ESR - DHW: Last 5 player invites

I missed the signups :( I had so much to do, but then when I finally gathered time to apply it was the day where signups closed :S

I'll still be there and my evil side wishes for someone to drop out so I have at least a minimal chance to get in! :P

CU @ LAN!

Edited by Snapphanen at 01:21 CST, 8 November 2012

<< Comment #5 @ 13:02 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Infector

Where is czm and baksteen?

<< Comment #6 @ 13:03 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #5

Neither of them did apply.

<< Comment #20 @ 13:08 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Infector - Reply to #6

That's too bad. Otherwise looks like a good lineup.

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Caradnick - Reply to #5

Baksteen already said he isn't going in an earlier thread, I think.

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sleepii - Reply to #5

little surprised about no czm, but baksteen said he had school

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blaze - Reply to #8

it's thanksgiving in the US, might have something to do with it?! Just guessing though!

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sleepii - Reply to #10

i thought he was still in sweden. but yeah that's a possibility

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Trance - Reply to #12

think you mean Switzerland?

<< Comment #276 @ 15:46 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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sleepii - Reply to #262

ah yeah, sozzy

<< Comment #15 @ 13:06 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #10

Yea talked to him about it at Adroits, says he can't go cause he's the only one in his family who never dodged a thanksgiving meeting, gotta keep the record up.

<< Comment #49 @ 17:29 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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kevz - Reply to #15

pff, its dreamhack, nows the time to skip one :>

<< Comment #80 @ 01:30 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Snapphanen - Reply to #49

I think DH usually is held at thanksgiving time :}

<< Comment #47 @ 17:25 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #10

he told me thanksgivng is theonly time in year his family comes together so yeah it is the reason. baksteen doesnt have time

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n0Ns - Reply to #47

and moneys

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Po0dle - Reply to #105

So why aren't you going?

<< Comment #9 @ 13:04 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl

I'm pleased. Then again I'm surprised about that Zeroql thing.

Edited by super_koziol at 16:29 CST, 7 November 2012

<< Comment #11 @ 13:05 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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sleepii

"We're also proud to announce that nvc will be commentating the event together with zeroql who will provide coverage in english."

well....

shit.

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<< Comment #14 @ 13:06 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Asatic

ins? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS <3

TONY!
RELOAD!

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Asatic

ins? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS <3

TONY!
RELOAD!

<< Comment #16 @ 13:07 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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nicerdicer

oO this is will be oO GREAT

<< Comment #17 @ 13:07 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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baksteen

ins, reload, sting :). will be interesting to see what they can do here

<< Comment #18 @ 13:07 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen '

When I read this announcement, the caster part said nvc, did you guys horribly misspell ddk's name or ... ?

Anyway glad to see cypher in, reload finally old enough to compete in lans, give em hell kiddo.

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<< Comment #41 @ 15:53 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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24 - Reply to #18

ddk is not that good. He's a very good prospect but still has a lot to learn. He sometimes talks too long and too dry when there is fast action happening. Not enough excitement in his voice, very analytic.

nvc is one of the most experienced casters in QL and a top-notch entertainer.

Plus I think diversity is essential. I would go mad if every single game was casted by Zoot, or ddk, or anyone else. It's awesome to listen to a different caster for a change.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #41

You are right, ddk is there for a more calm and analytic casting style. You can tell that he's got well grounded duelling concept.

nvc brings the fake excitement that brings in viewers and makes the potentially dull matches look like IEM dubai finals, which is also great.

I'm one of those fags that prefer analytic + enthusiastic combo.
Either this or casters that just have chemistry and sound like two friends who justlike and talk about the game they like (e.g dis&vor)

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<< Comment #109 @ 05:35 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #58

Most casting duos seems to be one really energetic who's doing the play by play casting and another one who's calmer and brings the analytic.

It's wayyyy harder to be energetic about the games from what I can tell, especially when you have rather dull games or you've been doing it for several hours without rest.

We'll try to get the pros to co-cast with nvc as much as possible, so they can provide a deeper insight of what's going on.

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<< Comment #137 @ 09:53 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #109

If you want real fireworks from the casting pair, then team Vor up with ZeroQL and see what happens :D

<< Comment #148 @ 10:30 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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24 - Reply to #137

Vor can't cast on LAN, as he has no face.

<< Comment #67 @ 23:55 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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todimus - Reply to #41

I'm all for having different casters (bout time zoot missed out on a major event) but from what I saw from from zeroql at one of the dreamhacks hes a shit caster, bring in disrepute!

<< Comment #81 @ 01:50 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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24 - Reply to #67

As nvc mentoined, ZeroQL is only there to make visual content, fragmovies, videos, etc., and not to cast.

<< Comment #102 @ 04:58 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #18

How old is reload? i'm pretty sure he played in at least 3 lans already, including a dreamhack.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #102

Last time I heard he was rejected for qcon for not being 18

<< Comment #180 @ 16:12 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Williebobc - Reply to #102

yeah I met him at the last DHW (11) cool guy ;]

<< Comment #19 @ 13:07 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Asatic

"We're also proud to announce that United Kingdom nvc will be commentating the event together with Serbia zeroql"
did quake forgive him? :D

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mouse* - Reply to #19

no

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<< Comment #126 @ 09:01 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #19

No he's like a f**king virus and won't just gtfo... cheating little weasel

<< Comment #21 @ 13:10 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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adem

102. Tony!!!

<< Comment #22 @ 13:12 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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sofiene

where am i ? :'(

<< Comment #23 @ 13:15 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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nvc

To clarify, ZeRoQL is on-board for video editing i.e. expect event fragmovie movie and fancy videos to compliment the stream.

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<< Comment #35 @ 15:08 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #23

Fragmovie movie.

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<< Comment #38 @ 15:27 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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nvc - Reply to #35

haha oops

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<< Comment #74 @ 00:47 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #35

i guess, you mean deliberate murdering fragmovie killing movie about assassination homicide video of slaughtering film.

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<< Comment #127 @ 09:04 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #23

Why have him involved at all? He is a cheat and was helping friends develop cheats for QL and his movies are not that great others can do just as well if not better...

<< Comment #24 @ 13:26 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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YoJJi

Zoot > zeroql

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fugie - Reply to #24

* > zoot

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mouse* - Reply to #145

mouse*> zoot

you forgot a word there. fixed the typo

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fugie - Reply to #147

well, uhm... no

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mouse* - Reply to #156

xD

<< Comment #25 @ 13:26 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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fuzz

no czm, ~~killsen~~ :(

Edited by fuzz at 15:25 CST, 7 November 2012

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jetro

sharpe

NOAWWWWWWWW

<< Comment #29 @ 13:45 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (87.7.182.37)

1 cypher
2 rapha
3 killsen

tournament over :P

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<< Comment #43 @ 16:28 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl - Reply to #29

Av3k?

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Asatic - Reply to #43

naah

<< Comment #28 @ 13:45 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (92.224.243.180)

besides the entertainment factor, why did ins get invited? considering his qlranks elo, there are so many players above him...no one else in the 2000-2200 range interested?

<< Comment #31 @ 14:22 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #28

been there, dropped to lower elo cause everyone was fearing to play me :(

<< Comment #36 @ 15:08 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #31

too much #SW4G

<< Comment #32 @ 14:29 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #28

It's funny how this kind of posts always come from anonymous users

<< Comment #70 @ 00:13 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #32

i suspect certain people. dayum would love to be a hacker now

<< Comment #27 @ 13:44 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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wrong person

rapha, sorry comrade, i forgot, i forgive you for sm :Z>

<< Comment #30 @ 13:53 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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buzek

1. Av3k
2. Cypher
3. rapha

<< Comment #33 @ 14:34 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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BRUNS`

yay reload :)

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<< Comment #37 @ 15:18 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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viaIImaximus

unmannedtony?!

<< Comment #39 @ 15:37 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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nex1 :

1. Rapha
2. Cypher
3. Av3k

<< Comment #40 @ 15:44 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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24

Only one top player in the last batch is slightly disappointing. :(

Still, gonna be a good tournament. Rooting for k1llsen and Rapha.

<< Comment #42 @ 16:06 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #40

there's only one ins, wcyd

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24 - Reply to #42

By top player I mean someone who can potentially win it. For me, it's 7 names: Evil, Pavel, Spartie, Av3k, K1llsen, Rapha, Cypher. :p

<< Comment #46 @ 17:17 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #44

last years have been won by rapha and cypher, nobody else can potentially win D:

<< Comment #51 @ 17:34 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #46

av3k can, depends on his day performance

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ins ' - Reply to #51

he doesn't want to anymore

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hitsu - Reply to #53

what he doesnt want to?

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ins ' - Reply to #55

win

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Ffleri - Reply to #57

Can't really tell is such a bad trolling or just stupid.
Av3k doesn't care almost at all about if he wins or not, but saying "he doesn't want to win" is just S-T-U-P-I-D.

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ins ' - Reply to #243

No, you're just too damn blind to even think about what I'm saying.

What makes champions? The desire the win.
Cypher and Rapha still have that in them, they want to win everything, Av3k doesn't have it anymore, he's going into games thinking he wants to be top3, but never the winner.

And before you even start telling me I'm assuming all of this, I've heard this from his and Cypher's mouth.

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Ffleri - Reply to #245

Ok, let me make this more clear for you.
Av3k wants to win this tournament. Just like every other player competing. Maybe it's not his 1st. objective. Maybe more than that he just wants to have fun... maybe, but, he does want to win and be top1.

Edited by Ffleri at 13:40 CST, 10 November 2012

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ins ' - Reply to #251

No, he doesn't care what place he gets, he can try to win but he'll not use his whole skill to do it, cause he is careless about it.

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Ffleri - Reply to #252

I know he doesn't care, man...
You said that av3k "doesn't want to win anymore" and it's just WRONG! It's a lie, you know?

"he can try to win but he'll not use his whole skill to do it" - who cares? This has nothing to do with my statement wich is as clear as every player competing in the tournament wants to win it, even av3k.

Edited by Ffleri at 13:52 CST, 10 November 2012

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ins ' - Reply to #253

I'm sorry for replying, I shall not reply to you anymore.

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Ffleri - Reply to #254

You better apologise for the worst casting ever at Adroits. ;)
k ty

<< Comment #45 @ 16:44 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Ffleri

1. av3k
2. rapha
3. cypher
4. spart1e
=)))))

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<< Comment #48 @ 17:25 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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mouse*

haha reload makes it 2 bavarians <3 go tony!

<< Comment #64 @ 23:36 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Frannatic - Reply to #48

im a bavarian too =)

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mouse* - Reply to #64

real bavarian or franken?

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<< Comment #178 @ 14:51 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Frannatic - Reply to #71

realy bavarian :P. Im coming from niederbayern, im living near to passau, dunno if u know that =).

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mouse* - Reply to #178

<--viechtach lived 2 years in passau ;) made my abi there

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Frannatic - Reply to #200

wow awesome, didnt knew that someone else plays quake in niederbayern, except my brother and me :D

<< Comment #229 @ 14:36 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #223

reload is from straubing my quasi neighbour. also sk1p from painkiller is from vilshofen and brajente is from regen . its a hotspot :D

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Frannatic - Reply to #229

:D

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reload - Reply to #229

also there are ffx and loxer (q4/warsow player) from osterhofen :)

<< Comment #50 @ 17:30 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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mouse*

the annoucement isnt quite clear. will nicer and foppa be there or cover games from home? and what exactly is zeroqls task?

ALSO to the players and visitors im kinda desperate xD can i crash at someones floor i really would prefere not to sleep in the dreamhack sleeping hall with my backpack and no sleeping bag? i can even pay a lil rent but not much since im quasi broke :)

Edited by mouse* at 17:39 CST, 7 November 2012

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nicerdicer - Reply to #50

we will be there man!

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<< Comment #66 @ 23:38 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #54

!

<< Comment #52 @ 17:46 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen '

and what exactly is zeroqls task?

He's the guy responsible for timing items in case cg_compHud 1 doesn't work.

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<< Comment #96 @ 04:02 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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simonov - Reply to #52

And tracking players through walls.

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KillaloT - Reply to #96

just to clarify: he didn't track through walls - only had 100% RG.

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #114

just to clarify: he didn't get caught tracking players through walls - only got caught aimbotting.

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Kristus - Reply to #135

He wasn't aimbotting. He was was using autofire.

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #162

just to clarify: he didn't get caught tracking players through walls, nor did he get caught using an aimbot - but he did get caught using autofire.

<< Comment #63 @ 23:36 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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jamalz

Pretty good list. LETS GET IT ON

<< Comment #115 @ 06:11 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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KillaloT - Reply to #63

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AWBf0hbeMU

IF YOU DONT WANNA PARTY - THEN YOUR ASS GOTTA GO!

Edited by KillaloT at 06:12 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #56 @ 18:32 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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ZeriouS

reload :D!

<< Comment #59 @ 19:19 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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0x5f3759df

nvc? surely you meant DISREPUTE AND NVC? D:

<< Comment #99 @ 04:35 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Twisp. - Reply to #59

Or zsx and nvc. They worked very well together at dhw'11

<< Comment #65 @ 23:36 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Frannatic

isn't zoot coming to dreamhack?

<< Comment #60 @ 20:39 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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ddk

damn, really nice line-up, can't wait to see who takes this!

<< Comment #61 @ 21:04 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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Oaki_Duke

no one else disappointed with no DaHang?

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<< Comment #62 @ 22:02 CST, 7 November 2012 >>

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dsN - Reply to #61

i'm disappointed in no you.

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<< Comment #72 @ 00:15 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Oaki_Duke - Reply to #62

why you makin me feel bad, dog

<< Comment #73 @ 00:17 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #72

you are bad and you should feel bad

just kidding you rock :)

Edited by mouse* at 00:17 CST, 8 November 2012

<< Comment #75 @ 00:50 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Mustaine - Reply to #61

yeah, where's DaHanG? :(

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<< Comment #77 @ 00:53 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #61

He can't make it. Can't remember why right now though, but I've been in touch with him.

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Cwiru - Reply to #61

: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

No DaHanG no fun. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

<< Comment #76 @ 00:52 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Legless

F O P P A
O
P
P
A

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<< Comment #78 @ 01:06 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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tony

im surprised and happy about the invite
also happy for zeroql to come back dh and make epic videos,nvc commentating and new friends to meet like nicedicer,harosh
cu on lan

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<< Comment #132 @ 09:25 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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nicerdicer - Reply to #78

U TONY

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Yellack - Reply to #78

Get the mega tony!!!!!!!

<< Comment #82 @ 02:08 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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amOKchen

GO zeroql, they cant ban him from casting and making coverage.

Edited by amOKchen at 02:08 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #83 @ 02:09 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #82

Sorry for being unclear about the post. He won't do any commentating. He'll be providing videos and other productions that the stream may need (overlays etc).

<< Comment #84 @ 02:16 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #83

regardless, I like that he still has passion for a game where people shun him for one mistake he did.

<< Comment #85 @ 02:26 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #84

he did not make a misstake, he made a decision!

Edited by mouse* at 02:27 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #86 @ 02:35 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #85

I.. I actually agree with a mouse* post...

at least I have the self respect to not + it though

<< Comment #94 @ 03:42 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #85

true, but his decision was a mistake was it not?

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fuzz - Reply to #94

It becomes "mistake" only if he is exposed.

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amOKchen - Reply to #108

And that he was.

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fuzz - Reply to #124

His decision was not a mistake, he deliberately cheated knowing how it affects other players.

Unfortunately for him he got cough, and only then it becomes a mistake in his eyes, because his secret is out.

I would accept some 13 year old cheating, and regretting it later, but someone already grown up (I assume he is) with morals and character already formed, deciding to cheat is definitely not a mistake but pure disregard of others, disrespect to anyone he played against, and pretty much worst thing you can do in computer game.

I have no respect for such people and think they should not be involved in anything regarding the game, despite what they bring to table.

Unless Sobra makes 100k$ QL tournament from his rich lawyer fathers money, then it's ok.

Edited by fuzz at 09:58 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #158 @ 12:54 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #124

internet based gaming (especially when it's competitive) is based solely on the trust in others not to bend the rules in their favour. he deliberately choose to ignore the first and most important rule of online gaming... :/

he also had quite the ego going on and acted like some sort of elite quaker way before he got caught. i never understood why anyone would want to be associated with him.

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amOKchen - Reply to #158

Well for one thing he does something for the community instead of sitting and whine on a forum.

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zealot - Reply to #160

...which has nothing to do with what i wrote. it's telling your response is an ad hominem attack :)

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amOKchen - Reply to #164

really?

"i never understood why anyone would want to be associated with him. "

<< Comment #203 @ 07:03 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #185

you're blatantly disregarding to comment on the other part, you know the one about cheating.

what i was trying to say is that over the years it struck me as kind of odd that every single person that cheated in quake had a distinct and quite unpleasent personality, him included. every one of them built their ego atleast in part on their gaming skills and was disrespectful of people that were lesser players than them, again: including him.

just an observation and wasn't intended as an attack towards you, more aimed at the past.

<< Comment #215 @ 09:37 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #203

Well I have talked and played with zeroql on many occasions over the past 6-7 years, when he was playing duel. Never noticed the unpleasant personality or ego.
ofc he is from serbia, so he is annoying by default in most peoples eyes :P

<< Comment #142 @ 10:11 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #85

well then keep on blaming killsen too. hf!

apart from that, zeroql never denyed it at all.

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zealot - Reply to #142

killsen, the fuck you talking about?

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n1ghty - Reply to #159

srsly? i mean its a long time ago, and he used his nick killer, but he also cheated. so what? it's just a waste of energy, to keep on blaming ppl for things they did regret a long time ago. zeroql has awesome movieskills and doesnt hurt anyone, if he makes quake more interesting with some great movie-stuff.

<< Comment #202 @ 06:58 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #166

what? i remember that time, because i used to play with him quite a bit but i do not remember him cheating ever. he used to be diablo's mate in duel and played tdm for eoe, not one of those guys ever cheated or got accused by anyone with half a braincell left.

do you have any sort of prove or do you remember something more precise thena "long time ago"? was it duel or tdm, any league game? back when he was just "killer", he also played for the german tdm nt, btw. :d

<< Comment #92 @ 03:42 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #84

Agreed!

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buzek - Reply to #83

Is ZeroQL being paid for this? or being compensated for the travel expenses?

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blaze - Reply to #205

Don't know.

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buzek - Reply to #212

Who knows then? :)

<< Comment #219 @ 10:07 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #217

DH,HQ!

<< Comment #218 @ 09:55 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #212

yeah right rofl

<< Comment #87 @ 02:53 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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hydr0

Whats happend to 2GD and the guys from the "GD Studio"

To busy with reborn to get involved with quakelive?

:(

<< Comment #107 @ 05:27 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #87

More like too busy swimming in ocean of sc and dota moneys.

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Trance - Reply to #107

yea right...we have something cooking.

<< Comment #88 @ 03:02 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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tony

well,lets throw shit also to clock,didnt he cheat in past? stop talk about zeroql,he paid for his errors

sorry clock i love you,lets get drunk together also this dreamhack :D

<< Comment #225 @ 12:53 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (71.57.2.22) - Reply to #88

he was accused of cheating in 2001.. which quickly went away when he went on to win 3 major lan championships with his ctf team shortly after and a bunch of respectable duel finishes over the decade

point is after accusation he proven himself for the following 10+ years. what has zeroql done??

<< Comment #240 @ 02:42 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #225

clock never cheated, ever. The guy who accused him was unstable as fuck, made an AVI of absolutely nothing suspicious and claimed cheats.

back then I raged the fuck out of clock in a 2v2 tdm game, he was nothing special until he started to duel seriously

<< Comment #226 @ 13:27 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #88

did he? I'm not the one getting paid to attend multiple dreamhacks.

Maybe I should start cheating.

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GUArd

I am missing ~2010 DH..
1.cooller
2.rapha
3.cypher
4.avek
5.fox
6.stermy
7.spartie
8. noctis
9.killsen
10.zamuz
11.fazz
12.dahang
13. strenx
14.zsx
15.garpy
16.vo0

and just few noobs like me, demon, madix etc...
this looks like mid zotac cup...

Edited by GUArd at 03:15 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #90 @ 03:32 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #89

1.~~cooller~~
2.rapha
3.cypher
4.avek
5.~~fox~~
6.~~stermy~~
7.spartie
8. ~~noctis~~
9.killsen
10.~~zamuz~~
11.~~fazz~~
12.dahang
13. ~~strenx~~
14.~~zsx~~
15.garpy
16.~~vo0~~

times have changed you know. let it go man...let it go

Edited by mouse* at 09:34 CST, 8 November 2012

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hydr0 - Reply to #90

NO....

It's not over...

the bands gonna make it...

:(

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Heartlesss - Reply to #89

but now we have evil and pavel to replace cooller...

just kidding.

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ins ' - Reply to #89

i like this dreamhack's lineup more than that one tbh

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<< Comment #93 @ 03:42 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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AdoreSP

zeroql shouldnt be connected with this at all

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<< Comment #95 @ 04:00 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #93

That shit's old now. He's making movies for us during this event, thus contributing to the community.

Anyone contributing to quake these days should get a huge pat on the back. Comments like the ones you just did won't revive a slowly dying game.

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<< Comment #98 @ 04:15 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #95

agreed. eventhough i will never forgive any cheater one should have enough objectivity to admit that hes got editing skills and did a lot for the community. im curious to meet him

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<< Comment #134 @ 09:34 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #98

Yes and I hear Lance Armstrong is going to be lead organiser of the cycling events at the Rio Olympics because he has great planning skills and has done so much for the pro cycling community...

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<< Comment #186 @ 01:02 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #134

Cool!

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AdoreSP - Reply to #95

well u are in charge of that tournament so you can do whatever u want.

I still dont justify that making content allows cheaters to get back into the quake zone. Maybe some other movie maker who did not cheat would do those movie things for dreamhack more eagerly.

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<< Comment #106 @ 05:25 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #104

Guess I have another perspective on life. And I'm quite happy about that!

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Eviili - Reply to #106

its a matter of moral perspective and ethics..

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khan_ - Reply to #119

How is it moral or ethical to judge and banish someone for the rest of their lives even when they want to contribute to that same group they cheated against in other ways than playing?

Grow a spine, don't be such god damn drama queen.

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<< Comment #260 @ 03:56 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #123

contribute

It has nothing to do with his "contribution", its his bad intentions that are wrong in the first place.

I have nothing against him to continue playing quake, I believe he does love the game.. but I have issues with him being involved in tournaments.He is not a fucking rocket scientist nazi von Braun, he just makes silly random movies, pls spare me the contribution arguments.

If anyone should grow a spine its you.

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<< Comment #322 @ 05:56 CST, 12 December 2012 >>

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khan_ - Reply to #260

Then why don't you make silly random movies? People seem to love them, enough to ask him to join them at a tournament as staff.

Why don't you get off your chair, you spineless drooling idiot, and do something?

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melechesh ' - Reply to #322

It was entirely nvc's decision, nobody elses.

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Eviili - Reply to #322

Why don't you get off your chair, you spineless drooling idiot, and do something?

Im pretty certain I do more in my life then you in yours, dumbfuck... and no I dont need to do silly random movies, because I have other things to do.

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khan_ - Reply to #324

Ye, like whining on boards about a gamer who cheated once. How he should be shunned from a dead game for all time.

When I said do something I meant something productive.

Get a freaking life.

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #119

Yes it is about that. And it is an ethical matter to consider more complex solutions than just capital punishment. Especially if an individual can do good for society in an environment that excludes second offense.

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teioh - Reply to #125

I thought you were smarter than that :(

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #190

If you want to argue, you are more then welcome. Actually, let me start: I'm not saying I want to see him playing. I'm saying that it's ok to have him do videos, which is an area he cannot harm anyone and where actually he is very good at. Tell me what is wrong about this.

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buzek - Reply to #194

Call it a far-fetched and inappropriate comparison but suppose ZeroQL is a peado. He abused a child and got caught. No matter how much he regrets it, he would end up in a prison for at least a couple years. He would then go for a therapy. For the purpose of this comparison let me simplify the world and say that the therapy has been successful and it's pretty much certain he would never be a peado again. Shall we then let him work in the Kindergarten?

I'd rather gunge that peado!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eaaih3zqf4

Also, what someone has already said, I'm pretty sure there are at least few talented movie makers among Quakers that would love to have an opportunity to take care of this event.

I'm not utterly against ZeroQL being there, as long as he's not being paid (even the travel expenses). If he is though, then it's such a shame... Is he being paid for that?

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #204

Not a super fan of the analogy, as my guts would twist if people would use such analogy on anything I've done, but for the sake of argumentation here is how I would map it to our case.

- A Kindergarten is like any Quake competition: a place where he would be tempted to do second offense, a place I would be scared to see him even if he has the best intentions.

- Movie making is like a place where no kids are around. What harm can he do with video production?

So now the question is what to do. Excluding him from anything that has to do with the community is like life imprisonment / death sentence. I think allowing him to do video is acceptable. He is very talented, if not one of the best. Nobody is going to forget what he's done, but he can try to at least win some respect back helping out. I'm personally ready to see him trying his best at this. Allowing him to play/compete? That's another debate.

About other talented people? Did they step up for this position? I guess there is more demand than offer, but I might be wrong.

Edited by Memento_Mori at 08:15 CST, 9 November 2012

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buzek - Reply to #206

Well, he'll be filming a quake competition. It's as if a peado was responsible for creating a promotional video for a private kindergarten :))) Take a note here that I'm not entirely serious about this whole comparison!

<< Comment #209 @ 08:24 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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teioh - Reply to #206

Having him at a LAN, free to promote himself via his videos in an environment where the competition is supposed to be free of cheating and prestigious is just ridiculous. Someone like l1nkin could do a much better job of making a video anyway.

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<< Comment #211 @ 08:33 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #209

So your fear is that someone will forget what he has done? I know I wont.

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teioh - Reply to #211

No, my fear is that potential new players will remember/find out what he's done and think that the vast majority of the community believes cheating is acceptable, which is exactly what this action portrays.

edit: Some people here are trolling in supporting zeroql just to get pluses or because they think its funny to act/be retarded. Personally I love Quake and wouldn't dream of trolling when cheaters are concerned since its a serious disrespect to the game.

Edited by teioh at 10:14 CST, 9 November 2012

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<< Comment #221 @ 11:21 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #220

So that I understand you, you would deal with cheating by totally excluding offenders from the community forever. Correct?

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megaman3 - Reply to #221

isn't that what ban means?

is there anyone in quake live that deserves getting banned from QL and from ESR (more like he left) more than zeroql? He did everything possible to hurt the community besides pulling the ql's power cable off.

<< Comment #238 @ 18:32 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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lat-is-davis - Reply to #222

how the fuck did he hurt the quake community?

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megaman3 - Reply to #238

cheating in pubs
cheating in tournaments

but most importantly, developing an aimbot. Is there anything worse than that?

Edited by megaman3 at 09:27 CST, 10 November 2012

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mouse* - Reply to #244

developing shootmania

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<< Comment #271 @ 08:10 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #125

second offense?

check hammerstorm, tho theres plenty of other accs he cheated with.. now do spend some more time about complexity solutions, thx!

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<< Comment #111 @ 05:58 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #104

It's not like he can steal titles away from anyone by contributing with content to the community. Geez, relax.

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hydr0 - Reply to #104

After the event, ID wont pat him on the back and say "it's ok son" we all make mistakes.... come play quakelive again.....
He's not coming back to quake
he's helping blaze and the admins stream the event, which adds to the overall enjoyment of everyone watching....

WTFU noob

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<< Comment #321 @ 03:26 CST, 4 December 2012 >>

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hydr0 - Reply to #112

oh boy.... ID went and did just that -_-

I have no problem with him assisting or providing a service to improve the quality of an event....

But seriously... He's an admitted cheater and hack developer... WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU ALLOW HIM BACK....

If you're going to allow him to play, then the same needs to be done for the rest as well.... whats fair is fair, albeit a fucking retarded choice

Are rules considered more of a guideline these days... cause it sure as hell seems like they're not being enforced correctly....

<< Comment #131 @ 09:25 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #95

What doesn't revive a dying game is the prominent involvement of cheats. I'm sure I was not the only one who was really depressed by the whole thing when he got caught and I stopped playing as much because if someone like him was cheating then probably all those suspect players I had previously given the benefit of the doubt to probably were too. It was a small relief when he was publicly banned and made me think at least the community was self policing and would stamp out cheating, but now you're all kissing his Rs and given him opportunities at events like DH when other more honest members of the community probably would have like the chance and could do just as well if not better. The whole thing just sends a message to new players and existing players that QL is full of cheats... Having him connected with DH at all "...won't revive a slowly dying game"

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<< Comment #171 @ 14:22 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #131

Sorry! Forgot where I was arguing. I'll go back to minding my own business instead.

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #171

So you can put someone down for making a perfectly reasonable comment that many people agree with, but when someone takes the time to rationally explain to you why many people agree with that comment then they're unreasonable and not worth engaging with?

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blaze - Reply to #175

I think that people in general all deserve a second chance. Especially if it happens where they can't reproduce their "crime" and where it actually benefits people.

A mistake is a mistake. One can be sorry that it happened but not do much about it. From what I understood it was a practice game, no one got mugged or killed. ZeroQL was a good player and proved that on LAN.

I just can't understand the hate.. He can't cheat during dreamhack.

Edit: And I'm not kissing his ass. I'm arguing why he's involved, that's it.

Edited by blaze at 14:59 CST, 8 November 2012

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megaman3 - Reply to #179

It was intentional, not a mistake

and he did it again

and again

and again

and again

Including stealing other people's material in his so called great fragmovies....that can't be in anyone's top10 list. Besides it must be easier doing fragmovies if your frags are made by aimbots, that he intentionally helped to make and improve.

He is by far one of the biggest "offenders" we know about and you are giving him a 99th chance?

I can see him trying to come back but this time playing on lan, just to get caught using an aimbot if anyone tries to play on his pc rofl.

Edited by megaman3 at 16:44 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #141 @ 10:05 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #95

Sure I can pat him on the back...with a baseball bat.

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<< Comment #169 @ 14:16 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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fuzz - Reply to #95

I don't see how involving cheaters is contribution to community, quite the opposite.

Do you really need some shitty movie to be made, at a cost of tainting this finest Quake event we have left?

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<< Comment #97 @ 04:11 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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kaboom

sting will kick asses :D

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<< Comment #100 @ 04:47 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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ProT :

Ins is gonna take this, easy. ;)

I N S
N
S

Edit:
1. Ins
2. Tony
3. ZeroQL

Edited by ProT at 04:49 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #103 @ 05:00 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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gooda

HA Zeroql motherfucker :D

fuck man, when im not going, you are :o

<< Comment #110 @ 05:48 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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palatka

okay =P not the best list, not the worst

<< Comment #117 @ 06:17 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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rulleulf

Looking forward to Matrox interviews yeah!

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JaGGz - Reply to #117

we meat again

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gienon - Reply to #117

i spawn RG, he spawn RL, i say fuuck

<< Comment #118 @ 06:32 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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erzwo

Dont forget German Coverage at derquaker.com!

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<< Comment #155 @ 11:55 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (217.82.75.34) - Reply to #118

M O P P Z
O
P
P
Z

???

<< Comment #121 @ 07:58 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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MrJon

gah. cant make up my mind if i should go or not. hyped for dhw2012 anyways

<< Comment #130 @ 09:22 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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viaIImaximus - Reply to #121

if u've got the financial side covered, you should definitely go. you will meet probably almost everyone and the experience is just priceless.

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blaze - Reply to #121

Go for it! I'd go for Friday if you wanna watch a lot of good QL games.
Otherwise Saturday, catch the QL final and perhaps watch cs / hon / dota2 on DreamArena extreme :)
I think a daypass is about 150 SEK, so not much money for entrance.

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<< Comment #120 @ 07:32 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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megaman3

Group stage is going to be awesome.

<< Comment #174 @ 14:27 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #120

Will definitely be really interesting groups! Skill gap seems closer this year compared to the previous events.

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<< Comment #128 @ 09:17 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SigningOff

so is rapha really going? He haven't played much lately.

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palatka - Reply to #128

read in some other thread, anhedonique said he confirmed 2-3 days ago

<< Comment #129 @ 09:20 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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megaman3

Get sombra there to co-cast.

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<< Comment #144 @ 10:14 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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donka ' - Reply to #129

lolled

<< Comment #136 @ 09:46 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX

Well this will be another of his Fragmovies I won't be watching - I deleted all the others of his when he got caught cheating and to be fair they weren't that good - all a bit over editted and pretentious to be fair. How about telling ZeroQL to gtfo and bring in Sharpe instead?

<< Comment #138 @ 09:55 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #136

hell no!

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #138

Well just get rid of zeroql then...

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mouse* - Reply to #140

im looking forward to meet him actually.

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<< Comment #173 @ 14:25 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #136

rofl

<< Comment #143 @ 10:12 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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thuNDa

Z E R O Q L
E
R
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<< Comment #149 @ 10:40 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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I don't understand all the ZeroQL hate. I mean ok, he cheated, but now he's making goddamn movies. You can't cheat during movie-making.

I mean if X steals, and then X wants to clean your house, it's obvious you might not want it, because X can steal again from your house, but surely you would allow X to pick up the trash from the street, right? Can't hurt anybody.

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<< Comment #150 @ 11:02 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #149

well he stole the intro of a Lee movie (that russian that does fragmovies no one likes)

Edited by megaman3 at 11:03 CST, 8 November 2012

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<< Comment #151 @ 11:14 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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24 - Reply to #150

Fair enough. Bring the cross, guys, I have the nails and the hammer.

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<< Comment #184 @ 20:40 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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simonov - Reply to #150

plussed for a "that russian that does fragmovies no one likes", got me laughing :)

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BloodRave - Reply to #150

Link?

<< Comment #228 @ 14:30 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #201

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OACSfe1pHo

&top comment on the youtube vid.

<< Comment #274 @ 13:45 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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BloodRave - Reply to #228

That's just a score... I don't see how this could be called stealing.

<< Comment #153 @ 11:17 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #149

I dont understand all the zeroql Rs licking. I mean ok, he can make movies, but he's a f*cking cheat and helped others develop cheats and now he's being given great opportunities at events like DH when more genuine supporters of the game could do just as well.

Remember this is the sort of guy who hangs out and pals around with all the other honest players making movies and making a name for himself and at the same time he is installing and using an aimbot when playing the same people online and helping other friends develop and improve aimbots for wider distribution.

And now people are saying he has done so much to support the game. It makes me sick.

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<< Comment #163 @ 13:16 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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butcher_kgp '

Enough with the ZeroQL hate already.

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Yellack

Already love the ZeroQL drama! <3

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mouse* - Reply to #165

i wonder if he follows this thread

<< Comment #176 @ 14:38 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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karizma

go reload \o/ go killsen \o/

<< Comment #177 @ 14:42 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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rizzah

LOL some of you wont be able to see the stream from so high up on your horse

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<< Comment #182 @ 18:08 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #177

that was witty as fuck. have a [+]

<< Comment #183 @ 19:04 CST, 8 November 2012 >>

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Kristus

The pitch fork mob at ESR is usually pretty obtuse and seemingly lack any ability to make reasoned and balanced judgements on anything, but when it comes to ZeroQL. They really go all in with that philosophy.

To quote Robert Downey Jr.'s character from Tropic Thunder. "Never go full retard."

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<< Comment #191 @ 01:32 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #183

This! :D

<< Comment #192 @ 01:54 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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teioh - Reply to #191

Why don't we let zhu and sombra cast and promote zeroql's videos on stream while we're at it?

Seriously, how can you even consider calling people retards that disagree with involving cheaters at LAN? You're getting worse and worse in this thread. Lost all my respect for DH.

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<< Comment #195 @ 03:39 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #192

This! :D

<< Comment #197 @ 04:16 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #183

Quite honestly the arguments questioning the wisdom of his involvment in the event are quite sound:

Against:

He wasn't some little kid just trying out a hack, he made a conscious decision to use and help develop cheats for a game in which he was a prominent member of the community and fully understood the impact of what he was doing. By being such a well known figure, his outing as a cheat means he has single handedly done more harm to the game than any other individual recently.

One of the main reasons QL is not building a larger player base is because its hard to get good. Everyday below average players get called cheats by new players because they hit 30+ LG acc or hit 3 rails in a row, when really what we want these new players to be thinking is "Wow! I wanna be that good!" so they play more and try harder. The common assumption that it is hacking and not skill that accounts for good gaming performance results in the new players either quiting or using hacks themselves.

By involving ZeroQL so prominently in this high profile event sends a message that cheating is no big deal, everyone does it even those centrally involved in the pro events. This is basic stuff that any event organiser should understand.

And why after the harm he has caused should he be allowed the opportunity to continue to use the game as a vehicle to further his budding movie making career?

For:

By making a 5 min movie that most people will watch once and then delete he is doing so much for the community. Any comments against his inclusion are not helping revive a dying game.

Which camp looks retarded to you?

Edited by SwarmDMX at 04:20 CST, 9 November 2012

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<< Comment #208 @ 08:16 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (213.112.133.118) - Reply to #197

"One of the main reasons QL is not building a larger player base is because its hard to get good."

This is such bullshit, there are lots of hard games that are popular. Why cant quake players grasp that their game is a design failure?

Players can accept losing IF they feel they understand why and can envision themselves making a different choice and winning in the next game. In quake, if your slightly behind in skill, you get assraped for 10 minutes and have no clue to what to do differently.

If the gamemodes were structured differently then quake could have been a fantastic success story but no.

<< Comment #224 @ 12:19 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #208

lol an anonymous swede <sigh> Well if you care to read what I wrote it says "One of the main reasons..." not "The only reason...". And you seem to be agreeing with me anyway by saying:

In quake, if your slightly behind in skill, you get assraped for 10 minutes and have no clue to what to do differently. --> i.e. Its very hard to get good.

So what you are saying is that it is bulshit that one of the reasons the player base is small is because it hard to get good, because in fact the real reason according to you is because it's hard to get good?

I understand now why you posted anonymously :D

Edited by SwarmDMX at 12:23 CST, 9 November 2012

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<< Comment #187 @ 01:21 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (93.186.31.84)

Keep this Piece of shit zeroqlnab outta sight plz. And Tf is wrong with tall supporting this newbie.

<< Comment #188 @ 01:24 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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teioh

Fucking disgusting.

<< Comment #189 @ 01:31 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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optimizer

missing baksteen,guard,czm and dahang too bad they cant attend to make a great tournament even greater

<< Comment #196 @ 03:49 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #189

yeah, I miss DaHang =/

<< Comment #198 @ 04:31 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #196

Yes his performance at Qcon definitely moved him into the heavyweight division.

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<< Comment #193 @ 02:29 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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/rage quit

Really nice to see Reload. I hope he attends more tournaments in the future. GL man.

<< Comment #199 @ 04:59 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Sub_

putting aside all the moral issues discussed here, please just make sure not to allow people like zeroql, mouse* etc, who are wannabe funnies and have no actual entertainment skills whatsoever, on the stream.. if you don't have content, take a break.
mind you I loved things like the vo0gd show obviously, but they have some serious wits and are genuinely funny.

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<< Comment #214 @ 09:16 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #199

dont worry ill stay faaar faaar away from stream this time. i dont have an explanation why i end up n front of it so often. sry for the boredom must be something childhood related.
on a second thought at DHS i didnt want to be on stream i wanted to use zoots laptop to browse facebook in the first place. eindhoven was just having fun with the stream (was only 500 peops ) for the lols. and adroits... well i am ashamed and to be honest i can not remember a single scene beeing in front of it.

Edited by mouse* at 09:20 CST, 9 November 2012

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<< Comment #235 @ 16:37 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #214

"...and adroits... well i am ashamed and to be honest i can not remember a single scene beeing in front of it." :D :D :D don't be, you are sexy mousi!! :*

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<< Comment #250 @ 13:29 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #235

:D <3

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<< Comment #210 @ 08:30 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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danstar

nice that you guys take a cheater to provide coverage.

surely a step in the right direction!

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<< Comment #213 @ 09:14 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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mouse*

Get vo0 for casting dreamhack already !

V o 0
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Edited by mouse* at 10:00 CST, 9 November 2012

<< Comment #216 @ 09:40 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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megaman3

So how much is the aimbot developer getting paid, including all expenses?

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<< Comment #227 @ 13:43 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #216

Seriously, who cares? Somehow there are always the same people ranting the loudest on esr without having ever done anything else except QQing all day long.

Some of you would even sent him to the gallows if it would be possible ...

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<< Comment #230 @ 14:45 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #227

[+] me if you want to send zeroql to the gallows.

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<< Comment #233 @ 16:06 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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iavoal

"Z+e+r+o+q+l" order of letters is a NLP-virus of 89 level. It has the power to transform every thread into we meat again thread.

<< Comment #234 @ 16:11 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Aynach

Ye Mby f u addy good palyer lyk Moldowans or r u scare?

<< Comment #236 @ 16:53 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #234

Yeah we totally scare 2 duel 4 moldowa.

<< Comment #237 @ 16:59 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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puritan ' - Reply to #234

Moldawa dual = cypher walking frag. Moldawa to stronk.

Edited by puritan at 17:00 CST, 9 November 2012

<< Comment #241 @ 03:59 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #234

)))

<< Comment #239 @ 18:49 CST, 9 November 2012 >>

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rockz '

zeroql? thought he is a cheater?

<< Comment #242 @ 08:21 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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Ffleri

Just take care of some great players sitting in front of the stream as much time as possible. I want to see them casting, telling jokes and superb stories!

<< Comment #246 @ 09:54 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen '

// no way I'm listening to this crap again

Edited by Anhedonique at 16:43 CST, 10 November 2012

<< Comment #256 @ 15:06 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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Le0 - Reply to #246

I've heard this argument a lot and i'm getting curious.
What is it exactly that he's doing "for ql" that's worth defending his blunder over?
Making tasteless frag movies?
I personally think that handpicking him to "give him a second chance" instead of giving the job to a more capable person is the definition of ass-backwards.
Remember kids, you'll get to work at DH as a community service if you'll get caught cheating in ql.
Go get em!

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<< Comment #257 @ 15:08 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #256

//gone

Edited by Anhedonique at 16:43 CST, 10 November 2012

<< Comment #258 @ 16:29 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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Le0 - Reply to #257

Sure, i never made tasteless frag vids. Or tried too much to be funny on stream.
Anything else he did "for ql"?

<< Comment #259 @ 16:33 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #246

oh, you support cheaters?

his movies are waaaaay overestimated and he is getting paid to go there, twice. I just don't get how someone that developed an aimbot and that cheated repeatedly is still a part of the community.

Lets put it this way: he most probably is banned from going to quakecon.

Edited by megaman3 at 16:35 CST, 10 November 2012

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<< Comment #281 @ 17:37 CST, 15 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #259

Don't think they would ban anyone from going to Quakecon.

<< Comment #282 @ 17:42 CST, 15 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #281

slasher

<< Comment #283 @ 17:43 CST, 15 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #282

What happened to him? :D

<< Comment #284 @ 17:45 CST, 15 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #283

is banned from quakecon

<< Comment #285 @ 19:28 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #281

u still trying ?

http://666kb.com/i/c91eq7fki7tf5q4w5.jpg

then check profile to see the magic !

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<< Comment #286 @ 20:02 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #285

Virus, no thanks.

<< Comment #287 @ 20:22 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #286

don't dodge :)

<< Comment #288 @ 20:28 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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teioh - Reply to #286

Circumventing ban again, Stratic?

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<< Comment #289 @ 20:29 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #288

its game over ;)

no continues

<< Comment #290 @ 20:38 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #288

My Stratic account has been on quake czech stats wall of shame for over 6 months now, it shouldn't be anything new to anyone :)
Although, I do have a new account at the moment, so no worries, eh? :-)
Didn't even know that lithx was banned actually, couldn't play on it anyways.

Edited by lithxiv at 20:40 CST, 16 November 2012

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lithz - Reply to #285

Also, I have no idea why you would even be searching up "lithx", you really are obsessed with me right? :p
Pretty sad really.

<< Comment #292 @ 20:41 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #291

nah i saw u while i was on the ql forums, the fact that you asked me to duel one week before you got busted made this memorable :D

<< Comment #294 @ 20:44 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #292

Hm, don't remember ever asking YOU to duel, I asked rootsra.

<< Comment #293 @ 20:43 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #285

I really am kind of interested as to how you even found that account, do you search "Lithx" in the friends search every day or what, I mean, theres no other way right? Are you done with vortex portal, what about rootsra? =)

<< Comment #295 @ 20:52 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #293

it doesnt matter what you remember tbh, i remember it, rootsra made a funny vid about you telling him you rape him on quake.. well the irony is baffling.

anyway, how would i search something of which the existance i didnt know about? pls explain and be more elaborate because you know yourself how silly that is to me :)

<< Comment #296 @ 20:54 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #295

Okay, "how would you find my lithx account out of the blue?" I've never even posted on the forums since my first account, so there's no way you would even find my account unless you have been endlessly searching it up on the account search feature :)

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danstar - Reply to #296

comment #292 explains that

i just saw you among people that were online, and who else would it be .. it was so effortless, its a pity isn't it.

<< Comment #298 @ 20:57 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #297

People that were online? Didn't know about that feature, screenshot please :)

<< Comment #299 @ 20:59 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #298

i got a screenshot for you

http://666kb.com/i/c91eq7fki7tf5q4w5.jpg

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lithz - Reply to #299

As I said above, couldn't play on that account anyways, only made it to test something :)
I asked for a screenshot of players online or I guess I am right about you searching lithx everyday in the search function ))))))) Sad.

Also, umad? My Stratic account was known for a year by most of the community, but most of them really didn't even care, you are obsessed ))

Edited by lithxiv at 21:02 CST, 16 November 2012

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danstar - Reply to #300

i didnt know about stratic, and i dont care - but i thought the magic trick is speeeeshul :D

<< Comment #302 @ 21:05 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #301

Reporting me to support is not a magic trick :-) You also didn't answer the above, give me a link to the screenshot of players online or sad. )))))

I cheat at Defrag too, ban me ploz ))))))))))
http://dfwc.q3df.org/rounds/round.php?round=1#r_players

Edited by lithxiv at 21:06 CST, 16 November 2012

<< Comment #303 @ 21:07 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #302

listen, the words of a cheater mean nada to me.

you seem very upset and i like it.

<< Comment #304 @ 21:09 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #303

Still, question unanswered, it's like you're trying to hide how sad and pathetic what you are doing actually is, 1 year later and you're still searching up my name in a search bar? Get over it, I cheated, it's not the end of the world. You can try and search for my new account if you like :-)

Would you rather me come back and do a Yuka, detlew, or "daddy04" than play legit? SyncError told me himself that he found nothing on my Stratic account.

Edited by lithxiv at 21:10 CST, 16 November 2012

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danstar - Reply to #304

i just did it for shits and giggles cus i spotted you like i already stated, are you really that demented that you can't follow up?

the result: you are pissed off and it seems worth the 1 minute effort it took to get you into this dilemma :D

<< Comment #306 @ 21:14 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #305

Follow up? I asked you for a screenshot for proof, get me it already :)
"Pissed off" I can play quake fine right now.

If you need help on how to upload a screenshot, press print screen, open paint, ctrl + v in paint, save as, open up website imgur, upload to imgur, get imgur link an paste in ESR. No probs.

Edited by lithxiv at 21:18 CST, 16 November 2012

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danstar - Reply to #306

i ilke how a cheater tries to call others sad and pathetic, priceless :D

cya

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<< Comment #308 @ 21:19 CST, 16 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #307

Surrendering to the truth :D
Good night frenchie.

<< Comment #312 @ 14:48 CST, 18 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #308

hmm - they removed all the good stuff as usual from the ql forums, anyway you seem to have endless nicknames, which will lead to endlessly getting banned.

roots even knew your newest name the minute your old one got banned.

Edited by Danstar at 20:57 CST, 19 November 2012

<< Comment #313 @ 14:49 CST, 18 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #312

Datz rite.

<< Comment #247 @ 11:33 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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lithz

Z E R O Q L
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<< Comment #248 @ 13:20 CST, 10 November 2012 >>

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Ryan2015

What a load of crap

He does something for the community give him an award blablabla
He cheated got caught doesnt deserve anything

bunch a hypocrits

<< Comment #261 @ 04:58 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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GUArd

I see Destrukt is on form from online games, shame he is not coming.

<< Comment #267 @ 06:21 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #261

Indeed, he's given rapha a hard time and even managed to beat him on both maps that they recentre played.

<< Comment #264 @ 05:25 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Trance

Haha foppa coming to a western lan. Didn't he threaten like 50% of the QL community to bash their heads in, etc? Including nvc? :D

<< Comment #265 @ 06:19 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (85.196.200.143) - Reply to #264

people can change, what's your problem, boy? BuTThurt much?

<< Comment #266 @ 06:20 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #265

You've been posting so much lately, how come you don't have an account yet?

<< Comment #270 @ 07:59 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Anonymous (85.196.200.143) - Reply to #266

rhetorical question, don't make it complicated for yourself

<< Comment #275 @ 14:13 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #270

it makes it easier to put you on ignore

<< Comment #269 @ 07:35 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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Trance - Reply to #265

haha yea I can see this change very well. Come say hi @ DH.

<< Comment #268 @ 06:41 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #264

Please make sure you get this on stream!

<< Comment #272 @ 08:21 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #264

He's already been to Adroits LAN. BLOOD FACE much?

<< Comment #278 @ 07:40 CST, 12 November 2012 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #264

He has been to Adroits recently(aka impulse7thd)
But afaik he's not able to come to DH cause couldn't make visa in time.

<< Comment #273 @ 12:08 CST, 11 November 2012 >>

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ins '

sry :(

<< Comment #277 @ 07:00 CST, 12 November 2012 >>

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smreism

i really don�t care for zeroql casting in english.

make some players cast as well please.

av3k...cypher...rapha...would be real awesome

<< Comment #279 @ 12:39 CST, 12 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #277

I'll clarify again. ZeroQl won't be casting or doing any commentating. He'll be doing different productions for the stream, overlays, videos and such.

We'll try to have players casting with nvc as much as possible!

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<< Comment #309 @ 08:03 CST, 17 November 2012 >>

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megaman3

so why was lithx banned for?

<< Comment #310 @ 08:14 CST, 17 November 2012 >>

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blaze - Reply to #309

que?

<< Comment #311 @ 10:33 CST, 17 November 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #309

who is lithx?

<< Comment #315 @ 17:17 CST, 18 November 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #311

http://www.esreality.com/post/2341436/dhw-las...pid2346078

some cheater

<< Comment #314 @ 15:51 CST, 18 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #309

Danstar doesn't like me, so he reports any account he finds out about

<< Comment #316 @ 13:07 CST, 21 November 2012 >>

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danstar - Reply to #314

you stated you decided to cheat because of the state ql was in.

what a reason - basically ql is infected with cheats cus people like you decided to use em. its really that simple.

and no, reporting you was a one time thing, the rest is up to you and your french idol.

<< Comment #317 @ 08:00 CST, 24 November 2012 >>

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lithz - Reply to #316

Ah right ye, he loves me )))
Did he beat my Vortex Portal time yet?

Edited by lithxiv at 08:01 CST, 24 November 2012

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danstar - Reply to #317

hes banned.

<< Comment #319 @ 04:00 CST, 26 November 2012 >>