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Would you like to see an ESR user interview at id Software? (7 comments)
Posted by qmau @ 20:37 CDT, 26 April 2017 - iMsg

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I think SyncError is afraid that giving ESR original content will just be another opportunity for a festival of negativity. Are ESR users interested in a non-critical interview at id Software? Can ESR users enjoy some fan-service in anticipation of a new game, regardless of expectations, past experiences, or current opinions?

I would absolutely love to sit down with SyncError, without any cloud of criticality or expository/investigative intent, to discuss his experiences over the years leading to this moment in id Software history, and to discover his approach to work, where his motivation to stick to development comes from, and what he hopes to achieve.

Edited by qmau at 21:36 CDT, 26 April 2017 - 245 Hits
RUINS OF SARNATH map overview (24 comments)
Posted by Teen Queen @ 10:57 CDT, 26 April 2017 - iMsg
This time around instead of a champion preview we get one for a map - big enough for a team deathmatch brawl with some interesting key areas, hard to reach platform above Megahealth and quad area and potentially including a new protection powerup (indicated in the "Eye of Cthalha" screenshot and represented by a green pentagram). Plenty of jump pads connect the map, fast champions will have a blast flying across the map without cramped corners and hallways, heavy classes can control the map from the central area.

Art style is clearly defined, fast paced map flow and quick routes make item cycling quite easy.

Without further ado, here's the presentation video and some screenshots.

Source: Oficial website
Links: Beta Signup/Official website, tweet @QuakeChampions, Facebook Facebook
Edited by Teen Queen at 10:58 CDT, 26 April 2017 - 1213 Hits
HoQ TDM Spring Season Round #4 (1 comment)
Posted by doz3r @ 01:39 CDT, 26 April 2017 - iMsg
The schedule for round 4 looks like this:

Wednesday 26/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div3 Russia Catz&Slipper vs Poland Platige Team

Thursday 27/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Europe Falafel Kings vs Europe Rekt
Div3 Russia Anchors vs Czech Republic Virtual Owners

Sunday 30/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Sweden lastpick vs Russia B52
Div1 Russia KogdaKvad vs Europe Worldstar
Div1 Hungary Team Hungary vs Europe Falafel Kings

Monday 01/05/17 14:00 CDT
Div2 Europe unnamedteam vs Russia Hey
Div2 Russia Quake Brothers vs Russia Raks
Div2 Europe Zombei vs Europe I Love My Squad

Tuesday 02/05/17 14:00 CDT
Div3 Europe Chess Club vs Russia Catz&Slipper
Div3 Czech Republic Virtual Owners vs Poland Platige Team
Div3 Russia Anchors vs Sweden OverPowered
Div3 Europe Placebo Effects vs Europe get armor frag bitches

Streams: twitch 102 twitch d1z twitch h8m3 twitch k1lljoy twitch luminus twitch proZaC twitch rehepapp twitch roumaniancham twitch xkisa twitch Xron
Links: Rules Schedule House of Quake mIRC HoQLeagues Twitter HouseofQuake
Edited by doz3r at 01:54 CDT, 26 April 2017 - 239 Hits
Calling all moscovian quakers (10 comments)
Posted by stub @ 08:13 CDT, 25 April 2017 - iMsg
I'm spending a few months in Moscow and would like to play some quake while I'm here. Anybody got recommendations for somewhere I can go to get in the zone and play for hours at a time? The internet at the place I'm living is not usable, unfortunately.

Basic need is somewhere with good, reliable internet and space (a desk or similar) for my laptop and mousepad, but anything on top is a plus. It's a big city -- there must be something good I'm missing out on.

Заранее спасибо!
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The perfect game. (13 comments)
Posted by Terbo @ 00:38 CDT, 25 April 2017 - iMsg
To me this is the perfect game(match) played between two players.

Quake 2 was my first love and purri was untouchable at this time. Doze was also a good player and was trying but Purri was just on another level during this match.

What do you think was the perfect game?

*Note when I say perfect game I mean two players playing game X in a match. Not which quake or other "game" is the best.
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About the Sound system of this game (10 comments)
Posted by Messing Around @ 23:40 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
it's weird that no one talking about this aspect of QC, especially sounds are very important in competitive games

After watched the duel match between ZeRo4 and SyncError. I noticed a lot of problems about the sound effects

Let's take a look at this Unreal Tournament 4 duel video, you can "hear" the differences between those 2



1. Unnecessary loud echo and ambience, overwhelm every other sounds
2. Weapon sounds have no punch, make them sound very weak
3. Lot of low pitch and high pitch sound effects, sometimes they're too high or too low, never "just enough"

Overall, the sound system feels overwhelmed (and weird), each of them try to fight the others, turn out to be a bunch of noises
You can compare with the UT4's to know what i mean, cleaner and more powerfull
Edited by Teen Queen at 11:32 CDT, 25 April 2017 - 532 Hits
Full QC Duel Video: ZeRo4 vs SyncError (123 comments)
Posted by Slasher @ 16:19 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
Russian YouTube channel C-c-combo Breaker! has released a full ~13-minute Duel between id Software's United States of America John "ZeRo4" Hill and United States of America Adam "SyncError" Pyle featuring the previously mentioned three-champion per player, round-based format.

Edited by Nukm at 07:29 CDT, 26 April 2017 - 3968 Hits
New duel match zero4 vs syncerror (13 comments)
Posted by Devil61 @ 14:21 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
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crossover champions (31 comments)
Posted by qmau @ 13:53 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
fighting games got alot of crossovers. zelda the main elf from nintendo (pic related) was in some dreamcast fighting game about swords or smth

heres a list of video games crossovers:

if ID software had a allowence form bethesda for crossover char's (i don't want to violate my NDA by saing they do), who do u want to see?

the guy from skyrim would be cool. he could shot arrows at people's knees to make them slow down lol and then you could hear slasher or anarchy say smth like "i used to be a champion liek u until i got a arrow on my knee"

or maybe u could have fall out boy, and he shots a nuke or an get into the fall out boy armor to fight??

also in quake 3 areans u can play at james carmike and tom willit...maybe in quake chamipons u can play as stinkhair or johnathon "zero4" window.
Edited by qmau at 14:20 CDT, 24 April 2017 - 918 Hits
esr qc oc (5 comments)
Posted by qmau @ 13:12 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
i originally posted in the admin forums that i'd like to buy a full copy of quake champions for a user who submits the highest ranked (by popularity) QC related original content (ie news, column, article, journal, or qualifying parent forum post [such as creative image, song, etc.]). admins are sadly unresponsive, and so i take this question to you, the peons. the people.

i don't know if it will be possible to preorder or gift QC yet, and i don't know what the full price of the game will be, but i would love to give some productive esr user a copy (or cash to match the cost of the game [up to $75 or so, i'm incredibly poor and this will affect my family budget]). from what i can tell, it will be possible to order a copy of the game with all heroes available.

anybody interested? anybody have some other idea that would be more fun for esr?

some other ideas that might be fun for this competition:

1. original qc hero designs
2. insult thread (most +'d insult wins)
3. candidate thread (users suggest who to win, and other users vote. candidate with most +'s wins)
Edited by qmau at 13:14 CDT, 24 April 2017 - 285 Hits
Beta Key giveaway (17 comments)
Posted by Teen Queen @ 12:24 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
Fourth wave beta starts April 27th.
Post your own MS Paint creation.
Good luck.
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Red Man and the Asbestos Tree (13 comments)
Posted by ika @ 09:40 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
I finally made the third red man video:

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The QL 125FPS Season 35 W1-W7 Grand Final VODS! (1 comment)
Posted by nvc @ 08:13 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
Hi all,

I've decided to actually make use of my YouTube channel to upload the grand finals from every 125fps cup that I cover. The season finals are next week (30th) starting 16BST/11EST/18MSK on If you enjoy the weekly coverage and would like to support the channel you can subscribe to my Twitch channel for emotes and stuff. I otherwise stream every day from 18GMT.

W6: Missing - was at Insomnia60

If you'd like to upload other matches from my 125fps tournament coverage to your own YouTube channels please feel free to do so, I will not copyright strike your channel!

Edited by nvc at 08:20 CDT, 24 April 2017 - 265 Hits
Thoughts on Quake Champions (3 comments)
Posted by cerno @ 07:42 CDT, 24 April 2017 - iMsg
I've been quite preoccupied with this issue for a while now, especially in light of QC's beta and upcoming release. I believe this is a matter closely related to my continuing to take an interest and occasionally play Quake titles (QL, CPM). To be honest I don’t really understand fully what makes the Quake titles great, and so I can only begin to describe it. One fundamental thing that has attracted me to Quake titles all along is their enshrinement before all else of the player's skill and understanding. Everything else about the game pales in comparison - the textures, sound effects, characters, memories of 90s LAN parties (which I never attended) all fade into a dull nostalgic tableau which is essentially meaningless to me. Quake is all about what the player(s) can do in an environment that demands their full physical and mental involvement. Through demonstration of skill and understanding, players express themselves and make stylistic impressions upon both spectators and other players alike – that’s when it becomes artful. Two major elements of QC bother me a great deal because they de-emphasise that focus on player skill and understanding.

Firstly, QC over-emphasises elements peripheral to the core gameplay. By that I mean things like the game’s ‘characters’, its aesthetic tone, sound effects, game announcer et al. I also refer to the in-game currency and the ability to use real money to buy in-game peripherals such as skins. None of this stuff is actually part of the game itself, but I don’t think it can be regarded as entirely separate.
There seems to be a consensus among gamers that because Valve ‘saved’ CSGO by selling practically useless ingame items, this is now required by prospective multiplayer titles in order to help attract players. I understand that commercial aspects such as this are a necessary factor to a title’s success, but I’m sceptical as to whether or not in-game purchasing and trading of items, and the development of an entire betting scene is actually entirely necessary. I actually think that in-game items can help a bit but they won’t fundamentally affect the popularity of a game or make it sustainable in the long run. Hats and other items in TF2 might have kept the playerbase around for a couple of extra years but I do not think that it saved the game by any means. They certainly haven’t saved TF2 from the derision felt by many of its players after the addition of hats. There’s a lot to talk about here and I don’t really have time to go into it.

Secondly and of greatest importance, the introduction of player classes. Before I go on I will point out my definition of classes – this means that players in a given mode choose from categories containing which grant different player attributes (speed, health, armour, guns, special abilities etc). I think everybody who has played any Quake title even half-seriously is sceptical of the merits of this introduction of classes. Yet even from people who are sceptical of or even basically disagree with their inclusion I have seen the following arguments in favour of their inclusion:

1. Quake Live is old, let’s have something new for the sake of it (this line of argument tends not to detail what should be added/removed)
2. The modern gamer is basically childish and stupid, and will be attracted by animated and voice-acted characters that they somehow identify with. This line of argument tends to assume that the addition of characters should be embedded in the core gameplay as player classes.
3. Player classes are the new norm (usually in passing reference to Overwatch and MOBAs, but rarely to TF2 and its predecessors).
4. Player classes make the game more accessible.
5. Player special abilities make the game more accessible.

I don’t think I need to spend too much time pointing out the flaws in the above lines of argument, but I will
contest them briefly.

1. You cannot argue with substance that an old style of gameplay is inherently bad. At the same time, an old game can be encased within a new shell – you can update the graphics, sounds and add the support expected of a modern competitive platform, thus refreshing the old game for a new era and audience. Furthermore if so many new players have never played Quake, how exactly is the game ‘old’ to them?
2. I agree that the casual crowd is not that smart, but my view is that one should never assume an audience’s ignorance or stupidity. Basically I don’t care about Slash or Anarki or whatever but I am concerned with the assumption that the focus on characters must naturally translate into the inclusion of character classes in the actual game. Why can’t the company just hire a team of writers and artists, make a great cast of characters, while not fundamentally changing the core gameplay? Why does the company assume that these two things go hand in hand? If Tim Willits announced that the company had statistical information that showed players are more likely to play the game if they see fun, attractive characters, I would be partly appeased, but I don’t even see a rational basis for this choice other than the fact that other titles have succeeded while doing this.
3. Player classes are not new – see QWTF. See DOTA. This isn’t some dramatic new craze and it doesn’t have to be inherent to team modes, or 1v1 for that matter.
4. Basically I am open to the idea of player classes if we are presented with a mode in which they are found to be balanced. However it’s worth mentioning – especially when it comes to 1v1 – that a huge part of the value of Quake has always been the idea of parity and equal opportunity between players. Randomised spawns aside, this equality is a crucial part of Quake’s emphasis on player skill and understanding. This is largely due to the absence of class differences allowing the player to leave a greater stylistic mark on the game – the game isn’t about what class the player chose, but about what the player did differently to their opponent given the same opportunity as them.
5. Similar to the above, we are yet to see an iteration of player abilities that isn’t imbalanced. I’m open to the idea player abilities, if such abilities could be obtained more rarely, and ideally through control of the map or certain positions rather than just spawning with them.

While mindful of my seeming to some readers stubborn and jaded, I have to reiterate the fact that this company is basically dumbing down the Quake formula in a bid to popularise the newer title. This doesn’t stop others from developing and playing other Quake-style shooters, but it is a shame because the Quake IP still retains some prestige over others. But why is it necessary, and what for? Is Quake valuable simply as a label and an icon, or is Quake valuable because of what it represents, that is what I mentioned before – the pure emphasis on player skill and understanding? If this company chooses to sell Quake as a label, regardless of the actual game inside the box, will it really attract an ideal playerbase necessary for the sustainability of a competitive platform? And even if the game is truly popular, will the game ever have the glory of a game such as chess (to which Quake has been cutely compared). Machiavelli said that princes who commit criminal acts can achieve power, but never glory. But surely that’s too harsh a comparison for Id Software and its holding companies. Underlying this discussion is also the idea that a good game is more important than a popular game. I actually don’t care about esports if I’m able to play a great game regularly, nor do I care about it if the game being played is basically rubbish.
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What book(s) are you reading right now? (18 comments)
Posted by Herezja @ 16:17 CDT, 23 April 2017 - iMsg
It's been a while since the last thread. Fiction or non-fiction, serious or light reading - what are you reading and why?
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A Logitech G900 issue (13 comments)
Posted by Hardbitter @ 12:06 CDT, 23 April 2017 - iMsg
Hello. A month ago I bought a Logitech G900 in a trust worthy gaming shop I always buy gaming stuff in. But I didn't like it somehow mainy because of the weird sensor, don't really know if it's defected or anything but when I went down to checking serial numbers on the box and the mouse they didn't match (last 3-4 characters). So, today I went to this shop explaining the problem on what they said that it's all good as it's a common case when it comes to Logitech peripherie (a manager presented me another unboxed G900 and serial number there didn't match as well). He also said that if I wish I can send it on warranty diagnostic but before this I wanted to talk to community.

So do any of the Logitech owners here have this serial number issue too? And how does a G900 fare for you guys? Do you find its sensor weird too by any chance?
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125 FPS Sunday Cup#77 (Season#35) (11 comments)
Posted by Nico_QD @ 08:18 CDT, 23 April 2017 - iMsg
Scheduled: 10:00 CDT, 23 April 2017 to 14:00 CDT, 23 April 2017
Schedule: Passed

The 125 FPS QuakeLive Duel Sunday Cup #77, as a part of Duel Season#35 (Mar-Apr 2017), will take place this weekend.

Donate: 125FPS Donate link.
Streams: Russia 102, United Kingdom zLive, United Kingdom nvc; Stream's HUB
Links: Season#35 page, 125FPS Balance 2017; 125FPS Discord
Edited by Nico_QD at 08:19 CDT, 23 April 2017 - 987 Hits
Quake Reborn (15 comments)
Posted by mray557 @ 20:36 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
This is it guys. Quake will come back to life after the release of QC. I can't wait for this literally. I been waiting for years for a game this solid. not even Overwatch had it. Russians are geniuses. The game feels 100% made in Russia.

This game should be called Quake Reborn as the birth of quake champions.

I've never felt like I'm actually on drugs before. This is the only game that has successfully achieved that.

No exaggeration.

Russians are the real gamers.
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TimCon 3: A LAN Results & more (4 comments)
Posted by CrazyAl @ 18:17 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg

Following on from the humble events TimConLan 1 and TimConLan 2 which featured a grand total of 5 players each, TimCon 3: A LAN, hosted by Horizon E-Sports Café in United Kingdom Liverpool, drew to a close last weekend. 20+ people attended from around the UK and Europe (Big shoutouts to Austria aesick and Germany Mek for driving 1790 miles to be there).

Day 1 was Warsow, a game not too familiar with a lot of the attendees, but a favorite for a few. Lots of QL players joined in to play too and unsurprisingly, United Kingdom STINKLIKESOCK, an old Warsow player, took home the gold after handily beating United Kingdom xijjik in the grand final.

Day 2 was Reflex day, a game much more familiar to a lot of people there. United Kingdom tfC was the favorite in this one. A young player who started his Arena FPS career with Reflex and who had barely touched Warsow or QL. Again the QL players got themselves set up in Reflex, took their time learning the movement, the maps and the jumps while the Reflex familiars got to playing right away.

Amazingly United Kingdom NerVzzz, a QL player, managed to pick up the game on the day and get himself to the semis. The grand final was between United Kingdom STINKLIKESOCK once more and United Kingdom tfC, the favorite to win. United Kingdom tfC did indeed win with a convincing 3-1 but United Kingdom STINK didn't make it easy for him.

Finally Day 3 was QuakeLive. The game the majority of the players had the most familiarity with. The TimConLan 1 and 2 players were put to shame, all going out in the group stages. To nobodys shock, both United Kingdom STINK and United Kingdom NerVzzz went right through the groups without dropping a game and indeed didn't drop one until they met each other in the finals.

At this point it was tense. We all gathered in the downstairs lounge area to watch it on the big screen and left the players on the top floor to play their game in peace. United Kingdom STINK was wandering around pre-game, agitated to begin. United Kingdom NerVzzz was employing his pre-game warm up techniques which baffled the rest of us as well as Horizon's staff.

Once United Kingdom NerVzzz had finished hanging from a door frame by his fingertips in what I can only assume was a trance, he went upstairs... to do his last 10 minutes of prep. Finally it was time, and it seemed United Kingdom NerVzzz game delaying mind games had not gotten to United Kingdom STINKLIKESOCK.

Ironically, United Kingdom NerVzzz seemed... nervous. He didn't show the same calm control and influence over his opponents as he did in the previous games. Stink was unfazed by anything and no matter how many times he slammed his desk in frustration, it never seemed to affect his play.

United Kingdom STINK won the finals 3-0. The players shook hands and were awarded their Golden and Silver WMO trophies respectively (that United Kingdom NerVzzz had made himself for the event).

The final evening was closed out with some 15 man FFA games. The Horizon staff played a 1v1 show match on Aerowalk, the loser having to buy a goody-bag of food for the QL champion (shoutout to Jamie for his perfectly executed rocket jumps to RA. Commiserations to Steve who now hates Quake and everything it stands for after his crushing defeat).


To Jamie, Steve and the rest of Horizon staff for putting up with our Quake player needs, bringing us food and drink, and most importantly, buying a billion cushions for us from Sweden Ikea so we could sit at exactly our desired heights at the desks

To Austria aesick and Germany Mek for their grand journey across the lands to be with us

And to United Kingdom STINKLIKESOCK for somehow being in every grand final, and winning 2 of them, despite appearing to be the most tilted player of us all.

Thanks to Tim for writing these kind and special words. You look great. - CrazyAl

Links: TimConLan Discord, twitch VODs
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The future of Quake at a cost (55 comments)
Posted by Cyanerd @ 17:01 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
In this topic i would like to address the elephant in the room. This topic may strike as controversial, but this is not a popularity contest. Its about gaming, today.

We all know it. We don't like it. We deal with it.
Hand-holding, "get-out-of-jail" cards, "classes", "counters", abilities, heavy RNG, you name it.

Unfortunately these phenomena is a necessary evil to keep the modern gamer on a leash, ergo making the end product economically viable. The modern gamer seeks three things mainly:
I) Participation awards. This includes but is not limited to: achievements, skins, badges.

II) Rapid gratification/Fun factor. Quick emotional fulfilment which may or may not be due to abuse of game mechanics, overtuned heroes/certain abilities or overpowered arsenal. Any shortcut to short-term success manifested in gained rank/achievements/badges etc is prioritized before any intellectual or raw skillset gain.

III) Instant accessibility. Low level entry, skillwise and intellectual. Game customization and tweaking has to be toned down to minimize any conceivable advantage, e.g removal of picmip, bright models and so on. High quality eye-candy is required. Maps, movement, pickup trivialization is paramount.


The modern gamer dictates the market, where the competitive player is reduced to a cuck. Now, these privileged-by-wallet modern gamers have enforced their conditions upon shackled game Devs, and here we are.

So, gentlemen, where exactly does QC
--currently-- fit in this post-modern scrubfest?
High skillfloor, very high skillcap -- just like you know, quake, csgo? - The game would flop. Players would leave faster than you'll get laid in Tijuana.

Overwatch 2.0? - Eeeeh probably not that shallow but not that far off really. Somewhere in between for sure.

But the question is -- is a higher skilled overwatch 2.0 enough? Can we, the vets and the competitive minded players alike, come to terms that we are going to have to deal with huge simplifications, to part with our soul and become dumbed down to nurture this generation of lazy, self-entitled scrubs who vote with their wallet? Having played the beta, all i know its either that or Quake dies.
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Don't cry, bitch (3 comments)
Posted by Kapiter @ 16:11 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg

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Rating: 5.6 (8 votes)
Don't cry, bitch is a movie by Russiatolstyitrol about, on the edge of going to Quake Champions, remembering the great moments we had with Q3/QL through some of the best fragmovies of this period.
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I Am Not A Fan (4 comments)
Posted by qmau @ 14:54 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
Soundtrack for this column: Nobuo Uematsu - Final Fantasy VII OST

Fanhood. Fannitude. Fanity. Fanaticism?

What does it mean to be a fan? describes a fan as:

an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc.

There have been times that I have been a fan. I was in it to win it with the Angels for the 2002 MLB World Series. At that point, I'd been a fan of the team since my baseball card collecting days, right around the age of 8, when Jim Abbott, the one-handed pitcher for the then-California Angels, was an even bigger inspiration to me than other then-current sports stars such as Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson, and others. His style was 100% unique, he was legitimately skilled, and he represented a great capacity for success, even when given unfavorable circumstances. Here's a video of a no-hitter he pitched while playing for the New York yankees.

I distinctly remembering an Angels playoff game, right around the age of 8 years old, where it seemed to me that everything was on the line; not just for the Angels, but also for me. I was bundled under the gaudy comforter of my mom's humongous bed, eyes firmly affixed to the 12 mile thick glass of the blindingly bright high definition visual broadcast of my mother's thirty-something inches Zenith television. I was watching the game in style. The Angels lost, which was something they did a lot of in the 90s, and I can recall, vividly (and fictitiously melodramatically), a single warm tear descending the uncragged surface of my baby-face. The breeze from the fan overhead chilled its trail to a freezing temperature that surely matched that of my heart.

I look back on that moment as the epitome of the absurdity of fanhood. A child, alone, driven to forced tears by the loss of a sports team, as if, somehow, such an expression of sadness could legitimize the outward projection of belonging to the concept of some arbitrarily defined social entity, fans of the California Angels. I was proving to some unseen observer that I was invested, that I cared, and that I was capable of tears and sadness if I didn't get what I wanted.

Since that moment, the most intense moment of fanatical expression I can recall in my life, I have experienced different elevations of my fanhood. I have subscribed to information, created links to products on web sites I maintain, searched for and downloaded the entire careers of MMA fighters (and then encouraged others to pay attention to my opinion about them), posted forum threads on ESR about input device manufacturers that please and displease me, and so on.

With fanhood in general, I found that some internal emotional attachment to a perceived external entity lead to the experience of undesirable feelings that weren't worth the experience of desired feelings. I am not quite spiritually prepared for a life of delusionally convincing myself that the undesirable experiences weren't legitimate, or of forcing myself to cover those undesirable experiences by focusing my attention as a fan on more positive experiences, the schadenfreudian satisfaction of other fans' suffering due to their objects of affection being the source of their negative experiences, some invented alternate reality that I refuse to allow others to contest with reason or rationality, or some other form of masking. I make a conscious effort to check my fanhood regularly, and to develop methods by which I can terminate such fanhood when the risk of disappointment begins to arise.

I have a casual experience of id Software games, starting with Wolfenstein 3D, which a friend showed me on his dad's computer around 20 years ago. It was fun in the same way as playing tag with other kids is fun, but I didn't find myself hooked or trapped. I had many other hobbies at the time, and at that point had neither a computer nor console gaming system at home to play. My next experience with an id Software game, at least that I can remember, came a year or two later, when I played Doom on the SNES. I was staying the night at a friend's house, and we had a good time, but the game was kind of boring and ugly. I wasn't a fan of Wolfenstein. I wasn't a fan of Doom. I still am not.

Three years later I moved to Lake Tahoe, California, and had the privilege of having access to what was then a decently modern computer lab. This was the height of Super Nintendo emulator development, and a very liberal network administrator (a guy named Chris, who was a great guy in general, and probably helped fuel many grades of cyber-curiosity), so at lunch you could find a group of kids playing various unreleased Japanese RPGs and MegaMan iterations, as well as around 5-10 playing Quake.

Quake was like Wolfenstein and Doom in the sense that you control a perspective that runs around some geometric configurations of simulated space to zap objects with his rocket gun and gather resources. Unlike Wolfenstein and Doom for the SNES, Quake had finer and more intuitive controls (+mlook), and other people to play against, which made the game competitively attractive. We had a T1 connection at the school, and so pinged decently to various Californian servers. The guy who taught me the basics of Quake suggested we play online, and asked me to join a server, At the time I had no clue what I was being granted access to, and unfortunately don't remember much of the experience, but this was a server that saw Deathrow players dueling in their primes.

I still wasn't a fan. I played casually at lunch at school, but didn't bother installing the game at home, where I preferred, for some reason, to play Quake 2, which had dial-up servers widely and easily available via Microsoft Zone. At this point, I still couldn't consider myself a gamer. I spent more time walking to the ski resort my mom worked at so I could hike up the mountain just to snowboard back down again. It wasn't until months later that I became a fan of my first gaming company and game, Blizzard and Starcraft.

I played a lot. I researched build orders for each race. I looked up news about the game. The only other games that I've done as much research and practice for are Counter-Strike and Counter-Strike: Global offensive, and that amount can be said to have been maybe slightly above average among other players in the times I was doing it.

The experience for me with previous Quake games is similar for Quake 3, and Quake 4 I didn't even play until 2015, and then on Xbox 360 (for less than two hours). I played a good summer of RA3, and didn't have a conception of item timing. I hadn't heard of the term, and didn't know about it until I began playing QuakeLive and was informed by the nefarious tyryl AKA kdawg AKA Randy Brown AKA Daryl. At that point, I was around 27-30 years old, and the concept of duel suddenly clicked. I started paying attention to duel tournaments. I learned half-beat strafe jumping. I practiced offline at high timescale against nightmare Tank Jr.s. I went to Quakecon 2010 with an ESR press pass. I talked to everybody who would listen. Prozac tried to troll me in his underwear. Some guy brought a 40" TV to the BYOC. I interviewed Syncerror and Steve Nix. I listened to the Brink developers describe how groundbreaking their game would be, and why it would be a huge success. I felt like a combination of both Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton during a balloon drop.

kdawg AKA Quasimoto, aged 17

Then I started to notice funny little quirks about QuakeLive that I didn't remember from my Quake, Quake 2, and Quake 3 experiences. Huge bursts of sudden LG damage killing me in less than a second, being hit by rails while behind walls, etc. I started to research netcode, and found a really great introductory primer. It may have been a mistake to read this. Before understanding netcode this way, I had the spiritual inclination that I could overcome these problems if I just tried harder, if I just fixed my mind, my approach, my abilities, whatever. My frustration grew as I improved at the game, but my experience of these sudden bursts of damage, etc., didn't diminish. With a new understanding of netcode these issues and many others became more and more apparent as I played, and many critical problems were moved beyond the reach of my control to solve. I would have to fundamentally change my approach to thinking about and playing the game online to achieve greater success. I didn't want to do that, and so I gave up QuakeLive...10 times. At least.

So, I'm not really a fan, but I could see myself being a fan if I didn't feel the way I do about fanhood in general. I understand the hate, the trepidation, the disappointment. I understand being a kid, coercing my genetically inferior brown eyes to shit out a lonely, sad, single tear in response to a baseball game lost by a favored team. I have felt emotions before. I am just like you. I am a human being, too.

I have one real question to the people who consider themselves fans, and for the people who consider themselves to have been fans, and even the people who feel like antagonists attacking id Software for some perceived violations of some a particular moral or ethical imperative you hold dear.


Why are you what you are regarding id Software?

Why do you spew hate, or mock employees? Why do you recall successes of the distant past and pine for their revival in each potential release? Why are you blissfully unaware of the issues others suggest? Why do you believe that it's important for people to be nice to id Software? Are you afraid that id Software might intentionally passive-aggressively release a spitefully poor game? Why do you tell yourself that id Software developers are either good or bad, and then use that opinion to argue that it's wrong or right to criticize id Software?

Why do you feel the way you do about id Software and the upcoming release of Quake Champions?
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make the hitboxes visible (21 comments)
Posted by Zanno @ 11:23 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
as we all know this game has a serious problem with enemy visibility, and because modern game require cosmetics to make money off kids forcemodel is not an option.

so i propose a very simple solution to this problem where you put a bright neon outline of the hitboxes over the enemy model. then you put an option in the settings to control the color of the outline.

the whole reason the forcemodels that were used in q3 were picked was because they most closely lined up with the hitboxes. if you simply make this information visible, then there's no need for forcemodel. a few people have suggested an outline over the player model, but that doesn't give the information that forcemodel gives you

with a simple outline over the hitbox, we reach a compromise get the gameplay information that we need without obscuring the cosmetics that are required for the game to make money.

i'm sure we can all agree this is a significant issue with the game that needs to be addressed as soon as possible
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Doom: To Hell and Back (2 comments)
Posted by Badb0y @ 09:00 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
Shacknews has written a long feature article about the Doom Series, mainly about Doom 4 development and Doom Classic in general.

This is a impressive, deeper summary i must say. I see much workhours that went into such a feature, therefore i appreciate it a lot.

These are the topics:
- Marty Stratton's background
- Doom 4 development and Marty Stratton and Hugo Martin citates, also as video clips
- Interview with Speedrunnner Zero-Master
- Doom 1 / Doom 2 Level descriptions (kind of poetic) and John Romero comments to that
- Weapons
- Interview with Brutal Doom mod-maker Sergeant Mark IV
- Final Doom, two fanbased campaignes
- Three Doom Classic mappers (Viggles, Scwiba, Skillsaw) and their newer maps
- Interview with Doomworld admin Andrew "Linguica" Stine
- Hugo Martin about storytelling
- Marty Stratton interview about Doom 4 and the release

Source: shacknews
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Tim Willits Interview (58 comments)
Posted by Badb0y @ 08:50 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
Tim Willits talks about Quake Champions, his tasks and past and future.

This video interview is in english.

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The Campgrounds Matrix released (8 comments)
Posted by Badb0y @ 08:45 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
sst13 has released a Quake 3 Map called "The Campgrounds - Matrix Edition" on lvlworld.

Also available is a Quakelive version on steam.

q3dm6 got Matrix'ed! Which pill will you choose?!

Links: Overview on lvlworld
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Wow QC is sick (2 comments)
Posted by mray557 @ 05:25 CDT, 22 April 2017 - iMsg
Just played it.. dominated it. it is the best FPS game I've ever played. It's so smooth, it's so fast, it's so beautiful...

I just need that picmip 10 cmd
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Can't Wait for QC Open Beta So... (21 comments)
Posted by Terbo @ 15:26 CDT, 21 April 2017 - iMsg
...we can have actual constructive conversations around the game rather than people complaining about something they haven't even experienced.
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Reflex 1.1.0 Update (130 comments)
Posted by entik @ 10:55 CDT, 21 April 2017 - iMsg
A new update for Reflex is here, featuring new announcer sounds, cosmetics, matchmaking and art tweaks.

Hi person(s),

Wen is now.

Here's your log of changed things.

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Giving away beta key (44 comments)
Posted by 808 @ 06:51 CDT, 21 April 2017 - iMsg
Pick a number from 1 to 100.

I'll pick the winner at 3:30-4pm (CEST) using

Have a great weekend guys
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New beta weekend starts today (20 comments)
Posted by MOLLYB @ 03:52 CDT, 21 April 2017 - iMsg
Anyone got a key yet? Gonna be nice to see what difference they made from the last beta.
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Willits Interview PC Games (1 comment)
Posted by Gobotz @ 03:36 CDT, 21 April 2017 - iMsg
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No console (41 comments)
Posted by Gibaholic @ 00:04 CDT, 21 April 2017 - iMsg
Even CS GO has a console...

With everything else piled on top.. I think i'm good on this shit

even the game i'll be playing has a console and it's rising storm 2...
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Quake Champions : Spectator features a priority (31 comments)
Posted by dem0n @ 14:43 CDT, 20 April 2017 - iMsg
Much in the same fashion as the video from the Russian channel "C-c-combo breaker!", French journalists from the most popular gaming website in France,, have gone into the id Software headquarters and gathered information for the much anticipated Quake Champions.

Here's what I could loosely translate and the link to the video itself.

Link: jeuxvideo Video
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All the hate towards QC (138 comments)
Posted by He4rTL3sS @ 13:33 CDT, 20 April 2017 - iMsg
Guys, seems like 80% of the ESR userbase just wants QC to be Q3 with new engine/graphics.
This is stupid. Why ?

Because we already had it, it's called quakelive. Yes, same engine than Q3, but improved slightly especially on the textures and on some visuals effects. QL is basically Q3 in HD with 16:9 support and HD screen's res support, with relatively high definition textures.

See how it went ? Basically every big e-sport events dropped QL, only left is QuakeCon. Majority of people just got bored of the same Q3 gameplay @ picmip 16. Reflex already tried CPMA/CPM on new engine, but didn't take off, and people went back to Q3.

Most hardcore die-hard fans of Quake are close-minded and way too elitists to see that actually id made a good move with QUAKE Champions.
With every new version of Quake we saw changes. Especially from Q1 to Q2. And Q1 was a major change from DOOM 2, and already at that time, die-hard DOOM's fans complained about how Q1 is not DOOM and why it sucked compared to it.
When Q2 came out, Q1 die-hard fans complained about railgun, slow movements, not-like-q1-at-100%-gameplay etc...
When Q3 test came out Q2 players complained about the fact that Q3 was just basically a worst version of Q2.
When Q4 came out, people complained about crouch-sliding being a worst version of air-control, Q4 gameplay to be an exact copy of Q3, but only a worst one.

Now QC brings to us the Champions and some new rules, die-hard QL fans are complaining about that.

Yes, new gameplay elements are always scary at first, but once you get used to them you start to feel again in your "comfort-zone", and start to realize that it's not necessarily a bad thing, just different. And what means different means NEW & FRESH, means "noobs" A.K.A. new players more tempted to try out the game, means better critics from the gaming journalists, means more FUN overall for the not "die-hard-quake-fans-playing-it-for-15-years".

And one last thing, QC will obviously not follow the same business-model than QL (which is a good thing like I said already), BUT, look, let's be honest, it still has :
1°) Quake-Like graphics
3°) Strafe-jumping, bunny-hopping, crouch-sliding
4°) Items to pick up
5°) Maps that feel just QUAKE
6°) Well known Quake characters models (ranger, visor, anarki etc) and some new ones that just look fantastic (Nyx is sexy af :D)

7°) IT'S STILL QUAKE AT ITS CORE-GAMEPLAY <----- MOST IMPORTANT thing ever, the rest doesn't matter THAT much.

We'll just have to adapt to some new gameplay elements and to some new gametypes, but the best Quake players will still be the best because true-hardcore-quake-gameplay is still there and not broken, we'll just adapt to the new other things eventually and feel in our "comfort-zone" again.

If you're intelligent enough, you'll adapt... or die if you're dumb :P
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Posted by wwwAnyBoy @ 12:34 CDT, 20 April 2017 - iMsg
QC lessons

Why ppl love Counter Strike?

Because of films, and also every man must serve in army. CS perceived naturally
as self-evident. All rules about CS well known from films.

Why ppl away from Quake?

Fantastic, unnatural. Strange rules, unknown rules. Strafe Jumping? WTF?

Of course there are many fantastic films, but the life reality tells us that statistically more ppl love non-fantastic films.

There are another unnatural games like chess. It's not like CS and not like Quake. Chess is something 3rd kind of game. Other breed of games life.

Chess has been popular in newspapers and tv many years ago. Governments want to teach their ppl to think. If ppl became smarter, then, they can build more hi-end weapons, like nuclear rockets and etc..

In this article, i tell that Chess is more difficult than Quake. How to proof that? If Cooller became PRO (2600+ ELO) in 2-3 years or something like this and if Magnus Carlsen became pro (2600+ ELO) in 7 years, then 7>3 and chess is more difficult.

So, i assume that chess is more difficult and unnatural like quake. May be chess is more unnatural: fucking squares, they white and black, fucking pieces.. what is that? Two big men 50 years old, moving small pieces on the board? Who can love it?

So, if we exclude media influence about chess on ppl. How this site can accumulate 22 000 -66 000 duelists? In Quake we has only about 100-200 every day.

Lets go on site

First that i can see:

1. ELO ratings
2. Lessons (rules, theory, video, replays)
3. Training apparatus for improvement of skills (solving problems with timelimit aka tactics, vision trainer)
4. You can buy your personal teacher.
5. You can analyze your game with computer engines (Stockfish (3400+ ELO), Hoodiny (3200+), Komodo (3400+) )
6. I can see a link Game is difficult, but kids can play !!!!
7. Winrate stat! This is TRUE stat! Not bullshit!(60% my RG? and 60% Rapha? is it means we has equal aim? haha!!! NO!!!! hahahah he has 60% on more difficult opponent than my!!!)

Look at their menu! I recommend you to register on to feel the power of their system!

Ok, now we must ask ourselves: what we have in QC from system?(menu?, lessons? ELO?). 66 000 ppl playing most difficult game in the world without game simplifications!!!!

I think they simply dont let low skill player to play with pro and gives a lot of help to newcomers! SYSTEM GIVES A LOT OF DIFFERENT HELP, BUT NOT PRO PLAYERS (but pro too =) )

So in QL we had some amount of lessons (rocketjumps, tricks) and this is right direction for making newcomers feel better. But i think it was bad lessons! And it was bad form of learning! Small amount of lessons! Bad teacher!!!!! BAd!!!! And we must suggest to ID a better kind of lessons and "training apparatus for improvement of skills" they must BUILT IN in QC.

-aim trainer
-strafe trainer
-timer trainer 12+25=37, 45+30=15
-video with zero4(he teach how to jump)

and etc etc etc

Suggest your lessons, training programs, techniques. And ID will built in all of this in QC, if they not idiots.

May be later we can send to bethesda forum all our work.
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Quake Champions current Duel mode revealed (150 comments)
Posted by Slasher @ 07:16 CDT, 20 April 2017 - iMsg
The current iteration of Quake Champions duel mode has been revealed by Russian YouTube channel C-c-combo Breaker!, which features a match between QC Lead Designer United States of America Adam "SyncError" Pyle, and new QC Esports Manager United States of America John "ZeRo4" Hill.

(Duel starts at 6:20)

As broken down by PlusForward, QC Duel works as follows:

- Matches are best of 3 rounds. 2 rounds wins the match.
- At the start of the match each player picks three champions. The same champion cannot be picked more than once, and each player can have the same champions.
- After each death you respawn with your remaining champions, pickups are reset at the end of each round.
- Rounds last until one player has lost with all three champion picks, or until the timelimit is hit in which the player with more champions left wins the round. In case of a tie, the game heads into sudden death OT.
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Need help regarding server hosting Small-CA (5 comments)
Posted by Alborz @ 05:29 CDT, 20 April 2017 - iMsg
Dear ESR/Friends

I've been enjoying a lot of small-CA lately (mainly 1v1/2v2) and found that it's a brilliant way to sharpen combat skills and to test it versus a broad range of opponents. Over the course of months I've been able to make new friends who share my views and I would like to host a server for the coming months as a bridging period between QL and QC to keep high level practice games going.

Reason? Other servers like team prophecy 2v2 don't cut it for me, admins are nowhere to be found and lots of people complain about delayed shots or connection problems on the server and people joining that don't match other people's skill level resulting in useless arguments and wasting of time of people eager to F3.

So just to avoid the hassle for everyone I think it would be a good move to host one myself. The incentive is to make it a main server for 1v1/2v2 or 3v3 ca-games for 1900+ ELO or invite only. If it gets to be a succes I'll even think about hosting a weekly 2v2 cup with small price money for the winners to maintain a competitive atmosphere.

Do any of you guys have experience with 3rd party hosting and can anyone recommend me a good one? I would like to host a server in Amsterdam or Frankfurt and 10-12 player max slots. Also, need help, tutorial, steam friend invite, or someone who can help me through the process and/or steps into setting up the server to desired parameters, i.e: maplist, skill requirement, white/blacklist, people who don't meet ELO requirement but may join nonetheless due to invite/steam-id etc.

Contact me here, on discord (I'm in ESR channel @Alborz) or on steam:

Help & tips would be greatly appreciated & thanks in advance!
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about 3x round duels (7 comments)
Posted by wwwAnyBoy @ 23:53 CDT, 19 April 2017 - iMsg
In that duel mode besides armor system, spawn system has been cut out (simplification). Also, this unusual frag limit and spawn limit makes gameplay more random (random win). Unlucky spawn and you lost your main (for this match) champion. You can easy lost or make your first frag, which now always first. And you can't pick the same champion twice.

Anyway, i'm not against this duel mode, he's good for newcomers as TDM in beta.

Besides this simplifications (big as half of the planet, without exaggeration) we have: not balanced champions, there are no many QL settings, there is no Grenade Launcher (GL is pro gun). We dont know anything about 1x1 maps, they can be very awful. Now if you want to make 1x1 map, you need to know many gameplay aspects. Also current maps has many textures and polygons, and it is more difficult to create them and to fix.

Somewhere here on esr there is one as..le who offer hooney mode(when after each frag game resets). So current 1x1 mode is a modification of this hooneymode. Oh god.. i want to tear off his hands. I want to implement all abilities to devs right in their office.

As for me, if i can't see at least QL 1x1 copy with built in ELO ratings, i will not download this game. If it will be classic 1x1 but without ELO, i also will not download a game. Competitive game without ELO is not a game. I do not want to rape low skill players, and i do not want to be raped much more ( my cost 50% of win games from total, with players which skills equal to my ).

For now, there are no something serious and hardcore(except shooting), something that was adjusted in right way.
I want something difficult for my brain, i want to see many different tactics, i want to see how pro players develop and implement this tactics in game. I want to see a game, which King of the shooters, and deservedly (because of difficulty), but not because some tricky marketing-man, like skilled pedophile has seduced schoolboys by beautiful wrapper. I want to see how pro players became respected everywhere.
And those pro who pensioners, writes their books "how to play quake, 1000 secrets, tactics".

I offered in 1x1 ELO, selectable spawns, ability to increase enemy ping if his lower than mine, fixed loadouts. Big practical reasons for this, with proofs.

Also i want to write many bad words.

But i will wait for next 6 months. And if i will not see any minimal positive changes (built in ELO, fixed 1x1, etc..), i delete all info about QC from all places i can, and will destroy game everywhere i can until her death.
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The toxic server that is OSO (4 comments)
Posted by qwveteran @ 18:32 CDT, 19 April 2017 - iMsg
Every time I've played on OSO I've seen nothing but admins harassing players for completely nonsensical reasons. Constant kicking and banning for people simply talking to each other. The main admin bobg seems like he's always on edge yet every once in a while he actually comes off as reasonable. But even offering a different opinion to most of the admins on the server and they just instaban. What happened to the days when admins just adminned the instead of trying to push ideals and certain ways of playing the game on you. Even offering bob help when he was talking about server bugs and the person was banned, for offering HELP.

Then there's the constant manipulation of ELO by certain admins completely destroying the whole point of the ELO system. Yet at the same time they claim they are worried about the game being unbalanced. Seems like the entire server was created by people who have no history with the game and just need to feed there obsessive control freak tendencies.
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New duel mode (141 comments)
Posted by Devil61 @ 08:19 CDT, 19 April 2017 - iMsg
New duel mode ruleset:
A match (map) is split up into best of three rounds.
At the start of the match each player picks three different champions.
A round lasts until one player has lost all three of his champion picks.
After you die you can freely pick from your remaining two or one champions and respawn into the ongoing game.
After a round ends (one player has lost all three champions) the map / pickups get reset.
The winner is the player to first win 2 rounds.

Edited by Devil61 at 11:47 CDT, 20 April 2017 - 4154 Hits
IGN Quake Champions 5 minutes of gameplay (87 comments)
Posted by Slasher @ 07:50 CDT, 19 April 2017 - iMsg
IGN has released a near 5-minute video featuring gameplay from the Quake Champions beta.

Footage contains champion Slash played on Burial Chamber.

IGN has also released a preview video.
Edited by Badb0y at 15:26 CDT, 20 April 2017 - 3338 Hits
How TTK have ruined shooters. (12 comments)
Posted by Terbo @ 01:34 CDT, 19 April 2017 - iMsg
If you want to make your multiplayer shooter more accessible no matter how complicated the movement and weapon system becomes there's one metric that makes the most newb of the newbs feel productive... simply lower the TTK. As long as player A can see player B sooner once and a while they'll win the shoot out.

Then there's an alternative to this concept. High TTKs with tons of rewards, medals, skins and micro strategic decisions made over a long period.

These are two approaches to making a high skill ceiling SPORT accessible to people sitting on their couches.

Imagine if Tennis went from a group of highly skilled players to something millions of people played from their couch...
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Jumping around (QUAKE LIVE) (43 comments)
Posted by Smilecythe @ 22:13 CDT, 18 April 2017 - iMsg

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Rating: 8.6 (15 votes)
I decided to deploy my autism and hunt for some tricks still in 2017. There's a mix of original tricks with improvised classics, as well as abusing autohop at 3:21 forwards. I wouldn't call this a freestyle movie, since the tricks aren't really that arbitrary or out of the realm of regular gameplay and are for the most part quite HP-control friendly.

This is part of my Jumping around series, consisting of various games. Check the playlist over here.

Song: Ray Otaki - Blood Pool
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Am i nuts by still play at 4:3 res? (59 comments)
Posted by LOLatRoflexTimers @ 20:17 CDT, 18 April 2017 - iMsg
I got my new 16:9 monitor, coming from my old 16:10, which I still used 4:3 res

I tried 1920x1080 but it just feels weird

I know its a big disadvantage because I cant see if there is someone sneaking in on the corners (example, in ztn on RL area, I cant see if someone is coming from the left without actually moving the mouse a bit)

but I cant see Q3/QL without 4:3, feels weird on my brain

I can play QW in 16:9, but not Q3/QL

Im trying to get used to 1920x1080 with downsized 1 time so the screen feels smaller.
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HoQ TDM Spring Season Round #3 (20 comments)
Posted by doz3r @ 16:39 CDT, 18 April 2017 - iMsg
The schedule for round 3 looks like this:

Thursday 20/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Hungary Team Hungary vs Europe Rekt

Friday 21/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Europe Rekt vs Russia B52

Sunday 23/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Russia KogdaKvad vs Sweden lastpick
Div1 Russia B52 vs Hungary Team Hungary reschedule
Div2 Europe I Love My Squad vs Russia Raks wildcard by Raks
Div3 Czech Republic Virtual Owners vs Europe Placebo Effects

Monday 24/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Russia KogdaKvad vs Russia B52
Div2 Russia Quake Brothers vs Europe unnamedteam
Div2 Russia Hey vs Europe Zombei wildcard by Zombei
Div2 Europe I Love My Squad vs Europe Pandæmonium

Tuesday 25/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div3 Sweden OverPowered vs Europe Chess Club
Div3 Poland Platige Team vs Europe Placebo Effects
Div3 Europe get armor frag bitches vs Russia Catz&Slipper reschedule

Wednesday 26/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div3 Russia Catz&Slipper vs Poland Platige Team

Thursday 27/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Europe Falafel Kings vs Europe Rekt
Div3 Russia Anchors vs Czech Republic Virtual Owners

Streams: twitch 102 twitch d1z twitch h8m3 twitch k1lljoy twitch luminus twitch proZaC twitch rehepapp twitch roumaniancham twitch xkisa twitch Xron
Links: Rules Schedule House of Quake mIRC HoQLeagues Twitter HouseofQuake
Edited by doz3r at 14:46 CDT, 25 April 2017 - 1105 Hits
Quake Champions preview by IGN (4 comments)
Posted by iavoal @ 14:53 CDT, 18 April 2017 - iMsg
Big preview from one of the largest gaming network in the gaming industry (IGN claims to be #1 games media company).

Smells like esport networks are buying it.

They fucking have 10 million subscribers on their channel, gals. Now that looks like a real promotion.

Props to Z4, i guess!

And not a bad play in the video, not a bad at all, finally.
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My impression about quake champions (56 comments)
Posted by Devil61 @ 07:26 CDT, 18 April 2017 - iMsg
Some retard in bethesda banned me for NDA when i havent said anything so now can say my impression on this game.
This game is almost shit with this champions
If you have anarki and you take red and mega you are pretty impossbile to kill, just use injection and get full life again.Is like shafting anarki for 30 min and he just use injection and then kill you.
Galena is fucking broken sometime rail in his body is not hitted.
Rocket is shit delayed 1 second and with netcode if you have 60 ping is like 2/3 second.
Rail is 80 dmg and if you use scope is 100 dmg, so if you scope you can instashot champions with lower life like anarki.
Netcode and hit reg is broken sometime hit is not registered.
Fps performance is fucking bad with 180 fps you drop to 100 without reason.
Sound is shit you cant hear any step.
enemy visibility is shit you dont have any green bright skin or enemy outline just shitty tringle in head invisibile 90% of the time
Lg have shitty particles which cover the visual on enemy.
TDM is good for newbs weapon spawn after 5 second and is the only thing good.
Oh red and mega now spawn every 30 second
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Posted by wwwAnyBoy @ 23:00 CDT, 17 April 2017 - iMsg
3 features vs 10 features

This post about how PRO player differs from Mediocre player.

Game is hard when your opponent is god. Players love to win.

EXAMPLE: in QL gameplay there are 10 abstract features: a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,e,j . And pro player uses all 10(due to his skills). But newcomer can use only a,b,c(due to his skills).

And ID make in QC only a,b,c(instead of 10 in QL) for newcomers, this is simplifications, they cutof 7 features. Instead of simplifications, they need to simplify opponents(by using ELO rating).

So ID can complicate(make harder) QC as many as they can, becaouse ELO rating helps you. PRO players will use 10 of 10, middle players 5 of 10, newcomers 3 of 10. Everyone will win 50% of games.

For example: In QL for now

mediocre vs pro

a,d,e vs a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,e,j (1254 vs 2712)
a,e,h b vs a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,e,j (1413 vs 2772)
a,b,g,j vs a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,e,j (1454 vs 2678)
f,b,j,c vs a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,e,j (1500 vs 2645)
g,b,e,d,a vs a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,e,j (1843 vs 2788)

mediocre vs mediocre

a,d,e vs d,e,f (1254 vs 1299)
a,e,h b vs f,g,h,e,j (1413 vs 1543)
a,b,g,j vs a,c,d,e,j (1454 vs 1432)
f,b,j,c vs g,h,e,j (1500 vs 1511)
g,b,e,d,a vs c,d,e,f,g,,j (1843 vs 1921)

For example: In QC for now

mediocre vs pro

a vs a,b,c (1254 vs 2712)
b,a vs a,b,c (1413 vs 2772)
c,a vs a,b,c (1454 vs 2678)

mediocre vs mediocre

b vs a (1254 vs 1299)
a vs c (1413 vs 1543)
c vs b (1454 vs 1432)

10 abstract features, this is real features in gameplay, not in my head ;). I just make my text simple for you, not going in to details.

That's why

Instead of simplify game for newcomers, simplify newcomers opponents, by ELO rating
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Demo Call from Lotzy (8 comments)
Posted by xerosawyer @ 17:12 CDT, 17 April 2017 - iMsg
Hey guys, was asked to post this:
Hello everyone, its me Russia Lotzy and I'm in the process of making my new movie, but I suddenly realized that I don't have enough material to finish. I will need some help from the community, and by "help" I mean your demos with some solid content. If you are ready to share some, feel free to send them right here

Please remember to follow these criteria:

• The game can be either Quake live or Quake 3.
• Modes such as: duel, ctf, tdm are welcome.
• It can be any type of physics (VQL, PQL, VQ3, CPM)
• Make sure that the name of the file contains: your nickname, map and the time of the frag e.g. player-aerowalk-4:20.

Thats it guys. If you have any questions you can ask me straight on Discord (on CPMA and QLRU Pickup Channels) or send me an email. Check some of my recent work below.

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360 degree FOV (2 comments)
Posted by Lup1n @ 09:02 CDT, 17 April 2017 - iMsg
Interesting video i cam across of a guy using 360 degree fov in Q1. If someone could implement it into QL might be useful for agent? :)

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EMOJIS on ESR?????!! [OMG] (27 comments)
Posted by ika @ 02:18 CDT, 17 April 2017 - iMsg

i would like to say that earlier I did not know about the new "emoji" trend because I did not use the cell-phone internet sections due to a lack of content... BUT!!! I noticed that on a forum that is near & dear they had these funny smiley men?? and it was cool to put smily men in the commends because it makes them look so much nicer ;0
So i would like to ask the admin of Esports are to add in the smiling "emoigee" faces into the ESR algorithim codes? please thank you very much it would be nice if ESR had emojicons because i like putting the crying smiley man with the "cool guy" AKA "cool guy" hand sign but not as if i am in a nergo gang ok???

I have added in two examples of the LIBERTIES that it has enabled me to write on my posts so that you guys KNOW that whne you add them in you will be able to feel the PURE QUALITY get crystalized as i dropp the sickest posts on ESR as ever before? from my sick BURN

I rest my case =]

t. Ika
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Recent debacle regarding NDA (82 comments)
Posted by Teen Queen @ 01:20 CDT, 17 April 2017 - iMsg
As most of you already know, we - or rather, I - have removed certain posts that included screenshots or content from Quake Champions Closed Beta.

This is not exactly an apology since I'm still unsure if what I did was wrong.

I just wanted to clear some things.

1) Active admins
When prompted in the admin forum, the response from 'active' admins was rather lackluster. Not many showed up, we wanted to prepare for QC, maybe bring in some new blood, welcome new users and potential admins among the ranks. For a long time now, you could count admins on the fingers of one hand - even that might be a stretch. Keeping spammers at bay, editing posts, resizing images, helping out with formatting, doing all the background work went unnoticed (as it should be). Things became tricky when a sensitive issue was discussed. No one really voiced their opinions regarding different subjects and when someone eventually did, it just so happened that their views were vastly different, often resulting in excruciatingly long diatribes that ended up with insults, no real consensus, bitterness between the team that was already minuscule. the NDA discussion was no different.

2) QC / ShootMania debacle
Around the time when ShootMania news started popping up, roychez contributing advertisement links and shoving the failed title down people's throat I was a regular user and I recall being pretty fucking annoying, angry and entitled - the Shootmania posts were so clogged with up with negative comments, Demiurge had to make a separate thread just for the negative comments, racking up a total of 455 posts in a matter of days. No one really knew what was going on behind the scenes beside the admins. This time round I was on the 'receiving end'. With one major disadvantage - I asked admins how are they feeling about NDA posts and responses were lukewarm.

3) Negative comments and my involvement in protecting users content
Now I'm not gonna bullshit you into how good of a person I am or pander - I started noticing that some posts went 'missing' after QC major news threads. One of the admins even notified me about missing content. It's not the first time I went out of my way and reversed an admin decision (which might cost me of the title at this point), but whenever there was an issue I sent a message to people that were affected, tried to explain what's going on and in most cases brought their posts back. Obviously I was caught red handed and a big, rather ugly discussion went on the admin channel on Discord.

I refused to sell people's comments, contributions, opinions that weren't "in line" with some admin's ideas. The people's who's comments got deleted might not be your favorite posters. They might not be important or vital for the existence of ESR. But they've been posting for years, ESR is like a retarded kid to me. Sure you hide it from the public and you're sometimes ashamed of it but deep inside you care for all the lunatics, spastics, downright terrible shitposters. You faggots have been part of my life for nearly a decade now, I won't let anyone keep you down, let your voices remain unheard in the depths of the deleted posts. I refuse to remove opinions and trash comments because this is what the site is built on, it's the site that we love.

I never deleted posts and insults directed at me nor silenced users for being harsh.

When everyone jumped ship I was a one man army keeping ESR afloat and heading to a better direction - The nature of my job offered me enough time and I was much more motivated to spam the board with Weekly Quake happenings, articles, interviews. I received up to 50 instant messages a day asking me to write a news articles for cups, formatting issues, requests to remove posts, just overall tidying up the boards etc

I am unaware how many people I got on my side throughout these years by being impartial or even helping out people that I used to argue with.

4) The final word on NDA
My intention was not to silence opinions, but as shown in the screenshot that's floating around from the admin section, remove posts that I kinda felt weren't really helping anyone - id managed to remove Twitch streams and I figured I'd be doing the right thing by deleting in game screenshots. I even voiced my concerns about 'grey area' NDA - there's a third wave of beta keys being dished out in the upcoming days and plenty of ESR users already played it and want to discuss it.

I knew this can't go on forever, I knew that I'm basically mopping the floor and doing someone I don't even know a favor.

I think that if <certain admins> didn't have the guts to touch the site in years, hasn't participated in any discussion, hasn't voice his opinion or contributed to the discussion, posting screenshots from the closed forum is a low move.

It is undeserved and I feel betrayed. A person who is not actively involved in moderation, who doesn't know half the story and goes around accusing me and even stripping me of my admin status after all I've done for this community seems just unfair.

Even though I was and still am the most vocal admin fighting for the users, bringing back their posts, notifying them when/why their post was deleted I get shat on by someone who never really cared about moderating the forums at all.

If you had something to say or felt that what I'm doing is wrong, you should have done it by either messaging me or bringing it up with the admins. We have a discord where we discuss sensitive matter, there's a closed admin forum and you can reach me anywhere - you just wanted to make me look bad without asking how I came to the conclusion of removing certain posts.

And that's pretty much all I have to say about it.

I know it seems easy to judge and I probably fucked up but trust me when I say I didn't know how to handle this properly.

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Should ESReality admins censor posts by QC beta users? (38 comments)
Posted by qmau @ 21:40 CDT, 16 April 2017 - iMsg

  (view results, discard poll)
Posts by Quake Champions beta users are being censored due to the claim by some administrators that the posts violate the Quake Champions beta non-disclosure agreement.

Is it the responsibility of ESReality administrators to perform this action? Please share your rationale after voting.
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what is going on with esr? (162 comments)
Posted by qmau @ 21:17 CDT, 16 April 2017 - iMsg
slasher is regularly deleting posts that do not violate user guidelines. here is an example of the quality of posts slasher is deleting. regular users may not be aware that deleting posts with replies is an admin behavior that is actively discouraged. site guideline violating posts with replies are to be nuked. slasher is not even notifying users about their posts being deleted. why is slasher deleting posts? does he have a particular agenda or motivation for removing posts that are critical of id software, or that inform users about id software's history in this community?

imagine that you expend your most valuable asset, your time, to craft and submit some content to esreality, and some administrator covertly removes your content without even the respect of notifying you as to why, or giving you an opportunity to defend yourself or appeal the decision. many of these users may not even realize that their content is being permanently removed and hidden from the history of this site.

esreality thrives on content, whether that content is controversial, celebratory, funny, embarrassing, critical, or whatever. by removing this content, users like slasher are artificially cultivating a particular experience for esreality users. are esreality users the sort of users who want people like slasher, teen queen, zaggs, etc., dictating what their experience will be? do esreality users need to be protected from other users sharing information about the quake champions beta?

teen queen and zaggs are censoring posts that they claim "break" the quake champions NDA. here is the admin conversation in which teen queen and zaggs "justify" their decision to withhold legitimate news and opinion from esr users. at least nukm has the integrity to bother to ask why this administrative behavior is occurring.

is esreality becoming fake news for quake champions?
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Some upgrades for Quake Champions?? (27 comments)
Posted by Jamerio @ 19:12 CDT, 16 April 2017 - iMsg
Aside from myself, I see two potential areas I can improve on with my gaming setup for quake champs, but could do with some input as I'm a out of the obsessive hardware loop which is easily done when you stop playing hardcore FPS.

Mouse & Screen.

Currently using Xornet 2 which I like a lot due to its light weight, and ergonomics, and two side buttons. But after watching this review (made hard to ignore by him being a decent looking quaker -, I'm kinda thinking there must be something better out there which offers similar weight, ergonomics. Does anyone have a problem with what he says about the offest of the mouse lazer position and is that a genuine concern or just placebo?

Currently looking at Ninox Venator which looks pretty perfect ergo wise and I'm guessing it has the latest tech.

Any other suggestions for mouse which is small, light, two side buttons and has great sensor etc?

SCREEN: Having been using a 4k 60hz screen as my main, I plugged in my old RZ2233 this weekend for a certain closed beta game and I could not believe how much smoother and better it felt. But its an old monitor now and one of if not the first 120hz flat screens they did.

What would be the best replacement for it under the £200 mark, and (I don't mind buying second hand for better spec), or spending a bit more if I have to.

More importantly, is it really worth me upgrading this, I don't want to throw money away, if I'm moving on from the RZ2233, I expect it to make a positive difference, not just on the benchmark, but in game.

Is there anyone out there who will vouch for saying you will be a better player on the monitor you suggest, vs the one I have and what aspects of your quake did it improve.

I have 3 spare keyboards too :]

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Top 10 Reasons Why Quake Champions Will Be Epic (17 comments)
Posted by airWin @ 06:33 CDT, 16 April 2017 - iMsg
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125 FPS Sunday Cup#76 (Season#35) (9 comments)
Posted by Nico_QD @ 14:47 CDT, 15 April 2017 - iMsg
Scheduled: 10:00 CDT, 16 April 2017 to 14:00 CDT, 16 April 2017
Schedule: Passed

The 125 FPS QuakeLive Duel Sunday Cup #76, as a part of Duel Season#35 (Mar-Apr 2017), will take place this weekend.

Donate: 125FPS Donate link.
Streams: Russia 102, United Kingdom zLive, United Kingdom nvc; Stream's HUB
Links: Season#35 page, 125FPS Balance 2017; 125FPS Discord
Edited by Nico_QD at 14:47 CDT, 15 April 2017 - 1809 Hits
zpm the best mode compensation of lag (18 comments)
Posted by negrocat @ 10:57 CDT, 15 April 2017 - iMsg
osp and cpma They lack of zpm
Lets face it..
Quake 3 Arena plays horrible online for most of us. with ping high
Check your game with other players from other countries
server ipute /connect
cl_allowDownload "1"
The mode is not complete because it lacks cg_enemymodel
But I added models green

mode zpm is much best what mode unlagged
mode zpm have compesantion for all weapons
mode unlagged only Shotgun Machinegun Lightning Gun Railgun

ZPM is a client side mod for Quake 3 Arena that has extra options coded in to enable client side prediction
of all weapons.
These options are enabled by default but can be disabled for those who wish to keep the latency in their aim
(for those who are so used to the way Q3A plays online).

When client side prediction is enabled the clients computer tells the server when you hit someone instead of
the other way around which means that all shots fired are instant and missiles appear instantly when fired.

As always a good high speed connection is going to be better, you'll be the first to tell the server
that you killed the other player...
What ZPM does is bring everyones aim back to single player like feel and this in turn gives not only
lpb's a slightly better aim but enhances all other high pings dramtically so there is no more delay in any
shot fired!
Everyone in ZPM is equal and nobody can now blame their ping as being the cause of thier misses.
If you don't hit, don't blame the mod, instead blame your skill.

Lets face it..
Quake 3 Arena plays horrible online for most of us.
Now there is no reason it should play like that with this mod unless you just have an unplayable ping.
Another good point is the fact that ZPM could open up the door for most people to be able to play on distant
Its not uncommon for 2 56ker's to connect to each other with this mod and be able to play a good game without
any advantages from one or the other!

Well people say "i like my ping" blah blah blah ...
Well i do too, but does that make it right that your ping is actually an advantage over me?
No, it doesn't and yes, it is an advantage.
Every Quaker out there knows how important a good ping is and most Quakers won't even play on a server
if their pings are over 100.
Now just imagine if it was always over 100 and on most server it was more 200-150ms,
and not to mention the fact that this ping is mandatory.
There isn't a cable company near you and your phone company is just to damn broke down to install dsl for
your area so now you rely on 56K.

Thats where the comical stuff come in to play and its when people go "well get a better connection'...
The fact of the matter is that i would if there was a better connection than 56k in my area.
This doesn't apply to just a couple of areas either, this applies to the majority of the world.
Earth is not hard wired with cable or dsl people! Most of us HAVE to settle for 56k.
This is also another good reason why so many people have left the q3 gaming community.
Most have gone to Halflife and some back to Q2.
All these points made in this news letter point to why we still need client side gaming.

Thats why ZPM has been developed.
To bring Q3A to a point where not just a hand full of cables and dsl's can play and
have fun but now everyone should be able to have fun.

Now with ZPM you can actually practice offline and your accuracy will get better online as well.
Building skill offline and using it online is possible in ZPM !!
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Quake champions netcode? (17 comments)
Posted by kartikeya @ 20:52 CDT, 14 April 2017 - iMsg
Hi guys, I was wondering since beta has been out for a few days now and there must be people who played with medium to high ping, how is quake champions netcode? Right now at ping 90 most of my LG shots seem to miss even if I get a lock on... how is it like to LG in medium - high ping in quake champions? or using the railgun ? What's the delag limit? Someone told me it's much higher than in QL but I just want to confirm it..

Hope it doesn't break any NDA or anything.......
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Quake Champions Sensitivity Converter - Source/Overwatch (27 comments)
Posted by psyda @ 17:58 CDT, 14 April 2017 - iMsg

I made this Sensitivity converter in Jscalc.

Convert from Source games/Quake, and overwatch to Quake Champions. Can also calculate your dpi and source/overwatch sens to cm/inch per 360.

I don't have definitive info about the sens in quake champions yet, but what from I can tell it has some sort of sharp climb multiplier as you raise your sens higher up and doesn't align with my calc.

For most cases this should get you a very good and accurate result.

Hope it's useful! :)

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Classic Maps You'd Like for Quake Champions (112 comments)
Posted by Terbo @ 21:52 CDT, 13 April 2017 - iMsg
Campgrounds is already guaranteed. What other classic maps would you like to see remade?

q2dm1 - The Edge is my vote.
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How can anyone like QC? (132 comments)
Posted by SllerroS @ 17:28 CDT, 13 April 2017 - iMsg
I mean honestly everything about it besides the graphics are completely and utterly disgraceful in my opinion. There are literally no current redeeming factors.

I can't get the game to run over 40-60 FPS (GTX 770, AMD FX8350)

LG and RG feel like they don't register for shit. RG feels delayed.

Classes exist.. With different health values, base speeds and fucking hitboxes..

RL is delayed and clunky as fuck..

Movement feels smooth at times and clunky at times..

Some classes are extremely gimmicky, oh yeah and classes exist..

The game just feels horrible in general.

Feels like you die to random bullshit and clusterfucketry just like OW all the time.

Too many particles to see what you're fucking aiming at. I left my glasses in another state but not that it'd help because the problem is so bad it's absurd..


Wall Hax


People skip around and lag like crazy, networking masterpiece.

You start with basically a weak and super inaccurate LMG, shotgun or PG..


Just play old Quake games? Oh, you mean the dead games that'll be 4x as dead because of QC?

This is honestly the worst FPS I've ever played, no lie. It's obviously an uninspired cash cow aimed at mainstream normies who're going to default to LoL, OW, CoD, CS:GO and BF1 anyway.


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do you think quake champions will have voice chat? (12 comments)
Posted by Tsubaki @ 15:39 CDT, 13 April 2017 - iMsg
this game is gonna end up like ql if it's added late
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Quakecon competitions! (46 comments)
Posted by skint @ 14:18 CDT, 12 April 2017 - iMsg

Nice to see Q1 and Q2 duels and QL CTF!
I presume these arn't the main tournaments? Shame as that means we might not get to see much of them at all!

I didn't realise DOOM had a CA mode.
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Quake Champion Clutch Profile (179 comments)
Posted by Teen Queen @ 10:13 CDT, 12 April 2017 - iMsg
id Software just released a new Champion profile.

"Clutch is playable in the Closed Beta, which kicked off April 6 with an initial group of testers. The Closed Beta test is ongoing, with additional invites going out throughout the next few weeks, so be sure to sign up now if you haven’t yet."

Shield on! Clutch, the awakened automaton, joins the battle as the latest Champion out for blood in Quake Champions. Built initially as a mining robot, Clutch was altered into an organic killing machine after a network malfunction during a routine data transfer. Now its only mission is to destroy all signs of life within the Arenas.

Next Quake Champion Profile: Galena (April 19, 2017)

Links: Beta Signup/Official website, tweet @QuakeChampions, Facebook Facebook
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CPU upgrade (16 comments)
Posted by Makie @ 08:39 CDT, 12 April 2017 - iMsg
so what do u guys think is it worth it now upgrading from I5 3570k to ryzen 1600x
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Slogan of a duelist (28 comments)
Posted by wwwAnyBoy @ 23:57 CDT, 11 April 2017 - iMsg
Everyone must repeat this slogan to Tim Willits 10 times

Instead of simplify game for newcomers, simplify newcomers opponents, by ELO rating

Instead of simplify game for newcomers, simplify newcomers opponents, by ELO rating

Instead of simplify game for newcomers, simplify newcomers opponents, by ELO rating
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HoQ TDM Spring Season Round #2 (10 comments)
Posted by doz3r @ 17:49 CDT, 11 April 2017 - iMsg
The schedule for round 2 looks like this:

Sunday 16/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Europe Falafel Kings vs Europe Worldstar reschedule

Monday 17/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Sweden lastpick vs Hungary Team Hungary
Div2 Europe unnamedteam vs Europe Zombei
Div2 Europe Pandæmonium vs Russia Hey

Tuesday 18/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div3 Europe Chess Club vs Russia Anchors
Div3 Czech Republic Virtual Owners vs Europe Placebo Effects reschedule
Div3 Europe Catz&Slipper vs Poland Platige Team reschedule
Div3 Europe get armor frag bitches vs Sweden OverPowered

Thursday 20/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Hungary Team Hungary vs Europe Rekt

Friday 21/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div1 Europe Rekt vs Russia B52

Sunday 23/04/17 14:00 CDT
Div2 Europe I Love My Squad vs Russia Raks

Streams: twitch 102 twitch d1z twitch h8m3 twitch k1lljoy twitch luminus twitch proZaC twitch rehepapp twitch xkisa twitch Xron
Links: Rules Schedule House of Quake mIRC HoQLeagues Twitter HouseofQuake
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I'm calling you out Slasher, OH YEAH! (No comments)
Posted by oceanofapathy @ 15:53 CDT, 11 April 2017 - iMsg
Linkage Here.

(Don't worry, ironically I got an invite same day after recording this)
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CONFIRMED: QC game design inspired by Chrono Trigger (6 comments)
Posted by phaZon @ 12:09 CDT, 10 April 2017 - iMsg
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Need a new mouse?!?! (31 comments)
Posted by skint @ 12:09 CDT, 10 April 2017 - iMsg
I currently have a Razer Salmosa Asian Edition which I love, I've always prefered using a small mouse. The spec is 96 x 54 x 33mm and 45g

The left mouse button is starting to get a bit shitty and will double click or sometimes not register, for instance when using LG holding down the mouse it will switch on/off firing.

Are there any decent mouse out there with a similar size/weight?
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Does a mouse that can replace the WMO exist yet? (39 comments)
Posted by LOLatRoflexTimers @ 05:53 CDT, 10 April 2017 - iMsg
-simple design (2 buttons and wheel, by 2 buttons I mean left click right click, no side buttons)
-similar size
-similar height for nice russian style claw handle

The only thing I dont like about the WMO is it doesnht have native 1000hz, so I have to always run that annoying trick to overclock the USB port, and I only do it to 500hz because im scared 1000hz will break something. 500hz is good enough tho.

If there are no replacements for this great mouse, I will continue to enjoy it for years to come as I will buy the Fatal1ty motherboard with the USB port that can has native support for higher hz without having to run windows in test mode.

I have 3 more spare WMO.
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ninox venator 3360 mouse (83 comments)
Posted by Tsubaki @ 03:44 CDT, 10 April 2017 - iMsg

this was put up a few hours ago i believe, might be interesting
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replacement for my abyssus 2k14 (15 comments)
Posted by DePaS @ 08:05 CDT, 9 April 2017 - iMsg
so i'm looking for a new mouse to replace my abyssus 2k14, should i just get an abyssus v2? or do i have better options? i also have a logitech g403 but i dont like the shape and the grip, so i was looking for the zowie za13 or logitech pro; g303, what do you think? is the za13 similar to the abyssus in shape?
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Optimal settings for 165Hz. (16 comments)
Posted by Diggl3r @ 15:31 CDT, 8 April 2017 - iMsg

Can someone please help me with the optimal settings for a 165Hz monitor in Quake Live w/NVIDIA 1080?

My current hardware is:

Intel i7-6700 4 GHz
ASUS PG279Q 27" Monitor
Resolution 2560x1440

I have set both Windows and NVIDIA to 165Hz and all NVIDIA settings are at default. GSYNC is enabled.

Gameplay is not smooth and mouse/KB feel disconnected from gameplay, generally laggy/rubbery. Opponents appear to slide/warp around and gameplay seems to "rewind" and generally just feels horrible.

My Lagometer looks good and ping is ~19-22. However, even when playing at 50 ping servers it feels the same.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Download link closed beta? (4 comments)
Posted by Lan-Di @ 10:28 CDT, 8 April 2017 - iMsg
I just bought a key from someone but i don't have a download link to download the closed beta. Can anyone hook me up?
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Anyone owns a ViewSonic XG2401 monitor? (27 comments)
Posted by LOLatRoflexTimers @ 08:32 CDT, 8 April 2017 - iMsg
What settings do you use here?


From Tomshardware:

There are six view modes that correspond to various tasks. One of them is called Game and that contains seven further presets. All provide various combinations of brightness, overdrive and input lag settings. The best video and gaming performance we found was in Standard mode.

SmartSync is something we haven't seen before. ViewSonic says it "automatically selects the best refresh rate and response time, and lowest input lag needed in FPS games." We're not sure why you wouldn't simply choose settings that give you the best possible performance. And FreeSync should eliminate any need to mess with refresh rate settings. When we turned it on, it engaged the dynamic contrast and reduced overall image quality.

AMD FreeSync is off by default so you'll have to check this box during the XG2401's initial setup. First however, you need to visit the Setup menu and enable DisplayPort 1.2 (shown below).

Response Time is the same as overdrive and has three levels of operation. Ultra Fast results in the least motion blur but adds a bit of ghosting. It was easy to see in test patterns and extremely detailed games. After playing a while, we returned it to the Standard setting.

Low Input Lag also has three settings that reduce processing overhead. On the Ultra Fast setting, we recorded results comparable to other 144Hz monitors and it had no ill effects on video quality. See our tests on page seven for more information.

Black Stabilization is a low-end gamma control. If you're having trouble seeing detail in dark areas of the screen, turn this up.

Advanced DCR will vary brightness based on content in four steps. We think this enhancement is best left off.

How do I set this out for ideal Quake playing?
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CPMA Already Did Quake Champions a Decade Ago (14 comments)
Posted by Terbo @ 00:19 CDT, 8 April 2017 - iMsg
Was reading this article on IGN Why Quake Champions Is the Evolution of the Arena Shooter but the truth is most of the concepts you see in these new cutting edge games, that are breaking the mold, where done over a decade ago. It's just now the mainstream are ready for them. All these Steam games where called mods when I was a kid.

Lets not forget CPMA had a mode called Not Team Fortress which is the predecessor to Quake Champions. I actually suggested on the QuakeLive forms years ago that they add NTF since it'd probably appeal to more casual gamers. So I'm excited to see QC is essentially it's spiritual successor.

Not hating against any modern games I just wish journalist knew their gaming history, but then again it's not easy to know of every mod ever made.

If you never played CPMA NTF I suggest you check it out with some friends.
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Willits on QC custom servers, team power-up usage (275 comments)
Posted by Slasher @ 15:09 CDT, 7 April 2017 - iMsg
Quake Champions Executive Director Tim Willits speaks to IGN on id Software's intent to please the longtime Quake community, the current usage of team-wide powerups such as Quad, and looking forward towards custom servers.
It is so important that we capture that core Quake community. If we blow it with the pro players, then we’re not going to get any casual players. Today, especially with spectating – people watching other people play games – watching the world’s best Quake players play a game of Quake is really enjoyable because they can do things that are just amazing.

We do feel that if we can capture those really competitive hardcore streamers, pro players, they will build a community around themselves. That’s huge for us. We do believe that can pull people in that may have been playing other first-person shooters.

The best players always still win. We have United States of America John “ZeRo4” Hill, a competitive Quake player that’s been on the scene for years. He is an employee here. He still wins. The focus of the game is on skill. You may use the active abilities for an advantage, or you may use them to help you get out of a situation that you feel is a problem for you, but the best players still win, and that’s important.

We have our custom game mode that allows custom games to be tweaked up a little bit But we do believe that people will play the game as it is. You’ll be able to adjust some things, but we really discourage that. We do believe that once people play it, they’ll be like, ‘Oh, this is cool.’ Because you know what? If you want to play Quake where everyone is exactly the same and you’re all the same character, just play Quake Live. It’s still available. We’ll have our custom game modes, but we don’t think people will actually play like that.

There are a lot of folks that say they want everyone to get Quad [Damage], everyone on your team gets Quad. Then there are some people that are, like, ‘No, we’re okay with the slight buff that we have now.’ And there are some people that are like, ‘No, it’s got to be a single person.’ That is definitely something that we are going to be looking at when we move into closed beta. It could possibly change.
Source: IGN Interview
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Quake Champions - A Message To The Community (113 comments)
Posted by megaman3 @ 09:38 CDT, 7 April 2017 - iMsg

Be more open minded you Quake3-only fags.
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Logitech C922 pro or or Razer Stargazer webcam for streaming (3 comments)
Posted by CAREEM @ 07:26 CDT, 7 April 2017 - iMsg
Hey, I just placed an order for Logitech C922 webcam for streaming, but still I can cancel the order. What do you think which one is better? I found here short review of both webcams and I think C922 is much better. I have paid 110€ for C922 while stargazer cost me 170€.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Video link (review):
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My BETA impressions =) (16 comments)
Posted by wwwAnyBoy @ 06:50 CDT, 7 April 2017 - iMsg
TDM became much better and fun with abilities than in QL. FFA too.

Many ppl wrote that game became like Overwatch...

No guys!

Its absolutely Quake!!! and QC much better than QL!!! (except million settings, and some info , but i think ID add it later)

Abilities must be fixed! One setting(config) for all abilities in TDM and another config for Duel. But not disabled! Abilities make game looking fresh, modern, interesting.

My Congratulation, It's time to forget QL =)
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Schemes of TDM Maps (3 comments)
Posted by maf @ 20:05 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
With the help of UDT Viewer i've made topview schemes of HOQ's mappool (except Ragnarok), with the arrangement of items and spawns.
Perhaps this will help to learn the maps for TDM beginners, as well as for those who want to work on tactics.


Grim Dungeons

Deep Inside

Dreadful Place

Hidden Fortress

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why I cannot trust id software for esports anymore (70 comments)
Posted by butcher_kgp @ 18:44 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
Controls beta invites sent out by region but fails to launch appropriate number of servers. Quakelive day 1 all over again when they could even predict demand.

I dont even want a key anymore, they have already failed.
Edited by butcher_kgp at 18:44 CDT, 6 April 2017 - 3146 Hits
Your Beta Impressions (28 comments)
Posted by airWin @ 14:06 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
Post them here please and let us know what you think about the current state of the game.
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Got a 2nd beta key (7 comments)
Posted by MOLLYB @ 07:53 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
Have a spare key if anyone wants. Not home atm but in 3 hrs
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125 FPS Sunday Cup#75 (Season#35) (17 comments)
Posted by Nico_QD @ 06:30 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
Scheduled: 10:00 CDT, 9 April 2017 to 14:00 CDT, 9 April 2017
Schedule: Passed

The 125 FPS QuakeLive Duel Sunday Cup #75, as a part of Duel Season#35 (Mar-Apr 2017), will take place this weekend.

Donate: 125FPS Donate link.
Streams: Russia 102, United Kingdom zLive, United Kingdom nvc; Stream's HUB
Links: Season#35 page, 125FPS Balance 2017; 125FPS Discord
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Any mouse modders in here? (1 comment)
Posted by Gibaholic @ 04:52 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
my wmo i've had for years is starting to act finicky with the left click. either double clicking or not regging at all. I guess common upgrades/fixes are replacing it with omrons? Would like a new cable non shit cable as well.. If anyone can upgrade this bad boy I'd highly appreciate it (of course I'd be paying) I'm in the USA.

No, i won't buy a new mouse. Rather not buy another WMO either if this can be remedied.
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QC PC Specifications / Framerate (37 comments)
Posted by certes @ 03:31 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
If it's breaking the NDA then ignore this post (or ignore it if you one of those trolls (: )

Graphics Card:

Average FPS:
Min FPS:
Max FPS:
Maps which cause FPS issues:

Disclaimer: Read the small print!

/will blow dust off this thread once QC goes public beta
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Quake live: communicating with team in clan arean (1 comment)
Posted by ika @ 03:04 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg

New tutorial looking on the in-depth about how it is that clan arena teams communicate with each other to organize tactics
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The "Who didn't get a QC key" thread! :'D (163 comments)
Posted by nvc @ 02:04 CDT, 6 April 2017 - iMsg
Why mourn alone!?
Edited by nvc at 07:42 CDT, 6 April 2017 - 6787 Hits
Request Invite - leave your email (12 comments)
Posted by CAREEM @ 21:31 CDT, 5 April 2017 - iMsg
I see that bethesda picked some random emails among of million emails that they recived. Let us loyal quakers also recive an invite in second wave. I hope they will see this message and sent us invites.

Here is my email:

Just leave your email in comment below.
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its official -= aliens exist man (22 comments)
Posted by p0rt @ 17:29 CDT, 5 April 2017 - iMsg
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Quake Live Frag Compilation by kRoNic (44 comments)
Posted by kRoNic- @ 14:01 CDT, 5 April 2017 - iMsg

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Rating: 7.5 (54 votes)
This is a frag movie I was working on in 2012 which I never got around to finishing.

I decided to finally release it seeing as Quake Champions is coming out. Better late than never!

Song: Headstrong by Trapt
Edited by Badb0y at 15:16 CDT, 6 April 2017 - 3392 Hits

<< Comment #1 @ 18:09 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
Why is makaveli in that poll?

since hes already back in quake :)
<< Comment #5 @ 18:23 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #1
Some of the other players are also playing QL at the moment, such as cha0ticz I believe, however, it is nowhere near the competitive scene and as such a comeback could be in order. If Makaveli has made a comeback to the competitive scene and I missed it then he should be removed though :)
Edited by Paladia at 19:17 CDT, 22 October 2009
<< Comment #6 @ 18:27 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Quake mbc  - Reply to #5 though not quite there yet :)
Edited by rift at 23:18 CDT, 22 October 2009
<< Comment #8 @ 18:41 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Czech Republic LukKe  - Reply to #6
you can hardly call that a "comeback to the competitive scene"
<< Comment #250 @ 01:24 CST, 1 November 2009 >>
By stermy bubble_ru  - Reply to #8
He is comeback, like Immortal was comeback for Quake IV lol.
<< Comment #117 @ 11:17 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By South Africa Linchpin  - Reply to #6
There's also the russian makaveli, don't know which one the poll is refering too. But the russian makaveli was really good.
-Edit- Looks like he is active again , and still pretty decent looking at his matches -> Rush3Dmakaveli
Edited by Linchpin at 11:23 CDT, 24 October 2009
<< Comment #120 @ 11:43 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #117
He's never not been active.
<< Comment #122 @ 12:11 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By South Africa Linchpin  - Reply to #120
good to know :)
<< Comment #173 @ 19:12 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By \0/ fragerr  - Reply to #117
he is not good because even i win him
<< Comment #317 @ 11:47 CDT, 29 September 2010 >>
By USSR Lowbird  - Reply to #117
yeah hes average or maybe above with game time
<< Comment #2 @ 18:10 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Czech Republic LukKe 
btw "uNkind" :p
<< Comment #3 @ 18:10 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By United States of America char 
czm or unkind

speaking of zero4 comeback:
<< Comment #4 @ 18:21 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By terran timmah 
Who is elpajuo? Never heard of that guy
<< Comment #9 @ 19:03 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Aragón tzz  - Reply to #4
Best CPM player in the US a few years ago, he played in the CXG and did really good (he had to play cooller in the WB finals but the even was shut down iirc) then disappeared a few years later and his family came here searching for help.
<< Comment #12 @ 19:34 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #9
Lost to cooller in the WB Semi final 2-1 (Won pro-q3dm6 if I recall correctly). Cooller then beat ZeRo4 in the WB Final 2-1 but the event was shut-down before the LB final between ZeRo4 and elp could be played (I think).

I think he was at QLAN2 as well.
Edited by iNkind at 19:34 CDT, 22 October 2009
<< Comment #13 @ 19:59 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #12
the event was shut-down before the LB final between ZeRo4 and elp could be played (I think).
They started playing T4 and when the score was 8-8 between them as network died for good. The organizers didn't care anymore at that point but the players wanted to proceed, regardless of the cash (which was never payed out in the end). So they connected Zero4s computer directly to elpajuo, however, the organizers then proceeded to shut down all power as well, so there wasn't much for them to do.

Hence all three, cooller, z4 and elpajuo are considered tied as #1 for that event.
Edited by Paladia at 19:59 CDT, 22 October 2009
<< Comment #14 @ 20:09 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #13
They agreed to be 1>2>3 qlr>z4>elp.
<< Comment #15 @ 20:38 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #14
That's not how I remember it, I'm quite sure they all considered themselves as tied #1 and decided to split all money and hardware.

Why would z4 be ahead of elpajuo when they only played one map which ended 8-8?
<< Comment #27 @ 04:34 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #15
WB Final.
<< Comment #33 @ 06:23 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #27
The final was to be between cooller and the winner of z4/elp (which was never finished). So how was z4 ranked ahead of elp? Regardless, you are mistaken, the official (and inofficial) results were as follows:

Duel Results:
1 - tied. Anton 'cooller' Singov (Moscow, Russia)
1 - tied. Alejandro 've-elpajuo' Gonzales (Venezuela)
1 - tied. John 'ZeRo4' Hill (San Diego, California)
4. Sean 'Daler' Price (Austin, Texas)
5 - tied. Paul 'czm' Nelson (Massachussetts)
5 - tied. Jared 'cha0tics' Cugno (Boston, Massachussets)
<< Comment #34 @ 06:25 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #33
Because z4 was in the winner bracket final and elp was in the semi.

I recall them agreeing to share the money (whether it got paid or not) split 1. qlr 2. z4 3. elp.

But anyway, it doesn't really matter and there's next to no accurate coverage of cXg anywhere and the ESR search function is beyond hopeless.
Edited by iNkind at 06:27 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #38 @ 11:55 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #34
No z4 and elp had already started playing their match when the servers were shut down.
<< Comment #40 @ 12:08 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #38
I realise that, but the match wasn't finished and like you said it was a tie.
<< Comment #97 @ 04:23 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
<< Comment #42 @ 12:20 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Earth Lethe  - Reply to #33
due to serious major tournament shortage, he has a physical need to count cxg as something cooller won, don't take it away from him :D
<< Comment #26 @ 04:11 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Aragón tzz  - Reply to #12
Ah, yes, that sounds about right.
<< Comment #257 @ 01:53 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Sweden blaze  - Reply to #12
I think he finished second at Qlan2 (cpm tournament).
Rat won, elpa 2nd, toxter third and snapcase fourth I think.

He played in the vq3 tournament also, but didn't do as well compared to the cpm one :)
<< Comment #289 @ 12:32 CST, 15 November 2009 >>
rat played in the vq3 tournament as well. If I remember correctly he didn't lose cpm1a to anyone.
<< Comment #290 @ 15:50 CST, 15 November 2009 >>
By Sweden blaze  - Reply to #289
I think that's correct. He was quite lucky that cpm1a got picked for the vq3 tournament :D
<< Comment #20 @ 00:53 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Frags medal crv  - Reply to #4
one of the best dm6 player
<< Comment #54 @ 13:35 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Germany lizahd  - Reply to #20
please cut off those retro stats!
<< Comment #55 @ 13:38 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By badys tshirt Badb0y  - Reply to #4
elpa had a really unique AGRESSIVE style, nice to watch.
<< Comment #104 @ 09:22 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By amerikkka voodoochopstiks  - Reply to #55
RJ binds :DD
<< Comment #143 @ 03:49 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By United States of America sixide  - Reply to #55
Whenever I watched him move around, especially on DM6, he would do some things that seemed completely crazy or doomed to failure. They always seemed to pay off, though.

One time he did the standard bridge to rail and it seemed obvious he was going to miss. He managed to air-control himself over farther than seemed possible like it was nothing. Also he would regularly dive down onto players where it would seem they would shaft him to death before he hit ground but it never seemed to cause him any trouble.
<< Comment #297 @ 10:07 CST, 21 November 2009 >>
By Netherlands Terifire  - Reply to #143
One time he did the standard bridge to rail and it seemed obvious he was going to miss. He managed to air-control himself over farther than seemed possible like it was nothing.

Want to see this:D
<< Comment #318 @ 08:00 CDT, 30 September 2010 >>
By Denmark amOKchen  - Reply to #297
He did a lot of that stuff from what I saw, some of the most enteraining movement ever for sure! he is missed ;<
<< Comment #99 @ 04:33 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Unset gnarf  - Reply to #4
<< Comment #174 @ 19:13 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By \0/ fragerr  - Reply to #99
<< Comment #105 @ 09:23 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By amerikkka voodoochopstiks  - Reply to #4
only south american quaker to "make it big" afaik. Loved watching him play though.
<< Comment #167 @ 15:10 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Greece MaJunior  - Reply to #105
you forget reef, the Fatal1ty killer :D
<< Comment #194 @ 13:41 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By Sweden phaces  - Reply to #4
...alias elputo...he´s gg :)
<< Comment #7 @ 18:37 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By United States of America erok 
would like to see how fatal1ty would fair
<< Comment #10 @ 19:09 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Poland mefajpE^ 
czm - smarter choice. great personality, amazing player.
<< Comment #11 @ 19:32 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini 
<< Comment #16 @ 20:39 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By mcdonalds phz 
For me, unkind would be most fun to watch in qlive with his rockets.

But the hype for fat, czm or tox matches would make for fun spectacting too.
<< Comment #17 @ 21:18 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By Netherlands QuiXilver 
<< Comment #18 @ 22:22 CDT, 22 October 2009 >>
By wc3_undead mammon 
Sujoy but that won't happen.
xext toxjq, not likely but he would be a top contender if he had the time to put in
third probably Fatality or czm, the mappool suits american playstyle at the moment with t9 and t7
<< Comment #19 @ 00:35 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By couple JayDee_ 
I voted for PELE cus I remember watching his old demos and being in awe about his interesting style. Most people probably don't remember him. He played a lot like unkind, just years before unkind was in the scene. Really smart and killer rox.

I don't think there is enough $ out there to motivate most of these people back. When you get older and have more responsibilities, it is impossible to put in the time required to be a top tier quake player. You have to choose to either dedicate your time to a game that nobody follows or do something real with your life.
Edited by JayDee_ at 00:40 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #300 @ 12:57 CST, 29 November 2009 >>
By SpawnRaped anal justice  - Reply to #19
this guy had the most unusual binds and I am not talking about smileys and such :)
<< Comment #21 @ 00:53 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Frags medal crv 
<< Comment #22 @ 01:26 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Beer! becks 
Sujoy. To this site \o/
<< Comment #23 @ 01:27 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
PELE was really good n1 for 2 years in rus... top 5 of that list imho zero4 unkind pele fatality lexer or lakerman
<< Comment #59 @ 14:06 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By heart rockz  - Reply to #23
no czm? shame on u
<< Comment #24 @ 01:37 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
daler chaoticz socrates makaveli blokey - why we need to see their comaback if we have rapha now =)... polos blue stelam were really interesting players but not really top imho... 9.sujoy 9.doomer(doomer 34 years old now) not sure that they can to play realy good nowdays.. and about thresh - it would be absolutly fantastic if we will see his comaback but so interesting... but of course i wanne see totally comaback of all players in that list =)
<< Comment #85 @ 23:26 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By ezQuake f0cus  - Reply to #24
Holy hell it's Alchemist03.

DUDE. Stop learning english, it's ruining the fun :(
<< Comment #197 @ 05:33 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By eldvakt LoCK  - Reply to #85
<< Comment #25 @ 02:41 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By zerg vedic 
I miss czm's cheesy antics. =(
<< Comment #28 @ 04:41 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By protoss micke 
<< Comment #29 @ 04:41 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Germany cYmoZz 
fatality + toxic
<< Comment #267 @ 05:05 CST, 3 November 2009 >>
By US-California Venim  - Reply to #29
exactly what i'd like to see
<< Comment #30 @ 05:05 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Finland duumed 
there are so many great players i'd like to come back since i wasn't following q3 in the first few years and didn't get to see them in action.

voted for czm
<< Comment #31 @ 05:52 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By QW tbone 
Fatal1ty will add legitimacy and glamour to tournaments. He will probably bring more sponsorship to Quakelive just by competing.
<< Comment #32 @ 06:07 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Sweden ArchaiK 
toxjq wihout a doubt. tox and fox 2v2 would make be spray things all over the screen.
<< Comment #35 @ 06:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Poland tifu 
it's really hard to pick only one, so i went with toxjq as i think he could come back and really compete. i'm not so sure about rest of those guys - they got old :P, moved on or just might not have time...
<< Comment #36 @ 07:52 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Slovenia ambro 
thresh comeback with a ferrari on quakecon :)
<< Comment #45 @ 12:29 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By QW_ cx  - Reply to #36
he sold it afaik
<< Comment #175 @ 09:32 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By dollar zoinks  - Reply to #45
Did Carmack buy it back? :D
<< Comment #37 @ 10:58 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Finland Tzeentch 

<< Comment #39 @ 12:03 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
I picked fat because you know he's gonna actually practice unlike the rest of these lazy bums
<< Comment #46 @ 12:33 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By terran timmah  - Reply to #39
Most of them practice, they all just tell different degrees of lies about the time.

But I guess time put in is not the only factor that will decide level of play.
Edited by timmah at 12:38 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #91 @ 02:33 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By wc3_human DamianLillard  - Reply to #46
Yeah that's what I meant, that all of them would stop playing completely between official tournaments! a gift for you

Edited by Vernon Schillinger at 02:34 CDT, 24 October 2009
<< Comment #41 @ 12:12 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Italy exp! 
crazyman e toxjq
<< Comment #43 @ 12:22 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Earth Lethe 
ain't gonna vote zero4 cause he probably has no motivation whatsoever to play again.

but i vote fatal1ty, cause fat returning to play would promote ql more than anything.

+ czm, ql fits his style
Edited by Lethe at 12:28 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #47 @ 12:46 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #43
Suits uNkind more!
<< Comment #48 @ 12:51 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Earth Lethe  - Reply to #47
unkind is so...2002 =(
<< Comment #49 @ 12:53 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #48
Can't believe z4 only has one vote.
<< Comment #51 @ 13:16 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Earth Lethe  - Reply to #49
probably everyone watched his latest demo :D
<< Comment #88 @ 01:42 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By mcdonalds phz  - Reply to #49
Only cause they got to see him play last year - so not much of a comeback
<< Comment #44 @ 12:29 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By QW_ cx 
fatal1ty + thresh,

thresh will never come back though,
and fat will only come if there is some more money.
<< Comment #50 @ 12:59 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By United Kingdom Six16 
I picked Fatality because id like to see how good he is now compared to the likes of rapha etc..

but id also like to see Lexer, stelam, blue and Lakerman come back..

Also, list needs Stelam adding :)
Edited by d3c4y at 12:59 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #52 @ 13:31 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #50
<< Comment #64 @ 15:40 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By United Kingdom Six16  - Reply to #52
er, well i was thinking it was a ninja edit, but seems its not, i didnt see :)
<< Comment #53 @ 13:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Germany lizahd 
slinger, kane, american makaveli, menendez, if22, pele,unholy (anyone remembers him?! :-D ) gogogo :p

i'd like to see fat and stelam if ive to choose tho,,,
Edited by lizahd at 13:33 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #60 @ 14:07 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By heart rockz  - Reply to #53
what do u enjoy on if22?
<< Comment #62 @ 14:51 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Germany lizahd  - Reply to #60
in his early days, like until cpl holland he wasnt +back at all :P
<< Comment #66 @ 16:08 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Netherlands Weird  - Reply to #62
wow someone who remembers if-22 not being +back.....
you might have a really good memory... or a really bad one. (I for one don't remember who played how before cpl holland Oo)
<< Comment #89 @ 01:44 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By mcdonalds phz  - Reply to #53
Imagine the joy of watching if22 +back t9 to defend a 1 frag lead :)
<< Comment #320 @ 05:56 CDT, 14 April 2011 >>
By CSS Furball  - Reply to #53
i'd rather see Dta back than if-22 =)

Phear the HPB Rail biatch! (unholy) =]
<< Comment #56 @ 13:39 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Netherlands Weird 
pfffffff, this should be allowed to vote on multiple persons....
Most of them would be really nice...

But I'm so torn between players I admired :(
voted for DOOMer though cuz he was the least voted for on the list of those ppl... and someone above wrote that makaveli is already back ;)
<< Comment #57 @ 13:44 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Germany lizahd  - Reply to #56
i claim most of the list startet ql at least once :PPP
<< Comment #58 @ 13:44 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By djogedj h8m3 
<< Comment #61 @ 14:30 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By knirtlotz*deotrip deotrip 
wanna see unkind & lexer back
<< Comment #63 @ 15:31 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By United States of America paulrrrr 
czm all the way.
<< Comment #84 @ 23:18 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Canada efassd  - Reply to #63
Hi czm.
<< Comment #65 @ 16:01 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By United Kingdom Thorin 
It actually blows my mind that Blue has 3% and unkind 16%. Fuck is wrong with you people?
<< Comment #67 @ 16:25 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #65
rather see unkind play since i've already seen enough of blue in ql :p
<< Comment #68 @ 16:25 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #65
<< Comment #150 @ 10:49 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Belgium Gladius  - Reply to #65
I slightly agree. Blue was really amazing in his prime q3 days, but his q4 days were not REALLY amazing. It was still nice to see him of course, but he couldn't threat the top players. I know he plays some QL, but just for fun I assume...
<< Comment #69 @ 17:01 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Swedish Shaft Torzelan 
Fatal1ty for QL's sake, Toxic for my sake <3
<< Comment #70 @ 17:56 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
Lakerman, babe, Lakerman

[ed] the list is kinda ridiculous, because many guys here did not retire for good -for example fatality, it is a well know fact the moment there will be big money prizes mister Anderson will be back, toxjq also played last year, and you miss him already?
Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 18:01 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #76 @ 19:22 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #70
Well, they retired from the competitive Quake scene (which they all were a part of earlier) and thus could come back to it again.
Edited by Paladia at 19:23 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #82 @ 21:49 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By baron Railgun  - Reply to #76
I would not call a year or two of inactivity, retirement. Even if it is technically retirement, as long as we've seen them not too much time ago, it's not enough to call it in a joy, the great return of the dark knight.
To be more specific, my daughter went down from our bed in the morning, and in the evening she was climbing it again, fully enthusiastic, I would not call what she was doing today, a truly retirement.
Same love story.
<< Comment #71 @ 18:21 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Norway netrex 
Impossible to make a decision. I want czm, Thresh, LakermaN and toxic back. Z4muZ is missing, and I want All*Nirvana to play a lot and show his skill internationally for real.
<< Comment #72 @ 18:23 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By baron Railgun  - Reply to #71
Ali Naab is missing too
<< Comment #73 @ 18:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Norway netrex  - Reply to #72
Never heard of him.. :P
<< Comment #74 @ 18:38 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By baron Railgun  - Reply to #73
<< Comment #75 @ 19:20 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #71
Z4muZ isn't missing as he's already doing a comeback. He's playing for excello, participated in the QL Quick Cup and has signed up for Dreamhack.
Edited by Paladia at 19:20 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #77 @ 19:29 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Norway netrex  - Reply to #75
Yeah, I was told after I wrote it :) I'm not really paying attention these days. His stats on QL seems good, hope he attends a big tourney soon.
<< Comment #78 @ 19:32 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #77
Didn't you read the Dreamhack part? :) It's the second biggest QL tournament if you count how many good players that are participating. Unfortunately I don't think he has enough time to prepare properly for it but will be great to see him in action again.
<< Comment #79 @ 20:06 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Norway netrex  - Reply to #78
Hm, no I didn't. When is Dreamhack? It would be nice to go there and photograph for ESR :)

Edit: I found it, starts on my birthday, if I read it right, 26th of November. It will be fun to watch :)

Edit 2: I'm checking traveling costs to see if I can do it, it would have been awesome :D Specially since in 2002 or 2003 I ended up not being able to go to QLAN :)
Edited by netrex at 20:21 CDT, 23 October 2009
<< Comment #258 @ 02:06 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Sweden blaze  - Reply to #79
come! :D
I'll fix you up with a press-pass if you can make it!
<< Comment #80 @ 21:02 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Uruguay gSTRUCTOR 
Easy one, fat ofc, it would be "HUGE"(c)2GD for QL.
<< Comment #81 @ 21:13 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By USSR s3cco 
<< Comment #83 @ 21:50 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By baron Railgun  - Reply to #81
damn rats, always scattering in the shadows, making me jumpy!...
<< Comment #86 @ 23:36 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>
By Germany butchji 
toxjq and SteLam :)
<< Comment #87 @ 01:39 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
Fatality is the one who could most realistically make a comeback and be a force in tournaments. Video games are supposed to be his full time job, right?
<< Comment #94 @ 03:07 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By B2L - Orange Animated NL dontwantlifestopit  - Reply to #87
and not for those for those other pro gamers who play 6-8 hours easily a day?
Edited by confusion at 03:07 CDT, 24 October 2009
<< Comment #126 @ 14:03 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
For $3000 every 6 months? lol.
<< Comment #90 @ 02:11 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Latvia fuzz 
czm and socrates
<< Comment #92 @ 02:48 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Sweden azmo 
Shub of course ;)
<< Comment #130 @ 15:31 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Fejl(Folklore)  - Reply to #92
That would be really cool:P
<< Comment #93 @ 03:03 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By ^__^ bl4ze 
<< Comment #95 @ 03:13 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
crezyman for hub
ZeRo4 for t4
<< Comment #96 @ 03:14 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
lexer, unkind, pele, socrates :(
<< Comment #98 @ 04:31 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
Someone else: 0.6% (1)3)


Dutch glory!
<< Comment #100 @ 08:43 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Belgium Gladius  - Reply to #98
I'm pretty sure forever is still playing =). Or do you mean as a dueller?
<< Comment #115 @ 10:51 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By B2L - Orange Animated NL dontwantlifestopit  - Reply to #100
Yeah I meant if he would make a comeback in the 'programing scene'.
<< Comment #202 @ 14:02 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By ql loveless  - Reply to #115
i wanna see some more chairs thrown
<< Comment #101 @ 08:44 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Belgium Gladius 
stelam and whole sk back for tdm =)
<< Comment #102 @ 09:10 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Germany lizahd  - Reply to #101
dont you prefer unmatched?
<< Comment #119 @ 11:25 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Belgium Gladius  - Reply to #102
well, no, since kane is my favorite player and he needs to be in it! =). (so that's stelam, kane, zyz, neok)
<< Comment #121 @ 11:44 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #119
Slinger not neok! (Not to bash neok of course)
<< Comment #124 @ 13:05 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Belgium Gladius  - Reply to #121
nah! I always felt slinger was the 'weakest link' in the unmatched days.
<< Comment #146 @ 08:54 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Germany Loop?  - Reply to #124
now that's odd. i suggest to watch some of the old demos which clearly show that sl1nger was one of (if not THE) the key players in unmatched's (or SK's) success. i always felt that neok was the "weakest" individual player in that team. all in all those guys were awesome together and seeing them again would be a pleasure. especially from a german perspective since we pretty much only have k1llsen nowadays.
Edited by Loop? at 08:57 CDT, 25 October 2009
<< Comment #149 @ 10:40 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Belgium Gladius  - Reply to #146
hmm, and it seems SK was mostly kane, stelam, slinger & para anyways, so I'd pick that team then.
I always thought slinger had often the worst NET/the most deaths. Gonna check some demos for sure! The good ol' days damned, I want them back ='(
<< Comment #153 @ 11:45 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #149
Kane was their "star" player, every time I've faced them he was always way ahead of the others. Even the maps they lost he was usually ahead of most of our players :)
<< Comment #181 @ 19:45 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By Germany Loop?  - Reply to #149
probably slinger was too busy yelling at his teammates for getting fragged on these occasions :D anyway, would be awesome to see some high profile tdm back, fully agree.
<< Comment #196 @ 05:07 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By Germany torfteufel  - Reply to #146
if you still have demos showing u or sk play tdm, esp. stelam pov ofcourse :DD
vote for stelam btw :]
<< Comment #162 @ 13:43 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Germany butchji  - Reply to #119
Kane is a professional football player nowadays. :)
He plays in the 2nd League in Germany.
<< Comment #164 @ 14:49 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By B2L - Orange Animated NL dontwantlifestopit  - Reply to #162
so he transformed his quake dodging and hitting skills into football :)
<< Comment #171 @ 18:26 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Belgium Gladius  - Reply to #162
yes I know, and he seems to be in the team quite a lot too.
<< Comment #103 @ 09:11 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By 011 nemecel 
Is uNkind alive?
<< Comment #106 @ 09:38 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By clawo Liam 
voted for unborn
<< Comment #107 @ 10:03 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
<< Comment #112 @ 10:27 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By United States of America K9-makaveli  - Reply to #107
I don't really use that account (that was my 1st and only game) as I like to play in peace/quiet and have a good time. That's what happens when you get old... you like quiet, haha! Especially sometimes when I come home in the evening after a few drinks...

I could always play Counter-strike when I had some liquor, but quake, oh boy... all over the place with some alcohol, haha.

I need to get rid of this monitor though... 25 ms response time and only 72 Hz LCD.... hehe -- I don't know how much it is gimping me, but from what I've been told, it is pretty bad.

I am trying to get Unholy, immortal, and some of my other friends to start playing again though.
Edited by K9-makaveli at 10:38 CDT, 24 October 2009
<< Comment #118 @ 11:22 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By South Africa Linchpin  - Reply to #112
your russian nemesis is still active :D, see link.
Edited by Linchpin at 15:01 CDT, 24 October 2009
<< Comment #136 @ 17:49 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By QW tbone  - Reply to #112
Hell yeah, you should try and form a tdm clan, atleast that you can still play for laughs without it taking too much time. Although I've heard tdm isn't big in the US atm :(
<< Comment #137 @ 19:42 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By 005 poindexter  - Reply to #136
Get the rest of Deathrow out of the rest home and back in ql...
<< Comment #108 @ 10:14 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
<< Comment #109 @ 10:16 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
No immortal on the list? ='-(
<< Comment #110 @ 10:21 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #109
He made a comeback in Q4 and didn't do all that great, not terrible by any means but not really that impressive.
<< Comment #111 @ 10:25 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By United States of America K9-makaveli  - Reply to #110
That's because I wasn't practicing with him!!! =) hehe
<< Comment #113 @ 10:48 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By B2L - Orange Animated NL dontwantlifestopit  - Reply to #111
woow you're back nice. always enjoyed watching your demos.
still play with that high sense?
<< Comment #116 @ 10:58 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By United States of America K9-makaveli  - Reply to #113
I think I'm just twitchy.. not really the sensitivity.
<< Comment #123 @ 12:17 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Germany lizahd  - Reply to #116
move unholy here asap!!! :)
<< Comment #125 @ 13:07 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By pirate mkeiy  - Reply to #109
lol that guy was a fucking drop kick
<< Comment #201 @ 12:06 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By couple JayDee_  - Reply to #109
An immy comeback would be cool. I always thought his style was unique and strange. He had slow clumsy movement, but could out aim everybody by a great margin. He would hit crazy rails in ql.
<< Comment #230 @ 10:16 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
<< Comment #232 @ 10:38 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By United States of America K9-makaveli  - Reply to #230
<< Comment #114 @ 10:51 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
1. Fatality or Toxic
<< Comment #127 @ 14:29 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By QW_ cx 
From Wikipedia (last sentence in the article about fat):
Has recently become a Full Tilt Poker Pro using his tag.

It seems 90 % of the progamers become pokerplayers after their gaming career.
<< Comment #128 @ 14:36 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #127
No education, no skills.

Poker awaits...
<< Comment #148 @ 10:38 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By United States of America K9-makaveli  - Reply to #128
I told him to go to college and not rely on the gaming stuff...

Hope he listened to me.
<< Comment #165 @ 14:50 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By B2L - Orange Animated NL dontwantlifestopit  - Reply to #148
Fatal1ty made a lot of money with gaming and he is now a business man who promotes his own products. Why should he go to college?
<< Comment #169 @ 17:35 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By amerikkka voodoochopstiks  - Reply to #165
Because he had to sell out and still has a quite unreliable job, it's nothing to raise a family or buy a house with, nothing in pro gaming is imo.
<< Comment #195 @ 15:57 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By United States of America K9-makaveli  - Reply to #169
<< Comment #207 @ 20:17 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By Netherlands Vo0  - Reply to #169
But...but...he's a millionaire.
<< Comment #214 @ 10:07 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By amerikkka voodoochopstiks  - Reply to #207
:D You want your own smug face on those motherboards?
<< Comment #268 @ 05:10 CST, 3 November 2009 >>
By US-California Venim  - Reply to #207
you should be on this list too btw
<< Comment #303 @ 08:15 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By US-California Cloud  - Reply to #169
its not unreliable. this comment is true ignorance. Are you his tax accountant? You actually know his income?

He's made. And i don't even agree with how he did it either.
Edited by Cloud at 08:22 CST, 8 March 2010
<< Comment #302 @ 08:13 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By US-California Cloud  - Reply to #128
poker doesn't take any skill?

How much money would you like to play for?
<< Comment #306 @ 08:42 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #302
Yeah, you got me, that was what I was saying.
<< Comment #308 @ 10:35 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By US-California Cloud  - Reply to #306

now i see what u did there..
<< Comment #129 @ 14:41 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By aggnog_duck vicek 
would love to see Fatal1ty in action

but... he loses in FFA shootouts :(
<< Comment #133 @ 17:47 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By QW tbone  - Reply to #129
Haha, it is really hard to win every FFA.
<< Comment #135 @ 17:48 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By aggnog_duck vicek  - Reply to #133
<< Comment #157 @ 12:27 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
<< Comment #159 @ 12:41 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By aggnog_duck vicek  - Reply to #157
yeah at some point in one of those 2v4 matches the score was, if i remember correctly, 197:0 ;-)

still beating him in ffa was a nice experience :p
<< Comment #131 @ 17:12 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
<< Comment #134 @ 17:47 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By QW tbone  - Reply to #131
Lakerman would be awesome, but he probably need too much time to get back into it. His old "esp" used to give me orgasms.
<< Comment #132 @ 17:47 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm 
tox and fat
<< Comment #139 @ 20:17 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By United States of America Hito 
Impossible to choose one, ive always liked Pele and Lakermans style. Would love to see Lexer, Czm and Fat back too though...

I think any match between rapha, cooller, fat and czm in their prime would just be amazing.
<< Comment #138 @ 20:10 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By Portugal stuntz 
Polos is rulez :D
<< Comment #140 @ 20:32 CDT, 24 October 2009 >>
By USSR EKSelenc 
uNkind or toxjq.
<< Comment #142 @ 03:45 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
immortal (usa), Shub-niGGa (nor) and Scion (nor).
Are true legends for me.
<< Comment #141 @ 02:16 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By cpma Adel 
<< Comment #144 @ 04:33 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Denmark amOKchen 
I've always been a lakerman fan, so heres my top5 :p

1. LakermaN
2. toxic
3. unkind
4. daler
5. elpajuo (this guy was amazing not much footage on him though)
<< Comment #145 @ 05:35 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By rpnew telly 
<< Comment #147 @ 08:59 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Germany Loop? 
lexer,stelam,sl1nger,zyz,kane, czm,fatal1ty, in no specific order.

+ cooller being as successful as he used to be ;)
Edited by Loop? at 09:00 CDT, 25 October 2009
<< Comment #151 @ 11:06 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Denmark Vium 
k3no og hazzi aka gur piuv
<< Comment #152 @ 11:15 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By pandabearguy KekS 
- ElkY
- Grrr..
- rat
<< Comment #154 @ 11:46 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #152
Major Poll: QL

"Quake live has brought quite a few players back to the scene. Which comeback to the Quake competitive scene would you rather see (as a player)?"

Edited by Paladia at 11:46 CDT, 25 October 2009
<< Comment #155 @ 11:52 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By pandabearguy KekS  - Reply to #154
<list of persons and some random blabla i didn't care about>
<< Comment #156 @ 11:53 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By pandabearguy KekS  - Reply to #155
also any of my list rather than any of yours :p
<< Comment #158 @ 12:28 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #155
Well, you should at least check which category its in :)

However, you can do a SC one sometime later. Though most SC players have already made a comeback. :)
Edited by Paladia at 12:28 CDT, 25 October 2009
<< Comment #160 @ 13:03 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By US-Pennsylvania judge717 
czm easy
<< Comment #161 @ 13:27 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By stermy bubble_ru 
Best fail :

"A Legend return", quake IV, Immortal.
Videos etc ...

A Legend Returns
Once, long ago, a legend trod the earth, fragging opponents with ease and reigning as a good and wise champion.

Until, one day, he vanished into the mists of time.

On Tuesday, he returns.....and will cover every step of his exciting comeback
<< Comment #163 @ 14:20 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By Done linoleuM 
rat or czm
Edited by linoleuM at 14:20 CDT, 25 October 2009
<< Comment #166 @ 14:51 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
lakerman vs z4 on t4... interesting.
<< Comment #168 @ 17:31 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By cpm_biohaz_2 
imagine stx-kash playing QL. I mean osp was super easy for him. I want to see the kash come back!
<< Comment #170 @ 17:42 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By protoss micke  - Reply to #168
<< Comment #172 @ 18:53 CDT, 25 October 2009 >>
By cpm_biohaz_2  - Reply to #170
no wai! kash was known for having aim of GODS with lg and railgun. rapha just runs and spams rl.
<< Comment #176 @ 09:45 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By Finland duumed  - Reply to #172
rapha just walks and spams rl.

there, i fixed it for you
<< Comment #179 @ 13:48 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By cpm_biohaz_2  - Reply to #176
hahah true ;D
<< Comment #247 @ 18:32 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By nihil madbringer  - Reply to #168
You know, i hate you. But i have to say, you're one heck of a good troll.
<< Comment #254 @ 19:05 CST, 1 November 2009 >>
By clawo Liam  - Reply to #247
We need another poll to decide imo.

I'm pretty sure I know what the outcome will be though.
<< Comment #304 @ 08:16 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By US-California Cloud  - Reply to #247
what in the fuck are u talkin about?
<< Comment #305 @ 08:30 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By nihil madbringer  - Reply to #304
Nice reflex, retard. Fuck off back to your cave.
<< Comment #307 @ 08:59 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By US-California Cloud  - Reply to #305
reflex? what in the Fuck are you talkin about now you stupid fuckin idiot? just shut the fuck up ur fuckin useless and worthless
<< Comment #309 @ 13:35 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By nihil madbringer  - Reply to #307
Shush, kid. I know it's hard to live with a reading disability, don't make yourself look even worse.
<< Comment #177 @ 09:58 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By Bhutan frozen` 
<< Comment #178 @ 10:58 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By Quake 3 (black) ddk 
<< Comment #186 @ 10:23 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By AUSNL by dann zkyp  - Reply to #178
<< Comment #180 @ 15:41 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By QuakeLive JDMYO 
czm of course - he was the SHIT! possibly the best allround Quake3 player of all time - tdm, cpm, 1v1 etc. Who could forget that T4 game he had against Aim (Ambix?) where he hit 3 pixel rails in a row from the bottom level to the top whilst Aim was stacked in sudden death overtime to win the game :) was awesome!
And didn't czm give Cooller his biggest defeat of his carreer on hub :)
<< Comment #184 @ 04:59 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By zerg vedic  - Reply to #180
<< Comment #185 @ 06:27 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
<< Comment #192 @ 13:24 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By Bhutan frozen`  - Reply to #180
czm TDM? lol
<< Comment #204 @ 15:56 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By United States of America erok  - Reply to #192
he played for cK when they were the top NA team and actually did well against euro teams
<< Comment #182 @ 23:17 CDT, 26 October 2009 >>
By US-California per1klez 
i dont understand all the talk for czm.. he tried to come back with EG last year and got pwned. I'd much rather see fatal1ty go for gold.
<< Comment #183 @ 04:46 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By Denmark amOKchen  - Reply to #182
czm is a secure ticket, if fatality can adjust to the level quake is played is something else.
Also probably why he is reluctant to jump into it, the level is to high for him :P
<< Comment #233 @ 12:12 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By protoss micke  - Reply to #182
czm is a likeable character, fatalalalaonetwoty isn't
<< Comment #234 @ 12:36 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By US-California per1klez  - Reply to #233
Fortunately for him, that is an opinion restricted mainly to ESR and few other esports communities. For the other millions of people that have heard of him or seen him play, his persona is far more likable than that of a czm.
<< Comment #262 @ 12:13 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By ezQuake f0cus  - Reply to #234
whoa now. I'm not and have never been a fatal1ty basher. I got along with him just fine the few times I've actually spent a little time with him, but you should give Paul more credit. He's great.
<< Comment #266 @ 03:00 CST, 3 November 2009 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #262
why are you arguing with periklez as if he had any clue of wha he's taking about?
<< Comment #187 @ 10:35 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By knirtlotz*deotrip deotrip 
keeper should come back too
<< Comment #188 @ 11:37 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By aggnog_duck spyteman  - Reply to #187
hah yeah he was solid :D
<< Comment #189 @ 12:05 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By B2L - Orange Animated NL dontwantlifestopit  - Reply to #187
<< Comment #190 @ 12:15 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By knirtlotz*deotrip deotrip  - Reply to #189
Edited by deotrip at 12:16 CDT, 27 October 2009
<< Comment #191 @ 12:37 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By B2L - Orange Animated NL dontwantlifestopit  - Reply to #190
well done ;)
<< Comment #277 @ 00:01 CST, 7 November 2009 >>
By United States of America sixide  - Reply to #187
From what I gather, he's playing CS these days. He was pretty awesome to watch on ztn back when he was in shape (an unfortunately brief time).
<< Comment #193 @ 13:41 CDT, 27 October 2009 >>
By Sweden phaces 
<< Comment #314 @ 21:46 CDT, 30 July 2010 >>
By exclamation point CLains  - Reply to #193
yes! it would be the most fun
<< Comment #198 @ 09:57 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By Slovenia CAREEM 
my vote stays with zyz
<< Comment #199 @ 10:36 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By Poland panadol 
stelam slinger and everyone else
<< Comment #200 @ 11:51 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By couple JayDee_ 
Mikes for TDM? Also it would be cool if Dag, Def, or Reppie from qw tried their hands at ql duel.
Edited by JayDee_ at 11:52 CDT, 28 October 2009
<< Comment #205 @ 15:59 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By Bhutan frozen`  - Reply to #200
Mikes may be will come back!
<< Comment #209 @ 01:09 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By QUAKEWORLD terrorhead  - Reply to #200
Why should they waste time with a shitty, slow, hitscan cs game? Especially +forward Reppie with his 5cm/360 sensitivity. Waste of talent imo.
Edited by terrorhead at 01:10 CDT, 29 October 2009
<< Comment #210 @ 04:12 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By couple JayDee_  - Reply to #209
Because they have been playing the same players and shithouse maps since the creation of the universe. However, I'll agree qw has superior fundamental gameplay and the top players would probably never switch to anything else. I just think it would be nice to see a guy of Reppies insane talents try something different.
<< Comment #211 @ 04:27 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By QUAKEWORLD terrorhead  - Reply to #210
Not sure if I want to see Reppie in QL. Everyone would just own him. He would have to completely change his setup and style of play.

I agree about maps though. dm2 and possibly dm4 should be removed from comps.

Nice vid. I still have that demo :D
Edited by terrorhead at 04:28 CDT, 29 October 2009
<< Comment #213 @ 08:37 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #200
I would go as far as saying that players like dag aren't as talented as some of the top players in QL.

When QW was the game, when it had players like DOOMer, Sniket, oKKun, Lakerman, Kane and so on, dag played at that time as well (I don't know if reppie or def played at that time but if they did they were so poor they weren't even known in the slightest then). However, dag, or dagurra as he was known as then, didn't stand a chance against those players, he was even at a lower level of play than me.

When all good players leave from a dead community, some lesser player is bound to take the #1 spot.

That goes for most of those current QW "stars", such as pietro, locktar, riker, xalibur, mrlane and so on. I do not even think they would disagree with me.
<< Comment #216 @ 10:28 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By nihil madbringer  - Reply to #213
Dude, less talented? QW requires a different skillset altogether. Different strats, movement, weapons, it's hard to compare, even. Also, how can you know if the current "stars" of QW wouldn't catch up to the old masters even, if they did stay in the game?

I'd say, if they'd put in time and effort, some of them could become top contenders in QL.
<< Comment #217 @ 11:19 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By QW_ Zalon  - Reply to #213
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense. As much as I respect the oldschool players (They were the top when I started playing), they simply didn't play the same game as the game thats played today. Saying that Dag wasn't as good, because he peaked at a later stage in the games history - Is like saying that LakermaN was only good, because Thresh wasn't around anymore. But even back then the game had changed alot, from when Thresh was king to when LakermaN won TGI. LakermaN was part of the era where aim, speed, and the ability to do tricks became a major factor in the game, whereas the players from the previous era had relied much more on just tactics.

QuakeWorld have had numerous eras, and different kings for each era. Some have stayed on top throughout most of the game's lifespan, players like ParadokS, reppie, dag and griffin. And I'm sure players like that have/had the talent to be good in any game. Just like LakermaN showed, some people can just pick up a game and instantly be good.

Regarding the players you list as current "stars", only LocKtar and riker is around.

But I would agree, that most top qw players probably wouldn't do as good in QL, but thats more of an age/lack of time thing than it is talent. Also they would be lightyears behind the Quake3 players. If Nabbe had not been moved from the "Participating players" to the "Pending Players" list, for the QL tourney at DreamHack winter, we could have seen what a top qw player could do in QL - with limited practice.
<< Comment #221 @ 12:54 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #217
There is nothing suggesting that Thresh was better than Lakerman, DOOMer or Sniket.

Did you watch 9 vs DR? I was there and watched it live and talked to the players. The first time EU and NA actually faced each other in QW/RQ, DR didn't do too well there (they even lost in their games vs IoP, another much less known medium-skilled Swedish team). Of course, while they were here Thresh also played 1v1s, losing games vs Xenon, DOOMer etc.

It's not like these current QW stars werent active at that point. Riker, mrlame, dagurra and so on played quite a bit yet wasn't even considered mediocre players in comparison to the likes of DOOMer or Lakerman.

I even played in the same team as Riker and mrlame, so I do know them as players more than most yet my opinion still holds true, they, just like me, werent as talented as players like Lakerman. It's simply easier to be amongst the best when the community size is 100 compared to 1 000 000, especially if you have a 10 year game advantage on all the new players.
Edited by Paladia at 12:58 CDT, 29 October 2009
<< Comment #243 @ 06:08 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By rpnew telly  - Reply to #221
You are ignoring the fact that most of the early star players in Quake were established Doom players. Doomer, Ettu, Lakerman, Thresh etc all played Doom multiplayer and came into Quake already holding a lot of FPS experience. It was no surprise they dominated early on. Just like in Q3 where all the early tournaments were won by veteran Q1 and Q2 players.
Edited by telly at 10:39 CDT, 31 October 2009
<< Comment #301 @ 08:11 CST, 8 March 2010 >>
By US-California Cloud  - Reply to #221
thresh was already deep into playin q2 at the time and had stopped playing q1, not to mention he was an NQ player not a qw player.
<< Comment #218 @ 11:42 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By couple JayDee_  - Reply to #213
No offence dude, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Dag not being top notch when laker was playing doesn't prove anything. Different players have different motivations at different times. Pietro has been out of the scene for a looooong time. The players who have been at the top of the qw scene in recent years are very very skilled and would destroy laker at his previous form. There is no need to make comments when you clearly don't know anything about the subject.
<< Comment #203 @ 14:13 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By Germany - Bayern abso 
<< Comment #206 @ 19:23 CDT, 28 October 2009 >>
By Eyeballers-Anim 0.2 kaZappeR shay  - Reply to #203
zyz sucks.. so did ewa braun.. ehm
<< Comment #208 @ 01:07 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By QUAKEWORLD terrorhead 
Fuck them all. I want to see Griffin and dag comeback.
<< Comment #212 @ 04:37 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By Plusme ins 
<< Comment #220 @ 12:29 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By Portugal u3a6  - Reply to #212
CZM is awessome!! But i would like to see a Fatal1ty comeback to shut people's mouth that say he isn't good anymore... But it would be funny if he comebacked and get owned xD
<< Comment #225 @ 04:13 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Plusme ins  - Reply to #220
Fatal1ty will comeback rather sooner than later, and yep he will get owned most likely.
<< Comment #226 @ 06:05 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #225
I disagree.

I think if fatal1ty does decide to come back officially he will make sure that he can hold his own among the top players in practice games before doing it.
And I think we can all agree that he is not the type of players who is worse in tournaments than in his practise games.
<< Comment #228 @ 09:49 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Portugal u3a6  - Reply to #226
i'm oficially impressed. Just checked his stats on ql and he is owning on ffa... He said on an interview @ gamescon that he likes to play a lot of ffa to prepair his aim for a tournament, but he might be playing just for fun, I don't know... And you are right, Fatal1ty isn't stupid that's why he reached his status....
<< Comment #215 @ 10:24 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
the guy who knows whom i voted for gets a beer!
<< Comment #219 @ 12:10 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By nihil madbringer 

But honestly, i'd love to see them all come back. The more the merrier. :)

Those and many more, especially people who managed to embed themselves in my memory, like Rocketboy, Kane, Paradoks, Gollum, Python, Matrox, Roos, Death, Arrw, Shub, w3st.. the list goes on.
<< Comment #241 @ 21:37 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By SC_Zerg [mash]  - Reply to #219
kane is currently the captain of "Rot-Weiß Oberhausen" in the 2nd Bundesliga. pretty successfull it seems.

Edited by [mash] at 21:37 CDT, 30 October 2009
<< Comment #248 @ 18:42 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By nihil madbringer  - Reply to #241
Haha, no shit? Well good for him. I'd still like to see him make a comeback, the guy was sick.
<< Comment #249 @ 19:29 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By SC_Zerg [mash]  - Reply to #248
yeah, you could see him with his captains badge if some lazy ass admin would approve the pic.

i still remember his demos from LanArena. :D


apparently he's now worth 700k.

up 600k since the last time people talked about it.
Edited by [mash] at 19:35 CDT, 31 October 2009
<< Comment #260 @ 03:23 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #249
can't approve pics at the moment.

I blame funnyb!
<< Comment #280 @ 12:00 CST, 8 November 2009 >>
By l0wfly funnyb  - Reply to #260
what the fudge
<< Comment #222 @ 16:27 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By United States of America MUNG>esh 
where's cK 2v2 w/czm + fat option?!?
<< Comment #227 @ 06:06 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #222
cause everyone would vote for foxic?
<< Comment #240 @ 21:32 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By SC_Zerg [mash]  - Reply to #227
i'd vote for cox&fox.
<< Comment #242 @ 02:29 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #240
yes you would
<< Comment #245 @ 08:41 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By SC_Zerg [mash]  - Reply to #242
<< Comment #223 @ 17:24 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By United States of America davis 
czm for sure
<< Comment #224 @ 21:22 CDT, 29 October 2009 >>
By Slovenia CAREEM 
why no zyz in this vote poll? He was q2 superstar in tdm / duels so was he in Q3 tdm and awesome duel player in PK. He was 4th at world champion ship in PK 2005.
<< Comment #229 @ 10:01 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #224
Duel wise I don't think he has placed top3 in any tournament.

Though there are lots of players that you could argue would have a place in such a poll, Kane is the one that comes closest to mine. However, no matter where you draw the line, the will be cases close to the line that can be argued.

You can also vote on the "Someone else" option for such players though.
<< Comment #237 @ 17:10 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Slovenia CAREEM  - Reply to #229
half of those players didnt placed top3 on the list...... and unmatched did placed top3 in many tournaments, won couple of times too... zyz did won pk too at some tournaments..
<< Comment #239 @ 17:45 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #237
Lets see, you claim half of the players didn't place top3 in a duel tournament. I'll just mention one tournament for those I remember. To be fair, I'll only mention lan tournaments.

czm: 24% (79)
#1 QIL4

Fatal1ty: 18% (60)
#1 XSReality Invitational

toxjq: 17% (56)
#1 Dreamhack winter 2005

uNkind: 12% (41)
#1 WCG 2002

LeXeR: 4.8% (16)
#1 QuakeCon 2002

Thresh: 3.6% (12)
#1 Red Annihilation

LakermaN: 3.3% (11)
#1 Lan Arena 4

Stelam: 3.3% (11)
#1 Lan Arena 5

ZeRo4: 1.8% (6)
#1 QuakeCon 2001

Polosatiy: 1.8% (6)
#1 AMD PG Challenge 2003

PELE: 1.8% (6)
#1 RazerCPL Qualifier

Blue: 1.5% (5)
#1 CPL Asia

socrates: 1.5% (5)
#1 WCG USA 2002

DOOMer: 1.5% (5)
#1 Swedish Quake Championships

elpajuo: 1.2% (4)
#1 Cyber X-Games

Makaveli: 0.9% (3)
#2 XSReality Invitational

Sujoy: 0.9% (3)
#3 Ground Zero

cha0ticz: 0.6% (2)
Can't remember any

Blokey: 0.3% (1)
#1 XSReality AMD Cup (this was a duel tournament but not alone though).

Daler: 0.3% (1)
#1 ION Games
As you can see, your claim that "half those players never placed top3 in a duel tournament", was entirely inaccurate. Almost all of them have won at least one LAN tournament.
Edited by Paladia at 09:59 CST, 2 November 2009
<< Comment #261 @ 03:25 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #239
<< Comment #278 @ 00:03 CST, 7 November 2009 >>
By United States of America sixide  - Reply to #239
Wasn't ION Games an online tournament? The one where elpajuo went AFK on tourney4 with a small (1 frag?) lead, and then Daler took the win at the end?
<< Comment #279 @ 07:07 CST, 7 November 2009 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #278
I think you may be right, though he was #1 at AmeriCup and LayeredX as well (and second at Quakecon and WCG USA 2002).
Edited by Paladia at 07:09 CST, 7 November 2009
<< Comment #231 @ 10:24 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By redd0t dot anim Apoc 
Python should be in the list. And the spanish guy who won one of the WCG's, whose name I can't remember.

I would still have voted for PELE [PK], hail!
<< Comment #253 @ 12:52 CST, 1 November 2009 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #231
the spanish guy that got second behind unkind you mean
<< Comment #256 @ 01:49 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By redd0t dot anim Apoc  - Reply to #253
Thats' right, I wondered if a WCG winner could be forgotten.

But Akiles, not heard much of him lately..
<< Comment #235 @ 12:41 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By United States of America cha0ticz 
I'm rocking 2 votes at the moment, one of which was me so I'd like to give a big shout-out to my fan!
<< Comment #238 @ 17:26 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #235
you can click on show votes to see who it was and thank him personally ;)
<< Comment #264 @ 12:55 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Brazil _agu  - Reply to #235
i'd like to see you playing quake4 on galang, vs socrates.. some us tournament which i woudn't forget hahaha was amazing that game
<< Comment #274 @ 05:38 CST, 4 November 2009 >>
By USSR Demiurge  - Reply to #235
You can use a plural now :)
<< Comment #298 @ 02:52 CST, 24 November 2009 >>
By Earth by BooTes StywoO  - Reply to #235
Since you voted for yourself, can we assume your coming back? :)
<< Comment #236 @ 14:53 CDT, 30 October 2009 >>
By France Co1nCo1n 
SOMBRA ! lol
<< Comment #244 @ 08:02 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By Portugal gut 
phyton, prozac and mist
<< Comment #246 @ 09:13 CDT, 31 October 2009 >>
By Copyright by Jazka Jazka 
I voted stelam because i remember him firstly as being a great TDM player. Same for toxjq. And same for prozac. Same for makaveli because he is my first demo watched, a tdm demo on DM6 before the pro version, he was camping at RA and looking up.

And so on, i would like to see all those players come back for some great TDM with a lot of teams fighting to be n°1.
<< Comment #251 @ 03:28 CST, 1 November 2009 >>
The Genie says, "you have three wishes". Aladdin tells the Genie his first wish, "I wish for unlimited wishes.". Robin Williams tells Aladdin, "Well that kind of defeats the purpose of only having three wishes, but what can I do? Rules is rules.".

I always liked CZM, Toxic and Lexer myself. If I had my way, they would all come back.
<< Comment #252 @ 09:44 CST, 1 November 2009 >>
By 2KBlack Yellack 
Z4 with a ball mouse! \o/
<< Comment #255 @ 00:53 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By New Zealand roffo 
CZM for sure. The guy built a fucking railgun
<< Comment #259 @ 02:28 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Sweden blaze 
needs more rat!
anyway voted fat.
<< Comment #263 @ 12:53 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Brazil _agu 
i voted on fatal1ty but i rather like to see fist1 back on track :)
<< Comment #265 @ 15:43 CST, 2 November 2009 >>
By Dird's Xmas tree ;o Dird 
<< Comment #271 @ 17:12 CST, 3 November 2009 >>
Outside of the usual suspects I would like to see (not just from Q3):

Polos, Blokey, Lakerman, Aim, Q50, Slinger & Stelam (surely they're a double team super combo?), Panicore, Prozac, Appleseed, IF22 anyone? and just cos I love him, Timber.
<< Comment #272 @ 05:24 CST, 4 November 2009 >>
By clawo ini  - Reply to #271
Q50 is playing QL
<< Comment #276 @ 14:03 CST, 5 November 2009 >>
<< Comment #284 @ 09:51 CST, 12 November 2009 >>
By Germany butchji  - Reply to #271
Appleseed is playing QL!
<< Comment #285 @ 13:52 CST, 12 November 2009 >>
<< Comment #270 @ 17:06 CST, 3 November 2009 >>
shub_nigga played some tdm's with cooller, frozen etc.
<< Comment #269 @ 11:59 CST, 3 November 2009 >>
By clawo ini 
Would be cool to see Enemy play again too.
<< Comment #273 @ 05:37 CST, 4 November 2009 >>
By USSR Demiurge 
Probably enjoy seeing LeXeR play by far the most, would be really awesome if he played again.
<< Comment #275 @ 06:22 CST, 4 November 2009 >>
By claw0 pizz 
1. niceguy/Greenbastard
2. pezouille
3. pizzette
<< Comment #281 @ 06:02 CST, 10 November 2009 >>
By Lithuania yo_O 
uNkind, LeXeR, b100.Death, cGu'Nova and many more ;)
<< Comment #282 @ 06:52 CST, 10 November 2009 >>
By Nuke Explosion raithza 
I'd like to see Yuka make another comeback. This time as fatal1ty. imagine the DRAMA!

also, rat.
<< Comment #283 @ 10:52 CST, 10 November 2009 >>
By Austria - Niederosterreich bates 
oldschoolers! :P
<< Comment #286 @ 09:14 CST, 13 November 2009 >>
By New Zealand GrotesK 
Blue to make a comeback with T4~
czm would also be great.
<< Comment #287 @ 16:20 CST, 13 November 2009 >>
By United Kingdom Disrepute 
I would like to see yuka back (as one of the above names)
<< Comment #322 @ 04:23 CDT, 28 May 2012 >>
By Moldova quake is potat  - Reply to #287
'ello 'ello 'ello, whats all this then
<< Comment #323 @ 09:59 CDT, 28 May 2012 >>
By United Kingdom Disrepute  - Reply to #322
<< Comment #288 @ 12:15 CST, 14 November 2009 >>
By ET:QW Shrike 
Wombat !
<< Comment #291 @ 19:14 CST, 15 November 2009 >>
By France Co1nCo1n 
czm: 22%

+ hub for QL
<< Comment #292 @ 11:01 CST, 16 November 2009 >>
By France Shardik 
Thresh for sure !

and Hub, Qtv, mvd for QL yep :)
Edited by Shardik at 11:02 CST, 16 November 2009
<< Comment #293 @ 19:06 CST, 16 November 2009 >>
czm for sure. the best player ever to grace the quake community with his presence imho.
really wish he would make another comeback in QL. :)
<< Comment #294 @ 05:29 CST, 19 November 2009 >>
By \0/ fragerr 
<< Comment #295 @ 07:22 CST, 20 November 2009 >>
By QuakeLive JDMYO 
Paul Nelson! lets have one last duel tourney off you?! Come on dude. You can live upto Rapha, Cypher and Cooller. No one else can but CZM can :)
Someone make Hub for QL and bring CZM back! :)
Shit! - I bet Rapha would own on hub... :o
<< Comment #296 @ 08:07 CST, 20 November 2009 >>
<< Comment #299 @ 10:37 CST, 28 November 2009 >>
By Netherlands Black2lip 
Blue or LakermaN two of my favorite quake players all time.
<< Comment #310 @ 14:09 CDT, 7 July 2010 >>
By Estonia dunZ 
toxjq : )
<< Comment #311 @ 04:48 CDT, 28 July 2010 >>
By Austria - Niederosterreich bates  - Reply to #310
<< Comment #312 @ 05:00 CDT, 28 July 2010 >>
By Denmark amOKchen  - Reply to #311
Then it could only get better if LakermaN stopped being a poker millionaire and started quake again!
<< Comment #313 @ 05:04 CDT, 28 July 2010 >>
By Austria - Niederosterreich bates  - Reply to #312
If he thinks that this is the right way. Don't think he'll replace his millions from poker with a dirty old railgun :P
Edited by nails at 05:04 CDT, 28 July 2010
<< Comment #315 @ 12:48 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>
By US-Arizona klout 
Fatal1ty, fox and czm.
<< Comment #316 @ 11:35 CDT, 29 September 2010 >>
By USSR Lowbird 
need more lexer votes tbfh. or else your not enlightened.
<< Comment #319 @ 13:45 CDT, 1 October 2010 >>
By Germany - Freistaat Sachsen sic4rius 
Fatal1ty ofc.

But I highly doubt that he would perform a comeback in a broken game and a watered down version of one of his favourite games, which lacks the ability to spawn LAN servers. By now he already must have realised that there's no future for a game as incomplete and undeveloped like QL.

And what else is there for people wanting fast gameplay and compete in 1on1 tourneys? Right, nothink!
<< Comment #321 @ 17:30 CDT, 27 May 2012 >>
By United States of America DizzyMage 
what was the last tournament doomer competed in?
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