I don't think those games play anything alike, so my advice would be to have two distinct setups that won't trick your brain with habits from one game to the other and vice versa. But if you're hellbent on the idea only thing I can think of is: get rid of accel, get a ruler etc. But even then it might not feel the same just like cnq3 doesn't feel exactly like ql lets say even when both have raw input.

edit: 1.5 sens @ 400dpi my oh my

Whats bad about that sens?


Also i found this thread just now. http://ozfortress.com/showthread.php?s=c83ae2...amp;page=4

I dled a script that does exactly what I need (so far I tested it on QL and on CS:GO)

Its an outside thing. U need to disable accel ingame and the script provides u with accel AND offset with senscap (its based on QL's accel, so it feels like it should). The thingy is there, just scroll down abit to post #100.

EDIT: Works well on CNQ3.

EDIT 2: Works on QW (ezquake-gl) aswell. Seems kinda weird I think, but thats probably my brain pulling a fast one on me.

Ah you found me on ozfortress! I posted that GlovePIE script on esr too. But if you keep going further into that thread you'll see something else I've been working on. I've been meaning to make a thread here but never got around to it.

http://accel.drok-radnik.com/

This is an upper filter driver for mice that implements QL's accel variables at the driver level.

It also includes an option for correcting sensor angle, which I noticed has been discussed here a few times.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2074954/softwar...se-sensor/
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2410040
I too missed this feature from the old logitech mouseware drivers from the ball mouse days.

Heres the downsides
- Requires windows vista or up
- 64bit requires test mode and DSEO to sign the driver, since I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a code signing certificate.

That 2nd point has given me a lot of headaches trying to troubleshoot people through the process since apparently it is difficult for some users. I have linked a youtube video in the readme where I do the whole process from start to end. If you can make a WMO work at 500hz on 64bit windows, this will be a piece of cake.

Haha that coincidence. Well, im too tired to actually do anything else about renewing the script. And also, It works perfectly, its fine. So i dont think I need to update it. Also I use a KANA.

Tl;dr im fine with it atm :D THANKS for this amazing script.

Although the framerate is what puzzles me. its to be set to the mouse's polling rate right?

EDIT: Also, the sens in the script should be the same as ingame right?

yes to both

Well I didn't mean to say it's bad, just extreme. But honestly, why do you want them to be the same? I bet your fov's are different too.

Well the fovs in quake are the same. And the reason I want to keep it the same is because I variate inbetween those games alot. And I used to play cpma without accel with that sens when I had the DA. Doing the cpm22 ra stairjump was impossible because there was no more space on the sk edition qck. I was ok with it but there was a problem.
The mousefeet would deteriorate in weeks. As for nowadays I think that the sens is kinda too high and too low atm. For aiming rail I want lower sens but for lg tracking id want higher.

DPI: 400 Sens: 1.5.
And I used to play cpma without accel with that sens when I had the DA.

mewtwo? :D

It took me 3 days to finally come around to ask you this:

"mewtwo"? :D wtf does that mean? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlqJlUqz-hA

But that's my point. Those games are so different you don't need the same sens. For instance you can play CPM with just about any sensitivity but accel is not recommended, QL you can play with high sens but it gives you absolutely no advantage so you might as well go for low sens+accel. Even defrag cpm differs so much from frag cpm that I don't understand why you want to match that sens in CS:GO. I mean you could probably play that with 90cm/360. If I were you I'd up the sens in cpma and ditch the accel because the game is not meant to be played that way. Even mew and gaiia who have 55cm/360+ don't use accel and well gaiia is an exceptional player to be able to play the way he does with that low of a sens. But if you don't have his mouse control you should definitely bring it down to atleast 40cm/360 because imo mobility is far more important than 5 percent more @ lg and rail. CS:GO on the other hand I don't imagine is anything like cpm so go nuts with it - do 90cm/360. To reiterate: your sensitivity defines your style of play and when you can't play the same style in different games just don't bother with sensitivities.

well. QL and CS:GO sens suits me properly. I mean i kinda aim very similair there. For CPMA its also same'ish. I can somehow move properly in it without fuckking up. As for defrag, i totally agree that accel there is bull.. I didnt play defrag for a while now so i cant say how it fells but i most def can see that its wrong there. :D See, my point is it gets very tiresome after a bit of playing. And i cant go high sens because im not a surgeon. :D

I can feel your sens is dictating your playstyle in cpm. You're lg/rg heavy and not very mobile, yes? Sure it's one of the styles in the game but you should be able to play the same way with 40cm/360 without being a surgeon. My advice to you regarding cpm is: try 15cm/360. It's a completely different style of aim which relies on using your fast sens to reposition faster midfight and basically aim with the fastswitch instead of the mouse, if you understand what I mean.

im mobile. I always used to take pride in the fact that i could move. Ofc that desintegrated a bit when i had accel, but i still feel that it accel does not hinder my movement in cpma and stuff.

I think we may have a misunderstanding. When I say being mobile I mean something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i77n9zMkU3c

Yeah I understood that. But I still think that this is possible. Its jus that u have to get those values right. U know HAL, what cm/360 he uses? like 20-30 right?

It's about 23cm/360 and I don't think you can replicate that with accel@60cm/360. Even if you manage to build up the muscle memory for all the turns on a certain map you'll still lack the consistency in flickshots which is what that playstyle requires. The thing is when you mess up one turn you'll be standing still for like a second which is huge in cpm.

Oh and I think m_limit is the equivalent of senscap in cnq3.

But thats insane. I mean seriously, you cannot flick that precise. Also LG is impossible at those sensitivities.

Sure you can flick precise(have you not seen dorftrottel and the odyssey?), you just gotta be on form. Now I don't mean flicking every single rail, but if you're mid to close range and your enemy is up to 90 degrees away from your crosshair you can hit with the same accuracy you do regular rails.

And yes, tracking with LG is pretty useless, but you just use it as a guideline between rockets and rails. Keep in mind LG is not meant to be a tier1 weapon in CPM.

Ofc i've seen them movies. Loved it. But those movies are a \collection of frags, which doesnt mean that you are super consistent with those flicks. I'll leave CPMA alone for now, since something happened to keks servers. But i cant go that high sens for QL because i still need LG.

I don't know if keks servers are coming back :(. And ofcourse 15cm/360 in ql is a little retarded(aka ins :D).

rofl. What happened to keks? Yeah, but at this point i feel that the whole point of this thread is being forgotten. I mean, we strayed from superawesomemegaharosh sens in ALL games to random huge difference sensitivities in games.

no idea

I only know they're offline

Well, they were off the IRC alias list so I assume that they were purposely shut down/funding went out. but ok, I what cm/360 u use in QL ? And are you depending on LG that much?

21cm/360 with some accel atm

dunno if I am good enough if with it to depend on it but I do use it a lot

WITH accel? In ql? man how do you even LG?

not very well? :D

lol. And how's that working out for ya?: D

Also, i just tried 40ish cm/360 in ql. its surgeon mode. :D its fast. I dont even dare do 15 cm/360. atleast not in ql.

If I were you I'd up the sens in cpma and ditch the accel because the game is not meant to be played that way

could you explain why? more consistency in movements? cpm noobie here

In a word - movement. Accel is a no-no because you have to be able to do consistent CJ's and DJ's as well as use aircontrol to make sharp turns. Where cpm has flow vq3/ql is just stop-n-go and you can afford to have low sens and accel and just reposition your mouse constantly. Oh and there's a lot more flicking in cpm so you need to be consistent there too. That's the case for accel. Technically you can play with low sens and no accel but you just won't be as sharp off the line or be able to dodge using aircontrol and you will get tired a lot faster.

Well, enjoy wrist injuries in a few years.

Why thank you.

Play in moderation.

GL

You are right that only QL (to my knowledge) has an 'offset' variable.

Source engine games (CS:GO) should have m_customaccel_max which functions the same as cl_mousesenscap, but the rest of the source engine accel variables are frametime dependent. As well as that, you can't set m_pitch to anything other than -0.022 or 0.022 so you would have to do some math and calculate a higher sens and lower yaw to get the same feel. There is unfortunately no equivalent to offset.

Since CPM can run on any 3rd party q3 engine mod, maybe some clever engine guy can add these QL accel options into their build.

Im horrible at math, believe me. But I can do without the m_pitch, or atleast survive for now. its not very neccesary there for me.

I have tried to do this many times, but in the end gave up. I just play without accel in all games except quake. That keeps the feeling different enough so that it doesn't confuse my brain.

for some reason it's harder to use high sense in quake than other games, so a little lower than usual seems to work. Also, as others already said, if you would like consistency, don't use accel.

one sense to pwn them all

everytime i play a new game i never really think about it, just try a sens until it feels comfortable, which can either be really close to the one you use in your main game or a completely new game which will adapt to how fast/precise you'll need to be with the mouse in the new game :f

So, youre saying that having a consistent sensitivity for my muscle memory in all games is a bad idea? :<

I think muscle memory (particularly regarding sensitivity) is way overrated. There's no reason you can't have a 90+cm/360 (like I do) in CS:GO (where you're often not turning quickly) and a 40cm/360 in CPM/QL, where you're obviously looking around much more often.

but 40cm/360 is too fast. its impossible to lg :<

considering the fov/resolution will most likely change between all those games (not too mention the mouse movements you'll be doing are very different in all the games) i wouldn't say it's a bad idea, just very irrelevant

CS/QL mouse movements are relatively the same. its just that in cs u need more precision, other than that u can use flicks to y'know.. turn and stuff. U can do that in cpma as well, but then ofc the movement suffers. idk, Ive been fiddling around with sens without accel and i found that even 45 CM/360 is too fast. I mean lg is just impossible :<

dafuq? anything over 35 cm is too slow!

ur insane. hence the nickname :D I wouldnt feel the need for the accel with 60cm/360 if the mousefeet wouldnt dissappear and the hand wouldnt get tired and sore from the friction on the mousepad.

If cl_mouseAccelOffset is 5, and cl_mousesenscap is 5... is there still accel?

yes. theres accel.

Isn't accelOffset when to turn on the accel, and senscap is for sure when to stop it at. Or am I misunderstanding accelOffset here?

Ye. Thats how it works as far as I know. What I get is, low sens in aim and stuff, and when i turn/flick fast enough I get a certain ammount of accel, in this instance sensitivity 5 for my turns. :D