ESR - User: tourist

In fact the first shot seems to me legit :
When you come near the "windows" a good player would try to anticipate by placing his crosshair on the MH or RL.
Z4 is there and he seems to have shot a rocket, so he can be heard from walter's position.

<< Comment #11 @ 10:58 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #8

as I thought, you got nothing.

<< Comment #15 @ 11:10 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos - Reply to #11

You're obviously too dumb to give me a proper answer..

<< Comment #17 @ 11:13 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #15

you're obviously too dumb to find a legit example of such a shot altho you claim they're usual. typical french

<< Comment #18 @ 11:15 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos - Reply to #17

I can't be arsed to watch demos to give you what you want though i am sure it's not something rare...

<< Comment #19 @ 11:19 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #18

you'd rather look like a total idiot without arguments. makes sense.

<< Comment #20 @ 11:29 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos - Reply to #19

Why don't you explain me what's wrong in my reasoning there ?

<< Comment #21 @ 11:41 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #20

stop trying to make excuses. find demo proof or shut up.

<< Comment #22 @ 11:46 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos - Reply to #21

lol why don't you answer my question ?
You just don't have any relevant argument, so YOU shut up.

<< Comment #23 @ 11:48 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #22

my answer is: "because it's unrelated to my video"
provide proof or shut up

<< Comment #24 @ 11:54 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos - Reply to #23

lol...

<< Comment #25 @ 11:58 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #24

by the time you spend arguing you could've watched a cypher demo. I'm sure there's ton of proof there. here let me help you: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1521165

<< Comment #29 @ 12:27 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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dansen - Reply to #24

yeah, he does exactly the same at 3:15, 7:00 and 11:30

<< Comment #30 @ 12:35 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #29

who cypher?

<< Comment #31 @ 13:04 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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dansen - Reply to #30

yeah, cypher pov

<< Comment #32 @ 13:28 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #31

weak troll attempt

<< Comment #36 @ 13:49 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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dansen - Reply to #32

why do i even bother...

<< Comment #38 @ 13:52 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #36

I watched your times, there is NOTHING there. so yea, don't bother.

<< Comment #44 @ 14:37 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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dansen - Reply to #38

lulz

<< Comment #55 @ 17:45 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #44

yay arguments.

<< Comment #73 @ 16:43 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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dansen - Reply to #55

lulz

<< Comment #63 @ 13:21 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #17

Legit shot is in the video you posted.

<< Comment #105 @ 08:55 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #2

people taking rail shots to mega through YA grate? Yeah, no-one EVER does that. EVER.

If he took the shot the first time he saw him, it may have been dodge. But he doesn't.

Oh and whats the point of the last clip?

<< Comment #111 @ 11:03 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #105

<< Comment #3 @ 09:50 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Something

If anything, this just makes walter look even more legit.
I really don't think walter hacks, he's just damn good on hub.

<< Comment #4 @ 09:59 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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squishy

Has Clan519 hacked your account ?

<< Comment #5 @ 10:02 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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mefajpE^

You haven't played much hub, have you? Normal stuff to me.

<< Comment #6 @ 10:06 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #5

locking people trough walls is normal to you?

<< Comment #9 @ 10:42 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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skint

80% of the stuff in the vid was nothing more than the enemy making sound

<< Comment #10 @ 10:58 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #9

so you can track him pixel perfect trough that wall based on sound only?

<< Comment #12 @ 11:05 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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skint - Reply to #10

ok so u found one instance of this....

<< Comment #14 @ 11:08 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #12

not to mention the lg trough wall thing and him being position perfectly on enemy model after teleport. + another 20 ultra impressive frags all in the first 5 minutes of a single game. amazing

<< Comment #106 @ 08:57 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #10

making that super slow mo is misleading... Watch it in real time and you'll see his intention is to turn, he just hit the corner.

<< Comment #130 @ 16:23 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #10

haha

you do know that second tracking through the wall is 1 second of footage.... 1 fucking second

half of which his crosshair isn't on the model....

and the other two are done all the time, seriously what the hell is with last kill?

i hope this is trolling

<< Comment #13 @ 11:06 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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valvalis

your head ok?

<< Comment #16 @ 11:12 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos

I request a poll about tourist like the one on gillz !

<< Comment #26 @ 12:02 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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fazz

Why bother, he will never enter a lan tournament anyways. No one actually thinks he is good just becasue of that. And everyone have already seen this. Why waste your time on him??

<< Comment #27 @ 12:03 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #26

amusement

<< Comment #48 @ 15:27 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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fazz - Reply to #27

You sir, must have a very dull life! ;)

<< Comment #52 @ 17:39 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #48

why?

<< Comment #64 @ 13:26 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #52

That you find amusement in THIS:)

<< Comment #79 @ 17:38 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #64

you're right, I could be timing items or clicking scvs instead.

<< Comment #81 @ 18:30 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #79

You have a weird sense of humor.

I... I just HAVE to draw you.

<< Comment #87 @ 21:06 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #81

*blushes*

<< Comment #96 @ 03:22 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #79

"you're right, I could be timing items."

fixed

<< Comment #176 @ 18:32 UTC, 21 July 2009 >>

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bubble_ru - Reply to #26

Yeah why

<< Comment #28 @ 12:19 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Liam

I believe in miracles.

<< Comment #71 @ 15:41 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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dezej the polish gypsy - Reply to #28

You sexy baby.

<< Comment #91 @ 00:53 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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endi - Reply to #71

*thing

<< Comment #33 @ 13:32 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Drexciyian

Last one proves nothing cept even if he was using a wallhack he didnt see the guy at RL spawn before going through the tele, most likely he heard the spawn sound

<< Comment #34 @ 13:34 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #33

how about the first one?

<< Comment #35 @ 13:44 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #34

Well if you know someone maybe at mh you always face that wall when jumping down to the window, common sense surely, the lg one looks abit weird but i doubt it would with sound and normal speed

<< Comment #40 @ 13:57 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #35

as I said to the frenchie above, you are welcome to find examples of legit players pixel-locking opponents trough the wall.

<< Comment #65 @ 13:27 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #40

stop using the word pixel-locking:P

Besides, he doesn't exactly pixel lock lol.

<< Comment #37 @ 13:50 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks

the drop down from RA and trying to shaft through the wall does indeed look very wallhacky. Like it took him a few secs to realize the guy was behind the wall. Who would think like that without WH?

<< Comment #43 @ 14:10 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #37

oh yea, he got careless there. must've forgotten that when you chase an opponent round an obstacle and his model is not visible you fire at the edge of the obstacle, not through it.

<< Comment #47 @ 15:02 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #43

The first could just be coincidence.
The second one was the worst, since it screams suspicious.
The third is also a bit strange, could be insane luck and reflexes but could easily be a bot too.

<< Comment #56 @ 17:57 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #47

could be but I don't think he bots, his crosshair is just always at an absolute perfect position and he's never surprised by anything. it's a jedi trait.

<< Comment #50 @ 15:47 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #37

I think that he just wanted to deal as much damage as possible before the enemy runs away, so he just kept the button pressed and got stuck at the wall... these things happen

<< Comment #57 @ 17:58 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #50

you wouldn't happen to have any examples of that good sir? why of course not.

<< Comment #51 @ 16:01 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #37

hi, let me introduce you to the magic of slow motion. ;)

<< Comment #62 @ 13:19 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #51

yeah I know a lot of things look weird in slow motion, especially that uber slow mo, but I have a hard time seeing someone doing that, even for a short second, especially on the enemy model. Not that I play vq3 or even care tho, but if any of them were suspicious, it was that one.

<< Comment #69 @ 14:26 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #62

Well, I don't know maybe its because I watched a lot of rtcw demos im slowmo but hitting a wall for about half a second is quite normal for me...

Hell, it might even be he was trying to move forward and got stuck at the corner, can't say.

Anyway, I did reply because you said "a few seconds" while it's actually less than a second. ;)

<< Comment #70 @ 14:37 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #69

tru, badly put by me, and the slowmo was very misleading.

<< Comment #86 @ 21:06 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #70

yea that's me. all for special effects.

<< Comment #66 @ 13:28 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #37

To me it kind of looked like he forgot to walk forward haha:D

<< Comment #39 @ 13:53 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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browser

nice music
a shaft kill with nearly 100% acc of the spawn will since cpma never be evidence for hacking

<< Comment #41 @ 13:59 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #39

you missed the point

<< Comment #42 @ 14:07 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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browser - Reply to #41

ok shit music

<< Comment #67 @ 13:28 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #42

haha:P

<< Comment #45 @ 14:44 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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rolf

you fucking idiot

<< Comment #46 @ 14:46 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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led

38%

<< Comment #53 @ 17:40 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #46

:))))

<< Comment #49 @ 15:33 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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terrorhead

First one can be legit actually. Not sure about 2nd one. It looked like wallhack to me. I see 3rd one all the time in qw. Just watch my demos ;-)

Edited by terrorhead at 15:35 UTC, 11 July 2009

<< Comment #54 @ 17:44 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #49

yea everybody sees everything all the time, it's just when I ask to provide examples I get this.

<< Comment #58 @ 18:10 UTC, 11 July 2009 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #54

I agree with you he does cheat but 3rd example in your movie is not very convincing. You should find better examples and make a long movie.

Esr needs more drama.

<< Comment #59 @ 10:29 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #58

put the 3rd one in there as an example of his crosshair always being on target, never corrected etc.

there was one game where fox accused him of cheating, some insane prediction plasma or something, if you cba to look for it we can recycle some drama. :)

<< Comment #60 @ 10:36 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (ip-8.net-81-220-98.nantes.rev.numericable.fr) - Reply to #59

Hi tourist.

Look this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3mDn0-qfuw

At Time : 03:26

Look very similar to your video at 0:33

<< Comment #61 @ 12:30 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #60

yup same thing basically, only difference is the bot.

<< Comment #72 @ 16:13 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (ip-8.net-81-220-98.nantes.rev.numericable.fr) - Reply to #61

You know i am French

=)))))

I like the music in your "RAINMAN OF THE RAIL"'s video.

What is it exactly ?.

<< Comment #75 @ 16:58 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #72

OH MY I CANT BELIEVE I GOT TRICKED LIKE THAT YOU DIRTY FRENCH FUCK
jefferson airplane

<< Comment #80 @ 17:44 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (ip-8.net-81-220-98.nantes.rev.numericable.fr) - Reply to #75

Thank !.

Btw : Believe me, i hate all french, and all French players : Strenx, L1nkin etc ...

: bubble.

<< Comment #102 @ 07:43 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #80

Hi bubble, how are you mate

: ini.ru

<< Comment #68 @ 13:29 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire

You really expect people to review thousands of demos with r_shownormals 1? :(

<< Comment #74 @ 16:45 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #68

thousands? why I thought this is all common stuff, it should be in any demo. no?

<< Comment #76 @ 17:06 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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reyu - Reply to #74

I don't think walter doesn't cheat, but watch the recent game between Spartie and Cypher on dm6 (don't remember first or second) around 2-4min mark Cypher jumps from rail and shoots a suspicious rail at the stairs which obviously hits Spartie.

<< Comment #77 @ 17:15 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #74

Not every demo, but in a lot of them I'd say.

If you expect someone to go to ra, and you wanna hit him, where do you aim?
Exactly.

Walter predicted that rail like any good player would/should.

Zero4 was quite stupid to simply walk into that trap tho, not everyone would, hence you wouldn't see it in every demo.

<< Comment #78 @ 17:18 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #77

oh yea, and walter manages 2 such wall accidents within 5 minutes, the teleport lock and 100 fantastic prediction rockets/rails all in that 5 minutes as well. why is this kid not world champ again?

<< Comment #82 @ 18:33 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #78

Because he won't attend LANs.

I can understand why he doesn't...
All the drama around him, the pressure to perform must be HUGE.

<< Comment #83 @ 18:34 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #78

Also, I'm not trying to defend walter really, he should be able to do that himself and I don't really know him.

But I am against 'busting' people based on .avi files with timescale 0.5 and shownormals....

Edited by Terifire at 18:34 UTC, 12 July 2009

<< Comment #85 @ 21:01 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #83

well then, you must have a really reliable way of detecting wh you're not telling us about. oh yea, posting screenshots of your cheat.

Edited by tourist at 21:01 UTC, 12 July 2009

<< Comment #88 @ 22:49 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #85

posting screenshots of your cheat.

:DDDD

sombra has definitely proven that this works!

There are obvious signs that indicate someone is wallhacking, the video didn't show any.

<< Comment #98 @ 05:57 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (ip-8.net-81-220-98.nantes.rev.numericable.fr) - Reply to #88

Check somes cypher games or cooller games or others pro with r_shownormals 1, sometimes they don't know really where is the opponent.

:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716888

I have see many Walter demos, it is never the case.

Now there are 2 cases :

- Walter is cheating, wallhack (...)

or

- Walter is a total lamer, he can guess everything, so stop playing ! and use your power of divination for doing something smash.
Because it never happen for any others players to know everytimes where the opponent is.

: bubble.

BYW : yeah, my english sucks, at least i don't cheat with translator.

<< Comment #99 @ 06:47 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #98

I watched the demo this vid is from a few days ago.

I can remember him turning a corner and lging the shit out of thin air for half a second. Guess his wh must have malfunctioned then...

People who just find what they look for and nothing else, sure make bad judges...

<< Comment #101 @ 07:41 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #99

your judgement sure proved valid in the past.

<< Comment #103 @ 08:08 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #101

except I don't have the arrogance to make a final judgement, I'm looking at the so-called evidence and consider it.

The biased arrogance, is your thing.

You want prove for that?
1.
You didn't bother to correct voodoochopsticks when he said "a few seconds" even though you knew it wasn't true. You jsut craved fro agreement, no matter how.
2.
You never once mentioned part of the demo where walter mispredicted.
3.
You never wondered if it's possible that walter got stuck on the corner in the 2nd scene. Objective analysis doesn't fit a fanatic, huh?
4.
You arranged your arguments in a way, that even if someone cared enough about your opinion to find a scene similar to the first one, you wouldn't accept you were wrong. You would just go to the next example and demand some should do the same there.

Therefore arguing with a person like you is completely pointless.

That's why noone really bothers to argue with you about the scenes in here...

<< Comment #108 @ 10:54 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #103

oh no... I did it again

<< Comment #84 @ 20:45 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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vamp1re

Remember when walter posted those videos of DKT "cheating," that was funny.

NOW FUCK OFF!

<< Comment #89 @ 23:32 UTC, 12 July 2009 >>

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Lethe

stop this bullshit already. walter is legit. he has proven it by posting a webcam video of himself beating a noob on dm6 in a cold and dark room. you could feel the tension.

<< Comment #90 @ 00:21 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt

hahaha, lock on target !

watch from 00:10 to 00:19 and tell me that's not an aimbot.

Edited by carbon38 at 00:25 UTC, 13 July 2009

<< Comment #92 @ 01:24 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #90

I can tell you thats no aimbot, anything else?

<< Comment #93 @ 01:28 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #92

so what 'bug' makes your crosshair lock to a target through a wall ? please explain !

Edited by carbon38 at 01:29 UTC, 13 July 2009

<< Comment #94 @ 02:51 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #93

Never in the first clip is it locking on his opponent.

<< Comment #95 @ 03:05 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #94

ignorance is bliss

<< Comment #97 @ 05:19 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #95

Go outside.

<< Comment #100 @ 06:48 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #95

you have no idea how right you are.
twice.

<< Comment #112 @ 11:48 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #100

of course, pixel point precision is an obvious cpma vq3 bug, my bad.

<< Comment #113 @ 11:57 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #112

actually it is, in cases like this ;)

Also I don't know if you are playing with a 15x20 resolution, but if not your definition of pixel precise, looks more like "in that general area" - precise...

Did you notice that not even tourist claims it's an aimbot?

<< Comment #115 @ 12:11 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #113

it looks exactly the same as that demo of kgb vs chance with kgb mg chance by the ya on dm6.

well if it's not an aimbot it sure is weird how the crosshair tracks him through the wall with him not seeing the target... at least he shouldn't be seeing the target.

if it's a bug, fine, but supply a lan demo then of a known player doing the exact same thing please.

<< Comment #117 @ 12:25 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #115

yes it does looks a little similar, because it's the same demo bug... Actually I don'T think it looks the same, because given that this is slowmo the crosshair moves all over the place and wouldn't have hit more than say 30% without the wall.

I think I'm gonna leave the explaining why it's not an aimbot to tourist, should be epic :P
Just keep in mind the experienced players can guess the normal escape route on a map they play a lot...

And no I will not start looking through demos, because you are seeing things. You are the one saying it happens nowhere else. If you are so keen to find out then watch 15 demos yourself, and if you find nothing suspicious there you can post the names here. Then maybe someone will make the same effort to prove you wrong.

<< Comment #119 @ 12:41 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #117

after watching hundreds of hours of quake 3 demos I should have known about this bug, guess I was wrong.

<< Comment #120 @ 12:47 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #119

so you're saying he activates his aimbot while he can't see z4 and is looking at him thru the wall, then deactivates it (0.05 seconds later) to take the shot?

ps the demo 'bug' he is referring to is just the smoothing effect you get when watching crappy demo's, due to interpolation. This is a POV demo and it's not relevant (though the mouse movements still look over-smooth due to the uber slowmo)

Edited by raithza at 12:48 UTC, 13 July 2009

<< Comment #121 @ 12:56 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #120

"so you're saying he activates his aimbot while he can't see z4 and is looking at him thru the wall, then deactivates it (0.05 seconds later) to take the shot?"

like it's impossible to program a bot/hack to activate/deactivate the lock on target for just a few milliseconds at a time.

anyways, walter will be cleared of all charges at quakecon... if he shows up this year that is.

<< Comment #127 @ 13:49 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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meh_ - Reply to #119

as life progresses, more and more i feel that i should have been an exorcist :(

<< Comment #124 @ 13:37 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #115

but supply a lan demo then of a known player doing the exact same thing please.

So lame... it's quite simply, walter was simply aiming towards rl/mega, where zero4 was probably going (well duh he needs rl + mega).
As walter is moving to the left he corrects for that by shifting his view to the right.

Nothing weird there?
It's hard to find another demo where this happens because the situation doesn't occur that often where playings move exactly like that, it would be like trying to find the exact same flick rail in 2 different demos by 2 different players.

Besides, it would look different with other players anyway.
For example cypher moves his view a bit twitchy, same goes for unkind and some others.

<< Comment #125 @ 13:42 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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rupertt - Reply to #124

I was talking about tracking the target through a wall, like i pointed out several times.

but I was assured that that's a normal bug. never mind.

<< Comment #128 @ 13:50 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #125

So was I.

If 2 players are facing eachother and strafing in the same direction you'd have 'perfect tracking'.

This can occur with a wall inbetween as well, I'm 100% sure it happened sometime in a match.

Tho walter simply had his crosshair fixated on the rl, he wasn't tracking on zero4 on purpose...

<< Comment #147 @ 11:46 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #124

excuse me sir. but predicting is a form of cheating don't you know?

<< Comment #104 @ 08:39 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #90

It's not an aimbot.

It's not 'locking on target'.

<< Comment #107 @ 10:53 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #104

where did I say it's an aimbot?

<< Comment #109 @ 10:55 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #107

hahaha.

<< Comment #110 @ 10:58 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #109

it showed as a reply to my post. oh no becks has finally beat me!

<< Comment #114 @ 11:58 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #110

i'm actually positively suprisedi. It's the first time you had the courage to admit a mistake, even if it's with you usual manner.
Maybe not all hope is lost.

<< Comment #116 @ 12:20 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #114

I'm a reasonable person, I will admit my mistakes. it's just I haven't made any thus far.

<< Comment #118 @ 12:25 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #116

<< Comment #122 @ 13:32 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #107

Was a reply to http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1719122#pid1719122

<< Comment #123 @ 13:35 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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outlaw

Edited by outlaw at 13:07 UTC, 23 December 2011

<< Comment #126 @ 13:45 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #123

oh hi there world champ.

<< Comment #129 @ 16:09 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (ip-8.net-81-220-98.nantes.rev.numericable.fr) - Reply to #123

Play lans and stfu.

<< Comment #134 @ 17:42 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #129

HAHA

<< Comment #144 @ 00:18 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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waIter - Reply to #134

guys, wtf, dont you know that walter is a champion of the world?)))

ps. in blowjob

<< Comment #145 @ 08:15 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #144

hahahaha a )))))

<< Comment #131 @ 16:30 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #123

i can see why people get suspicious on the second but with a little bit of thinking they would realise it's like 1/3 of a second and the whole thing is just over a second long

as for the first and second kills, just leads me to believe tourist is being jamerio

<< Comment #132 @ 16:34 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #131

you don't see anything suspicious with that first shot, at all?

<< Comment #133 @ 16:49 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #132

no

again, it's just a second of in-game footage... he's not tracking the model he's just aligning his shot up to the mega which people do during 101 situations across the maps

ztn pilar/ra battles
dm6 ya/ra battles
dm13 rl bridge / lower ya etc..

shownormals is a silly way of looking at someone like walter because he does so much which can't be achieved solely through cheats. watch walter than watch yuka and notice the difference....

and of course time scaling just turns 1 second of footage into 10 seconds to make it look 50 times worse, I bet in-game that first 'hack' does not even bat an eyelid

and then, just watch a demo of a top player with shownormals, if you don't find anything suspicious then it's because you want to find something when watching walter

<< Comment #135 @ 18:01 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #133

"someone like walter because he does so much which can't be achieved solely through cheats."

so what are you saying, he can move and aim which means he can't use wh? sombra could move and aim too.

also that first shot, just happens to lock the enemy model by accident then?

<< Comment #136 @ 18:14 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #135

it isn't a lock, it's like HALF A SECOND

he isn't moving his mouse he's just strafing left as well

just like every player does in a number of situations, seen constantly at spawns, choke points and basic map lines, thank the vq3 movement for that

he isn't locked, he's off the model, on it for like .2 of a second then corrects himself when he sees him through the first gap, REAL PROOF SIR

<< Comment #137 @ 22:08 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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somebodyshootme ' - Reply to #136

i fail to grasp how it is not obvious that this shit is bound to happen all the time on parrallel hallways when theres peakshots+strafing and shit yo

<< Comment #138 @ 22:36 UTC, 13 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #137

basically ye

<< Comment #139 @ 00:04 UTC, 14 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #137

it seems logical, it's just that I've never seen it before. if you got an example of it by all means, do share.

<< Comment #140 @ 15:58 UTC, 14 July 2009 >>

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somebodyshootme ' - Reply to #139

I'm guessing that most people replying to your thing rely on common sense and call bullshit. And when you ask for teh proofz nobody can't be arsed to look for it, because it's too logical. And this fuels your argument because you can say nobody proved you wrong.
repeat forever.

10%

<< Comment #141 @ 15:59 UTC, 14 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #140

logic..happens all the time.. blah blah.. even walter couldn't find any model lock like that and he looked.

<< Comment #167 @ 20:00 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #141

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0613W-tpK68

download the relevant demos, slow it down as much as you did he and voila

most of that was with fucking tft as well

<< Comment #142 @ 03:22 UTC, 15 July 2009 >>

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phz

vid 1) nothing
vid 2) odd
vid 3) nice shaft. A wall hack wouldn't have really helped that kill anyway?

A good player who is using cheats is going to be hard to spot. No-one picked up that sombra was cheating from his demos, even looking back people have difficulty.

Also, I think this was not long after z4's comeback and according to reports most top us players were beating him easily. A few months after he had improved heaps, especially on hub.

<< Comment #148 @ 12:26 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #142

Sif, Guard knows who cheats even before he cheats.

<< Comment #149 @ 12:37 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #148

only when talking about his many girlfriends!

<< Comment #150 @ 13:11 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #149

This thread is really boring though.

On another topic, didnt walter mock those who believed his "choke thread" and later changed it to him and rapha deciding together that rapha should represent THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH and thus walter had no reason to finish his game against kgsomething.

<< Comment #151 @ 13:13 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #150

can't remember it for certain, but something like that, yeah.

<< Comment #152 @ 13:17 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #151

Not that I care if some american cheats or not, but whats the point of using it in his defence then. To me that situation hardly made him look more legit.

<< Comment #153 @ 13:32 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #152

First of all, I didn't really plan on defending him, since I'm not 100% sure he didn't cheat myself.

The thing was that some people just look at a fact from one side, only trying to use it as proof that he cheats. At which point I tried to tell them, that there can be other explanations and that one should consider those, too.

<< Comment #156 @ 19:34 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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phz - Reply to #148

Ahh yes... and he has indisputable proof...which he can't show or describe for unknown reasons :)

<< Comment #143 @ 21:04 UTC, 15 July 2009 >>

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luKrek

can you make some slo mo movies of me too so I can look like a leet haxer?

<< Comment #146 @ 08:25 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #143

only if you start writing it 1337 h4><0r

<< Comment #154 @ 16:51 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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luKrek - Reply to #146

not leet enuff

<< Comment #155 @ 17:56 UTC, 16 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #154

<< Comment #157 @ 12:07 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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funnyb

god i hope this is a troll attempt 8)

<< Comment #158 @ 12:17 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos - Reply to #157

It isn't. tourist is officially as dumb as nomadic, clan519, gillz, per1klez...

<< Comment #159 @ 13:31 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #158

fox, fazz, guard, chance..

<< Comment #162 @ 17:22 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #159

as seen by their massive contributions to your threads.

<< Comment #163 @ 17:25 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #162

this thread is for believers.

<< Comment #164 @ 17:38 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #163

You mean people seeing things?

<< Comment #165 @ 17:45 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #164

yup, it's for you.

<< Comment #166 @ 17:51 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #165

hmm I haven't decided either way.
You on the other hand seem to be seeing all kind of things, as documented.

<< Comment #168 @ 21:37 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #159

oh, shit. you got guard on your side. the man with TEH 100% PROOFS HE DOESNT SHOW TO ANYBODY?

<< Comment #169 @ 21:50 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #168

it's good you got strong names on the opposing team like kaloos and becks.

<< Comment #170 @ 21:58 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #169

but c'mon ... guard.

<< Comment #171 @ 21:59 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #170

my favorite esr user, right after alchemist.

<< Comment #172 @ 22:04 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #171

ohhhh, ok.

<< Comment #174 @ 06:50 UTC, 21 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #169

and again you see what you want to see.

What else is new?

<< Comment #175 @ 12:25 UTC, 21 July 2009 >>

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Kaloos - Reply to #159

I would like the good players(fox, fazz and chance) to explain us what proofs there are in your video then.

<< Comment #181 @ 10:36 UTC, 14 August 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #159

chance I can tell from one rail? guy is an idiot

everyone just wanks over fox, because he's good doesn't mean he's right

<< Comment #160 @ 13:35 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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LukKe

lol @ the slow-mo .. if you slow the shit down to nanoseconds youll get locking and tracking for 10s straight in every footage..
basically what #137 said

<< Comment #161 @ 13:39 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #160

you might get this kind of "locking". see if you can notice the difference.

<< Comment #173 @ 22:48 UTC, 20 July 2009 >>

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tifu

also lmao@youtube rating

<< Comment #177 @ 00:41 UTC, 14 August 2009 >>

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DamianLillard

bump

<< Comment #178 @ 06:34 UTC, 14 August 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #177

HEHE

<< Comment #182 @ 01:14 UTC, 14 November 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #177

re-bump

<< Comment #179 @ 07:41 UTC, 14 August 2009 >>

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link

does he cheat at lan?

<< Comment #180 @ 08:33 UTC, 14 August 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #179

I guess he is either a talented quaker or the most talented cheater in the whole world.

either way he has some skills :P

<< Comment #183 @ 01:56 UTC, 14 November 2009 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #179

he most certainly isn't as impressive as online. like half the skill level. He might brag about shooting a 60 rail on ctf2, but that is what most people do anyways on that map.

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