great news for QL

You do realize that it's at the Gamescom (former Games Convention), which means it's about as meaningful as a Fatalonety public q4dm13 challenge?

you do know, that it also means that there is a good chance that Quake Live will be a fixed part of Masters with Events and Tournaments all around the world and a huge bunch of prize money?

It's not fixed yet, but there is a chance!! Just be happy for now with the small offline event and wait for more news! Carmac and quite a few more guys at Turtle are working on getting Quake Live big in eSports and within ESL, so give them a chance.

huge bunch of prize money? *looks at cs & wow* really?

Don't worry, there are plenty of idiots like yourself that think $500,000 isn't a lot of money.

No we're called realists. Only an idiot will just look at the total pool and think "awesome". Look at this first event...QL gets $1k i.e. nobody outside of germany will be bothered to go. There's no news (from what I see) of how much of the 500k goes towards QL or the prize breakdown? If its $10k per event broken down between the top 8 then thats terrible as it wont cover anything, if its split between top 3 then its not so bad but people knowing they wont finish there still might not go. US$ aint good. euros maybe. Have locations even been specified? Events in US/asia would put off a lot of eu players (or sponsors with tight purse strings) as the reward is tiny after travel costs; and that eliminates the top crop of players (nobody cares for .us players except for rapha)

Last year it was worth travelling to the US and Dubai, don't know the exact pot, but think it was quite similar. And the 500k is for the world tour, not QL.

exactly. and i assume most of the prize will go to the other games and so its nowhere near as impressive as gillz & rondrian are trying to make out

I never said it was awesome because QL is getting a lot of money, it's awesome because e-sports looks to be somewhat stable right now, and ESL. It's good to have that money in CS, so eventually we can work QL up to better things.

1 tournament does not equal stability especially when there was a guy in an esl irc chan the other night asking where he prize was (i.e. hadn't received it).

also it shows no hope of ql growing. the prize (for this tournie at least) in esl is small. the esl tournie just gone was like $200-300 first place. this compared to a shitty game like ut3 which was getting thousands in its first esl online cup culminating in lan finals.

theres no cpl, no wsvg. wcg hasnt played quake/ut for a while. eswc looks to be unofficially bust. global economies are still shit and id still havent made it so people can get private servers.

how can you say the future of quakelive looks good when the makers of quakelive cant even sell in game advertising space

ESWC are officially bust, since they closed down a few months ago. And CPL is back (for CS only tho)

CPL aint back. some fake arabs probably with the name sheikh munez. like with that fake org they were advertising for before going away.

i thought eswc were apparently just putting the shit off for x-amount of time. oh well, makes my point more valid

It's actually not fake. I don't know if it will be good, since the guy who owned CGS is running the show.

look how that panned out ;D

my thoughts indeed :P

UT3 didnt had a lot of prize money, a few hundred euros and offline finals only happened because teams and players asked for it and paid all expenses on their own!!

I know, everyone wants back a World Tour with $1.000.000 prize money for a duel shooter, but look where it ended? Its economic suicide to do something like that in current times and also in better times. eSport is just not that far, especially in duel games. The $1.000 tournament is a small kick off for visitors of the fair, nothing else. There is no bigger tournament on gamescom because the game isnt just ready. It's still a beta and ID has Quakecon soon and needs to take care of that, before they can deliver the support for other leagues, to run big offline tournaments, which is totally understandable.

Leagues can already spawn private servers, so expect a lot more competition there and it's just a matter of time until prolly more people or everyone can, just give them time. CS wasn't big overnight as well, but flaming and talking bad about everything that's just starting won't help either.

Support your community, create tournaments, help on community websites etc. It's the community that makes a game big and nothing else.

Let's see how it plays out at gamescom and wait for more to come, in a year or two, when quake live hasnt made it then, than you can flame and say, ok duel gaming didnt worked out again, but until than support the community and just help.

/imho

i dont care about going back to the world tour im just pointing out that this isnt as great as everyone is making it out to be. the only things i liked about the world tour was watching pk and listening to joe cast...that and the occasional WHAM BAM SHAZAM!

get back to 2k4 you traitor :P

I agree with you in the point that it is only a beginning, but let's See how it plays out. And ut2k4 was already fail, ut99 all the way. :p

The makers of QL can sell in-game advertising. Everytime I go on I see movie promotions, food promotions (like Pizza Pizza) and other advertisements (like Rogers).

It's there, but for some reason you either can't see it, or deny seeing it.

We just need to wait and see what happens with ESL. Quake has SOMETHING right now, and it's better then nothing. We shouldn't be looking at this as a negative, we should be looking at this as a positive, because if we didn't have this we'd have nothing.

I think it's regionalized. Every time I go in I see movie and sneaker ads.

point being they may just not have ads in your region yet.

Yes, it is based on region. Euros will see different stuff then other people, etc.

They definitely have a lot of companies on board with this =D

we'd still have online play for fun, who cares for tournies

the only ad i see is some annoying 30 sec tv that appears whenever i leave a game making me have to leave the site & come back. in game its all ql logos

Fuck online tournaments, completely meaningless. We need LAN events, not Jim & Pams Online Cup #54

no we dont. and i wasnt talking about online tournies...just online gaming i.e. for FUN, you know that thing where people dont have to spend 8 hours per day playing for peanuts

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1730639

Nice, but I would like to see Quake as a major game once again, not a side event or so. Fuck me, there's so much skill involved in this game, only SC can surpass it. It's fucking easy to begin, hard to master, what's wrong with that? Give this game a credit already for fuck sake!

<3 Carmac

/drunk

No need to write that. Pole is automatically considered as drunk.

Well, this is just the beginning. It's a mere public/newbie event. And if everything goes well, we'll have our BIG tourneys. Let me quote a polish Quake player with british accent:
"If two out of three projects I am working on are going to succeed, all the Quake players out there will be very happy."

i dont get why people tend to think that quake is easy to learn but hard to master, some so called "wise" said this and now everyone is copying his thoughts?

imo quake is hard to learn and hard to master, learning quake is a long process and you need to put a lot effort in it. SF4 seems more like a game easy to learn, but hard to master. Quake should be same way, it should be made easier to get to level where mindgame decides games instead of experience, thats also how its in SF4 from that i know.

a game where experience doesn't matter is a game lacking in depth. still quake live needs to be more accessible to new players.

Mind games are all about experience.

Mechanical functions are all about time and practice (aim, timing, map knowledge etc.).

Use wasd to move, use your mouse to aim, press the left button to shoot, scroll up/down to switch weapons... Halo is probably more complicated to learn than Quake.

Edit, what you are referring to as "learning" is actually the process of "mastering" the game. Usually when people talk about learning, it's about the very basics needed to be able to play/enjoy the game.

well but you cant really enjoy quake as a duel game before you have so much experience / knowledge that you can start concentrating on braingame instead of trying to time items or hit shots you need to hit etc shit

yeah, lack of randomness, thats it !

I so totally agree with you! But I mean.. I think it's so hard to even tell when someone have learned quake fully, I always seems to find something new to learn every time I play quake and I feel like I never experienced that so much in other games, you always learn how to circle jump and strafe jump faster, better and more flexible every time and so on...

Some more QL quotes and stuff from IEM project manager, Carmac, here...

www.tek-9.org/news/ESL_confirm_QuakeLive_at_I...-1912.html

Looks kinda positive I guess?

still nobody willing to branch out and do street fighter 4. dunno why companies are just giving away that whole market. it has a lot of momentum that is going to waste.

anyway. surprised esl isn't willing to at least give ql decent table scraps. $1000 pro-am isn't even worth making a bullet point for.

don't think sf4 has anywhere near the scene in the eu as america, may be wrong but i dont think theres anything on the same scale as evo, or even devistation.
and this is just 1 event, they have alot more stops that could have some serious ql money

yep

SF4 is amazing! over 10k people watched the stream!?! so why not more tournaments

Quake Live would never pull in 10k people :(

because its hard to understend for noobs whats going on in ql game

Compared to other FPS games its not, or especially compared to RTS or MMO games.

do u rly think its harder to understend whats going on in cs than in ql

Yes, big time.

If you want to simply explain to someone else: kill the other guy. You don't need to know about the RA, mega, etc. to be able to enjoy the game and understand the goal.

with cs you have to explain about the bomb, your team, etc.

also i can say it another way too
If you want to simply explain to someone else: kill the guys from enemy team. you dont need to know about tonn of tactics and how where to put bomb... to enjou the game
with quake u have to explain about the tactics mh ra ya shards health weapons much PUs....when what weapon is good to use... what time have ALL items and u need to calculate them ALL time when u playing... see the difference m8? :)
quake player would do more frags vs cser in cs than csplayer in quake

With CS you have to explain that there is a bomb, you can win a round by killing the enemy or defusing the bomb/planting the bomb and wait till it explodes.

You HAVE to know this before understanding the game. With QL you only have to understand that you need to kill each other. The RA, YA and mega are for those who want to look deeper into the game.

I come from a team FPS background, and I instantly understood Quake without a problem and enjoyed it alot more. Because it is so easy accessible is the reason it is at the IEM.

I truly hope that valve's developers will go in hell for making so shity games...

And blizzard's developers will be reincarnated into threes and then go to hell (they did starcraft so i'm nicer with them :])

Yea I'm made out of hate (:p)

/smoked

cs is not that bad, mate.

Yes, it is, dude!

Man, CS is not even done, there are still so much to fix and improve in the game that they are doing nothing about.

Ehm... Cannot plan a trip to Cologne just 15 days before the event starts... Well, maybe this is just a start and next season we can see QL being part of the same competition :)

it might be even part of this season. it's not fixed yet, just wait for more news, but at least it is considered, which is quite good news for the duel scene.

Oh, that's nice. I thought the season would only be CS and WoW again, that's what I understood from the ESL TV show that is.

So, if i understood well:

From 19th to 23rd August there will be a "cup" of that 3 games. X$ prizes for that tourney.

And after that event, the season will start, and we dont know anything about the rules etc... but we will know soon isnt it?

It's one stop, there will be six in total. Every continent has its stop, from each continent a number of teams will go to the global finals.

OK, got it :D

Yes there is a Event from 19th to 23rd August on which more details will be revealed and it will be also the first tournament for WoW for the whole tournament. There will be more offline events all over the world, at least six in total, but there also will be a fair amount of online tournaments as qualifications for the offline events. The complete system will be released during the Gamescom and there is a chance that quake live will be a full game for everything, but that's of course depends on several points. Like offline playability and further developement of the game, but also community feedback etc. etc.

Like offline playability and further developement of the game, but also community feedback etc. etc.

YES WE CAN

... but that's of course depends on several points. Like offline playability and further developement of the game, but also community feedback etc. etc.

Do you hear that, SyncError???

oh you will get feedback whether you like it or not ;]

Let's hope the beginning of something great?

go carmac

Yeah... nice to get QL in Carmac... let's hope it can be even bigger in upcoming events. :)

thumbs up

Nice! Lucky me, live in same town! Cu there! :D

Then stop surfing through the internetz and get on the server, ffs! Wanna see you beating the shit out of some germans :P

beware I might be there as well!

WOW lineups look interesting.

say bye to your esr account ;-)

Give us some viewer numbers already! Carmac let the QL numbers sound really depressing compared to CS and WoW in the half hour show they did the other day.

$21,000 divided in 3 games doesn't sound like a big deal.

500k over two games neither? :O

It was $750.000 Last season...

We're in the middle of the credit crunch, and 500k is still better than any event out there at the moment.

500.000 : 6 : 2 = 41666,66$ per event per game, almost as good as QuakeCon and that is only once per year.

This is a nice start, I think we will see big tournaments for QL soon enough.

more info about quakelive pro/am tournament :

http://www.esl.eu/eu/quakelive/news/95981/Int...Challenge/

Almost Lost (tourney6)

WWWHHHYYYYYYYYYYY

why they didnt pick t9 instead of t6 :o

why add a 6th map at all

t6 will be removed.

<3

Interview with Carmac about IEM:
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/25613-Carmac..._mentality