good groups imo

k1llsen aint belgian btw, wrong flag there

nah, just like the german team in the worldcup, none of the players are actually from germany :P

well lets see..
man of the match vs. eng - müller
number 10 and very heart of the team - schweinsteiger
team captain - lahm
chief of defense with an outstanding performance so far - friedrich
nominated for GK of the year 2008 with the age of 23 - neuer
.. and so on

but of course youre refering to our multicultural players, like özil & khedira.. oh wait, they were also born in germany, trained by german teams and won the u21 wm

pointless troll is pointless :/

Don't waste your breath. Everybody knows the dutch are racists.

He is from Holland.. just like me btw, but have you ever taken a look at the dutch team?
kevz is ignorant or a troll :)

lets see..

Germany 2-2 England

Poland 2-0 England

=

4-2

-

1 (fucking referee)

=

4-1

Gz

isn't it a bit sad that your national pride comes from players that were trained in Germany and chose to play for the German side instead or your own? ;)

nah, i think you are just stealing a real talents from countries like poland, turkey etc, cause you don't have any in your own country...

ouches

that's what germany does. forcing families from other countries to migrate, genetically enhance their children right after birth, and then claim they're all-german talents.

Nobody is "stealing" any talent, players are free to choose which country they want to play for (see Kevin Prince Boateng and Jerome Boateng, one chose Ghana one picked Germany).

is this your man?

Awww yeah

ahah :D

\o/

so you are basically saying your coaches are too bad to recognizing talent when it's living right beside them?

That isn't helping your position at all, you know? ;)

to be honest, i remember when germany was matthaus, hassler, klinsmann, kopke, brehme, voller, bierhoff....

nowadays it's podolski, miroslav klose, fucking CACAU, OZIL, marin...BOATENG for fucks sake...

strange.

Oh come on and today it's Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Mertesacker, Friedrich, Müller, Neuer, Marin, Badstuber,Jansen, Kroos, (Ballack)...

also as the center of immigration in Europe of course foreign sounding names will appear sooner or later :)

Hehe, why you mentioned Marin? ^^

strange how there were no poles / turks / ghanaians whatsoever in the times of players i mentioned before.
especially not in the first 11.

and your main players are pole-pole-turk + maybe 1 german. the rest is just keeping up.

Please, the biggest names are 1. Lahm, 2. Schweinsteiger, 3. Özil, 4. Müller, in this cup. Thats 3 german names out of 4.

Also, Germany is an immigration country, like most rich countries in Europe, you should know as there are lots of croats in Germany. Klasnic was a german as well, but not good enough for the german team so he chose Hrvatska.

Like people have written here, all these players with foreign names are either born in Germany or moved there before the age of 4, meaning that a big part of their culture, attitude and most of all football is german. It's not like Özil was taught how to play in a turkish club, not as if he didn't go to school in Germany.

Ibrahimovic isn't a swede now despite his Malmö accent?

Only idiots criticise immigration in this regard, it would be a lot more appropriate for people in for instance Croatia to be thankful to countries like Germany, Switzerland or Holland to accept a large number of their own and let them and coming generations live better lives than the horrible situations in the countries they escaped from. Part of that is also to accept that the kids while having foregin names are, and for immigration to work should be, culturally closer to their countries than that of their parents. Everything else is plenty sentimental and nostalgic and leads to problems.

only idiots point to immigration as a problem here.

i don't give a fuck if 8 cacaus and 2 ozils win gold on the WC for Germany. 3rd and last time, in the times of "german" legends, there was no room for poland ghana bosnia turkey etc.

but nowadays the german league is crap, there are no more german superstars as it used to be, and klose, podolski, and ozil run things.

muller is solid, but nothing special. i've seen him in the CL finals, he ruined the day for bayern.

TBH I really don't understand why Germany gets flamed for having people in their team with different ethnic backgrounds.
First of all every western european country has a lot of people living in their countries from different ethnic backgrounds. A lot of people coming from their former colonies and people that came after WWII to work in Western Europe.

When you look at Holland/France and England they have used players from different ethnic backgrounds since the 80's.
So shouldn't you all be whining about these countries too?

Imo it's all bullshit. These people grew up in Germany so their are germans.

TBH I really don't understand why Germany gets flamed for having people in their team with different ethnic backgrounds.

not sure if it's really flaming. I have the feeling many just want a share of the fame, in a very weird way.

I think one of the reasons is that football has become a bit less popular for the Germans, whose families come from here. There are money other sports to choose from by now. It is more popular among the immigrants, maybe even because it is a good way to make friends when you are new.

In any case, all of the national players bar Cacau spend the majority of their life here and got their education in football here. So, in a way one could argue that if they started for the country they or their parents once came from, that they just "used" the German youth coaches.
Would be just as dumb as the other argument, though. Cause then yoiu would be arguing about not letting them start for either country which really can't be the goal.

It is more popular among the immigrants, maybe even because it is a good way to make friends when you are new.

there. that's it.


anyway, you can't really believe that there were no immigrants before. look at germany 1970-1998 for example. those were the best german days in terms of football. and all of the players were germans, not poles or turks or whatever. ghana bosnia lol. the difference is - germany had their own talent in those days.

you have SOME talent now, but the turks/poles are better.

when players like matthaus, hassler or klinsmann don't pop up anymore, poles and turks are in charge. and i'm not arguing about them not living in germany or whatever. just stating that germany had poles and turks before, but they couldn't come close to the first 11 cause GERMANS were better. a lot better.

there were no poles, because back the Iron curtain was still up.
Immigrants from Ex-Jugoslavia came en masse during the wars, before there were only some.

There were quite a few Turks, yes. But they usually have very strong ties to their home country (which is ver acceptable!). In most cases, they would have to be born, raised and trained here to even consider playing for Germany.* Özil is the only German/Turk good enough and willing to play here.
So, they parents would have had to move here, which means they would have had to do so in 1960 for their sons to be old enough in 1980.

Same goes for many other immigrants. Who the fuck would want to move here right after the war?

As for us not having the talent anymore: If players like Kroos and Müller continue their progress they can reach Mathäus' level. Lahm is already great. So is Schweinsteiger. Kiessling just needs a breakthrough on international level.







*The Altinitop siblings decided against it, even then. (Might not have been selected anyways...)

Germany was best in 1970-1998?

Total misconception and ignorance reagrding the results:
2002 - world cup final
2006 - world cup semifinal
2008 - european championships final

Thats as constantly great as german football has ever been.

And I don't understand your argumentation when it comes to poles/turks, to me it is a very balkan way of thinking, i.e. the only people I usually see discussing this way are serbs or croats.
A reason is probably that you don't have any immigration because of a lack of attractivity. Not that the croatian landscape isn't beautiful, it is, but the balkan is still poor.

All these kids growing up in Germany or Switzerland, often being born there, are not poles or turks, but the children of immigrants. The kids are citizens of the country they grow up in and often dont even speak the language of the parents.

I know that you balkan people are a little behind in this regard and think of bloodlines, but someday you migh get there as well...

2002 - world cup final
2006 - world cup semifinal
2008 - european championships final

pinnacle of german football. 3 tournaments of winning nothing.


i've read the word "balkan" somewhere down there, now i physically can't consider you serious/bright. sorry. cheers.

Does it mean that Fox should rename in GER^Fox ?

'72 until '80.

Easy.


There also was no Worldcup in '78 in case you are wondering.

Not the germans fault if the poles don't recognize talent.

"In late 2003, after several impressive performances in his first few Bundesliga games, Polish media suggested then-Polish national team coach Paweł Janas to check Podolski out, as he was still eligible to play for Poland. Janas ignored the request stating in one of the press interviews that "as for today we have much better strikers in Poland and I don't see a reason to call up a player just because he played one or two good matches in the Bundesliga. He's not even a regular starter at his club.""

And neither is it Germanys fault if people from other countries come here to work and live a better life :)

just wait 20 years then look at england's squad...40% polish

Dude we have MÜLLER

plz stfu if you dont have a clue about this team.

pointless troll is pointless

rage.

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH good reply

Quote:

"That's a debate out of envy, nothing else.

5 out of 23 weren't born in Germany. (e.g. Portugal got 7/23 and there are many more national teams to name)

Podolski, Klose (even an etnical german), Trochowski and Marin moved to Germany at a very young age. They grew up in Germany, got the german mentality and only the german passport, speak only german fluently, learned playing football here and passed any german national youth team. What else should they be than Germans?

Cacau is the only debatable case. His situation was special. When he requested the German citizenship he was as far away from the national team as me atm. Cacau just wanted to spend the rest of his life in Germany and felt like a German. So he went to the aliens department like every normal person, passed the citizenship test, etc. Cacau suddenly rose like a phoenix 2 years later and received an invitation to the national team. Nothing bad about it?!

There was not even one player who got naturalised to improve our national team in the last years, unlike Poland. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Guerreiro, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Olisadebe)

What about KP Boateng for example? He is a German who was never ever in Ghana yet. I don't see any hype about that case?!

We are an immigration country and therefore the amount of sportsmen with migration background compared to the migrants is even pretty low."

poldi speaks fluent german?

i lol'ed :D

Just as good as the average Hauptschüler of German heritage.

Both, Podolski and Klose, are ethnical Germans in their paternal line. No surprise anyway, considering that what the Poles call their home has once been German soil.

Trochowski isn't, and moved to Germany at the age of five. And Marin is Bosnian/Herzegovinan and moved to Germany at the age of two.

More importantly though, if Podolski, Klose and Trochowski had stayed in Poland they'd be collecting cellphones and shoes today instead of doing what they do. Talent alone doesn't suffice, it also requires having a clue.

Just the fact that you're overreacting to every single sentence about the players in German national team not being German is enough to figure out that you think so as well but even if hell freezes over you won't admit it :D

Nobody's overreacting. We "raging Germans" are only clarifying what was intentionally left ambiguous, i.e. what "being from Germany" would mean. Because, as said, we care about ours.

10/10 would read again

woah, i think you hit a nerve

great success

:D

We care about ours.

i guess its obvious you and the other raging germans responding here are 100% certain from germany, as u have no sense of humour ;>

Was anything funny?

Why plural? The dlx guy was the only one who was raging.

It's a joke. Check your sense of humor, you 100% German.

i was very polite tbh :)

fixed

linkin > garpy imo but w/e theyre in the same group lulz

Friday
No Quake (PCs probably used for another tournament)

i loled

organisators lost bodzo, what a shame

Group A
United States of America Rapha
Germany k1llsen


Group B
Russia Cooller
France strenx

Group C
Belarus Cypher
Italy stermy

Group D
Poland av3k
United States of America DaHanG

ez

I think fazz > dahang, and also noctis > k1llsen
but we'll see

fazz is good but not better than dahang and noctis is in emo mode for last few months so he will suck hardly

noctis is metal, not emo
and fazz was close to pwning cypher & stermy, while all dahang could do in last months is to lose hard to rapha countless times

emo metal not metal. fazz was close yes but only close.. he is very skilled but this is not enough to beat dahang imo

fazz is .eu, dahang is .us.

i think that settles this argument

dontcare

An in-shape dahang will rape an in-shape fazz. :o

all dahang could do is lose to the best player in the world? theres no question rapha has been the best player in teh world for the last two years so your statement par4 is pretty shitty.

You may have noticed that there are still ocassions where players like stermy can beat rapha in an online tournament. While dahang is just getting raped over and over again by him.

Stermy beat rapha online one time so what? online tournament with basically no money involved, and even though it wasnt recent dahang is the only man to beat rapha on lan for a big prize event.

That means that if someone is good, he can have close games with rapha and even win sometimes. Dahang did not have any even remotely close games (neither online nor on lan) with rapha since IEM America (where rapha was unmotivated and sick), he was only badly raped by him.

lets not get crazy the fact that stermy beat an inshape rapha is worty of mention, whereas the last few times rapha and dahang have met the result has been 3-0 rapha, all this does is prove that an inshape rapha can be beaten and he was starting to look like he was never going to be beat.

dahang is another quandary i cant really see him beating rapha,cypher,av3k,coolller with any regularity

What I'm essentially saying is that fazz has very close games with top tier opponents while dahang does not so in my opinion fazz will beat dahang.

nope, fox have beaten rapha twice on lan. Altough only in groupstage but still..

Haha like u americans think rapha is the one and only quaker for first place but he isnt...rapha beated Cooller close and he only played the last 2 tournaments for a long period.So i think he can do it this time mb rapha show some good results but he is beatable like anyone there....

doesnt matter how close anyone gets, rapha wins every tournament every time and he's american, so you're all shitties lol GG NO RE

So why arent Bodzo, Ferus, Spartie and Evil on that list? Did i missed something?

I have no idea, ESWC dudes wouldn't tell me what happened there.

evil - problem with a visa [c]cooller or passports.
spartie - planned his holidays, and they re coincided with eswc.

Cooller and strenx at the same group

$$$

time for cooller school again

like peas and carrots again

JENNY!

I wish they'd do an interview right after cooller owns strenx, i just love to see him sitting there squirming and praying to god that the interview ends soon. :D:D

so would do u too like stre x

please i no understand what u say

sad but ok, i will live with it scqared boy :DDDDDDDDDDdd

lol :D
I like to see strenx being schoollered as much as the next guy!
Hope this happens again this time.

Cypher, rapha, av3k, Cooller

SERIOUSLY?

all in the same group wtf!?!?!

they were in the same top group for dreamhack, what do you expect?

you dont get it?

or dont i get that you got it and pretend that you.. OHYOU

rapha
k1llsen

cooller
strenx

cypher
stermy

av3k
fazz

considering its on shitty monitors

considering its on shitty monitors

shitting its on considery monitors

monitor its on considery shittings

considering it's monitoring shit

GUITAR HERO 5

GROUP A
Cypher
Greyfox
Noa
Adasko2211


lol?

just a same nick ? hello

either this or i really wanna see guitar hero stream!!

no fox?

25 y o and only now he found out that e-sport is a joke and he need to learn, but better late than never !

he plays hon 24/7

That's some good looking stuff!

Chalk me in to have multiple screens going on at one time, with a lot of hot dogs and popcorn.

good, these eswc dudes do a decent job so far

Who is CAREEM? :)

Yuka

sup strenx? scared? ;D

QUAKE 2 LEGEND CAREEM
Haven't you heard?! QUAKE TWO

/ps. LOL @ DAHANG HE IS NOT QUAKE 2 LEGEND MAYBE EVERYONE ELSE IS BUT NOT DAHANG

Dahang is not a q2 legend never was! :) Legends of q2: Scooby, purri, zyz, shub nigga, damiah, fr0zza, fette, adam, squix.... and then tresh and billox in early q2 days :)

makaveli

what's the matter Careem, forgot your password? Just log in.

Provisional.

where the fuck is bodzo ?!?!?!?!

in proland

I have to agree, they look like proles.

canada + e-sport = ROTFLMAO

gellehsak and boodah > you :p

Dead debate.
E-Sports = laughable worldwide.

tell that Koreans :P

Obvious reply is obvious.

It's laughable in Korea too, even if it this specific case, the model actually creates ROI.

It still pushes a vast majority of kids towards a non-productive lifestyle where odds are against them to ever make something positive out of the experience, let alone win any substantial cash. *( see the recent surge in poker popularity for analogy )*

For a model like this to grow properly and be sustainable, it needs to offer opportunities for people who invested time that allows them to branch out in other fields......with Quake, or most of Esports, once you realize there is fuckall after your career, you are stuck :) ( take a look at fox or even toxic....betting on horses and not doing much at 25 realizing they kinda missed the boat at some level )

Esports needs more vuvuzela or something to bring in a bunch of idiots who pay no interest in it in normal times but suddenly do. FIFA, F1, all these 'disciplines' depend on those external factors to thrive.

Out of shape fat fucks with great reflexes arent exactly a good sell.
Gamers who can barely speak on a mic during interviews without showing their awesome indoor basement only social skills either.
Casters who say profanities, are always late and cant setup a fucking stream properly after 8 years aint a sell either.
A platform in beta for more than 2 years and next to no newcomers on the scene, not a sell...

I could go on all day if you want. But Korea is far from being a goal we can achieve considering our current standards.

The E-Sports term is the worst invention of all times.

sorry, but esports serious business

Yeap for a select few people like Sundance DiGiovanni and such perhaps :)

take a look at fox or even toxic....betting on horses and not doing much at 25 realizing they kinda missed the boat at some level

wouldnt say that they missed the boat they just can take next boat what is more comfortable but not so fast

120hz monitors?

EDIT: 19" 60hz. fucking fail LMAO

give source plz

google HP L1908w

right :|

I sense noctis being pleased if this is the case! oops he beat me see #53 :P

linkje > stermy

stermy > rapha

any information on streams?

I hope I'll learn more about it on Wednesday. Whatever happens, I'll give the servers' passwords to lvl^ guys

checking it out as well, but not sure it fits our people's schedule

Challengers: l1nkje :O

eswc picks up right where they left off with the shitty monitors :P

this is what happens when you don't have Samsung as a sponsor/partner...

Spart1e?

no fox :'(

Cooller is in his best form ever, if he does not win this time, he never will. Also:

fail'd with "G"

happy nao ?

also never wrote G in cursive ?

ztn in austrian hands?

what the fuck is this

noctisfanwagononnitroboost.

must be fine art cause it makes no fucking sense

get money to buy larger monitor to see this epitome of noctis <3

i rest my case.

is it that heavy?

thermaltake matrix ffs

Will anyone replace madix? i bet on p0ni!

Hoping for another rapha/cooller final.

60hz LCDs

IS THIS A FUCKING JOKE???!!!!!!!!!!!

Really? Weakens strenx & stermy's advantages again a lot. Imba rocket-launcher owners like rapha will dominate again. ;-(

Yeah, basically that's what will happen :\

rocket launchers owners like (cypher???) rapha!!

i play on a 60hz lcd, not really sure what the issue is?

The pitch of the sound it's making. Balls swing better at 120.

play on a 120hz monitor for a while, then try play on your 60hz monitor again.

pass :P

:)

Same here, but I'd love to have an 120hz :)

if you don't see any diferent, go to your eye doctor as soon as possible.

Get a replacement for madix quick!

call up fox/calipt/bodzo/burnedd/zero4/ to replace him


And get 2gd to cast.

Where the fuck is ferus anyway? I thought we would have some new blood here...

No please. Get wheat to cast.

rofl

djWHEAT is the voice of Quake.

*was

Actually he is the voice of WarSow :P

he was, back when no one actually smart about the game bothered to cast, now we have jay, it should always be him for big events (that's if he wants to) - wheat is almost always wrong with his insight into the game, which annoys the shit out of me.

Very romantic.

Everyone above is wrong. Wheat is still the voice of Quake.

You're damn right.

CONSIDERING THE SHITTY MONITORS...

I wish DaHang and Careem were in the same group.

lol @ Group B

prozac for madix pls, give him a microphone also

what he said!!!

yeahhhhhhh we need more asian people in this eswc! :D

whomever cast should change the godamn camera POV once in a while

toxic please!

THIS

Why use XP over 7?

JONESY YOU'VE ACTUALLY READ THE TOPIC BEFORE POSTING HAHHAHA YOU FAIL

Why use 7 over XP?

why reply to jonesy? swemo

Can someone tell me what happened to bodzo's spot ?

wish I knew

caught cheating

:o

source ?

wat

Some Predictions =)

Group A
United States of America Rapha
-Rapha has proven himself to be one of the top contenders for the 1st place of this or.. any tournament. He is so strong in this game. He has really good mental game and he is 100% focused, He know he can beat any of the contenders and is confident.

If they play on 60hz there is a good chance that his rockets will be really devestating As mentioned earlyer in this thread. (acompanied with other players as Cypher..)

I see rapha finishing top of his group with no problems, really.
potential top 3

Austria noctis
His Cunningness is what he needs to utilize , together with 100%focus. If he manage this i think he will advance and knock out killsen. Could take a map vs rapha

He can go far if he can focus.

Creative player, solid performence expected. Cmon just do it (c)Nike


Germany k1llsen
He can certanly win vs noctis if he gets it going for him.
Mabye his rail wil be somewhat weaker if they use those 60hz
(i bet noctis hope so=)

Cant wait to see Noctis vs Killsen, alltho i think noctis will wear nike shoes and win this !

Slovenia CAREEM
CAREEM CARUUM

Group B
Russia Cooller
This group iss all about strenx vs cooler, and what a fixture !
Really looking forward to see Strenx mussle Cooller down to 2nd place in group.
This is IT for Strenx , he MUST win this,
He needs to show to whole world and also cooller that he understands BALANCE ATTACK/DEFENCE.
He has superfast and deadly attackmoves with out of world aim, What if he used this skill only when he should and try more control/defence. hed be one of the best player in the world =)
If you have a Lead, dont risk too much. Control the score ! Control the game !

Should try more RL PG , 60hz = Bleh for all LG

Alltho i belive Cooller will bring us a really good game.
I think AND hope he will fall to Strenx =) So that he can be the man on the party.

I think both can get really far. both potential top 3

France strenx
Spain Sl1p
Hard beating , bring bandages.

Group C
Belarus Cypher
Sick games this man can play. Really good in balancing super aggressive and defensive game. Super Aim, Super awareness. Super reflex. Strenx could learn alot of cypher. (pst strx, you should not worry bout coller, just on how to balance your game)

Cypher will Take this group , great experienced still realy young.
potential top 3

Italy stermy
Stermy has really good aim, and destroys lower seeded players. Hes not quite up there with the really good ones.
Linkje and stermy to fight for 2nd place.
IMO , Not so interesting

United Kingdom GaRpY
hmmm. He will crash out..

France l1nkje

Group D
Poland av3k
av3k can dominate most players.
Really quick and strong player. Kamikaze attacks when youre not expecting. Does Alot of damage, He is ON you most of the time if hes gotten any space in the match. (as he usually has)
Great Focus, Great mentality. Also great defansive
potential top 3

United States of America DaHanG
Not really sure here, but he could put up a good fight vs avek

Sweden fazz
Can he upset Dahang ??

Belgium dem0n
Have a nice trip !

Gona be some awsome matches.
Best thing would be ZERO4 AS replacement tho !!!!
That would certanly get some Classic matches !

killsen will beat noctis considering theyre on shitty monitors.

On the other hand, k1llsen is hugely overrated

killsin is a 60hz champion(eswc 08 finals 2nd place)

why no bodzo ,he is champion of pol. why !why!

he's busy watching Pao Mo Zhi Xia

but...



pol cannot into space....


:_(

S T R E N X
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wheres bodzo ? where is ferus ? where is sparty party? huh? and dont see Evil on list too ... dont get it

spartie booked holidays before he received the invite
http://www.fragster.de/artikel/15507/ql-inter...ory_quake/

gj spartie not cancelling real life to play quake!

yes, its better to waste years of real life practicing quake and then fail to attend an important event.

so they drop some players just like that? joke tournament tbh

i smell unpayed bills and paralysing lame games.

same maps, same players,,,, stuck on psychosis

you forgot screwed schedules and other coverage desasters

I like to talk to my multiple personalities!

Mee too!

Not me, you're both faggots.

somebody please explain this 60Hz monitor fact, i mean how it is better for guys
who rely on rockets more than hitscans? and why the hell an event called Electronic
Sports World Cup doesnt provide the contesters with the best hardware available!??

maybe HP is the sponsor, or more likely, they just don't care about conditions that players will have to play.

well i am sure hp has hardware which are capable of supporting 120 Hz such as
HP p1230. but i still wanna learn what this 120 Hz is good for..

games running at 125 fps right?

so if your monitor has 60hz refresh half of the fps got fucked up and games dont run smooth enough cos we got tearing etc = unplayable

if we turn on vsync and rfinish the game is a little bit smoother but we got enormous input delay = unplayable

u maybe dont c it but try playing on a crt and then switch to your 60hz lcd = u will throw it outa the window

60h is very fucking bad

half of the kids whining that they cant hit lets say 30% lg after 3 years of playing quake use 60hz lcds

u cant be good at 60hz

thi is going ot be the most pathetic tournament of all time

they should ask players to bring their own monitors

lol at ppl talking about hz....

those monitors are crap for the input delay, hz has the least impact on gameplay :)

bring your own crt to work day?

wut?

and what can you know ibrahimovic ;D

whats that delay in ms?

i havent found a review for the monitor that tested the input delay, so it can be anything from 5 to 80+ ms ;)

so how do u know its bad then?

cos if its around 10-20 ms then 60hz has much more negative effect on the gameplay than this little input lag

15ms=one frame

the 15 ms (or 16,67 ms) are no delay in that sense.

If there is no delay because of other things, the moment the frame goes up you actually get a picture of what is calculated in the game at the very same moment. That "moment" then extends until 16,67 ms, until you get the new frame.

So effectively the mean delay is at 8,3 ms, which is smaller than 10-20 ms input delay.

cause no name monitors usually have horrendous input delay, and no, 20ms delay has worse impact on your aim/move than 60hz could ever have, 60hz might hurt your eyes over time but it won't make you aim/move worse.

the monitors used at eswc san jose in 2008 had smth like 60-80ms ;)

ok anyways u got trolled hard by eswc

aimless rapha wins again fucking sad

even though i suck i cant imagine playing on anything but crt

i would be rly pissed if i were u

DISNEYLAND \:D/

weeeee

haha disneyland is effing awesome. i would just buy a crt for cheap somewhere in france and play with it. its like what? 30 euros for a decent crt? i would do it just to make a statement. noctis do it :P gogogogogo

you have to play on the hardware they provide, same in every tourney ;)

except mouse/keyboard?! :P

you have to buy a mouse-keybord-monitor all in one device and say that u cant play without it

lap top without the processor ? :)

I agree that input delay is more important than hz .

I stand to be corrected but my theory about how hz effects your aim is to do with reaction time and prediction.

My theory is that with higher hz your brain recieves a much better average of position and movement within the game. And with a smoother interpretation comes better split second predictions and reactions that can happen quite often in quake.

Herz is the amount of times your monitor refreshes the image on screen per second, so the same measurement as frames per second in quake.

Imagine this situation, a rocket battle of dodging and firing rockets at 15 fps, and then a rocket battle at 30 fps. Ok obviously this is taking it to the extreme.
But at 30fps you will be able to dodge much easier because you are recieving 15 more frames of information on where the rocket is traveling, and also be able to fire a more accurate rocket back at your oponent with recieving 15 more frames of information on his position and movement. So you are recieving a better average of motion within the game.

Now the argument against this would be that after a certain fps/hz is reached it doesn't make a difference because your brain can only interpret so much per second and anything faster would just get interpolated.

Sure but when things are moving at very high speeds in the game, like when a guy is strafe jumping across a small gap really fast and you have to aim upward to try hit him. On 60 fps/hz maybe you would recieve 12 images of him jumping across the gap where as on 120 fps/hz you would recieve 24 images of him jumping across the same gap giving you a more accurate interpretation of his motion path resulting in a much higher chance of reacting in time and aiming at the correct spot.

It's little bit smoother, so it's easier to track with lg etc.

hz has the least impact on gameplay :)

No. 60hz means 60 refreshes / second. 60 refreshes per second means 16.6 miliseconds delay between frames (1000ms / 60)

120 hz means 8.3 miliseconds delay (1000 ms / 120) between frames.

So, running 60 hz instead of 120 adds up to 8.3 miliseconds delay, on top of the natural LCD delay of actually changing fucking pixel colors. So you're wrong, and eswc is gay.

a crappy panel can add A LOT more than just those 8ms, so yeah, the 60hz is usually the least problem with crappy LCDs

and btw. the delay between 2 frames is smth different than the delay it takes from moving your mouse to the monitor drawing it.
otherwise you'd also have that delay problem on CRTs with 60hz

The whole shebang.

Thanks for the link, it really supports what I said.

Well, except maybe they're describing technology which they still might not have a full grasp on.

Anandtech is generally a fairly good tech site. But I once read an excerpt of an email from somebody working in panel manufacturing, and he described a host of image preprocessing possibilities they'd perform depending on what the specific panel requires, and which would add to input lag. I gave up after one paragraph though, because that shit was so convoluted.

So I'd take the article as a rough estimate only, regarding the LCD part of it.

does anyone of you know if lcds introduce additional lag by running it on non-native resolution?

They do. Because in this case scaling is done by the monitor to calculate the image pixel values. And that processing time adds to the lag.

Running an LCD in native resolution is one step in minimizing input lag.

With vsync off, monitor always draws most recent frame at any given moment, and seeing even part of frame is enough for brain to approximate what has changed in whole scene, so limited refresh rate doesn't really induce any visible input lag.

According to www.tftcentral.co.uk, this monitor has a AUO TN Film panel (M190PW01 V0).

I'm not really into the topic, but while surely not high end those panels might incur comparatively low lags. That's at least what I seemed to gather from a 16.6ms google search.

If desperate, one could look for reviews of other monitors using that panel. E.g. the BenQ FP94VW does, I believe.

we won't know until we test them anyway, so w/e :)

Then report back the results, please. Hehehehe ;)

wth, what's the story with all these drop outs?

I'm happy I wasn't need to play such LCD's on DH, so I'm sure 100% would thought i'm cheater for real, even if they didn't before :DDDDD

stop talking cheats after a lan, cause you'll make yourself obvious like walter

i always said im cheater, i said it 100 times, but noone can prove it :(

the more u talk about it the more obvious it is

Those monitors gave me a boner, make sure to take some aspirin.

epic...how is it even fucking possible to play with 60hz lcd :DD what a joke

i play on a 60hz lcd and you wouldnt even play 3 minutes vs me in zotac

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

i know, rite

i just dont think 60hz lcds is an excuse :d

you can't support noctis anymore with that attitude!!!!!!1111

my dog is a bigger noctisfan than you'll ever be!

bc you'd ragequit?

if that were the case he would play me, but he couldn't.

no logics r win rite : (

u high

sort of

gogo pro's brining their own monitors?

It is really sad that recently the company I work at moved and threw away like 10 old but ok 140 hz crt's which would be perfect for ql, while they play on new-age monitors which are hardly playable...

bodzo is on the list ;) finally. and he's not a replacement, just admins of polish quals. forgot to register him to the main event...

As far as I know this is not truth. In the registration form delivered by main ESWC admins it was required to fill all booked slots before submitting. I haven't seen that form but this is information I got from qualifier organizers. Actually bodzo was in that list already but suddenly disappeared so it looks rather like system error.

See http://www.eswc.com/game/quake-live/

Bodzo was on the list, while spart1e/evil/ferus never was. So it's not a matter of not registering him.

Just like DreamHack last time www.levelupyourgame.net will provide a HQ and LQ stream for the event. As with DreamHack where we had 2GD, we will once again have some high quality commentary. More news on that to come.

Any feedback or ideas are always welcome.

#lvl^ on quakenet

Use the same cfg and it will be fine ;)

"Any feedback or ideas are always welcome."
please, lock console from nvc this time.

ahahaha he wont be doing the LQ stream during the weekend for sure, drill will. Maybe he will do Thursday tho.

:D

ban 2bd for life

Would be nice if you find some way to get the vods up as fast as possible (preferrably the same day after the games).

Should be quicker this time. Last time we had to find a different solution because of the sound sync issues with own3d.

THIOS

please don't take into consideration any ideas else we will end up with vuvuzelas in background or smth. copypaste settings from DH and we are fine.

change camera pov more often to follow whomever the spectators are commentating on last time there were some weird moments when 2gd was obviously commenting the player the camera was not on.

of course it depends on what everyone else likes but i like it when the camera POV changes sometimes even if nobody has been killed

We can now announce that 2GD will be covering Saturday and Sunday on the lvl^ stream. He would have done Thursday as well but he is away on a business trip.

We are still looking into some options for Thursday and if proZaC gets his ass on Skype to sort some details with me, he will also be casting some games.

\o/

Taken from http://www.eswc.com/game/quake-live/ :

Description

Play as space marine Matthew Kane, an elite commando with a mysterious (and possibly checkered) past whose reputation as a tough soldier precedes him. Kane has been drafted into Rhino Squad, one of the squads of space marines currently assaulting the planet Stroggos, home of the strogg aliens.

I bet that's something worth watching :d

Didn't you know that they changed from QL duel to Q4 single-player speedrun contest?

No, but it's good to learn a new thing or two every once in a while ;)

as u can see ESWC are bunch of cs player, its the same description as 2009

GREAT JOB ESWC !

sup french rager :"DD

is careem that slovenian pedophile yuka mentioned before he got banned?

i was sure i know who plussed this but somehow missed.

a gypsy perhaps

ESWC forgot about Poland lmao

i'm cheering for croatian teams/players in e-sport............................oh wait, you don't have any /=8=/

nah, we're realistic and send our kids to school

zeus played starcraft iirc, but he was the only one

hi

no, zeus played wc3, mgz)ptak is our top scbw player.

zeus didn't play starcraft? :D

I don't think so, I've heard of 4K*Zeus only in War3

you're wrong. zeus and kiko played sc.

I'm sure careem will honour all of us, who never had the skill to play at pro level and yet unfairly never went to any high profile tournament

by being the waterboy?

walterboy

...

SUP

hai thar >:3

you're more lucky than careem anyway

Exams? Rectal or..?

anyway, get ferus to replace demon

Chickening out again :((

chickening out ? I don't get it, I dont know of anyone who wouldnt want to go to disneyland for free just because he might get last of his group ;x

I'm so disappointed I couldnt go, I just lost myself 150 euro of travel expenses and I probably am not gonna go to quakecon now...

scared to be raped again :DDDD

Forgot about bodzo? Real professionalism. Geez.

exactly, really sad

get jibo to replace demon !

Can't get a flight till tomorrow. :( Hopefully, xgo will get his spot to play since license, hotel room and flight is already paid.

What are you saying exactly?

since the tourney starts the Thursday

you fucking idiot

http://www.fishki.net/comment.php?id=71686

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Friday
No Quake

OK so can we skip the Friday then in the calendar and jumo ahead to Saturday when the its 12.00 pm Thursday ??

cooller at mouz office :D

i always wondered how heaven looks like. thou god we know from before.

I showed you heaven so make me + ! :P
im so fuckin curious how cooller will play on this eswc

which monitor is that? I hope the same or at least similar to the one used at eswc

IF eswc used 3 times more expensive monitors, witch are 120Hz and 24" :D:D:D

thats Acer Aspire GD245HQ. like day and night in compare to eswc monitors.

he should be using the samsung/viewsonic ones though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCf2L2O0MiY (not a perfect test)

it is nor perfect as the Acer was not running at it's native rezolution.

It still is, bar the Alienware, the fastest of them 120 hz monitors out there. Can't wait to get mine!

what's with all the noctis love? i ask that in a positive manner :P i think he is a great player, too, but does he really stand a chance at getting even top 4?

oh, and is fox able to go? he just did great at dreamhack and group d needs a player. Not sure if there is or will be a replacement, but would like to see fox attend especially :D

Noctis is our emo metal chuck norris. GO NOCTIS <3

"i think he is a great player, too, but does he really stand a chance at getting even top 4?"

No

Can you name hardcore TDM players who're good duelers too? The reasons why Noctis gets so much love:

1. His play style is very unorthodox and always fun to watch.

2. His TDM influence clearly shows in his decision making while dueling. Watch his IEM Dubai win against Cooller or his recent games against Cypher.

3. He's modest and stays away from controversy and crap.

4. He's a metalhead :>

5. To me, he's the 'complete' Quake player.

"Can you name hardcore TDM players who're good duelers too?"

Johan Quick

He's inactive and it's not that he doesn't get love from the community. Your post proves that.

sounds like a pornstar. no offence thou.

#3 carries the most weight =]

ferus? :(

No FERUS, MADIX, CAREEM, DEMON, EVIL ! .. What happend with EVIL why he will not show up ?

Can someone give me some background on this sl1p guy?
He just appeared out of nowhere and did pretty well in the previous zotac cup

Undercover Brother AKA Sombra

my 2 cents :/

I dunno

Haha sombra with a vengeance, maybe but I doubt it :p

I reckon he has been playing for years (I remember him as x6tence.AMD Sl1p)

Ahh ok, then he has been around for some time if he used to wear the x6tence tag :p

he has also played in lots of q3 cups, he didnt came out of nowhere he just never anaged to have an impact in the international scene

Cool, well I hope either him or bodzo make 2nd place in their group :) so strenx can go shaft mickey mouse and drown his sorrow on some rollercoasters and childrens rides.

trololololo
http://www.fnatic.com/scene/7652/Poland-quest...PDATE.html
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heard their train will arrive around 10am tomorrow

yup
http://cybersport.pl/userfiles/image/ROZNE/plan-podrozy-eswc.jpg

From what have I read bodzo and two other players will go by aeroplane (NFS and GH) but wasn't 100% sure. I think it wouldn't be a problem for srs to pay for av3k's trip :-3

xou: not really because of exams, I had to take my chance to meet teachers (only days possible were during ESWC) so I can get the 0,5pt/20 that I need to pass the year without having to pass exams in August which fucks my Qcon trip up...

Well sucky, the teachers did not want to gimme that 0.5 pt :DDDDD

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