Yellow press post ftw!

All emilio's fault

also germans innit

Not that much impressed, since I heard that many germans cheated playing Need for speed to the WCG and other tournaments.. unfortunately it seems to be a plague around the world.

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Wait... I thought Xonotic is the game for cheaters (???)

This isn't even drama, it's just as if Zhu would start calling people cheaters at the time he was caught, just trying to derail the attention from him by creating more "drama". Nobody with an ounce of a mind will believe him anyway, VP cheating at Katowice? Yes ok.

WHAT JUST HAPPENED TO YOUR TOP#1 FAVOURITE SNIPER EVAR, BOYYY???

FECQL-MATTER))) My limited knowledge of other languages + the fact I followed him on twitter meant as soon as I heard (just now), I tweeted @him with the only Armenian swear word I know (asturahchya, means "cunt who passes wind")), told him to "stop hacke" called the situation "UNE GRANDE PIZDEC", and said (at least I hope I said, .fr lessons in school made me switch off the mozg, so am not that fluent) that "it's a shame for Armenia".


First Anita Sarkessian goes full retard then KQLY becomes a POZORNIY PIDARAS. This is a dark year for descendants of Armenian ex-pats))

cba to read that, but yeah, shame on you kqly. still not making smn a valid source, he's still a caught cheater just trying to derail the attention from himself. but i love the drama!

well, it's getting interesting now anyway. :)

Yeah this is exciting, waiting for more french people to go down. Maybe someone in fnatic too, I feel like NiP is safe though.

It reminds me of the match fixing scandal in korea. I feel like if this gets any bigger, sponsors will drop like the bass in a skrillex song.

I hope some team drops a 2, maybe even a 3 cheater bomb. That'd be fun.

insert gif here http://i.imgur.com/1Sv2D.gif

Wow virtus.pro in the middle of the hurricane?

Who did/does he play for? And how much money has he made from CS?

alternate attax and dunno. considering skins probably enough to get by.

Is this the jD of 2014?

I remember a few scandalous incidents back in ~2004 when top lan players turned out to be cheatererrs




Ah yes, Hyper

Movie not available.

Gema?
Do you have it on vimeo as well?

http://vimeo.com/33480111

Nah, Vimeo $$$.

I missed CS:S completely. Never played really, never watched. Did Valve ever manage to make it somewhat decent?

Also, am I watching a fragmovie of a cheater with a bad soundtrack?

When was Hyper ever shown to be a cheater?

That left handed weaponmodel really pisses me off

Couldn't be more natural.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2286140/strenx-france-hack-zotac/

Same as this?

not that it matters but i'm rather sure he did cheat in the past... being 15, online and raging hard :f

lol, maybe it's just be, but it looks pretty obvious.

* DIE-FFS olofm was widely received as a cheater (2006-08ish).
* emilio was _ALWAYS_ cheating. the guy got busted every once in a while from his early days in 1.6 to more notably, in cs:go.
* pronax was caught by SSC (anti-cheat system that takes screenshots of your game and scans your for known cheats.
* delpan was regarded as the biggest cheater in swedish 1.6.
* khrystal used to host cups where he and his friends (on lan) would just ravage with aimbots and wallhacks. confirmed by a friend of his that i used to play with.
* rape aka znatch- was also busted by SSC.
* skytten went down to either custodia or EAC.

thats going through the top 50 rankings on gosugamers.net. people would get caught cheating and join the next prize up a week later. kinda speaks to the nature of the cs scene, at least in sweden huh

Knowing a bit about cs scene and playing it a lot 10 years ago, I'm still amazed how people claim quake has a lot of cheaters - honestly for a free online game it hasn't come close to what you see in a regular match of cs. Not to mention there's often some uproar within the lan proven players.

This.

In GO the skins are a huge part of the problem imo.

almost every pro has fullbright skins thanks to gfx card driver abuse

Wat? I meant weapon skins. People crave so much for that one rare item that they do literally everything for it.

oh that. i thought ur talking about player skins. basically what they do is use gfx card drivers to remove all shadows from map and extrapolate brightness of enemy models :D

I couldn't care less tbh. Would do the same if I had a good card. ;D

ur posting in a cheating thread fgt, you DO care.

But, but ...

Seriously tho, if they all do it and it's allowed? nP~

I always wanted to get into a conversation with you btw. Zerg masterrace represent!

It's actually not allowed. We had to make a ruleset for our CSGO competition so we had to look around at other competitions. There's this nvidia 3rd party software that allows you to make changes to the rendering of the game and that 3rd party software is banned.

Thanks for clearing that up.

skins are one of the most important things to change for visability

I'd think it's far more about being able to actually bet real money on the games. The skins are an incentive too sure, but I do think people value their real money more. Oh and skins have really made cs:go grow, not sure how people who want a community and pro tournaments can dislike them.

But they are distributed randomly, it doesn't matter which rank you are and how good you do.

who cares? game should have that option by default.

is this why i never see rape or skytten

ha?

How is anyone still surprised by this? Money and bragging rights, people will do anything if they think "risks to rewards" is in their favour.

I'm also puzzled how you could think this problem is limited to CS. The quake (professional) scene has its fair share of cheaters as well, to think otherwise would be rather naive.

like who?

Cheating is easy and not detectable if decently done by a pro player. Nobody
is going to notice that extra 5% acc or that occasional quick wh toggle.
On the other hand it gives them easy money (online cups) and way better chances for victories. Both of those are superb motivators.

So we have a system where cheating offers high rewards with negligible risks. We can safely assume that not all quake pros are inherently honest. Thus it doesn't take a genius to figure out that some cheating is going on.

Or simply put:
Is it really hard to imagine someone like ZeroQL but with enough brains not to be obvious? What would keep a pro player from cheating in online cups (or on LAN if cleverly done)?

you didnt answer my question though. is there anyone even suspicious currently playing? the guys who make any money out of QL can be counted with 1 hand

I didn't answer your question because I think it is completely irrelevant in this context. Making money is only part of the motivation - the pleasure of winning is at least as important.

My point is that cheating is not something "that only happens in CS, lol, CS noobs, so lame etc." Cheating is a common occurrence in (almost) any competitive activity. Some people will do anything to win; that's human nature - deal with it.

The current system actively encourages cheating (high rewards, no risks) and the stubbornness and naivety of community is an essential part of that system. Whenever there is a discussion about cheats, it is really difficult to focus on the facts at hands because there is a vast majority of idiots jumping to a priori defences with various reasons (e.g. friends, nationalists, show-offs, fellow cheaters). If the suspect is a pro player things get even more retarded because of 'fanboism' and idolization.

I dont get why you are arguing with me, I dont disagree with anything you say. I was just curious who could possibly fit the criteria

apparently I like to argue. :)

The quake (professional) scene has its fair share of cheaters as well, to think otherwise would be rather naive.

And this is based on what exactly?

- Based on the assumption that quake players are not more honest than any other group of competitors in any other sport.

- Based on the fact that we have had cheaters time and again. The only thing that has gotten better since then is the cheats themselves (in the sense that aimbots look more human, hooking/injecting is done more stealthily and so on). Technical cheat detection has not improved one bit and community awareness has been on a constant low since always.

- Based on: read #43 and #62.

Now let me ask a few questions:
1) What keeps a (pro) quake player from cheating?

2) Which things are done to prevent cheating a) online and b) on LAN?

3) Do you think that we have a good detection rate on cheaters? (and no I am not talking about the Sanchez/daddy/serious kind of cheating)

I am inclined to say communities *are* different. Each game has its own culture when it comes to top players, and the reason is that you have key figures who drive the behavior of others via their example. The worse of Quake pro player have never even got close to say COD pro players, in being disrespectful/yelling at each other. Not even 2GD in steroids.

Now about setting up the cheat. Reading the CS thread it seems like the only thing that is needed for you to get your cheat working is to log to your account. I highly doubt quake has anything close to that. I've been to many tournaments, and I've been around when players setup their machines, sometimes being asked for help with either missing equipment or monitor settings, and I can tell there are dozen of eyes pointed at the various machines/screens. Poeple often leave their PC going out for a smoke, and you have others who sit down and try other's people config, etc.

For a cheat to be usable with confidence in such a situation, it would have to install automatically and in a disguised way on any machine, and not being activated by mistake. It should also have no visual representation nor any failure case, as right from the start people spectate matches from behind the shoulder, and as the tournament progresses, the number of eyes just grow exponentially. And it's not noobs eyes, it's other pros.

Also, nowadays the pro circuit it's really more a group of friends / very talented aficionados who appreciate competition and the game, rather than people looking for the big money. It's already quite crazy to make it your career, but to cheat on it, it's even crazier, and to me honest, I really doubt it's the case.

So, call me naive if you want, but I'd rather stick with the 'innocent until proven guilty' here.

I am inclined to say communities *are* different. Each game has its own culture when it comes to top players, and the reason is that you have key figures who drive the behavior of others via their example.

Please explain how this theory is plausible in regards to sombra / zeroQL / zubich? While you are at it, please include how this theory works out in regards to cooller purposefully losing a match and the various spectator / teamspeak shenanigans that have been going on at one point or another.

Also please explain how "drive the behavior of others via their example" is not a logical fallacy for behaviors which are always done secretly?

Now about setting up the cheat.[...]

Apparently there are cheats consisting off a very small exe, which could easily be embed within a driver installer (mouse or keyboard).

nowadays the pro circuit it's really more a group of friends

Yeah, just like the CS:GO pro teams, where people switched teams back and forth and boot camped together etc...

So, call me naive if you want, but I'd rather stick with the 'innocent until proven guilty' here.

Unfortunately I don't think that 'naive' is the right word here, i have to admit that right now I'm tempted to use way less favorable terms of description. Let me give you an analogy:

You leave your house, your car and all your other belongings unlocked, because you are sure that everyone is 'innocent until proven guilty' in Switzerland. There are probably dozens of thieves in prisons or on the run, but you chose to ignore this, because it is an inconvenient fact. The police are not doing their job at all, their system for catching criminals relies on citizens reporting burglars who got so mindlessly drunk in the houses of their victims that they passed out on the floor. If you dial 911 and report a criminal walking away from someone else's house with a nice flat screen TV everyone will tell you "It's OK, it might have been his TV after all". If someone is rich he can take whatever he pleases, because he has always been rich and why would he risk all his wealth by stealing. Rich people can't be criminals by definition. Everyone is innocent (until proven guilty) in Switzerland. Life is good.

Seems like you're on a mission here. Have fun.

Solid strategy - attack the person instead of their arguments. GJ.

I know, I got some solid internet skillz, don't I?

I'm kinda disappointed because I always thought you were one of the reasonable people within the community. Guess I was wrong.

Ain't nobody got time for pointless, boring posts about nothing.

you seem to have plenty of time though. Just sayin'

Not enough to write pointless walls of text about nothing.

Just one liners :)

I am when I see that communication works, but I don't think it's the case here. I wrote you what I consider a good reply (#112), and the form of what I got in response (#116) did piss me off. Your arguments might be valid and I see the logic you want to display here, but when your tones are the ones there, don't expect me to put effort in a discussion with you.

Also, sorry but I don't remember you, and all I can judge is this little exchange we have here. See what I notice: you make a shitty analogy using switzerland (not sure with what intent but obviously one point is that I am swiss) and two lines below you say I am the one attacking the person? Either you are trolling or you are mildly obtuse there, either ways that's a sign to end the conversation.

I'm happy to leave you disappointed by my replies, but in case you want a real discussion, start acting decent first.

I'm sorry if my post was ambiguous in some ways and did piss you off - I can only assure you that this was not intended.

The analogy is neither obtuse nor shitty - it personally relates to you and it has reasonable resemblance to the topic we were discussing:

People from Switzerland are commonly known to be very trustworthy and honest. Yet you take precautions and security measures because you know that even within such a community there are dishonest people. Therefore this would lead to the conclusion that "innocent until proven guilty" is not a very good concept to claim that a group of people has no 'criminal' members.

Concerning the meta level:
Maybe we have different understandings what makes a good reply, but to me #112 did ignore some of the points which were brought up earlier.

#116 is asking hard questions, the analogy might be easy to misunderstand (again: sorry for that) and some things could have been phrased way better, but calling me indecent is definitely uncalled for.

Well "inTherory", why argument against no argument? You summerized the credibility in your first sentence earlier:

- Based on the assumption

Yep, you know that assume makes an ass from you and me. Please leave your 1st year psychology 101 behind and listen to people who know rather than people who assume.

Anyone who ran a multigame LAN can tell you you would make the difference between CS, Quake, Trackmania, LoL and RTS players in within 1min of dealing with them. Yes, there is cultural differences between the communities. Yes there are cheaters everywhere, it doesn't make it an universally equally spread tendency.

So based on real facts, the so called "points which were brought up earlier" are just moo point and don't even deserve a read because they are only based on your own biased perception of human psychology and unjustified extrapolation of Buzzfeed level social behavior studies.

Otherwise it may be time for you to re-learn how to think.

Assumptions are part of any reasoning process, whether you like it or not. Your cute pun won't change a thing about that. If you think that this postulate is not true, I challenge you to refute it conclusively.

So based on real facts

Which facts exactly? Hearsay and anecdotal "evidence"?

For someone who dishes out like that, your own credibility and your own way of thinking leave a lot to be desired. Back to square 1, dear anon.

If it's a discussion on principles, I'd say there is nothing against taking all precautions (and in our case do everything to run cheat free competitions) while at the same time respect the individuals and consider them innocent until you have proof they are not. One thing does not exclude the other. In fact, they are the basic of a functional justice system.

Now to your prior questions:

1) What keeps a (pro) quake player from cheating?

That it's not necessarily easy to setup, that the process of installing them might fail, that the cheat could leave traces and show up as somebody else uses the machine, you name it. I guess it's down to how the cheat works. If your assumption is a perfect cheat, than the answer here is probably 'nothing'. Does that perfect cheat exist for quake? I don't know, but I wonder who would invest the energy of making it for a game that is as old and as niche oriented.

2) Which things are done to prevent cheating a) online and b) on LAN?

Online there is little one can do. On LAN it's more the mess of dealing with different PCs, of always having other people around, etc. If I recall correctly (xou can confirm) ESL during the intel extreme masters was somewhat more strict than other lans (you had to hand in a USB with your config, and you had limited access to the PC, and xou would help out sorting certain problems). Not sure though... I feel there is a lot that could be done, but currently I guess it's not that much.

3) Do you think that we have a good detection rate on cheaters?

If we talk about top 5 material, I would be very very surprised (and devastated) if any of them was cheating. If we extend to top 20, again it's very unlikely to me. Generally players have a feeling for fishy things, so if someone is cheating, he is keeping it to a very unnoticeable degree, at which point I would argue that the performance boost of it would also be reduced (it still sucks, but it would not be a ticket for the top place). If we extend to online cups and consider the top 100, then I would say yes, there can be cheaters, but I don't think that's too relevant to this discussion.

Overall, it's really hard to know. Maybe I am just fooled by my wishful thinking. If you know better make names. But until then, I find it a bit irresponsible to cast doubt about the scene just based on reasoning. It's a different game (I think cheating in CS is also much more effective than in Quake duel), it's just a handful of people.

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A lot of these things apply to any game or sport. But yes, it is less likely that some puts that much effort to create and implement a cheat into QL.
On the other hand it is probably not that hard to adapt a cheat from another game (with the same graphics API) to QL or to make a silent version of an existing cheat.
Currently there is no detection in place except for demo review?

ad 2)
I agree for online. For LAN however, I'd recommend a system where the player is literally limited to QL and everything else is setup by admins.

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That might depend strongly on who your top 5 are. If you take first 4 finishers from qcon, I'd be extremely surprised as well. If I look at the current QLRanks top 5 I'd still be surprised but considerably less so.
As for online cup top finishers I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were some kinds of cheats involved.
I don't know where to put ZeroQL exactly, but I think one could argue that he might have reached top 20 tdm easily, had he been more careful.

I think my main point here is this:
If we chose to forget or neglect the possibility of someone cheating, we may be supporting such dishonest behavior indirectly. I'd rather cast doubt upon the scene than to whitewash everyone a priori and thus even lower the risk of detection still.

Right. I think I get your point and agree.

Where I have a different view is the 'meta' of the discussion.

I would call the issue Macro vs Micro.

I stopped long ago to care about single fallacies (micro) in other people thinking. People may write poorly, have difficulty with the language, or even have confusion in their mind and not be able to express what they want in the correct way. Does that mean what they want to say has no value? I don't think so. What I try to care for is their motives, their experiences, their interest in the conversation etc (macro).

Running discussion at macro level allows you to appreciate more other human beings, at at the same time avoid situations in where you are perceived as an asshole.

I find micro level discussion tedious and silly. People get easily lost in irrelevant details and quickly come to the point where what only matter is who is right and who is wrong. Seeing the world as binary is ok if you are young and want to prove your intellect and your dominance in discussions. I've been there, I've done that, now I care more about the people behind all that, and which shade of gray they are.

Sorry if this was paternalistic and pedantic. But I guess you get why you previous post pissed me.

yes i get it now. sorry again and thank you.

who is right and who is wrong

for me personally it's rather a question of what is right. I guess this makes me micro-focused and people will perceive me as an asshole when combined with unpopular opinions. But that's ok: "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." as per Churchill :)

Yeah, but most of the money is in online cups. And there have been more than a few times big name players are playing out of their league (as evidenced by results on lan and comparing play).

The whole thing is really Evil.

'High rewards, no risks'

What game are you talking about? Ql? High rewards? You can not even remotely live from ql. in the end cheating motivation on this level is more often than not extrinsic. Low risks? You risk your reputation and ability to go to LAN (ok basically qcon) still.

You really think pleasure to win is what makes pro players cheat?

Yes, the pleasure of winning is one of the best known motivators. I'd even assume that the top level competitors of most sports are addicted to winning. Why do Tiger Woods, Roger Federer and Ronaldo continue competing? They sure as hell don't need the money. Best guess -> pleasure of winning / fame.

The risks are low because the chance of detection is approximately 0%. Unless a pro player pulls a "full sombra" the vast majority of the community would come up with any excuse so that they wouldn't have to face the inconvenient truth.

Again:
What makes it so hard to believe, that there is a pro player out there, just like ZeroQL but smart enough to hide it well?

Why is it so unthinkable that there is someone who sets their trigger bot delay to 150ms instead of 50ms and only uses it every other time?

At this point anyone with good movement and understanding of game mechanics can just make a new account, hax it up and win some money in online cups. If anyone is suspicious "I'm old russian CPM player lolol" and rely on the sheep to shout down any critical voices.
Sounds familiar?

I completely agree with you.

It doesn't matter if prize money is 100 or 100k. There's many different factors that can motivate people to cheat (as you mentioned: winning, bragging rights, self esteem, or even just 100 bucks...).

People have done way worse for way less. In fact, people rob people on the streets in the middle of the day for less than that (small reward with pretty big risk if you ask me...). If you ask any 'sane' person, they'd tell you that's the most retarded thing to do and why would anyone do/risk that. But guess what? There's still many that do it for whatever reason...

It's utteraly naive to think that "no pro" (in any game) cheats. For example with the current CS news (I play quite a bit of CS myself), there's literally no way to tell (even on LAN) if someone is using an aimbot that gives 10-20% aim increase. There's so many ways to load these cheats: via steam workshop, via cloud, via any type of internet access/download, USB Stick, etc... You can even have it loaded on your mouse or headset. These cheat's dont show up in any program list, are literally non-detectable.

And I'm sure there's cheats out there for quake that give a few percent aim increase (obviously not 10-20%) for rail and LG, that you couldn't even tell if you were sitting behind their screen. These "LAN Cheats" have such small FOV, such small increase in hits, but it's enough to give that 'edge', that extra 'confidence', etc...

Thinking that cheating is only going on in 'CS' (now with the current news) is as naive to think that doping is only going on in the cycling sport. There's dopers in every fucking sport. For all we know, a Lebron James, Messi, Hamilton, etc... could all be doped. Either because the controlling isnt as good and easy to bypass or because they are still "undetected", etc....

Thank you. Finally someone who uses their brain instead of repeating dogmas. Faith in humanity restored.

It's utterly retarded to think that

'It doesn't matter if prize money is 100 or 100k'

hes saying that some motives for cheating are not influenced by money in any way, therefore it would be naive to think that NOBODY would cheat for 100, just because its such a small sum in comparison to 100k

It sure is it just annoys me that people start arguments with points that noone made "noone cheats in ql" the point is that there are LESS cheaters in ql because prizepool DOES matter

Nobody said there is more or less cheaters in QL or CS or any other game, or that more money might not attract more cheaters, etc...

I only said it would be naive to think that people dont have many different types of reasons to cheat in any type of game. Money alone is definitely not the only factor for cheaters or the amount of cheaters in a game/sport. In Cycling almost everyone dopes (or at least used to dope), and I'm pretty sure that isnt the sport with the most money to be earned.

The reasoning of "more money = more cheaters" alone is just way too simple.

Ofc this is what it is about. in theory claimed that ql community is no different than cs community. And i claim it is different predominantly because of less moneys.

Lebron James in the first season they do HGH testing loses 30lbs of muscle and has his physical skills noticeably decrease. Still a great player, but he can't do anything he wants on the court anymore. With the Heat he could play any position and do it well. Not anymore.

Guy in Miami was busted running a ring for PEDs - LJ was the initials of one of the clients and the contact's name was Paul (aka: His agents name).

Indeed, for all we know....

Why don't you read my post before you post your answer? I simply stated that your idea of high rewards low risk does not apply to ql.
1.
If the only reward is to be considered top player in ql, then you put exactly that at risk if you cheat. You risk being a known cheater and it will follow you whatever game you plan on playing competitively. Therefore low reward, high risk.

2.
if there is serious money at stake the risk is the same but the reward is ultimately higher.

So this is my point. cheating is more likely when there is money at stake. argue with it. And not with your imaginary friend.

Also motivation to be the best != motivation to cheat

I read your posts - I answered. You didn't like the answer -> time to become aggressive?

cheating is more likely when there is money at stake.

True. I can't remember ever disputing that. But cheating also occurs when there is no money at stake. We all have that one friend who cheats when playing cards or when doing sports, when there is absolutely no money involved. Just for the bragging rights / pleasure of winning.

And not with your imaginary friend.

Lol. Anon is from your country, not from mine. What does that tell us?




Oh, and you forgot to answer these questions:

What makes it so hard to believe, that there is a pro player out there, just like ZeroQL but smart enough to hide it well?

Why is it so unthinkable that there is someone who sets their trigger bot delay to 150ms instead of 50ms and only uses it every other time?

Are they inconvenient to you?

I never remotely claimed that noone cheats. Thats why i won't argue these points. Hence the imaginery friend who seems to claim that noone cheats. I was a little more harsh not aggressive, but only since you implied that my post would have made you lose faith in humanity and such bs.

Edit: to sum it up, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that there are less cheaters in ql as compared to cs because there is less money at stake. This is the crucial difference.

I start to lose my faith in humanity when people argue the circular logic of
"no cheaters in QL, because QL players don't cheat" that was not aimed at you, btw.

Seems that our opinions are not that different after all.

Well, Evil has earned more than most Russians make in a year just from his online cups. Maybe it doesn't seem like a lot to you, but it really matters where you're from. And as already mentioned everyone in cycling at a pro level dopes. I actually know someone who was semi pro and put up some national qualifying times etc. He didn't go pro because he didn't want to do the drugs required.

It's not a huge money industry.

Most olympians are doping. You can believe otherwise if you want. Most of them don't receive jack or shit for their efforts beyond ego massage.

It doesn't really matter to the types of personalities likely to do it in the first place. It's a big reason why a lot of dishonest assholes seem to run things too in my estimation... because honest people just don't understand how dishonest people think and always want to assume the best if they somehow can identify with them. By the way, the intelligent dishonest people are well aware of this human condition and take advantage of it constantly.

I'll be honest though, in my estimation cheats for games like this are worse than steroids for other sports. At least in other sports the person is still executing the necessary skills (ie: Lebron James in basketball - obvious doper, but clearly amazing skills anyway).

These cheats take away much of the very skills that are the essence of the game. Doping helps but you still have to do things yourself and execute yourself. You don't have things executing for you.

http://www.esreality.com/post/1627195/sombra-banned-for-life/

we're talking about current players.

case in point, he won a eswc qualifier for duel among other things and played a whole lot of top level tdm :/

http://www.angelfire.com/me4/joeyadonis/

cheated on lan? how?

There are a number of ways to cheat on LAN. People have installed hacks on usb drives, even hiding them easily by naming them teamspeak.exe or something of that nature. Hell, people have replaced their mouse cpu's with custom ones that have hacks on them. I do remember a story (in cs 1.6) about a lan where a cheater could pressed a key and a pixel would change a slightly different color to reveal where the enemy was at through walls. Since it was just a pixel, it was extremely hard to see even when sitting behind the player.

A lot of the claims against the CS pro's suggest that the players store the files on Steamcloud or through Workshop (since they log on with their own accounts).

fucked up shit really.

so these cheats don't need admin rights to install?

maybe players were given admin rights, because it is impossible to cheat on LAN, so what's the worst that could happen, right?

this story sounds unreal

http://www.hltv.org/news/4408-top-10-players-caught-cheating

i mean part of story about hax in mouse cpu

I dont know how to link twitter conversations but NiP-friberg linked this post from HLTV

http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=135&userid=12...1#r6775194

:|

:l

Cheating, serious business.

That was really interesting to read about. That is, a cheat that is (supposedly) not detectable at all, ever, unless valve themselves got their hands on it to combat against it? At least, that's what the HLTV guy was claiming.

Hmm. Impressive.

its always been like this though. expensive private cheats just wont get detected. but i didnt expect a fifth of the pro's to be using it... and on lan's aswell.

also valve has never looked like they wanted to put too many resources on csgo. its just enough to keep servers going eventhough theyre unstable, just enough anti cheat to get the morons banned with their free hax found on google etc.
but nowhere near enough to call csgo a success. they rely on the community and overwatch as anticheat, and honestly, their server infrastructure is rocky at best and the game is just sluggish and buggy more often than not. seems like they put the most effort into skins and selling map packs.

so yeah, im not impressed by valve and this esea at all. the only reason the banhammer is going round is because 1 cheater or someone affiliated with that bunch started to speak up, its the only logical explanation :>

if quake was much much bigger and prize money reached the likes of $250.000, we would have to deal with a major increase in cheaters aswell. and most likely, quake would run into the exact same issue csgo is having right now.

Good thing QL can't handle 1k players.

mentally timing items, speaking to teammates, etc

Yeah I am also wondering how they can cheat on LAN without being caught?

I think it would be wise for the "pro" players in the know to spread who is cheating anonymously. This way on LAN people will be more attentative on who could be cheating.

tahts not even a news article rather a blog post from the salties faggot crZy : /
+ smN himself said he didnt name those guys as cheaters he just said someo f the current top players cheated

Not sure if I believe his statement.

Anyway, I'm not the one saying that these guys cheat, but maybe now Valve will be forced to do something. At least give a statment about cheats in the Steamcloud.

what is CS?

The game that started this website?

what?

aimbotting in quake is easily spottet when on rail and lg, okay, you can have autofire on rail, set on some accuracy i guess, but get close, with rocket, and movement is such a big part, cheating wont help you against my rockets obliterating you.. yes, wallhack in duel, but lans :/

I might be naive about the cheating. I can see wallhack being useful in ctf maybe, but good communication will demolish cheating team any day anyway. Cheating in quake is just not enough to win, at all really, you still require lots of skill. Even en duel, most pros would win against a 100pct rail aimbot imo. Says something about how a good game is built and balanced.

aimbotting in quake is easily spottet when on rail and lg

no, unfortunately not. it's only easy to spot the idiots, who overdo it or pull some kind of sombra.

what about aimbot on rockets?

I might be naive about the cheating. I can see wallhack being useful in ctf maybe, but good communication will demolish cheating team any day anyway. Cheating in quake is just not enough to win, at all really, you still require lots of skill. Even en duel, most pros would win against a 100pct rail aimbot imo. Says something about how a good game is built and balanced.

Yes, but your argument misses the point, because it assumes that the cheater always has way less skill to begin with. Even with every cheat in the world I couldn't beat Cypher, but give a 60% aimbot to a semi-pro player like demon or ins and suddenly they'll easily beat everyone else.

Lance Armstrong didn't win the Tour de France several times because he was a slow couch potato who doped a lot. He won because he was a good cyclist to begin with and doped on top of that (better than his competitors).

give

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=OGC

http://snag.gy/msa4u.jpg

so which one i download?

the one at the bottom. ;)

this demo might interest you

take from it what you will....

I like the moments were he just hover his aim around strenx and waits until his bot takes over. Hes using every dirty code in the book except movement-scripting I guess.

lol, i like how he puts it on overdrive cause he was losing. this fellow has some mental issues.

I love it how nigga had to go full cheatard to barely win

took strenx enough time to realize there was something fishy

I would smash these kind of vermins' each and every limbs into smithereens. <3

what a fucking shit bag. i see he has a Romanian flag.. why cheat? we only have a handful of players left to begin with

He rarely plays on .ro servers, I invited him to come to our lans but he denied the invitation :( ..

That one's a very special individual and he's posting here a lot too under the names kkk or daddy

[+] for "special".

"zoot unpure .pk3 file detected"

cheater confirmed

Ha, I was wondering why this looked familiar until I saw myself in the spectators.

imagine one of our top5 would be caught i dont think id recover from the emotional trauma

Rapha's bible hacks don't count.

this?

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

.

hoo boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMKnEalbqvU

whats that pistol shot about? need to turn on wh with that demo and see if theres a dude in his crosshair :>

doesn't cypher play for titan? hmmmm

75% rail at qcon? hmmmm

sf from pepsilon is now banned, too :o

Not only that, several players clearing out their inventories, afraid of the VAC yo. Talk about throwing in the towel before getting busted.

Who are these players?

the french ScreaM ))))

kioshima cleared his inventory, said he's been hacked on several places, nice timing yo.

apparently both chrisJ and tabseN too, and kennyS made his inventory private so you can't check anymore, though it was public yesterday morning.

Haha, this is just great.

What does it mean that they have cleared their inventories?

They're afraid of losing their accounts because of a VAC ban.

Apparently they sold their stuff (I think you can't do that once you get banned).

More likely traded to another account or a friend. But still yes.

get your popcorn ready B)

rekt

But not very surprising. Cheat devs are always one step ahead of the anti-cheat devs, and sometimes they are even developing both :p

this shit is so damn entertaining, and i dont even give a tit about csgo :>:>

How can people use a forum that is laid out like that? It's an eternal fucking column with next to no sense of progression nor reply, the name of a poster doesnt stand out, nor whom they are replying to. It's just fucking painful. Spoilt by the reasonably sane layout of ESR I guess...

Yeah, it's ridicuolus. Can't read more than 5 comments or something.

ESR comment threading system is the fucking best, bar none. In the old days you'd have more sites like that. Now it's just a confusing mess. People got lazy with design. :/

It's not lazy it's "modern" or even "futuristic" Kreygasm

I'd argue that Reddit's system is a bit better, but really the apex in sites practicity seems to have been reached between 2000-2005, and now it's all a downfall.
It's not really lazyness, more an obsession about "originality", "creative design", "more is better", and not giving a single fuck about the user's experience.

reddit's karma system encourages circlejerking while the default order by upvotes makes it difficult to see new posts.

On the other hand, you have the possibility to plus as many user posts as you want, or to downvote them as well.

Also the plussing is anonymous, wich is a crucial aspect to make sure users feel free to upvote even controversial unpopular opinions if they feel like it. This is probably esr plussing sysyem's main defect.
Many users here don't plus if the opinion or the poster are controversial because they would look bad in doing it.
That's a worse kind of circlejerk.

Dont talk for many users if you mean yourself ; D

Actually, i'm the one that plusses a post without even watching who wrote it.
You probably cannot say the same, and it isn't debatable that the majority of the users here cannot, either.

Plusses should be anonymous. And not varying in size (or not that much)

Reddit on esr would suck dick.
Esr is the best esr.

I can not there are people who i would most likely never plus. That wouldnt change with anonymous plussing though. You claim the majority of users would click on the % to see who plussed. I cannot imagine that as i couldnt care less what people give their plusses for.

I once plussed hitsu.

#thuglyfe

Nah.

Now that i think about it, esr is exactly as difficult to see new posts since they all end on the bottom anyway.
The Reddit problem is that you have 15000+ reply threads, but in a site like esr, where the most popular, week-old thread runs around the 200 replies, it wouldn't change anything, you'd still scroll to the bottom to read all.
But i think the chronological order is better for a site like this one.
It's only the Reddit plussing system that is arguably better.

niet

"Many users here don't plus if the opinion or the poster are controversial because they would look bad in doing it."

besides disagreeing with your opinion I think you should speak for yourself

It is a known fact. Apparently it bothers really much to admit it, but it's always been like that, and many people here never plus without watching the name before.
Also a popular name will get plussed even if he just says ordinary things that have already been said countless times.

It's not that bad, but it's like that, and that's the way it is. Esr is a circlejerk.

With rough edges.

facts/10

They were using cheats on lans lol

One would assume the event organisers do things to prevent that. Oh well...

Found this gem on hltv:

Also I fully agree with what he said about todays cheaters (who use top notch private hacks). They are stupid as fuck, mostly 17-21 year old fat kids who don't really understand the "principle of cheating". Back then the cheating legends (like XS1CHT) knew exactly what they were doing and even though they were also scum, they still had some kind of "honor" (hard to explain).

I don't even... ;)

hilarious

Cheating is a skill.

saying that the old cheating legends at least bothered to write their code?

What's worse than cheaters are all the randoms coming out of their ratholes and accusing pros based on a fucking youtube video without ever watching or even considering the actual ingame demo.
Same happened with serious. People love to whitchhunt. Guess it makes them feel better about their own pathetic life. Am I right, Intheorynap?

who was right about serious in the end, emoFXfag?

Ye, but I still think serious aim was clean) regardless of his selfbust). Not gonna argue with you about that, as you clearly have no clue.
Just reading ur statements above gave me cancer :/. Like yeah ql players are known cheaters on lan because it can't be true someone like tox hits 50lg. Oh and while we are at it each and everyone is filled to the brim with adderall and cocaine and uses a customized lan hack for 800 bucks.

xDDD

Seems like someone rustled your jimmies - inconvenient ideas and facts?

reading ur statements above gave me cancer

Good. Two birds one stone and so on.

I'm a tox fanboi. gg no re.

u r both fagz

join us in a threesome homo? ;)

the best hting by far learned from that site: swaghetti_yolonese is one of the best nicks ever

Agreed! :D

hahahahah, that is pure gold :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wSHV5L0DY&a...p;t=21m50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwkA_PUt9W8&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvyzyyMetJo&feature=youtu.be

fnatic is not gonna be making any money this dreamhack winter, lol :>

i find it hilarious how many people on hltv still defend pro players with the behavior shown in the video's above. god what a retarded bunch of people on hltv.org \o/

Like you have any idea about cs :D

First vid you can hear the scope in the demo and he doesn't even flick on his head.
That's what I mean about people judging someone based on a youtube video )).
I've watched most of the clips now and at first I found most of it rather LEL hax but in each and everyone he's most likely taking his mouse of the pad and adjusting it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h30P7br2Sg&t=11m37s
Same mouse skip and no enemy insight)

And when someone posts this
http://gfycat.com/FittingCapitalCranefly#
as evidence than you know that said person is rather dumb and has never played cs.

I'm not saying he is clean but 50% of the posted stuff is just non sense. So yeah keep watching youtube vids and jump the hype train)

There's no defending that dust clip. I mean I never thought flusha cheated, I still hope he doesn't, but that clip is suspicious as fuck. We'll just have to wait and see if he gets the vac boot or not.

Which dust clip do u mean? The one where he jumps to lower tunnels?

Ah no, the one where he fires through the box. Yet having seen it in 128tic, is not as blatant.

Yeah at first glance it's suspecious as hell but after reviewing the demo myself I noticed that he heard the enemy scoping and reacted to that. And there was no aimlock either :/.
I just checked the lower tunnels scene too and even their the ch doesn't align or lock on the enemy. Still not saying he's clean but most of the stuff is explainable and knowing that he has a rather slow sense you can see when he lifts and readjusts the mouse.

No idea about the inferno scene tho. Don't know enoigh about csgo spray/demo mechanics to comment on that. But this one in particular is really weird :/

ur linking clips where nothing is happening and defending a cheater. not really sure what ur trying to do there ;p

sure people pick up their mouse and readjust them, but that doesnt mean u can ignore my post entirely and pretend i know nothing about csgo. also, youtube clips from live matches are funny enough more reliable than a low tick demo where animations are miles off.

the mirage clip is retardedly obvious. the dust clip is very suspicious, and the inferno clip on slowmotion is very suspicious aswell.

but, no vac ban, yet. we will have to see what valve will do this week or if theyre gonna hold off for a while longer. i refuse to believe the current 3 people who went on vacation will be the last.

That inferno clip is really fucking weird, because the ch snaps back to the guy standing behind and he didn't even realize that an enemy was there :/.
Guess I just can't believe someone could cheat on a major tournament unnoticed.

Can't valve hurry up and ban some more players? I find the game horrible to play but the drama is GREAT!

i suspect that theyre waiting til after dreamhack. the event is the biggest ever and banning more than half the teams will make dreamhack lose money.

so its kind of amusing to see fnatic go to the event, maybe even win it, get rewarded with a vac ban or two, and obviously not getting any money.

They should do it during dreamhack, imagine "x has been banned" during a live match on stage :DD

that would be sick and would acutally make me watch some CS without snoring

lmao

that will have a major drawback, it's like being gay and landing a kiss on young mike tyson on speed drugs

uh wait what? :P

its a lose/lose situation anyway for dreamhack. although this whole cheater scandal does give csgo alot of attention...
its still very weird how its gone all quiet though. but maybe later tonight something will happen, considering valve is based in murica!?

We need a cheaters tournament! Who has the best haxxx wins!

Since the already caught cheaters weren't champions, regular tournaments already are about has the best hacks.

lol

the first tournament where zhu stands a chance :D

i want to see a vac ban during the dh finals.

CS:GO 5 Players versus 5 Cheaters : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8J5q_oUW2Q

More cheater stuff, interview with a cheat coder)))

http://csgo.99damage.de/de/interviews/23269-f...ays-it-all

edit: read it, nothing new really :P tldr: coders make $$$, some cheats undetectable for years, ~30 pro players using cheats (guess), DH will not be cheat free, ~10k using one of the most common non-private cheats (so 1 in 20 players playing or so? for just this one cheat), best hax is a phone app, the anon coder is probably ko1n lol

so he's stirring drama to make even more $$ ?

I wouldn't believe a word from smn, kqly, zhu or whoever

probably, I dont really care. I need more drama!!!

http://www.hltv.org/news/13670-hacker-dhw-will-not-be-cheat-free

so, we need to switch to consoles ;p

http://www.hltv.org/match/2293550-fnatic-brav...inter-2014

detrony vs fat cheaters

So Detrony is like some oneman band? Plays every game title?
And fnatic is not cheating //Fnatic fanboy

for lan at least...

the organization should provide all equipment... mice, head sets.
it has to be handed in after every match.

a usb drive maybe that holds a lan specific account that isnt stored on steam so it can't be accessed by anyone other than event admins. which is never handled by the player or team. there would be a specific team to go around and "install" the accounts only when the players are playing.

detrony top1 np

Fnatic just cheated on a LAN (dreamhack).

yeah, that god boost in ct spawn on overpass is something else. scumbags sat on that exploit for two months. amazing.

And that flusha guy playing in the team don't make things better either. More and more youtube clips of him are being posted were the content is very questionable.

so basically, map will be replayed since dreamhack said that there's no rules on pixelwalking in the rulebook, but last time that pixel walking was illegal was the summer dreamhack event. :D

esports is a joke.

*fnatic is a joke.

more like, esports is. first thing i read about fnatic's map breaking exploit is redeye calling it a ballsy move.

Mad much?
If there would be small ledge they could stand on - shit would be legit.
Dirty? Yes. Scummy? Maybe? Dumb as fuck? Hue.
Legit? Yup.

Fortunately there was nothing to stand on so fnatic were just hopping for not getting banned/disqualified.
There will be rematch or something.
Where's the "joke"?

the joke is them not being disqualified and no pixel walk rule suddenly disappearing from ruleset (+ ruleset not even being public). just watch the videos. they did it every single round.

swedish organisation ruling in favor of a swedish team. it's a joke that they didn't get insta dq'd. also, flusha could really use a ban for wh ever since that ESL lan. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcmRR0zsYBo&feature=youtu.be)

Again, if there would be proper slope, good for them.

: )

i fail to see how replaying a map that fnatic won based on rules that are not written is "swedish organisation ruling in favor of a swedish team".

Where's the "joke"?

This shit is not supposed to happen on so-called self-proclaimed "competitive level".

Imagine tour de France with some bloke sporting a scooter and riding past the cyclists, exploiting some sort of rule which forgot to mention that no internal combustion engines are allowed.

It would make the whole run look insanely stupid and would degrade it's importance.

This is why esport still has a long and hard way to become something important or relevant.

What's your stance on this? ;))))

Can't say much about nuke defuse, when I started playing leagues, defusing through walls was against the rules (think it was ESL or CAL). Rules mentioned nuke defuse specifically.
As a result some leagues tried to force a rule where boosting was illegal as well.

I think it's a game exploit and even though it's creative and fun, it belongs to pub servers.

Esl forbid pipe surfing on nuke because it allowed someone to silently rush lower and that was a huge advantage. Esl sucked big time when it came to "rules" ;).
Imo stuff like this is game enhancing and makes it both more enjoyable to play and watch.
Heck, people tried to fix russian walking because it broke the game...

That's why no one sane will watch 100 guys pedaling 24/7 :)

mad kids everywhere, its hilarious :D People hating on fnatic so much no matter what they do people will find something wrong about it lol. MmmMMMMmm delicious tears!

tbh, only swetards can defend fnatic after what they just done. i bet you campaign for zhu's unban on ql as well.

not a fan of fnatic in general, but that boost was cool.
accidentally double img

like i said, only swetards can support fnatic.

And all they do is replaying the map afterwards, instead of disqualifying fnatic.

What do lurpisse and esdf have in common?








Mangina :)))))

at least I don't have sand in it unlike you :)

also, sorry i don't condone cheating. so silly of me.

Me neither. I didn't see a cheat, did you?

edit: also for your viewing pleasure, a whole thread of fnatic players, http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comme...th_interp/

and a cute video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W5Wtzhl7Js

edit2: for further education on what kind of cheats these people use and why it's possible to do it on lan: http://www.hltv.org/news/13670-intera-dhw-will-not-be-cheat-free

edit3: http://www.hltv.org/forum/689053-fnatic-statement if that wasn't a cheat i wonder why they withdrew. desperate attempt to save face.

From the statement-read: "For questions and comments, please contact [email protected]."

ROFL

Ye, flusha probably did cheat after 200k, admins and other players specced every move from him. Are you really that dumb?
You fit to hltv.org and reddit) Never played cs but big talk about a pro player using cheats on a lan after that whole incident. Grow a brain.

So unless flusha has the biggest balls on earth and an hack in his mouse/keyboard it seems highly unlikely he did cheat.

man, learn something about new cheats please :) they're downloaded through workshop, and undetectable if you set them right. they don't show anything on screen etc. i mean kqly and sf got banned just few days before this dreamhack for cheating, and they got banned only because of poor cheat settings :)

also, i play quite a lot of csgo, but hey if you say i don't then i probably don't.

are you really that dumb? =)

Oh really? Thx for telling me because that's news to me :O. I thought they'd still use esp and spinhack on lan. Fuck, cheats really improved over time :OOOOOO.

There was an interview with a former cheat maker posted on reddit before and he talked about how they used cheats and got away with them and also how many proplayers there is that cheats. He claimed that there are about 30-40 cheaters in the pro scene, and about 5 of them in Germany.

I can try to find it again if you want to read it.

EDIT: Also the cheat gets autoinstalled when he logs in to hes account, So even if he just starts up the game he will get the cheat installed without anyone noticing. They can sit right next to him and not see anything because there is no sign of him installing the cheat.

okay, so theres a possibility flusha cheated, and there are some really strong suggestions that he did, but its impossible... because its unlikely?

wtf do u know, u dont even play csgo as much as emofx and dont have a fnatic dick up your ass so you can't possibly think with your own head.

http://gfycat.com/ShabbyShockingGermanshepherd
http://gfycat.com/CriminalBriskBallpython

and there's situations like these where he aimlocks multiple times on same map, hell... even on same round at times. he probably just triggers the aimbot at times to get a rough estimate on where the enemy is.

I said it it is fairly unlikely for flusha to cheat at dhw 2014 given the precautions or do you really think noone checked and watched over his shoulder ;).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGb48bYyj20#t=4m47s

even if they'd watch over his shoulder they wouldn't see anything on screen. what's your point really? thanks for the video, 1 guy in a team of 5 isn't totally convinced that fnatic cheats.

i think everyones at dreamhack has checked the cheat clips of him too and have only found some really strong suggestions that he cheats. not sure why you would like me a clip of a guy saying that his teammates are assured he cheated

I linked it because he said valve made sure noone cheats at dhw2014 (and I weigh that a bit more than intheroy's paranoia) and voila he still had the same patterns. So either he is the smartest cheater of all time or he just might be clean (what I assume)
Someone should get his 1.6 demos and look for the same stuff.
Anyway done arguing.

or his style (low sens) and his aim locking method of wallhacking are similar, so he can still be a cheater. i also wouldnt count it out that nobody cheated at dreamhack, dispite their 'efforts'. valve's vac is borderline useless also. esea is apparantly better at it, which is why certain cheaters dont enter their tournaments.

just my 2 cents.

Well, sadly vac has always been shit and I doubt this will change in the future. I think next week is esea lan. Guess we'll see how well they perform).

How exactly is cloud9's opinion my paranoia? Last time i checked i was not on the c9 roster and I can't remember giving any interviews either.

As I said early - you wouldn't even see a cheat if you found your girl naked in bed with another dude.

http://gfycat.com/RegularPoorGlassfrog#?speed=0.5

I posted that clip because of hiko's statement regarding valve.
And why the fuck are you posting a olofm gif when the discussion is about flusha?
You seem to be a little dense.

cause hes got identical dodgy moments, ie, using the same hacks ;p

I posted that clip because of hiko's statement regarding valve.

GJ avoiding the question, brotato.

And why the fuck are you posting a olofm gif when the discussion is about flusha?

The discussion is now about flusha and olof. deal with it.

You seem to be a little dense.

You ARE very dense.

https://gfycat.com/WellwornReadyChameleon

What is supposed to be suspicious in this gif?

i guess, that "he" shot in the moment, when he started turning in the opposite direction.

Why would spamming a shot before turning be an indication of cheating?

doesn't look too natural to spam a shot, while you swipe over to the other side, to check that part of the map.
looks like a shot was released, rather than shooting consciously.

Check the slowmo link I posted below, he fires before swiping, not while swiping. But even if that wasnt the case - what would the cheat be doing? Firing a shot when an enemy comes into your sight regardless of what you are looking at? He doesn't hit the ct so...

lol, this is the only gif that makes it almost obvious.
Still, maybe he did this to scare off the guy in the corridor to have some time to check behind the corner? Sounds smart in theory. I don't play CS:GO so dunno.

really? how about this gif: http://gfycat.com/HighHandsomeFreshwatereel

or how about this one, where he kills a guy and then automatically locks on to a head of a player behind the wall:
http://gfycat.com/FemaleFixedGrizzlybear

I don't play CS so I'm not going to comment on every gif, but I know what prediction is from quake. Your second gif is an obvious overflick where he wanted to aim at the corner (which is where you want to be aiming). He doesn't even go for the head...

why is everyone implying an aimbot always aims at the head?

Where should it aim? At the balls like in this gif? This is CS and everyone aims at the head, aimbot or not.

Now watch it in slowmo - see the snap on the model and then move upwards towards the head before it leaves the target instantly.

explanation A) He was over flicking, landed randomly on the (hidden) enemy model, randomly moves towards the (hidden) head and then moves the CH to the corner where he wanted to aim all along.

explanation B) Aim-Assist was on for too long.

C) Good game sense!

rofl there is no doubt in my mind they cheated, 100.000%

Hell, if you'd found a video of your girlfriend getting tag teamed by 3 dudes on youporn, you'd probably say:

That's not cheating, because she wouldn't dare with the camera man and so many people on the internet watching. Also if you watch the demo, you'd clearly see that it is completely normal.

tbf what they did was not completely against the rules (still it's exploiting a bug so they were cheating what the game was meant to be). There was no rule against standing on pixels.
OFC that position could be abused against the rules as it could not be hit from some specific spots, that weren't used tho, plus you could see through some walls (it was not that case in game tho).
So yeah, it was against the spirit of the game for sre, and it wasn't the game as it was meant to be... And it was probably over the line rules-wise as well, but frankly it could have worked and it was a nice try in a desperate situation by fanacheat.

Edit: also seing the other dudes going away basically crying was spectacular, i r8 8/8 m8

This guy should get a custom skin for his pitchfork :D

Fnatic apparently forfeit the LDLC game? They're already making mad c4$H from stickers but this doesn't make any sense, unless the organization forced them to

also

who is that?

olof

This guy : http://gfycat.com/RegularPoorGlassfrog#?speed=0.5

What should I do with the case I got dropped during the finals? Do they normally rise or decline in prize?

Isn't it possible to check price history of items? It will obviously be hard for a new one but check other items and have a look would be my advice!

They usually go down at first, but rise again in time.

CS is and always will be a game for bitch-made kids filled with drama.

that overpass trick was cool and the other team figured out the counter (although too late). it's the maps fault, fix it or remove it from the pool next time if people get so butthurt, but bitching at pro-players for abusing it is stupid.

pixelwalking ban is the dumbest rule in FPS history. if it's not out of bounds, who cares? besides you can pixelwalk on lots of ledges that are otherwise accessible by default.

Pixelwalking wasn't actually in the Dreamhack Winter 2014 rulebook. That boost would've been allowed if it wasn't for the fact that it gave immortality to the boostee from various angles, that is what made Dreamhack admins request that Fnatic replay the match or forfeit.

I have to agree about CS being full of drama. Last week people were bitching about Fifflaren under performing and then celebrating that he had been replaced with Maikelele, this week they're trying to get rid of Flusha and are not going to stop with the amount of shitposting they do on HLTV, the worst part is that they are actually drawing out responses from Flusha and Fnatic which will only fuel them further. Depressing.

And that's the best part of CS : ))

Yeah I dont see a problem with the way DH handled the boost on overpass. It broke the map and ruined the chances of the T side. No big deal LDLC went to the finals, infact I expected no less.

And HLTV is full of morons, that much is true. But, Flusha and OlofM are both cheating or cheated in the past. It just takes some time before VAC catches up, or for Valve to get inside information and manually ban them. But yeah, a large number of video's some HLTV nabs are pushing as evidence, are not actually proof of anything. For me its all about the dust/inferno/mirage clips, they are about as dodgy as it gets, and would get a skilled unknown banned straight away.

I sincerly believe flusha cheated 99.9...%

:D

Well I didn't think I'd have to do this but since some people here manage to still not be convinced that flusha is cheating I have a txt where I've saved every fishy situation with flusha and his "aimlocks".


https://gfycat.com/InfatuatedSeriousGalapagoshawk

http://gfycat.com/RemoteGrimIchidna

http://gfycat.com/HighHandsomeFreshwatereel

https://gfycat.com/EvenConfusedHellbender

http://gfycat.com/CloudyWhichAntelopegroundsquirre..

https://i.imgur.com/PwS5msu.gif

http://gfycat.com/AcceptableAfraidChamois#?speed=0.25

http://gfycat.com/FittingCapitalCranefly

http://gfycat.com/IgnorantNextBaboon

http://gfycat.com/PerfumedIllfatedBats

http://gfycat.com/CriminalBriskBallpython#?speed=0.25

http://gfycat.com/FoolishPowerfulBlackfish#?speed=0.25

http://gfycat.com/FemaleFixedGrizzlybear#?speed=0.5

http://gfycat.com/InconsequentialRightCrossbill#?speed=0.25

http://i.imgbox.com/teaawjT2.png

Ok after reviewinga couple of those gifs aren't from DH, point remains though.

and this is why the excuses by fnatic players are starting to roll out. preperation to disband or change the clan. i find it hard to believe the management doesnt know whats going on, that is if they didnt supply the hacks in the first place. they WILL get some players (flusha+olofm) banned at some point. its all about damage control and keeping the fnatic brand in the clear right now. the players themselves have massive ego's and for them to act like victims is about as transparent as it gets. 'the game is not fun anymore' 'the community witch hunt is insanity' yeah right, haha.

ps; hltv users are legit retarded though, flusha is just using that community weakness.

Not exactly an expert but if this is not cheat then what the hell is it?

Tracking heads through walls was instaban in cs:s

$16000 headset that makes noise when people walk.

And $200 worth of gamer food.

i think i could do the same for evil :D
for strenx was already made kinda

Some of it does looks fishy, especially the first time looking at it. But why can't people youtube it? 1-3 second gifs without sound, on 16 tickrate or whatever which is about as accurate as quake on 400ping, is a really shit way to judge someone. I cba to download demos, but IM SURE everyone else has who are convinced has ^^

I'm gonna play the devil's advocate for a while just for the hell of it :D inb4 swede fu lol xD le redit

While it's still possible its cheat, he does move his mouse that way a lot and sometimes its not over someones head. And like in some thread I read, imagine if he does that low sens turn 10 times in a game (although probably more) and he plays perhaps 200 games or more in a year, that's over 2000 moves like that and out of that people have found 15 moves that end up hovering the xhair over a enemy model for 0.5 seconds or less.

If I was this super ultra mega coder making a cheat that could fit into flushas mouse (14kb or less), that could by pass every know anti-cheat, some of swedens top it-dudes hanging around helping out at DH and the last min security measures DH took that the players and the coder didn't know about before, plus having some minimum 200k spectators during the event with everyone who can be bothered only reviewing this flusha guy, I wouldn't make the aimkey fucking lock directly on the enemy models lmao. Especially not the head. I'd make the aimkey purposely miss the models while staying close enough to let me know where the enemy is, because the user is only intending to use it to gather enemy locations, not while actually shooting them with the aimkey. Also has it been decided which enemy model it locks onto yet? Closest? Top fragger? Biggest gun? Lowest hp?

But whatever, like I said before playing the devil's advocate I cba to download demos and decide for my self so I will let the 1337 experts decide for me and enjoy whatever the outcome is with a snus and some julmust. YOLO

Going through some of this...

Some of it does looks fishy, especially the first time looking at it.

And the second and third times? How do you explain it?

he does move his mouse that way a lot and sometimes its not over someones head.

So you are saying that an argument against him cheating is the fact that he's not aiming at his enemies' heads through walls EVERY TIME HE MOVES HIS MOUSE BY MORE THAN 40 DEGREES? What kind of argument is that? He isn't a 12-year old kid who just downloaded his first hack.

he plays perhaps 200 games or more in a year, that's over 2000 moves like that and out of that people have found 15 moves

In the post you are replying to, dem0n gave links to roughly a dozen of those scenes coming from only the most recent tournament. Your point doesn't make any sense.

hovering the xhair over a enemy model for 0.5 seconds or less.

The cheat is intended to quickly snap to the enemy's head in order to work as a wallhack. Obviously it's not supposed to linger there. There would be no advantage in that and it would be much more obvious. Your argument is, again, null.

I wouldn't make the aimkey fucking lock directly on the enemy models lmao. Especially not the head. (...) because the user is only intending to use it to gather enemy locations, not while actually shooting them with the aimkey.

He does, as the gifs show, sometimes use the cheat in order to actually shoot through walls or smoke in situations where it can be considered logical to spam there. By also using it this way his cheat has two purposes: Wallhack for information AND guided spam shots. If he's confident he won't get caught, which he quite obviously was, using the hack to full advantage makes sense.

inb4 swede fu lol xD le redit
1337 experts
YOLO

Umm, yeah.

Sorry I really cba to play the devil's advocate too much, not right now anyway you'll have to continue on reddit. You seems very convinced anyway so no point asking you to question things, kinda like converting religious people =) But I always think its healthy to question stuff I see. Some people will probably get banned and I'll get my popcorn, its all gud.

On a more serious note, what is really bad (of dreamhack and I guess the CS community) is that they allow players who have been banned in the past to play at dreamhack, like krystal and pimp (he did play right?). That's the biggest problem with CS, people can cheat and comeback. There have been no hate towards those players in this tournament, because they are not cheating right now (or did they? DUN DUN DUN). It's good that people try to find current cheaters but they can't just forget about the ones already caught.

There's nothing wrong with taking his side for the sake of argument. I just wanted to point out that most of the arguments you put forward were nonsensical and simply distracting from the real discussion.

I shouldn't outright assume that this is what you intended, though. Given you filled your post with stupid memes, it felt like it. Anyway, thanks for the ad hominem attack.

Yeah idk, I wrote that kinda fast :p But basically lots of the stuff that get posted is just confusing and its too bad its mostly just gifs that doesnt show the whole situation with sound. Like a gif of pronax that looked fishy but if you take a second look (even if it was a gif) you could tell the enemy made a sound, but someone with 0 experience just looking at it will instantly call it cheat. Didn't mean to sound personal, tired plus long day finished of by melting my brain reading some hltv and reddit messed with my head :) Not really in the mood for this topic though, hltv gave my brain aids so not gonna touch cs for a while lol. I just wish some others out there would question stuff more, or maybe they do but they can't be heard :)

and yes, I'm not very serious about this stuff hence the yolo)

Oh now you are also an expert at counterstrike. You and intheory have a lot in common)

very good argument. Lots of convincing content in your posts lately.

I particularly liked the combination of these two posts of him:

I linked it because he said valve made sure noone cheats at dhw2014 (and I weigh that a bit more than intheroy's paranoia)

Well, sadly vac has always been shit and I doubt this will change in the future.

In conclusion, he thinks that the company with the shitty anti-cheat software can make sure no private cheats are used on LAN. Yeah, that makes complete sense.

is evil cheating?

I dunno what to make of this. While I think he was cheating in the past to have the same kind of dodgy stuff at the most recent lan is wierd.

I mean everybody had their eyes on flusha and most people are convinced he is cheating.

Do you really think he would have the courage to use the same hack while all the people are on a "witch hunt" on him?

This is the only thing that kinda is making everything wierd now. I don't think he would have the courage to cheat at this recent lan, but then maybe him and olof are that crazy.

Just imagine with the heads up that Dreamhack had that they would have caught them while playing. That woud be crazy lol. Do you guys honestly think they would risk that much?

much like lance armstrong winning doped the tour de france 7 times when everyone was on to him for doping. He kept doping "providing with every blood or urine sample they required for testing" and kept mantaining his usual form "proving he is clean". but truth was he knew he was not going to get caught...

Same with flusha... he might kept cheating last event with everyone watching to prove that he plays the same even in the "most secure anti cheat tournament", but it could be that he knew he wasn't going to get caught so he cheated anyway...

sorry for my english, all theese present perfect continous in futere events verb tenses make me fuck up everytime

its different in pro sports. Everybody are using forbidden substances there while gaming is not in such a state yet.

It's OK, English is a messed up language.

I think they are both a) stupid enough to do that and b) cowardly enough to try. At this point they are not risking anything, their careers are over because of how obvious it is that they cheat. They don't have the balls to come clean and so the only logical (in their mind) thing to do is just carry it on as long as they can. If they stop cheating it will be obvious how worse they are so they are playing it out. They fucked up and now are in a position with sponsors, a team, teammates fans and serious-money tournaments. They're in way over their heads.