Meh. They should just wait a year and release a final version.

But that's just me.

i think its good, they are getting community feedback

yes like q4 was awesome from the start because they didn't have a beta...

how are they gonna release a final version without releasing patches before it, cant figure out bugs all by themselves.

Ah, true. I don't know, it just seems that if anything, it's in an alpha right now, not a beta.

hehe give em time, it just came out

and alpha doesnt get released to the public

I know an alpha doesn't get released to the public, I was making a joke, because in the state it's in, it might as well be an alpha.

No hard feelings =)

none taken homie

even if this becomes the best mod ever made the css community wont switch to it because about 90% only play pub servers and the 10% that are competitive are some of the most stubborn people ever

pretty unfortunate tbh

Also note that this mod is made for 1.6 players only. So there won't be many css players that will switch to this mod.

1.6 players are their main focus yes but this is more about uniting 1.6 and css competitive players by combining the best from both worlds (1.6 and earlier gameplay, source graphics etc.)

I think that their main problem was that their first release was completely and utterly botched, first with the broken promises, then with the overblown contest and finally with the completely broken release of 1.0 which was nowhere near ready, and 1.01 which promised and failed to deliver on much-needed fixes.

CSPromod now has a reputation of being an unplayable buggy mess, and even if 1.02 fixes every single problem from 1.01, you'll be hard pressed to convince the average joe in a CS server to give it another try. They'll be hard pressed to ever attract the amount of attention they did with 1.0.

If anyone i s stubborn it's the 1.6 players. At least the CSS players can deal with changes through new maps/rulesets/updates.

1.6 is better than this in every possible way except for the graphics. I don't see the point of switching to a completely inferior but prettier game.

Uhhh... That happens like all the time.

CoD2 -> CoD4?
Q3 -> Q4?

More people are still playing 1.6 and the competitions are still using 1.6 (except for the CGS, which most players wouldn't watch even if it was 1.6).

cod4 is way more fun than cod2!

CoD4 > CoD2 anyday if you ask me. I'm fed up with ww2 games but CoD2 was the only one I even enjoyed.

cod4 will take over the world anyway

Nice to see CSsers talking about competetivity :)

Coming from a guy playing a game that has way less competition because only a couple thousand people are playing it. Way to go.

But Quake is a superior, but less pretty game!

Coming from a guy who thinks 50 thousand of noobs (pro-gaming wise) makes a game competetive. Way to go.

50 thousands? Try easily 200 thousand people at any given time, with peaks at more than 300 thousand people. But see my post below regarding the "noob" comment.

jump in a lake.

why is this being posted here?

Because it's boring to bash only UT3 all the time ;-)

oh ye sorry, forgot we are only allowed to post quake news ...

its been made clear this site is anti cs in any form

its an esports news site mate, so fuck off and go home lol

well, if you are the admin then u could erase all the cs news, and if ur not u should just be quiet and wait for some quake news :p

or change his filters ;)

yeah whatever :p dont get why he thinks this is a quake-site ? :S its like cs, hl, quake, ut et etc... he cant miss the other news since he doestn have a filter :D

you morons like to twist words, i never said it was a quake site, only that this site is supposed to be anti-cs. Now go pub some awp servers or something.

and who said its anti cs ?? :S

maybe that's his perception :)

ye well.. then hes wrong :p

I knew ill be replyed by angry ppl :) But as ppl said, its ucz bashing only UT3 gets boring :P

And no, this site is not only for quake news, but its about ESPORTS. What does that have in common with cs? :)

It's a mod attempting to make CS:S feasible for E-Sports. Perfectly fine, I like reading about it to see how they are doing.

agreed, i wanna see it succeed to be honest

because CS is about the only continually successful game being played in esports?

Agreed, and its cuz CS attracts newbies - but its ESR, the place where meets ppl that understand BEYOND what the newbies see, so why should we go mainstream just like the noobs?

Warcraft3? Starcraft?

Even the Fifa and madden games have had a pretty decent following in "professional gaming".

supposed? did i miss it in the site rules somewhere? :o

awm

you really a dumb and useless guy. if you don't want cs news just don't read. goodbye.

"you really a dumb and useless guy. if you don't want cs news just don't read. goodbye."

"you are(or you're) really a dumb and useless guy. if you don't want cs news just don't read. goodbye."

there are plenty of other sites that attract the faggots of the cs community, however this is not one of them. This being one of the many reasons cs news is usually kept to a minimum here.

cry me a river

how can we be anti cs if we don't talk about it?

Every community needs something that unites them. After all these All qukaes vs. all quake mods vs. ut discussion it's nice to have something we can hate together :)

What about the CPL?

They did support quake a lot longer than the others, din't they.

Besides that, its CS that ruined Quake's popularity. I'd understand if it was better, but while quake is the pure deathmatch game, its just pure shit for noobs that goot scared after being raped in q3.

Says the 15-year-old who probably didn't know what a computer was when both games came out. Go cry in your corner.

I played Wolfenstein 3D around the time they released quake, a lot time before Arena and even more till they released CS.
But why am I arguing with a Anonymous guy who judges ppl by their age, (and not in general - in gaming) and argues for CS? Go cry in ur corner if u get owned by ppl in quake, its u're problems.

And yeah, I guess trying to make Counter-Strike and esports game rly a lil' bit of esport... But I doubt there's any chance to make it - IMHO its easier just to create a new game.

PS. IMO There is no way that kind of mod would suceed - If it becomes competetive, CS'ers won't like it and won't play it, cuz admit it, if a cs player would see himself raped like a newbie at quake, CS would become a lot different and ppl probably would even play it.

(I'm the anonymous guy, I was on a different computer and couldn't be bothered to login)

So how old are you exactly? Because if you're really 15 excuse me but if someone is new around here it's you, not the CS players.

Counter-Strike is THE e-sport game, second only to Starcraft (but then again if South Korea wasn't there it would be first). This simply because not only is there a lot of money to win, but also because more people are playing it, are spectating the matches, and because the gameplay itself makes it competitive. Just because "w0rt3x" thinks it's easy to kill people in public servers doesn't mean the game itself is easy. Try playing fnatic (cs team) with four buddies of yours and see how bad you get destroyed. At least just as much as if I was to play Vo0 in Painkiller or Cooller in Q3.

Yes, someone new will probably find it easier to get a kill in CS than in Quake. This is what Quake players are so angry about, but it's an enormous advantage: cs easily attracts new players. _However_, these new guys aren't playing cs competitively. CS competitions don't consist in 16 guys randomly running around on public servers.

The top CS players are incredibly more skilled than these guys. It's impossible to describe how much more skilled they are, but let's just say that not only are they good individually but also together as a team. I know I won't convince you because you're an insecure fanboy with a superiority complex but when you've got hundreds of thousands of people constantly trying to be better at the game, and this for years, well the ones at the top of the pyramid ARE really really good. If you stop caring, you won't stay at the top for long. There are newcomers (and by newcomers I mean that they're finally getting international praise, but they still have been playing for a LONG time already) every year, like GeT_RiGhT and mSx in 2007. Watch their demos. Their aim is outstanding, they have an incredible recoil control (something most quake players don't even understand when they say cs is point & click), they're smart and know how to work with their team.

I wasn't even a cs player originally. When I first heard about CS, 7 or 8 years ago, I went "wow it must be so boring to play with campers everywhere". CS is SO much more than that. But yeah anyway, keep posting your little frustrated and uneducated comments, you're not offending anyone but simply making a fool out of yourself.

btw I'm sure you won't be impressed by any video/demo I'll post of people getting kills so try beating this CS player at air & jump control. Coming from an oldschool quake pro like you surely it must be easy? The map is bkz_goldbhop, you'll have no problem finding it since it's a pretty basic jump map. Tell me when you're done beating his time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmAuZ_Fd0a0

How about you show us someone using movement in the actual game leading up to or in actual fights? In quake movement is important in competetive circumstances, and not just on special maps without enemies.

I agree with everything else you said though(except for the argument that movement is important in cs, because noone ever seems to have use for any of it ever since ~1.0) :D

I used to play CS from beta 3 to beta 7, it was great fun, you could be a very aggressive and run as well as bunnyjump around enemy campers or do midair shots etc, and not have to sit and crouch/walk to hit stuff properly(like the recoil is now) - and people competed in hostage rescue :D

I still know there is a lot of skill in modern CS but I myself don't like playing it much.

fnatic ins uses bhop a lot, for example on de_train to move from one site to the other faster by bhopping on the top of the trains in the inner bombsite. walle also often uses it to get away once he's fired an awp shot. But yeah it's obviously not used like in the video I gave, I was only posting it to show that although cs attracts new players more easily, it doesn't mean that they can't get good (and in this case at jumping and mastering air control) :)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oTh5v5Km-_c&feature=dir

that's not even hard to do

Kouby - Thats one of the stuff i've been talking about - if CS'ers consider this skill, they just don't know what the word skill means.

this is not a hardskill but beginners can't do that

Actually movement between shooting is pretty important, and it takes some time to master (same goes for jumping around and shooting with awp when landing). Its not really that hard though, not at all compared to movement in for example qw :-)

Yup, I wrote my real age. Hope u aren one of the ppl that will just normally argue, not post dumb stuff about age, cuz the stuff that makes Quake the ultimate hardcore deathmatch game ar the same for me aswell as the others. And I didn't write that u're "the new guy", where did that came from?

About the pro players: I know that they're better, its just that I believe that Quake is far beyond that. Just as u said: U will never understand how difficult is timing, movement, aiming, teamplay on tdm and so on while preventing the opponents (and allies hopefully too...) moves
and doing that better than him without countered. Also, should I remind u that in quake, there is only one trully hitscan weapon, and even when limited to 1.5s reload time its still being hated by a lot of the community cuz its too easy to learn and far overpowered when compared what skill u need to do what than other weapons, while on
CS almost all of weapons are like this and movement almost doesn't give the chance to dodge bullets, even the ones that haven't got their way from the weapon yet. So I think I might call u a an insecure fanboy with a superiority complex too. And no, lots of ppl trying to do smth doesn't mean the ones at the top are truly that big, cuz usually the popular games are the ones that are good for newbs and are mostly hyped rather than the ones that are good for hardcore players. For eg I think that u will agree that Halo 3 even with that mutch payers and this mutch of tournaments will never be an competetive game anyway.

And no, I am not even a true olschool quaker, nor I state that I'm good at CS. I won't change ur opinion by posting any videos either. But, just to not look as I'm out of arguments, Ill post this:
http://www.breakdown-hq.com/index.php?page=search&what=jjm2

Try beting this :) It isn't probably the hardest demo (I just dunno), but I'm still confident that u can't beat it.

LG, MG, SG, RG.

You obviously have no clue how the recoil works in CS. I guess you were referring to the railgun in your post - CS guns don't work like the railgun AT ALL. With the railgun you can be strafing and jumping all over the place and your rail will hit exactly where you crosshair is. In CS, with rifles and even _if you are standing still_ (and even crouching), only your first bullet will go where you are aiming if you keep pressing the fire button. Give an ak to a noob and his bullets will go everywhere because he doesn't know how to control the recoil. The easiest way is therefore to shoot 2-3 bullets, pause, shoot again etc. But the pros control the recoil extremely well and can therefore keep firing while getting all the bullets to go to the same place. They also have perfect timing to fire at long range where you need even more precision. It doesn't sound that hard but give me any clip of someone firing at an enemy and I can instantly tell if the guy is noob, average, kind of good or really good just by the way he shoots. It takes years to get better at this, it's WAY harder than what "hitscan" would imply. I personnally find it harder to learn to control the recoil than to use, say, a RL.

I already know everything you mentioned (timing, armors, tdm teamplay which by the way is a joke compared to cs teamplay for obvious reasons), I used to play quake before I played cs. I never said top Quake players weren't skilled. They are, and I LOVE watching/playing Quake because it obviously has an amazing gameplay. But cs is in no way comparable to Halo 3 (just play the two and you'll see), like I said it wasn't only the numbers but also the cs gameplay that made it competitive.

About that video - again, I never said Quake players weren't good. YOU said cs players were noobs, and I therefore gave you a link showing a cs player being extremely good at one particular thing which you could relate to: jumping and air control. It's you who said the CS players were noobs, I never said anything about Quake players. The bottom line is that you can't just say the cs players are noob and that there's at least just as much skill at the top as in Quake 3 (and more in my opinion). I won't reply to you anymore though since I have uni exams coming up and there's no use convincing you anyway.

I do know how recoil works, and I do understand that pro CS players are the best at it and always will be one step ahead of the community. its just that I believe that while on CS u're just adding the few percents of ur recoil aim, in Quake u can be doing mutch, mutch more. And when a CS player becomes just a lil bit better, in quake u see significiant results, (and not only in aim) making u far above the community and... U just can do amazing stuff, like jump twice as mutch as a medicore player and so on, so the few percents of aim just seem very... IMHO very unworthy compared to what u can do in Quake and that is why I think playing CS pro-wise is a waste of talent and time.

I know I won't be changing ur opinion and u won't even reply, but I just felt like saying that. Maybe its just me, but the stuff that u learn at CS seems almost pointless compared to Quake, I hope u'll read and understand that at least as a opinion, not a fanboyish thinking.

You guys are missing something here: CS is no duel game

People dont get how much there is to learn to be a good teamplayer just because its not as obvious as a good aim.
There's many _different_ things to be learned in CS that you dont realise while watching or playing against noobs, and certainly not while playing public .

now Quake is a HUGE game and the best duel game but it doesnt get close to counter-strike when speaking about teamplay, even concidering CTF that does need teamplay.

I know whats a teamplay game. But CS clearly isn't the best at that too (for eg ET is high above most of the team games). I wouldn't even say its bigger than quake at it, in quake u have all the items and stuff... And no, a bunch of good duelers will never win against even a lower level clan. But then again, when speaking just about teamplay and teamplay only, u need classes like Medic or at least the ability to do smth like that for it. I don't like games like that in general (pro-wise) tho, they (as well as CS does) make the game difficult not by content but just by stuff like the recoil
- it limits the players and the fun of the game too.

#34 - "Besides that, its CS that ruined Quake's popularity."
LOL. Anyone else to blame? The aliens? Bill Gates? Let's be serious pls.

Let me put it in a different state. That's the course of mainstream (easiness and accesibility) that ruined Quakes popularity, and CS is one of the games that did this.

I still disagree ;) You can see it both ways. You could also say Quake 3 was once popular only because there weren't any other multiplayer games.

EDIT: I don't pretend to make Q3 look bad. It's an old time favourite of mine, but pretending the "noobification conspiracy" killed it is just naive thinking. Players simply have more options to choose now.

Maybe u're rite... but I still like to blame those stupid noobs that never wan't to try harded at least a bit... Thats just an opinion anyway tho...

more of a love/hate relationship if you ask me.
Although at the moment it's more a divorce :)


But imagine if they did a q0 and rtcw2 worldtour and it really worked (!) then it would be pure sex.

QL*

oops, I'm sorry :(

is this cs pro mod really gonna take off ?

or is it doomed already?

I was hyped when it first came out, then got dissapointed.
Now cba anymore :D

Played it last night, it's still beyond horrible.

Does arqon still make this? Someone else check for me I'm too busy lifting weights and having sex with models.

Glad to hear your real-doll order finally came through.

Scale models :/

haha he got rolled ^^

Yep he certainly did.

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

Fuck you I know that url already by heart

wrong site

CS Pro Mod... must be oxymoron day.

Tell me something... is it wrong for me to say Nicky is very sexy? I'm not sure my better half Lauren would appreciate such a statement... which is one of many variables to consider when analyzing the culpability of such a statement.

lol yes its very wrong and im sure she will slap you, hard! x