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QC hitbox data for nerds (15 comments)

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Posted by Jamerio @ 12:19 CDT, 4 April 2018 - iMsg

*UPDATED INFO*
Watch this from the devs before you read what I wrote. Skip to 2:24 if in rush.

https://youtu.be/QEgY7fckfoU

*************************************************************************

I wanted a quick way to get some idea of the character sizes between champs after I feel the relationship between it, health, armour speed is where the fine tuning is needed.

I took a screen shot of each character, from inside the customization menu, zoomed the screen out as far as possible so its on the pantheon, screen shotted it, then I pasted into PS, then cut around the model with lasso and pasted it into its own layer and got the height and width dimensions which are as follows and pretty close and relative/consistent across the board.

NOTE: I did not cut around the weapons, I measured the effective standing pose which I believe is most relevant.

For example, Anarki's width was 647 due to the hover board, but his effective width "middle" was 285. (2nd only to slash)

Visor = w363 x h803
Doom Slayer = w355 x h800
ScaleBearer =w392 x h760
Ranger = w380 x h800
Anarki = w647 x h759 ) (hover board is wide, his "middle" width is 285-ish unlesss the hover board width is overall width, in which case aim for his feet at all times-will update if confirmed)
Nyx = w312 x h790
sorlag = w453 x h780
Clutch = w672 x h754
Galena = w323 x h799
Slash = w282 x h790
BJ = w358 x h828 (yes 828!)
Keel = w395 x h810 (top of turret guns reduce height by 10 if head)

I'm not sure how much use this is, but I decided to do it anyway just in case its of use and its been something I wanted to do for ages.

I might add to this if more things come along, or someone adds something important.

ATM I am not sure how the characters hit box is represented as there isn't any debugging to see the advanced stuff, but there is obviously a link between the above dimensions and the hit box size. *UPDATE* https://youtu.be/QEgY7fckfoU

If they are using a single capsule/rectangle hit box, that should make the WIDTH and HEIGHT values very relevant. If they use actual body dimensions, that might need a closer look.

Feel free to add anything related...

Edited by Jamerio at 18:05 CDT, 4 April 2018 - 11883 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 13:10 CDT, 4 April 2018 >>

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Yakumo

skip to 2.24

Edited by Yakumo at 13:11 CDT, 4 April 2018

<< Comment #2 @ 13:18 CDT, 4 April 2018 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #1

Ah thanks, that's useful. I will add at top as it kinda of throws some water on my info.

their methods seem a little generalized, that probably explains why I have a few issues with the game and how damage is sometimes dealt with.

I guess we need debug info to do this post justice.

Edited by Jamerio at 13:29 CDT, 4 April 2018

<< Comment #3 @ 15:12 CDT, 4 April 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #2

multiple capsules.
they can change the size on the fly.
was in one of the dev vids.

<< Comment #9 @ 13:29 CDT, 5 April 2018 >>

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filo - Reply to #1

what was the phaze2 of hitboxs, was that in the march update? ans what was is it actualy?

<< Comment #4 @ 18:24 CDT, 4 April 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

Characters listed by "effective width" from smallest to largest.

*Effective Width is generally elbow to elbow. Narrower = Better "harder to hit".

1) Slash = 282
2) Anarki = 285 (higher if count hover board)
3) Nyx = 312
4) Galena = 323
5) Doom Slayer = 355
6) BJ =358
7) Visor = 363
8) Ranger = 380
9) Scalebearer = 392
10 Keel = 395
11) Sorlag = 453 (+ advantage dodge strafe animation)
12) Clutch = 672

Edited by Jamerio at 16:13 CDT, 5 April 2018

<< Comment #5 @ 18:45 CDT, 4 April 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

Characters listed by height from shortest to tallest.
Shortest Height = Best.

1) Clutch = 754
2) Anarki = 759
3) ScaleBearer = 760
4) Sorlag = 780
5) Nyx = 790
6) Slash = 790
7) Galena = 799
8) Doom Slayer = 800
9) Scalebearer = 800
10) Keel = 810 (800 if you discount the top of the gun turrets)
11) BJ = 828

Edited by Jamerio at 19:09 CDT, 4 April 2018

<< Comment #6 @ 19:00 CDT, 4 April 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

Height + Width values combined. Lowest is better, BUT these values are much less important than the width, the most desired trait to have hit box wise is low width.

1) Anarki = 1044 (higher if factor in hover board)
2) Slash = 1072
3) Nyx = 1102
4) Galena = 1122
5) ScaleBearer = 1152
6) Doom Slayer = 1155
7) Visor = 1166
8) Ranger = 1180
9) BJ = 1186
10) Keel = 1205
11) Sorlag = 1233
12) Clutch = 1426

Edited by Jamerio at 19:13 CDT, 4 April 2018

<< Comment #7 @ 19:09 CDT, 4 April 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

Without looking at any in game data, you can see that the dimension sizes obtained from screen grabs is relative, which is why I think this info is useful to a purist.

The screen grabs tell me anarki, slash, nyx are the smallest in the game, most of you will know this to be true from experience, but my point is, if they are making the hit box sizes relative to the actual values I captured from screen grabs, this info might be useful.

Obviously the a difference of 10-30 is not really a big deal, but Galena seems thinner than I expected which might explain why a lot of people think she's hard to LG. She was always my second fav after Sb, and she's risen up the ranks a bit for me now due to that slimline figure.

P.S.
I think visor and doom slayer need to start with 125/25 instead of 150/25.

Edited by Jamerio at 16:18 CDT, 5 April 2018

<< Comment #8 @ 13:07 CDT, 5 April 2018 >>

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roymagic

Thx for the effort. Even Im not playing the game currently, I found it very interesting to read

<< Comment #10 @ 14:23 CDT, 5 April 2018 >>

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Gobotz

from my playing experience...

galena has a broken hitbox. no damage a lot of times.

visors hitbox seems to be to the left of him.

<< Comment #11 @ 16:41 CDT, 5 April 2018 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #10

It might not be broken. Just deceptive. If you look at the width values of Ranger "Mr Standard" (380) vs Galena (323), that's a difference of 57.

When you factor ScaleBearer (easy target) is only 12 more than ranger, it seems to me that a difference of 57 is pretty huge.

Its all depends on whether they've customized it beyond the actual look of the chars which is all the info I have. They have hinted they have.

I could probably rip the models for analysis only and see if the hit box meshes are there too (good chance), but I play the game quite a lot and I would get busted for it.

All my stuff here is guideline, but I am confident its relative as I said, its told me slash nyx, anarki, galena are the top 4 hardest to hit and I don't think anyone whose played disagree.

Anyone else can do what I did with print screen and photo shop and they will find the same findings.

Edited by Jamerio at 16:52 CDT, 5 April 2018

<< Comment #12 @ 10:39 CDT, 4 July 2018 >>

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nex1 :

Blow Job's hitbox seems enormous. Overall bigger than scalebearer, a tank, wtf?

<< Comment #13 @ 18:15 CDT, 4 July 2018 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #12

His vertical is, but not his width, a wider hitbox is worse than a taller one.

<< Comment #14 @ 19:53 CDT, 25 August 2018 >>

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Nofri

Wonder which of those would match QL hitbox mostly? Keel prolly?

<< Comment #15 @ 20:36 CDT, 25 August 2018 >>

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alb ' - Reply to #14

By feel I'd say a doom or visor size and galena dodge movement

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