It will have support for 3D TVs and head mounted VR displays. At first I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this virtual boy like looking device, but it actually seems pretty awesome. I guess this is as immersive as it could get right now.

Youtube video

Reminds me a bit of this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw&feature=plcp
... but actually in a REAL game. And without a TV.

... This is what id is wasting their time on these days?

shitty game remastered to be more shitty in 3d ?

some comments in neogaf are priceless

I'm gonna buy it for ps3

"BFG Edition will include the base game and the Resurrection of Evil expansion pack content, in addition to seven new single-player levels being branded as "The Lost Mission." The package will also include copies of the first two Doom games as an added bonus."

Are you seriously going to play Doom with a controller?

that's one of the few things id software (rather Carmack himself) gets right. Also I'll probably buy the head mount thing since I like gaming peripherals/accessories

If its the Sony one it costs about £800 but is meant to be quite good

Most people never played the Expansion pack with the THREEWAVE CTF maps.

Underated game, has its problems, but had its potential too, that sadly never really caught on.
This is worth buying just for the graphics, even by todays standards, I reckon some of the visuals will be impressive as the style is pretty much unmatched and they did add a gravity gun and some other things.

If you're a graphics whore with a thing for the darkside it could be worth a look.

Either you haven't played it in a long time, or you haven't played anything modern. The graphics are quite dated.

Let me chime in by saying you're both absolutely wrong. You're welcome.

Imply everything, define nothing.

Read again what I said...

"If you're a graphics whore with a thing for the darkside it could be worth a look"

Thre are not many games out there with that style of graphics in that genre that can match the attention to detail id put into Doom 3 and the ROE expansion.

"If you're a graphics whore ..."

If you're a graphics whore, you would not be interested in Doom 3.

I'm a graphics whore, I run BF3 and Crysis 2 on highest settings. I just played Doom 3 co-op (Last man standing mod) with my friend and surprisingly the game still looks really good imo.

The game has really unique atmosphere something newer games don't have. I just love those moving shadows and all the darkness lol.

Yeah, doom 3 has a great atmosphere. Too bad the gameplay is more jump-scares than actual scary-ness.

I agree, that shit gets boring fast when I'm playing alone but for some reason co-op campaign isn't as boring.

Then you are not a graphics whore.

Yes he is, you just don't get what is being said, as you have proven here.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2266656/#pid2266656

And here

http://www.esreality.com/post/2266745/#pid2266745

Every time you have replied you have refused to acknowledge people are complimentrary to the graphics of doom 3 in relation to the STYLE+ATMOSPHERE. Which means you do not know all the factors that makes good graphics or you've not seen half the environments in doom 3 and ROE. Or you're just trying to disagree on oppotunistic circumstances by missing out the key points of their sentences and replying to half of what they actually said<<. A combination of all 3 in your case.

You avoided it with me, and you avoided it with him when he said...

"The game has really unique atmosphere something newer games don't have. I just love those moving shadows and all the darkness lol. "

now, I know you love nothing more than telling people the things they think are good are bad, I understand this is probably related to an undiagnosed mental condition like depression or something, but it doesn't work.

You've done it too many times and you've been figured out long ago.

I see, so you're trying to redefine 'graphics whore', in order to try to save you from some embarrassment. This isn't a big deal, or an attack on your honor. You're wrong. Deal with it.

I'm not re-defining anything, I have shown you for what you are.
Wrong.

I said from day one...

"If you're a graphics whore with a thing for the darkside it could be worth a look. "

I also said..

"I reckon some of the visuals will be impressive as the style is pretty much unmatched"

Even the other guy citied the all important word of style/atmosphere.

You only had a "point" becuase you choose to read half of what I said, you missed out the key ingredient as to what people said made them say what they did (STYLE+ATMOSPHERE), then when that was pointed out you tried your usual tired routine of them trying to change their minds when it was you that was incapable of reading what was said to begin with and when you were made aware of that flawed nature of yours, you then tried to imply it was someone else fault when it was you all along.

You're trying to, because you're so offended that I corrected you. I can't tell if it's just your usual panic for your image, or your fanboy love for Doom 3.

You've not corrected anything.

It was I that pointed out your incomplete replies. Anyone just needs to read through it.

We've already seen you hide behind this pathatalogical front even when the person you said something you wanted them to say said the opposite.

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf

You're a lost cause, but I would not have it any other way for you:).

This just goes to show how even the smallest correction of your errors will send you in to a psychological breakdown.

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf

And that just goes to show that even when you're wrong, your personality disorder will try and twist everything around so that everyone else is wrong and you're right.

You kick scratch and bite all you want. Its done. That defines you now.

Even for such a benign mistake on your part, you still have to go full retard. I wonder just how small something has to be to trigger your dementia.

Dementia?

Rich coming from the guy who left us these delights into his mental prowess....

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2012/8540...s-coll.swf

I would say Dementia is the least of your looming conditions....

That seems to have struck a nerve with you. Did I reveal your secret?

The only thing you revealed was you lie and misrepresent people and it appears you're living up to your reputation once again of talking about implications of revealing secrets that only exist in your head or to provide you an opportunity to talk about something else after my simple and elegant insight into how you operate.

Lie? I was more making an analogy, and you took grave offense to it. Clearly, this hurts you where you live.

You should try simply saying what you mean instead of making analogies that no one else gets.

Why wouldn't anyone get it? You exhibit symptoms akin to dementia.

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2012/8540...s-coll.swf

And you've exibited signs of someone WITH ACTUAL DEMENTIA, which means I'm afraid no one can be sure that your memory of the symptoms of dementia are fully in tact as you've already proven yourself to be unrealible in the area of memory...

Its all there in those .swf's. Order of hierachy I'm afraid.

I see. So you also believe that repeating what I say with different words is somehow going to change the fact that you exhibit symptoms of dementia? This seems to rage you more than the usual analysis of your mental issues, so it's a safe bet that I've hit the jackpot.

No,

I'm saying that becuase you've already been proven as someone with signs of dementia (those .swf's are from 2010/2011)), you're not in a mental or credible state to cast judgment onto others on such matters as you've already been proven as unrealiable in this area of memory, and not only that, but you've been proven as someone who can't even deny he's wrong when he has been wrong.

Which you're doing now, once again.

It's funny that you've never mentioned dementia before. Not once. Yet, when I brought it up, you not only got extremely defensive, but you tried to repeat it back to me. Why so defensive?

Simple...

I'm pretty sure if you accuse someone of having a degerative mental condition, they will defend themselves. I only repeat myself becuase you choose not to read the parts that you do not want to. ironically, in both cases, its you being totally unaware of yourself that results in the responses.

Secondly, I had already shown you have issues with memory.

Here is you dispalying that in 2010.

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2012/8540...s-coll.swf

Here is you displaying that in 2011.

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf

And given you've already forgotten that in 2012, I'm guessing things have not gotten any better for you.

So becaue we are in year 2012, and you have already been exposed as having the memory issues stemming from the condition you are projecting onto others, it has no effect other than me trying to remind you and others of the problems you've had in the past.

I hope that has cleared things up for your selective memory...
At least until you forget again.

You always defend yourself when accused of mental issues, but never quite like this. What is it about dementia that rustles your jimmies so much?

Your attempts at trying to regain control of the sitauion are futile.

You started out with such high hopes even attempting to be on topic and as usual, once you were knocked into submission with cold hard points that you could not evolve in the one area of your life you felt comfy and informed in, you regressed to your normal state of becoming unresponsive and dysfunctional like a child.

Don't ever change...

Regain control of what? I've insulted your intelligence and mental state many times, but I've never seen you so flustered. Either I've just found your secret, or your state assistance is late.

Anyone can insult anyone, few can carry it off.

You fail to carry it off as you come across as angry, petty, childish, before anything else, and so your insults seem more like an inevitability which reflects your frustration more than you actually meaning what you say.

So when you "insult" people its more to do with you reaching the end of you tether and its a defence mechanism. People get that that about you.

You tried so hard to make a point here didn't you, and its always the same, once your ass is kicked on the topic you go through your laughable repertoire of 8th grade psychology.

When you have stopped even trying to defend your positions, I point out the silliness of your deflection. When you begin to babble, and forget your own arguments, I point out your mental state. I can almost hear the gears turning from here.

You've already lost the argument via a series of points that all add up to a loss for you....

Let us remind you....

"A graphics whore is someone who holds games to the standards of the best graphics available. " -Vedic

REALITY

wikipedia said you were wrong.

urban dictionary said you were wrong.

At least 3 people in this thread told you different which is ultimately a subjective matter anyway. Its just you're unable to accept opinions different to yours.

And you've proven time after time as someone who is wrong on much simpler issues which require nothing more than simply repeating what someone has said.

And you've proven yourself as someone who spam's threads with pointless comments WHEN he can no longer evolve his point on a forum he set out to be a part of...

http://picturepush.com/public/8449816

You've already been blueprinted a long time ago and you're going right to plan!

There is no strict definition, but none of the definitions that you have attempted to push are in any way viable to make any sort of distinction. Most especially, none of them match up with the way that people actually use the term. 3 people in this thread have pointed out that they are graphics whores, while simultaneously pointing out that they don't really care about graphics. It's like saying that you're a libertarian, but that you still want to limit freedom. You might as well say that you're an artist, because you draw stick figures. Hey, it's a type of art, right? No need for any real distinction.

Ah yes I forgot you do that thing where you only state part of the quote to give you an angle to disagree on cos you would not have anything to say otherwise.

READ
ONE
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TIME

"If you're a graphics whore with a thing for the darkside[ it could be worth a look"

Now try and focus on the word COULD and also try and focus on the fact that I said the graphics are good IF you like that kind of style i.e. satantic/hell ish stuff.

Its always been hilarious and slightly psycotic on how you'll partially read what people say and extract the bit that gives you the opportunity to reply in the fashion you want.

At no point would DOOM 3's graphics ever be the selling point to a graphics whore, so there was no need in pointing that part out. Liking satanic/hell stuff doesn't make you a graphics whore, it makes you a fan of satanic/hell stuff.

"Liking satanic/hell stuff doesn't make you a graphics whore, it makes you a fan of satanic/hell stuff. "

no, because the graphics would still need to be of a high quality for it to work and engage a player.

That means high level of geometry, bump maps, specular maps, lighting. All of which Doom 3 still has and many of the next gen techniques in graphics are incremental compared to what carmack did with the doom 3 engine at that time.

Things like depth of field, soft shadows do no matter in a game like doom 3 becuase its so dark and that's well suited to the satanic/hell stuff, if anything, the atmosphere is increased by the hard shadows and eerie goings out whether it be technically inferior or not.

You're talking about raw tech and leaving out atmosphere.

I could import a satanic/hell section of a doom 3 into a cutting edge game engine and I guarantee it would not look more than 20 % better.

I could then import a section from Fear that uses more real world environments and locations and the jump would be HUGE +50% between engines becuase it can't hide behind the darkness.

But the hell satantic stuff is in its prime when its dark and errie, that's why it would satisfy a graphics whore WHOSE INTO A PARTICULAR STYLE AND DEMANDS A CERTAIN STANDARD AT THE SAME TIME that you seldom see in todays mass market games.

no, because the graphics would still need to be of a high quality for it to work and engage a player.

Which they aren't - hence why it would not appeal to a graphics whore.

They are because there are two people here who say they are engaged by it , secondly, art is one of the few subjective things on the planet so your opinion on the matter is wasted anyway.

They are because there are two people here who say they are engaged by it

Which means that they are engaged by it, and that they are obviously not graphics whores.

Good Art is subjective, end of story and modern day games including doom 3 as set the benchmark many of them aspired to be is defintely that.

having seen some of the interior sections of things like colonial marines, they hardly look any better than Doom 3 was 8 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBXfZWIG3ks

Anyone who plays a game primarily for the graphics, is a graphics whore, it can also be argued that anyone who claims to be a graphics whore in the world of videogames is not, because they would only be into film cgi if that were they were that dedicated to just visuals.

Good Art is subjective

Which has nothing to do with a graphics whore.

A graphics whore is someone who plays something to expereince the graphics more than anything else.

You were the one implying Doom 3 is not of high enough quality for someone to define themselves as a graphics whore.

Comment #17

"Then you are not a graphics whore"

I pointed out that how people perceive graphics is subjective, which means you have no place for talking on their behalf on what they define as good graphics, had you got that you would not be telling people they are not a graphics whores based on your own opinion of art.

Quite simple really....

I pointed out that how people perceive graphics is subjective, which means you have no place for talking on their behalf on what they define as good graphics

In which case, you've added absolutely nothing to the discussion. You're just trying to redefine it to mean "EVERYONE, I GUESS", in order to justify your original mistake. It doesn't. A graphics whore is someone who holds games to the standards of the best graphics available.

I have not changed anything, a graphics whore is NOT someone who holds games to the be best graphics available, its someone who is able to play a game based on nothing more than the visual impact it has on them, while this is almost always high quality visuals-it can be theme based aswell, the fact that doom 3 looks similar to comparable sections in the upcoming colonial marines and crysis 3 shows the game still does that.

This has already been highlighted to you by...

A) Several people saying so here.

B) A wikipedia entry....

"A fan of computer graphics; one who favours good graphics over pure gameplay value."

C) Several urban Dictionary Entries...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=graphics%20whore

"One who, in video games, values graphics above all and ignores all other aspects of the game."

"Basically someone who likes the video game for the graphics, not the gameplay."

Seems to me you're doing that thing again where you're trying to force your view on the world...

None of those entries or people here are telling you they are solely motivated by the best possible graphics.

I have not changed anything, a graphics whore is NOT someone who holds games to the be best graphics available, its someone who is able to play a game based on nothing more than the visual impact it has on them

Then you can call every single person in the world a graphics whore, and you've completely eliminated any need for a distinction to begin with.

None of those entries or people here are telling you they are solely motivated by the best possible graphics.

Your own misunderstanding combined with urban dictionary does not make an argument. Again, if you're trying to make the distinction that someone only cares for graphics, and you define it as "any graphics ever", then you have successfully creates a description of no value, and you have eliminated your own reasons for using it - other than a buzz word to try to make something look more impressive than it really is.

Why do you lie all the time and make is so easy to disprove you? Its all there above, I don't even have to evolve my point anymore, just link you to the previous posts where you've had a memory bypass becuase the points countered what you said and you don't seem to have the bus fare to counter it?

"Then you can call every single person in the world a graphics whore, and you've completely eliminated any need for a distinction to begin with."

Errr, no I do not-you won't find a bigger forum where people play their games in ugly mode. Not everyone will play a game based on nothing but the quality of the graphics alone. A graphics whore will, most people need the gameplay to go with it. I had clearly stated this above, why do you try and pretend people have not countered your points when they have? Its embarrassing...

Your own misunderstanding combined with urban dictionary does not make an argument.

You forgot the wikipedia entry and several other people here telling you so, not to mention everytime you "evolve" your point its laughably easy to disprove often by referring you to the previous post you do not even read, that's more than than some random unknown whose already proven to be unrealiable with even basic things in relation to the game industry.

Not everyone will play a game based on nothing but the quality of the graphics alone.

Since you are defining the graphics as "any graphics", then you can place someone in such a distinction for ANY game. You have added nothing to the discussion.

You did that thing where you missed out key info again....

"Not everyone will play a game based on nothing but the quality of the graphics alone. A graphics whore will, most people need the gameplay to go with it."

Like I said, I'm not even needing to evolve my point anymore, just expose the repeated times you miss out the points I have already successfully countered.

I ignored the pointless bits. Reposting it won't make it any less useless.

To you no, but it will expose what a waste of time you are and that's very useful as it saves time in the future.

Just look how useful those .swf's have been in encapsualting you?
http://www.esreality.com/post/2270740/#pid2270740

Maybe you're forgetting something again, cos you've certainly not put out a better point than I have. All you've told me is I am wrong, and made a joke of yourself of quoting half sections of posts because reading the full content of them will force you to evolve a point you can't make.

So this is all useful.

To you no

Anybody, really.

Read through that tit-for-tat -- I'm basically agreeing with Jam by saying anybody playing Doom3 NOW is pretty much a graphics whore since the game isn't that challenging and tons of other current games are.
Hell, I've booted up Doom3 several times in the past year for just that uniquely id-designed blend of eerie map design and pitch(black)perfect graphics. I guess in regards to Doom3, I a total whore for sure :)

Oops vedic, that's now more people + wikipedia, + Urban dictionary and all you have is you missing out key sections of the points you don't want people to evolve so you still have something to say...

as a matter of fact, that was the mapper's merit pretty much alone

they have been working on textures 50-50, half of the textures are shit, with most of the better textures only for player model
see girders textures, all door textures, crates, and a lot of textures remained low res, even on higher settings, because they just decided to scale some crappy low detail textures
and there was the lack of shaders, etc etc

doom3 remains in my opinion an unfinished game (work done just abt 10%)

Also tempted to buy it. I enjoyed my playthrough some years ago, even though it was a bit too long. Really want to play the mission pack!

So, let me take a free stab at id :

Coming from another company, we'd just think they're trying to hype their next game.
From id ? They're trying to remind/tell people who the fuck they actually are and pray it'll help to get their next game hyped up .

sure. its helps with two things. its enhances the companys image. id has a backcatalogue and bethesda want to sell something. on the other hand, nothing wrong with that, i could buy it or not, its my decision.

i have to say this is an awesome trailer, it makes me wanna play d3 again although i didnt even manage to finish it when it came out because it was so repetitive.

i imagine quite a few console noobs will buy this. marketing is a powerful thing indeed :]

First the Quake 4 re-release and now this. Just pathetic.

Rage was a huge flop so I'm sure id is being squeezed to make some money for Bethesda.

according to vgchartz Rage sold 2.3+ million units and that is without digital copies.

everyone who likes the genre most probably already had a go at doom, it was cool, really, but it became dull and boring very monothonous after a few maps.

the Hell levels and Resurrection of Evil addon were quite ok, but seriously.. this re-release is filler. make something new with Quake/Doom!

Maybe this is what they class as Doom 4 ?

I really enjoyed Doom3 SP back in the day, even bought a home theater to help the atmosphere. Solid graphics (no "suspension of disbelief" killer texture warping, like i have seen in lot of newer games), great sfx, loved it.

Loved DooM3 but its populated by about 5 ppl its dead as can be

It's a shame really because 1v1 is alot of fun on doom 3 if you can find a decent opponent. The chances of finding a decent game these days though are almost zero.

iD has been reselling/re-releasing doom and quake for years before Bethesda took over.

just saying.

It has doom 1 and 2 in the package, I know you can get it other ways (I already have them both on Xbox 360) but some new people will hopefully find them and love them.

If the "lost mission" is more like ROE than D3, I hope they release it on steam for PC.

Too bad it's not on PC. Too bad my computer can barely run vanilla D3 on lowest settings.

It is on pc too.

Might buy it to make up for the fact that I never bought D3. 1v1 us west anyone? :D

Reminds me of this

some more talk about VR headmount displays by Carmack

http://kotaku.com/5916210/carmack-being-carma...est-people

and more

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/06/john-carmac...ew-inside/

Doom 3 was amazing. It still looks like one of the best games out there after years. The monitor was enough to inmerse you in the darkness. Now with the VR technology Carmack is working on im totally buying to buy a copy to re-play it with the device, specially if it contains new levels. Afaik it goes out on PC too obviously, is not a console only release.

Im going to love the shit out of this if Carmack can pull it off accordingly. I wonder how it feels like. Would love a dynamic deep of field, meaning that the dept of field acts like the human eye, and not like on moderm games were it's kinda annoying (it works in relation to where you are pointing your crosshair at basically)

Will be kinda weird mixing the head movement with the mouse movement.. guess it will be a matter of getting used to it.