free ql!

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I'm rusty, don't mock me.

how you do all the spaces? you won.

It's a natural wonder.

Nice touch with the edit.

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Dude.

2rd

"Be sure to follow us during QuakeCon, as we will have some more Quake Live related news to announce there!"

Color me intrigued

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Don't jinx it!

quake4 movement as quakelive 2.0 :DDD

That would literally be the nail in the coffin.

I would like to see blob-bobing heads hahahaha :DDD
I'm just trolling :) but q4 movement was the most complex and faster even than q3-ql movement. That would nail the game down atm.
But who knows what are they planing? Maybe quakelive in id-tech 5 engine with UBER TEXTURES for "smoother" gameplay hahaha....ok...trolling again.....only thing I would like to see will not happen so whatever they do is fine if it doesn't ruin the game even further.

Dumb people (aka 99%) already have big problems getting their head around strafe jumping, we don't really need deeper movement.

so give them their dumb mode and let the veterans have their promode.
clan arena/ffa scrubs will never switch and won't be bothered knowing there is a more "hardcore" mode out there.
spectators will get more a exciting game to watch.
we all win in the end

FUUUU!!

:DD That's cool, but my butthole is unavailable :DD

w/e

image placement eh? doesn't work

QL shuts down after every man and his dog buys a new, discounted pro subscriptions.

Only pro subscriptions get premium maps, right?

unless a pro user spawned a public server with premium maps afaik OpieOP

I don't understand and don't want to understand how QL works after the past years changes, so I have two questions:

1.Now that premium accounts are removed, can a "pro" user spawn a public server with premium maps and callvote, in which standard users can join without an invitation?
2. If true, doesn't that bypass the system entirely? Is there any other way or similar to not deal with the hassles of inviting players (1) and of not being able to callvote maps (2)?

Yes. A "Pro" player can spawn a server with any map and with callvoting enabled and any player can join their server without invitation.

While this does allow standard players to play any map or mode, they can only do so if a pro-spawned server is present in their area with available spots to play. Once the pro-launched servers are all full, since they do not have the ability to spin up their own server, they can only play on the public standard servers which run the monthly arena rotation.

Another question: will the regular premium servers continue to exist? I mean the public ones not spawned by pro users.

We currently have no plans to discontinue them. They still have decent usage and offer an obvious service to our grandfathered premium players.

Why don't yo just let players host their own servers and make the game free?

Also, give every player some money for supporting ql this long.

or money back... everything i payed for is now free... fuck id!

Yea but no paysafecard yet

whiners gonna whine

no its just stupid stuff, not all credit card they can do it

is the pro subscription lowered to the old premium?

No it used to cost ~25$ It's basically a price increase disguised as a decrease. That was expected considering shrinking player base and the price is still reasonable.

is it though? I'd say for what the game represents now it's high as shit. basically you're paying an entire quake 3 arena '99 (polish admittedly) price yearly for a supposedly free to play game

price increase disguised as a decrease

Well, it's a restriction in term of choices, but if i understand correctly the ability to spawn matches now costs less than before.

It's 1$ cheaper than pro used to be and 1$ more expensive than premium. Judging by #tdmpickup regulars and duelers in range 0-2k elo I play with - vast majority of them has premium accounts so I'm inclined to say it's a price increase. Will it bring more money and resources to quakelive? I hope so.

yeah most people were premium as far as I know, so this is an increase. I'm all for helping out quake live, but I'm still waiting for some serious change to the game with the resources.

What about letting free users in pro spawned servers? That was a pretty radical change if you ask me.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but how is that different from what was previously already possible? I've been spawning a server for free users for ages.

edit: nvm, the relatively new change is that I can choose any maps for them to play on.

For new subscriptions only from the start. But I really dont like the "we will continue your prem sub until unable to *for any reason*". Any reason. Aha. Wait...

Since day one they've always reserved the right to terminate any account at any time for any reason. That isn't new with this new pricing.

amazing how you managed to not name the actual new prize. Pro is 5$ a month, 12$ a quarter and 36$ a year now.

what was it before?

$47.88 a year I think

Edit: holysh1t.net made a price comparison
http://www.holysh1t.net/quake-live-subscriptions-changed/

$8/month :)

Quake Live coming to steam during Quakecon.

My friend called this when we were talking about what we thought the announcement this year could be, because it's apparently meant to be big.

So, I'm with you on this!

I don't think it coming to steam is unknown news. If that's their big announcement, id is dumber than I thought... and I think they're borderline down syndrome.

If anyone believes Steam does anything for Quake Live, may Carmack have mercy on your soul. There can only be one big announcement regarding Quake Live, and that is Quake Live being shut down.

Noooooooo.

mad bruh?

Purchased 10 years of pro a day ago
fu id!

SSSsss

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070622/?ref_=nv_sr_1

The one you linked has one more S. Must be a sequel...

Ssssssequel!

did you buy Q3?

So current premium members get access to all premium features (maps, premium servers, etc) forever basically at the premium price but new members can now only get these features by buying a pro membership, is this correct?

Wish i would have bought a premium subscription instead of a token now...

how much was premium before?

12 * $1,99 = $23,88

http://esreality.com/post/2613918/new-ql-subs...pid2613969

put all versions of quake in one standalone client. quakelive 2.0

cg_chooseengine q4

com_youwantquakedead 1

include a cvar that automatically spams ROFL whenever you get hit

The other day I played thehunter.com. It was strikingly similar to QL.

Tja

Rumor: TDM will be made easier for new players.

What, how?

spawn with 200/100, all weapons with full ammo, no armor, health, weapon, ammo or powerup pickups, no selfdamage or teamdamage, and it's round-based.

lol tdm

Do tell!

Let's hope syncterror destroys TDM in EU as well.

wait, so now that premium is removed, we basically have to pay 12 dollars extra if we want to play premium maps? my premium wont renew anyways because i used a giftcard to purchase it(which is empty now)

http://esreality.com/post/2613918/new-ql-subs...pid2613969

that's all fine and dandy but i dont want to really wait for some guy with pro to spawn a server when i could join servers with premium

Atleast the pro account quake players are cool dudes and spawns servers.

Really good, thoughtful improvement.

At least there is something new >:D

Guys I have secret info that they implemented Weird's netcode change requests so now weird is making a appearance at quakecon and he will win. You heard it hear first, don't forget the source.

So Weird is replacing Carmack's keynote?

he'd certainly love that. 3 hours talk about netcode :D

QuakeCon: From awkward to weird.

You forgot to add: Weird's netcode works only with PRO subscription.

hehe :D
How do you know that?

On a more serious note though.... I think that ID has managed to fuck up quake beyond repair with this move of "charging more for premium".
It's complete bs, if they wanted to cut the price then they should either
1) make the old pro cost the same ammount as the old prem, and give all prem users pro rights.
2) create 2 new prices (one for prem, one for pro).

They have (imho) lost all respect that the company once had.
That being said I would really like to actually compete at quakecon, because it seems like an amazing place to be. But I have played like 10~20 duels in the past half year or so... So I'm not in any shape.
Nor do I attribute enough value to a fun weekend to actually pay for it.
I do think that if I would ever plan a vacation to the usa that I would plan it around qcon and show up :D (not gonna happen this year though)

so tldr: if all you cared about were the premium features you are now forced to pay more

Renewal Status: Active (23.88 € per 12 months)
Renewal Date: 11/19/2014

not gonna change this :))

tldr: and if you needed PRO features you are now forced to pay less

Please read carefully again the posts by sync error.
Nobody is forced to pay more. (Only people who relied on tokens)

Wasn't a pro monthly 3.99?

1 month Pro was $7.99 (now $4.99).

Yes, noticed 3.99 was the original monthly price when subscriptions were only available on a yearly basis. Can't really find the old pricing anywhere of the tokens.

Yes, the old annual Pro rate was $47.88 ($4/mo) and the new annual Pro rate is $35.99 ($3/mo).

how come I'm not able to get a name change? I emailed you guys a bunch but got 1 reply saying you guys can't do name changes at the moment??

Have you done any fragmovies?

thats for unbanning. getting a name change might require another action

nah im hopin on my 2nd account it'll look more impressive when i have only 5 days played and am hitting directs left right and center

Dear sleepii,

to get the name change, you have to register the new account you want to have.

Then you ask to the support to transfer your subscription from the old account to the new one.

However, you will lose everything else such as friends, stats , awards and so on.

Please note that an ccount tranfer can be done only once to prevent abuses.

regards

whered you get that? :D

I did that three days ago

Name changes are for VIPs only.

Ima VIP so?

THANKS ANON

I don't understand, why would anyone want to change his name?

Mate, if I was you I'd consider it

Because, when you get inactive you old account can be registered by another guy.

This is what happened for me, and when the account what available again, I wanted to get my "real" nickname" back

pacmanpl where are you?
They're missing my joke again!
Waddami doin' wrong here :-P

Nice, premium sucked anyway.

P R O
R
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hehehe :D

what is everyone waring for cloths??

i dont see the point behind this, but whatevah.

gl ql.

new pro is more expensive then premium
new pro is cheaper than old pro
more former premium players than old pro

= more money earned

Actually we had/have more Pro users than Premium users. So the only way we're making more money off of this move is if the new lower Pro prices encourage more people to buy.

This change is more about the big picture that our game will sustain itself longer if the the offering we've been promoting were cheaper. We hadn't had a price cut in four years, and I think we were overdue.

the change is definitely a step in the right direction

maybe you can afford it now dird?

so, New Pro price will be more than current Premium?

genius anon is genius

my question was posted much earlier than published

I have pro subscription active, will it automatically switch to the new pricing at the next term?

Correct. Auto-renewals use the current rates, not the price point at purchase time.

During an auto-renewal:

* If there is a sale you get the cheaper rate.
* If we lower the prices of the offering, you get the cheaper rate.

Thanks.

During an auto-renewal: "If we lower the prices of the offering, you get the cheaper rate."
And if you higher the prices? Tokens are safer way to subscribe.

"We will continue to renew your Premium subscription at the current prices, until we are unable to renew your Premium subscription for any reason."
There are no current premium prices, it's not offered at all. It might be better to not renew premium for consistency. Maybe even remove it completely, converting premium time to pro.

1.) If you purchase during a sale, an auto-renew can occur at a normal rate, but we would never raise prices. I assume that wouldn't even be legal without cancelling the subscriptions first. So no one would ever be charged more on a renewal than the normal going rate.

2.) The Premium prices still remain, unchanged, for grandfathered Premium players. We are just no longer selling additional Premium subscriptions.

We're not that old...well ok.

Sync who is yay0??

Please answer the real important questions here

just make q4 free and shut up

The big announcement will be a Quake for android and other mobile platforms :D:D

Q1, Q2, Q3, d1, d2, d3! - already on android.

Shouldn't have subscribed to a year of premium a few months ago :[

Why not? Your year of premium was cheaper, and if you now want to upgrade to Pro, all of your remaining Premium time will be converted into a discount towards your new purchase. You can upgrade for really cheap atm if you want Pro.

" all of your remaining Premium time will be converted into a discount towards your new purchase."
Didn't know this, thanks

This is such a joke. I was banned from Quake Live and my post was removed as I criticized their efforts... Cant believe they cant take facts as they are, most of the big companies have figured out that best way to fight criticism is to politely respond to it instead of trying to shut down people criticizing.

Anyway heres my 2cents about this shiaaat.

Oh, so ID realized that no one really buys pro and as they need more money, they decided to force everyone to buy PRO. Fucking great thinking down there, in some time we will have more spawned servers meaning there will be more abuse in regards of aborted and force specced matched in order to gain ELO...

Personally I never join to spawned servers as the server admin has power to abort match and even force spec you, which sometimes leads to some serious abuse.

Instead of shit like this, what if you would finally code working ranking and matchmaking system? Currently you have none and community coded qlranks is the the one and only reason some people even bother playing this game.

Personally I work as web developer and I know things even greater than qlranks can be done in 1-2 weeks with one skilled developer, but well, guess you really have none.

Actually we had/have more Pro users than Premium users. So the only way we're making more money off of this move is if the new lower Pro prices encourage more people to buy.

You can have your post removed from the forum for language... and that can result in a forum ban.

You shouldn't have been banned in-game though, I'll take care of that.

Thank you, I really appreciate that.

will you drive me to quakecon?

I'm lazy for browsing but how do I report an obvious cheater?
Just send my demo of encountering those players to someone or what?
Tnx ;)

Send a demo to [email protected]

tnx :) i'll be reporting from now on, I have at least 10 of them :)

Personally I never join to spawned servers as the server admin has power to abort match and even force spec you, which sometimes leads to some serious abuse.

I think they should remove /abort cvar cause people abusing this (hi strenx). :D

Most of the players that spawns leave the server after they stop playing and you play just another guy. That's the case most of the times.

when i join a server i will getting kicked either instantaneously or after one game, not always, but way too often that i started to avoid private servers.

the reason for that is, that i am simply not good enough for most of the remaining ql-duelers. but most of the time, i have no other choice but to play elo 1.6k+, which is a huge difference since i am 1.2k+ and i dont seem to get better. but this difference is not always the case i have to add, but at least its the more common one.

anyway i enjoy the game pretty much, its the only computer game is still play. i am playing it since q3test. over the time i came to the conclusion to not care about how good i am because quake is my hobby and i take out of my hobby what i like to. still it gives me things i appreciate.

now i am afraid, that it will become harder for me to find opponents since they all can take look at qlranks to determine how good i am and kick me on their private servers. its kind of sad for me.

Sad to hear that. I rarely experience it as most of the time the server creator don't come or he come and leave us playing. Maybe I play on "better hours" when they don't, dunno.

You might want to see this: http://www.esreality.com/post/2525799/looking...-opponent/ and this: http://www.esreality.com/post/2525799/looking...pid2533964

"Most of the players that spawns leave the server after they stop playing and you play just another guy."

and if he is come back to his server he will just kick the playing players. end of the game. i also experienced this.

QuakeCon 2014 will be all about upcoming Doom reboot: http://doom.com/

yeah there was a newspost about that ages ago

still kinda waiting for the sick offer they had in late 2012 with 25€ for 1 year pro. hope it will come back for holidays or something.

planet apes when he sees the freedom statue? :>

I believe it's at the beginning of the Movie when they just Escapes the sinking spacecraft.

25 euros is 34 dollars, new pro price is 36, enjoy the never ending holiday.

Pro price is 36€ in europe, not 36$.

what if you use different country when paying?

That will lead to having your creditcard flagged @ ID's payment thing and you won't be able to buy subs.

Don't ask me how I know :-( (it's been resolved though). Prices are 40% higher for euro users, so thats not all of europe. Anyway im fine with it.

i dont like it ofc. but its common in gaming. $ = E. its not like id does a major crime.

yeah I tried that. Unfortunatly no PayPal or something. Direct Debit is not available too.
I mean 35€ is a good price don't get me wrong. But I still kinda enjoy playing free (map rotation aint that bad).

It says $35.99 for 12 months here. Maybe it's just you rich Swiss who have to pay that amount in Euros.

It's $ in Switzerland too.
But in countries which use € as currency you have to pay the ful 36 in € as far as I know.

I'm in such a country, and it still lists $35.99.

Well then my theory seems to be wrong.
But some people do pay the price in euro. There were some complaints about it when the subscription system was first introdcued and it's also visible in Comment #13.

It certainly says 35.99€ for me

is the price in the UK in £ then?

Used to be ;S

are you saying i can pay to be pro

Pay2win confirmed

Already mentioned by someone, but I've put this in an article on www.holysh1t.net with 2 comparison tables (1 for $/€ and 1 for £), you can easily compare how much more or less you'll be paying.

http://www.holysh1t.net/quake-live-subscriptions-changed/

i paid 8 dollars for pro just a few hours before this... what a day

Wouldn't be surprised if the new changes they made to quakelive would force us to pay for weapons.

$0.99c a month extra for Machine gun.
$1.50c a month extra for Shot gun.
$2.00 a month extra for Grenade launcher.
$2.50 a month extra for Plasma gun.
$3 a month extra for Rocket launcher.
$4 a month extra for Rail gun.
$5 a month extra for Lightening gun.

extra machinegun? Like dualwield it? I'd pay.

dude, thinking in broader way - dual lighting gun
this would do for Strenx same thing as changes from q3 to ql did for Rapha

I'm happy about this change, upgraded to Pro because of it.

Do not give in! Fight the evil corporations!

such a blatantly obvious attempt to squeeze more money out of the "whats left" community... now were are forced to buy pro instead of prem which is basically premium but at a higher price now

just get off your lazy asses and make a NEW quake.. how can you call yourselves developers when you havent developed shit all anything new for yearrrrrs now...

If you read above posts the you learn that only people without premium subscription are forced to buy pro if they want premium now

Plus pro is not "basically premium". The feature if spawning servers counts a lot in my book and justifies 70% of the price IMO.

Plus why would they make a new quake for the "what's left community?"

Plus new doom is coming and as we know it's always doom/quake/wolf taking turns with new games. Been like this for century two and a half decades.

Plus new quake features will most likely be announced at qcon.

Plus anyone can call themselves developers if they developed something at some point.

But feel free to rant on.

im not talking about free users dumbass.. im saying now instead of buying prem for cheaper u have to buy pro even if u dont care about the extra shit

new quake because if they actually modernize it and make the new quake appealing to new players and sponsors etc then it wouldnt be a "whats left" community anymore it would bring in NEW players and sponsors (look at cs:go.. more then tripled the old cs community and has already more then passed the record for prize pots in cs history in under a year and is still rising)

i dont care about doom and the new wolf is shit and singleplayer and the new doom looks like ass already to

you are an id software dick rider letting them manipulate the shit out of you for a few extra bucks because you are so deluded.... these "new features" will more then likely just be alternative ways for them to make money... do you HONESTLY believe that they are going to do something game changing or something that benefits the community/scene? if so then you truly are delusional... lets just wait and see what these "new features" are and come back to this thread after they are announced so we can talk about how i called it


Being a dreamer is a good thing but it inflates your expectations

im saying now instead of buying prem for cheaper u have to buy pro even if u dont care about the extra shit

this is just plain wrong. sync error stated that if you have a premium subscription it will continue with the price you had before. indefinitely.

new quake because if they actually modernize it and make the new quake appealing to new players and sponsors etc then it wouldnt be a "whats left" community anymore it would bring in NEW players and sponsors (look at cs:go.. more then tripled the old cs community and has already more then passed the record for prize pots in cs history in under a year and is still rising)

i dont care about doom and the new wolf is shit and singleplayer and the new doom looks like ass already to

as i said it's probably new quake's turn when doom is finished developing.

wolf -> doom -> quake -> wolf -> doom -> quake (or similar) etc. it's not hard.?

also why would they care about your opinion? the new wolf is actually an average+/rather good game with very nice graphics and an ok single player. all in all it's ok. it's dead expensive but all new games are.

how can new doom look like ass if there have been no in game footage whatsoever?

you seam awfully biased.

you are an id software dick rider letting them manipulate the shit out of you for a few extra bucks because you are so deluded.... these "new features" will more then likely just be alternative ways for them to make money... do you HONESTLY believe that they are going to do something game changing or something that benefits the community/scene? if so then you truly are delusional... lets just wait and see what these "new features" are and come back to this thread after they are announced so we can talk about how i called it

the personal insult is not necessary and just tells me that you're done using arguments and failed stating your point. I've been rather ok with what the quake crew has put out as new features in the last couple years. I don'T need to change quake. why? it's perfect. quake 3 was also perfect when it had 10 players. It's never gonna have the same glory as 2002-2004 or whatnot. quake live has an ok player base ongoing tournaments and it's going pretty ok for a title that is COMPLETELY outdated by about 10 years. if I want to play a game that is the hip shit, where i can be insulted by 13 year olds with roc cat mice and mechanical keyboards i play dota or lol. if i want to watch 10 million dollar tournaments i watch dota. if i want to buy funny hats i buy them for TF2. if i want up to date graphics I play an up to date single player shooter. if i want to play quake, i play quake. simple as that. good thing we're not forced to only play one single game ever, right?

Being a dreamer is a good thing but it inflates your expectations

although you failed miserable in identifying my expectations (see above) this statement itself is somewhat not 100% wrong. and is the only sentence of your post that is.

where did i fail to state my point? its not a personal insult its an observation.. you are acting as if these "new features" are somehow going to negate all of the negatives i pointed out when in reality they are probably just going to be like every new thing they add which are more things you have to pay to use... how many times has that happened since quake lives release?...

was it childish to use that exact wording? maybe but the reasoning is valid and the point i made afterwards still stands.. and regardless of any thing said here its pointless until we find out what they actually are doing but using experience i can make the assumption that it will be more money grabbing techniques if history repeats itself which it usually does

and as for the whole "new quake" and community etc im not saying that quake HAS to return to the glory days when everyone was playing and there were big tournaments and all of that im simply saying that something should be done to make it a more viable game to PAY for.. instead of id squeezing the last pennies out of the shrinking community... do you not agree? do you not agree thats its bs you have to pay monthly to basically play a polished q3 when you only had to buy q3 once? do you not agree that if we are pumping money into the game that we should get some more out? i fail to see where you apply logic

i love quake and i love id for a lot of the things they have done but just look at the companies that do it right like valve then look at id and you start to realize how you are being screwed over

I'm sorry, are you complaining about $12 a year?

lol u poor kid lol

its not about money you imbecile

you do not posses the level of intelligence to comprehend moral issues.. moving on

What exact moral issues? That you're wrong and id actually makes game cheaper and you don't want to admit it?

lol what moral issues lol

The game is cheaper than it used to be (yep) and this is not a about an individual's values.

plus there is no point in making a new quake, see quake 4

that was a failed half-assed lazy attempt

We need a proper new Quake 3 Arena tier game, same physics, same concept of awesome aesthetics, gore, super graphics and new shit for the newbs. None of this sterile ass no swag shit that was Q4

You just described Quake 4.

No because what I described is the opposite of Q4.

- Q4 has practically the same physics as Q3, just adding the buttsliding gimmick.
- A mixture of Q3 and Q2's aesthetics.
- Gore.
- Super graphics (one of the best looking games of its time)
- new shit for the newbs too (including mechanical combat actually)
- and I'll add that the gameplay was practically the same. Same weapons, very similar balance, same objectives/items, same concepts across every mod, no addition whatsoever as a game, same everything. The only difference as game was that it didn't include Q3 community-made maps.
= In the end Q4 can be perfectly described as having Q2's single player and Q3's multi player.

With that said gameplay-wise in multiplayer Q4's main mistake precisely was that it was too similar to Q3. The idea of a sequel is to release something new, not a copy. Compare QW to its direct sequel, Q3: gameplay and stylistically wise they are different, but a clear sequel nonetheless.. Furthermore, the game had some technical issues that made the game not feel right, such as 60fps and weird models, ending up in that Q4 not only was a Q3 clone, but a worse game than what it copied.

Finally and about upcoming games that are inspired on Q3, Q3 has been re-released many, many times over and in every single time of those it has failed, whether on expansions, ports, homages (Q4), a server browser inside an internet browser, newer consoles, etc. Actually the same goes about "quake clones" too: all have failed miserably. What's needed is a new game altogether (different franchise), or one that is based on Q1, but not a 15 years old game over and over again, just like you don't release super mario world over and over again, as great as it is.

And if you are thinking about cs:go, dota2 and many others that are reviving old franchises.....you are dead wrong. Those are practically entirely new games, in every possible way and with many, many, many additions, that make them size-ably different. Plus it has to be said that those wouldn't be welcomed by the 'hardcore quake3-only' crowd.

Q4 had no swag, Q2 had no swag, Q3 had a lot of swag.

So had QW.

I think it's high time to give that game a shot, hopefully not in just re-releasing it (like QL) but in making a whole new game with that artistic style, maybe even bringing Romero back.

Or even better, sell the rights to someone else, like they did with Wolfenstein.

i think we all should accept that q3/ql is the best there is and there will never be another because it is perfect. ^^ i even doubt that reborn can change this, even though i believe that it will occupy its space. but q3/ql is hardcore, minimalistic, its pure violence on many different levels and that is the deciding factor. i cant think of any better game, but maybe i havent dove enough into this topic. :)

You forget that people with pro get pro for cheaper price. And considering that premium is unpopular and there's much more people with pro than premium, it's very questionable that they actually get more money from existing subscriptions rather than less.

yawn

Well, exactly. Boring complaints that make no sense at all.

yaaaaaaaaawn (awaiting worthy topic)

What you expect? Your criticism is lame and you can't even think of what to respond to a counter-argument. By replying "yawn" every time, you just being helpless.

clearly i responded to ihve very thoroughly but thats because he actually made a discussion of it. you are just throwing around insults like a 12 year old which is a waste of my time bud :)

you fit in perfectly with my previous post "you do not posses the level of intelligence to comprehend"

so until you actually bring up something worth discussing or at the very least stop acting like an attention starved child: yawnnnn

Attention starved child. Good one, mr. Yawn.

fite me at lan kid ill smash that mouth right quick

Sad.

I wanted to buy 1 year Premium, like before. I don't need server-spawning. Which is great, since I have to pay almost 2 times more now, considering I'm in EUR-zone.

Ridiculous. Way to go to lose subscribers.

gg no re

Give me PayPal I can give you ten euro so you can shut up

Well, it's stupid as I too intended to buy premium and I don't need server spawning so actually I would pay two times more too. Not that it's that much, but kinda feels like I am reaped(read as: raped). :D

Edit: before the hate - I had been both premium and pro subscriber before. ;)

Yea you're totally right, but I just can't stand people complaining that they now have to pay soooo much more.

It's 12,11€ more. That's about a euro a month. You can't tell me you don't have a euro a month more leftover for quake... Hell I lose so much in change each month because my pockets have holes in them..

it's not about having the money but being willing to spend more for what some people (me included) see as an overpriced, half cooked, advertised as a free to play 15 years old game. I for one am sick of entitled people telling others that care for the value their getting to shut up just because 'who cares about so little money'. and so what 'it's for quake'. quake is not a charity but a business that has to give back value for the cost it's putting on the customers. and if someone has to pay twice as much for the same sub par service I'm not surprised it doesn't seat well. especially in the time when even this little ammount of money (that also adds up but that's another argument) can be well spent elsewhere for complete, satisfying experience. you don't care about your money or think you're getting your money's worth of value? great! but don't tell others to shut up just because they don't.

Well I get the point. But its one fucking euro difference. If he would've complained about that premium/pro in general is shit and not worth the money, fair point. But complaining about 1euro is just really unnecessary and makes you seem awfully tight.

one fucking euro can be all the difference there needs to be. I prefer to appear up tight but respect my money and what it pays for than throw my cash around and smirk 'it's just 1eur lol poor fagget shut the fuck up and pay, it's for quake you know, I lose more money on the street! here poor person I'll throw some money around to show how little I care!'. this is exactly the attitude that makes games developers (not exclusively obviously) think they can charge outlandish prices for shitty products they offer. people like you in the forums and comments sections laughing out people concerned about what they're paying for and how much.

Well while I don't think QL is particularly throwing stuff at us for our money, it is still an OK price. 3 EUR a month is NOT MUCH. If you think so you better go back to play board games or so they don't cost monthly.

ye but that's not what you said. I pay for subscription even though i think i should be getting more for my money and that's ok. people don't want to pay for the upgrade they don't need (and would need even less if it wasn't for said ransom payment model) and i get it as well. and for the record do i think quake is worth 3 bucks a month in general? fuck yeah i do! but when you take a look around, see all new games for dirt cheap or even completely free to play and then remember all the shit quake customers have to endure it's difficult not to get a little weary.

If nymphets his "2 times more" is fairly accurate... then actually it's a fucking 100% increase.
Say that the rent, or your interrest on your mortgage suddenly increased 100%... You'd be unstoppable in your critism of how this world is going to hell.

I'm with kozoil here.... ID is ripping people off while disguising it as a price decrease.

It's not exactly what i meant. terms of use and prices of things change all the time upwards as well. what I'm saying is: I understand people who are concerned about their price increase no matter how puny it may seam. I kinda see the entire business model ql is using atm as a ripoff of sorts (holding maps of all things as a ransom) and I don't think the price they're asking is fair to begin with, but this exact subscription decision I'm all for. 1. because for lots of people it means an actual lowering of the price they pay 2. because it simplifies the charging model and brings the community split forced by it one step to being removed someday hopefully.

imo it's rediculous that they 'force current premium users' to choose between either paying more for stuff they didn't want.... or to stop paying and get less than they want.
And, because of the choice current users have to make, it's even more rediculous that they tell the community that it's a price cut.

I'm all for a single subscription as well. But the way of doing it like this.... makes me think that people are idiots.

Either those at ID who really think that this is a price cut, or those in this thread who believe it.

I think the price is fine for 1 year sub.
It's less than any new game costs.
I play everyday year after year.
Single player games are lucky if I even finish them lol.
Although I personally think the servers are garbage and feel like shit.... the price for running a server in ql vs renting a server in other games is far cheaper... just the servers are shit and obviously limited server control... no ban lists ect ect....

If we look at things from a different perspective....
It's a 1999 game with no real updates... with a team of 2 people... working what seems to be less than minimal part time hrs per week (16 hrs/week in USA)....then yea its a rip off...lol

And i might add again all the shit i just payed $21 for 3 months pro ( a week before the switch)... which is now $11.99.... they're giving away for free... I could have bought a gram of sour D for that.... and i'd be much happier. I'd have my kill beep, and i could play any map... for free...

it's not a 100% increase. look at the link from inferno.

The premium for a year was 17.95 EUR. I know, I bought it. Now it costs 35.99, if I want to browse extended statistics or want to play on premium servers without invite.

NICE 2X MULTIPLIER ZENIFAG

Old premium was 24€ for a year

Got it for 17.95 in 2013 May.

It wasn't the normal price.
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...pring-Sale

Bought it as a token.

The point is you can't compare a discount to the regular price and say its 100% imcrease

Point is Zenimax still sucks some serious ass. Elaborately trying to desintegrate what little left of the community.

By asking less money from most of their customers.

Heh, most. Because they do charity. rofl

It's no the point of a company to do charity

Nobody claims that. There are other changes in the pipeline which should make this move beneficial.

Like?

Changes to simplify everything from playing to paying so that they can retain some of the new players exposed to QL thanks to Steam. They don't want QL to become yet another failed F2P MMOFPS on Steam; just being there is by no means a magic formula to success.

But obviously I can't say anything about the changes themselves. Nor do I know much anyway. I can't even tell you if it's gonna work since I can't read the future. All I can tell you is the intent and that id is gonna take the gamble for once.

I thought they all were trolling Kappa. For one I have never paid for QL and probably never will, since they really haven't added anything in all these years (plus money goes into thehunter.com. Can't hunt bears in dm6).

I want 10 euros too. If you're srs request my paypal

Nah you didn't complain enough

pm'd you my details

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OMG HERES 10 BUCKS YE POOR FAGET LOLOLO I SHOVE UP MORE CHANGE INTO MY ASS DAILY SO MY BUTT HURT VERY MUCH HUEHUE

Way to be an ignorant fucktard.

Yeah it's pretty clear who is but hurt about their money here

Don't shove it up so much, then it won't hurt.






Or use 500 EUR banknotes.

Same with me, I don't care about pro and I was buying premium tokens all the time and now I can't get any. Can ID add me to the old premium subscription please?

Not gonna pay +100€ for this game until ID starts showing they're sensible and to respect their customers. :E

This in fact.
I am no poor and money is not a problem. ;)

However the principle is still questionable due the argument you said:)

(since i'm addicted I will still pay tho :/)

well have fun with warsow

I like the 12 for quarterly price point, seems sensible.

So i want to upgrade to Pro from Premium, why im not getting any discount ? (my premium expires on day 30 btw)

I think it's doing something like that :

(ProPricePerDayForWhateverDurationYouChose - PremiumPricePerDayForYourPreviousSub)*30 + ProPricePerDayForWhateverDurationYouChose*(WhateverDurationYouChose-30)

...so it won't account for much for only 30 days if you're taking a full year sub.