ESR - Accel users...help/advice?

<< Comment #1 @ 18:31 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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ralph

if rail drop but acc for rl and lg higher, why no toggle accel for rl and lg only and leave off for rg ?

<< Comment #2 @ 18:36 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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yikes

I recently switched from no accel to using accel, and I gotta say I'm digging the difference.
Only thing that seemed to help me get used to it was playing around with my mouse settings (pitch, yaw, side, forward). Since I got those down it's been awesome.

<< Comment #4 @ 18:38 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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kevz - Reply to #2

ye pitch and yaw are useful tools aswell, i play CA mainly and i set my vertical sens to be just enough to do quick rocketjumps, no higher :>

<< Comment #3 @ 18:37 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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kevz

learn to play consistant, also what i did when i went from no accel to enabling accel, is change both the sens and accel to a value that allows me to 180 flick in the same way i did before i had accel, then after that u can tweak if u want lower sens+more accel or vice versa

other than that, give it time. not a few days, more like a month, thats how long it took me to adjust to it and start spanking hard :P

<< Comment #5 @ 18:52 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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browser

some day i put cl_mouseaccel to .5 and then gave a shit about it
for 7 years
still feels good

<< Comment #6 @ 18:58 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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Something

try varying cl_mousesenscap values for your different weapons, can make accel "feel" completely different.

<< Comment #7 @ 19:02 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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ini

I've literally always used mouse acceleration (except for brief periods without just to test non-accel out) and I didn't play any game requiring aim prior to Q3 so...

That said, it's just a matter of confidence, experience and holding your nerves. With the rail you've just got to be smooth and consistent with your movements until it's second nature (Then depending on your ability you'll be hitting 180 degree flicks easy!).

You're basically having to relearn your aiming technique and since rail is the most affected by it (RL/LG the least) it'll take a little longer.

Edited by iNkind at 19:03 CDT, 24 June 2010

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<< Comment #9 @ 19:08 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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ini - Reply to #7

Just a FYI, I play with my elbow and forearm on my mouse pad and primarily move the mouse with wrist/finger movements (finger grip, not claw).

<< Comment #8 @ 19:05 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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h8m3

accel sucks

<< Comment #10 @ 19:15 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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ZeritoN

I'm gonna gatecrash the thread right now :[

Why do people use accel? Not a snide comment, but I'm actually interested in what benefits they get out of it. I used to use it many years ago but realized it was probably better without

For example. When I aim, like many others, I don't really pay attention to the crosshair. It's just there as a point of reference. I don't literally line up the crosshair to the model or whatever and aim, I just move my mouse on impulse and fire. It's just muscle memory.

By that I mean I aim by knowing how far I need to move my hand in order to get the kill. Without using accel, this means that moving your hand slow or fast means the same thing. You only have to worry about how far you move your hand. Surely with accel, you're thinking about how far you need to move your hand, but you also have to factor in how fast you need to move it? Isn't that just more effort then it's worth?

Maybe I'm misinterpreting how accel works for you guys, but when I used it a long time ago, it was that the accel depended on how fast you moved your hand. For example, a slow 180 turn fast was like two 360s (okay, maybe not that extreme, but you get the idea)

TL;DR? - What's the benefit of using accel?

Edited by Zer1toN at 19:17 CDT, 24 June 2010

<< Comment #11 @ 19:49 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #10

quoting kevz : both the sens and accel to a value that allows me to 180 flick in the same way i did before i had accel.
This is THE key to get used to accel, because then, most of your flickshots can still be performed the same way you did before.

Zer1ton : once you have found settings you're comfortable with and have played for a moment with them, you don't need to think about the accel anymore. Your brain simply learns several different movements/speed for the same shots. Flickshots being quite stable in speed [ except if you're flicking on pure reaction or shitting your pants running away ] you don't really need to learn things 25 times.

And to answer your Q, the benefit of using accel is to use low sens and its advantages [ tracking, easier to correct your aim ] without having to move your mouse around like a madman AND to keep a kinda regular sens for movements and projectiles.

<< Comment #12 @ 20:06 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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gl00my - Reply to #11

i used accel back in the days but i never felt stable ....i mean one day it was good and the next terrible :S Now i play with medium sens and no accel ....i feel more consistant.

<< Comment #13 @ 20:09 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #12

yeah, every now and then everyone feels that their sens is fucked, accel makes it obvious instead of simply meeeh.

<< Comment #14 @ 21:03 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #11

Yeah I guess I can see the benefit of having a low sens for LG and then faster for flicks and 180s but I always thought, why bother getting used to moving at different speeds when you can learn just the distance and never miss.

At least that's the way I saw it. I'd rather just use a sens in the middle without accel and just 'remember' the distances rather then have to factor speed into it

<< Comment #15 @ 21:23 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #14

When you say you remember the movements, I think your brain also remembers a certain speed for every standard stuff even without accel. It's just a bit harder to learn the different options with accel.

<< Comment #20 @ 23:46 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #14

I didn't get used to it, turning accel on instantly felt natural and much better than with no accel. With an added benefit of immediate +5% accuracy improvement on every weapon.

<< Comment #21 @ 00:23 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #20

What's your settings? May try it out since I never use the same mouse settings for QL as I do everything else anyway :P

<< Comment #22 @ 02:13 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #21

On my PC I have the following settings:
sensitivity = 1
cl_mouseaccel = 0.025
cl_mousesenscap = 3
On my laptop with completely different mouse/drivers/dpi/mouserate/etc, I have entirely different settings to give the same feeling (it's something like sens=2.3, accel=0.7, cap=6, I don't remember exact values).
So I guess you still have to experiment. And also probably for each his own, as I know people who simply hate accel.

Edited by p4r4 at 02:14 CDT, 25 June 2010

<< Comment #25 @ 03:21 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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slunge - Reply to #22

what mouse and dpi are you plaing at with that sens at 1?

Only reason i ask is your settings are near identical to mine (sens 1.2, accel 0.02 and sens cap 3 - g9 @ 3200 dpi btw)

<< Comment #69 @ 00:29 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #25

razer lachesis @ 2000 dpi

<< Comment #16 @ 21:27 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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vedic - Reply to #10

After using accel for enough time, it becomes the same muscle memory.

<< Comment #17 @ 21:43 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #16

Yes I know that. That's the point I was making. Just wondered why would you factor more things into it when you can have 1:1. Got the answer though :]

<< Comment #26 @ 03:34 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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tbone - Reply to #10

When I started playing again, I seriously lowered my sens to get my accuracies up to standard, and it worked. However I was having a lot of problems when it came to reacting quickly, movement, rocketjumps, etc. So I decided to try accel. I have tried this many times before but was never able to get used to it, I put a bit more effort into it though and it took about 2 months to switch. I found an excellent fast sens that I was still hitting high accuracies, but lower than before... however I thought the movement benefit was worth it.

Since then I have actually lowered my sens more, and my accuracies are now about the same as they were without accel, with the movement benefits.

ms3.0 400dpi
m_pitch 0.008
m_yaw 0.007
cl_mouseaccel 0.32
sensitivity 4.7
in_mouse 2

<< Comment #28 @ 03:41 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #26

Sensitivity 4.7 WITH accel?!

Bloomin 'eck that's not low! :D I use 2.9 normally and that's high for me :P

I'll give it a try out though when I can be bothered :P

<< Comment #30 @ 03:54 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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tbone - Reply to #28

Look at my pitch and yaw.

It translates to like 1.5 sens 0.1 accel.... I like the number 4.7 though.

<< Comment #31 @ 03:56 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #30

Yeah I just loaded up QL and tried your settings as well as default settings with sens 2.9 and 0.2 accel and really couldn't get used to it :P

Everytime I tried to do a rocketjump of a wall sideways or something I would be facing completely the wrong way. Guess I'd need to get used to it, but since I've got used to playing with a low sens I'll probably just leave it :P

<< Comment #32 @ 04:00 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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tbone - Reply to #31

Hmmm. Well there are two ways you can go about it, you could either start with a really high accel and then drop it as you get more used to it, or you could start with a really low accel and increase it as you get used to it.

I basically started on Coollers sens (Which was very low at the time for me) and changed it from there.

<< Comment #38 @ 06:03 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #31

Yeah I just loaded up QL [...] and really couldn't get used to it

*facepalm*

what are people trying to tell you, again?

<< Comment #41 @ 06:07 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #38

Doesn't really work when I already said what you said...

<< Comment #91 @ 20:34 CDT, 11 July 2010 >>

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xok - Reply to #10

CAn you upload a demo of you playing, i'd be keen to see how this 'style' works out

<< Comment #93 @ 21:56 CDT, 11 July 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #91

Well I wouldn't consider it a style really. For the most part you still set up your shots (afterall, 90% of aim is positioning anyway) but it's still useful to have the ability to hit flick shots off of muscle memory. It's just something I got used to because I used to play a rifler in DOD1.3 competitively so you kinda got into the habit of reflex over aim.

Anyway, can't sleep so I jumped on some random ictf server at 4am and did a demo for ya (WOO, regular ictf pr0). Round a mate's so using her shit mouse+keyboard plus account config and no sound, so no judge pleez. Tried not to set up shots but yeah, not the best example probably, but still I guess it kinda gets the point across

Attached Demo: 76564-twat.dm_73 (2473KB)

Edited by Zer1toN at 21:57 CDT, 11 July 2010

<< Comment #94 @ 22:15 CDT, 11 July 2010 >>

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j0sh_ - Reply to #10

I used it to have low sens for tracking and aim, but added accel to make quick 180's. The crazy part about the way I had went about it was I was using the new accel style. I had:

sens 4.7
accel .5
senscap 7.5
offset 4.5

I got used to it and it was great, but then I read injx's description of the problem with it (mainly the framerate issue), and realized when I started having fps problems I couldn't hit anything. Come to find out, using less than accel 1 with the new style effectively means negative accel. So in a strange way I was doing the opposite of accel- I had high sens with an accel value that took the edge off of a fast motion so that I wouldn't "overshoot".

Today I took the same settings as above and changed it to style 0- I couldn't even shoot. My sensitivity ended up being 3.7, no accel and took out the other stuff. Go figure. Now just for shits and giggles I think I'll bump my sens up high and put in a neg accel value just to see what happens.

Edited by j0sh_ at 22:17 CDT, 11 July 2010

<< Comment #18 @ 23:36 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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jamalz

My mousepad is very small, so I use accel so I don't need to move much. I have a small desk.

My movement is alright but its better without accel. My lg and rockets are very good with accel + low sens and regular on no accel (small mousepad) Rail is a shot in the dark with the fucking netcode.

<< Comment #19 @ 23:44 CDT, 24 June 2010 >>

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p4r4

For me, setting a cl_mousesenscap value to about 3x of sensitivity helped a lot. Also, use zoom when you rail.

<< Comment #23 @ 02:41 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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GreenMeanie

try cl_mouseaccelstyle 1

<< Comment #24 @ 03:01 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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Memento_Mori '

I used accel for years, and stopped using it with QL. I currently use a low sens (30 cm/360). I assume that if you want to add accel, you have a low sens.

In this case, adding accel may have the following effects. Your movement should improve, as you run around the map at higher speed and with less physical effort. On the aim side, your rail may improve as well (especially using zoom), but your rocket may suck, especially at the beginning.

Regarding the 'muscle memory' I agree that you develop it either ways. It sounds reasonable that without accel the set of movements is easier to learn, but I wonder whether the body really care about the absolute movements, or it counts speed anyways (in this case, the difficulty would be the same).

In the end, I think that the most important aspect is making conscious effort in adapting your aim to whatever settings you pick. Chose your settings based on the movement, then do some practice to adapt the aim.

<< Comment #27 @ 03:36 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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tbone

Took about 2 months. It was worth it, although I've kinda gone off playing now.

ms3.0 400dpi
m_pitch 0.008
m_yaw 0.007
cl_mouseaccel 0.32
sensitivity 4.7
in_mouse 2

<< Comment #29 @ 03:49 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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trippy

z4muz uses 1.6 sens with 0.2 accel... and he is amazing xD

<< Comment #55 @ 07:25 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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therm - Reply to #29

zamuz does not use accel afaik

<< Comment #58 @ 07:41 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #55

sens 1.6. accel 0.2. in_mouse 2. ie3.0.

But yeah. like with fox there's no fucking way to see the accel in his movements.

<< Comment #59 @ 07:45 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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therm - Reply to #58

omg he rly does use accel?

when i c how he plays its even more hard to watch than strenxs play

anyways with sucha low sens accel doesnt rly kick in much

<< Comment #61 @ 07:59 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ini - Reply to #59

He used to have the smoothest mouse movements with a high accel and average sens so...

<< Comment #65 @ 08:21 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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therm - Reply to #61

yeah, used to have

<< Comment #68 @ 17:35 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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kRoNic- - Reply to #65

still has.

Edited by kRoNic- at 17:35 CDT, 25 June 2010

<< Comment #66 @ 14:26 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #59

anyways with sucha low sens accel doesnt rly kick in much

Oh god, when I tried his settings for shit and giggles it was absolutely impossible to control anything, it was either way too slow or choppy-choppy. I'd love to see vids of him playing to see how he moves his mouse.

<< Comment #33 @ 04:38 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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c1

Does anyone know how m_pitch/m_yaw influence sensitivity & mouseAccel? I was thinking m_pitch/m_yaw 0.011 (default: 0.022) will decrease my sensitivity/accel by � (e.g. m_pitch/m_yaw 0.011 sensitivity 4 cl_mouseAccel 0.1 = m_pitch/m_yaw 0.022 sensitivity 2 cl_mouseAccel 0.05)???
Can anyone confirm this or correct me?

I was playing around with m_pitch/m_yaw & mouseAccel and I got the feeling m_pitch/m_yaw influence mouseAccel in a different way.

<< Comment #34 @ 05:09 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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tbone - Reply to #33

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1370847

<< Comment #37 @ 05:39 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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c1 - Reply to #34

I've read this 100times but there isnt any explanation in there

<< Comment #39 @ 06:05 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #37

there is, somewhere in this thread:

360 / (m_yaw * dpi converted to cm * q3 sens * win sens) = 'real sens'

same thing for vertical movement and m_pitch.

Edited by zealot at 06:05 CDT, 25 June 2010

<< Comment #40 @ 06:06 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #39

eg.:

360 / (0.022 * (450 / 2.54) * 4.5) = 20.5252525

<< Comment #43 @ 06:27 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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c1 - Reply to #40

this explains the influence on sensitivity... right
and what about accel?
Sorry im stoned :>

<< Comment #44 @ 06:42 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #43

Idiot's Guide
Assuming no windows or driver nonsense, you can calculate your I and J using these:

I = 360 / ( M * R * B )

J = ( M * R^2 * A ) / 1000

*Important*
Convert your mouse dpi to dots per cm first by dividing it by 2.54

M = m_yaw
R = mouse resolution
B = sensitivity
A = m_accel ( or cl_mouseaccel )

i'm not using accel anymore so i'm not sure.

(m_yaw * dpi converted to cm ^2 * cl_mouseaccel) / 1000 = 'real accel'

due to limitations of the quake engine no one wants to know your vertical 360� sens, but tbh if we'd want to be accurate we would have to do it for both to have a meaningful value.

<< Comment #45 @ 06:45 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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c1 - Reply to #44

sth like yes you are right, would have been enough.
Thanks anyway

<< Comment #46 @ 06:45 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #43

for people under the influence :D

if these formulas are correct m_pitch/m_yaw act as simple dividers in both cases.

in other words:
sens 1 m_yaw 0.022 accel 0.1 should be the exact same thing as sens 2 m_yaw 0.011 accel 0.2
(for horizontal movement... if you want to have the same sens m_pitch needs to changed accordingly too).

Edited by zealot at 06:49 CDT, 25 June 2010

<< Comment #35 @ 05:17 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ambro

this is why i like AccelStyle 1 so much.

<< Comment #36 @ 05:35 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #35

So can you explain me how does it works and whats the difference comparing to AccelStyle 0 ?

<< Comment #42 @ 06:15 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ambro - Reply to #36

Well, its much more customizable once you really understand how it works. Some say this new style is somehow hardware dependent. I never noticed it, might be just rumors.

What i like the most is offset and senscap. Offset is explained below, senscap is a bit selfexplanatory, it limits acceleration to maximum sensitivity.

I made a graph for better visualization. Its a bit exaggerated and not exactly accurate. http://ambro.insane.si/accel.html (html5 browsers only)

Below is a bit of documentation TTimo from iD posted about the new style acceleration system.

To enable it, set cl_mouseAccelStyle 1 (0 is the default/legacy behavior)
New style is controlled with 3 cvars:
- sensitivity
- cl_mouseAccelOffset
- cl_mouseAccel

The old code (cl_mouseAccelStyle 0) can be difficult to calibrate because if you have a base sensitivity setup, as soon as you set a non zero acceleration your base sensitivity at low speeds will change as well. The other problem with style 0 is that you are stuck on a square (power of two) acceleration curve.

The new code tries to solve both problems:
Once you setup your sensitivity to feel comfortable and accurate enough for low mouse deltas with no acceleration (cl_mouseAccel 0), you can start increasing cl_mouseAccel and tweaking cl_mouseAccelOffset to get the amplification you want for high deltas with little effect on low mouse deltas.

- cl_mouseAccel is a power value. Should be >= 1, 2 will be the same power curve as style 0. The higher the value, the faster the amplification grows with the mouse delta.
- cl_mouseAccelOffset sets how much base mouse delta will be doubled by acceleration. The closer to zero you bring it, the more acceleration will happen at low speeds. This is also very useful if you are changing to a new mouse with higher dpi, if you go from 500 to 1000 dpi, you can divide your cl_mouseAccelOffset by two to keep the same overall 'feel' (you will likely gain in precision when you do that, but that is not related to mouse acceleration).

Mouse acceleration is tricky to configure, and when you do you'll have to re-learn your aiming. But you will find that it's very much forth it in the long run.

If you try the new acceleration code and start using it, I'd be very interested by your feedback.

Edited by ambro at 06:48 CDT, 25 June 2010

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<< Comment #47 @ 06:48 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #42

it's also fps dependent and therefore rather useless :(

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ambro - Reply to #47

i never noticed any fps drops that i could blame on accelstyle. i'd really like to know more behind this issue or at least why and how it affect performance in game engine. its hard to determine fps drops coz of accelstyle. might be just usual reasons; server lag, game situation etc.

Edited by ambro at 06:57 CDT, 25 June 2010

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zealot - Reply to #49

no, wait... the new accelstyle depends on fps, not the other way around.

the problem is that ql does not offer a steady framerate and because of this the new accelstyle will not be consistent at all times.

<< Comment #51 @ 07:11 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ambro - Reply to #50

uh, interesting. now i am even more eager to know whats happening in game engine regarding mouse movement calculation.

<< Comment #52 @ 07:12 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #51

i love this http://ambro.insane.si/accel.html btw :)

where did you get the ttimo quote from, maybe there's more on the topic?

<< Comment #56 @ 07:28 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ambro - Reply to #52

glad you like it :)

i forgot where i found it. i believe it was published by ttimo as a comment to his patch for quake3 engine in some repository. i found it on some quake mod dev list. now its allover the internet anyway.

maybe asking ttimo to explain a bit more how this works behind the scenes would not be such a bad idea. especially dpi/s calculation. thats the only thing i think that could be fps dependent.

<< Comment #89 @ 04:31 CDT, 11 July 2010 >>

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lewl - Reply to #56

yo ambro! i was thinking about switching to accelstyle 1 and was looking for your url for the helpful tool you've created for testing it, but it's not online anymore :((( any chance of getting it up again?

<< Comment #48 @ 06:50 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #42

Wow, thanks for your effort. Now it looks clearer for me. I will certainly give it a try today and try to find best settings for my old MX 500 ;)

<< Comment #53 @ 07:17 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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injx - Reply to #42

style 1 has 3 main problems with it:

1) it's framerate dependent (if your framerate drops, your accel will drop). it doesnt cause framedrops itself, but it will change due to them. if your framerate drops by half, your effective accel will also drop by half.

2) the offset is not actually an offset, the name and description is misleading. the offset cvar just divides the accel term - it does the same thing that cl_mouseaccel does for style 0, but it divides instead of multiplying. In other words, the only 'new' feature that style 1 gives over style 0 is the custom power.

3) style 1 doesnt preserve directionality. this means that the direction in which your view moves depends on how quickly you move the mouse even if you are moving the mouse in a straight line. For style 0, the direction in which the view moves ONLY depends on the direction of mouse movement.

Also note that senscap works with BOTH accel styles, it's not special to style 1.

p.s. your visualisation is completely wrong.

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<< Comment #54 @ 07:23 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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zealot - Reply to #53

you can cap the max sens even with the old accel style? nice (:

<< Comment #60 @ 07:53 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ambro - Reply to #53

still if i understand it correctly offset does lower acceleration effect on lower dpi/s. it moves acceleration effectiveness to higher dpi/s values and keeps acceleration lower on low mouse dpi/s values.

that thing about directionality i just didnt understand.

<< Comment #62 @ 08:03 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ini - Reply to #60

I don't think you understand any of it.

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ambro - Reply to #62

right :)

<< Comment #64 @ 08:18 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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injx - Reply to #60

no, it doesn't.

<< Comment #57 @ 07:31 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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therm

im trying accel myself atm and i kinda like it

it adds some virtuosity to my game

i need to relearn my aim and movement though

atm everybodys pwning me hard

havent decided yet between 2.8-3.0 sens at 450 dpi and 0.1 accel - default pitch/yaws

and again pitch/yaws re used to have dif sens/accel at x/y axis and when they re equal its pointless to change them at all cos u can just lower or whatever sens and accel

oh and i need a smaller mouse... deathadder doesnt suit those sets well :C

Edited by 7herm at 07:46 CDT, 25 June 2010

<< Comment #67 @ 15:00 CDT, 25 June 2010 >>

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ralph

accel is suka cruft.

<< Comment #70 @ 01:52 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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oneroomdisco

I appreciate all the responses so far, very helpful, you are kind people :)

What I think I've decided (not 100% on) is that maybe accel isn't me. Maybe I'm not a person who should be using accel. I never grew up with accel when I played PC games, and maybe if I did with certain games, I didn't know it was on.

That being said, I never grew up with it, so I don't think I should be turning it on at this point. 4 sens with .1 felt pretty nice, but the rail was definitely lacking.

When I tried having 4.6 sens with no accel yesterday, I felt 1000% more confident in my game. I felt like I was actually aiming properly, it felt extremely nice. With accel, it felt like there was always some doubt, and if nervousness kicked in or anything, I didn't feel confident at all.

So, unless I add some very LOW amount of accel to my existing sense (Running 5 sens now), I doubt I'll turn it back on. I think if I grew up with accel a few years back, maybe I'd be used to it. At this point, I don't think I can really mess around with accel right now. Who knows, it could take me a year to fully get confident with it, and that can be a long time. Sure I have to move the mouse more now, but I just feel so much better about my aim with it off.

I guess I'm just not an accel person :)

<< Comment #72 @ 02:10 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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vedic - Reply to #70

You can't expect it to be comfortable over night. Try switching all your weapon binds up and even that will take you a day or two to get used to.

<< Comment #75 @ 13:34 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #72

I was on mouse accel for two months. Confidence wasn't going up during that time.

<< Comment #71 @ 02:03 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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terrorhead

I can play with rapha's settings really well. Cooller's sens is way to low for me.

Try rapha's cfg.

<< Comment #73 @ 05:35 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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Mav_

Responses in this topic, as well as the main post were pretty helpful for me.

Two days ago, I bought myself a Razer Abyssus + Razer Goliathus Alpha, after more than a couple years of playing on a WMO+Qck on a mid-to-low sensitivity. I also changed my config to a completely other one and I'm still struggling on a sensitivity/accel setting to choose.

One of the things that I have to keep in mind is that the friction on my new mouse + pad is really low. I like it that way, that's why I bought precisely that mouse and pad.

But, I have to change my sensitivity to a lower value and/or add some acceleration. Now a problem arises because I have barely played with any acceleration throughout my Quake years and it will definitely be difficult to get used to.

But on the other hand, the friction on the pad is so low that I'm wondering if it is something that will make aiming with a medium sens on large distances difficult or is it a thing to get used to.

So, my question basically is, should I use acceleration or not? As for yesterdays play, I have to admit that my first impressions with acceleration were similar to Gillz's. No confidence in aiming whatsoever when using accel. But, I can just suck it up and play badly for a couple of days or even weeks if I think that it will prove itself beneficial in the long run.

It's even funny how I'm asking that question being a pretty experienced player. I've been playing Quake 3 fairly regularly since 2002. I guess that we can learn answers for the most basic questions our whole lives.

<< Comment #74 @ 10:31 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #73

Mav_ and Gillz : use the lowest sens you can without slipping out of your mousepad while tracking people with your lg, add enough accel to be able to perform a flick 180 in the exact same way that what you like/ are used to [ both distance and speed ]. Tweak those values for a couple of hours, bump the sebs a little bit or lower it and add more accel, whatever feels good.
"Medium sens" + accel is the most fucked up idea someone can have if they wanna try accel. It's really tricky to find something that feels good cause the line between " is there really accel ? " and the chopfest is fucking thin.

Edited by faer1e at 10:43 CDT, 26 June 2010

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crea* ' - Reply to #74

My advice also would be to only gradually change the setup. Same sens but just a little accel. then when you are comfy with that maybe a little lower sens and a tad more accel, etc.

<< Comment #77 @ 15:12 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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fishbone_

I'm using accel for years, and I gradually lowered my accel over years.
I started at very high accel 0.8 and sens 3/4 (MX500@800DPI) I had a wirst movement (I didn't use my arm at all).
Now I'm using the XAI. Going from accel 0.2 sens 2 (@800DPI) to accel 0.02 sens 2 (@800DPI), and i have a arm movement since i'm using the XAI.

Maybe try to use a little of accel ~0.05 but keep your sens. And see what is your feeling about that :)

<< Comment #78 @ 15:12 CDT, 26 June 2010 >>

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havz0r

BTW I'm an arm player, I aim with a BIT of wrist but mostly arm. (if that helps)

If that's the case, then a lowish no-accel sens would be best suited for you. In 99% of the cases accel's sole purpose is to turn usual noaccel arm movements into wrist movements. If you're already comfortable and used to aiming with whole arm+wrist, there is no need for accel, you will have much more consistent aim without it.

QL's in_mouse 2 + noaccel + 500hz usb + 160 hz monitor refresh is the purest, best and most responsive mouse feel I have ever experienced. You just CANNOT aim badly with this.

Edited by havz0r at 15:16 CDT, 26 June 2010

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therm - Reply to #78

i dont c any difference between 120/170hz on my crt

120hz is all u need same as 500hz for the mouse

1000hz on the mouse and higher than 120 on the crt is pure placebo

it does nothing beside eating up cpu (mouse) and destroying your eyes (crt)

Edited by 7herm at 05:52 CDT, 27 June 2010

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ini - Reply to #79

Higher refresh destroys your eyes?

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kevz - Reply to #80

id like to know this too :P

<< Comment #82 @ 08:04 CDT, 27 June 2010 >>

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havz0r - Reply to #80

Higher refresh is always better for the eyes. I think (and hope) he was referring to the fact that a CRT is more damaging than a LCD, because of radiation shit.

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<< Comment #83 @ 08:47 CDT, 27 June 2010 >>

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ini - Reply to #82

I hope so too, but he did say eyes :/

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therm - Reply to #82

nope u understood it correctly

i know that in theory higher=better but my placebozed experience tells me that after longer play on 170hz my eyes re much more wasted than on 120hz

but it may be something with my crt then

<< Comment #84 @ 08:49 CDT, 27 June 2010 >>

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onaturazvan

Hey guys !

I played quake since quake 1 but only for fun and took many breaks , that makes me an average player towards superficial.

But I have a question : could you explain how could av3k at recent "DreamHack Summer 2010" move so fast on maps.
Maybe it''s only me, but his movement seemed faster than all players (I notice he did many 360 degree movements in his play).

Sry, if I changed the topic's thread.

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therm - Reply to #84

placebo

maybe he bumped more corners than the other = it looked like hes traveling fatser

360s re just pure accel fun nothing else

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crea* ' - Reply to #84

avek's very good at moving fast + he was in the zone = a lot of perfect turns and perfect corner clipping

<< Comment #87 @ 11:04 CDT, 27 June 2010 >>

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sTPHN

sensitivity 20
accel 1
yaw / pitch 0.00275

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GreenMeanie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

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xok

Currently using a Xai @ 1000dpi, 500hz
1 sens, 0.04accel, no senscap, no yaw changes, default accelstyle

i found accel 'feels' good for all weps BUT rail, turned it off for my rail

Is this a good solution? I feel like my rail is much better in situations where you 'should' use rails, but i wouldn't trust my ability to do a 180degree flick to clutch kill someone,.... you know?

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bates - Reply to #92

Would appreciate good setting tips f�r Xai too! ... I'm not really happy with my current sense and mouse style so i'm searching for something more compfortable.

Maybe someone can help me out?