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eye-opening

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

Are there still people in 2017 who belive in the official story?

Of course, the majority, megaman3 and the rest. Inb4 vaccines are good and stupid conspiracies like flat earth noise.

^Round Earth shill.

Shut the fuck up or we will kick you out of the glob... Earth!

I'll stop believing the official story as soon as someone puts forth some criticism without making themselves an idiot within the first few sentences.

This has yet to happen, as any critic so far has mad an idiot out of themselves, by either including
a) ridiculous arguments which can be easily refuted (e.g. "jet fuel can't melt steel beams")
b) theories which solely rely on assumptions and are extremely unlikely (e.g. "the lizardpeople did it, but I can't tell you how, because they covered up everything which would give them away")

So yeah, the official version has it's flaws. but it's still way more plausible than anything else that has been suggested so far.

I think that the official version is not true, but I don't believe in any of the other popular theories either because they aren't more credible for reasons that you described. Just because the official version is the "best we have " doesn't mean that you have to believe in it.

How about this critical analysis:

Truth is often less convenient for people to accept.

Easy. This is a "knockout argument", i.e. a statement which is true, but which has absolutely no specific content and can be said about virtually everything.

So essientially it is a non-sequitur.

He's ironically correct. The truth is that 13 people can high-jack a couple of planes and kill thousands of people. And to conspiracy-believers this is the truth that is far scarier than believing that there is an evil cabal controlling everything. Because in that case at least someone is in charge. It's the same reason so many people believe in gods - the chaos we live in makes them shit their pants. Evil order is still order.

We're living in times where government can know the consistency of your daily shit and you think bunch of dudes were like "let's blow this shit up" and they just did?
And Murrica was like welp we got ouplayed by some sandniggers - happenes to the best of us.
BTW let's start a war.

And another one.

There's a difference between can know and do know. Also there were memos warning of 9/11 but I guess in your head that further justifies that the government is super evil and omnipotent instead of real humans who may be incompetent.

I can see that you're one of the people I described - you think the US government is omnipotent and omniscient and nothing can slip by or happen by chance, well except in your head numerous "evidences" of a successful conspiracy. Do you see how your own view is contradictory?

Yo nigga, IMA not sayin' it was Bush or Aliens or satanic cabal from Israel.
I just don't think it's reasonable to belive the government 100% and throwing everyone else into the "tinfoil basement dwellers" bag.
Things like pope or president getting shot or plane with president on board getting destroyed after hitting a tree or Ukraine coup are not caused because of "incompetent people".

I agree with that. No one ever claimed you should believe the government 100%. But then again, claiming that 9/11 was controlled demolition suggest EXACTLY that some allmight organization is responsible for it.

And if you claim that without being able to provide a single piece of evidence that would hold up in any court, you kinda put yourself in the "tinfoil basement dwellers bag" (as you said).

I have no idea what happened there.
I'm not saying it was A or B or C.

But if the government option was true I would be surprised.
Obviously we will never know shit.

GAS THE BIKES, RACE CARS NOW!

I can believe that the government used 9/11 to get more powers or that some details were omitted far more readily than shit like gstructard's ramblings - a conspiracy 27 years in advance...

That's quite something... but you gotta say, it's entertaining to read <3

Unfortunately I mostly cringe at those.

To reply to your previous post - shooting down a single plane or a person is a far less complicated conspiracy than crashing planes into skyscrapers to hide the fact that you've armed them with explosives. It's completely retarded because if you're gonna blow them up you can just say the terrorists did it - far easier to conduct and to keep as secret.

there's so many variables to control in these conspiracies.. anyone powerful enough to pull the strings on them can just implement their goals straight up with no need for hiding behind super elaborate bullshit.

they brought down the towers to invade Iraq and Afghanistan? why not skip this step and just do it behind some bogus pretext.. oh they just did that for Iraq, but they couldn't invent something for Afghanistan that didn't require a retarded self-inflicted terror attack - what kind of idiots would come up with such a plan?

in the end, we all know the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were just to save face and for USA to show they're still top dog in a vulnerable moment. they didn't even need UN approval to flex, but they still looked bad when consensus in NATO was not achieved because of Germany and France.

Yeah, furthermore if you're going to do a controlled demolition why the fuck would you be bothering with planes, just say the terrorists blew them up?!?!?!?

no planes. real time compositing/cgi.

I have been trolled.

WP

So reopen911 are "making themselves an idiot within the first few sentences" ?

The only problem with reopen911 is that they fear to talk about Israel which forces them to no talk about some evidences.



I belive 911 was such a big event of USA history it is worth taking some time to study it. Yes the corporate media have all inetrest in making 911 truthers a bunch of fool by releasing new age theories like the ones talking about planes not hiting the tower or so.



I remember seeing some USA opinion polls back in 2008, over 85% of americans did not belived the official story, back in 2014 it was more around 65%.

What is interresting is that USA elected Trump who belives planes were not alone, it was also controlled demolition.



What is alarming is that, right now everyone knows they are beeing watched via electronic communications. They fear to speak and express what they think and they have several reasons for that. When they want to get hiered, big compagnies use datamining about you and know your political POV, they will not hire you if you are not beliving in 911 official story. Workers are watching each others.

Our West countries are becoming dictatorships and it will end in a big war.

Started watching Reopen911 youtube video and basically they claim that someone took down the towers with explosives on every floor. Which begs the obvious question: If some nefarious organization has the capacities to install thousands of kgs of explosives linked with dozens of kilometers of wire or detcord AND simultanously highjack several planes AND keep everything before AND covered up sufficiently afterwards AND do that without ever writing down anything, why don't they pursue their main goal in a more simple manner?
I mean, whatever the objective is, there has to be a less risky and less complex way than running a highly convoluted conspiracy which has hundreds if not thousands of co-conspirators.

You definitely made an idiot out of yourself by blaming Israel in the second sentence without providing anything to back your claims up.
This is exactly what I was talking about.

P.S.: What motivation would Israel have to attack the US? They are extremely dependent on US support - why would they risk losing this support by attacking the US?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-...l-1.244044
Doesn't matter what happens in the world, Israel is always winning ; )

Looks like you have no idea how geopolitics and governments works. Btw gj calling truthers, engeneers etc simple minded ppl. Such argumentation. Much wow. So trump is a tard too according to you cuz he said thats controlled demo. Coming from a man who built and destroyed many buildings.

So the hijackers were all saudi arabians but USA bombed the shit out of Irak, Afghanistan etc and is still defending wahabbit Saudia Arabia and sionist Israel.

See little sionist. That is argumentation.

haha, name calling - "Such argumentation. Much wow."
I'm an engineer myself - I guess you have to believe everything I say now.

So the US went on to bomb Iraq instead of Saudia Arabia? What does that proof about 9/11? Right, exactly nothing.

You have to wonder why little inbreds like him never come up with the question if 9/11 was a false flag why wouldn't they make the hijackers iraqi and afghani instead of saudi, lebanese, etc. But then again he thinks Trump knows dick about building or demolishing buildings. It's like the "jet fuel can't melt steel" truthers who believe "engineers" who have never heard of an iron-carbon diagram. Probably software engineers or something.

" If some nefarious organization has the capacities to install thousands of kgs of explosives"

Research bro, youre clueless.

Those buildings were made with charges already on place.

"Pull it"

Right, those charges were in place since 1973. Because the hundreds or thousands of people who were involved in the process would totally have kept quiet for almost 50 years now...

Because nobody involved in the construction would have minded the charges and the connecting cords. Because they totally would not have been discover during repairs, maintainance or similar activities.

Because whoever this evil genious master mind was, they gambled their entire complex and 27-year long plan on all charges and cords being functinal after 27 years of exposure in uncontrolled conditions.

Because in the middle of the cold war, someone would have gone through all the risks of installing and maintaining thousands of kilograms of conventional explosives, when they could have just as easily have embedded a small single nuke in the fundament (or go for any other way less complicated solution for their plans).


It's obvious that YOU are the one who is clueless and needs to do some thinking or research. I'm already looking forward to your next outlandish claim:
Were the steel beems coated in explosives and thats why nobody noticed?
Were the explosives hidden in hollow cavitities inside the steel beams?
Were all the construction workers eliminated and replaced with lizard people?

Stop with the text walls, repeating your nonsense ad nauseum doesnt makes it true. As i said, stop inventing crap and research, the building was done with charges in place. If you research and learn that, we may continue the exchange, otherwise keep talking about lizard people.

"its easier to fool people, than to convince them they have been fooled"

"its easier to fool people, than to convince them they have been fooled"

Yes, you're living proof.

ok, here's the simple version for you.

If being stupid was a sport, you'd be the gold medal favorite in the olympics.

So the one who, without research, keeps spewing bullshit is smart.

The one with hundred of hours of research, is the stupid one.

Strange way to skew reality, common trait of a sick mind.

the irony in this post is just precious )))

That's just stupid.

"What motivation would Israel have to attack the US? They are extremely dependent on US support - why would they risk losing this support by attacking the US?"

Clueless number two, official story is some caveman with knifes from Afghanistan were the ones to blame. So it worked perfectly for Israel, USA has invaded many countries and killed millions of Israel enemies thanks to 911. Thats was the plan since the begining, sheep.

Yeah, why would Israel GAMBLE vital support on an extremely risky and convoluted plan (27 years in advance btw, lol) in order to achieve goals which are nowhere close to being vital to them.

Do you think Israels biggest worry in 2001 was Afghanistan? Do you truely believe they had no bigger issues than Saddam Hussein?

That was the plan since the beginning (since 73 according to you). So in the middle of the Cold War, when the only relevant game was Nato vs USSR, Israel made this convoluted plan to have some people who are more or less inconsequential to them killed?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, that HAS to be the most plausible explanation, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight?

..and after all that trouble in setting up this conspiracy, you're telling me they couldn't even plant WMDs in Iraq to keep the illusion of legitimacy for the invasion going?

what kind of smart dumb conspirators are these guys? they must've been recruited from /pol/ or some other shithole on the internet, lol

mossad+cia

https://imgur.com/a/qtkxV

https://imgur.com/a/kgHQs

https://imgur.com/a/ndv5s

https://imgur.com/a/g28KR

fuel melts steel, not people.

https://imgur.com/a/9jHlg

https://imgur.com/a/gQLsl

https://imgur.com/a/cvHxj

And the very moment you say "melts steel", it becomes obvious that you have no clue what you are talking about.
Metals lose their strength with increasing temperature - that fact is known for at least 4000 years now ("What is forging?").
Yes this happens at temperatures which are significantly lower than the melting point.

As for your pictures:
Yes, a motor home with some graphic on it, is definitely proof of something. Because the all powerfull organizations would advertise that for you to see ... right.

BB-18 is for electrical fuses, not for detonation fuse - i.e. to protect downstream electrical equipment. Did they worry about overcurrent in their explosive wiring?
The students in the picture are apparently Austrian and not Israeli.

A picture of what appears to be a B52 bomber with a cruise missilie - how is that exactly that relevant?

he's trolling with out of context silly photos, don't take the bait ;>

Unfortunately not even incomprehensibly advanced lifeforms have the intelligence to create a troll which can rival actual human(allegedly) stupidity.

I was making a point that it was not hot enough and didn't burn long enough to melt or weaken steel.
The fact people were hanging out in the giant hole where the airplane went through the building should tell you it wasn't very hot. There's also the fact the building was covered in asbestos from head to toe ;)

Urban moving is the moving company the israeli/mossad agents worked for. They along with the company were investigated by the fbi. All (people/company) were found to be israeli intelligence and all that came of was that israel now has to ask permission to spy on us soil.

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the cruise missle is whats said to be attached o the bottom of the planes and is what actually exploded.
Also what is said to have hit the pentagon.

vid: https://youtu.be/PnYcjIp3HH8

https://imgur.com/a/APxYF

I'm gonna say it one more time, on the off chance that you are not trolling:

BB-18 is for electrical fuses - the things which can be found in every home in order to protect your TV, computer, fridge, etc. from overcurrent.

These things have NOTHING to do with demolition fuses, except the name. So yeah, there goes any credibility your theory might have had.

bb18 feed lug
https://centurysolarsupply.com/index.php/prod...-bb18.html


bb18 busbar
http://www.littelfuse.com/products/fuse-block.../bb18.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuse_(electrical)

where on the box does it say bb18 is even a product from littlefuse?
No indication as to what is in the boxes at all.

fuse and feed lug are two different things.

troll on.

like what you're doing? Presenting yourself as an authoritative figure debunking every theory with a few sentences that provide no factual evidence what so ever to debunk anything in this thread.
Structuring what you say in way that preys on peoples emotional state that actually makes them questions the validity of their own intellect for asking questions that go against the "accepted" facts. Making people literally feel dumb and less than for asking questions to things that everyone knows don't add up.

You're a worthless pos!

gr8 b8 m8, i r8 8/8

Wow, you mean those two streaks on the underside that look nothing like missiles? They have no stabilizing surfaces, no radome, not to mention that they look more like strips of paint than anything else? Also why is the video you linked showing two different airplanes? Surely some tinfoil genius such as yourself would ask himself that? The liveries are completely different and one has its landing gears deployed.

And as for the retard someone made general - here's a controlled demolition for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4erFzhC-U

Unless you had only a single pair of grandparents you can easily spot that the process is bottom-up, instead top-down as happened to the towers.

Oh and that's all before a myriad of how the fuck do you involve even more people into your conspiracy i.e. two entire fucking airline operators to let go of two aircraft who then have to be modified by a team of mechanics, more airport personnel who watches civil aircraft with missiles on its underbelly all to crash into a building which according to your own goddamn retarded "picture proof" was rigged with explosives to blow up(the idiot pic says the pentagon was blown up by a missile[and not one attached to a plane], not the trade centers).

Seriously, check your family tree.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/movienight/3609529499

Yeah but in your family it's mandatory obviously.

building 7
https://youtu.be/bWorDrTC0Qg

Switching the subject without retorting a single thing from my post? Does it feel like you're accomplishing something in your head?

you post one vid of a demolition and assume that is how every demolition is done.
I posted a vid of building 7 being demolished.
There are plenty of vids you can go look up yourself on the myriad of topics surrounding 9/11.

most importantly, you didn't post anything worth arguing.

https://giphy.com/search/building-demolition

most importantly, you didn't post anything worth arguing.

Thank you for agreeing with me then.

i couldn't find a good copy of this.. so i posted the first one.
https://youtu.be/WlTYET9pYa8

Right, so you're switching from one dubious pixelated video to another as if that was your original point. But you still have none.

Is math a conspiracy to you as well because you never bothered to learn it?

https://youtu.be/RJ_jQgIEnI8

That's a great video. But I missed the part where this guy has any credibility in the field of structural engineering.

So just to be clear, we're adding NIST to the list of conspirators who are in on it? But still not one person has come out and said "yes it happened this way because I was part of it, here's the proof"?

buildings that tall would have to be blown up top down due to their size.
two buildings, identical in structure, hit in different spots collapse in the exact same way.
Each impact would effect each building differently. The dispersion of jet fuel would be different.
The contents in the offices on the floors hit would be different.
How the fires effected each building would be different.
Heat dispersion would be different.
The damage to the structural integrity of each impact would be different.
Yet each building collapsed in identical fashion.
The 2nd building hit, actually being the first to fall. Which had damage on the corner.

Then building 7 coming down later that day around 5-5:30pm ET in the more traditional manner as you posted.

I have no idea what happened that day other than the official story is bullshit.

I was making a point that it was not hot enough and didn't burn long enough to melt or weaken steel.

The fire is the most misunderstood part of the WTC collapse. Even today, the media report (and many scientists believe) that the steel melted. It is argued that the jet fuel burns very hot, especially with so much fuel present. This is not true.

Part of the problem is that people (including engineers) often confuse temperature and heat. While they are related, they are not the same. Thermodynamically, the heat contained in a material is related to the temperature through the heat capacity and the density (or mass). Temperature is defined as an intensive property, meaning that it does not vary with the quantity of material, while the heat is an extensive property, which does vary with the amount of material. One way to distinguish the two is to note that if a second log is added to the fireplace, the temperature does not double; it stays roughly the same, but the size of the fire or the length of time the fire burns, or a combination of the two, doubles. Thus, the fact that there were 90,000 L of jet fuel on a few floors of the WTC does not mean that this was an unusually hot fire. The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel.

In combustion science, there are three basic types of flames, namely, a jet burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame. A jet burner generally involves mixing the fuel and the oxidant in nearly stoichiometric proportions and igniting the mixture in a constant-volume chamber. Since the combustion products cannot expand in the constant-volume chamber, they exit the chamber as a very high velocity, fully combusted, jet. This is what occurs in a jet engine, and this is the flame type that generates the most intense heat.

In a pre-mixed flame, the same nearly stoichiometric mixture is ignited as it exits a nozzle, under constant pressure conditions. It does not attain the flame velocities of a jet burner. An oxyacetylene torch or a Bunsen burner is a pre-mixed flame.

In a diffuse flame, the fuel and the oxidant are not mixed before ignition, but flow together in an uncontrolled manner and combust when the fuel/oxidant ratios reach values within the flammable range. A fireplace flame is a diffuse flame burning in air, as was the WTC fire.

Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of the three flame types.

If the fuel and the oxidant start at ambient temperature, a maximum flame temperature can be defined. For carbon burning in pure oxygen, the maximum is 3,200°C; for hydrogen it is 2,750°C. Thus, for virtually any hydrocarbons, the maximum flame temperature, starting at ambient temperature and using pure oxygen, is approximately 3,000°C.

This maximum flame temperature is reduced by two-thirds if air is used rather than pure oxygen. The reason is that every molecule of oxygen releases the heat of formation of a molecule of carbon monoxide and a molecule of water. If pure oxygen is used, this heat only needs to heat two molecules (carbon monoxide and water), while with air, these two molecules must be heated plus four molecules of nitrogen. Thus, burning hydrocarbons in air produces only one-third the temperature increase as burning in pure oxygen because three times as many molecules must be heated when air is used. The maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1,000°C—hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1,500°C.
Figure 3
Figure 3. A cutaway view of WTC structure.
Figure 4--Web Link
Figure 4. A graphic illustration, from the USA Today newspaper web site, of the World Trade Center points of impact. Click on the image above to access the actual USA Today feature.
But it is very difficult to reach this maximum temperature with a diffuse flame. There is nothing to ensure that the fuel and air in a diffuse flame are mixed in the best ratio. Typically, diffuse flames are fuel rich, meaning that the excess fuel molecules, which are unburned, must also be heated. It is known that most diffuse fires are fuel rich because blowing on a campfire or using a blacksmith’s bellows increases the rate of combustion by adding more oxygen. This fuel-rich diffuse flame can drop the temperature by up to a factor of two again. This is why the temperatures in a residential fire are usually in the 500°C to 650°C range.2,3 It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich, diffuse flame as evidenced by the copious black smoke. Soot is generated by incompletely burned fuel; hence, the WTC fire was fuel rich—hardly surprising with 90,000 L of jet fuel available. Factors such as flame volume and quantity of soot decrease the radiative heat loss in the fire, moving the temperature closer to the maximum of 1,000°C. However, it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range. All reports that the steel melted at 1,500°C are using imprecise terminology at best.

Some reports suggest that the aluminum from the aircraft ignited, creating very high temperatures. While it is possible to ignite aluminum under special conditions, such conditions are not commonly attained in a hydrocarbon-based diffuse flame. In addition, the flame would be white hot, like a giant sparkler. There was no evidence of such aluminum ignition, which would have been visible even through the dense soot.

It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse. It was noted above that the wind load controlled the design allowables. The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable, which is roughly one-fifth of the yield strength of the steel. Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire.

The additional problem was distortion of the steel in the fire. The temperature of the fire was not uniform everywhere, and the temperature on the outside of the box columns was clearly lower than on the side facing the fire. The temperature along the 18 m long joists was certainly not uniform. Given the thermal expansion of steel, a 150°C temperature difference from one location to another will produce yield-level residual stresses. This produced distortions in the slender structural steel, which resulted in buckling failures. Thus, the failure of the steel was due to two factors: loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

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Woa, after all these years I finally get to see that mythical first picture

it's the not the only pic, or the only van with that gfx on.

If we cease buying consumer goods that we don't need even for a single day, then the communists terrorists win.

lol at the people on the planes that didn't fight for their lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1SojKfgNI

forgot about it myself

really ballsy for you to release this, bravo to you sir.

Youtube said that I had a community strike, but then it didn't seem to register. I'm lucky!

why no voice ika? :(

I didn't have time, I plan to reuse this in another video that will be more complete

I used to believe it 100% but given how outright dishonest the mainstream media and how shady the government is I honestly would not be suprised in the slightest if it was some higher ups who orchestrated the entire thing just for more of a reason to get more oil.

gg Mossad

RIP Michael Ruppert

Just go watch zeitgeist and you'll see the analysis made before hand.

Good ol' false flag policy.

100% inside job and even with all theories provided, this was enough scope for them to re-write some of the "rules" of the second amendment and all of the other great policies that America live by.

I think ika can definitely give chace a challenge for the throne here

Once again you show how clueless you are. If you want people to be faithful you have to get all of them involved. This is why its perfectly logic that israel and saudi arabia was involved.

Israel already attacked USA in the past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Kennedy was on the verge to agree to a dismentelment of the nuclear power of both USA and Russia. He of course also was against Israel nuclear weapon project and wanted UNO to visit nuclear plants in Israel. Israel agreed to not get nuclear bomb which was a lie. Since now they have at the very least 3 nuclear submarines gave from Germany and 300 nuclear heads, with nuclear plants producing plutonium. The nuclear plants were made using France's technology. Israel also killed many iranian engeneers in Paris who were officialy working with France to create nuclear plant in Iran and give the country the possibility to use electricity from nuclear fission.

Kennedy set an agreement with Israel, they would not try to get nuclear bombs if USA agreed to fully gear Israel with conventionnal USA weapons. USA gave last generation anti aircraft weapons to them and they immediatly proceeded to deploy them around Dimona (the name of the big nuclear plant producing plutonium) and said now you can't deny use the nuclear bomb. We will shoot any plan violating our airspace.

See this is agrumentation again, all you do is using derision, thats not scientific.

Also : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fE1wxdgdpk

I know you wont change your mind, judging by how fanatic you are, probably you are motivated by some personnal reasons.

I don't understand. Who are you replying too?

Not that anything in your post is wrong...

Sory the answer was for http://www.esreality.com/post/2892813/real-un...pid2893084 InTheory. There was a bug during the validation.

PWNED

Thanks anon.

How is that out of context?

Israel and USA is the same country, you could say Israel is the 51th state of USA. There is almost no semit jewish in Israel anymore.

By the way Palestine was an Ottoman kingdom back then, then Britain kicked Ottoman out of Palestine in the early 1900s then It was a Britanic military occupation/mandate, they then gave it to the biggest sionist organisations.

What does USA and Israel have in common?

They both were created after massive genocides. 2000 years ago cananean ethean amazics etc. ethnies were genocided (theese genocides are even clearly praised in their Bible) palestinians since 1948 until today.

USA was created on the massive genocides of native amerindians.

Black slave boats were often owned by jewish traders. They played a big role in that trade.
Vatican was against Conquistadors massacres.
Slavery is vastly praised in jewish Bible.


Back to 9/11, there was a joint venture in the Carlyle group btw Bush family and Ben Laden family. That's also facts.



Fact is Israel is the only neocolonial country in the world in 2017.

Fun fact : According to Israelian historians Christoph Colomb was most probably a maran jewish. Maran meaning a jewish falsly converted to Christianism.

my question to the conspiracy theorists:

how can the US government be so competent as to orchestrate 9/11 whilst concealing it in an attempt to justify the war yet couldn't plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they actually invaded it?

This would have been relatively simple and massively beneficial to the US.

It just makes zero sense...

"conspiracy theorist" thats disrespectful. You are also beliving in a theory, you are an "USA gov story theorist".

Several reasons explain this :

-Because all Iraki bases were visited countless amount of times by UNO inspectors and UNO claimed there was absoluty 0 mass destruction weapon in Irak BEFORE USA attacked.

-Another point is that there was (and there is still) an alliance of countries that were (and are still) in Irak. Namely Iranian forces Syrian forces Lebanon forces. Even Turkish forces today. And they all know there was no mass destruction weapons. So USA could not claim such thing. Also Irak is basicaly a desert its easier to track than countries with forest and clouds.

USA does not control Irak, the Irak war is lost. They can't make such scale lie there, while in USA they have full control of the whole country.

rational answer, thanks

You have to admire people like him - they can write but cannot read.

Are you talking about sryia? Right now the only significant forces in Iraq are the Iraqi military, the PMU, ISIS, and the Kurds.

How do you know there is no other than Iraqi military, the PMU, ISIS, and the Kurds?

By the way "the kurds" means nothing. Most kurdish people are in Turkey. Maybe u wanted to say PKK? Backed by USA.

Ofc there are Hezbolah forces in Irak. Even in Syria, Assad even thanked Iran for helping them so much fighting against USA and its Daesh mercenaries.

There are 2 sides in the middle east, the wahabosionist side (Saudi Arabia and Israel) and the resistance.

Maybe u wanted to say PKK? Backed by USA.

Yeah, that one, I cant keep track of which commie militia the kurds made.

I don't know, that's why I said "significant". I agree with you though. I know about Hezbollah forces in Syria, I got confused because those armies are also all in Syria. I've never heard of Turks in Iraq, just the FSA rebels or whatever that they work with in north Syria.

So they invaded Iraq because of incompetence?

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ika's baits are the best

For some reason the other night, I watched the movie (the original) Footloose. I never noticed it before, but by-golly there is not a single person of color in the entire movie, not a one! Then it struck me, it's a propaganda film for the white supremacist movement. The message is clear as day: you can do anything you set your mind to, as long as you're a god fearing white person.

Fuck me, all these years I never realized.

I thought about not dignifying this tread with my comment but I quickly realized it would be out of character.

Dear conspiracy Fucktards

I'm not from the US so I don't have a dog in this fight, but

Do you remember when fucking Nixon got fried? Thats right, the POTUS got wrecked by the Watergate burglary. No clear line surfaced that the president personally ordered it, but the judge asked for nixons secret recordings as well which showed that the guy is a total douche, so much so that he became a legend.
So a fucking president of the strongest country on earth had to leave even though he was just connected to it via his administration and we had a whistle blower, .
Do you think we will never know anything about what goes on? Really? Never?

Remember when fucking Reagan almost got fried with iran contra? That fucking shit blew up people and it was an arms deal, standard super power shit. It got leaked however ..
Really? Do you think ppl just shut up all over the world? Who is naive here?

Remember when fucking Clinton had his dick sucked? It was a simple dick sucking between two people. The POTUS himself again went down into the drain. Do you think we will never know something that brings the highest office / administration down? They can't even hide a dick sucking dude. Heh?

Remember Edward Snowden? The arab spring that caused regime collapses because of Wikileaks? Bradley Manning? The Panama papers? Do you think keeping secrets is easy? Where the fuck are you living?

Yeah, but those are the conspiracies they want you to know about so they can pull the wool over your eyes for the real super-duper conspiracies. You know, the ones only guys who can't handle their weed can spot.

goddamn hippies

If you don't have a dog in this fight, then why are you so angry?

Grr grr! Woof woof woof!

Cause I hate stupid shit. But I wasnt precise, I meant that the political undertones of 911 don't concern me.
Thank you for the question, I'm always happy to clarify not important details about my mental states and I'm glad every time when I can express my disdain towards politics.

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you fool.

You're replying to me because you like it! Prove it to me, I know you won't be able to resist replying to this comment!

Do I like it or am I angry, which is it then.
But I agree, I have a very low reply to comment threshold

Its both.

http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

Everyone knows that the University of Alaska is run by the jew lizardmen.

I dont think the argument from incredulity that the professor shows here is that convincing but I'm far from having the knowledge to actually judge the possible merits, just like prolly everyone else here. And I took static structures 101 in my school and regularly skipped autocad homework.
BTW I really like the logic behind the controlled demolition conspiracy:
We fly planes into skyscrapers but let's not disturb the neighborhood with buildings falling to random places

Flawless

What I want to know is, why are all these successfully famous people killing themselves while degenerate drug addicts all around me keep on going with their idiotic lives? Why are all these famous fucks dying while no politicians die? How many heart transplants has mr Rockefeller had now?

In other words, wtf?

What famous pepople? Do you mean the guy from that movie in the 70s xDDD or someone important?

DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS

So funny to watch dumb sheeple calling dumb to smart people.

"Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events."

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/14/whatabout7/

If theres something that takes 0 skill is repeating bullshit and not researching, yet in their primitive, dogma based minds, they also think theyre superior. They dont need proof to believe bullshit, why would they need proof to believe theyre smarter?

Someday soon it will be considered abnormal to be straight. Most will be jomosexuals and pedos will be making their way into the mainstream demanding their rights.

Pedos are already doing it, its the next step in the engineered social crumbling. Theyre slowly starting to use the same argument as homosexuals "we were born this way so accept it"... Note also the amount of pedo scandals coming out of the Christian church on mainstream media, also done on purpose to desensitize the sheeple...

Interestingly it's the kind of conspiracy/red pill/trump supporter/chinese cartoon fan/hardcore 4chan poster's imagination of a wife that she's 16, virgin and only supposed to be in kitchen and bedroom.

You people are much closer to hardcore Islam/IS ideology /middle age than educated modern people.

"educated modern people"

LOLWUT

Adoctrinated sheeple is the correct term for the average "modern people".

If theres something that takes 0 skill is repeating bullshit and not researching, yet in their primitive, dogma based minds, they also think theyre superior. They dont need proof to believe bullshit, why would they need proof to believe theyre smarter?

That's ironic cause I'm waiting for those studies mentioned in your clickbait "source". Come on, where is the research? Don't just repeat bullshit.

I'm also waiting for the evidence that the WTC was built with explosives from the start.

where in the studies does it say that those labelled conspiracists "appear to be saner"?

no bombs used.
buildings didn't collapse.
they turned to dust mid air.

https://youtu.be/Yb4I2T4uEvg

Soooo, the music in that video is really good. It's a short track called Prologue by a group called Electric Light Orchestra or ELO from the 1981 album Time, famously (or not) used - together with the next track in the album, Twilight - in the short animation called Daicon IV!

I don't get the point of 9/11 conspiracies. Like, assuming it is true that the Bush administration was the actual perpetrator: So what?
They are also responsible for many much worse crimes committed in the years after 9/11, for most of which the question of guilt is not up to debate, at all. Yet they are not persecuted for these crimes. So why try to get them on this minor nuisance about which the question of motif and possible perpetrators is extremely muddy? Idiotic.

Twin towers are quite a bit more important than all the places in Iraq, Afghanistan that bush bombed... it's a part of our country and a symbol of the strength of our society. A bunch of places in the Middle East- unless you are a Jew who likes seeing Arab states weaken, why care?

What shouldn't go overlooked in Thursday's report is that this is the third known instance in the past four years of an NSA breach resulting from insider access to classified materials. The best known case is whistleblower Edward Snowden, who was able to trawl through NSA networks collecting documents for an extended period of time before turning them over to reporters. In 2016, a separate NSA contractor, Harold T. Martin III, was arrested after he sneaked 50 terabytes of confidential material out of the NSA and stored it at his home in Glen Burnie, Maryland. The trove comprises as much as 75 percent of the exploits belonging to the Tailored Access Operations, the elite hacking NSA unit that develops and deploys some of the world's most sophisticated software exploits.

In May, The New York Times reported that an NSA employee was arrested in 2015 on insider leak suspicions but was never identified. It's not immediately clear if this insider is different from the one mentioned in Thursday's WSJ article. In a report published after Ars went live with this post, The Washington Post said the person who took the NSA material and stored it on his home computer was an NSA employee who worked for the Tailored Access Operations and was in the process of developing tools to replace those considered compromised by the Snowden leaks. The Washington Post went on to say the insider was the same one who came under suspicion in 2015

Adding further urgency is the series of highly damaging leaks made over the past 14 months by a mysterious group calling itself the Shadow Brokers. The trove has included some of the NSA's most potent software exploits and documents detailing past attacks. Whether the leaked Shadow Brokers material was the result of an insider theft or a hack by outsiders remains unknown.

Thursday's report means that yet another trusted insider was able to sneak documents and code outside of the NSA and not only store them on an Internet-connected computer but also one that was running AV software. Whatever role Kaspersky Lab played in the hack, the series of breathtaking security blunders made by the NSA and its workers should remain front and center in this reporting. *

One must wonder where they store the 911 data that everyone talks about, it is sure as hell that somewhere in russia someone is looking at some nsa generals dickpics

Guys remember when patreteus sent those emails to his lover? Haha