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Best place to buy laptop in the US? (18 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 09:38 CDT, 9 May 2013 - iMsg
Figured id buy a laptop in the US since they are a bit cheaper there..but which site has the best prices for laptops? Should i just buy one form

Any suggestion is welcome.
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HIEN hard not available anymore? (12 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 09:08 CDT, 26 March 2013 - iMsg

Am i blind? Where the hack is it...
Desperately need to replace my old 2year old Hien Hard with a brand new one...
If it indeed isn't available for purchase anywhere anymore. What would be the best replacement for it ..or what is the closest approximation of it.
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I have this idea,... (8 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 16:56 CST, 31 January 2012 - iMsg
If we could find out how much the rigts to quakelive cost, prolly no more then 50 000$,,dunno, lets say its 50k$, we could then create a company that would be completely transparent and worked like democracy, where people would donate to this company and by doing so automatically becoming a "share-holder" , so theoretically 500 people could donate 100$ (for example) and "run" the company, if the target ask price isnt reached, the donations are refunded.
So if it works, with proper advertising, these people who initially donated could get their money back and programmers would actually be payed. So then we can fix quakelive.

This is idea is obviously not going to happen, ever, but i just wonder how much money ID would ask for a practically dead game.
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FAST non-jitter mousepad for abyssus (45 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 08:46 CST, 15 January 2012 - iMsg
So i've had my new abyssus for about 2 weeks now, still getting used to the shape, but otherwise feels pretty good.

Im not entirely sure, but i think i have a jitter problem : Those lines were made with a relatively fast mouse movement.

Im using an Artisan Hien 3g HARD atm. Because i used to play with plastic mousepads only in the past and in 2001 hated cloth pads such as allsop raindrop for the incredibly high friction.

I need a cloth/hybrid mousepad which is very fast / low friction and doesn't jitter with the abyssus.

I found this thread on esr.

But can't find the Thread with the mouse pad speed discussion / categorizing.

Suggest away:)
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Best claw grip, wrist only mouse? (101 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 05:50 CST, 4 December 2011 - iMsg
Looking to replace my DA with something that feels more natural for my claw grip and wrist only play.

Can't fucking decide between g9x, CM STORM COOLER MASTER,kinzu and the abbysus.
All seem to have a good sensor, only CM STORM seems it needs patches/fixes installed before it works proper, but if the fixes work like they should then that isnt a problem. g9x and the CM storm look like they have the best shape (love the rubbery side also)

Any claw grip and wrist only players out there with experience?

Thanks for your suggestions :)
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dhw day 3 highlights video (4 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 07:24 CST, 29 November 2011 - iMsg
Day1&2 highlight vids were great, does anyone have the link to the day3 vid? kay,thanks
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broke my DA :( (24 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 07:52 CDT, 25 August 2011 - iMsg
So about a month ago i spilt some water over my mouse and decided to dry it with a hairdryer, which turns out was a wonderful idea because it bent the plastic and now the mouse1 button is fucked.

Anyhow, i am a claw grip player, only wrist+fingers are used, my hand is stationary.

My question is, would you recommend an Abbysus which i am thinking of buying and would the lesser sensor make a difference.

From the Pros i think only killsen plays this way, tho he has an g9x (?)

Abbysus+artisan hien hard = winning combination? :)
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Everyone can Astral Project (256 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 20:15 CDT, 12 May 2011 - iMsg

Short video tutorial of how to achieve astral projection. The reason why i am posting this here, is because, this guy seems no different from any of us and explains in a simple easy to understand fashion how to do this.

I have to point out that anyone can do it and in a very short period of time. Some get it in the first try, with others it takes 2-3 tries tops.

Looking forward to hearing what you guys experience ;)

Seriously try it out, you wont believe how fucking awesome this is until you give it a go.

(for those who perhaps will have some trouble understanding the instructions , here he (the same guy) helps clear up a few issues )

gl hf
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Future Of Gaming? (57 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 10:43 CDT, 2 April 2011 - iMsg
Is this the future?Miguel says in the interview with John Stewart that people who are paralyzed from the neck down, will be able to operate their hydraulic suit with just thinking/brainwaves.Supposedly this suit will be available for purchase in 2-3 years time.

Miguel Angelo Laporta Nicolelis, MD, PhD, is a Brazilian physician and scientist, best known for his pioneering work in "reading monkey thought". He and his colleagues implanted electrode arrays into a monkey's brain that were able to detect the monkey's motor intent and thus able to control reaching and grasping movements performed by a robotic arm. This was possible by decoding signals of hundreds of neurons recorded in volitional areas of the cerebral cortex while the monkey played with a hand-held joystick to move a shape in a video game. These signals were sent to the robot arm, which then mimicked the monkey's movements and thus controlled the game. After a while the monkey realised that thinking about moving the shape was enough and it no longer needed to move the joystick. So it let go of the joystick and controlled the game purely through thought. A system in which brain signals directly control an artificial actuator is commonly referred to as brain-machine interface or brain-computer interface.


So is this the end of keyboards,mice and mouse-pads :D ?!
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Future Of Gaming? (1 comment)
Posted by r1ddler @ 10:34 CDT, 2 April 2011 - iMsg
Is this the future?Miguel says in the interview with John Stewart that people who are paralyzed from the neck down, will be able to operate their hydraulic suit with just thinking/brainwaves.Supposedly this suit will be available for purchase in 2-3 years time.

Miguel Angelo Laporta Nicolelis, MD, PhD, is a Brazilian physician and scientist, best known for his pioneering work in "reading monkey thought". He and his colleagues implanted electrode arrays into a monkey's brain that were able to detect the monkey's motor intent and thus able to control reaching and grasping movements performed by a robotic arm. This was possible by decoding signals of hundreds of neurons recorded in volitional areas of the cerebral cortex while the monkey played with a hand-held joystick to move a shape in a video game. These signals were sent to the robot arm, which then mimicked the monkey's movements and thus controlled the game. After a while the monkey realised that thinking about moving the shape was enough and it no longer needed to move the joystick. So it let go of the joystick and controlled the game purely through thought. A system in which brain signals directly control an artificial actuator is commonly referred to as brain-machine interface or brain-computer interface.


So is this the end of keyboards,mice and mousepads :D ?!
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Latest UPDATE RL/LG (111 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 21:10 CDT, 18 March 2011 - iMsg
I don't understand you people, LG fucking rapes now, even at close range, and you still want to nerf rockets, i don't get it. Seriously you can dance around an rl player with lg, dealing tons of dmg and receiving almost none.

Please ID don't make quake an LG only noobshit game.

Its fine now, rails are easier and don't go through randomly, sg made a comeback, which i love (it always has been an important weapon to master in TDM) and lg feels much easier now.

I don't know, how to improve Duel to make it less +b, its prolly all down too maps, same with CTF, only good maps are c7 and c2, all other maps are a snooze fest 2def +b 1:0 30min games, seriously.

Just make the maps a bit smaller in ctf and duel?
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BURN A QURAN DAY (105 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 12:09 CDT, 8 September 2010 - iMsg
?! :))


but in all seriousness ,this quran burning -NYC mosque bullshit is getting out of hand ,.. media over there is doing an excellent job fulling the flames-idiots can't wait to invade some more Muslim countries :PPP
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33 Conspiracy Theories (146 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 18:37 CDT, 1 September 2010 - iMsg
33 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true

previous link doesn't work :

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Solar System Undergoing Global Warming (417 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 11:33 CDT, 23 August 2010 - iMsg
hello my internet friends.This time im opening a discussion on Global Warming observed on all planets in the solar system
hope you have fun :x

This is a fact that not many people know about, and quite a few people, would like that there was no evidence to back this fact, because some people would like the world to believe that human activity is the cause for global warming on Earth. I am not advocating that releasing harmful gases, and chemicals in the oceans and atmosphere are good, but after a few years of research, I have come to understand that global warming is happening in the Solar System, not just on Earth.

Some people just want to listen to what some environmentalists are claiming, that global warming is happening because of human activity, and we are the cause for the extreme changes in climate we have been seeing lately getting worse and worse.

I will let now the facts speak for themselves as to what is really happening.

Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest.

Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars' surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars. Besides tracking seasonal changes, such as the advance and retreat of polar dry ice, the orbiter is returning evidence useful for learning about longer-term dynamics.

Martian Ice Shrinking Dramatically

New gullies that did not exist in mid-2002 have appeared on a Martian sand dune.

That's just one of the surprising discoveries that have resulted from the extended life of NASA's Mars Global Surveyor, which this month began its ninth year in orbit around Mars. Boulders tumbling down a Martian slope left tracks that weren't there two years ago. New impact craters formed since the 1970s suggest changes to age-estimating models. And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress.[q]

[q]Prediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
Philip S. Marcus

Top of pageJupiter's atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices, the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and three White Ovals that had formed1 in the 1930s. The Great Red Spot has been observed2 continuously since 1665 and, given the dynamical similarities between the Great Red Spot and the White Ovals, the disappearance3, 4 of two White Ovals in 1997−2000 was unexpected. Their longevity and sudden demise has been explained5 however, by the trapping of anticyclonic vortices in the troughs of Rossby waves, forcing them to merge. Here I propose that the disappearance of the White Ovals was not an isolated event, but part of a recurring climate cycle which will cause most of Jupiter's vortices to disappear within the next decade. In my numerical simulations, the loss of the vortices results in a global temperature change of about 10 K, which destabilizes the atmosphere and thereby leads to the formation of new vortices. After formation, the large vortices are eroded by turbulence over a time of 60 years—consistent with observations of the White Ovals—until they disappear and the cycle begins again.

Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002

BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary Sciences in Birmingham, AL.

The team, led by James Elliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT and director of MIT's Wallace Observatory, made this finding by watching the dimming of a star when Pluto passed in front of it Aug. 20. The team carried out observations using eight telescopes at Mauna Kea Observatory, Haleakala, Lick Observatory, Lowell Observatory and Palomar Observatory. Data were successfully recorded at all sites.

An earlier attempt to observe an occultation of Pluto on July 19 in Chile was not highly successful. Observations were made from only two sites with small telescopes because the giant telescopes and other small telescopes involved lost out to bad weather or from being in the wrong location that day. These two occultations were the first to be successfully observed for Pluto since 1988.

That's a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the sun?

Pluto thought to be warming up
Astronomers at the University of Tasmania have found that the solar system's smallest planet is not getting colder as first thought and it probably does not have rings.

Dr John Greenhill has collected observations from last month's event when Pluto passed in front of a bright star, making it easier to study.

French scientists have shared the measurements they took in Tasmania that night, which indicate that the planet is unlikely to have rings.

Dr Greenhill says the results are surprising because they show Pluto is warming up.

"It looks as though the atmosphere has not changed from 2002, which is pretty surprising because we expected the atmosphere would freeze out as the planet moved further away from the Sun," he said.

"But so far, if anything, the atmosphere has gotten even denser."

The following is a site which was made by several scientists who have no links with any government, or corporation, their findings are very interresting and give a different picture as to what is causing global warming. I can't quote any excerpts as there is a copyright issue, but I will post the link. Anyone interested in that information should read that site.

Is the solar system entering a nearby interstellar cloud
Vidal-Madjar, A.; Laurent, C.; Bruston, P.; Audouze, J.
AA(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AB(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AC(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AD(Meudon Observatoire, Hauts-de-Seine; Paris XI, Universite, Orsay, Essonne, France)
Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 223, July 15, 1978, p. 589-600. (ApJ Homepage)
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Observational arguments in favor of such a cloud are presented, and implications of the presence of a nearby cloud are discussed, including possible changes in terrestrial climate. It is suggested that the postulated interstellar cloud should encounter the solar system at some unspecified time in the 'near' future and might have a drastic influence on terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years.

ESA sees stardust storms heading for Solar System

Date Released: Monday, August 18, 2003
Source: Artemis Society

Until ten years ago, most astronomers did not believe stardust could enter our Solar System. Then ESA's Ulysses spaceprobe discovered minute stardust particles leaking through the Sun's magnetic shield, into the realm of Earth and the other planets. Now, the same spaceprobe has shown that a flood of dusty particles is heading our way.
What is surprising in this new Ulysses discovery is that the amount of stardust has continued to increase even after the solar activity calmed down and the magnetic field resumed its ordered shape in 2001.

Scientists believe that this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during solar maximum. Instead of reversing completely, flipping north to south, the Sun's magnetic poles have only rotated at halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun's equator. This weaker configuration of the magnetic shield is letting in two to three times more stardust than at the end of the 1990s. Moreover, this influx could increase by as much as ten times until the end of the current solar cycle in 2012.
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Cancer Cures (138 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 07:19 CDT, 23 June 2010 - iMsg
Do you know someone who has Cancer? There are Cures and You can help !
If you need any further info send me a PM and i will do my best

by: by Daniel Haley
Volume 26 Issue 9
September, 2003

Dan Haley served for six years in the Albany Legislature and became chair of the Legislature's Joint Commission on Energy in 1975. He launched a campaign against nuclear power and wrote and passed legislation that created the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority. Dan is author of Politics in Healing: Suppression and Manipulation of American Medicine, a book which presents documented facts that clearly illustrate the suppression of new unconventional medical treatments. The book is introduced by Dr. Julian Whitaker who tells us, "The book is extensively documented and well researched. There is a common pattern in the book. Authority figures first recognize and acknowledge the value of the discovery, then try to separate the innovator from his discovery, usually with profit in mind, and finally pursue a course to destroy the discoverer. Valuable therapies have been buried and the lives of innovative scientists have been shattered! As incredible as these stories are, they are true!" This book can be a sourcebook of information as well as a call to action.

POLITICS IN HEALING My book is about political intrusion into medicine. It contains ten stories about wonderful therapies, most of them for cancer, and most of them breakthroughs of Nobel Prize quality. Most of them are no longer available to us, not because they didn't work, but for political reasons, because of interference by government and prestigious private institutions. They have deliberately misrepresented, ignored and suppressed these non-toxic advances in medicine. In many stories the patterns are the same. The American Medical Association (AMA) tried to obtain the rights for the treatment. When their offer was refused, they denounced it as quackery and suppressed the therapies. The FDA was created in 1906 by Congress to make sure that foods are pure and drugs are safe, but it has drifted way off course, frequently being more interested in approving harmful drugs than harmless ones, especially those capable of competing with prescription drugs.

IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE, STOP DIGGING THE HOLE YOU'RE IN The fourth leading cause of death is from the effects of FDA approved pharmaceutical drugs used as directed. That doesn't even include the mistakes, which make it even worse. Research compiled over a 30-year period was recently published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.Results of the study of hospitalized patients showed that an average of 106,000 people per year were dying from the effects of drugs used as directed. Subsequently, the Harvard School of Public Health and the Centers for Disease Control claimed that the number of deaths published in the study was too low, and 175,000 per year was more accurate. Meanwhile, the National Cancer Institute (NCI), which is supposed to look for a cure for cancer, increases its budget every year. Confucius said, if you find you're in a hole, the very first thing to do is to stop digging. Effective and non-toxic products (many for cancer) have been shoved aside during most of the 20th century in favour of "approved" therapies, usually extremely toxic, which did not win their approval in the open competition of a free market.Instead their approval was dictated by "Official Medicine" which consists of the FDA, AMA, National Institutes of Health (NIH), National Cancer Institute, as well as American Cancer Society, Memorial Sloan Kettering Hospital, Mayo Clinic and others. The NCI has investigated and knows about every cancer treatment I describe in my book. They have all the files. At the moment in the US you cannot make health claims unless you pay about $800 million or so to go through the FDA approval process.

A FREE MARKET Cancer would not be the great problem it is now, because it could be treated early with a number of non-toxic therapies. People might finally get the point that chemotherapy is poison and only works about 2% of the time according to peer reviewed studies in prestigious journals. We want a healthcare system based on the good old basic principles of "do no harm". If a therapy does no harm, leave it alone. Let it into the market and see what it can do. Prices would absolutely collapse because competition drives down prices.

CONTROL OF THE MARKET BY THE MEDICAL ASSOCIATIONS We need very tough legislation in both Canada and the U.S.There are two principal impediments to non-toxic health breakthroughs: 1. The FDA simply prevents effective new alternative treatments from coming on the market, or tries to drive them off the market. 2. The American Medical Association controls doctors' licenses so that if they do not abide by the pharmaceutical protocol (if they start using 714-X for instance) they may lose their license. This goes on in Canada too. In the U.S. the American Medical Association controls State Medical Societies, which in turn control State Medical Boards, which have the authority under the law to grant a physician's license or take it away. When FDA employees retire after they've got their pension, two-thirds to three-quarters of them take plush jobs with thepharmaceutical companies. They may have a pension of $75,000 as well as another $100,000 from a drug company job. This is something they can all take for granted in the FDA culture if they don't rock the boat. Needless to say, their objectivity during their career with the FDA is somewhat biased. In the case of the American Medical Association (AMA) it's a little bit different. The AMA puts out a number of journals including the JAMA. But the major source of income for the AMA is advertisements paid for by pharmaceutical companies in their journals. Dr. Abram Hoffer pointed out that 70% of the pages of the Journal are drug ads. You'll never find any ad for amino acids or vitamins or mineral supplements. Naturally, their objectivity is somewhat warped and if doctors begin using non-pharmaceutical drug therapies, they end up in trouble. Drug companies own the medical schools, the medical profession and the FDA.


1. HOXSEY HERBS - HARRY HOXSEY The Hoxsey treatment is a non-toxic enormously effective herbal tonic and salve. It has been 80% effective for over 80 years. The Hoxsey treatment was discovered by "horse sense". In 1840, John Hoxsey had a horse that developed cancer in its hind leg,. He noticed that the horse always browsed in a certain area of the pasture. After about two weeks the running sore from the cancer had congealed and hardened, and after another two weeks it became very hard and finally fell off. That was the end of the cancer. Hoxsey went out and gathered up the herbs that the horse instinctively had been browsing. He studied the herbs during the winter and created a tonic and salves that you can apply topically to sores. They are still in use today. The salves help tumours on the skin to just dry up and fall off. The treatment was passed down through generations to Harry Hoxsey who wrote a book called You Don't Have to Die in 1956. Harry Hoxsey had a clinic in downtown Dallas for about 30 years, where he was assisted by his head nurse Mildred Nelson. Hoxsey wasn't a doctor, but he knew how to mix the formulas for the doctors on his staff. He was hauled off to jail at least five times for practicing medicine without a license. Finally in 1960, he closed down the clinic in Texas and moved it to Mexico. They called the new clinic Centro Bio-Medico. The clinic is in a magnificent building on a hill overlooking the bay of San Diego and is one of the best and loveliest in Tijuana and it is still going strong. The Hoxsey treatment also works on brain tumours. This treatment is still the best one I know of for external cancers or anything on the surface. The clinic in Tijuana Mexico is presently run by Mildred Nelson's sister. In Canada, the Essiac treatment is very similar to the Hoxsey. The Hoxsey Clinic, Centro Biomedico, Tijuana, Mexico 011-52-66-84-9011

2. GLYOXYLIDE - DR. WILLIAM F. KOCH, MD (1885-1967) Dr. William Frederick Koch received his PhD in biochemistry in 1916 from the University of Michigan where he was instructor of histology and embryology. Koch hypothesized that cancer and other diseases result from a breakdown in the body's oxidation system and that where there is healthy oxidation there is no disease. Observing that the heart and brain tissues are extremely resistant to starvation, he deduced that they must be rich in certain substances that produce energy. He discovered these substances to be carbonyl compounds fundamental to the body's oxidation process. He set about to create a synthetic carbonyl catalyst which he called Glyoxylide. Glyoxylide is an oxidation catalyst; it could supply missing carbonyls and restart the impaired oxidation process, which would then destroy toxins in the body. Koch taught that disease occurs when a toxin weakens the carbonyls, diminishing oxidation efficiency. An astounding aspect of the Koch therapy was its ability to cause regrowth to normalcy of tissues and organs badly damaged by cancer. From the 1920s to the 1950s, Dr. Koch was curing cancer with one shot of Glyoxylide, a substance he discovered. Dr. Koch is now virtually forgotten and the cancer epidemic rages on. He was persecuted relentlessly by the FDA in two trials in the 1940s and repeatedly denounced as a quack by the editor of the JAMA after he refused to sell his discovery to the AMA. Yet there are still people alive today whose lives were saved by one shot of the Koch remedy. He wrote a book called Natural Immunity .

3. RIFE MICROSCOPE AND FREQUENCY MACHINE - ROYAL RIFE(1889-1971). Royal Rife created a microscope that could reveal live virus-size microbes. He could clearly see bacteria changing forms (pleomorphism). Even the best electron microscopes today cannot see viruses in their live state. His microscope had a maximum magnification of 17,000 times. Many articles were written about his microscope (Popular Science, July, 1931; Science, December 1 1931 and Science News Letter, Dec 12, 1931; Proceedings of the Staff Minutes of the Mayo Clinic, July 23, 1932; and Science August 26, 1932 entitled "Observations with the Rife Microscope of Filter-Passing Forms of Micro-Organisms"). These articles brought Rife to the attention of some of the most prominent researchers of the time including Dr. Arthur Kendall and Dr. Milbank Johnson. After almost a decade of research in the 1920s, Rife discovered the virus that could cause cancer. Under his microscope, he was able to observe the cancer microbe changing from a bacteria to a virus-size microbe. He discovered that the virus can readily change into different forms of its life cycle by the media upon which it is grown (in other words unhealthy changes in the blood can change it into a virulent form). Therefore a simple blood test would indicate the presence of an organism capable of causing cancer if the blood's environment changes. The contemporary Gaston Naessens of Quebec has discovered another version of this test (see story #7). Rife then created a frequency-emitting ray tube capable of killing the microbe that caused human cancer. He found the mortal oscillatory rates for many organisms so that the Beam Ray can be tuned to a germ's recorded frequency and kill that organism. This frequency instrument was actually successfully curing cancer in the 30s and 40s. At the request of Dr. Milbank Johnson, Rife set up a cancer clinic in the summer of 1934, and their research produced 16 cures out of 16 terminal cancer cases of various types. Then the San Diego Medical Society informed all doctors using the Rife machine that if they continued to use it they would lose their medical licenses. For a while everybody backed off, but Rife began to manufacture them again in the 50s.
Dr. Hector Romero was responsible for resurrecting the lost Rife technology which is alive and well in Hermosillo in the state of Sonora, Mexico. There is also a machine in Toronto, the Quantum (QXI). Rife invented another machine that stimulates the flow of the lymph system and the venous circulation. The Rife technology is not permitted to be used openly in the United States. It's around but you can't really advertise it. Dr. Romero told me that the blue Rife light has so far reversed five brain tumours and he described many miraculous cures. All this was accomplished by technologies we are not allowed to use. Hopefully, at some point that will change and we will be able to use them. The science of today still hasn't caught up with Royal Rife. Something wonderful for humanity has been lost.
The Cancer Cure That Worked by Barry Lynes; The Royal Rife Report by Borderland Sciences; The Rife Way by Mark Simpson. What Became of the Rife Microscope? by Christopher Bird (East-West Magazine) For information on the Rife microscope, see "The New Microscopes" by Dr. RE Seidel and Elizabeth Winter, Journal of the Franklin Institute and Smithsonian Annual Report. 1944.

4. KREBIOZEN - DR. ANDREW IVY, MD I think that Krebiozen (Greek, that which regulates growth) is the most shocking story of all. Dr. Stefan Durovic from Yugoslavia developed a very brilliant cancer cure. Dr. Durovic obtained Krebiozen by inoculating horses with a fungus and developing a process to extract a protective substance, which he regarded as growth regulating type of hormone. Dr. Durovic's theory was that the uncontrolled cell growth of cancer was caused by a deficiency in growth-regulating hormones. Krebiozen in effect would restore balance between growth producing and growth restraining activities in the patient's cells, thus returning the cancerous cells to normal. In 1947, Dr. Durovic read an article published by Dr. Andrew Ivy in Science, proposing that there must be a substance in the human body which normally protects it against cancer and routinely destroys cancer cells (one such substance had already been discovered by Dr. Koch - carbonyls). At the time, Dr. Ivy was vice-president of the University of Illinois and one of the most famous scientists in the world. Dr. Durovic came to the US and asked Dr. Ivy to test Krebiozen. Dr. Ivy agreed, tested it for toxicity, then gave it to a number of hopelessly terminal cancer patients. In most cases the cancer disappeared. Dr. Ivy continued to do research on Krebiozen and had success in 70% of the cases. In April 1951, Dr. Durovic received offers from two large pharmaceutical companies, Abbott and Lilly, for the right to market Krebiozen. However, Dr. Durovic wanted more research done and refused both offers. He was later threatened that the AMA would make sure that Krebiozen was completely destroyed if Durovic did not allow distribution rights to two individuals they were connected with.
At that time Dr. Ivy was a world-renowned scientist. Despite cautions from the AMA, Dr. Ivy refused to disassociate himself from Krebiozen and was soon expelled from the Chicago Medical Society, and forced to resign from the vice-presidency of the University of Illinois. In 1954, Legislative Committee Hearings supported Dr. Ivy's research and thoroughly discredited the AMA's Status Report on Krebiozen but the Report was never withdrawn and remains the AMA's official position. Unfortunately, Krebiozen was eventually stamped out by the FDA, but prior to that it cured many people of cancer. In 1963, Krebiozen patients demonstrated in front of the White House, demanding their continuing access to Krebiozen. In 1964, the FDA indicted Dr. Durovic and Dr. Ivy, one of the most respected scientists in America, who had organized ongoing research on the drug.
Once again a remarkable medicine has been lost and forgotten. Unlike some of the others treatments that can be found underground, I could not find Krebiozen anywhere. Hopefully it can be reproduced some day. Chicago medical journalist Herbert Bailey wrote K-Krebiozen - Key to Cancer? (1953) and A Matter of Life and Death - The Incredible Story of Krebiozen (1958). Congressional Record of December 6, 1963 on Krebiozen. Observations on Krebiozen in the Management of Cancer by Andrew Ivy, MD.

5. DMSO - DR. STANLEY JACOB The drug, DMSO, or dimethylsulfoxide, is cheap and abundant. It can be extracted from coal, oil, or most commonly lignin, the material nature uses to cement cells together in trees. It is a commercial solvent used in many industrial processes, therefore it cannot be stamped out. It can be easily bought in many hardware stores, but commercial grade DMSO contains impurities. It can be easily administered by dabbing it on the skin. It is a safe and effective non-toxic drug. DMSO has been represented as a wonder or miracle drug by reputable physicians. It has the widest range of therapeutic applications of any single chemical. DMSO promotes better blood flow by dilating blood vessels, increasing flow of blood to the brain and spinal cord. DMSO protects nerve cells following an injury. DMSO is a scavenger of highly toxic hydroxy radicals; therefore it reduces inflammation. If given soon after a stroke, will dissolve the clot that causes the stroke, thus restoring circulation and avoiding paralysis. It must be given within the first few hours and intravenously if possible. Dr. Jacobs has given DSMO to paraplegics and little by little they regained use of limbs. DMSO has been shown to be anti-viral, causing an increase in the production of interferon. DMSO is a potent detoxifier. It rapidly penetrates the cells and cleans them of toxins. It is useful for treating headaches, cold sores, sinusitis, frostbite, radiation exposure, schizophrenia, lupus, arthritis, sprains, and veterinarian use. It can even be used in agriculture.
The FDA decided that DMSO was a dangerous drug and notified all the drug companies involved in DMSO research (Squibb, Syntex, Merck) to halt all clinical trials. Then they issued press releases that DMSO caused cataracts even though DMSO had never caused cataracts in any study, animal or human. On the contrary, research has shown that DMSO improves vision and is an effective treatment for retinitis pigmentosa and macular degeneration. The FDA used the bogus issue of eye damage for several decades to hold back DMSO. DMSO is seven times safer than aspirin yet has been persecuted for decades by the FDA. Pharma 21, 1363 Shinly, Suite 100, Escondido, Ca 92026 The Persecuted Drug - The Story of DMSO by Pat McGrady Sr.; DMSO, Nature's Healer by Dr. Morton Walker contains the formula for a DMSO/hematoxylon combination used to treat cancer.

6. COLOSTRUM Herb Saunders developed a special media in which he was able to see live spirochetes in the blood, and determine what substance could kill them. This enabled him to conclude which antibiotic would work on a particular spirochete. Doctors working this way could be much more effective in treating their patients. Former Congressman Berkley Bedell of Iowa was cured of Lyme disease by the colostrum "targeted" against the spirochete that causes Lyme disease. This was achieved by injecting a killed Lyme spirochete into the udder of a cow three weeks before her calf was born. The cow's colostrum then contained antibodies against the Lyme spirochete. There is no known limit to what can be produced by the targeted colostrum method. It presumably could provide a cure for TB even protection against anthrax or other bacteria. It has been used successfully against cancer in animals. Targeted colostrums have been successfully tested by independent researchers against pseudomonas, salmonella and cryptospiridium and have been shown to be helpful in the treatment of multiple sclerosis.
When a colostrum drink was shown to be effective against arthritis, the FDA squelched it. The NCI and the NIH showed no interest in testing it, discouraged the private sector from developing it, and put Herb Saunders, the farmer who developed it, on trial for practicing medicine without a license. So, his reward was that the Attorney General of Illinois sent a swat team in and closed him right down, seizing all his equipment. I still can't quite understand that because, frankly, he was making antibiotics more effective. This type of research might enable us to deal effectively with serious diseases like MS, Lou Gehrig's etc.

7. 714-X - GASTON NAESSENS One of your great Canadian scientists, Gaston Naessens in Quebec, developed a therapy called 714-X which strengthens the immune system and increases the flow of lymph. Gaston Naessens has also created the best microscope since the time of Royal Rife. (described in Haley's book p.247). Naessens' microscope has a magnification of 30,000 times, a resolution in the range of 150 angstroms and can reveal live particles in the blood, which he calls somatids (Greek for essential bodies). Naessens teaches that healthy blood contains three basic forms of somatids, which produce a particle responsible for cell division, a kind of growth hormone. Without this particle, cell division does not occur. (this same growth hormone was called a "trephone" by Nobel Laureate Alexis Carrel). In a healthy person, inhibitors regulate the trephones - a strong 'gate control' keeps the somatid cycle from expanding beyond the normal three. Under conditions of stress, trauma or toxicity, the inhibitors diminish and excess growth hormones appear. The normal somatid cycle of three begins to expand evolving from one stage to the next, changing forms (pleomorphism) to as many as 16. These new forms give a warning signal years before the appearance of cancer in the body. It is likely a person with the somatid macrocycle (of 16 forms) will develop a degenerative disease such as cancer within two years unless preventive steps are taken. Gaston's live blood test can predict the emergence of cancer five years before it manifests in the body. People go there regularly to have their blood tested. Other people in Canada also know this technology. The electron microscope does not see the live somatid cycle because it does not see live material and the somatids are assumed to be fibrin formations or artifacts.
Cancer cells draw nitrogen from normal cells and produce a carcinogenic factor that virtually paralyzes the immune system. At that point the somatid cycle goes into 16 stages and the growth hormones it produces stimulate cell division and proliferation of cancer cells. 714-X supplies a combined molecule of nitrogen and camphor to the cells, both of which has a greater affinity for cancer cells than normal cells, which arrests the carcinogenic factor. 714-X is given in small doses so as not to dump toxins out of the lymph too rapidly and overwhelm the liver and organs of elimination. 714-X is completely non-toxic and causes no negative side effects. It does not directly attack cancerous growths. All it does is reestablish the body's natural immune system so that it can go back to its normal function of killing cancer cells. The lymph is the body's drainage and sewage system. In sick people, the lymph tends to clog up like jelly and its ability to drain off toxins ceases. But within the first hour of one injection of 714-X, the lymph is liquefied and flows better and the toxins can be eliminated. This is one of the reasons why the Naessens therapy is so successful.
Dr. William Robb, acting head of the NIH with other Washington officials visited Naessens, saw the microscope and saw the somatids and their cycles and learned about 714X. The NIH, however, did not investigate further. In 1974, scientists from Sloan Kettering visited Naessens and wrote, "&this is a microscope that reveals with spectacular clarity the motion and multiplicity of pleomorphic organisms in the blood which are intimately associated with disease states. The implications are staggering. It is imperative that its inventor be totally reviewed and given facilities to continue his research. I am convinced that is an authentic genius&" Their recommendations were immediately rejected because Naessens' name was on the American Cancer Society's blacklist. In 1989, the Quebec Medical Association seized his files, and Naessens was arrested for "being an accessory to murder". During Naessens' ensuing trial, Dr. Michel Fabre from France testified that Naessens' discovery of the somatid cycle was more important than any discoveries made by Pasteur in the past century. Naessens was acquitted. After his trial, 714-X was accepted under Canada's Emergency Drug Release Act, which permits unapproved drugs to be acquired by patients with life-threatening illnesses. Doctors began using 714-X. Naessens achieved fame, growing acceptance and most important, legalization.
Although there was only one Somatoscope, Naessens designed a condenser, which can be fitted onto any light microscope rendering it powerful enough to see the somatids and their cycle, priced around $1,800. By 1998, 2000 Canadian doctors were giving 714-X and its use has spread to 45 countries. In 1995, Naessens created the International Academy of Somatidian Orthobiology to teach his science to health professionals. Royal Rife's story is a tragedy, with his work and technology forgotten, but we have a second chance with the work of Gaston Naessens. Will we take advantage of his genius while he is still alive? The Trial and Persecution of Gaston Naessens and Gaston Naessens, Galileo of the Microscope by Christopher Bird.

From 1958 to 1980, Dr. Becker was chief of orthopedic research at the Veterans Administration (VA) Hospital in Syracuse, NY. During those years, he published 150 papers in medical journals and was twice nominated for the Nobel Prize. In 1980, his funds were cut off because of Department of Defense (DoD) irritation with Becker's warnings of the dangers of exposure to electromagnetic (EM) fields. During his 12 years of research, Dr. Becker discovered: ª how the salamander regenerates its limbs with a negative electric potential which facilitates the formation of undifferentiated cells at the stump; ª an electrical system in all animals travelling along the perineural cells along the nerves, controlling growth and healing; ª techniques for electrical stimulation of bone healing including non-union fractures; ª effects of low frequency electromagnetic (EM) fields on human cells; ª method of dedifferentiating frogs' red blood cells (turning them back to primitive or undifferentiated cells) using electric currents, something known to be impossible; ª silver electrode technique to dedifferentiate human fibroblast cells, something known to be impossible; ª technique to dedifferentiate human cancer cells and revert them to normal cells, something known to be impossible; ª aspects of the electrical nature of the acupuncture system; ª the quantity of voltage which causes electrolysis in the body; ª how to cure osteomyelitis (infected bone) with silver and electric currents; ª non-toxic electromagnetic anesthesia; ª a clue to the cause and cure of osteoporosis. All these discoveries were published in medical journals and many were Nobel Prize material. With sufficient funds, Becker believes he could achieve spinal chord regeneration. Dr. Becker published his research on producing stem cells in the late 1970s, but nobody paid any attention. When his lab was forced to close in 1980, it was the only one in the world doing research in regeneration. Had Dr. Becker's funding continued, he probably would have shown how to regenerate limbs, shown how to revert cancer cells to normal and would have revolutionized medicine.
Dr. Daniel Kirsch had a PhD in neurobiology and served as the director of the Center for Pain and Stress-related Disorders at Columbia Medical Center in New York. He created a remarkable device called the Alpha-Stim 2000, which was loosely classified as TENS (transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation) but it was quite unique. While TENS units suppress pain by overriding body electricity with stronger currents, Kirsch's device used microcurrents similar to the body's own electricity. The Alpha-Stim was able to measure the body's normal current, determine to what extent it was altered at the site of a problem and supply the appropriate microcurrrent wave form to restore the normal flow of bioelectricity, thus healing the underlying cause of the problem. Kirsch's unit usually restored pain permanently, whereas an ordinary TENS unit will relieve pain only while the unit is connected. We could call electromedicine future science, except that it already exists. Robert Becker wrote Body Electric (1985), a description of his discoveries, and Cross Currents (1990), the promise of electromedicine and the perils of EM pollution.

9. HYDRAZINE SULFATE - DR. JOSEPH GOLD One of the worst and most ghastly suppressions was hydrazine sulfate. Hydrazine sulfate is a very cheap and legal chemical. It was used as rocket fuel. It is not for sale as medicine. A doctor in Syracuse, Dr. Joseph Gold, presented a paper theorizing that if you could stop the liver from reprocessing lactic acid (which is produced by cancer) into glucose (which feeds the cancer) if you could stop that vicious cycle, you could starve the cancer. The following year he went to a conference and heard that hydrazine sulfate stopped the liver from reprocessing lactic acid into glucose. So he went home to his lab in Syracuse and tested hydrazine sulfate on mice with cancer. Then Sloan Kettering became interested in testing it, so he set up research with them. His protocol was very simple it was something like 60 mg. of hydrazine sulfate a day. Shortly after the test began at Sloan Kettering, he discovered that the researcher was not giving the correct dosage. Dr. Gold told them that if they announced that hydrazine sulfate didn't work under the Gold protocol he would sue them. Instead, they announced that they had tested it but they weren't using it, which had the same effect of discrediting it. But there were a lot of doctors using it with great advantage and finally the NCI came and did a study of 600 patients. I have to point out that Gold had long since emphasized that you cannot use barbiturates, alcohol or tranquilizers when you take hydrazine sulfate. They are incompatible. He gave tranquilizers and hydrazine sulfate to rabbits and the rabbits all went into a coma. So the NCI did the study and all 600 patients died, every last one. Congress then investigated the NCI study and the NCI was furious. The investigation showed that the researchers had given tranquilizers to 94% of the patients, claiming that the "incompatible barbiturates" were a non-issue and they killed them. That's what is going on in America. Thousands of tests on hydrazine sulfate were done in Leningrad and about 400 in the United States, when Gold's recommendations were followed, about 50% of terminal cancer patients got well. Hydrazine sulfate is a legal drug in Canada and the treatment of choice for several types of cancer in Russia and Eastern European countries. In the U.S., Hydrazine sulfate is on the unproven or blacklist of the ACS and the FDA is still trying to make hydrazine sulfate illegal and restricts access to Dr. Burzynski's treatment. The legal chemical hydrazine sulfate may be purchased from most compounding pharmacies.

10. ANTINEOPLASTONS - DR. STANISLAW BURZYNSKI, MD, PhD Dr. Burzynski is brilliant. He earned both his MD and his PhD before he was 25. He came from Poland in 1970 with the secret of a faction present in the blood that he called antineoplastons. In 1974, he won a grant from the National Cancer Institute to continue his research in this blood faction. It turned out that it is a peptide, which is a cluster of amino acids, the building blocks of protein. He discovered that normal people have these antineoplastons, but cancer patients don't have them. These are anti-cancer agents. Dr Bursynski said that antineoplastons simply reprogram the cancer cells so that they behave normally again. He gave antineoplastons to a few cancer patients and they all recovered. Then he had a big problem. To apply for FDA approval, you have to do animal testing, but the antineoplastons are species specific - human antineoplastons won't work in animals. He went ahead and tested it on humans with brilliant success, got a lot of publicity and the hospital where he was doing the research immediately fired him. From then on he's been on his own and the FDA persecuted him for 25 years, summoned him on four grand juries all of which acquitted him, and a criminal trial which the FDA lost. You can get antineoplastons now in FDA trials, but to get them you have to take chemotherapy or some conventional treatment first which brings you to the edge of your grave, and then you can take the alternative treatment. S.R. Burzynski Clinic, Houston Texas 713-335-5697

Note: the human body has multiple attack systems for stopping cancer cells. Among these are:
1. carbonyls discovered by Dr. Koch, the basis for his Glyoxylide;
2. the growth regulating hormone, the basis for Krebiozen;
3. the naturally occurring peptides in Burzynski's antineoplastons.


SCHIZOPHRENIA - DR. ABRAM HOFFER Thirty years ago, Dr. Hoffer in Victoria, B.C. discovered that if you have schizophrenia, you're not crazy, you have a niacin deficiency. Abram Hoffer deserves a Nobel Prize. The treatment is three grams of niacin and niacinamide a day and zinc. In a couple of months you will go back to a normal life. That's the end of the schizophrenia but you have to continue taking niacin because schizophrenics have a built in deficiency of that vitamin.

HEART THERAPY - LINUS PAULING Few people know about this therapy. The treatment is six grams vitamin C, six grams of lysine and six grams of proline daily. Why aren't doctors using this?


Cancer Therapy: The Independent Consumer's Guide to Non-Toxic Treatmentby Ralph Moss, PhD
The Cancer Industry by Ralph Moss, PhD.
The Politics of Cancer by Samuel Epstein, MD
Alternatives in Cancer Therapy by R. Pelton PhD, and Lee Overholser PhD

I strongly recommend a new organization called the National Foundation for Alternative Medicine. Their goal is to investigate and independently validate alternative treatments from all over the globe. They have founded hospitals in Germany that are regularly curing 80% of all forms of cancers at a cost of about $2,500US a week, which is awfully cheap compared to some clinics. Their number is 1-888-484-0007, and their website is

The Persecution and Trial of Gaston Naessens: The True Story of the Efforts to Suppress an Alternative Treatment for Cancer, AIDS, and Other Immunologically Based Diseases

Dichloroacetic Acid (DCA) - Another inexpensive and non-patentable cancer cure
Cancer cure Canada

This independent researcher has found a way to burn salt water, which could revolutionize our energy industry. At the same time, his research attacks cancer cells using radio frequencies.


Cancer_-_Why_We_re_Still_Dying_to_Know_the_Truth (vitamin b17)

SIX Natural Cures for Cancer? (more info on hemp oil)

Working Cancer Cure from personal experience (MMS2) : Available in some pharmacies (quickly getting banned,but can be ordered online)
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Lets make a case for 9/11
Evidence Of Thermite On
WTC Core Columns
Above is a map showing the relative position of the buildings in the WTC complex. Though Building 7 was hit by flying aircraft parts, it was not significantly effected by the collapse of the towers due to it being shielded by buildings 5 and 6 - which despite being closer to the towers and suffering far more extreme fires - did not collapse.
Building 7 to the right of the picture as Building 5 burns in the left background. From this image, which building seems the more likely to collapse? The 47 story behemoth with limited fire in a few floors - or a nine story shell completely engulfed by fire and flames from top to bottom? Yet it was Building 7 and not 5 that collapsed on the afternoon of September 11.
Here is a separate image revealing the extent of the fires in WTC 5. Despite raging infernos and debris gouging huge holes in the building, and in comparative size significantly more severe fires than the twin towers or Building 7 - the building stood while the other three all collapsed.
The burned out husk of Building 5 two days after 9/11. Building 5 sustained massive damage from flaming aircraft parts which ignited fires that burned for hours. In addition, the collapse of the north tower scraped down the side of 5 but its modest nine floors did not structurally collapse.
In addition, Building 6, which was even closer to the north tower (seen here moments before its subsequent planned demolition months later), suffered even more extreme fire and debris damage, but the building did not fall down implosion style like the towers and Building 7.
wtc 7
WTC 7 on afternoon of 9-11-01. WTC 7 is the tall
sky-scraper in the back-ground, right. Seen from WTC 1 area

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:

“Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition”
• Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:

“Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds… ? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust.”

• Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:

“WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?”

A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded

list of hundreds of professors questioning the 9/11 Commission Report:

James James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), has called for an independent review of NIST’s investigation into the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11.

Dr. Quintiere made his plea during his presentation, “Questions on the WTC Investigations” at the 2007 World Fire Safety Conference. “I wish that there would be a peer review of this,” he said, referring to the NIST investigation. “I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view.”

“I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable,” explained Dr. Quintiere. “Let's look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Towers and how that relates to the official cause and what's the significance of one cause versus another.”
Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become 'Conspiracy Theorists', but in a proper way,” he said.

In his hour-long presentation, Dr. Quintiere discussed many elements of NIST’s investigation that he found problematic. He emphasized, “In every investigation I’ve taken part in, the key has been to establish a timeline. And the timeline is established by witness accounts, by information from alarm systems, by any video that you might have of the event, and then by calculations. And you try to put all of this together. And if your calculations are consistent with some of these hard facts, then perhaps you can have some comfort in the results of your calculations. I have not seen a timeline placed in the NIST report.”

Dr. Quintiere also expressed his frustration at NIST’s failure to provide a report on the third skyscraper that collapsed on 9/11, World Trade Center Building 7. “And that building was not hit by anything,” noted Dr. Quintiere. “It’s more important to take a look at that. Maybe there was damage by the debris falling down that played a significant role. But other than that you had fires burning a long time without fire department intervention. And firefighters were in that building. I have yet to see any kind of story about what they saw. What was burning? Were photographs taken? Nothing!”

World Trade Center Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane on 9/11, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 8 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11. In the 6 years since 9/11, NIST has failed to provide any explanation for the collapse. In addition to NIST’s failure to provide an explanation, absolutely no mention of Building 7’s collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." [To watch a video of the collapse, click here]

Dr. Quintiere said he originally “had high hopes” that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. “They’re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

In his presentation, Dr. Quintiere also criticized NIST’s repeated failures to formally respond to serious questions raised about its conclusions regarding the WTC building collapses and the process it employed to arrive at those conclusions. “I sat through all of the NIST hearings. I went to all of their advisory board meetings, as an observer. I made comments at all.”

Responding to a comment from a NIST representative in the audience, Dr. Quintiere said, “I found that throughout your whole investigation it was very difficult to get a clear answer. And when anyone went to your advisory panel meetings or hearings, where they were given five minutes to make a statement; they could never ask any questions. And with all the commentary that I put in, and I spent many hours writing things, and it would bore people if I regurgitated all of that here, I never received one formal reply.”

Although Dr. Quintiere was strongly critical of NIST’s conclusions and its investigatory process, he made it clear he was not a supporter of theories that the Twin Towers were brought down by pre-planted explosives. “If you go to World Trade Center One, nine minutes before its collapse, there was a line of smoke that puffed out. This is one of the basis of the ‘conspiracy theories’ that says the smoke puffing out all around the building is due to somebody setting off an explosive charge. Well, I think, more likely, it’s one of the floors falling down.”

Dr. Quintiere summarized the NIST conclusion about the cause of the collapses of the Twin Towers. “It says that the core columns, uninsulated due to the fact that the aircraft stripped off that insulation; they softened in the heat of the fire and shortened and that led to the collapse. They pulled in the external columns and it caused it to buckle. They went on further to say that there would be no collapse if the insulation remained in place.”

Dr. Quintiere then presented his and his students’ research that contradicts the NIST report and points to a different cause for the collapses; the application of insufficient fire-proofing insulation on the truss rods in the Twin Towers. “I suggest that there’s an equally justifiable theory and that’s the trusses fail as they are heated by the fire with the insulation intact. These are two different conclusions and the accountability for each is dramatically different,” he said.

Dr. Quintiere’s presentation at the World Fire Safety Conference echoed his earlier statement to the U.S. House of Representatives, Committee on Science, on October 26, 2005, during a hearing on “The Investigation of the World Trade Center Collapse: Findings, Recommendations, and Next Steps”, at which he stated:

“In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.

"I have over 35 years of fire research in my experience. I worked in the fire program at NIST for 19 years, leaving as a division chief. I have been at the University of Maryland since. I am a founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Science—the principal world forum for fire research. ...

"All of these have been submitted to NIST, but never acknowledged or answered. I will list some of these.

1. Why is not the design process of assigning fire protection to the WTC towers fully called out for fault? ...

2. Why were not alternative collapse hypotheses investigated and discussed as NIST had stated repeatedly that they would do? ...

3. Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?

4. NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.

5. Testing by NIST has been inconclusive. Although they have done fire tests of the scale of several work stations, a replicate test of at least & [sic] of a WTC floor would have been of considerable value. Why was this not done? ...

6. The critical collapse of WTC 7 is relegated to a secondary role, as its findings will not be complete for yet another year. It was clear at the last NIST Advisory Panel meeting in September [2005] that this date may not be realistic, as NIST has not demonstrated progress here. Why has NIST dragged on this important investigation?"

[The full text of Dr. Quintiere’s statement to the Science Committee can be found at]

Dr. Quintiere is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers. He served in the Fire Science and Engineering Division of NIST for 19 years and rose to the position of Chief of the Division. He left NIST in 1990 to join the faculty of the Department of Fire Protection Engineering at the University of Maryland, where he still serves.

Quintiere is a founding member and Past Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Science (IAFSS). He is also a Fellow of the Society of Fire Protection Engineering and a Fellow of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers. He has received numerous awards for his contributions to fire science research and engineering, including:

· The Department of Commerce Bronze Medal (1976) and Silver Medal (1982)

· The Howard W. Emmons Lecture Award from the IAFSS in 1986

· The Sjölin Award in 2002 for outstanding contribution to the science of fire safety by the International Forum of Fire Research Directors, NIST

· The 2006 Guise Medal by the National Fire Protection Association

His presentation “Questions on the WTC Investigations” was given twice at the 2007 World Fire Safety Conference; Education Session M21 on June 4 (69 minutes) and Spotlight Session T54 on June 5 (102 minutes). Recordings of the presentations can be purchased from the National Fire Protection Association at

For a list of over 180 other engineers and architects who question the official investigation into the events of 9/11, please visit


Richard F. Humenn, PE was the Senior Project Design Engineer for electrical systems for the entire World Trade Center, and he had 60 people working under him. In other words, he was the guy in charge of all electrical at the WTC. A retired licensed professional engineer, he was certified by the States of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Washington, D.C.

Humenn stated to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:

On September 11, I watched the live TV broadcast of the progressive collapse of the World Trade Towers with disbelief, as the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel.

I viewed the presentation of Richard Gage and other related material, which compels me to believe that the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down. I, therefore, support the proposal to form an international group of professionals to investigate all plausible causes for the virtual freefall and the almost total destruction of the WTC structures.

Humenn also recently gave a two-hour recorded interview to an attorney and former law school professor (a transcript of the interview will soon be posted to In that interview, Humenn expressed his opinion that the Twin Towers were intentionally demolished. (He stated that he could not believe the U.S. government could have done such a thing; however, he was not asked about rogue elements within the government).

Few engineers have as much first-hand knowledge of the Twin Towers as Humenn, so his opinion carries some weight. As he explains, "Though an electrical engineer by trade, I was also very familiar with the structures and their conceptual design parameters."


Leslie Robertson - Structural Engineer / Designer of WTC:

On the Structural Engineers Association of Utah's website, James Williams (SEAU President) described what Robertson said at an October 2001 conference: "as of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running".

NIST is the source of the photo above. NIST admitted doctoring the image.The intensity levels have been adjusted


America's Number One Collapse Expert Thought WTC Bombed
FDNY commander said south tower implosion "too even" to be caused by jet fuel

A man described as "the premiere collapse expert in the country" thought the collapse of the south tower of the WTC was caused by explosives and not jet fuel, before the implosion of the north tower killed him on 9/11.

Deputy Chief Ray Downey, the head of the FDNY's Special Operations Command, was also described by colleagues as "the most knowledgeable person on building collapses there was," and 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer referred to Downey as a "very, very respected expert on building collapse."

According to a World Trade Center Task Force interview with FDNY' Chaplain Father John Delendick, immediately after the collapse of the south tower at 9:59am, Delendick met with Downey below the nearby World Financial Center and asked him if jet fuel had brought about the bizarre and sudden implosion of the building. According to Delendick, Downey "said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even."

Downey was a highly respected figure, having commanded rescue operations at both the 1993 WTC bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. His colleagues simply referred to him as "God" or "The Master of Disaster".

Downey was a 39-year FDNY veteran and the most highly decorated firefighter in its history.

Fire Chief Mike Antonucci , Downey's best friend, said that Downey's hobby was "To study building collapses, what affected the engineering of buildings, how they [would] weaken and how he could respond and stay safe."

The weight of Downey's eyewitness testimony and his conclusion that bombs brought down the south tower is of massive significance as we approach the anniversary of 9/11, a date of mourning for Downey's family due to the fact that he was tragically killed later that day following the collapse of the north tower as he tried to help others escape.

Downey's testimony is added to the assertions of hundreds of leading academics, scientists, former government and military officials and researchers , who have all questioned the impossible collapse of both the twin towers and WTC 7, and singled out incendiary or explosive devices as the only means by which the structures could have fell in the manner they did.


Study claims ‘highly engineered explosive’ found in WTC rubble

A team of scientists claim to have unearthed startling data from dust and debris gathered in the days and weeks after the World Trade Center towers collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001.

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In a study published by the Open Chemical Physics Journal — a peer-reviewed, scientific publication — Steven E. Jones and Niels Harrit level a stark allegation: that within the dust and rubble of the World Trade Center towers lays evidence of “a highly engineered explosive,” contrary to all federal studies of the collapses.

“We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center,” reads the paper’s abstract. “One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC).”

link to the journal:

BBC Anchor Who Reported on WTC7 Collapse Early Agrees There May Be a ‘Conspiracy’

If there was any remaining doubt that the BBC reported the collapse of Building 7 over 20 minutes before it fell then it has now evaporated with the discovery of footage from the BBC's News 24 channel that shows the time stamp at 21:54 (4:54PM EST) when news of the Salomon Brothers Building is first broadcast, a full 26 minutes in advance of its collapse

Former Bush Admin Economist Says Official Story of WTC Collapse 'Bogus'

United Press International | June 14, 2005

A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11.

Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling."

Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

29 Structural/Civil Engineers Cite Evidence
for Controlled Demolition


I posted about 30% of the evidence if that

Any questions ?
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Looking to debunk Nibiru/planet X (328 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 11:30 CDT, 25 May 2010 - iMsg
Its one of the many conspiracy theories that dont sit well with me and people are really confident this thing twice the size of jupiter exists.

Short video (disregard the editing of who ever cut the clip from a seminar) showing a supposed Nasa footage of a comet twice the size of jupiter nearly hitting our sun in February 2003.

Shouldn't this thing be clearly visible from earth at that time,it just doesn't compute to me..Where is more evidence

So what you guys think
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How to survive an Earthquake (64 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 11:07 CDT, 22 May 2010 - iMsg
Ok in light of all the earthquakes i decided to post this information as i think it beneficial to all of us.

Scientists are predicting more earthquakes in frequency and strength in the upcoming years.
(google for more info)

So better be safe then sorry :)


Where to be during an earthquake - New Information

Remember that stuff about hiding under a table or standing in a
doorway?? Well,
this guy has a completely reverse opinion. This is very
interesting, and different from what we have been taught.

Please read
this and pass the info along to your family members and friends;
it could save their lives someday!


My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue
Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue
team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I
am a member of many rescue teams from many countries.

I was the United
Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have worked at
every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico
City during
the 1985 earthquake.
Every child was under its desk. Every child was crushed to the
thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next
to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I
wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time
know that the children were told to hide under something.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of
ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these
objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I
call the 'triangle of life'. The larger the object, the stronger, the
less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the
void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this
void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed
buildings, on television, count the 'triangles' you see formed. They
are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a
collapsed building.


1) Most everyone who simply 'ducks and covers' WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE
are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or
cars, are crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an
earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive
in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a
large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force
of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival
voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated,
crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks.
Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed.
A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much
greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply
posting a sign on the back of the door of every room telling occupants
to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an

5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in
the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.

6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed.
How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or
backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls
sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you
will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different 'moment of
frequency' (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building
continuously bump into each other until structural
failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs
before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly
mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the
stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged.
Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may
collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be
checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.

8) Get
Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible -
It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than
the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of
the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above
falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly
what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway.
The victims of the San
Francisco earthquake
all stayed inside
of their vehicles.. They were all killed. They could have easily
survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles.
Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of
their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids
3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall
directly across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of
paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding
stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life..... The Entire World is
experiencing natural calamities so be prepared!

'We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly'

In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government,
City of Istanbul ,
University of
Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film
practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20
mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did 'duck and cover,' and ten
mannequins I used in my 'triangle of life' survival method. After the
simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and
entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in
which I practiced my survival
techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building
collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival
for those doing duck and cover.

There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the 'triangle of
life.' This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in
Turkey and the rest of Europe,
and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV.

Ronald D
ron.smith@lacity. org

City of L.A. - Info Technology Agency
CHE 13th floor, MS232
200 N.
Main St.
Los Angeles, CA 90012
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What kind of TV to buy? (5 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 18:11 CDT, 4 May 2010 - iMsg
ok so im buying a new flat screen tv :) for about 1000$ 100cm-110cm diagonal ,..but for the life of me can't decide if i want LED,Plasma or LCD .I was in the store for about an hour,..for the life of me i just cant see the difference

So whats the best my money can buy?
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Horsey Makes Blizzard $2 Million in 4h (6 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 12:33 CDT, 17 April 2010 - iMsg
Fancy Horse Makes Blizzard $2 Million in Four Hours
New in-game pet for World of Warcraft is generating sales of about $500,000 an hour, so far.
By Frank Cifaldi, 04/15/2010

The Blizzard Pet Store is offering two new virtual pets to World of Warcraft players today, one of which has generated over $2 million in sales in its first four hours.

The "Celestial Steed" (right) is, according to its description on the Blizzard Store, "freshly born from the Twisting Nether" and allows players to "travel in style astride wings of pure elemental stardust."

More research is of course necessary but as of press time, it is widely believed that the Celestial Steed may be the fanciest horse ever born.

The fancy horse costs $25 and offers no new abilities to players, only riding as fast as a character's riding skill will enable it to go.

According to, the download queue as of 1:45 Pacific time was at 80,000. At $25 a pop, this means that this noble steed has generated sales of $2 million since its approximate debut at 9:30 this morning, or around $500,000 an hour.

1UP has reached out to Blizzard for commentary from the horse, and will report back if he is available.
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whats that up in the sky? (156 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 10:26 CST, 10 December 2009 - iMsg

A mysterious photo taken yesterday morning at 8:00 a.m. in Norway - a giant spiral with something blue coming down from it. It was reported and shown on the news on NBC tonight. Could it be a lightwave?

I think there are many more to come :)
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music&footage for a russian frag movie (5 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 08:41 CST, 21 November 2009 - iMsg


"You have 80:00 minutes"

Someone just HAS to use this for a frag movie,no other way around it :! :P
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H1N1 swine flue (49 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 18:55 CDT, 5 October 2009 - iMsg
Please read this and let me know what you think.

I got this from a reasonably credible source(fwd mail :>> ) and has gotten me worried.(parents traveling to china soon thinking about vaccination ,i am obviously against it)

ok here it is :

>Marine Disquisition
>Unnamed US Navy vessel put to sea in April with 347 man crew.
>Entire crew was vaccinated with H1N1 Swine Flu vaccine shortly after they put to sea.
>Crew sickened so severely that other ships had to respond to render aid. 16 Medical Dr.s put aboard from an unnamed aircraft carrier and other responding vessels. Total of 50 Navy personnel sent aboard to respond to crisis.
>Two of the crew of 347 died - including the Captain of the ship (a Lieutenant Commander) and a Chief Petty Officer.
>50 personnel sent aboard to help are quarantined in Navy hospital in Balboa, Spain after 10 of them caught the flu from the ship's crew. Two of the 50 quarantined are in serious condition at last report.
>Of the 347 man crew that were vaccinated, 333 contracted the H1N1 flu FROM THE VACCINE. Two died, as mentioned above, and 331 survived. Only 14 of the 347 vaccinated sailors did not show any ill effects from the vaccine.
>Navy has threatened all the spouses of the ship's crew to remain silent - claiming all this information is classified. Some are whistle-blowing and that is where this information is coming from.
>On the unnamed aircraft carrier that provided assistance, 415 sailors contracted the swine flu and are currently quarantined onboard.
> The truth is that the swine flu epidemic will be created BY THE VACCINE. If we don't take it, there will be no epidemic. From this one test it's apparent that the vaccine as tested on that ship's crew in April is 96% effective at infecting the recipient with swine flu. Such an infection rate is impossible to achieve by any natural means. Though it only killed 1% immediately, there is no telling what the long term effects on those injected with the vaccine will be. See the research on the long term effects of the 1976 swine flu vaccine, and the Gulf War anthrax vaccine programs for more information.
> Also note that mere contact with those that have been vaccinated creates a 20% chance of you contracting the swine flu even if you have not been vaccinated. Please pass this data along to anyone you care about!
> ‘Major Alert’

i dunno what all this is about,but what the fuck was i thinking about when starting a serious discussion here :P my bad ...
Edited by r1ddler at 07:44 CDT, 6 October 2009 - 36584 Hits
Doom 3 MP Trix by Nizmo (38 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 07:25 CDT, 10 August 2004 - iMsg

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Rating: 1.2 (14 votes)
A new d3 movie showing cool tricks being pulled off in DooM³ multiplayer.
5min long and 81mb big.Worth the download.

Its not realy that good,but nevertheless its nice to see d3 in actoin.Nice quality too.

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Skills to pay the bills (48 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 17:51 CDT, 22 May 2004 - iMsg

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Rating: 5.6 (16 votes)
I finally got to see a wc3 movie and this one was so worth the wait. What we have here is a movie from mouz.mightyx and his clan mates. It features some of the best moves I've ever seen. The editing is nice. You'll see right away that bgfc|cashman, the author, put a lot of hard work into it. It's 15 minutes of pure UD owning.
Edited by smurkey at 11:22 GMT, 23rd May 2004 - 43990 Hits
Vice extreme (8 comments)
Posted by r1ddler @ 08:54 CDT, 10 June 2003 - iMsg

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Rating: 7.2 (4 votes)
Found this on teh net and thought i should share it with yo fools :>
teh info :

Game : GTA - Vice city
Type : tricks-stunts
Lenght:3:16 min
Size:23.4 MB
Movie by Swamp & Ormiss

Edited by zet at 14:36 GMT, 10th Jun 2003 - 12776 Hits
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