nice, hopefully i will have time to play again this sunday

if i participate you will have least one win :>

shitty maplist..

Good maplist..

Best possible maplist there can be in QL atm.

ehm no, pt4 is a really good duel map..

yeah

and dm6 is not, so idd, shitty maplist :)

ye, dont get why they still play dm6, it wasnt even good from the start,,

t4 is horrible map to play and boring to watch.

That's because you're unintelligent. dm6 is a map for retarded infantile kids.

has nothing to do with my intelligence.

:l

nice, hopefully dm13 & dm6 will be replaced in 2010 :)

hopefully ztn will be replaced in 2009 ;)

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(making it a [+] for weird)

yeah, unless cooller is playing ztn is totally shit atleast from spectators point of view.. guys just backing, backing and railing 80%...

So maybe it's fault of players, not the map?

no, not really. You can never blame the players, they just do what they need to in order to win. Blame quake / maps.

rapha, noctis, dahang etc just use ztn's flaws as good as possible which makes it terrible for spectators.

so where on the agp site does it give more information ?

They are up. Internet halt.

why they removed the maps ? it's boring to play only dm6 & ztn ?

in all these cups i always remove ztn and dm6! dm13 is lot diferent from vq3, so its ok, and t7/t9 !!

I think, many people asked them to remove ca2, but they need odd number of maps in maplist, so they had to remove one more map and chose t4.
I don't understand why you say dm6&ztn are boring. There were a lot of very interesting matches on these maps in Dubai, for example.

lol? just sameold sameold on dm6 and ztn.

QL needs good maps so badly. :-/

I hope you wont allow AGP ranking points this week for the sake of fairness.

huh?
how would that be fair?
or maybe better... why would that be fair?

check the brackets again

well yes there were some easy rounds in there... and cooller pulled out I think.....
But really... I don't see how the outcome of a tournament (aka prize distribution) should be altered by how which people played.

You have a cup with prizes -> the ppl who get to a prize finish should recieve it ;)
(where in this context prize is also points)

And I'm not even saying this cuz I'm 3/4th... I'm just saying that you should recheck your definition of fair :S

Cuz what you're saying... is for example: with the new ESL setup (iem thingy I think it's called) that ppl with an easier group should just get less money if they qualify for the final / win games etc.
That's not making any sense imo

You make me laff. You obviously were happy to be in a tree that didnt meet any good player before like semifinals.

Had the dubai groups looked like:

group A: rapha noctis cypher cooller
group B: spammah smoke ali-nab dem0n (:D)

wouldnt you have said it is quite fair not to distribute agp points in this case ?

Let's see, there were 4 main branches at zotac. On the 3 first main branches you had: weird, guard, madix. On the last branch you had burnedd k1llsen strenx dem0n (:D)...

I mean look at the top2-4 man... get a grip.

I didn't even sign in to this cup for the 100€, cause I know my chances are very low to beat strenx, killsen and the likes, but I sure wanted to be top8 to get some AGP points.

I didn't do burnedd-like and ragequit the cup, I played my games until I got kickedout... but if the guys at zotac are fair enough and want to prove us all that they will find a way not to fuck up the up and coming zotac cups, they should remove the AGP points for this week.

if the dubai groups had looked like that. I'd prolly say that it was unfair towards the ppl in group A that group B was so weak.

But I would not ask ppl not to give out prizes.

And really I would also say this, if I had not gotten into the points myself....
But hey you seem to think I'm evil self-centered and egoistic :S

and ehh top half had cooller in it, but he quit cuz he didn't manage to play both the fnatic as the zotac cup at the same time ;(

My point remains though that even if the top4 weren't the best players in the tournament due to the tree... why should that affect prize distribution afterwards?

were not talking about prizes wtf, guard can have his 100 € he deserved it, he has beaten strenx anyway didnt he?

stop beeing so funneh :x

Youre not beeing fair at all. Cooller ? so that makes 4 good players divided into 3 branches, too bad it still doesnt match the 4 ones in one branch. And cooller isnt as impressive online as on lan, so he'd prolly lose to the online heros that strenx and killsen are... (and they're still top seeds considering they both won zotac already.)

Anyway stop answering to me, the only reason you're doing that is to have your agp ranking points which you dont deserve at all <3

cooller isnt as impressive online as on lan

He's better on the lan (more correctly, the others are nothink), but still even online he has beaten cypher (2:0 map score) in GameOn cup last week, for example.

dude are you on drugs ?
seriously you keep on telling me I want stuff I don't deserve? Which in itself is a mystery (cuz you have no clue what I want) and you claim you're more fair than me.... based on you wanting to remove the points because a few good players were in the same bracket???

Really read the next conversation:

<< I'll give you 8 points if you win!
>> K I won!!! gimme my 8 points!!
<< No... the brackets were messed up!!!

Then read:
<< I'll give you 100euro if you win!
>> K I won!!! gimme my 100 euro!!
<< Ok!

I don't see what's fair about doing both of those...

But hey let's say weird is a self-centered prick who wants stuff he doesn't deserve!!!

And the reason I'm answering you, is because I don't understand your logic.

you talk a lot. Didnt read your post, cba, you're boring, next.

omg he finaly realizes I'm right and then starts to whine his way out....
This is so typical for me....

shh

he is right though...

Sure the brackets were bad, but not giving out the points would be idiotic.
wtf it's jsut stupid points anyway, why would anyone fight over that O.o

It really seems more like you are angry that you side of the bracket was fucked up and YOU didn't get a good shot at the oh so precious points. And I really doubt you would have written all that if you hadn't been in the lower bracket. So, if someone is talking from a subjective point of view, that would be you.

Also you need to realize elimination brackets will always be unfair for the lower seeds, because it really comes down to luck in the seedings. (And because of that I personally think having eight SE cups as qualifiers and then award points is a bad idea, because how much points the mid seeds get only comes down to luck )

look. I booked my afternoon for that cup, only to play with those brackets. I usually CANT play zotac cups, and when I do, look at the brackets ? Dont you see where all the frustration goes there? Its not like 'oh what the hell it was fucked up today, np, Ill try next week'. No, I cant play zotac cups every week...

What I dont understand is why the admins did not change the brackets manually at the point it was totally broken.
Yes, I wanted those AGP points, thats the only reason I played for this cup, not the 100€, cause I know my chances to beat guard, strenx killsen, etc in a row are as big as they are... And now I'm not going to play any more zotac cup in the next couple months.

As I said, I can understand why you are unhappy.

But I don't see why you would want to "punish" the other players for that. If someone if to blame it's the admins not the players. So your demand looks more ike a childish:
"If I can't get any points noone else should."

Oh and you are certainly not gonna get any points if you don't play cups.

Also: Even when the branches are fairer, you might still run into a better player beofre getting any points. Wiould you complain about that, as well? If so, I guess it's for the better if you don't participate...

My point is more like why make AGP ranking points out of unaccurate tournaments ?

I heard that the 4th edition of zotac brackets wasnt that much better than this one either...

I will change my mind though. But if the brackets prove shitty on zotac 6th, don't ask me to change my position on denying the agp points for this cup then

Peace


PS: By the way I wanna mention that the AGP ranking points are meant to be, in the future, responsible for seeding the players for several tournaments that will supposedly be sanctionned by the AGP.

Therefore, getting points on the zotac cup for the AGP is a mean to get better seeds in the future, am I right ? Isn't it there where my whole point gets a little more relevant, and a little less childish ?

you still don't get it.

Elimination tournaments (especially SE) will ALWAYS be inaccurate!!!
This goes even for the second/third strongest players and becomes more accurate the lower the ranks are. So, yes the seedings based on these points will also be inaccurate. (Which is why I said earlier, that the qualification procedure is a bad idea)

So basically, if you want the admins not to give out points if the results are inaccurate you are effectively demanding that no tournament that has any elimination component should be rated.
Might as well not have seedings at all then...

Just to clarify it for you, even if you do get perfect seedings (as in the players are in an order that matches their skill) in the standard distribution the players 15-18 (for a 32 player bracket) will be fucked.

Because the winner of 16vs17 will face seed #1 and 15vs18 will face seed #2 in the second round.

It's a general problem not yours.

you do realise you're wasting your time

yes.
What's your point? :)

my point was you were wasting your time with that dude

well sure, but then again other do read my post and might come to share my opinion regarding SE brackets + point system for qualifiers.

how noble of you. carry on!

finished.

nice ;)

well if SE brackets are meant to be so deeply inherently fucked then why dont we just make the best players meet in the early rounds all the time. Is that what you suggest? Your demonstration was pointless...

Jesus F. Christ, get over yourself and try to look at the whole thing.
In end you are just whining about seeded "badly". And like a sobbing child you think if you can't get icecream noone else should.
Ask anyone, that is really what your statements look like.


So yeah, you're right, my demonstration was pointless, as least if it were only directed at you.

youre the one answering me all the time and all youre saying makes sense but it is not anymore about me wanting the points to be taken out, nice try at making you look like the good guy tho.

I am the good guy :)

wow, nice work guard

final top4 doesnt look very impresive, but early in cup players eliminated: killsen, madix , strenx , demon and few more not bad.

i dont see why demon whine about tree? this cups is FOR 1st place, JUST FOR 1st place as you see. AND YOU CARE SOME AGP POINTS? lol go get more rewards in quakelive! THE RAPTOR!!!
most other cups i always got pro player till round 3 and you get it 1st time and he whine?

baaaad english :p

i know :(

about that!!!!
congratz on winning ;)

It's fine, grz Guard.

GJ Pilot, actually foox isn't fox! And cooller had to leave the cup because he played the TDM tournament.

did it wrong, now its right :]

gg, guard. Well played vs strenx ;)

lol
there is skzipilota :D
but SKZI Pilot the correct name