Does he still plays? Why should we fund him?

now a demo against a good player :DDD

I'm not impressed.
With that kind of play, cooller would shred him to bits playing with his feet.

why would he invest his own money, so he can fly to america and play some computer games?

He wouldn't invest his own money?

top players have problems with finding sponsors, so how he could find one?? unless you're going to pay for his trip.

that's what the thread is about isn't it? It'll cost about 2700$ for plane ticket plus hotel, I would be willing to put up half and the rest is small money even if only 10 people or so donate.
Hopefully he'd practice a bit before the tournament though. He was playing a bit yesterday so he isn't completely inactive.

if you feel like wasting your money. i doubt many people will actually donate more than few euro.

Nice definition of small money : ))))
*goes back to eating raw potats*

2700$ is a little bit much isn't it?

yeah what flight and hotels are you calculating with?

I calculated with the cheapest flight (10000SEK) and the official hotel (about 7500SEK). That is 2700$. Dollar isn't worth much anymore. Could maybe find a bit cheaper hotel of course.

I'm not planning on going there so I wasn't calculating at all, just thought 2,7k sounded a bit much.

Well, if you consider the state of the American Economy...

bwahahha

I would donate

Sure why not ask Thresh, it's about as useful.

i heard hes kinda rich and with his quake backround

might be a chance!!

he won't beat cypher, or rapha, or evil, or dahang

so you'd basically fund an old pro who can't practice enough to catch up and who'd finish in the top 8

save your money and throw it at the next quake lan, with a few more donations (like dreamhack winter 2013) you'll get europe top 16 instead of one rusty legend

It's true that Dreamhack would probably be a better tournament than Quakecon but Dreamhack 2014 is pretty far away and it's already been rumored that they won't host Quake anymore.

It's not a rumor : )

Nobody is going to beat cypher, rapha, evil or dahang, so why bother sending anyone else? Just let the 4 play it out, right?

Nobody is going to beat evil, so why bother organizing quakecon 2014?

quakecon duel is cancelled guys, back to usual business

You were saying?

hah, yeah I had a hunch somebody had done that when I saw the thread, hindsight is 20/20

extremely surprising result, I had no idea tox could put this amount of time into practicing, good for him and for those who donated

Not sure if serious.

He is clearly not Serious. Redjuice is not banned.

Would invest in Tox he's been my #1 quake player for years, but won't invest for this years quakecon but next ine. THat ofcourse if he starts giving a damn about quake and gets on a practising regimen. Tox would easily be able to win a qcon if he invests the proper amount of time. But at the current state I'd pass.

easily, inflation much?

he invested proper amount of time before last DH. guess what? he didnt win :D

deal with it, hes unbeatable champion only in q4. no duelling achievements in both q3/ql

Good job educating ESR about his recent results... but who cares?!

The guy is amazing to watch and I can see why people want to send him to a major tournament, even if he won't make top 3.

I agree, I don't really care if they're going to win or not, but I'll donate a small amount of money for any quake legend to attend q-con, just to see them at q-con. We all knew that Strenx or Cooller probably wouldn't win the last DHW, yet so many of us were so disappointed when they dropped out.

What the hell do you mean Cooller wouldn't have won DH? ¦]

Sorry. :'(

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What about ql tdm :DDDD

ye, if qcon orgs would allow him to play duel in team with winz and linkin he would prolly win.

tdm is irrelevant here, but ye, he beast

Don't you dare forgetting stermy!

i missed out on 4th on purpose, as he was changing quite often. i think.

I'd rather sponsor someone who can make top 3. Like EVIL/Ash

ok fatal1ty

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Is that your timenudge?

I will donate!!

Set it up on some cause page or something, make it a pledge system so if you don't get enough money, then people don't donate.

Wouldn't it be better to make sure he'd actually go first?

Well yes of course, but that is so obvious that it goes without saying. Contact him. :)

That's mainly what the thread is for, cause I can't find an email or social media or anything. Just his home address.

I recommend starting another thread, detailing your plans and asking people to get in touch with him if they can to let him know what's going on, or to give you his contact details themselves.

Rapha the American owns everyone

Said like this, it's quite funny

Reminds me of Jamalz story

lol - arte in the left upper corner

random cooller vod of the day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnqdhJz5ABk

so many beautiful moments

I'm really sorry, that gif was absolutely AWESOME, but 24 MB is simply unacceptable for a place image.

link please :)

AH thanks Lam I was wondering why I can't upload anymore :D

http://www.gfycat.com/

fuck, u made my day :D

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GREATEST GIF OF ALL TIMES :dddddd

lol#d the fuckin fuck

"Error: You have already judged this post "

MOAR+++

you'd be better off giving that money to the reflex team or another indie developer. the sooner ql dies, the better.

dota2 prize pool was announced today:
4.5 million
smh

You'd be better off tripping up a train.

I accept donations.

There's like, a SHITLOAD of players that i want to see more and also that deserve more a ticket to quakecon, since they have been actually active in the scene later.

For example:
Pavel and
Ash (assuming 102 doesn't gift them money or at least start the donations)
plazma and
Sev3n (assuming team one.soldier isn't for real and won't send them)
Madball
dem0n
noctis

+noctis, +ash, +sev3n

whats up with noctis? Haven't seen him in a tournament since his 'comeback' in the duel scene

no idea, I just like the way he plays.

I think he loses motivation whenever he performs worse than he thinks he should. It's not a rare problem.

All aboard the Alexey Airline plane

I'd rather see zhu at qcon than madball.

lol damn straight.

Why do you say that xD? (looks like I missed something)

I think some people are sure he's cheating because his LG seems to have improved overnight, MADBALL explains this with him buying a 120 (144?) Hz monitor.

Personally I've always (in the last ~6-12 months) thought his aim was crazy scary and don't see anything but pure, raw aim talent.

If people think he cheats, the best thing is to send him to a LAN so he can show what he's really made of.

Why so we can listen to the list of excuses about how they didn't have 120hz monitors, his first lan(?), etc, etc. If lan events were in abundance, sure. But seeing as this might very well be the only qlive lan event for the year I'd rather have more established players there rather than someone who's "skill" varies so greatly depending on the monitor he's using.

As for rather wanting zhu there. I'd imagine drama follows him everywhere, so entertainment wise I'd rather see him there.

That's bullshit and you know it.

Madball only improved slightly. He had 2,1k+ elo, decent aim, great duel fundamentals. He just needed an alright gear, just that small touch to be able to challenge the really big guys. Lot of times players just need one little advancement to break over a huge barrier and enter a whole new tier.

Why do you think people moan so much about monitors at LAN? It fucking matters a lot for your aim.

It's not bullshit. Go to a LAN and see for yourself how much it's different from playing at home.

What I meant as bullshit was his remarks about Madball.

I just read his comment in different voice I guess. After a re-read assuming he's accusing Madball, you're totally right!

(Still, it truly makes no sense to invest this kind of money in sending someone to his first LAN. He wouldn't deliver and only spawn another round of accusations by clueless morons.)

And elo means what exactly? According to that, he's less than 200 pts behind cypher, they're not even in the same league, sorry.

If he had such a great game, why wasn't he winning before his "monitor" change? I can't recall any other high level players who's performance was dependent that much by their hardware. Like I said in another thread, a bump in acc is one thing, transforming someone from a decent/good to high level player, I'm sorry I don't buy it.

Why do you think people moan so much about monitors at LAN? It fucking matters a lot for your aim.

Exactly. I wouldn't expect the overall level of play to decrease because of 60/120hz. And as to why, I think it's a hobby for some to bitch about things (check out basically any map pool thread :p ).

200 pts is like 2 leagues, from what I gather. If you look at the records of the top players, they get less than 5 points for beating 2k+elo players. However, two leagues away from top 2 player, is still pretty damn good.

It's not bullshit. Either you are from the states or you have never seen the old madball. His whole gamestyle changed over night thanks to his great lg which used to be so fucking bad it was a suprise he want above 2k elo. He never was bad but what we see now is just weird)).

I still think he pulls off some weird shit and just seeing HOW he aims with lg makes me think he is not clean.
And yes madball was never bad but he was a really bad aimer and won games by playing smart. I remember talking to phil and I said if that guy had a decent lg he'd be top level and voila due to the power of 120hz he is :DDDD

Well in fairness I went from a shitty setup, to a good setup, and my LG went up by ~10% -- not completely out of the realm of possibility

Well, when I play on my laptop I hit like 20lg on a good day :D. I remember back then I said he's either aimbotting or using a really shitty monitor. I'm not even doubting his accuracies but rather his aimstyle. And I'm not the only one thinking he is suspecious.

Btw. I think serious aim is/was clean, so I'm not one of those paranoids who call everyone out ;)

now, compare madball consistency of aiming with serious, and you will see whos more suspicious :b

http://www.esreality.com/post/2565402/re-125-...pid2565402

Here it is!

Thanks :D haha

inb4 zhu qcon video unban post. (in new esr account)

Then, as OP said, create your own fundation thread for those players?

About your selections: noctis really? Hes a fucking quiter and wasted talent. Tox has always been professional and a gentleman.
madball sev3n plazma: lower skill than tox
dem0n, ash pavel: i approve, create thread

Agree, kids here don't know what they're talking about. Tox can make it top 4 if he's in good shape. Noctis really pissed me off when he quit yet AGAIN in the last cup, even when he still might had a chance to make a comeback. Always the same shit with him. Guy cann play like a beast and then throws matches left and right.

progaming

what about ins? i could use some more underwear boxers pics

Well... we could do that. How much does it cost to send a letter to Dallas?

total shitshow thread

would prefer to donate for s3ven and ins to come tbh as I know they would practice lots and put effort in, not convinced tox would + he's out of the scene and not participating in online cups

aside from zsx/some uk pro that's been hiding the only other person i'd donate for attendance at quakecon would be fatality as it'd be funny to see how shit he is

also props to op for saying he'd donate half of the money for tox!

this,

though, sev3n has a sponsor now !

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I don't know what this is all about. tox is already in the mappool

Updated the thread with new info.

omg dude, good job!

what a waste of monies.

send someone who can win. like cooller. or av3k.

You don't like to watch tox play, just don't donate and leave this thread.
Seriously, you don't have to be an asshole all the time.

in theory - yes, i dont have to be an asshole all the time.

but i like to make nerds like you mad.


trolololololololol

I like feeling good about myself too. Maybe you could find a better way to achieve it though

I'm neither a nerd nor mad. Just an adult who has some common decency.

did u notice the little phun i made with ur nick? was hilarious dude

no

He never saw it coming! :D

Implying Cooller could win a major LAN in 2014.

hes surely got more chances than tox.

with lucky bracket, in which he would have to play cypher in semis, while evil eliminates rapha on the other side, theres a chance cooller can win a lan.

I just don't see it happening. Not at a major LAN. He's just too old and way beyond his peak. I don't think any amount of practice would get him there.

I don't see tox winning either to be fair. I think Av3k could win (if he was well-practiced), but it's a long shot. He can be as scary as Evil and Cypher, though one thing he lacks I think is composure, which is key and only the very best have it (Cypher, Evil, Rapha). For me, DaHang could be the best player in the world if he had that, but he just falls apart in playoffs repeatedly.

i wouldnt say av3k lacks composure, after all hes a quake lan winner in 3 different quakes.

more like ql weapon balance is not suited for his aggresive gameplay. and without it he kinda loses the edge he had over his rivals.

and dahang is dahang. this guy chokes more than sasha gray. if quake was big esport title, he would prolly had personal psychologist

>this guy chokes more than sasha gray
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Tox is 2 years older :>
Cooller's problems are rl, work, low prize and lack of motivation/time to pratice

you said someone who can win, not choke

btw with the way cypher's been playing I'd be surprised if Titan even continues to sponsor him

it's just going to be another rapha/evil final with rapha showing (once again) that evil's one and only ql LAN win was a complete fluke

so you already assume quakecon brackets will be set up so evil will eliminate cypher in the semis, so rapha can have a shot at the title?:>

and what do you mean way cyphers been playing? i dont follow quake as much as i did in the past, but im sure hes top2 almost constantly?

Would be much better tbh if Evil and rapha met in semis, imagine a chypa vs evil final at lan, the end of all this do it on lan shite vs cypher

Legit question: so I understand we help people from russia for whom sweden/america/anything except eastern europe is hyperexpensive, I too understand that we would send teenager who simply are still at school or maybe just a poor student fuck like myself. But tox is a grown ass man. Doesn't he have a job? and why the whole sum, if he cant afford all he surely can afford some right?

I don't see why his own personal economy has anything to do with it. It's not really a matter of being nice and paying for a vacation like you seem to think. Me (and hopefully other people) want to see him competing at Quakecon. That's all there is to it. If he had to pay for the trip himself (regardless whether he could afford it or not) he wouldn't consider it viable.

Apply your question to any other sport and you realize how ridiculous it sounds... Sure, Quake might be stagnating or whatever, but the idea still remains.
It's not a charity service. I don't see how this concept is so difficult to grasp. If a player is sponsored, no matter if it's from donations or large companies they are pressured to prepare, practice and perform.

What happens to the money if the required sum is not met, or tox can't go to quakecon?

I can refund it. It won't come to that though.

So from your perspective the majority of investors put money in a sport without expecting any kind of return? ($, advertisement).

Can you please point me in their direction I also like free money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_scams

We are investors in the same way as football fans buying season tickets to their favorite clubs. Why are the football fans so STUPID? GOD.

just wow....

Your comparison is similar to buying a ticket to quakecon. Getting the benefit of going to an event.


You wouldn't "sponsor" a individual soccer player directly and stay at home would you? (or expecting not to get anything in return?)

Why not )).
Maybe I don't like to go to events or matches myself. Feels safer to stay at home.

= definition of charity.

and please exemplify in what way charity is ultimately bad for community.

see comment #297

The thing that's fucked up about people today is that doing something selfless or at least something with no apparent direct profit (= definition of charity) is thought as a personal failure. If the guy wants to see tox at QuakeCon and is willing to pay for it, then what is the problem?

you are completely missing the point.

being selfless and giving charity is not a failure.

Asking for money and arguing that its not charity pisses people off.

arguing and masking it as some kind of "sponsorship" for the greater good of quake is just bs.

at least have the curtsy to state directly: I want your money I wont risk my own.

So many miserable bitches in this thread. I personally would rather see an oldschool pro like Tox or Z4muz there over these others people keep listing as 'deserving' a spot.

Some people are just awesome to watch and Tox is one of them. Would love to see people like Fatal1ty and CZM back there too lol.

How long will the donations be up?

Will close it at May 31/1st June.

tox better make the finals since hes being sponsored
might be time to bust out the icemat ;p
hes still on the cloth, right?

I think he said something about changing back from cloth.

Just made the bill $50 lighter, good luck with the rest! :)

Registered in April 2014.
20 messages.
No official messages from tox himself.
Asking for more than 1000$.

I really hope no one is stupid enough to send you any money until the whole thing looks a lot less shady.

I can't go back in time and register earlier, and I can't make traveling less expensive either. Dunno if tox posts on ESR but I can ask him to confirm. Like I said I also gave him access to the donation account since I'm not a known member here.

I was merely pointing out that you are asking for a lot of trust, especially considering that you are not exactly asking for pocket change.

In my opinion, some sort of official statement from tox is absolutely mandatory, and some solid proof like a picture/video wouldn't hurt either.
You shouldn't even be the middle man, once tox learned about all that he should have stepped in and dealt with it himself.

paypal is pretty solid on fraud so I'm not worried in the slightest. Got my receipt.

Strenx just announced on his facebook page that he wants to go to Quakecon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, no ztn this year, and dm6 included, sounds like a dream mappool for strenx

xD

edit: ROFL he actually kinda meant it
"Map pool is good! Need a sponsor for quakecon! I feel that I have to go there with a huge train"

Haha does it mean we gotta open donations for him as well? :D

I'd donate for strenx. With practice, the kid is top 3 material. Everyone knows it.

Strenx vs evil on LAN would be MONEY.

He never was my favourite player or will he be, but I'd be willing to pay something little to get his ass to QuakeCon (if it means he will practice and prepares as good as he can).

Count me in.

Last time he played he lost vs a semi-retired cooller.
LOL...gl, 40 days to train hard.
Cooller and av3k would have more chance to finish in the top3

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Cooller is pretty active in TDM (and 125 FPS cups), while strenx was rusty.

40 days is not so short period of time, if one's has an effective training regiment.

I'm not exactly fond of frogs, but strenx at QuakeCon would be nice. One more european, who actually has a good chance to finish in top 3.

lol @tox. quake not worth enough to put his own money in it, begs the community :>>

as if.

Once again someone doesn't read and misses the plot. Oh glorious internet, let me count the ways.

If he had to pay for the trip himself (regardless whether he could afford it or not) he wouldn't consider it viable.

http://esreality.com/post/2594912/re-tox-to-quakecon/#pid2594673

please read and don't miss the plot next time. he obviously doesn't take quake or quakecon seriously enough to pay for his own trip so the idea was born to see if there's enough idiots that'll pay instead of him.

I'm not sure what you are arguing against exactly. That was my phrasing, not his. I've already explained the situation in the rest of that post. They are progamers. Most of those who come from outside US will need external funding in order for the trip to even exist.
And you twist your words so that it sounds like he came begging for donations which is not at all what happened. Don't care, don't donate but stop posting snide comments when there's clearly a demand.

If you'd followed the thread properly you would have seen that it was Redjuice's idea, even before Tox caught wind of it. Redjuice then took it on himself, after seeing interest in the idea, to get in contact with Tox to find out if he would accept our help.

Yet you claim that Tox is begging the community for help.

Missed the plot.

Plus, if helping out a high level quaker make it to a tournament half way across the world makes me an idiot, I stand guilty as charged.

so if I get a friend to beg for me its ok?

Nothing much seems ok by you.

you should definitely get an official statement from tox as a major news here or you will be sitting with 300$ in the end. I'd really want to give you my money, but no statement no money. If tox wants 2600$ for free, he might as well take the couple minutes to post on ESR or have someone with a verified acc post for him.

will you get your money back if the incentive is not mer or how does it work?

I will obviously not keep the money... I wish to pay the remaining amount myself if possible.

Can we at least ask tox to wear an ESR tshirt + ESR clantag? Just for shit and giggles.

How about a "takesix <3" tshirt with italian flag colors?

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Entry 36 FTW!

ESR logo on front, and "Where you at Zhu?" on back.

"My lg is everythink." on forehead.

This guy legit?:0

I'd rather send strenx

I'd rather send ins

I'd rather send Lexer.

Same, I'd rather send strenx! Ohhhh the epicness!

I would think toxjq is arguably in better shape than strenx

As soon as there is some kind of official statement from tox i would donate aswell.

See below.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2595527/a-messa...-quakecon/

Put source in OP,

Link for the tox statement is broken.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2595527/a-messa...-quakecon/

There you go, buddy.

nowww don't copy-paste, but open the link and copy the address. Esreality shorts the long links. ;)

Stop bitching guys about who'd you rather send. As long as we're not sending CMSS, we are doing good. If you wanna send someone else, get in contact with them, set up a donation thread, start raising money. If you don't wanna contribute to the tox fund, just don't, but it's pointless to moan about what other people want to spend their money on.

wouldnt be esr without that

Three donations in total now. Still only about 6% of the total though, a lot of people said they would donate with an official statement (which was posted) so I hope they will help eventually.

not donating to random fuck. Gief memento mori or the actual swedish guy that ran the tournament, not you

next month ull get 50 bucks

thats cutting it close :>

whats the goal btw? cant find it in this or the other thread.

donated 15 dorra cause more competition is always better... in possibly the last big quake lan x_x

I originally put it at 1300$ but removed it because not entirely relevant, and it doesn't seem very realistic at this pace anyway.

I would donate if Tox agreed to wear an ESR t-shirt with the name of all donators on it. Name gets put on the t-shirt from 10-20 dollars and above.

I think this will motivate a lot of people.

I think that's a bit silly... But I'm quite sure he'd agree to something that trivial. Are you making the t-shirt then?

It's not silly at all, it's a good way to thank the community for the donations. I can design the tshirt if the thing is succesful.

But i aslo require ESR clantag, for a place in histroy in the VODs.

Asked him about the t-shirt. Do we do real names or our esr nicknames?

Ask the donators, what they prefer. But i think it would be wise to wait until you get a reasonable number of donations.

tox said he wanted to wear his own clothes. he wanted to do something else to thank the community though.

It's not that silly, as long as a pic or pics are taken with him wearing the shirt. Maybe high enough res that names can be legible. Volkswagon did something similar last year with Andreas Mikklesen's car for GB Rally. His livery for the rally was made up of 4,000 fans that liked/followed his fan page.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BG8QuBwALW0/UqWjeTV...C_0286.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7295/10876627175_388b755334_h.jpg
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/10876829073_ed29f886fc_h.jpg

trying to chip in, but only get a message from paypal saying "you cannot perform this transaction with this card bla bla".
Don't understand why, same card and same paypal that I used a couple of months ago.

What if you remove the card from your paypal, I know there can be issues if you have the same card associated to your account. Or perhaps maybe you could transfer to your paypal account and use it to donate.
Worst case scenario, we could use a bank transfer since it's domestic and I can personally add it to the fund.

removing the card didn't help, so had to make a transfer to the paypalaccount which takes 1-2 days so I guess I'll chip in on Monday instead :)

Same problem for me. Had to transfer to my paypal account so now it takes 1-2 days before i can donate anything.

i would definitely donate then!

edit: i wanted to reply to Alborz, but i couldn't

I want Av3k there !

even if he loose imo his duels are one of the best to watch.

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onesided games are always boring, regardless of whos participating =/

av3k can play in many different ways, thats why I like his style.

and his buldog form is just epic.

true, but hes still inactive/retired :p

like maybe half of all quake pros :P

this thread is too quiet now :(

I would suggest mimicking a couple of things Memento_Mori did when raising money for DHWinter 2013, such as a list of donators and a graphic showing money raised vs goal amount. Little things do help, and people like recognition of their efforts.

I would also still consider allowing (/begging) a trusted member of the community to collect the funds - from the looks of this thread some people aren't donating simply because they don't know who you are.

1. Some of them wishes to be anonymous actually. I looked into graphs and such but there weren't any good solutions unless you code it yourself.
2. I don't even technically collect the funds, it's just a paypal account I made for him. Either way, he posted about this officially after trust issues by some of you on ESR. I'm not going even further than that. If people still don't trust me or him enough to donate than so be it. I'm not going to beg or create more incentive toward donations, it's up to you yourself.

Should I ask him about the t-shirt thing though? Might be a bit cute I guess...

i think its more the fact that evil is easily top 3 whereas tox is top 16

you're not going to get the same interest in sending tox, noctis, twister as you are for evil, strenx, av3k

What has evil got to do with anything? He is sponsored and obviously going anyway.

And I tried not to get into this stupid debate but really ))

Strenx was retired, and didn't express an interest in going until after the thread. I'd like to see him too though. Would be fun, regardless of how much in shape he would be.
Av3k literally not been online since DHW2013. Don't even understand why people namedrop him. I don't think he's interested.
The russians, although very skilled, have their own community and it's difficult for us to know whom to support. Ash, Pavel, Cooller, Agent might have personal reasons for not going. Would obviously love to have them all there though.

So at this point, which other European player would be so much more obvious to send than tox? I think with LAN experience and general consistency he is one of the best bets. When you see him play and lose, you get the feeling that if he could fix some of his flawed decision-making in duel he'd be unstoppable even in QL. Because his aim and movement is so consistent and calm and such a treat to watch.
And because he demolished the Swedish championships, at least from the perspective from us swedes it'd be quite obvious to send him.

When you see him play and lose, you get the feeling that if he could fix some of his flawed decision-making in duel he'd be unstoppable even in QL

wrong.

and tox did not show any interest of going before this topic, so why do you exclude strenx based on it? at least hes got decent lan results, unlike tox.


to the point you were supporting this whole thread on your fanboism, i was semi ok. but please dont talk bullshit/your unreal wishes

tox had plenty of results set in stone when you were still in diapers

his attitude also seems alot more mature, whereas strenx seems to be all over the place. i know who i'd trust, hence why this thread is titled tox, and not anybody else.

tox had plenty of results set in stone when you were still in diapers

name one top3 duel standing in osp q3. nothing? so maybe cpma q3 which was played after q4? still nothing? not even early QL?

yeah he totally dominated q4, but last time i checked qcon duel game is QL, where he has literally no achievements in offline duel.

thats what always puzzled me - why people think hes a master of duel even tho he didnt win anything (nor even close) in idtech3 games. if his achievements in Q4 would make him a great QL player then why isnt anyone confused about Vo0 beeing not at the top, even tho he rocked in Painkiller and CPMA? :P

not saying hes bad or anything but people act like hes underperforming for his standarts - which just aint true.

exactly.

q4 simply did fit his strenghts, while idtech3 games did not. thats why i value much more av3k or cypher, which were good players in all quakes since q3

Was that you being semi ok? I don't want to know how you are when you're not ok.

Also, strenx was self-announced retired. Very different. And he doesn't seem like such a safe bet with regards to his personality like kevz wrote. What if he does like DHW2013 all over again when he starts practicing?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. tox will go to Quakecon whether you like it or not. Start your own thread about strenx.

i havent seen tox in many of the 125fps/faceit cups so you cant really say hes active

dem0n is at least on equal level to tox but is always active

also, my point wasn't about who is/isn't active but that people get excited by certain people playing..ronnie o'sullivan had a long break from snooker a couple years ago but returned for the world finals & got people excited. also its about potential...tox could train everyday from now until qcon and not reach top 4; strenx could, dem0n maybe

really? dem0n top 4?

stick to UT Dird :P

at qcon (less europeans/russians)...not at dreamhack

if evil cypher rapha and dahang are going dem0n wont be top 4 :P

evil, cypher, rapha > cooller, av3k, sternx, dahang, killsen, tox? > all
Dahang is the only active player in the 2nd group, demon has his little chance to finish in the top4 :)

lol. tox > strenx easily. Maybe not in tournament results, but when tox and strenx met at QC tox roflstomped him.

no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhY9Q3_Wj8Q

its 3 years ago. 10 years ago czm wasnt shit too

This was their most recent lan encounter, I would believe?

and in that same tournament, strenx beats cypher, coller & loses to rapha in the final...where did tox finish?

#187:

" lol. tox > strenx easily. Maybe not in tournament results, but when tox and strenx met at QC tox roflstomped him. "

strenx had already made it out groups. no need to play seriously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVhY9Q3_Wj8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ68K0tXUzc

That was before strenx smartened up his play, and strenx wanted to prove he was a better aimer so he of course got straight up raped by the machine.

Strenx now, in shape would soooo destroy tox.

because i waited for them to meet each other on lan for so long, i will never forget this clash of the aim titans at quakecon 2011.



tox, one of the best quake ever witnessed.
i hope tox practises with some hard oppenents and his item control.

Tox with 4sg tag? Can someone explain this to me?

i rememebr it too, was some bad game tbh i wanted this clash to be a real one. Some top quake. and it was not. strenx played so stupid and tox so passive, it was some very bad games. Maybe they will clash again maybe not.

ye, i also think strenx underperformed and tox sometimes picked up items by accident.
nonetheless tox was hitting some hard trtrtrtrtr. and the trtrtrtrtr is what i like them both for and the main reason why i waited for that game. so for me as a viewer, it was a good game.
of course i also hope they will clash again. if you ask me, they should clash every day. trtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtr...

yes, they are both very trtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrt players

Hi Strenx. :D

I will write this here, so people can see it.

I've been asked a few times to handle donations in relationship to this Quakecon. In principle, I would be happy to do it, but due to a new job and some unfortunate scheduling, I won't have any free time until mid July.

Tox is the best aimer ever on q3/ql and incidentally, a quake legend.

He's almost the only one (av3k <3) able to fuck up a big event results by his aim and his unpredictability.

That's why people want to see him going to quakecon and I fully understand that.

'Tox is danger' (© cooller)

sorry tox is all aim and no brain. You can see it in his play, he'll do some amazing move and then NOTHING afterwards to keep the ball rolling. He's a reaction player. He waits for someone else to make a move and then counters. People like Rapha/cypher/evil make you react to what they do, they don't wait for you to do something.


That is why tox is shit.

yeah this tends to happen when he doesnt play enough beforehand i think, too robotic and not straying off the safe path. who knows though how itl go this year :3

if ur reading this tox, work on your creative side and take more opportunities :PP

the singular problem is that he relies on his aim too much and ONLY plays noobs.

playing someone that aims worse than you gives you so many goddamn bad habits.

Strenx learned properly how to use his aim without over dependance. Tox hasn't learned that at all.

Imagine you are playing a super aiming fag, would you go toe to toe with him when you should? or would you sneak around and do weird shit? If I couldn't out aim tox, then I'd play really weird and crafty.

Now tox vs cypher/evil/k1llsen, they will actually fight him at the proper times, and since tox never practices vs them, he won't know what the fuck to do.

If tox really wanted to become good, he'd handicap himself with a 75hz monitor and play under an alias and learn the proper way to play quake and make moves. Then slowly add back in his aim and then it would overall change his play and he'd be solid as fuck.

Actually it's not a bad habit from playing noobs, it's an issue of confidence vs stronger players. Slightly related, but yeah.

And imagine if he'd be able to relieve this problem until quakecon, he'd definitely be a major threat to all the other top players. I personally think it should be quite easily fixable with some dedication.

wat? A noob isnt going to rush toxjq to do damage and set traps at proper times before item respawns. Someone good will.

1v1 is all about experience and how you practice. You practice situations. Noobs wont put tox in these situations so he gets no practice.

You mentioned that he goes back to playing passive and willingly going out of control after he does something amazing. I was saying it could be an issue with confidence rather than bad habits from playing vs noobs.
Also, there can be advantages with playing people with lower skill as well if you are diligent, you can choose what situations to put yourself in to practice them. It's like that in all sports, you need both strict match-like practice, and you need handicapping practice or focus on specific areas.

you ever watch tox practice? I have seen him play warmup 1v1 on aerowalk for more than 2 hours just owning his pal with aim. That is NOT how to practice duel. You don't practice what you are already good at (lg and aiming) you practice what you aren't good at, mental aspects, control, retaking control etc.

Watching rapha practice? He used to let people go up 4-5 frags and then retake control. Or play so that he doesn't lose a frag.

Actual duel practice.

stop sucking on his nuts because he's swedish, if you want, try to get z4muz back into quake duel. He aims as good as tox but is also way smarter. Or make spartie stop drinking.

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/to...d90/duel/1

Now he's officially considered to be the person who takes QuakeCon.

To change the way you practice is very easy as well. I never said his current (past?) way of practicing was optimal, dunno why you're being so hostile.
Guess we'll see on Quakecon if he has improved any of those areas.

For duel
Spart1e, cooller(since he got his ec2), k1llsen all have way better mouse aim than tox. Tox is always ready and that's how he aims.

Of course when Evil just rushes forever tox's aim fell apart because he wasn't ready for some retard just tunelling him.

It says i cant donate with my card that i have connected to my paypal account? :(

Maybe you haven't finished the procedure to link both your bank account and paypal account (I remember it was a pain to verify).

Ok, I'm sorry guys. it's probably due to me not connecting my credit card to paypal, I've tried to do that for some time but it took ages since it was already connected to another one. I think it should work by monday.

GuyzzzzzZ )))))) My friend lend me link to this post. I was also contacting with Cypher in this case.I saw some of the people want me to go to quakecon. As I have a bit of a time I want to share a secret with you ) All of the guys are discussing all the times about evil/cypher/rapha whos better and its so hard to choose between them. If u look at all players from top they all can aim, they have good movement,timing, understading the game , calculation of all situations so in these subjects they are the same. When I was young I was asking myself the most important queastions "What seperates me or any other player who didnt win tourmanet yet from them" My conclusion was that its totally nothing, cause all subjects of them game are the same. We all do the same, but still I didnt have answer to my queastion then when I started to participate in big tournaments as a young guy I had a little conversation with Cooller about it. He told me that psychological part of the game, ur motivation and will of winning with believing of the winning makes the diffrence. When I understood it I started to win LAN tournaments. You know young mind is very open for many opinions. It will not analayze it , it wont recognize it , like big water in ocean when u put there something little it will not be recognized. So it came to my mind very strongly and I didnt think of it. When I got older and lost some games,important matches,tournaments I lost the confidence and will of winning. That made a diffrence. So in my opinion rapha,cypher,evil they all have it at the moment and it matters who wants it more ,cause even if one of those guys in last map of bo5 will have bad spawn and will lose few frags he will keep going and believing that he will win. Like cypher on aerowalk at qcon , when u watched his POV u already saw how badly this guy wants to win and how strong mentally he is. Thats why for all this years (+10) we didnt have only one winner and they were new upcomer players coming ,cause they believed and when they reached the basic levels it only what mattered otherwise we would still see tournaments being owned by Zero4, cooller,czm . I was following this game for many years and this is mine and other pros conclusion. Heh I dont even know why I wrote it but I wanted to write something intresting to read :) Anyway back to the subject I think anybody who you would send to quakecon could win if their will and motivation andbeleving will be strong enough. Shape is easy to reach. It takes me to 15 days of full practice to reach my best shape as I had on all tournaments. To make shape in my head to let me win the tournament is much harder and it doesnt take certain amount of time Its just takes human inteligence and proper set up of my mental.Same goes for tox,strenx,cooller etc. Im slowly thinking of trying to do it once more,cause even if I dont play and have many things to do in my real life I still feel empty inside that I didnt finish what I started and when I think only for a second about trying to do it smile on my face is already popping :)I will think about it for few days and I will decide if I go . If I will decide that I want to go and give it all I will start to collect some % of the expenses of my own and try to find sponsor and also will open a new post and if somebody will be willing to donate a bit to see how good ,old Av3k is again swearing to get through these all champions to get to the final and win it, it will be cool :) Guyzz keep touch , remember to take care of urselves,keep smiling, dont hate, make love , one life we have , we should use it the best ;) Keep in thouch brothers :D

Would be amazing, keep us updated. Also nice post.

<3 Hope to see you at QCon!

oh god he said cooller

A V <3 K !!!

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if you go then that might be the first time im donating to anything in the internet.
make it happen! and cover your poland muscles with an esreality tshirt! :D

plz go <3

Got a donation right here waiting for you buddy.

avekkkkkkkkkkkk

excellent post man

"It takes me to 15 days of full practice to reach my best shape as I had on all tournaments."


hahah epic!

av3k one and only.

:>

YES PLS GO TO QUAKECON :D

It would be amazing if you went!

most beautiful wall of text i ever seen

I had problems reading it without any paragraphs D:

my adhd agrees with you. i was just scanning for a tldr at the bottom. after giving up a few times i kinda managed to find it ;p

Agreed, such a boss.

Titan av3k!

Virtus.Pro Av3k !

Yes!

can't imagine what kind of a player would you be now if you practiced as much as for example cypher - if 15 days is enough for you...
i really hope u will go there <3

Did you read what he wrote, noob? He said the key isnt practice, but mental state and will to win.

what about new maps knowledge? it's not anymore 15 years old ztn over and over

he'd be better than him for sure.

would he be the best then :o

:_)

nice man, hope you go and give it a shot ;)

Ok, Why can't id donate some money for the trip atleast for the pro players to get to quakecon. I feel they give 0 fucks about it who will play in qcon. Better get more chicks

I think they give money to the pro players when they win.

I've donated to both campaigns recently, including Strenx.

I, like so many others, would most definitely donate to see you, Av3k, able to fly to quakecon and enjoy yourself.

All the best with whatever decision you make.

<3

If you think I'll be at quakecon I feel bad for you son, I got 99 plusses but with duel I'm done.

Next week we will begin announcing invitees of the QuakeCon 2014 $20,000 Intel QUAKE LIVE Duel Masters Invitational Championship.

Last chance to sign-up! Head over to http://bit.ly/1lcjxsU to read the rules and submit your application today!

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Bloody well said!

Looks like Avek was on a little bit of Fizzle action b4 typing that.


=]<o~~~~

I want to see how good,old Av3k is kicking butt again !!!!!

ijust being a devil's advocate here but...



nb4 posts from other pros LOL

So all in favour of sending av3k?

ive already donated to tox, and i will help out av3k aswell if hes serious about going <3

Helped Strenx, might donate one more time depending on next month bills ='D

I verified the account (finally) so I *think* it should work if you have an account associated to the card now. Let me know.

Just one week remaining.

Tried making a small donation today but the "You cannot complete this action on the card you have selected" problem mentioned above is still happening. I'll try again tomorrow.

Then it's not on paypal or our accounts end. Maybe your bank requires "Verified by VISA/Mastercard", or perhaps there is some other limitation between the bank and paypal inc.

Strange, I've paid for things via Paypal with the same card before. Will investigate properly tomorrow, didn't have time to do more than copy and paste the error message to esr when I tried earlier.

as long as this doesn't become a regular thing I think it's fine. Players really should be going on their own tho :P

cause I figured more players would come asking for money if they knew the community would sponsor (even tho that's a great idea for a few players who may not get sponsored anyways like tox, where as avek/strenx SHOULD be able to find sponsors).


and why isn't there a thread for me yet? :(((((((

I will donate around 70 usd when the money reaches the account, swedish should support our top player imo

Quakers should support Quakers!

id should support their product

no, the product is too bad for current standards it needs a replacement. without it there isn't that high amount of money to help it grow naturally

donated 66,81 usd, sadly im a poor man otherwise I would donate more

Any amount helps. We're at 353USD now, or 2300SEK.

Tried to donate but for some reason it didn't work. How do we go about that?

I sure as hell wanna see Tox@Qcon \o/

whats so difficult to use paypal?!?

donated 97USD! was gonna do 100 but i guess paypal took the rest.

Says 97 -3.60 so effectively 93.40USD. Strange...
Anyway thanks for the donations guys. Will go away on a competition until late Sunday, by then I'll try to finish things up. Hope to see a few more donations until then.

okey will you manage to update the donation total with new donations?

Because you should have said it's a family thing/present, I forgot, but if you say that it's for business reason I think it takes a part? But I'm not totally sure because everytime I purchase stuffs via Paypal on online stores it never takes more than what the stores charged me.

The total is starting to look good now.

I just cant donate, seems my bank wont allow me to or something. :( Otherwise would have donated 50$.
Strange as i never have had any problems using paypal before.

unfortunately seems there were technical difficulties with donating or the total would've been higher.

how Ive seen 125fps do donations, apparently without any problems, is you donate to a mail adress via Paypal, so first you put money on your paypal account and then you donate, that is what worked for me

totes worth tox going to quakecon with a steady diet of 1600 elo roflstomp

so looks like the deadline has been reached. What now?

updated the first post.

Oh and if anyone who didn't get to donate want to ease the load a little (the remaining sum was quite hefty), you can ask me in pm. Only Swedish or EU w IBAN, don't want to hassle with paypal.

How do I PM, new to this site... Wanna pour moneyZ on you :-)

click on his name then imsg at the top of page

what now? 1300 roflstompage. awwwww yiss.

Whatever works for him.

Though now that he's going it'd be nice to see tox in online cups.

Well, I know, online practice games and everything, but we can still get some hype i think.

TRAINING INTENSIFIES

that's the secret to success :)))

There's that fucker that took my name TheoLongHair!

Are you guys seriously stalking him and making sure he doesn't play anyone below 2000 elo?

As far as I know he's been playing with kaide a lot, both 2v2 and duel, so just seems pointless to take screenshots of him playing versus a friend.

Glad to see you're getting the Toxic Swede to the Ball =)

Speaking of swedes ... what has Fazz been up to? I miss watching his games. He pulls of some creative stuff.

He's busy being spotted around Europe.

I thought he was working on a project with 2GD?

lol....

anyone still feeling bad about toxjq's practice now?

Practicing on his yay0 account with a gimped setup against good players certainly helped him a lot.

tox speaks russian?
Doesn't matter if he does - he pilots the aim-rape-train to quakecon victory!

yes. he lost a map!

<3 Johan !

<3 Tox

It's still unbelievably gay he had to play at 3 AM...
You could see on stream how tired he was.

Fortunately we could potentially see his (and Evil's) best one more time in the bronze final, at least.
...Less fortunate is the time Cypher has to be in the zone for the grand finals. :(

Wouldn't be the first time the americaans conspire against Johan.

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Like a truck carrying trucks.

So many people look so stupid now. I love it

Thanks for the great matches so far Johan, good luck vs Evil. It's been a pleasure to finally see you play near your full potential in QL. If there's another LAN on the horizon hopefully the community will be willing to step up again.

Except next time I would expect him to put $1000 dollars into going, as this is what he won at quakecon with our help.

If tox can work on keeping control of items under pressure, or even not under pressure, he can go all the way every tourney! Freaking love this guy!
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I love watching tox play, there is no one like him when it comes to aim.

When you watch his crosshair, especially for rails, it seems so 'raw' - not sure how else to describe it. Kind of like how if a machine 50 years from now with perfect hand eye coordination and relfexes would aim.

You mean an aimbot? :p

except he was badly outaimed by evil in the semis and got elliminated.

after the game vs rapha he wasn't the same anymore/returned to his unconfident/passive old self + evil outpossitioned him hard/outsmarted him and we all know that evil can aim good.