- BS is at 4x already, but many want no-splash-dmg back (i'm not sure if I would like to see that), quad at 4x would be ok prly
- armors: in tdm it's a huge thing if you got 150 armor and you will survive 2-3 guys unstacked players in one single fight, so maybe - no?

Qw tdm is awesome.. YES

-remove mg
-everyone spawns with a nailgun (the shitty ta/ql one)

problem solved.

everyone spawning with shotgun, so they must get close to do some damage, but going close = your ass dies from their shotgun also, which is a fresh spawn, so everyone will back the fuck up.

Make mg a pickup like sg instead.

:o

i guess "why?" would be a good question

inspired by this post:
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&...pid2004316

and the fact that a random mix team which as far as I know never played a match together before can put up a good fight vs ic (which is also kind of a mix team but has at least practiced 2 month or so):

Worth the read, brings back some nice memories :)

i mean like .. do you have any people to play it? Is TDM the same value anymore after people have seen team based games with 100x depth?

I mean sure, your ideas are good, but this will be like instaCTF and freezetag where so much energy went into achieving something stupid and worthless

50 mg yes, other than that no

I dont agree, 50 is nothing, for lower skilled players 50 would do nothing.

They can go and find a weapon then, rather than get away with spamming 100 bullets in the general direction of other players.

lol

lol at you, who thinks tdm needs bigger MG damage output, most retarded idea possible. That you actually want to balance the MG around people who can't aim it well at all, jesus christ as if MG wasn't a big enough problem already.

mg now is just useless... you have to hit more than 40% acc to deal some serious damage... thats stupid...

It isn't there to deal "serious" damage.

Its a spawngun you arent meant to be rewarded for dying

ur team is already punished by your death, as opponent gains points... dont see why u should be punished even more...

dont want mg to be ultimate weapon, but as i said you should be able to kill with it, without hitting high acc....

learn to aim and stfu. You died, you shouldn't be rewarded for dying.

ye, following this lets make all game modes sudden death... this would be ultimate punishment

A starting wep shouldn't be able to do shit unless you pull out some crazy aim or some crazy moves.
If you can't do that, don't die.

TBH I hate the MG, doesn't even look like a mg weapon barrel..

I think the ammo and damage is wrong, but ultimately I think it is the weapon itself that is the problem. Bring back the Q1 shotgun, it did some damage, but not enough to cess people. The skill with sg is more like a rail instant hit weapon, which means you have to aim, instead of random shooting like th QL MG.

You would definitely run away if you were against any higher weapons, not like in QL with the mg where you hope to kill mabe on your second spawn.

Lets be honest though QL is just a spam game with the current weapon balance.

mg is also partly to blame for newbies leaving the game quickly. It looks like a weapon would be able to kill your opponent with. But they wont.

Shotgun as starter is a solution even if i personally loath the gun.

hey umm, sorta off topic but i didn't know how else to message you. Have you tried the Slicksurf ultra thin skates? how do they compare to hyperglides?

i want an overview map in my hud with players as dots on it. something like ut2004 had so it would be better to spec tdm.

quad x4 = yes

I dont see how this will balance things up..

Spawn with less mg bullets to do much damage for a kill. Armor guys living longer, owning spawners with less health, and lower ammo count.

/me sees lots of gauntlets from spawners.

Quad x4 yes.

An idea would be for a drop ammo pack from Mg. I do think that drop a 25 health pack from a kill, would make some of the killing sprees even more possible. A quad run with 25 hp bubbles popping up all over the place might be quite funny :)

i think to get the game anything like QW tdm. Lots of things would been to be changed, and that would go agianst all the new implmentations of a q3 game, which took out RL domination. Did you take into account that RA was stronger in QW?

erm so according to you spawners surviving against armored opponents makes for balanced gameplay is it?

erm absolutely the opposite. I was tongue and cheeking the person I replied to. Basically saying how wrong it is that spawners have it easy in taking back an armored guy, who has worked bloody hard to get his weapon/position/armor, to be sessed by two mg spawners to death. rubbish imho.

QW shotgun (low damage but decent firingrate) is much better and far less cessy than the Q3 MG.

tdm need bigger mg dmg output, so u can actually kill someone with it, even with semi-decent aiming [30 acc]

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maybe you should watch some of the quakecon games, i find it funny ppl cryed about the 4 dmg mg when it changed....

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yes, that would be a good thing to do, nowadays, you meet 2 guys at distance with mg, and all armor gone in no time, makes it impossible to come back once a 20 ish frag difference has been set up.

what seems to be the problem with current form of the game is that once you have a decent frag buffer, constantly cessing is enough to prevent other team from a comeback, if they get too desperate then you get back on some items again and other teams good work is all gone, would like to have qw / cpm style armor that actually means something and lets you have the license to rape for a period of time.

i like the armor idea for tdm

If I had complete control over QL TDM, I would:

Replace the starting weapon with relatively weak, but fast firing shotgun (dno; 40 max dmg, high spread, 500ms reload time?)

Make the armors Red 150, Yellow 100, Green 50 with no armor or health tick-down.

1 Minute Quad for the down team to negate the now stronger armors.

As for the strength of the powerups I'm indifferent.

+ for removing health and armor count down from 100+. are we the only ones who feel this is just terrible in any competitive game mode?

IMO removing armor and health decay would probably cater a slower, sluggish style of play.

I also agree about the tick-down, added it to the first post.

- spawn with 100hp instead of 125

yes

- make armors stronger, 150/100/50 instead of 100/50/25

would rather see a 20%/10% damage reduction coming together with taking the armor

I think in the current state of QL 100 hp would make holding armors and positions more important.

When rail was higher damage output (Q3/QL) then 125 may have been more important.

4x yes ;]

how about lets play cpm tdm (or qw tdm altho ive never tried it).

Don't try it! You'd only get desperate when you realize how mind blowingly good it is, and that there's virtually noone to play against in NA :( I'm saving you from the torment to come!

Although someone is launching a 2on2 tournament in a month or so; http://qwsta.info/index.php

ive heard that cpm tdm is a piece of shit compared to osp tdm , is that right ? :D

i heard tdm is a piece of shit compared to ctf. is that right? :d

You are a piece of shit and I know that's right.

ctf > tdm

deal with it nerd

ye hows your american scene doing??

I have no clue, never tried it :(

This is my current state of affairs but I'm ridiculously shitty at QW but it still fun as fuck compared to any other quake i've ever played.

go back to ql beta settings. that was pure awesome aggressive epicness.

This cs clone is getting worse by the minut.

Standing @ rail all game on dm6 is aggressive ?:)

its spawning every 15 secs, and everyone else have guns rendering it less usefull. but whatever remove that zzzgun, its boring anyway.
and yes it was an epic fragfest. until the fags started with the constant tweaking of a perfectly enjoyable game..

lol

how was the ql beta ?

+forward piece of shit apparently.

q4 sounds like a good idea

get rid of the railgun until the first 2 minutes are up. replace MG with SG, boost MG damage by 1, lower ammo to 50, max 100. spawn MG where SG's are. remove SG ammo entirely (only 10 shots per life) and replace with MG ammo.

the MG has a place in the game. but in TDM, everyone spawning with it makes it too easy to cess your opponents down which is the problem we see when games have a seemingly small, yet actually insurmountable, frag difference.

after seeing some of the scores from quakecon, i think it's hopeless. Games are simply too one sided once a team gets control. Maybe introduce runes or some kind of combobreaker that allows the other team to get back in the action, but as it stands now, its' a dead game mode and i still can't believe they chose it over ctf this year.

What are you talking about son? First 2 maps of tdm finals was probably best tdm action ql ever had, if last map was dm14 you'd came rainbows.

It's ray. Don't try and talk sense to him.

Don't you have some homework to do kid?

School is for suckers.

good luck finding work then lol

Thanks.

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those are close games? surely you jest

Riiight, Quakecon games ended with >100 differences.

Surely you jest.

Was that team even supposed to have a chance against those teams?

I'm not saying QL TDM is good, but giving that as a bad example is just a bit over the top. :}

nigger

Typical fluff slacking off, and who doesnt rape france everytime ?;/

you can't seriously be this stupid.

the problem lies within the fact that railgun is as coveted as some armors for teams... a weapon should have value, but not that much. it's just too useful/powerful in every situation if given to an above average player.

You want to nerf RG even more?

i'd like to remove it huehueuhe

lets play qw!

While I agree that qw is one of the most awesome games ever created on this planet, this thread is about QL TDM:)

Bingo.

Remove railgun, increase moving speed, increase weapon damage across the board, increase rocket splash, add air control, remove footsteps, increase armor

simple! xD

Why don't you just play Clan Arena?

"weapon should have value, but not that much."

Why? There is absolutely nothing wrong with weapons as control items.

TDM is good as it is imo.

More quad damage + more armor + no tick down to 100
vs.
Less MG bullets + less HP to spawn with
results in:

Bigger frag differences. If one team is dominant then it will be more than rape.

Bigger frag differences. If one team is dominant then it will be more than rape.

Good.

Maybe let the clan leading score spawn with LG, RG and RL. And if frag difference > 100 the losing clan should spawn without MG. That would help your cause :D :D

It's not possible to come back from what you're describing now. It is possible with the ones you mentioned first.

Random idea. How about for every 5 frags the other team is in the lead the more powerful of a starting weapon you spawn with. So if score difference less than 5 you spawn with MG, score difference less than 10 you spawn with MG and PG, less than 15 you spawn with MG and LG etc.

sounds like mario kart.