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i really hope for offline finals... plz id software, consider providing support for this

agreed

agreed

agreed

Please release a new duel map!

And TDM, and CTF!

or add hub)

fuck that noise, TDM has suffered enough lately. needs 2v2/tdm maps, so people will begin to realise why TDM was the superiour mod.

agreed

Agreed!:P

agreed

also agreed on need a new duel map

a new new duel map
fixed

Yeah let's hope for lan finals.

It would be a shame if this tournament has to be played online - so please id software, release a LAN version asap.

We would run the LAN tournaments in the same fashion as QuakeCon, no new type of release is required to pull this off.

from that i have heard, with current system running a lan event is quite hard & needs lots of hw, which isnt cheap either easy to organize. So, atleast imo QL needs better lan support.

We would provide them the hardware and setup.

you are a good man.

well, you can't just provide stuff for all the lans all over the world, is this means we'll always have to stick playing online in lans for minor events or with friends? that's kinda sad...

i think WoW uses this model, and it supports ESL, MLG and it's own tourneys with it.

that is correct, ESL, MLG and Dreamhack basically play on online server which is no big deal

WoW is not a fps. Are you kidding me? comparing wow with quake?

Of course you can compare them. One is an rpg, the other an fps. Both use keyboards and computers and nerds and stuff. Compared and contrasted!

So true, it's kind of ridicilous that the only offline practice you will get is with SyncError standing behind you.

I think im in love

will be ever possible to host a lan for private lan party or for some lanparty in nations? We have a quiet few huge lan partys in Slovenia and at every lanparty Quake is included. Shame that we cant play QuakeLive instead of some other Quake. We tryed once on LAN with internet to play quake live, but there was so many people connected on the internet. Was impossible to play. Besides, it was a LAN party and would be nice if there was a lan support for Quake Live. I know it's not easy to make this support, but maybe you should release something for LAN support.

I'm happy to hear that, but also I think you should really release a version that allows everyone to set up their own servers. There are a lot of smaller organization who organize LAN-Tournaments (Dreamhack, the tournament in Prague, etc.) - they need a LAN version to be able to conduct a good tournament.
There are countless other advantages of be able to set up custom servers (which I already explained multiple times, but I could explain them once again, if you are interested to read them)

Suggest a system that allows people to set up their own lan games, while not raping the whole QL system. If you manage to do that, I think id would be quite willing to listen to you.

you can already spawn listenservers to play with bots, how would it be hard to put a button somewhere to spawn a dedicated lan server. it would be perfectly fine if you have to have an internet connection but the ability to spawn lan servers would be great for minor lans

make an application form for organizers of LAN tournaments and if they meet the requirements they get a temporary log-in for the time of the tournament which allows them to spawn local servers from the web interface.

requirements could be something like: website, receipts for rent of builing named on website, receipt of fee for networks hardware, etc.

I guess there are more fitting requirements as well.

This idea is quite vulnerable to getting the server software getting hijacked.

possibly, yes.

But I think if you only give out a very limited number of accounts and make the last 2 days or maybe a week, then it would be possible to monitor the activity from those accounts.

I suppose the problem is having the most recent ads.

The only thing I can think of is in order to spawn your own offline server, you would have to "download" the latest ads in order to play with. As in you would have to download that months/days ads before you could setup an offline/lan game.

This would not be a problem if you could just download the file and then upload it to the offline pc (with a laptop or iphone or w/e)

Would that sort of system work?

Sorry for the late reply.

The trouble is not really with ad-system, but more in the fact that if a server application gets into public hand. Chances are that people will circumvent the whole QL website and just play on private servers.

I never thought of that! Shame that the few people who would use that software illegally ruin it for the (I'm guessing majority of) people who would use the software legally :( Thanks for the info :)

how annoying would it be if the release of a lan server would lead to something like freeshards or pirated servers which are available in mmos and games like starcraft? it would probably split the rather small quake community even more - the standard quake live is providing can be seen as a big advantage of the product itself.


the setup ID is offering sounds very good even though they could play on online servers as well - the very same is done in wow. the ping from hannover to frankfurt is about 5-10ms and in the past the event had at least an 100mbit connection


ps: i notice the downside events in eastern europe are going to face with online only servers, but lets face it that the internet connections improve everywhere around the world and so do the hosting solutions for services like quake live server of id software. i would prefer to see them working on decent tdm and ca maps - especially the rocket arena 3 maps for ca and osp/cpm maps for tdm. would be better to focus on the really important aspects of the game!

Well id can give organizers the ability to spawn private servers, that would work nice for dreamhack e.g. I know ESL have that ability.

We (dreamhack) already got the ability to spawn online servers.

yeah, we (ESL) also can spawn online servers like a couple other companies and leagues too, which is great and already helped a lot, but we definitly will have events where online play won't be possible because they will be on nice uncommon places, but we still want to have QL there, but I'm positive that my colleagues and id figure something out that will work :-)

could not agree more

tournament in Prague is an utter failure and nobody should take it seriously

Dunno why everyone in this thread prays and hopes for LAN finals. Wake up guys. Of course they are gonna be played on lan. How can you even doubt it? ESL is big and I can imagine they may have early access to the promised QL lan capabilities through web or (worse) will use a replica for lan. Like they did for both QuakeCons. I hope for the first option.

edit: oh well, sync already made it clear a fucking minute ago

go walter!

don't funny

I hope draven noctis rapha fazz calipt killsen lose, for being racist and insulting, also ignorant. And also arrogant and ignoring. May only the nice pro's win! Toxjq ? i think he seems nice :) or cypher!

are you going to be the one loosening them up? I can imagine that being hard on your back.

i never called you racist or insulted you, only said that your annoying, which you quite are, somehow you like all the attention

dont say i am annoying, i barely ever come close to you, and i also dont want to be close to people who are being negative to me. so either be happy you are on that list, or lets be friends and i can remove you from this list :)

you hold a server , dont wanna spec or readyup that isnt annoying? comeon kid

i wouldnt even respond..youre just giving him a false sense of attention

i never do that, unless people are insulting me and making fun of me :) "kid"

i'd be scared if i were killsen, this nutjob might actually live near him

So keep giving it to him then.

You talk about people being racist left and right. Do you know that defamation allows legal actions?

certainly not, since this people have indeed insulted me and made me feel like they think i am worse than them in some sense. hence, arogance and insulting and also some ignoring, being ignorant and racist.. so I have the right express myself about them given the fact they have offended me.

If you can't get love you wan't respect.
If you can't get respect you wan't to be hated.

Yes cypher seems really nice, since you know all about the quake scene and his sportmanship towards his opponents online :) what's wrong with those guys you just listed? :o

he gets angry sometimes when his oppo is annoying.. understandable :) those guys i listed were making fun of m coz i said that rail isnt affected by ping to rapha.. so he could play t4 with his bad ping against fazz.. and noctis and calipt were racist to poland on the irc channel.. and also making fun of me

This is just great !

rapha a racist? thats quite new to me xD

more zombie pics plz :)

not racist like you, but certainly insulting, arrogant and ignorant

Shut up idiot noob. Nobody cares about your emo posts

JK............................... or am i?

oh hai dkt ^^

this shows the league structure quite well:

its alot of people who find you annoying, you must be right, we are all wrong.

isnt that usually the case with humans? one sheep follows the other.

a new addition to my ignore list, I suggest others do the same!

so why do you have to say anything to me? just ignore me so i dont hv to waste my attention on you, random guy i never seen before :p

your going to miss a lot of fun ;)

well..theres a fine line between entertaining troll and sad attempts and im afraid brumu crossed that line

of course, but I wouldn't want to miss some of the abusive statement directed at him ;D

So what happens to the people that actually place top 2 for the qualifications and have no intentions on going to the finals?

they receive the label of idiot

Why would you enter a QUALIFICATION tournament if you don't intend to go?

then noctis' spot will go to the 3rd placed as usual.

now i really have no idea how that description is supposed to fit me ... :P

Id be starting on quake again and signing up for this, if noctis would train me for a month!

Then maybe id make top100 ;<.

obsessed much?:F

ahh lol that wasn't supposed to be a reply but a post ;<

But just a bit of idolizing!

^^

well, you would obviously not accept the invite. Then participate in the qualifier on a whim and win. Then find out that you despise QL and can't be bothered to play in the Masters.

:]

you mean like....

wat

Just admit that I am in your head :D

explains the headache

surprising. I think it's quite roomy in here, I am considering moving in permanently.
What are your terms regarding pets and swimming pools and occasional loud music?

i doubt you can afford the rent

1 daily bottle of obstler down the drain?
I think I can afford that.

But please keep the earthquakes to a minimum!

1 daily bottle of obstler down the drain?

that would produce unpleasant living conditions :p

I can offer some extra valium.

But for that I demand windows!

tbh, im not weird enough to keep this conversation up. ;)

good, cause I was getting close to the edge there myself.
At least when sober.

if someone ends up in the top 2 of the qualification and won't play the main tournament (which will be stupid), the third placed player from that cup will get the slot.

when a person qualifies are they still allowed to enter the other qualification cups? i think they shouldnt

why not?

at the very least it will result in a higher skilled tournament, which I would consider good.

haha :D
if one person win every #1 #2 #3 #4 edition, we will have only :
1,1,1,1,1 = 5 gamers, but we need a 8 from quali :)

it is crap idea :) , if you are qualifed you should not to be allowed to play in next edition of qualies.

if i dont understand your point, sorry my bad :)

well, the usualy procedure is that if the higher placed player,e.g. the winner, of the second tournament is already invited the slot goes to the 2nd and 3rd placed. And so on.
That way you would get more interesting games in the qualifier tournament which is good for the coverage etc. The same goes for the players who were already invited. I believe that is the system WSVG and ESWC MAsters used?

But of course if the qualifiers are simply short tournament, without additional prices and no real coverage there is no need to allow already qualified and invited players...

qualification cups will be short one day or two day cups with no real coverage and already qualified players won't be able to participate in the cups, because it would change the whole outcome.

the top players will fight each other in the championship so there will be plenty of exciting matches there.

yes it does but i thought about it this morning. say link1n qualifies in the first tournament and then in the second he reaches the semi-final vs stermy. are you telling me that their fnatic guys wouldnt tell link to make it a close game but ultimately lose so that he can make it to the finals. the alternative would be that stermy plays vs the other semifinal loser for the extra place which could be fox/noctis etc and isnt a certainty.

best 8 over the course of the tournaments should progress, not clan mates

true, I didn't consider the clan mate problem.

but Rondrian already replied that already qualified won't be allowed, so no worries :)

Agreed. If you qualify for the finals then you shouldn't be able to even play in the rest.

I'm sure those are the rules anyways, ESL isn't that stupid =D

more info about qual? is it possible quals for LTU?

what?

:D

32 mixed(OPEN i guess) and top2 qualified.
overall 4 x 2 = 8 ppl
= 8 invited + 8 ppl from qual = european championship

"That means that there will be regional Quake Live Championships in at least Europe "

with the "regions" being Europe and North America :)

sometimes word to word hard to understand. maybe they saying, in some of regions, etc bigger ones: de , pl , uk , fr etc :)

if LTU is in Europe I would say "yes", otherway - gtfo!

as i know ltu is part of europe :D

European qualification won't start before october and yes it will be possible to take part in it from every country within europe. More details about that around the first october week.

btw what definition of europe is being used in esl? are russia, georgia, turkey and israel in?

those 4 countries we include in europe

kazakhstan is asia though

Why would you include Israel in Europe?

it's a bit of an edge case, but a good precedent is their inclusion in UEFA - http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/countries/...index.html

israel have played in our ENC too

That's mainly due to them being at war with their neighbours and thus cannot participate in their own region. I don't see how esports would have that problem though.

I don't think Turkey should be included in Europe either, as it is only half a city of the country that is in Europe. Though I understand why those third world countries tries to scam their way into being European.

Kazakhstan is in UEFA too.
Also as Paladia said the reason for them being in UEFA do not count for esports.

Isreal has a pretty developed network infastructure, comparable to Europe. The majority of Kazakhstan does not.

just because we use uefa as a precedent for one case doesn't mean we have to for all :)

there are reasons for and against in both cases, last season when it came up we ruled kazakhstan as asia, and sometime before that we included israel in europe

israel playing in european competitions is nothing new, see any clanbase rules page :)

cause none of their neighbors want to play with them.

"it will be possible to take part in it from every country within europe".
How it could be if people like Cypher have 100 ping. Give lan quakifications:P

Are rules and maps out?

nope, prolly tomorrow or later tonight

Awesome, thanks!

The format for the European/American Finals is brilliant - good job ESL!

Good news finally :)