Heard this since 2000. Still playing though :)

but a huge leap towards death as an esport title anyway :/

From my view that died with Q4 and finance crisis ~2007/08. From then I've seen Quake as a online based game which is all I personally need and enjoy. Should also be enough for 99% of the players that never go to lan anyway :)

I know I know quake will probably live through online for many years to come but for me discovering lans has been a real blast and I cant help but feel really frustrated about this decision :(

What we really need is the old school BYOC/LAN's back! With the option to 'rent' a quake ready PC/Monitor :)

A person/group of people organizing a venue for 50-100-200(or more if interest is there) people and plans this LAN (not EVENT) 6-12 months a head in smart location with 1v1,2v2,4v4 tournaments for a weekend. Only quake players and nothing else. I'm pretty sure that if you would get a majority of the community into this, you will automatically get sponsors interested... This way, the nubs, the average and the pros will get a full weekend with action, no matter how you do in the tournament, people would travel from far away to play/socialize and win.

These are the days that are forgotten by many, and unfortunately not experienced by most who have started playing after 2004. Perhaps I'm dreaming away, perhaps not, but this would be a good positive injection to our scattered scene today :)

lan support would be awesome

that's more or less what dreamhack is, and in 1 month we'll see how quake fails in it.

and QL doesn't have LAN support.

No, dreamhack is a event and 99.5% of the people there don't play quake. I mean something in terms of QLAN.

dreamhack started as a proper LAN and not a gaming event, and now it focuses on both things.
It will continue to exist if it stops hosting tournaments, but it would cease without BYOC.

and about a QL-LAN only. It won't happen, not only because id doesn't support it, but also because there aren't enough players. Sincerely, nowadays I can't see a LAN like that with more than 200 people in BYOC, and less than that means no sponsors.

That would be more than enough to start. I think you miss my point.

Sounds kinda like QHLAN...

Oh SHI-

Correct.

I have always thought this kind of setup is way more exciting than following the big LAN's which may have the pros.

I'd much rather focus on the community I'm apart of!

He means like the multiplay i-series LANs. It would be great to have some form of BYOC for Quake Live but until theres more functionality for LAN play it isnt going to happen :-(

QLAN2 was awesome!

I had a crappy 17crt at home, and borrowed a syncmaster 19crt there.
Bought one the hour I got home ^^

This

Actually that's about right, but even before then, at blizzcon in 2006, i witnessed a quake 3 booth that had 1 person playing , while everyone else was watching wc3 and cs matches.

Since 2000? Half a year after release? Sure dude ...

mid 96 late 97 late 99.

arn t we talking about QL/q3 ?? :l

Q2 players said that Q2 was dead 2000, Q3 players said Q3 was dead 2002 and so on .. :)

q2 will never die.

Quake will never die!

Under that rationale no game ever dies until absolutely noone left is playing it. Hell there's maybe only 1 or 2 people playing on fraglove.com so i guess that project is alive too amirite? lol dude

Take your pills.

get help fast

q4 they said its dead on release


and that was true ^^

umad that QL is as dead now as Q4 was in 2007?

I don't give a shit what everyone says about Quake Live, I find everything about it enjoyable and will play it till I die :>

well this is awkward.

haha
awesome

lol

Rofl :D.

egd

Haha, I just got fucking pwned! How embarrassing lol. Ya, I'm back playing again, what can you do.

i forgive you for the work that you do for me.

Well, I'm moving in with some quakers so I'll be able to help you again ;P

EDIT: Actually if you are still looking for some help with the website...

+ for taking it like a man. Many people would rage or cop out with some bs. Kudos.

damn right you did :)

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get moar bandwidth on your site bruh, wanna see what all the +'es were about.

Its a screenshot of a forum post where he said hes never going to play quake again :)

yeahh im upgrading it thanks for that :)

that post just killed your bandwidth limit.

when ins says it, it means the servers are down.

works here

had the same feeling after TDM-only DH announcement :( seems like the only one LAN duel event left is Quakecon, which hosting one time in a year => lack of motivation from duel players to play => duel finally drops out from Quakecon too => (the finest result of this) we have two TDM LANs with 2-3 favourite teams, which mercywinning the rest teams.

Duel is boring since always the same 4 people can actually win and the same 16 people are invited ...
at least with TDM (or CTF) we have some new lan players and more people are involved in a tournament ...

Well at least there are four different people. In tdm you got 1-2 teams on the same level and without noctis's team you know the outcome of this dhw already. With duel you are never sure whether rapha, cypher takes it and who makes an upset but according to you it's always the same Q.Q

4 Dudes randomly running around a map and winning the game solely trough aim... Why not watch CoD then?

Duel was always very entertaining even though the Top 3 was kind of the same since some time. But one small decision during a game and the Top 3 could have looked completely different.

TDM is boring to watch end of discussion.

i'm sorry, but good TDM is awesome to watch. Ever since ql and NO GTV (meaning no multiview) though, it's alot less fun to watch for sure.

agreed. ctf ftw \o/

It would be cool if more people were invited, and ctf had more of a presence at lan competitions, but even with 10,000 more good players there could easily just be 4 or 5 people with a realistic chance of winning. Look at tennis for example. Thousands of players and the same 3 or 4 at the top for years.

cause of dreamhack not having duel? ...yeah...

*Competitive Quake just died.

that already happened when iem and eswc dropped ql though

No, it was just put on life support then. The plug pulling has begun.

Quake will never die, once your hooked its in your blood and theres no escaping it.

When they finally switch Quake Live off we'll all go play Quake3 again i suspect.

*Quake 4

Only real game to go back to, really. GTR and GPM have pretty much made CPM obsolete, and Q4 was always more fun than Q3.

Only if id will release full source code of idTech4 SDK, which could be applied to Q4. Otherwise, it is technically not feasible.

Or you are trolling here p0rt-style?

I assume you've never played CTF or duel in Q4?

No. :) But I agree with you that Q4 has potential. As a former GTR developer, I only would like to say, that in order to uncover it, developers need to have full control over Q4 codebase - too many problems are hidden within the engine part of the Q4 which is not covered by SDK source.

Agreed, but that doesn't make the experience of playing Quake 4 all that bad. I think Quake 3 has a worse feel with high ping than Quake 4 does -- the antilag in CPMA and QL seem to mismatch what you see on the screen with what is actually happening on the server by a gross amount, while Q4 seems to attempt to compensate for that more in exchange for more "jitters" and less consistency. Never touched the SDK or know how to or anything like that, but just an observation.

they are releasing idtech4 before christmas, so says id at quakecon, except quakewars engine, they might not release q4 engine..

not real hard to make q3 models and put them in doom 3 and recode the whole sdk and make it work online

how many people it take to make gtr, 4 years and a fail the next day

Quake 4 was shit.

Translation: "I was shit at Quake 4."

It was shit, no matter how many times you attempt to troll me.

You are shit at games if you're shit at a high-skilled game like Quake 4, no matter how many times you accuse me of trolling.

Two months to think of a comeback and thats it? gtfo.

q3 > q4

Quite easily too!

online yea, on LAN, no.

it was shit :(

Wrong. 1.4 or 1.3 > Q3

i'll agree that 1.3 was better than q3. anything post 1.3 is progressively less fun. I played it for a long time and although the community was pretty fun, i would always go back to q3. Q2 > all tho!

Why is that? I never played.

in 1.3 the movement was awesome. the game was fast as hell. It slowed down during the next few updates.

You probably messed something up because 1.4.x are considerably faster than 1.3 ( hell there are even jumps you can fuck up because of it )

uh... no. movement sucks post 1.3. there are jumps you CAN'T hit in later release. It doesn't matter anyways. It's the only quake game that isn't installed on my computer.

Movements do suck post 1.3 because it's way too fast, yes.

well, ok man. I'm not here to argue. ( i know, i know... 'why am i even on ESR')

Well, unless you prove me wrong, I don't believe that in normal gameplay conditions you can reach faster speeds in 1.3 than in 1.4.2 ( is that enough of an opening?

nice try.

I'm genuinely concerned about that.

1.4.2 ... made q4 playable.

not for me it wasnt!

If it wasn't shit, people would still be playing it like Quake 3.

But they aren't.

I agree except that GTR is total shit and full of bugs. Q4Max is great though.

Amen. If I go rent a Q4 server (somehow), the mod is going to be q4max.

what other real choice is there?

GTR (apparently)

Maybe if you were terrible at Q3.

except, i already have. just waiting for the rest to come also :)

can't we all just go to fraglove? it's all centralised there.

surely all it needs is a rename (q3central (c) amjw) and integrated/embedded IRC and it's good to go :)

same thought and it came from our own hands (dh)

but tbh quake never dies

we should be glad that dh is still holding a quake tournament at all. thats good will from their part and not some profitable business move.
you can argue about the gamemode but one tournament with a limited prize money like that was never going to keep ql alive anyway

quake lives being killed by Ordus IP banning players for laughable reasons :) anyone got more than 2 accounts?

I have 3. :)

12
get@me

All active? If yes, then you are one hell of impersonator! :)

jajaja, just dont play on them. :D shit game cba

about 100 (had)

You should switch to cod then.

cu!

HAHA

good one

It's only dead on a pro level for some time now but for me personally it doesn't change my opinion about playing it. There is no reason for me to stop now as long as I have fun and with bundesliga and the occasional cup here and there my needs as a player are fulfilled (sounds kinda gay :x).

From a spectator's point it is quite disappointing but you could tell the outcome since the last iem final and with it the most retarded map pool in ql history. It's really sad as a close and decent duel never gets boring to watch. Well at least for me :P.

Imo duel fps has the biggest potential of all games and I hope it will make a return like painkiller. I just love it when two players battle it out on the highest level. Hopefully there will be a game in the future who gets both the attention and support from the publisher (somehing like bloodline champions)

"Imo duel fps has the biggest potential of all games and I hope it will make a return like painkiller. I just love it when two players battle it out on the highest level"

that is exactly why ql was chosen in so many lan tourneys, even though the player numbers didn’t support it. Duel is ql's edge. It is what makes this tiny community sit on top of other bigger games.

ql will not die, but that decision was certainly in the wrong direction. dh should had at least both, if they wanted tdm that desperately. That way duel could support tdm with its palyers and make the competition and the tdm tourney better.

i agree. one of the reasons that got me into quake was the 1v1 aspect. i've never seen 1v1 competitions for halo 3, cs, gears, cod, or any other fps that is/was being played since 2008.

Maybe for Portugal aye

I hope it stays down. I like VQ3 gameplay, but QuakeLive is the biggest piece of shit hack I've ever seen.

Maybe if all the events weren't invite only more people would play. I hate to sound like a broken record but there was lots of events I could have went to, had it of been an open event. But no, invite only seems to be what was popular for the last two years, and it's pure shit. Tons of players would love opportunities to play with pros on LAN, but barely anyone made it possible.

The only tournament that was open (recently) was UGC, and look what happened from that. Regular Quake players getting attention and a bit of fame. Why? Because it was the same people over, and over, and over in these tournaments.

That's one reason at least. "Look, don't touch" doesn't work for e-sports.

asterisk FOUR CAPITAL LETTERS asterisk

lol

good point

maybe we turned out to be the sideshow to every lan event. Like this lan has this and that tourney and also has 16 selected insanely skilled quake freaks to give a side performance, like a circus of mutants with special skills.

I would of went to, had it of been

You can't be serious ...

YEAAAAH BUDDDDDAY!!!

AINT NUTHIN' BUT PEEEEA NUUUUHT

LIGHT WEIGHT!

Anyone selling a ps2 +games? I need to catch up on the console shitz

actually I am. I assume you were being sarcastic though.

reaction of random russian guy

awesomeness.

nothing changed, one tournament doesn't alter the course this game is on, just prolongs the inevitable. great for duelers though. Enjoy it while it lasts.

agreed. this is just getting tired. sad to say, but it's the truth. Love the game, but it's time has gone

bla bla bla.

just hf

So you'd rather all the other people, who are not as jaded as you, be deprived of it?

play incubus for 6 months on us ctf servers having him stack teams against you leaving you in 2v5 situations 90% of the time halfway through the game with everyone scared to switch, and then we'll see who else is jaded. You really have no idea.

I'm not sure how that relates to my question. So because you have some douchebags screwing with noobs in US, i shouldn't be able to play QL? How does that work?

Enjoy it while it lasts.

This is the smartest thing I've seen you say in a long time, and exactly what I wish people would do. I'm so sick of hearing "Quake is dead, Quake is dying, why bother with a game with no future, etc. etc. etc.".


Who fucking cares? The answer to "why bother" is "because it's fun while it lasts".

(Not to mention that 'while it lasts' can be prolonged indefinitely if we all stop whining and just enjoy playing -- and watching -- some Quake.)

'while it lasts' can be prolonged indefinitely

That's not up to "us", that's up to zenimax/behtesda and by the sound of things they are ready to pull the plug, but we really don't need an announcement to know that based on the performance we've seen out of id in ql and now in rage. hf

see you in bf2

hf

Thanks, I will!

But I doubt I'll see you in BF2. If QL is closed down, I'll probably move to Q3/CPMA/Warsow.

You do seem to have ignored my main point though: why not just enjoy the game while it lasts? It's a game, it doesn't need a 'future' for playing it to be worthwhile. If it's enjoyable, go for it, who cares if it'll last forever. If it's not enjoyable, don't waste your time, regardless of whether the game has a future.

the only people enjoying the game are the top players. The middle tiers have ragequit (tier 3's) and the tier 2 players have been playing themselves for the most part,

Excuse me, but the fuck do you call alive?
3 or 4 "relevant" tournaments a year with the same 8 people going?
Most of the time said tournaments being invite only?
No way to play and train matches in your local netcafe like in the old times, going with your friends instead of the only way to play being alone in your boring ass bedroom, because id wouldn't allow proper offline support?
BF3 being about to be releasedin days, stealing (if there was any left) newbie that wanted to spend some time in QL?

Nope.

How many games have had 3-4 and more relevant tournaments for the past 10+ years?

Games that are worth calling "eSports" aka Starcraft.

yeah cuz bw was such a hit :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jen46qkZVNI

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/3775025643_29ecc99bd8.jpg
http://seoulspace.co.kr/wp-content/uploads/20...final.jpeg
http://www.helloliefje.com/wp-content/uploads...ium-kr.gif

wonder why all these pictures are from korea

What of it?

well bw was never as big outside of south korea as in south korea

Most games like Quake were never big anywhere.

It was bigger in europe than sc bw ever was.

SCBW was very big in Europe for quite a while, just as it was in the USA. It died in both just the same that Quake did. The difference is that Quake has had 3 games since then, and still managed to lose players, whereas SC2 is now the biggest esport game everywhere.

I know that sc2 is huge as Im playing it myself but scbw never really played a big role in europe (and I was talking about scbw and not sc2 hence I added the bw ;) ). It was certainly bigger in the states but nowhere near as big as ql for example. IEM events (Dubai, Europe, gamescom, America), 2*dreamhack, escw and asus. Scbw had one big tournament and that was the wcg who sold their soul to guitar hero and cell phone games :x

We all know that you dislike quake (or rather ql) and praise scbw but it never really played a big role in the west compared to other games like 1.6, wc3 and even ql/q3. That's the truth whether you like it or not.

SCBW used to be rather big in Europe - bigger than Quake. I don't know what makes you think otherwise. For a time, Europeans were worthy contenders at major international tournaments like WCG. If it wasn't for the huge competition and skill increase in Korea, and a lack of reason to devote that much time by other nations, it probably would have continued to grow at a slow pace.

So tell me how many big and noticable events had scbw in their lineup besides wcg in the past ;). I can't recall that many and if you compare it to the mentioned games you should accept the fact that scbw never played the same role as those games in the west.

CPL - 1.6, quake
ESWC - 1.6, quake, wc3
ESL - wc3, 1.6 and ql in the end

These are/were the most prestigious tournaments.
I could add wsvg and cgs but imo they didn't play a big role in the west compared to those above.

SCBW had less big tournaments in the west, but it was equally a popular game as Quake. SCBW has been in ESWC, as well. Both ESWC and CPL were pretty much scams, though.

Quake had 3 more games, make it even two dosen more games with mods included, which brought in more players to competitive gaming than most other titles combined. Or are you overlooking the fact that things pretty much got hot when quake arrived and made playing over internet a valid gaming experience.

Your dislike is understood, but still i'd not as far as to trash a whole title based on my dislike for sc.

I respect sc players as peer gamers and value the hype it created with a great ladder system and competitive gaming in general.

You really should try to do the same if not for the courtesy of mutual respect then at least not over troll yourself into constant ignoring by everyone :)

What? Actual internet play was big since QW. Starcraft came out before Q3, was wildly popular as an internet game, and has sold more than 10 million copies. The competitive activity you are referring to around the release of Q3 was due to CS, which came out the same year.

I get that you want to defend Q3, but you can't rewrite history.

Definitely not defending Q3, but you are grossly misusing Quake as term tied to the whole series, and Quake as per game title.

And since you have stated that quake had 3 more titles since, that would place your statement around q2 times. Or q3 if you are going on ET:QW as title in the series

Also if you are talking about the complete series, like it seems from what you are writing, then I don't really know of any other game that had more impact overall.

Definitely not defending Q3, but you are grossly misusing Quake as term tied to the whole series, and Quake as per game title.

And since you have stated that quake had 3 more titles since, that would place your statement around q2 times. Or q3 if you are going on ET:QW as title in the series

What? Where did I say this? No Quake game has even sold 1 million copies since Quake 2, which arguably only sold on the merits of QW. Internet play was revolutionized during the time of QW, with the competitive boom you talked about happening around CS.

Also if you are talking about the complete series, like it seems from what you are writing, then I don't really know of any other game that had more impact overall.

I wasn't, but that wouldn't be right anyway. You give credit to Q3 for things that can be attributed to CS and QW.

still refusing to understand - I am talking about Quake as series

I know on what my premises are based. Also I know I'm not kicking about with SC, SC:BW, or SC2 or players playing those games.

You on the other hand are kicking about with every single title in Quake SERIES and players playing it and enjoying it.
Which is your right to do, but still unpleasant and sad at the same time :)

on the where di I say this part:

SCBW used to be rather big in Europe - bigger than Quake.

This is quote from - http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2173396#pid2173396

SCBW was very big in Europe for quite a while, just as it was in the USA. It died in both just the same that Quake did. The difference is that Quake has had 3 games since then, and still managed to lose players, whereas SC2 is now the biggest esport game everywhere.

This is a quote from - http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2173369#pid2173369

SCBW had less big tournaments in the west, but it was equally a popular game as Quake.

This is a quote from - http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2173447#pid2173447

All I said was, the people that started with any of the quake series titles then moved on or switched due to lack of care provided by the game developer are still people that got hooked and into esports and competitive gaming through quake. Which since there are still active communities of QW, Q2, Q3(dozen mods), Q4(not so hot), ET:QW (not hot also), QL is a lot of people. Even people that turned to BF series, CS, ET COD over the years. That only tells us a few things.

Blizzard is a major and smart game developer which takes care of it's community and gamers in general, they understand and know how to take care of their product making it the number one RTS and a competitive gaming platform.

Id on the other hand screws up most of the afore mentioned stuff yet somehow had the luck to make arguably one of the best online competitive FPS games that still has a small community per title of the game, yet brought in competitive and online gaming and started trends that we see now in it.

Give credit where it's due.

All I said was, the people that started with any of the quake series titles then moved on or switched due to lack of care provided by the game developer are still people that got hooked and into esports and competitive gaming through quake.

So, are you now talking about all of Quake, or about Quake 3? If you're saying all of Quake, competitive gaming (outside of Korea) wasn't big until CS - dunno how you can try to attribute it otherwise.

Which since there are still active communities of QW, Q2, Q3(dozen mods), Q4(not so hot), ET:QW (not hot also), QL is a lot of people.

All of those games are dead. All of those games combined would still be dead.

Give credit where it's due.

Credit as a game has nothing to do with credit for its accomplishments. QW was the only quake to really push the boundary of gaming - 3 dimensions, and internet play. Quake 3 was just Quake 2 without singleplayer, terrible sales, and a delusional community.

If I say any of the quake series titles, that would for sure mean that I'm talking about Quake. Not Quake 3, well read.

Outside of Korea means "the whole world", and since quake had jump start with QW ... competitive gaming was all the blast even before cs :)

Also ... you are again trash talking a whole community, while spending time on this forum which is in many ways tied to that delusional as you call it Quake3 community, which is counterproductive in any way humanly imaginable.

It's due to every single gamer that is passionate about gaming and the game they play. Which is something you will never understand while trolling your way :)

gl hf

Outside of Korea means "the whole world", and since quake had jump start with QW ... competitive gaming was all the blast even before cs :)

Competitive gaming didn't get serious until after CS.

Also ... you are again trash talking a whole community, while spending time on this forum which is in many ways tied to that delusional as you call it Quake3 community, which is counterproductive in any way humanly imaginable.

This is not a Quake site.

It's due to every single gamer that is passionate about gaming and the game they play. Which is something you will never understand while trolling your way :)

You can be passionate about the game, and you can express your love for the game, but don't try to lie about the game to take credit for the accomplishments of other games.

I'm not lying about this game. It is a good game for me and I continue to play it, as many other I have feelings and thoughts on how it can be improved, but i'm not delusional about time invested or the state this game is in, or about parts of its community.

What you seem to forget is:

This is a gaming site, which majors quake news .. on the other hand from all the forum available this one is titled QL, it holds a topic named:
edit: QUAKE WILL SHINE ONCE AGAIN

in which I'm telling you:

Also ... you are again trash talking a whole community, while spending time on this forum which is in many ways tied to that delusional as you call it Quake3 community, which is counterproductive in any way humanly imaginable.

Which is true since you are here, and you are debating and trying to catch anyone and have some sort of argued discussion about how Quake in general with occasional exception of QW sucks, people playing it suck, and anyone thinking about it in any way other than your own suck.

Collect your brain and leave if not interested in showing basic, or decent amount of respect towards other people. and game they love and play.

Think about it ....

Which is true since you are here, and you are debating and trying to catch anyone and have some sort of argued discussion about how Quake in general with occasional exception of QW sucks, people playing it suck, and anyone thinking about it in any way other than your own suck.

Straw man. I didn't say that they suck, I said that they did not have the accomplishments that you tried to attribute to them.

Objectivity is obscured by the love for the game, agreed. Yet if we were to examine, everything you ever wrote about numbers, and accomplishments of CS, or SC, or SC2 to date. We might find that there are some errors in judgement.
But that is something only an ass of a person would do because it lacks any sort of respect towards your passion tied to a game title.

On another note, if you went and examined your posts tied to trying to break delusions of gamers on this forum (QL forum to be exact) you might still find error in judgement and arguments based purely on your personal dislike for the title (exception of QW) and it's community.

That all really doesn't explain this: Why are you doing this, and why are you still writing here? Other than to show disrespect for the title and its gamers, or maybe show your dislike of this community which is point taken and you should move along.

think about it ....

Rather than making baseless accusations, why not defend your position with some concrete evidence?

Why are you doing this, and why are you still writing here?

This is not a Quake site.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=about

all i'm accusing you off if harrasing people, and disrespecting the game on which forum you are wirting on. and that's saying it, when you read this and answer you'll be writing on a Quake Live forum.

If you can't handle that I didn't once say you shouldn't write on esreality forum, or on sc forum, or on sc2 forum or any other forum. That is your problem, not mine :)

On another note, even if you were to write on any other concrete game forum like quake2, quake 3 arena, UT, sc, sc2. You would still be obliged to either troll away or have some decency and show some respect.

Since you are clearly unable to do that, and refuse to take a point into consideration just go ahead and troll away. At least, by doing that consistently you are proving your lack of respect for games you are arguing against and lack of respect for people you are communicating with.

(you can tone it down, we already know you dislike it, and disrespect players who play.)

Reread the thread. Once again, you are trying to attack me, rather than trying to defend your position. If you have respect for the game, you need to be honest about both the accomplishments, and the failures. I have respect for Quake 3 as a game, but no respect for it as far as accomplishments. You have no respect for the game, or for discussion, as you can do nothing but lie and dance around the issue. You're a fanboy, which is even worse than if you were a troll.

I'll stipulate that I'm a fan boy. But there is nothing proving that trolling like you do here, and me at least not going elsewhere and kicking about with games other people play is worse.

I'm not even attacking you. Calling you a troll is merely stating a fact.
Just like you writing on QL forum is a fact.
Just like you writing nothing constructive, and hiding behind realism covering up an attitude of running down people getting them to try and argue or quit or making them dislike a game even more is a fact.

Just like you not caring about the game (which you said bunch of time) is a fact.
Just like you not even playing the game, but having something to say about it is a fact.

You see, I maybe a fan boy. But I sure as hell deserve a right to either hold this game to the sky, because I pay for it, and I play it, or critique it.

I'm not a fan boy of other games, I don't pay for them, and I don't play them.
But I sure as hell wouldn't be caught with my pants down running around other games forums and telling anyone anything that is relevant to their game. This is not that a general type discussion about basics of team play etc wouldn't be out of my reach.

I'm not even attacking you. Calling you a troll is merely stating a fact.

You call me a troll because you don't want to address the actual issue. You Have no argument, and it is your cop out.

You see, I maybe a fan boy. But I sure as hell deserve a right to either hold this game to the sky, because I pay for it, and I play it, or critique it.

You have a right to say whatever you want, just as I have a right to correct you when you lie about history.

But I sure as hell wouldn't be caught with my pants down running around other games forums and telling anyone anything that is relevant to their game.

So why are you lying about CS and SC? Why are you trying to take credit for the success of other games? Are you actually ever going to defend your view points, or just fill your posts with ad hominem and straw man attacks?

I my earlier post i conluded the next:
Quake since its start with QW and success with internet play brought in most of online competitive gamers in then most other titles combined.

That is said based on next train of thought however it might be wrong:
QW, Q2, Q3A, Q3A CPM, Q3A OSP, dozen more Q3A mods, Q4, 3-4 more Q4 mods, ET:QW, QL
If you look at how many titles since the first actual Quake there is, and that there is a quake for each most of generations of gamers that started with quake but then moved on to other games like COD, HALO, TF2, CS, SC ...

Since either you or me can't have the real number on this, as there isn't really a survey covering this topic. I argue that this can be true, you will argue that this isn't. Also I didn't say that it brought more then SC since SC brought a whole country in.
I said most other titles. So I didn't even say a thing about your beloved fan boyism game.

Agree to disagree. As I said I'm a fan boy of Quake, you aren't.

With that explained since you refuse to understand it yourself.

Let's now turn to:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2173356#pid2173356 -
Here you think you are stating a fact about a game on which forum you are. But it's really similar to crashing a wedding party calling the bride a slut and groom a homosexually inclined man.

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Now this is interesting, you tone down on the quake hate - but it's only to express on how SC2 is superior to any of Quake game sequels guys on this forum and other forums related to quake are wasting their time on.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2173396#pid2173396 -
Now this is another one where you are now considering and stating that SCBW was even bigger then quake and it was as you've put it very popular but no where near as SC2.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2173447#pid2173447 -
Here comes the crown, you tone it down a bit. But still manage to run down and sink tournaments that made quake almost as popular as your pointed out game.

Now from these post I noted:
You are grossly misusing QUAKE as term - since I hope that you wanted to compare certain Quake game titles like q3a or q2 but not the whole game series. Since if you'd do that, then my argument from above with Quake as a game which originated the internet play should deserve more respect even by a merely troll like you.

I noted that you came to Quakelive forum on esr only to troll and are masking but still shining out your dislike for the game, disrespect towards the forum users, and quake players.

Arguments aside - which are many - you just troll away ...

Since either you or me can't have the real number on this, as there isn't really a survey covering this topic.

This is where your post should have ended. The entirety of your position is without any supporting info at all. Competitive gaming got big around 1999, and while you have the obviously successful CS to attribute this to, you have decided to attribute it to the absolute failure that is Q3.

You need to learn to troll, or learn to defend your position - you're terrible at both.

Man what is unclear about my statements that I'm NOT attributing anything to Quake 3

or

I'm not defending Quake 3 as a game or it's demise, or it's failure.

Learn to read man. Don't know whether I should waste letters on you :)

Now that we established that I'm NOT defending Q3, or that I'm NOT attributing popularity of competitive online gaming to it. Will you move along on a forum of any other game. And stop trolling here?
Stop attacking this particular game, and stop arguing with people that love and play it?

Depends on your next answer.

think about it ....
(try reading it first - anyone can take a part of sentence and quote it.)

oh, i think this convo is giving me a raging clue

hahahhahaha

Now that we established that I'm NOT defending Q3, or that I'm NOT attributing popularity of competitive online gaming to it. Will you move along on a forum of any other game. And stop trolling here?
Stop attacking this particular game, and stop arguing with people that love and play it?

I'm not attacking the game, I'm setting the record straight. You are lying about the record, and attempting to troll. Now that you admitted that you have absolutely nothing to back up your statements, what are you still doing here?

I'm playing it :) how about you?

And another thing while we're at it. You said with absolute certainty your statement about Quake being less popular than this, and less popular than that. To which no one really asked you yet:
Give me the numbers, unless you give them, about each and every one of those statements, then they do not stand as such.
I want real figures verifiable by 3 independent sources?

Unless you're trolling, right?

At least I have respect and decency to say: Hey I think it's like this, but I could be wrong. And if I'm wrong, it's ok, we're all human/trolls here.

Which numbers would you like?

Numbers stating the popularity of each and every title parallel to that periods Quake title. Including the numbers of offset users that came into other games and originated from any and all Quake titles consecutive, ever. Also records and number to what tournament at which period, considering all the covered titles, showed ups and downs in popularity per title, per cumulative online user base popularity etc.

Now give them, or you are just stating opinions just like everyone else. But you are disrespectful and arrogant at it!

Numbers stating the popularity of each and every title parallel to that periods Quake title.

Which Quake title? Are you arguing for all of Quake, or just Quake 3? I have to assume that you're not talking about all Quakes, since competition didn't start until around 1999.

Including the numbers of offset users that came into other games and originated from any and all Quake titles consecutive, ever.

That was your argument, not mine.

Which numbers would you like?

You asked ... now provide!

I asked which numbers you would like. Provide which numbers?

and I told you which numbers to provide .. so what's the problem?

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Registered: 10 Jan 2010

How the fuck does one manage to get into such a painfully long " argument " with vedic after all that time spent on esr ?

Oh that's nothing, you should see some of the other threads... you can't win against vedic, yet in this case, he's right, only questionable thing is the numbers but we'll find out ishortly just how dead ql really is. Waiting on the latest google trends #'s. (updated every 3 months)
http://trends.google.com/websites?q=quakelive.com&sa=N

Should be updated within the next couple weeks.

p.s: also damaging is the fact that esreality.com used to be the most visited secondary website to quakelive.com ("also visited"), now it's not even in the top 10 :o

It used to be updated every month.

Alexa?

I beat him all the time...

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf (Clickable.swf)

time after time...

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2179036#pid2179036

You won't ever find a less pathetic and clear cut insight how he operates than the Romero thread.

Quake will never die. It will live through us ;)

QUAKE IS DEAD

it's the slipgate report, now

*lol*

quake will shine again in 2034. just be patient.

without anticheat, slow site,no ladders, shit tiersystem, shitty development ( only 3-4 guys working on it LOOOOL) and lot of other things


QL WILL SHINE OUT OF MY ASS AGAIN !!

pls guys stop dreaming and be a little bit realistic , with this development tempo this game is doomed to fail.

( only 3-4 guys working on it

wrong. There's only 1 person (sponge) working on quake live with syncerror mapping on the side. What made you think the team was so big :) Ordus only answers emails, he doesn't count.

Think 3rd party is always the best way to go with Quake titles.

QLRanks
QLPrism
#tdmpickup
#playquake

ESL versus - with wire AC

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&...pid2142340

Quake Live development team in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6hmgTY76M&feature=relmfu

Quake 4 will never di... oh, wait... !E!

Well according to sk4ut, quake's glory days are coming soon...

Q U A K E
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id will die with it's 4 year developing time. No one wants to wait such a long time for a game that will we crappy and have obsolete design in a premiere day. Bethesda will shut it down soon i believe so do not expect another quake ;). "I am talking it"

i used to think that too but the zenimax conglomerate seems completely unaware of ql's failures. They've been so preoccupied with rage that they just have no idea how badly this game has failed. But i also believe it's possible they don't care anymore. I'm almost 100% certain the only reason its' not shut down yet is todd hollenshead. I really wish he'd let go of the past, it's time for a more modern fps shooter than can compete with the cods/bf3/cs/tf2/etc games of today. Quake is no longer the "latest and the greatest", which many people forgot is the reason they started playing quake in the first place. The quake equivalent of today compared to the 90's was duke nukem and doom both of which had worse graphics compared to quake. Quake 4 failed which proves, nothing id does to quake (giving it fancy graphics, etc) will make it popular again. As it stands now Todd is actually handicapping both rage and quake live and any future titles at the moment by not dedicating his already small team on one project instead of stealing resources from one game and moving it to another simulateous project. Again, bad management/decisions continue to plague id.

Agreed about the starting point and reasons to start playing a game.
But as with my current dispute with vedic, many players have already started and played either QW or Q2 or Q3 or Q4 then moved to other games. Many returned to QL only to leave again. But since the number that vedic or me can't possibly provide are vague at best and could be argued either way the next is viable....

Quake is now something of a standardized platform when it comes to a type of competitive FPS games.
Now why switch that up, instead of focusing and making it more viable as platform?
I know we all say it's dying ... but it's supported on few big lan tournaments. It still has NA and EU online tournaments running every weekend, and has already been improved an tampered with by the community which shows interest.

If he cares about the game, maybe more focus on it would be better than dropping the whole title.

well after 3 years it's kind of hard to believe the zenimax conglomerate will get serious about this game. The problem is with perception, marketing, management and upkeep.

1. The perception that ql is q3 repackaged hasn't gone away
2. There is no marketing team for ql, as such, few know about it
3. Management decisions that don't coincide with priorities (community requested features) and generally bad decisions in regards to #4.
4. No upkeep:. 4a: New players come and go with little effort on id's part to keep them playing. 4b: Servers go down sporatically, no backup servers in place for those situations. 4c: Accounts. 1000's of accounts lay unused, 1000's of accounts get abused and 1000's of accounts are abandoned all with no upkeep.

also

5. Quake Live as a platform has long past. Quake used to be the upgraded fps of duke nukem/doom. It has failed, however, in the years since to be that shining beacon on a hill. Rage was a honest attempt, but it fell short. There's no wow factor in quake (the blood/gibs in q3 was).
6. The ql population continues to decrease, regardless of what anyone has said or done, nothing is stopping it. And it's dropping fast......
http://trends.google.com/websites?q=quakelive...amp;sort=0
.....and so too has the interest
http://trends.google.com/trends?q=quake+live&sa=N
7. Key features are missing. People come to expect ladders/global ingame chat/contests/modding community/skill progression, from games. Quake Live does not hold up to those standards.
8. No centralized community. It's fragmented to bits here and on 100's of clan forums around the net. That's what happens when you don't introduce clan features into a game allowing people to communicate like with blizzard's battle.net, which is still going strong due to it's inclusion.
9. Current features lay unused. From cvars, to modes. I could give reasons, but it is what it is. eg: no incentives to use them.
10. Lastly, and ive said it a million times: NO ANTICHEAT. In an age where almost every single game is riddled with cheats, not having some form of protection to stop the most obvious hackers is laughable and totally illegitimizes this game. But this is what we've come to expect from syncerror who said "it's not about fair"
http://imageshack.us/f/846/outoftouchdevs.jpg/

You can also see from that irc screenshot how out of touch the developers are (sponge), who maybe plays once a month and doens't realize, that on u.s ctf servers (for example) everyone already knows who can beat who because 1) they can gauge a players ability in warmup (strafing, aim) if on an alt account and 2) everyone knows everyone by now. Plus stacking is an art in ctf so it's expected now adays.

And lastly,

11) subscriptions: 11a: it split the userbase. 11b: they limited payment options and 11c: they are being marketed as a means to escape public servers.
http://imageshack.us/f/810/diplodokmarketinpremium.jpg/

lam = diplodok in disguise

This kind of advertising only sets people off as it doesn't take long for them to come back to the ql forums to complain that they were conned into subscribing.

So in conclusion, there were simply too many mistakes made, and not enough people willing to step up to correct those mistakes. Now ql is being left to rott and frankly, it should. It should be a warning lesson to the zenimax conglomerate, that if you don't put in the time and effort to follow up on your investments that you will lose out on capitol and future sales.

people expect a modding community??
Would you mind explaining to me which games have modding communities?
Largest multiplayer games are SC, WoW, LoL (etc). I don't see mods.

seriously?
http://sc2.nibbits.com/maps/
http://www.sc2mapster.com/
http://sc2armory.com/forums

and uh... warcraft 3
http://www.wc3c.net/resources.php?f=654
http://www.epicwar.com/maps/
http://war3.incgamers.com/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps.php

and thats just in regards to maps.

there's also models, skins, spells, tools, art

Ther'es many things a modding community is comprised of. What can anyone mod in ql (besides a map they can create in gradient to play in practice mode) ? They'd have to go back to q3 if they want to play their new map with cool models,etc with friends.

As far as complete modifications to the game ...

wc3
http://www.moddb.com/games/warcraft-iii/mods

sc2
http://www.moddb.com/games/starcraft-ii/mods

and here's 4,000 more mods for first person shooters. let me know when you find one for ql ( that you can play with your friends in public games)
http://www.moddb.com/mods?filter=t&kw=Sea...&type=

There's a reason games like wc3 are still as popular now as they were years ago. Because of a modding community. People love creating resources for the game they love. And most developers these days give people tools to do just that. One of most advertised games was based almost entirely of that concept: Spore.
http://www.spore.com/ftl

and games like

The concept isn't new either. Nintendo already recognized it early on with games like wrecking crew on the nes, sim city,actaiser, populous on the snes, etc etc

Pirates of the burning sea is one of the most successful in that regard as a ton of community made content was allowed into the game, each personalized by the original modder.
http://www.burningsea.com/forums/

And as such, they have one of the most robust, friendly communities of any game, to date.

now just think how much more popular quake live could have been if people could have had a chance to recreate what they made in q3 for ql, even if for no other reason than to enhance ql for the developers. it would have made a HUGE difference. Because simply put, people get bored playing the same game over and over again. That is the #1 reason id keeps having to add new content. in doing so, many things high on the priority ladder get neglected because the vast majority is spent on obtaining the rights to old maps, creating new maps. And they are no longer taking community made maps...

Yes seriously.
maps aren't mods Oo?
models/skins... is somewhere between a mod and a gimmick...

I didn't know that WC3 and SC2 had that many mods though, so that's failure from my side :)

But well the reason why QL can't have mods is simply because theres no infrastructure to support it. If they would allow mods then they have to allow people to host their own servers and if they do that then you can 'remove the adds' which would give ID money (at least that was the plan dunno how well that worked out). Or they will be forced to install 3rd party (modders) software on the computers (where software in this case might just only be maps / skins but also executables in some cases).

maps aren't mods Oo?

duh, but i said;

and that's just in regard to maps..

plus we're talking about the entire modding community so you took that word out of context but yes, there are a shitload of mods for wc3 and sc2 and the overall modding community for both games are huge and has been since either games have been released.

and yes it's a lose/lose scenario for id at this point, they need the money for ads to keep the game up, but they need the direct support of the community to keep the game up. We've been stuck in limbo for at least 8 months now and it will remain that way till the something gives way to change.

There was a small glimmer of hope that community made content would help expedite the process of attaining the rights to said maps allowing it to be released to the community in a timely manner but....., for whatever reason that ideal has been stalled in favor of more maps from sync and citty? Really curious about the first real update next year, could pretty much decide the game for the rest of the calendar year. We certainly can't expect much for christmas other than the reintroduction of winters edge and silent night. One week to go for that update by the sound of it.

you summed it up ray.

I can't im because i'm censored on these forums. but I'll stop posting now. email this post to john carmack and todd hillensbrad or whoever.


that screen shot u posted with sponge and syncerror is pretty telling and exposing dude. wow. WOW. Confirms all my suspicions man.

Talk about a bunch of closet map makers who are completely out of touch. This veteran community and ID just refuse to believe certain issues even in exist. stubborn to the point of being dangerous.


but at least quakelive was not a success thank god. due to its lack of integrity. So if there is no hope in ID at least there is hope in the human race, because they were not as stupid as ID thought.

that screen shot u posted with sponge and syncerror is pretty telling and exposing dude. wow. WOW. Confirms all my suspicions man.

What it really does is, it shows his ability to negate the facts of an issue. The whole problem with CTF is not necessarily with the fact that people stack/slum. It's because they CAN.

There's no autobalance (an issue you speak of frequently). People can switch at any point in the game. In other words, Syncerror always boasts that shuffle is the answer and if people don't shuffle then the better team deserves to win. But even if its' shuffled correctly. 3 people can hop over to the other taem before the game starting countdown clock ends to the other team leaving it 6v3 or worse. He knows what the issues in CTF are, he's simply pretending not to know.

The bigger issue lies with the fact that he wants stackers/slummers/cheaters to run amock on pub servers. I've seen sponge say "who cares about pubs". His own words on irc. They are hoping people get frustrated enough to buy pro to escape the aholes.

Problem is, and this is where sync and sponge may truly be in the dark, most people play casually,perhaps a couple times a week. In other words, they don't have any incentive to buy pro. They're not in clans and don't have many friends on their list.. Furthermore, they'd always have to return back to pub servers to replace their non-active friends or they'd have noone to play with on premium servers after 3 months.

As i keep saying, there are so many issues with ql and none of them seem to be adressed. Instead we get new maps and some bugfixes which does absolutely nothing to keep people interested in ql. I understand the reasoning however, as they are simply "trying" to fulfill the promise they gave subscribers a year ago, but it's not enough. And without new developers this trend will continue. They could have gotten more subscribers if they took the time to communicate with the community to find out what people truly wanted instead of going it alone.

I used to spell Quake Qauke because I'm German and stupid.

german ERGO stupid?

Man. Someone should make a better version of "If Quake was done today" to advertise QL. That video got like 900000 hits.

If it was made better, with a focus on QL and quipping with the best of all (ever) Q3 frags, and showcasing other modern FPS's as "slow" and "unskilled" in comparison, it could deffo go superviral, maybe?

Maybe riddle it with memes too. And stuff like minecraft. loll. 10 millianz hitz ezy.

that sounds like syncerror's job.

wonder how hard it is to make a viral video..