I like the idea behind it, wonder if it'll work out :)

Quake 4 World + Q4 MAX + Q4 X-Battle = Q4Maxbattleworld

You forgot wankmod ;(

forget the rest this one is the future, unless a cpm comes out ;p

it's impressive Q4W

First beta and very good !!!

And if CPM of Q4 ??
GG Staff.fr

Great to see rail nerved.

qw is great so i'll give this a try when i get home.

has anyone tried it yet?

I'll try it now. :)

Ok.

Way too much air control/accel, too easy to gain speed

feels to floaty

heard of painkiller?

yes? i felt the same about that too, whats your point

no point :)

those were mine compaints about pk

I agree with the floaty the movement feels to "airy" i think overall it needs an impression of friction as well as speed.

Aiming seems far to easy and it is way to easy to pickup speed.

The tele's are bugged dont know what they did but i have to do a 180 everytime i come out of the tele just to get back on track but when i get it right you can come out of the tele with blistering speed , not sure that if that was the intention.

Seems far more enjoyable than vq4 but thats probably due to my cpma experience.

Also dont know if it was my config or so but it seemed to be ignoring r_lightdetaillevel even when typed in after a few map changes.

Overall sweet beginning for an early release.

Like I posted in the other thread about q4w: Felt way better than vq4 tbh, I'd say this is how q4 should have been in the first place. But hey, that's just me.

A little more work and this mod will probably be THE SHIT.

I just tried it in listen server. Just hopped around a bit, but i totally agree: this is very close to how vq4 should have felt from the start.

cpma shouldn't be defined by air control... This plays totally differently than cpma so it's shit comparison, stop making it :D

weapon switch is amazing, it feels like a quake game again

Mirror 1 and 2 are the same.

:)))

they're very good mirrors.

Pretty good for beta1...do something original to it if you can other wize it wont take off. We have quakeworld, we have cpma, add something unique so its worth everyons time. In the meantime who wants to 1v1? #promode

- TDM can be played with more than 2 teams (A Team vs Team B vs Team C vs Team D)

Cool idea, LETS ALL TAKE DOWN TEAM D!! :D

even the first UT had the option to play a vs b vs c vs d.

three-team-domination was pretty cool actually :)

hehe, nice.. never seen it.. it's due to my q3 only (some ut2k3/4 instagib tho) life:D

even the first Unreal (not UT) had that option :)

oh.. ok :>

qw allows for basically any combination of teams, since u just /team teamname.

by the way, if you really want to have some fun pick up haste on the rose, talk about fast

In other words the first CPMA-like attempt. I do love how they don't mention CPMA anywhere though. Let's not piss vanilla people off just yet.

zzz

take it ez

Quakeworld for quake 1 had this kind of physics so.. no need to mention cpm

um, strafejumps? Hi there.

egd xD

cpma didn't invent strafejumps, hi there.

the combination of strafejumps and qw-style bunny is cpma.

you didn't say that anywhere but in this new reply :p

well I assumed he meant q4w's phyics by saying 'this physics'

90s quad is something only cpm have, qw,q2 = 1 min q3,q4 = 2min

So if they make a GTA style game, they shouldn't say it is like GTA, instead they should mention it is like the various clones that came after?

They are not making a QW clone. That's where you're wrong. They are making a full gameplay overhaul.

They are making it more of QW style game, just as the name suggests and just like CPMa did before them.

CPMA is not a QW style game and how can it ever be one when it has a railgun and MG as spawn weapon. Same for Q4W.

How can Nox, Sacred and Fate be Diablo style games when they are in different settings, have different spells and different abilities?

CPMa is a blend of Q1, 2 and 3. Either you can't play QW or you can't play CPM because they aren't that similar.

Remove q2 from the list and I will agree. CPMA doesn't have anything from Q2 excepting double jumps, which equals to not having anything from Q2 gameplay in it.

Armour system is all q2.

weapondropping

2-0

The only thing matching Q2 armor system is not being able to pick a YA when you wear more than YA top count. Max counts, protection levels and respawn times are different from Q2.
This is not attacking CPM. It's a nice, well balanced game. I just say it's not a mix of all Quakes. It's obvious to anyone who has played all quakes what games influence it seriously and what games don't. It simply doesn't have any Q2 feeling inside.

It simply doesn't have any Q2 feeling inside.

I just say it's not a mix of all Quakes.


not very convincing.

it does in tdm, ie the you are able to control an area by yourself mostly, which is very unlike vq3/vq4, also the weapon dropping, 100 spawns & before they nerfed the rail its application was simlair to q2's

Megahealth from Q2 (If I remeber correctly)

duel: mh spawns 20 seconds after it runs out, so basically max 100 +20 seconds

tdm: 35 seconds

cpma was the same idea as qw and this is the same idea as qw hense the name:)

QuakeWorld was an update to the Q1 engine and minor gameplay tweaks like an option for weapon stay.

CPMA was a mod for Q3 who sought to improve gameplay, no matter what games various things have appearing in before.

my point was cpma was based off QW physics and movement so its nothing new. neither is q4w its basically the same idea.

No it wasn't. CPMA was based on VQ3 physics, with stuff from both QW and Q2 included where it was deemed more appropriate for competitive gameplay.

CPM (not cpma) was a totally QW biased game, it didnt have doublejumping , full backpacks, a stronger shaft(?).

when arQon added multi arena support and it became CPMA it got some more features.

since 1.11 or 1.12, when arQmode (pm2) was included as some test feature CPMA has changed quite dramatically from the original cpma and cpm.

Q4W seems a lot like pre PM2 CPMA.

I strongly suggest they take a good look @ some of PM2 (current cpma) stuff. Like lowering the rail's damage.

It wasn't QW biased at all - it was competitive gameplay biased. It just so happened some QW-esque elements were desirable.

There were indeed some mistakes made like fast rail, but that doesn't change the intention, which wasn't at all to emulate QW.

it was QW biased because it had a lot of QW features blindy (!) taken over without truly reconsidering them.

it was QW biased because it was made by QW'ers and picked up by a lot of QW'ers.

Of course it was made competion, but that doesnt change the fact it was QW biased.

Cache of challenge-world.com/promode/changes

I don't see many QW specific changes there at all.

That's not true. CPM did have double jumps and as for the strong lg and backpack these are features that remained long after arQon took over as lead programmer. The armour system also changed a few times. You can check the difference by downloading the Lansanity beta. It will only run under 1.17 though.

CPM was as much QW-biased as the later versions, which is a lot but not totally. There were quite a few ppl from Q2 in the design team but it's true that it didn't attract many Q2 players.

cpm (not cpma) didnt have doublejumps @ start

I have an old quake3_117.exe + challenge_pm mod on my computer ;P

CPM beta 0.85 'Lansanity Edition' released June 30, 2000. That's the oldest version I have and it does have double jumps. I can't guarantee for anything prior to that.

I stand corrected, just tested it

still it doesnt change much about the fact it was heavily QW biased :P

I AM GONNA KILL YOU + FAMILY

The correct answer was ramp jumps, yes, ramp jumps.

that's funny as it is a QW featured :)

BUT IT'S STILL QW BIASED

best mod till now..
very good for beta 0.1

i dont like cpma for q3..
but this mod for q4 is way better for the game like the way it
is right now.all fun and speed is back to our hands.
Great job, waiting for more.

Ill ask you also

Why would you like this if you didnt like cpm? unless you had soem stupid reason to dislike cpm

CPMA WAS CODED BY ARQON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You like me enough to remember me? Awww

Who are you?

I didn't know there was more than one person that you responded to 15 times in one thread about hating arQon. :)
Remarkable isn't it, hes such a good guy!!

lol, idiot.

Who cares if he is a nice guy or not.

lol, idiot.

Maybe you should go back to the TMP map thread and ask yourself that same question.

Points for copying my closing statement, I thought it was good as well.

Ok you care.

stupid reason? u are such a lol.
anyway i said why..
"but this mod for q4 is way better for the game like the way it
is right now.all fun and speed is back to our hands."

You still didnt answer why you disliked cpm, try again :/

yes because this isnt the point of my reply..
im not talking about cpma and why i dont like it,
but i im talking about q4w and that is much better than vq4.
the only reason i reported cpma was because q4w has
similar movement with promode.thats all.end of story.thank you.bye.
try better next time.

Because you have no good reason

Don't waste your breath Drex, he doesn't have a good enough reason other than having been shafted the first time he played CPMA:P

wooooowwwwwww super,
thanks

for asking!!!!

Excellent for the 1st beta release my intrest in q4 has just been given a new lease of life.

Yeah let's split the huge q4 community into small parts so there's not a chance for us to build something interesting !

So any and every mod should just quit now and we should all play vq4. No q4max, no xbm, no ra4, and so on. Just what ever the devs have for us. Sounds great.... : /

mods like xbattle tries to add a few features without changing any major rules... so playing q4base or xbattle isn't much different, it's just a bit better.

mods like this one changes everything on the game, this can be fun but this also makes the esport community weaker.

more players on this mod, less players on the q4base which is the base for big tourneys, so less competition so less interesting.

we had the same on ut2k4 with instagib. onslaught, ... a lot of mods and not a single community

UT has always been divided between NW and insta it just got worse with 2k4 coz of onslaught aswell although i dont think it was that popular

i don't get how igib got this popular in the ut2k series.. never had that ut1 feeling and totally disliked the new one..

how about if more players start playing this mod, then tourneys pick it up and q4base is dropped in major tournaments ? ftw :)

yep and what about a world full of nice people loving each other ?

yes because q4 right now is such a fun and enjoyable game.

Huge community? :o

Seems like it's just a few clans and two dozen or so ppl playing pickup over and over all day ;)

ever heard of irony ?

:/ excuse me for thinking he was serious.

or sarcasm for that matter ;)

Quake 1 was also split in 2 parts by Quakeworld ...
but only QW survived.
Hopefully it will be the same here ...
They made good changes to the game ...
Q4 out of the box is really not that great ...

according to my ASE q3 has been split up into 25 gaming communities!!!! damn you excessive, damn you!!!!!!!

Forcing people to stick to one mod would do more to kill the game than having many. Players of certain types will cluster together with the correct mod for them over time.

cause vq4 is the shit rite, everyones taste
Hell yeah!
lol

huge? i think we are playing different games the q4 community isint very big at all.

this seems like pretty good fun :p

air control seems a bit much as does the lg damage (its not that hard to aim) but other than that a decent mod that could become something really nice

comment26 reminded me that the rl feels really good with the faster rof/projectile ;D

yes playing actf with scout was fun, wish there would have been an haste too ;DDDDD

rockets feel much better :( fkn slow q4

Aaaaaaah

Loving the fast switch, and the HUD, and the weapon sounds, and the fast rox, and and and....

Too much air control though. This is great, pity it won't be used on the pro circuit :) If the weapon changes were added to battle/max, I'd be one happy chappy. Great for first beta.

This is gonna spawn a splinter community :)

I find all of this "splitting the community" talk pretty funny. Play what you want to play and shut yer pie hole :)

I said 'splinter'.

did he mention you?
thor etc spoke of the community splitting

O RLY?

Thought he had replied to my message, but it seems thats not the case.

Decker :o

i hope this takes off :D

i won't really be that disappointed if it splits the community another fold, it would be nice to keep all the railwhores out of one mod :)

I wont play anything that alters the q4 movement since its too hard to get the groove back in q4 after playing another game for awhile so I guess I wont be playing this.

Backpacks(with weapon and all ammo) for TDM?

i really didn't like the movement. It felt a little jumpy

I believe the movement could be tweaked a bit, can't put my finger on what exactly is amiss but I'm sure the devs have not finalized it - however, props, very nice beta.

Mmmm... good stuff.

PURRI WONT LIKE THIS!!!

hehe

You can turn way too fast(like PK) and it's also a bit too easy gaining speed, otherwise I like it alot :D

Love the rockets in this mod hmm

$

wish the cpl had the balls to use this :\

What do you people think? Can't our Q4 community make this MOD official? How about having Q4W collaborate this into the next Q4Max release - the version of Q4Max after this week's release of Q4Max if I'm not mistaken.

1. Similarities to classics: Did you start up Q4 Multiplayer and say to yourself - why is this not as fast as Quake 3 was!!? Oh man! This MOD makes Q4 have an almost exact-same-feel with movement in QII and a very close resemblance to the fast-paced speed that was seen in Q3A.

2. Armor System: The armor system is similar to that of what PK was, with green, yellow, and red armor each with armor giving one a higher ability of holding armor on their suits - i.e. Yellow Armor allows a player to hold max approximately 100 armor, Red Armor allows a player to hold max approx. 200 armor. This requires very stragic armor control on the played map if one is to become successful in defeating their opponent.

3. Visability: FOV limit has been increased!!! Now you can play at almost any desired FOV and not have the typical Q4base FOV limitation between 90-110 (in Q4base 90 is minimum and 110 is absolutely maximum). Many players including myself find it more comfortable to play at a higher FOV such as 120 - 130 or thereabouts.

4. Some weapon factors: The Grenade Launcher fires a bit faster! The Rocket Launcher fires a bit faster! The Lightning Gun does more damage! If one thinks about this in comparison to other weapons, the weapon balance becomes more complete because a shotgun shot at close range most of you I'm sure know, is very lethal with little armor. Therefore, shouldn't other weapons become more lethal as well? When looking at the Rail Gun, its fire speed becomes a bit slower to compensate for it being the most lethal weapon in non-DM games.


Closing thoughts: One can argue that the Q4base speed of weapon-fire is a skill-based accuracy deal thats derived from that of Quake 3 Arena. But wouldn't it be nice to create a new standard for Quake 4, instead of going with the old weapon ways? Obviously iD and Raven decided to go with Q4base, but can't we work together to make this a new CPL standard MOD? Lets work as a community to make this as standard as what Q4Max is today!

-Thanks

So wait, everyone bitches that they don't want a CPMA type mod (which this is closer to then vq4), and then praises when one comes out?

loller

who ever said that?

thats cuz arQon is evil am i rite

yes

:)

Indeed, tbh i think those most cpm haters hated it for other reasons than the mod

1)CPM players slagging off VQ3 thus they returned the favour
2) arQon :P
3)Got madskillz in vq3, played one game vs some unknown nub in cpm and got raped
4)Cos every other vq3 sayign cpm sucks it must suck even tho they never tried it

Granted there are people who didnt like cpm because it wasnt there style, just like a quake player not liking cs style game.

Dunno just find it funny that so many people moaned about cpm/qw ir control, theres blood way more in this than either of those, its too much imo

Agreed :)

whats up with 2)? (im not a quaker)

People don't like arQon

Drex personnely I pretty much dismissed cpma because I really liked vq3 with osp. With quake 4 its different. Im frigging amazed nobles playing quake 4 too ? If you disliked vq3 so much how the fuck can you like vq4? It's slower and more rail based more quake 2 ish.

I wont flately deny some of the other things you listed had a effect on my opinion too though :)

Your right the 'Nobles' of old arent playing Q4 really, only me and emp who as you well know did play vq3 alot, the rest of them wont play as q4 is more cessy than vq3 :D, so i invited the jizz players to play for nobles in tdm as i play with them in cga for ctf

I dont like q4 tdm much but its the only tdm around for me to play, ctf is actually decent, i always liked vq3 ctf anyways(hated cpm ctf)

Its such a shame that the modern day gimps equate anything with air control or fast movement with CPMA when the aforementioned mod in fact modified those things in q3 order to make the game more like QUAKEWORLD in the first place.

Oh well, can't fault this mod because the quake3 gimps equate it with their sandbox that no one of skill wanted to play in. Heres a hint fellas, in this mod you aren't rewarded for moving around maps so fast to snag items while AVOIDING confronting your opponent, even when you are up. Obviously most of you have translated these 'leet skills' into your posting habbits, as you fly to type something quick with no substance while missing the actual point.

But, gimps are gimps for a reason.

Everyone knows the movement came form qw, YOU missed his point which was the amount of people who post here sayign this is great yet these same peopel cryed about air control in cpm

I think drex said it well, but i'll restate it because I hate being insulted by idiot "gimps".

Everyone knows that CPMA took elements from qw, my point was referring to the large number of people who were verbally against a CPMA type mod (with qw features), but then a mod with qw features is released, and people praise it.

A speaking of flying to type something quick with no substance while missing the actual point... lolololol

I reckon! What the HELL is going on there?!

People are such sheep.

lets divide an already very small community.

buy a gun (you're american anyways) and tell people to play vq4 solely, or you will shoot.

WHAT, DID THIS MAN JUST PULL A CLEVER NATIONALLY BASED INSULT OFF?!?!

HES AMERICAN SO HE CAN BUY A GUN. OH ROFL I HAVE TO TELL MY FELLOW COUNTRYMEN OUT BACK IN THE SHACK SHAGGING OUR SHEEP ABOUT THIS ONE!!

our sisters and cousins*

I'm sorry, was this what you meant to post:

"I'm much too f*cking retarded to be witty, so heres my best attempt"?

Its call Eurotrash for a reason. And that reason is I can.

well, the way you react says more than enough, you serioulsy take it up high for something that wasn't even meant as a insult, nice one.

you have a shitty sense of humor.

Oh wow, what an insult, we can buy guns.

JOO CAN BUY GUNS!!!118!8&81818

lol

I belive we need alot more mods if we're gonna make a decent community at all.. Bring on ra4 i say, that will give at least some 20% extra players :)

0.20 x 17 = ?

you mean 1.20 x 17? ;)

17 + 0.2 x 17 = ?

I justed wanted to know how many players would be new, not the total :<

I didn't say a number because when i checked thee was about 250 online, which was in the morning, so i guessed noone was playing, but if i look now i can take the average or something .. 500.. 75 :)

you trust gamespy stats?

gamespy and trust does not really fit, no. But it's not that bad i recon, maybe a -20% error ;)

I'm impressed. From reading your posts I would have assumed you would have killed yourself years ago. Props for carrying on!

No, i wouldn't make that claim. I'm too interested in the future to kill myself.

Thanks tho <3

If you enjoy playing as part of a large community try this.

Hardly any game play mods, hundreds of thousands playing.

you're a buffoon if you believe a games popularity has nothing to do with its professional and competitive longevity.

obviously

What game has one of the longest "professional" and competitive scenes?

And why did we spend the last year whining about Painkiller only having 17 people playing?

It IS a mod, stop trying to look smart...

The half-life community was also very small until Counter-Strike came.

Damn good mod :)

One thing I've noticed with it though, is that when I go through teleporters, I usually come out facing more "down" than i did when I went through. :o bug?

<3 q4w rockets

you get faced down if you jump just before entering the tele, like the last split second before you enter.. when you jump through from a distance it doesnt happen

makes q4 actually fun

really nice on swq4dm2beta2, makes a good q4w duel map

[fps-tmp]swq4dm2beta2version2.0.0.1.5.0patch3.55

As for the comments about not splitting the "already small" community. I pre-ordered and played two games of DM before putting it on the shelf. This may force me to dust it off...

i jumped around on it a bit, and so far i like it :)

now it needs maps with this movement style in mind, atm not many work well with it, imo.

Anyone got any server ip's yet?

Not bad at all! Looking forward to the further development of this, though the movement might need a bit tweaking.

Sounds fucking awesome. Gotta try it out when I get a chance.

its like a cpma/painkiller hybrid :O!

i'd recommend in the next releases, make it so there's less pk-type air control, and more qw-like air control (you can steer yourself but can't strafe sideways mid-air like pk). also bunny hopping with strafe keys should pick up speed if you're turning in the direction of the strafe key being pressed. forwards bunny hopping should be removed altogether. and strafe jumping needs to be nerfed to little more than a circle jump to take off.

i mean, the mod is called quake4world, so i assume you want it more like qw :) or you could continue in this direction

agreed ;D

forward bunny can be more usefull than "strafe bunny" in some cases : )

i like the feel of it... but damn, even with QW movement i cant reach the end of apa_strafeschool :<

Then your movement REALLY sux :D

yeah, coming from UT, totally NOT used to strafejumping etc. (played threewave ctf next to ut for quite a while, but only on pubs...)

ah well :< untill now im doing ok in duel and tdm ;D so everything will be fine :F

lol, newb :<

me neither :/

What extra FPS tweaks have been applied? Cause when i first loaded the mod my config wasnt executed as a whole and i still seemed to have decent frames?

That's cos most tweak configs don't actually get you any fps and just look ugly?

Amuse yourself here

Interesting.

Please make (convert) the popular QW maps to Q4W:

dm2.bsp
dm4.bsp
dm6.bsp
dm3.bsp
e1m2.bsp
ztndm3q.bsp
ztndm3.bsp
aerowalk.bsp
slip.bsp
skull.bsp
rf2test.bsp

Do not make any changes to them, just convert :)

It would be awesome

Please no, can we please just make and use new maps.
sick of old boring maps.

classic maps dont get boring

they do

don't you just love opinions? =)

:>

I think the classic maps are really nice if you just come back for a few games and just play what you have been playing for years. But to start a new game you'll most likely want new maps to not get the same damn feel and tactics you've already been using in another game for years, especially when it will then feel most likely slightly different (ie, shit in general) than what you're used to.

true =)

Nice will try, been waiting for something like this, not liking vq4 till now too frigging slow.

Any western Europe servers ?

Yeah, very nice work. I may dust off Q4 to try this out online. The fast pace will breath new life into a dying Q4

Hope this MOD gets popular fast :)

Works well enough - can turn a bit steeply with no ups penalty and like mink said, it's a bit easy to accelerate, but nice one...


..cept. No linux. Wanted to put some test servers up for everyone :/

You see I don't understand this ups penalty when turning too steeply in CPMA. Can anyone show me a thread where this was discussed prior to being included in CPMA or just give me a good reason, because I think its unnecessary and it just slows the game down. Im a qw player and thats the only thing that totally pisses me off in CPMA. For example you rocket jump and start hopping to reach massive speeds then you turn at a too high angle and bang you get "wind in the face". HEH thats exactly how it feels. I really hope q4w crew leaves it as it is, although some fine tuning of movement is still required imo. But yeah its a fucking great mod, should be standard in every tournament but of course im biased ;-)

He's saying its too easy to gain speed, even compared to qw

Yes I agree with that and it needs to be changed but I was talking about turning in midair.

http://esreality.com/?a=post&id=886916&page=1 :)

starts getting interesting halfway down. short quote from ix-ir (second page):

"Now the flip side is the point about limitless air control. The reason limitless air control doesn't work is because now there's no map, the player will be at any position of velocity multiplied by times worth of distance from where they are now. So to make air control meaningful you have to have a system rather like promode's. We use the idea of costs in our design and it applies to the movement very strongly: the sharper your turn the greater your loss of speed up to a dead stop. You're trading potential movement in the future for an unexpected position right now. A player who knows how the air control and air acceleration works has a mental map of the fastest routes from A to B in each area of a map with variations based on their skill-level, by deviating from these routes you're paying a cost in greater exposure. They also overlay a 'player desires' map of useful items and cover on top."

@ http://esreality.com/?a=post&id=886916&page=2#pid891052
(the original post is a lot longer, definately a good read)

Thanks, interesting read.

very nice point. except quakeworld had a fine movement system, which better suited sharp turns, and was still very difficult to master (sorry forwards bunny hopping is fun but easy). so why bother recreating a wheel thats inferior? quakeworld4ever!

Yeah design covered it in depth and I agree with their conclusions as both a cpm and qw player

<3 agree completely. i whined about that a lot when i started cpma.

take out forwards bunny hopping while they're at it.

<3 @ forward bunnies
aka
handicapped polish-bunnyjump =)

linux is coming dont worry

Very, very nice idea and good work. I do not like slow, aim focused game, I love QW.

I wonder what the next updates of Q4MAX and X Battle will include. Probably no spectacular changes until after CPL Winter, but the community will somehow need to decide how Q4 for tournaments needs to be tweaked. I'm all in favour of faster movement (Painkiller!) and instant weapon switch, but who will decide... only the dev teams?

At the moment, the sliding/crouching jumps don't get me excited in terms of speed, the movement needs to be improved to make room for much more skill. Painkiller's movement speed was spot on for an exciting tournament game - simply walking around and having a good aim doesn't cut it anymore in duel games.

after watching Vo0 and ztrider move around the maps, the movement seems alot nicer to me than i at first thought. its actually a quite fast paced game :) or atleast can be. (no pk speeds ofcourse but still)

I guess and hope, this will be the multiplay component of q4. Because the features rock, and qworld was great.

u should mail this to raven and say:
"here, we made the game for you just include this in the next patch and everything it will be fine" *pat on head *

haha

I was never a fan of CPMA or PK but i am looking forward to trying this out, i will see if i can get it put on our server later today.

Job well done!!

Why would you like this if you didnt like cpm? unless you had soem stupid reason to dislike cpm

I looked forward to playing cpm when it first came out, same as i did painkiller, both turned out shit (IMO before you start crying). Whats wrong with me looking forward to playing 1 of the first real mods for q4? any more stupid questions?

Again you avoid answering what it is you disliked about cpm gameplay which isnt in this mod?

If you disliked cpm fair enough dood, i just find it funny cpm hater seem to like this or even think these changes will be fun when they werent in cpm?

Ive made a post further down as to why soem people dslkiked cpm which didnt actually have anything to do with the gameplay

Wasn't aware you wanted reasons. I know it had been discussed lots years ago but hitboxes generally felt like they'd been modified in someway, rail accuracy seemed to increase a fair bit i noticed and lg was far more easier, for me anyway. It just felt too modified from what i was personally used too (osp), i dont flame people for playing cpma, doesn't mean i can't dislike it. As well as the modified feeling, a good player didnt necessarily have to have a decent aim anymore, he could just bore his opponent to death for 10 mins flying round a map :-)

Fair enough, all i wanted was a decent reason

Thats that sorted then ;-)

Fair enough 100% typical newbie 'i've played 1 duel on cpm3' type response

1. Rail acc increased because netcode isn't shit anymore
2. Hitboxes are the same
3. LG is actually harder
4. Aim is as important as movement. However, aim is not far superior to movement like in vq3.

lol "typical newbie", i've been playing quake at most levels for years.

Everyones entilted to there own opinion, mine is cpma is crap, don't take it personally now :-)

I never said any of what i mentioned above was FACT, i said thats how it felt to me personally, all though a lot of people who dislike CPMA were of similar thinking.

Get over it, cpma was always in the back seat to osp.

Actually I get better shaft stats in cpma than Vq3 (I think it is due to less shots per second)

I'm not a fan of cpma either, ive tried it more times than i can remember over the years wanting to like it but it just doesnt grab me, and i think you commented well ". It just felt too modified from what i was personally used too" i agree with this, i'm also no cpma hater and still play it on ocasion.

Another reason for my dislike of cpma is probably because i enjoy some QW which is different enough to be an entirly different experiance. i would try this mod if i hadnt uninstalled q4 allready :)

I knew you'd see things my way :D

it seems all people are avoiding your questions.. stfu?
:o))

lol I remember in Jizz, u never even had the mod :)

Yeah thats kinda my point :(

Wrong, i played several games actually :-)

why lie, liar?
emb will back me up on this :)

Think you'll find i played a few practice games with you.

Why the hell would i lie about something so trivial? moron.

simmer down m8, was a joke.

ned

:P

i love it ! better loody weapon switch :D

man this makes quake so much better

Now add mouseaccel , weapon drop and double jumping ! =D

LOL. Imagine weapon drop in Quakeworld (the same armoursystem, RL damage etc). It was gg. :)

Will maybe allow those few pk players to actually not fall off the face of gaming. Now they can rely on their movement again :o

yeah lets hope fat does...!

great mod. really much better improvment compared to other mods and the vq4.


/Ser

The armor system is superior, but I'm having some doubts regarding the weapon damages. See, qw's 250/sec shaft was appropriate for the time given as there were no peeps praccying 12h per day what is a harsh reality today. I think even 150/sec shaft kinda eliminates otherwise perfect armor setup, not talking about 120 dam rox.

I was waiting for this <3 keep it up

excellent.

I am not playing a mod, which does not add the most important change: some form of single-light feature, to actually make the maps playable. I'll wait till then.

play the custom maps or TMP pack.

Just one thing: Is this a true beta? I mean, are these all the options it's going to have and is it now just big/beta-testing.
Or is it really an alpha and do you plan many other features?

This is the 1st beta of a 0.1 release so there's only some features of the long list we have.
Regarding weapons, they are still as they were when Stef made a pk4 just to give it a try so that needs to be discussed properly.

Kar4.

I like the weapons alot and rocket jumping feels fixed too mate. Just remove the air movement and its perfect :)

This is the first good news I've heard for quake 4 in a long time.

I played it for a few days after purchase, really trying to make myself like it. Then stopped.

I've tried several times since then, but every time I just can't get into it. And it's not like I don't want to - I am SO bored of quake 3, it sincerely wouldn't bother me to never play it again.

But quake 4 absolutely lacks that 'something' which sets it apart. And I don't mean a 'something' that can be made up for in a simple point release, more FPS and a few tweaks here and there. Imho, there is something fundamentally missing, and I don't see Raven or competition mods really fixing that something any time soon.

On the off chance this gets big, this gives me hope that I might have actually wisely invested the $50 I spent on quake 4.

My $.02.

yea something is wrong with q4, its more fun getting raped 50 nil in qw than it is to win in q4, but maybe a patch or mod will give it that something extra, only time will tell

Chances of that are slim though :/

WATCH AND LEARN, ARQON! :-)

? www.promode.org think he's done this before

You didn't get irony. I was about doing something good instead of talking bullshit and doing nothing except whining how q4 is bad.

Since arQ's working on the main Q4 competitive mod Q4MAX and has been a major force behind starting the mod commons project isn't the irony on you?

Haha! The jokes on YOU...for trying to reason with logic on esr :)

Bleh! I toned it down, I was going to post a simple snipe at american + getting irony not happening. =D

have u heard of qw thats where cpma came from....

o that must be the game i first played in 97 :(

whats your point?

Whow, gonna check it out tonite, im a big qw fan :P, till now q4 sucks ass :P, mabe this changes it

Some map locs and team overlay would be nice :(

This is so sad to see. Like lambs to the slaughter.

Yeah, god forbid enjoying q4w when you could be pounding your face into a wall trying to "preserve" the playerbase in vq4.

As a side note, I think this mod will bring alot of people back to playing quake4 albeit in a modified form, which is alot better than watching the number of people playing the game whittle away until what's left are 16 shattere...

I don't give a shit about Q4. I just think it's sad that people won't play the original Quakeworld when it's approximately 10.000 better than any mod out there. Oh well, you play whatever you want. As long as you're not on the street robbing old ladies, i'm happy.

Couldnt agree more.

Yeah, you do have a point. Things seem to have gone so backwards in terms of gameplay :/

Although, q4w is certainly different from qw in many aspects and its sure as hell more fun than vq4. Since it brings an enjoyable newish mix, it has alot of people's attention for now and I certainly don't mind enjoying the game for the time being. If however no servers ever pick the mod up, I'll go back to robbing old hags :<

People wont play it cos theres oldskoolers like you who'd rape them silly :P

says someone who still cant do the stairs to mh jump *cough* \o/ now drex you finally should learn to do trickjumps :PPPPPPP

You learned stair to mh? = DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
i will [+] you if you are not lying! PROOOF! : D

*GNNNNNN* HELLO I'M NORMAL!1 xDDDDDD

Dood im old skool ill rpae you without trick jumps, real men rocket jump

Quote of the year.

There will almost always be people who are better than you in any game you play. I would even find it less painful to lose against a 6 year old QW team than a completely new "Q4W"-team because then it really would be your own team that's less talented. :P In QW you could just go on about how the other teams have played for 6 years (or maybe 9...) already. ;)

then they have bigger problems, because thats life.

agreed

if it weren't for everybody i know playing quake4, and people's refusal to go back to QW i'd play that all day.

when the original quake/doom/descent were out, i'd waste hours, literally 4 or more at one sitting and not notice at all the time that has passed. i'm much older, but i still get that experience when i play qw, not cpma, not q4, not ut, nothing else feels like that. throw in the fact the movement system is more difficult to master, and perfectly complements the epitome of skill-based fps. only CPMA made such a nice balance of the old with the new 'aim'based (kinda BS imho, i'm a complete newbie to competitive DM, and my aim is leagues better than anything else i possess because i thought aim mattered. it doesn't. its still all about combining aim, movement, control, and strategy. so people who prefer "aim-based" games that lack any of the other things are just wasting their time forcing themselves to needlessly miss out on some fun)

and its not because of my age. kids don't love games like we used to back then. they love the competition maybe, but not the games. the way quake4 is now, nobody will be clinging to it when quake5 rolls around, kind of like nobody (statistically) clings to UT200X.

Kids these days have no clue about what a real FPS game is about. They've been raised on CS patheticism.

man the tricks you can do with this are sick, its to much... ill try and post it later on avi (if i get it on avi :D) so you can see what i mean an ajust the sickness..

* Edit * http://www.ophelders.demon.nl/Movies/q4wdm17.avi there is the trick, recorded with fraps quality sucks, but i think it says enough...

(the jump to rail is a rampjump (no rockets used)

pretty sick movement!

good job

the movement feels already very solid
bunny hopping + crouch sliding

$$$

We need a whole new game not a new, with the same old things... so stop converting old maps instead of making new ones.

You accelerate way to fast and the aircontrol needs to be tone down too...

i think it sounds good, however im not gonna try it yet, why?

- I already learned that the aircontrol seem to crazy?
- I dont hear anything about a tweaked netcode?
- What about pm skins(brightskins) how do they work?
- "lots of weapon tweaking" doesnt give much clue to what exact tweaks, and even reading on site seems to let some out?
- The weapons balance seems ruined? this might be the whole idea, but the smaller hitbox, higher rocket speed and damage seems a bit ? well dunno... odd i guess. Rail with same damage higher reload, less ammo compared to the new lg and rl seems to be rendered useless...
- What about spawntimes? instant spawn after kill or still have to wait forever like in vq4?

Great initiative though, many of the changes might work, and seems theres great room for improvement as well.

are there any europe servers with q4w already ?

waiting for linux

good start!

hmm cpma haters dont give cpma a chance imo, alot of ppl play it die and give up

unfortunately q4 doesnt run properly on my pc plus ive to study a lot for my final exams... nego you are so damn lucky, fear they day you face me in q4w! \:D/

Awesome mod. Definitely needs some tweaking but overall it felt pretty good. Love the speed.

haha, def <3

I liked it alot ! is there any servers?

btw, its funny to see all the cpmpickup doods posting in this thread :P

Everyone's tired of !promote for 5 hours straight just to get a single game going once every other day ;)

[ + ]

SERVER PLZ

this is what we all been waiting for.
but the movement needs a littlebit of tweaking, when you land in a ramp at Bliptorney you cant jump.
a bug i think

PK all over again, gg.

best quake4 mod from far.

I like it a lot :]

sounds great can't wait to play it...i hope the rail gun will have a less dominent role to play in q4w than in vq4/vq3 ... Eventhough i think cpma got it right with the rg q4w is not cpma ..i think having the reload time and having less slugs is a good orginal idea

suggestions

1) Take crouch slides out they have a place in vq4 because you have no air control. I don't think you need both superior air control and ground control, you should have to lose the speed when you want to be on the ground moving.
2) As everyone else said tweak out the movement some so you dont accelerate quite as quickly.
3) truelightning cvar
4) Do something unique with this mod. One example:
-Yellow Armors could have a lightning resistance
-Brings entirely new thoughts into the players mind.
Does my enemy have a lightning gun right now?
Do I want to go for the Red Armor right now or a Yellow Armor?
Just one of the millions of ideas that have not been explored by the mod community yet.

Dont get me wrong i know its just a suggestion, but adding resistance to items would be hard for a spectator not playing the game to understand, which in the long run would hurt the game... Adding some runes or other powerups to 1on1/TDM than the usual ones might be an idea that would be easier to percept for the general spectator/new player.

huh, i doubt that about spectators. Blood 1 had those different types of armor resistance and it was great. i still dont know why no one else tried this.

Even before I started playing Quake I knew it stands for fast gameplay, violence, ferociousness and a dark (satanic?) atmosphere. Quake 4 out-of-the-box was lacking all those aspects in my opinion. It feels too cluncky and just not with the same atmosphere the rest of the Quake series had. With the release of this mod (just in the beta stage!!!) I believe Quake 4 is getting much closer to what a Quake game should be like.

People who compare it to CPMA, should probably give CPMA a try. The most important similarity both mods share is that they have aircontrol (to different extents, though).

The Q4w menu/logo is really good. The HUD needs more work, bot overall this is a very good mod which actually makes Q4 enjoyable. And i'ts even just in the beta stage.

"CPMA is not a QW style game "

These comments piss me off.

CHALLENGE pma came about because of a collection of old skool Quakeworld players like Hooney and Griff who ran the Challenge network challenge-eu, challenge-world and challenge-tv amongst others who were not happy with the way vq3 was and wanted to make it more like QW.

to say CPMA is not a qw style game is just a comedy statement. its even named after the quakeworld sites that came up with the idea

Go read the list of the people that took part in the CPMA design team and stfu. You're clueless.

afaik the mission was not to make it more like qw solely, but to make q3 better. It took good things from q1, q2 and added in more stuff on its own. CPMA has similarities with qw but it is quite different in other aspects.

This man speaks the truth.

people will always associate qw and cpma. the biggest, most drastic change in cpma is the movement. it is a fundamental part of any FPS, and gameplay is (sometimes radically) altered as a result.

When I read about the original concept (For CPMA)etc in places it seems very similar to this.

I guess youve never been to www.promode.org ?

it feels more interesting then baseq4 for sure, but personally I absolutely dislike that instant weaponswitch in combination with the rail, its just... terrible... "need rail so I can add a random railshot to every action i take gg"

Actually you just switch instantly if you weren't firing. If you were shooting, you'll switch after the current weapon has reloaded. So what you're talking about just applies when you switch from high firerate weapons like mg or shaft. And even tho it's doesnt feel like the instant switch in cpma, I mean that's how I feel it but the switch LG->RG in q4w in not as fast as in cpma.

(I should register btw...)

Kar4.

I was aware of that, in my personal flavour its terrible tho. Thats not meant as an offence to you or your work, which I consider as a cool approach. I found that disgusting in cpma too

I don't consider it as an offence anyhow :) And I totally understand somebody can dislike instant switch.
I just feel this one is in a position between real instant switch and something just faster than vq4. Feels good for me I should say :)

Stop playing cheap copies, play the original QUAKEWORLD!

prepare for the shaft-rail-whoring xD or try to keep your opponent away from either taking rg when it got shaft etc :PPPP

Some advice, not in any order of importance -

1. Finish the gameplay ASAP, and stop fucking tweaking it. You will never have a perfect game and continual tweaking isn't going to get it perfect. It will piss off the players though and be more negative in the long run than positive. Part of gameplay is history which builds up as players compete. Everytime you make a small change you lose gameplay history.

2. Don't evangelize the mod. Conversely you shouldn't explain why you made the gameplay the way it is.

3. Make new maps, not remakes!

4. Concentrate on getting good gameplay, and features for primarily TDM/CTF/CA. Duel doesn't build a community. Plus it's likely all the big money tourneys will be for VQ4 duel, so no one is likely to care about any mod's duel anyhow.

All that said, I feel kinda iffy about mods like this now since I've seen what happened in NQ/QW and VQ3/CPM. In the long run I think these types of mods are negatives if the community doesn't choose one en masse and play that. As a competitive player I primarily want as large a community as possible, which lasts as long as possible. I definately think all mods like this so far have shortened community lifespan and split it into smaller groups which then die off faster.

Good luck, it will be interesting to see if this is more successful than CPM, but then again Q4 already looks way less successful than Q3. If a large community doesn't form for this, or maybe even if it doesn't become the dominate mod quickly the best idea would be to stop working on it and let people concentrate on VQ4?

asking people to not make mods to avoid splitting a community is silly... I dont like Vanilla Quake 4 at all.. Its boring and seems like a waste of time, so im looking for mods like this.. I dont care if the community is 1 mio. people as long as theres servers and people to play against. If Quake 4 was a good game, all this talk about splitting community etc wasnt even worth mentioning cause the game shouldnt have any problems in keeping it large.

WTF? Didn't you just a post a comment saying you won't play this?

"like this" is not "this". My comment explains why im not gonna play it right now, as some of the stuff that annoys me most in q4 like the netcode is still there. Doesnt mean i wont ever play it ;)

qw was the best mod ever released it saved quake. NQ had terrible netcode therefore it limited the players ALOT. QW came out and HPB were able to play without iceskating all over maps. So you are wrong with that. i agree in vq3 and cpm there wasent issues because osp fixed the net code for us and cpm came out fairly late and split the small community a bit but still the majority played vq3. as for q4 its new and if this is a good mod i think ppl will play both vq4 and this but at the moment whoever fixes the netcode 1st i think will capture a bigger part of the community. I dont think this mod is a good idea simply because it will split an already small community, but it seems pretty fun so far.

Q1 would be dead if QW had not existed and plenty of players who play a mod would not have stuck around for the mainstream game.

Right, and you can claim this because you can see all possibilities. There was a strong NA pickup community until this year for NQ TDM. It seems to have finally died now though, but NA QW is dying slowly too. Maybe I have a different POV being in NA. EU seems to operate on totally different rules, but my post is looking at the NA scene. Old, and unique games seem to survive much better in EU, compare NA CPM/Warsow scene to EU CPM/Warsow scene for instance.

Anyhow, I think NQ/QW is a bit different in some ways than VQ3/CPM or VQ4/Q4W because the main difference in NQ/QW was netcode. It's unlikely that there will ever be such a huge netcode difference again. Even with NQ/QW having much fewer gameplay differences you still saw a clear divide where the majority of NQ teams didn't play QW, and vice versa. In EU the vast majority switched to QW, but that really never happened in NA. The vast majority of NQers just totally quit here without moving on to QW.

Just tried it and it seems good. Still needs lots of fixes i guess (lg, rail and sg damage..) but the movement seemed really cool and rl speed was <3
:)

Killing off a community doesn't happen because numerous mods come out and people split off and play their mod of choice. Community death happens as a result of stagnation of maps, stagnation of tourneys and stagnation of mod/feature updates. The quake3 community (ctf) has been around going on 6 years now and right up until q4 hit, it was if not populated and active, still existed. All this despite not 1 decent ctf map having been released since the last 3wave update and virtually no OSP updates since... hell I don't even remember, probably 2002 or 2003. But no one you asked would ever claim it was alive and well. It existed because of a core group of players who saw nothing else worth playing and enjoyed q3 gameplay enough to continue playing the 8 (lol more like 3) maps that remained enjoyable.

What does this mean? If a mod is worth playing, and people try it out and enjoy it it'll survive through word of mouth, provided there are sufficient support gamers (the modders, the mappers and the tournament admins) who are willing to put in the time and support the community.

Otherwise, even if there's only 1 competition mod, if it doesn't make the game enjoyable to the masses, the community will find something else to play, simple as that.

Well said :D

Great point. Constant support is what keeps a community going. New maps, new mod features, and so on. I would love it if id supported q4 with new maps/models and such for 3 years. Time to wake up though saddly... :[

People should give vanilla q4 movement more of a chance. I have a suspicion no one has even unlocked the full potential of it yet. Map makers don't even seem to realize you can crouchslide up stairs to get up them smoothly. Crouchsliding is what q4 movement is all about. Not only does it change the dynamics of movement, it also adds a new skillset for aiming. The q4 devs seem to have owned the entire community - mappers, modders, and players alike - with crouchsliding. GJ Raven and id!

But you need speed for any half decent crouch-slide right? Something Q4 doesn't have much of, unless you have a diving board close by :(

awww now i have to reinstall q4 :/

think i love this :x
best q4mod so far

Nice work so far! Im really impressed. will keep an eye on this for sure! : )

could someone post some server? ;)

I tried it and im very unimpressed... Didnt play Quake 4 for 3 weeks at all though so i guess im not as easy to impress as the Vq4'ers ;)

It seems half the features listed aint even there.
Brightskins hello? the brightskins in this mod is no more advanced than the first brightskins q4max released... Orange and Green yay, the rest is not included in this...
Ok the netcode is horrible, still i guess. The movement is inconsistent to say the least.. If you get hit you stop, and often you just stop without a reason, yay?
The most annoying thing must be going in and out of tele, it seems to be more or less random/luck how you react on the other side... Often you just find yourself looking down when you come out?

a CPM like mod is a good idea... But this is a poor attempt and look very newbieish, even for a first release. I didnt find any cvars you could change either, and a lot of stuff needs changing... Lets hope for a better attempt in beta2, cause this was... a waste of time for me anyways.

Does this mean you've played it online? If so, lets see some ip's please.

the guys hosting the danish pickup channel set up a server, but its taken down again cause the mod aint worth it atm.

ye i noticed the tele exit were random and sometimes id end up lookign downwards

very annoying

For your information : Linux version is out \o/

add the double-jump of Q2 than you will make a Q4 CPMA mod !!! There´s
no very differences, but the Q4W aircontrol is bigger than CPMA aircontrol imo.

QW aircontrol > Warsow aircontrol > Q4W aircontrol > CPMA aircontrol

nice mod =]

arQon said to me on irc the stepup in q4 is weird or broken, and doubles don't work correctly :[

Links were changed for windows version : (http://garulfo92.free.fr/release_beta_1/q4w-windows-0.1beta1.rar)

It is better to point :
http://www.q4w.org
or directly to
http://garulfo92.free.fr/release_beta_1/

Thx

ok, tried it, kinda liked it, kinda did not. Here's why i didn't:

Movement was way to fast. Too easy to speed up. It might work good on large maps that are build for this kinda fastpaced maps. Most of the current Q4 maps is bull with this mod (not your fault).

A general problem in Q4 for me is that the model feels soooooo fucking heavy to move around. Feels like floating around with a ton of liquid iron (or something?)

I seem to have a mouse problem that could be hardware related. When i play Quake3 i can take my mouse and pull it agressively from side to side very fast and it reproduces my every move very accurately. When i do this is in Quake4 it feels like tracking through a bowl of porridge. My system = 2.667ghz p4, 1 gig ddr 2700 samsung supreme ram, GF fx5900xt and a mx510 mouse from Logitech.

The movement felt "laggish" in small peeks, but almost always present.

Good luck on your further work

I've got the same problem, however if you manage to tweak your config with the fps/tmp maps or the new 1v1 maps to where you get a steady 60+ fps (in spots anyway) that lag diminishes a whole bunch.

try disabling virtual memory

lal

and that should help on which of my many problems ? =)

the mouse lag

and how to do this ?

right click my computer, and hit properties. in the advanced settings area, look for virtual memory. set it up so there is no page file on any drive.

will try, thx

From q4w.org forum :

movie-q4dm11v1a

lol that is insane!

Shows the movent needs alot of work otherwise its jsut a game for defraggers

yeah, its too easy. its not a bad idea to copy quakeworld, guys! and if you want to defend your gameplay decisions, that would solve that problem as well. nobody can argue with what started everything (and get anywhere that is)

Give the QW hype a rest already, jeez...

It's named after QW is it not?

-cholie.

Just to remember you guys that this release is just a beta which is aimed to give us a feedback on what's wrong and what's not after 2 weeks of development. Most of the comments there are interesting, some are way too definitive imo. Things are going to changed mainly because this is a first blueprint of the mod and because of your input.
Cheers anyway.

Kar4.

and i ask: Where is the posibillity to bind multiple sens?

for instance sens 3 on rail and sens 5 on rockets.. gogogogo fixy fixy

you can't see how a mod like this will play out unless you have maps that cater to its movement.

yeap this is true.

I'm sure Q4W will have its own maps in later versions, if not other members of the community are bound to make (or remake at that) some.

WE NEED A SERVER RIGHT NOW!!!

Best MOD so far ! Like it.

I played this mod last night, and I have a few things to say about it : as Kar4 told me, it will be a melting pot of every known Quake series moves. Though the idea sounds great for all the I-dont-know-what-jump fanatics over here, it lacks imho a real thinking in terms of gameplay. What maps do you expect to take advantage of all these things ?
It is certainly fast, but so fast that the matches look like a giant mess. It will maybe be perfect for the FFA types, but I fail to grasp the interest of a TDM or a duel game with this.
Currently, all the weapons are butchered but two : rl (newbie friendly) and lg (no knockback and insane dmg/s). As the dev said they will tweak this. But I now strongly disagree with people depicting the railgun as a newbie weapon and advocating this kind of RL. It narrows the gap between those practicing for long and those practicing for insanely long, which the railgun does not.
This fast RL would be interesting on a very aerial type of map (space ?) with a bit less air control to score mid air rockets. But now, when you spot a rocket, just hit the strafe button while mid air and you will be at the opposite of the room no matter what your movement was an instant before.
About the fast switch : now its only use is rl <->lg but that may change.

Played it last night in a few duels and while i really enjoyed it, i thought the LG needs to be toned down a bit, it was like runin around with quad all the time.

Overall 9/10 so far, really liked it!

Anyone else that thinks the nailgun is shite in this mod? It's almost impossible to hit anything with it when the movement is so fast paced.
Some tweak to it maybe, or just dump it all together..?

yes u are right, nailgun is too slow with the new movement speed.

You better use the RL then.

hmm ok?

yeh! this is quake! >:D<
double-jump pls?! and no stop when jumping on stairs.

i think what vampire said is an awesome idea and i think ppl should be looking into new unique ideas...the ya lighting thing is a good start but i think they should really push the envelope in trying to create something new and orginal rather than "q3 with doom3 gfx" ,or in this case cpma with doom3 gfx

just let the rail how it was(reload time), no use to change it... the speed of the game is high enough and rockets are lovely :D. So the railgun is already weaker.

iagree

the plasma/nailgun is really shiat now. Don't make it like QW where you only spam rockets all the time. No reason to nerf plasma/nailgun when the gameplay is 4x faster and the RL has been buffed aswell.

Why the hell there is no server atm ? Please make it someone and post the ip number ....

to add (imo):
-mouseaccel :)
-something to avoid being stopped in stairs
-double jumps
-tweaks for weapons with all the ideas given here (reload times, damages, knocbacks..-lg!-)
-slow it down a little bit or create big maps :D (i prefer the second option but i might be the only one :p)

but it's a very good start :) gl !

im digging it, and i never liked cpm...need to play online tho.

how come you dig this but never liked cpm?

Nice mod! Old qw style feelings come back :_
#q4w.pickup @qnet, there's a server there, powered by MaD RaiLerS :o

Come on, this is a first beta, we'll add double-jump soon and lot of others things ! :)

ravens having a really gud time im sure theyve made a crappy game...hoping tht all the mods will slog their butts out and see to it that the game sells
arqoon stop doing anything for quake4 its pointless...let raven realise how much their game sux minus the modding community
lets hope that thenonwards raven will make more fun-friendly games

mouseaccel
double jump
no stoping on stairs
to easy to gain speed
rail 1200 ms 80 damage
rocket knockback increased
lg - more knockback

i agree bestest mod so far.
since we got fast gameplay and even a dm6 remake all we need is a clanarena gametype =D

I like the hud ! :)