ESR - (Archive) CPL Announces 500,000$ World Tour

<< Comment #1 @ 09:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

therogue

lol

"the unbelievably authentic Cold War title can only be played at the CPL World Tour."

typo, 'will only be played'

Edited by therogue at 09:21 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #249 @ 11:54 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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loxer - Reply to #1

wtf, wrong game ! i would like to see any fast paced 1on1 shooter

<< Comment #259 @ 12:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p508672C1.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #1

well not exactly true. It can already be played at Intel Friday Night Games in Germany

<< Comment #2 @ 09:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Nicky

ha just HA

<< Comment #3 @ 09:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Ben

The multi-million unit seller, F.E.A.R. ™ (First Encounter Assault Recon) franchise, originally released in the fall of 2005, was heralded by PC Gamer as the “Best Action Game of the Year” for its combination of stylized first person action combat and supernatural suspense. The tour will feature the Xbox 360™ multiplayer edition introduced last year.

Not even the PC version, what the hell is going on with CPL?

We knew CPL had some problems but damn, even this is damn low by CPL standards.. what happend to their prestigous events?

Edited by Ben at 09:23 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #390 @ 15:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #3

Business is business....

<< Comment #414 @ 16:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Thorin ++++: - Reply to #390

Thanks for clarifying that.

<< Comment #451 @ 21:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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0zzy - Reply to #3

I once said to the WSVG game news "and here I thought Angel Munoz was the money hungry person!"
To which someone responded,
"Just wait till they announce the CPL Games..."

And I have... and wow. RIP CPL :[.

<< Comment #4 @ 09:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Nicky

so erm what happened to the "Q3 will be the CPL game of 2007"....

<< Comment #331 @ 13:58 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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xou +' - Reply to #4

flushed !

<< Comment #425 @ 17:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Because - Reply to #4

You fell for it! pwnd!
Btw, never be involved in a land war against China. kthx.

<< Comment #459 @ 00:42 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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nthexwn ' - Reply to #425

$ = People
Microsoft = China

?

<< Comment #543 @ 16:07 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Because - Reply to #459

It was a movie reference.
The Princess Bride. Good flick, check it out sometime.

<< Comment #5 @ 09:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mojo :

What?

<< Comment #48 @ 09:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ReDeYe - Reply to #5

Thought you were on the CPL council...

<< Comment #61 @ 09:48 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #48

i think they forgot to tell him something :)

<< Comment #82 @ 10:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mojo : - Reply to #61

Yeah, 6 fucking months egging us on making us test maps and figure out rules and stuff, then they drop this on us without notice.

What a load of shit.

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<< Comment #100 @ 10:10 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #82

they didnt tell you? omg thats shitty

<< Comment #101 @ 10:12 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wakka - Reply to #100

did u expect something else from CPL ?

<< Comment #109 @ 10:15 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #101

ok you got me... no i didnt lol

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<< Comment #169 @ 10:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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SyN - Reply to #109

wow... this is just wow... we're left with ESWC and WCG as the only real legit organizations that seem to be interested in true eSports.

wow...

<< Comment #215 @ 11:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Shase - Reply to #169

-wcg

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<< Comment #255 @ 12:00 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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crow- - Reply to #169

carom3d.

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<< Comment #421 @ 17:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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GroundZero - Reply to #255

That's what I've been trying tell everyone!

<< Comment #120 @ 10:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ReDeYe - Reply to #82

omfg :/

<< Comment #268 @ 12:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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NaAani - Reply to #82

Are you seriously suprised?

<< Comment #612 @ 11:16 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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tzz ' - Reply to #82

So what did you decide? I'm curious about the map choices :P

<< Comment #110 @ 10:16 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Xicht - Reply to #5

I think its right time for another shooting party in USA...die CPL !!!

rip Q3 :[

<< Comment #124 @ 10:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ReDeYe - Reply to #110

hmm, Jack Thompson might be right. I can see lots of CS and Q3 kiddies out on the rampage trying to kill Angel over the next few days. Maybe Jack has it all figured out after all...

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<< Comment #6 @ 09:24 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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noctis +++|

so they really lost all their sponsors and got sierra as a replacement.

<< Comment #7 @ 09:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

judge717

looks like Angel didn't get the games he wanted

<< Comment #8 @ 09:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

pinball-

lol

<< Comment #9 @ 09:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

sansai

Now where's the love for Angel ?
Can't wait for Carmac's column !

p.s. : lmao @ Severity

<< Comment #234 @ 11:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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hemostick + - Reply to #9

Terrible news for all 17 of the severity team

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<< Comment #10 @ 09:26 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Weird +++

innit fun how consistent the Angel is.... with stuff saying (smth like) 'I strongly believe in the 1v1 tournaments', or 'quake will not be dropped next year' etc. etc. and what happens Oo

<< Comment #11 @ 09:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ACiD.

q3? wt?

<< Comment #12 @ 09:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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SweepeR

thats some kind of bullshit :o

<< Comment #13 @ 09:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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HenL

When will these organizations stop fucking themselves and anyone interested over?

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<< Comment #14 @ 09:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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zealot

wait a minute...
at first i thought it's kind of like a 'ok' move seeing the sierra sponsorship and adding the fact that fear-multiplayer is free. but then i realized it's on freaking XBOX !!!!?!!?!? haha : )

<< Comment #19 @ 09:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Tectonic ' - Reply to #14

FEAR is an awful game anyway if it's anything like the little demo thing they had at CPL summer 2005. All it was was hold down the trigger on opponent and hope for the best.

<< Comment #29 @ 09:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #19

or run really fast with melee and kill with one blow :D its really lol :D

<< Comment #172 @ 10:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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anal justice +| - Reply to #29

yep, FEAR MP is totally like that. kinda gay,

<< Comment #178 @ 10:54 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #172

hehe, yep, somehow reminds me of the beta times in CS when knife killed with one hit :D was really gay :D

<< Comment #467 @ 03:53 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Phantomas - Reply to #178

It still does if you hit in the head with secondary, which is kinda hard though :-)

<< Comment #468 @ 04:03 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #467

yes :D but even u stabbed in feet with primary it killed wit first in beta :D pwnzed

<< Comment #650 @ 21:52 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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FTY + - Reply to #172

Well cut Monotlith some slack, they made only shit games in the past, and FEAR isn't better, but let them have some money :P.

<< Comment #665 @ 04:16 CDT, 29 April 2007 >>

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Ignignokt - Reply to #650

NOLF ????

<< Comment #667 @ 15:51 CDT, 29 April 2007 >>

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FTY + - Reply to #665

That was a accidental mistake :P, but I actually never played it, so I'll say it's shit :)

<< Comment #668 @ 00:17 CDT, 30 April 2007 >>

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Ignignokt - Reply to #667

ini will hunt you down and beat you with a stick.

<< Comment #222 @ 11:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #14

Also it lacks demo recording and weapon balance. And it's very slow.

<< Comment #15 @ 09:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Black2lip

All about the benjamins.

<< Comment #16 @ 09:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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GUArd +++

haha CPL SUX BALLS!

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<< Comment #17 @ 09:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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TosspoT

April fools was 23 days ago

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<< Comment #170 @ 10:50 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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demu - Reply to #17

GTFO

<< Comment #18 @ 09:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

bullitt

F.E.A.R. =)

i just love the CPL :V

<< Comment #20 @ 09:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ini

World in Conflict doesn't even have a release date haha

<< Comment #21 @ 09:32 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wakka

where is q3 ? where is q3 ? where is q3 ? fanboys

Edited by wakka at 09:33 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #30 @ 09:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #21

On my hdd :o

<< Comment #32 @ 09:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ACiD. - Reply to #21

where is q3 ? where is q3 ? where is q3 ? fanboys

<< Comment #85 @ 10:05 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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funnyb + - Reply to #21

oh the irony seeing as ur one of the biggest fanboys on esr

<< Comment #91 @ 10:07 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wakka - Reply to #85

at least the game im a fanboy of doesnt have 2000 players (1990 bots)

Edited by wakka at 10:08 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #133 @ 10:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #91

At least the game we're fanboys of doesn't need "e-sports" to have 10 people playing it.

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<< Comment #140 @ 10:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #133

ZOMG! ESR FIGHT Q3 VS Q4 PLACE YOUR BETS NOW !

<< Comment #145 @ 10:32 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #140

q3 easy plz. it's with wakka.

<< Comment #245 @ 11:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #145

damn you, veritas would have given me great odds to bet on :(

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<< Comment #277 @ 12:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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eri - Reply to #91

quite correct, it only has 18 of which 17 don't even enjoy it, you're the exception that confirms the rule

<< Comment #669 @ 07:48 CDT, 30 April 2007 >>

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funnyb + - Reply to #277

wrong, im sure only reason he plays it is cause his brother does, kinda /whipped @ family

<< Comment #347 @ 14:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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knallebumm - Reply to #91

3180 without bots and ping9999 servers (all mods, with all seeing eye)

q4: 275 (all mods, with maxbrowse)

both scanned 5 minutes ago

and i know that q3 duel and tdm is dead (126 and 128 players)

ctf base: 99
ctf osp: 231
clanarena: 212
UT: 495
RA3: 207
NoGhost: 509 (wtf is that?)
...

FEAR: 313 (all seeing eye)
Quake2 : 621
Painkiller: 18 (12bots)
Doom3: 66
No one lives forever: 11
Enemy Territory: 12186

Edited by knallebumm at 08:57 CDT, 24 April 2007

<< Comment #438 @ 18:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #347

dueling aint dead at all.

<< Comment #441 @ 19:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #91

ps. I got more + than you so Q3 wins. egd.

<< Comment #106 @ 10:14 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ : - Reply to #21

Man, shut the fuck up, it's bad news for the WHOLE quake scene.

Edited by mefajpe at 10:14 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #151 @ 10:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #106

You don't get it. It's bad news for the whole quake scene only if it's about Q4, if it's about Q3 it's "evolution" !
Damn you Darwin and your flawed theories. :[

<< Comment #351 @ 14:29 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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tourist - Reply to #151

Damn right! God made q3 and that's where it should stay!

<< Comment #121 @ 10:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Khorney ' - Reply to #21

Where is q4? :(

<< Comment #128 @ 10:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #121

@ eswc @ wsvg :P

<< Comment #135 @ 10:29 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Khorney ' - Reply to #128

Last year's WSVG was a huge dissapointment q4 wise in my oppinion the game wasnt ready for it (which it hopefully is this year though), and the coverage broadcasted was utterly dissapointing.

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<< Comment #264 @ 12:14 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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SyN - Reply to #135

don't expect either to be any better this year :p

<< Comment #325 @ 13:47 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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_agu : - Reply to #135

q4 > *

<< Comment #415 @ 16:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Venim + - Reply to #325

you have computers in brazil? and if so, you have computers that run q4? who the hell do you play there :o

<< Comment #452 @ 23:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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_agu : - Reply to #415

lol ?

<< Comment #454 @ 23:11 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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_agu : - Reply to #415

it doesnt have community in brazil, +\- 8 players: http://quake4fun.syndicateclan.com/

<< Comment #458 @ 23:58 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Venim + - Reply to #454

sounds about the same as the north america scene :)

<< Comment #538 @ 12:38 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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_agu : - Reply to #458

dont worry

<< Comment #343 @ 14:16 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mammon : - Reply to #135

Same here, but I liked the i30 streams, Q4 evolved a lot.

<< Comment #356 @ 14:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Khorney ' - Reply to #343

I didnt watch i30 at all really, but it definately has gotten better and better.

<< Comment #339 @ 14:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Carpio ++' - Reply to #21

Sorry Wakka but you are and idiot! Are you happy now that its not Q3? Dont you understand that this is bad for quake in general? It does not matter if it is q3 or q4. This is sad new for the whole quake community!

Edited by Carpio at 14:09 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #352 @ 14:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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tourist - Reply to #339

I believe the word you looking for is 'shattering'. :)

<< Comment #439 @ 18:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wakka - Reply to #339

would it help q4 if they would pick q3 as their game? even if my comments doesnt helps q4 :<, and it nice to CPL flop when they are acting like idiots , even if it would be nice with a world tour with good games. and btw i would rather see q3 as their wt game then fear and woc

Edited by wakka at 19:35 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #474 @ 05:57 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #439

yes, it would help q4 even if it's just bringing media attention to the Quake - name.

<< Comment #22 @ 09:32 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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d00mer

JESUS CHRIST GET ME OUT OF HERE!

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<< Comment #131 @ 10:26 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Curious - Reply to #22

his sense of humour > * :D

<< Comment #23 @ 09:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666

hahahahaha F.E.A.R :D thats the lamest fps multiplayer i have ever played :DDD

and why the hell there is no real 1on1 game ? all i know is f.e.a.r is gay 1on1 if that will be that :DDDDDDDDDDD

CPL is getting really lame.

<< Comment #24 @ 09:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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[TA]STiNGS

Quake is sooo dead :X

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<< Comment #111 @ 10:16 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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gSTRUCTOR +++' - Reply to #24

Incorrect, CPL is so dead, quake is alive and kicking, quoting ESWC mastermind:

"The commercial success of a game isn't enough to guarantee its presence at the ESWC. Nor is the size of its player community. To draw an extreme analogy, how many Formula 1 drivers are there in the world? A handful compared with the millions of fans who appreciate their talent. Quake is an elitist, difficult discipline, but it represents the father in the family tree of electronic sports, where StarCraft could be the mother."

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<< Comment #160 @ 10:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wakka - Reply to #111

Thats the best thing someone ever said about quake

<< Comment #197 @ 11:05 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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juxx - Reply to #160

or the biggest bullshit, I can afford quake and a pc but I could never imagine getting the funds to race in a discipline as F1

<< Comment #204 @ 11:16 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #197

I think the point of eswc guy was : although just a few people in the world have the chance to drive a F1, this sport is followed by numerous fans"

in other words : "quake isn't newbie friendly and not played by tons of players, still it's spectator friendly and enjoyable at watching"

Edited by wata at 11:17 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #296 @ 12:46 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Bluder ' - Reply to #204

noone watch quake either... :/

<< Comment #248 @ 11:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #197

that's why it's and "extreme analogy"

<< Comment #585 @ 01:26 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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juxx - Reply to #248

it's a plain bad analogy, just compare it to any sport and say that anyone can play it but you have to be talented/motivated to reach the top, as in anything (or say that q4 and F1 have bling bling models :p)

Edited by juxx at 01:32 CDT, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #220 @ 11:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Dolvich - Reply to #160

agree

<< Comment #25 @ 09:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mojo :

April fools?

<< Comment #26 @ 09:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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exp! +'

wtf?

<< Comment #27 @ 09:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Troll

Sounds like a bad survival plan, possibly a sacrifice to fund Severity.

<< Comment #35 @ 09:35 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #27

Severity to be published by Sierra maybe

<< Comment #64 @ 09:50 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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zealot - Reply to #35

dream on

<< Comment #66 @ 09:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #64

I'm not dreaming, I don't care :o

<< Comment #132 @ 10:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Troll - Reply to #35

could be

<< Comment #180 @ 10:55 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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anal justice +| - Reply to #132

vivendi gha gha

<< Comment #28 @ 09:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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TUMULT ++

Tragedy.

<< Comment #31 @ 09:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Ztrider

I lol'd

<< Comment #138 @ 10:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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He4rTL3sS +' - Reply to #31

you'll play WoW @ WSVG... :D

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<< Comment #402 @ 16:32 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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cbs - Reply to #138

:D edg

<< Comment #437 @ 18:50 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Carmac ' - Reply to #138

I lol'd

<< Comment #33 @ 09:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mammon :

R.I.P Q3 u were the best

<< Comment #198 @ 11:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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stelamfanboy - Reply to #33

^na u ARE the best

<< Comment #34 @ 09:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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noctis +++|

200 comments in 2 hours, gogogo.

<< Comment #39 @ 09:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ACiD. - Reply to #34

10 mins to beat?

<< Comment #200 @ 11:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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noctis +++| - Reply to #39

Posted by Zerter @ 16:16 CEST
18:10 CEST (200 comments)

told ya :D

<< Comment #469 @ 04:15 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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ACiD. - Reply to #200

wohoo \o/

<< Comment #36 @ 09:35 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Aaron '

cool, nice one CPL, for the best me thinks. [+]

rock on 2007!

<< Comment #38 @ 09:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #36

Been playing FEAR for a few months now, at first it seems really shallow and stuff but to be honest it's got twice the depth of quake.

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<< Comment #41 @ 09:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #38

lies. stop eating those mushrooms, they make you think funny.

<< Comment #43 @ 09:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #41

urgh, if you can't see the depth in fear then you're a retard, I'm sorry.

<< Comment #53 @ 09:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #43

no im not, i played it actively for 1-2 months and it was just lame :P

<< Comment #47 @ 09:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #41

No lies, once you really get into it, it's amazing. quake and it's pick up armour/rail/shaft can't touch it.

<< Comment #87 @ 10:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #47

Care to elaborate ?

<< Comment #97 @ 10:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #87

Not really

<< Comment #104 @ 10:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #97

Thanks !

Would you do it now ?

<< Comment #105 @ 10:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #87

sarcasm :D

<< Comment #113 @ 10:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #105

Well I haven't played FEAR nor given it any attention really, I could have missed something. :|

<< Comment #123 @ 10:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #105

What makes you think that????????

<< Comment #129 @ 10:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #123

Oh bleh. OK, I AM tired. Hell of a week-end. :<

<< Comment #137 @ 10:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #129

he's not being sarcastic =| he's quite the F.E.A.R. player, infact some peeps think he cheat. kinda funny =\

<< Comment #141 @ 10:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #137

:(

<< Comment #293 @ 12:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Ignignokt - Reply to #105

No need for sarcasm about these great news for v-sports :D

<< Comment #165 @ 10:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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fooKi - Reply to #47

do you play it on xbox or on PC ?

<< Comment #173 @ 10:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #165

xbox

<< Comment #226 @ 11:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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therogue - Reply to #165

going for world titles in GoW and FEAR? :p

<< Comment #42 @ 09:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #38

true, i've heard this a lot, although I doubt the mindless fanboys here with their heads lodged up their arse would even give it such a try

<< Comment #99 @ 10:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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bo - Reply to #42

You know that FEAR will be played on xbox360 ?

<< Comment #189 @ 11:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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anal justice +| - Reply to #99

have you tried it on xbox? i know i did. not a big difference IMO. its shit anyway.

<< Comment #171 @ 10:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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fern - Reply to #36

this isnt the zimmerman i know :(

<< Comment #290 @ 12:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Ignignokt - Reply to #36

Hope we guys can play FEAR again as a team. We won it all last time mates!

<< Comment #37 @ 09:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (adsl-70-142-192-173.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)

Pro-gaming is just a sad extension of advertising. :(

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<< Comment #136 @ 10:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #37

Well depends on the game and what you call pro-gaming though.
Magic The Gathering for instance has had a huge and stable playerbase for years.
Video gaming is not even near the beginning of this though, agreed.

<< Comment #279 @ 12:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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eri - Reply to #136

The makersof mtg know how to support their game though

The thriving pro tour scene and pro players club as an example, 'esports' is all about the money on the contrary

<< Comment #326 @ 13:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #279

Not to mention it's probably as deep if not more so than e-sports (lol)

<< Comment #158 @ 10:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wviperw - Reply to #37

Well yes, isn't this obvious? When it comes right down to it, *all* pro sports are just an extension of advertising.

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<< Comment #228 @ 11:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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therogue - Reply to #158

well, all pro sports are intrinsically linked with advertising.. but in esports advertising and marketing control the "sport" almost absolutely

Edited by therogue at 11:38 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #303 @ 13:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ix +: - Reply to #158

They're funded because people want to watch the sport for the excitement and skill so advertisers have an audience. Esports is now this bizarre fuck up where people are supposed to tune in to watch games that are in themselves nothing more than adverts.

This model of Esports will fail.

<< Comment #327 @ 13:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #303

Hopefully sooner rather than later.

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<< Comment #377 @ 15:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #327

fingers crossed

<< Comment #40 @ 09:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Nellie

haha classic

<< Comment #44 @ 09:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

shlaeNg

WTF is all I can say.

<< Comment #45 @ 09:39 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

wipeout

:D:DD:D:D:DD:Dd:dD.d:DD

makes the wow tournament look good.

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<< Comment #50 @ 09:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

shqdow - Reply to #45

hahaha

<< Comment #80 @ 10:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ACiD. - Reply to #45

xDD

<< Comment #46 @ 09:39 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

mefajpE^ :

J i b a l i t y

no? :<<

<< Comment #49 @ 09:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Mav_

What the... ?

<< Comment #51 @ 09:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

zzhro^

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ! :)

<< Comment #52 @ 09:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

senzor

It's all about money, don't you get it? :-(

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<< Comment #344 @ 14:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Carpio ++' - Reply to #52

Like EVERYTHING in this world!

<< Comment #54 @ 09:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

wipeout

The tour will feature two critically acclaimed titles from Sierra Entertainment for the largely amateur and grassroots competitions, shining a spotlight on the next generation of professional video games sports stars.

Edited by wipeout at 09:44 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #56 @ 09:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ReDeYe

Go Fatal1ty, easy 13th world title.

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<< Comment #59 @ 09:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

randomness666 - Reply to #56

hahaha =D

<< Comment #112 @ 10:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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therogue - Reply to #56

i heard it would be 26th?

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<< Comment #345 @ 14:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Carpio ++' - Reply to #56

Muhahahaha! Go fat! :DD

Edited by Carpio at 14:20 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #55 @ 09:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

marle

Oo

<< Comment #57 @ 09:44 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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h3i

It'll be 10 times more successful and 100 times less interesting.

Edited by h3i at 10:28 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #146 @ 10:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sansai - Reply to #57

Nice paintjob.

<< Comment #324 @ 13:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Paracet - Reply to #57

nice

<< Comment #462 @ 02:11 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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lky - Reply to #57

rofl, gold

<< Comment #58 @ 09:44 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Backstab

made me lol, what a joke

<< Comment #60 @ 09:46 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

forn1x

*grasps forehead*

<< Comment #62 @ 09:48 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Joe

hmmmm

<< Comment #63 @ 09:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ddk ++|

first wcg, now cpl, i put a fiver on eswc selling out next

rip q3

Edited by ddk at 09:50 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #65 @ 09:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

deotrip

bunch of wankers

<< Comment #67 @ 09:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

omar

APRIL FOOLS

<< Comment #68 @ 09:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Nicky

im still RoFL ... geez and i thought WSVG had a bad games list

Edited by ESR|Nicky at 09:52 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #246 @ 11:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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PureBaldness - Reply to #68

LoL

<< Comment #69 @ 09:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Xsi +'

I dunno what to say, but i think it will be last WT for CPL ....

<< Comment #70 @ 09:54 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

SyXz

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

btw R.I.P. CPL :))

Edited by SyXz at 09:56 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #71 @ 09:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

LEOPOLD STOTCH

YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME??!?!

<< Comment #549 @ 17:05 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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PureBaldness - Reply to #71

I HAVE TO RESPOND TO YOU IN CAPITAL LETTERS!!!12

<< Comment #608 @ 08:59 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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LEOPOLD STOTCH - Reply to #549

THIS NEWS DESERVES ANSWERS IN CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY FFS!!!!!111111

<< Comment #619 @ 14:42 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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PureBaldness - Reply to #608

OH I KNOW, BUT YOUR NAME LOL

<< Comment #656 @ 11:51 CDT, 27 April 2007 >>

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LEOPOLD STOTCH - Reply to #619

:S

<< Comment #72 @ 10:00 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

stelamfanboy

that hurst
ouch i was waiting for it since almost one year and now no q3 i cant believe it
fear?????????? omy fucking godness please say its a joke

<< Comment #73 @ 10:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

dkillone

im speechless...

but i still lol'ed!!

<< Comment #74 @ 10:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ :

Apparently they lost both major sponsors AMD&ATi. Now it's Sierra their lead sponsor according to the www, thus that's why they have to use shit games for that WT. What a shame and wasting time on testing q3 maps and load of discussions. Anyway it is still better for them to be (more or less) alive...

Edited by mefajpe at 10:11 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #86 @ 10:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #74

AMD & ATI are one company now so that figures they lost both :D

<< Comment #96 @ 10:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ : - Reply to #86

right again, forgot about that :-)

<< Comment #75 @ 10:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (c-24-118-149-248.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)

In memory of our long time friend 'Quake III Arena' the following services will be held.

Prayer Service
Wednesday, April 25th
at #q31v1 at 8:00 pm.

Funeral Service
will be held Friday, April 27th
at 11:00 am at #q31v1

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<< Comment #78 @ 10:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ReDeYe - Reply to #75

LOL

<< Comment #84 @ 10:04 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

killat0n - Reply to #78

oops wasn't logged in

*With that being said, I would like to invite all former q3 players to attend a welcoming party for all of you into q4 in #q41v1 @ gamesurge.

Edited by killat0n at 12:54 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #107 @ 10:15 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #84

+ you now you are logged in :P

<< Comment #154 @ 10:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Troll - Reply to #75

Q3 died 5 years ago, get over it.

<< Comment #162 @ 10:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

donka | - Reply to #75

what network?

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<< Comment #273 @ 12:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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KOOLKEITH - Reply to #75

Yeah, that's great and all, but if that's the gamesurge channel its run by a bunch of Counterstrike players. The real q3'ers are in #quake31v1.

<< Comment #76 @ 10:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

M4ZzOnEw

zomfg

<< Comment #77 @ 10:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ReDeYe

I have to reply with some of the quotes over the last few months. They make interesting reading, although it is obvious these were made well before Sierra came along. Still, it puts some of the things said into a new context now doesnt it...

"For the teams now switching to Source because DirecTV was denied a license for 1.6, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. The CPL is using 1.6 in 2007. Hopefully the "future of esports" can include many different ideas and concepts," wrote Munoz.

In a interview with GotFrag Mr Angel Munoz stated that

"the primary game for the CPL World Tour 2007 is Quake 3." He also told us a little about his reason for this, saying that "time-tested games help provide stability to esports and its competitors" and continuing with "time-tested games offer familiarity to wider audiences."

I also wanted to quote something from the press release, but it is no longer available... (http://www.thecpl.com/severity/press.pdf) and nor are the comments regarding Q3 in 2007 to be found in the CPL forums either.

The games picked are odd, unless you remember that Sierra are sponsoring the tour, in which case, its not odd, its just about sales. For CPL it also seems to be about money and nothing else although I have seen a trend recently from big money investors into esports which the CPL is also following. Other big name companies (and I wont name them right now) are also looking at running "World Tournaments" and they too are looking at games NOT played by pro gamers or clans.

When I asked why this was, I was told, because they dont want to have to deal with the pro clans and their unrealistic demands on the organiser and therefore running a tournament for a game that has NO pro community is better for these companies investing millions as the players are not overly critical of the game, the publisher or the company running the event and indeed are actually just thrilled that they can play for money at a big televised event. They also seem to want to make their OWN stars, in much the way that CGS have done so with the DOA players, particularly Master, who has become an overnight household name (or near enough) in the states after his antics during CGI.

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<< Comment #92 @ 10:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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dallow - Reply to #77

lol nice work!

<< Comment #102 @ 10:12 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mAx` - Reply to #77

Your post reminds me how useful the g7 seems to be :O)

<< Comment #297 @ 12:56 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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kautzy - Reply to #102

bleh stop mentioning g7, enough stupid news for today :)

<< Comment #103 @ 10:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Zeatrix - Reply to #77

Well, what it probably came down to was this or nothing for the CPL. Although I was very surprised at the laughable line-up, I think I understand why it had to happen.

<< Comment #159 @ 10:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Troll - Reply to #77

Luckily there was one quote left I managed to grab before CPL took it down...

I suck donkey balls

- Angel Munoz

<< Comment #190 @ 11:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #77

Your right about allmost everything except CS:S is infact played by professional gamers. I'm crossing my fingers for that tournament. But they have made drastical changes in gameplay rules so that it gets less tactical just so its supposed to be more "viewer friendly".

<< Comment #196 @ 11:04 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ReDeYe - Reply to #190

I didnt mention CS:S and as a player of the game and commentator who casted the WCG finals (on CS:Source) I am well aware of its professional nature :p

<< Comment #203 @ 11:16 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #77

google ftw.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:Kk7E1Xo4K...&gl=uk

<< Comment #206 @ 11:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ReDeYe - Reply to #203

Your googling skills own mine :(

Thanks, but the quote I was looking for wasnt in the press release after all. Damn my memory.

<< Comment #253 @ 11:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Shaddap - Reply to #77

when was "esports" about anything but advertising and the money? Wake up..there is no esport, it is a joke and there never will be.

<< Comment #272 @ 12:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #253

clanbase, etc.. are what I call esport

but put some money in there and you got clown-leagues and shits
anything that goes mainstream with big money turn to shit, no news

Edited by wata at 12:23 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #381 @ 15:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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sai - Reply to #272

Just a thought... but why haven't more organizers put up a league where you pay a modest entrance fee and winner takes all?

<< Comment #384 @ 15:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #381

because players already know that toxic will win
maybe if it's well balanced, with enough divisions to regroup similar skilled players it could interest some players

<< Comment #493 @ 07:28 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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sai - Reply to #384

"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."

<< Comment #450 @ 21:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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therogue - Reply to #381

cevo is pay2play

<< Comment #256 @ 12:00 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #77

Master has always been a name in many households ;)

Sry, couldn't resist, today is bad jokes day anyway.

<< Comment #322 @ 13:44 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #256

*offtopic / curious*
You are into that Warsow game aren't you? How is that? Got a decent player mass? I just DLed it for linux.

<< Comment #335 @ 14:04 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #322

uh, I played it some a year ago.
So, no you are mistaking me for someone else. Game is fun though ;)

<< Comment #79 @ 10:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fuzz +'

I LOLD AS I'V NEVER LOLD BEFORE

but now after few minutes of laught i am sad, very sad

2 games i care less than about carom3d

Edited by fuzz at 10:02 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #81 @ 10:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Dird '

ROFL @ CPL

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<< Comment #83 @ 10:04 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Aaron ' - Reply to #81

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<< Comment #94 @ 10:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ini - Reply to #81

BRAP

<< Comment #88 @ 10:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ACiD.

at lease fatal1ty wanted a new game... xbox /o\

ps ROFL

<< Comment #89 @ 10:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

kaboom

very funny :D

<< Comment #90 @ 10:07 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

kayoh

at least its a 1on1 fps game... :P

<< Comment #93 @ 10:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

light |

I never really played fear, but some people mentioned its good in multi and some say its lame, either way you cant possibly think any fps game plays good on an x-box with a gamepad as controller?

<< Comment #461 @ 02:05 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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nthexwn ' - Reply to #93

I am one of the only PC FPS gamers on the M$ test circuit and I have been told off the record by individuals on the inside that M$ is bringing the 360 controller to the PC because the "community" prefers it over a mouse as an aiming device.

Apparently we're all supposed to be eagerly awaiting the USB versions of these cripplesticks so we can enjoy Halo 2 on our PCs until we "upgrade" to Halo 3 on our 360s. You can bet this is where the tournament money and TV coverage will be headed as well.

Guys, we're being left outside to rot.

I'm sure these comments put my job at risk but considering the "community" that they're tuned in to I doubt they pay any attention to ESR...

Besides, after being surrounded by Crackdown and WoW addicts all day long I need a chance to vent or I'll go nuclear. ;-|

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<< Comment #475 @ 06:00 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #461

haha, just imagine the "MOUSEUSER HAX FAG!!!1!!" whine, would be priceless tbh :P

<< Comment #95 @ 10:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

obsolete

So they are making a Severity...an amalgam of CS and Q3, but neither are included in the tour...makes sense. None of the players who play those games are even going to be remotely interested in the CPL by the time Sev comes out (remember that supposedly Sev will have an introductory tourney at the end of this year). It'll be interesting to see what their plan is for pulling people over to the game as a league that is no longer #1.

In light of the recent CGS announcement and the late announcement for this year's world tour, I am guessing things are not going well again this year for the CPL. Anyone else remember the days when CPL was the only league that mattered, prize payouts were increasing year-to-year, and many of us believed they were on the verge of ushering in 1v1 as a new sport?

<< Comment #117 @ 10:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Zeatrix - Reply to #95

I remember those times, I miss them greatly...

<< Comment #142 @ 10:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Khorney ' - Reply to #95

I wonder if Sierra will let them use Severity :)

<< Comment #149 @ 10:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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noctis +++| - Reply to #142

maybe if they publish the game ?:)

<< Comment #163 @ 10:44 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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obsolete - Reply to #149

If that's the reason then they ought to just state it outright.

<< Comment #98 @ 10:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

snotcrow

hahahaha :D

<< Comment #108 @ 10:15 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

puma_

Ok, so that's two. First the WCG, now the CPL..

<< Comment #114 @ 10:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ : - Reply to #108

hello... nothing left.

<< Comment #323 @ 13:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #114

ESWC. Support ESWC this year imo. They have a GREAT atmosphere around the classic 1v1 games. I'm going there in person like I did last year.

<< Comment #330 @ 13:58 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ : - Reply to #323

I mean nothing left for q3..

<< Comment #350 @ 14:29 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #330

Q3 is a good game, but it's got a marginal appeal in it's current form, and it does not have the graphics that kids/sponsors want. =( Q4 would've been the only path to go from here imo.

<< Comment #125 @ 10:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mojo : - Reply to #108

WSVG as well. Kind of CGS too.

<< Comment #284 @ 12:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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puma_ - Reply to #125

At least WSVG have Quake...

<< Comment #115 @ 10:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Larvi

all you q4 pros get your xboxes ready!!!

<< Comment #174 @ 10:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fooKi - Reply to #115

i just bought a wii! doh!

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<< Comment #270 @ 12:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

naymlis - Reply to #174

howd you find one?

<< Comment #288 @ 12:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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fooKi - Reply to #270

I was lucky. Didn't even realize it. I took it very slow and waited hours before ordering one. Like one hour later it said "SOLD OUT!" on the site.

<< Comment #403 @ 16:35 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

zine - Reply to #174

SSBB

<< Comment #116 @ 10:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Sub_ '

oooh my.. had to read it 3 times till I was sure they were being serious..

<< Comment #118 @ 10:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

8bitlobster :

dun caer

<< Comment #119 @ 10:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Åke Vader ++'

Welcome to Quakeworld! :D
It's all going downhill now.

Edited by Åke Vader at 10:21 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #122 @ 10:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

sparkie

3 words:
WHAT THE FUCK?!!?!?!?!?!?!!!

<< Comment #126 @ 10:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR +++'

CPL: Cyberathlete Profesional Liers

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<< Comment #127 @ 10:24 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Khorney '

I would be sad if I wasnt laughing so much.
I suggest we (all sites) perform a boycott of all CPL coverage this year!

Edit: and ban angel from ESR!

Edited by Khorney at 10:30 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #153 @ 10:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #127

banning angel from esr would be too cruel :( ?

its like taking a knife away from emo kid :'(

<< Comment #130 @ 10:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

tom +:

look on the bright side, at least you can move over to cpm now

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<< Comment #166 @ 10:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #130

q4 > cp-mode ... tho cp-mode can be fun sometimes =)

Edited by Danski at 10:45 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #283 @ 12:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #166

all the time*

<< Comment #317 @ 13:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

randomness666 - Reply to #283

sometimes *

<< Comment #134 @ 10:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

mute

CPL fuckheads.

$$$

$$$

$$$

Yeah, shove it up your ass.

<< Comment #139 @ 10:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

MarzenGold '

shattering news for all 4, 1vs1 players that made a living of it, now get back to the servers and have some fun =)

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<< Comment #143 @ 10:32 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Aaron '

BRAAAAP

Edited by Zerter at 10:36 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #144 @ 10:32 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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xgo :

who cares, still q3 > *
its the community that matters

<< Comment #156 @ 10:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ : - Reply to #144

Yes, but that coummunity needs some sort of "new fuel" that drives the scene on, at least from time to time. Everybody was waiting for CPL, and now that fuel is gone. What a fucking shame.

Edited by mefajpe at 10:41 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #147 @ 10:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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wata +'

posting in a wutlol thread

<< Comment #148 @ 10:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

FlyingDJ

Didn't really expect Q3 to be there anyway.

<< Comment #150 @ 10:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Kage

Why is everyone competing to get gayer in hosting games?
WSVG with guitar hero and now CPL with this stuff =/. To think 500,000 could have been used so well to host other games bah.

<< Comment #213 @ 11:26 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ashr - Reply to #150

good thing you said guitar hero.. if you said wow i would have come back home and pwned you in the face with pie.

<< Comment #152 @ 10:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

retire

oh, to be a quake fan

<< Comment #155 @ 10:39 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

TUMULT ++

That's lies!

Edited by freak_ at 10:40 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #164 @ 10:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Xsi +' - Reply to #155

Posted on September 7th, 2006 at 10:59 am

<< Comment #275 @ 12:29 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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TUMULT ++ - Reply to #164

orly.

<< Comment #285 @ 12:39 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Xsi +' - Reply to #275

yarly.

<< Comment #157 @ 10:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

obsolete

Hmmm...I'm also wondering what the community would have been like if we had never experienced this whole up-and-down esports ride? Ten years of playing quake was largely influenced by the whole esports phenomenon, and through that entire time probably the most fun leagues to follow were the prizeless online leagues.

Personally, I thought CPL was bouncing back after the announcements at the last Winter event, but clearly it would be unwise for the quake community to treat their statements as promises going forward. Maybe they have good intentions, maybe they don't...the point is they don't have the capability to back up their word. Maybe it's time for the quake community to go back to the most important prize of all: bragging rights.

Edited by obsolete at 10:43 CDT, 23 April 2007

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<< Comment #161 @ 10:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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HenL

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<< Comment #254 @ 11:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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mojo : - Reply to #161

wtf is that

<< Comment #276 @ 12:29 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

TUMULT ++ - Reply to #254

u

<< Comment #282 @ 12:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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tbone : - Reply to #254

I think it is a head bent in shame.

<< Comment #442 @ 19:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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revoN - Reply to #282

It looks like a helmet about to be put on IMO.

<< Comment #444 @ 19:26 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #442

It looks like an emo doing his/her hair.

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<< Comment #448 @ 20:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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fragmaster_ ++| - Reply to #444

ok i can't see anything of what you guys wrote so far :/

<< Comment #310 @ 13:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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HenL - Reply to #254

ESR distorted it, but it's FACEPALM

<< Comment #318 @ 13:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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fojji - Reply to #254

it's captain picard

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<< Comment #389 @ 15:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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al-Muharib - Reply to #161

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<< Comment #432 @ 17:56 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Because - Reply to #161

The Fixed Width Store Called....they wanted to remind you there's a sale this weekend!

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<< Comment #167 @ 10:47 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

XiomaraGel

Andddd the clock keeps ticking and counting until Angel decides to come and give a statement.
I wonder what the excuse would be?

<< Comment #168 @ 10:48 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

koOma

R.I.P Q3 and CPL.

<< Comment #177 @ 10:54 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

SyncError ' - Reply to #168

I wouldn't quite rip on Q3 just yet. ;)

7%

<< Comment #183 @ 10:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

noctis +++| - Reply to #177

quakecon ?!?!?!? :D

<< Comment #186 @ 10:59 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

koOma - Reply to #177

nah prolly not. Just really dissapointed CPL dropped it..

<< Comment #188 @ 11:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Troll - Reply to #177

I would, unless Id software are hosting a trillion dollar world tour.

<< Comment #191 @ 11:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ReDeYe - Reply to #177

:)

<< Comment #199 @ 11:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fuzz +' - Reply to #177

if its ET<=>Q3, i HATE you

<< Comment #202 @ 11:14 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

SyncError ' - Reply to #199

I said Q3. Not ET, nor Q3 Engine, but QUAKE 3.

<< Comment #205 @ 11:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fuzz +' - Reply to #202

I don't hate you! Yet.

<< Comment #299 @ 12:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

judge717 - Reply to #202

can you share any information beyond that ? Lol :p

<< Comment #502 @ 08:23 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

vedic - Reply to #202

=OOO

<< Comment #622 @ 20:43 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

By

poindexter - Reply to #202

y tease y?

<< Comment #201 @ 11:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

deth - Reply to #177

Why do you do this to us? Why?!? D:

<< Comment #287 @ 12:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

voodoochopstiks - Reply to #177

you're so evil :(

But you're not contradicting CPL RIP? :D

<< Comment #175 @ 10:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Troll

Its worse than PK, except we all know its going to be bad before its even started. Cry or laugh?

<< Comment #251 @ 11:55 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

PureBaldness - Reply to #175

You fucking love all of this, don't you? :D

grave news ftw?

<< Comment #176 @ 10:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Hawr1x

If Iam getting THIS announcement in correct way, it JUST say, that there will be two Sierra Entertainment, that will be @ XBOX360.

There is NO WORD about PC games ... so there will be Quake 3 according to this article ... or this mean PCs will be NO LONGER @ CPL?

Coz if this news mean that there will be only XBOX games, it really sucks and CPL should be banned all arround ... (and iam really sorry, that i cant [-] this news :-)

BTW I think that this announcement DEFINITELY means NOTHING! for Quake community ;-) Coz we will overlive ALL CPL, ESL, WSVG .... WCG and others !

<< Comment #194 @ 11:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

SyXz - Reply to #176

fear - xbox
world in conflict - pc

<< Comment #231 @ 11:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Hawr1x - Reply to #194

ttj ... and what about ...
XBOX - Quake 4
PC - Quake 3
:)

<< Comment #179 @ 10:54 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Badb0y +

its a joke, it is a joke. isnt it.

<< Comment #181 @ 10:56 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Syn-

The Quake community gets kicked in the balls again 6 years later, how does it feel?

That said, it seems like a smart business move by the CPL. Of course, that doesn't stop Quake players from sharpening their pitch forks. :)

Edited by Syn- at 12:56 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #182 @ 10:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Paladia

"The tour will feature two critically acclaimed titles from Sierra Entertainment"

How can World in Conflict be critically acclaimed when it isn't even released yet, let alone is scheduled to be finished anytime soon?

Knowing the track record of Massive Entertainment, I do believe World in Conflict will be a good game, however.

<< Comment #185 @ 10:58 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ReDeYe - Reply to #182

It looked very good when we were shown it a few weeks ago. Not finished by some way, but still very impressive.

<< Comment #236 @ 11:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

netrex - Reply to #182

F.E.A.R. is critically acalimed SINGLEPLAYER game. In MP it's just good for some fun times IMO. Too unbalanced to be played properly. But an unbalanced game didn't stop someone from hosting a $100.000 HL2DM tournament though, so it's nothing new :(

<< Comment #336 @ 14:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Tidus - Reply to #182

Critically acclaimed in previews.

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<< Comment #484 @ 06:40 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

cubik - Reply to #182

So true :)

Ground Control 1&2 were quite decent though, they just got covered under so many mediocre rts games..

<< Comment #184 @ 10:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ReDeYe

http://www.thecpl.com/severity/

Not Found

The requested URL /severity/ was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.2 (Fedora) Server at www.thecpl.com Port 80

:(

<< Comment #192 @ 11:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

XiomaraGel - Reply to #184

hahahaha

The CPL must have a very fast and effective internal team to remove all of Angel's quotes or evidence that contradicts whatever they said two days ago.

<< Comment #291 @ 12:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

voodoochopstiks - Reply to #192

Reminds me of soviet russia and Trotsky tbh :D

<< Comment #334 @ 14:04 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ini - Reply to #291

Poor Trotsky, Bukharin etc :(

<< Comment #385 @ 15:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Requ13m - Reply to #291

In Soviet Russia, you do not play in video game league, video game league plays you.

<< Comment #440 @ 19:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Carmac ' - Reply to #291

Reminds me of how they erased Paul Kellerman in Prison Break!!!

<< Comment #504 @ 08:31 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

XiomaraGel - Reply to #440

Reminds me you should go and pest Angel about this.

<< Comment #187 @ 11:00 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (cp207267-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl)

its all about the mainstream and buttong bashing games that require skill are no longer relevant it appears. looks like esports is going to die after all

<< Comment #193 @ 11:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

butcher_kgp ++:

I mean are these two the "only" games for world tour ? or there will be pc FPS games featured too ?

I mean cpl WT running on only console FPS game ..that is kinda silly.

If thts true why not have a pro world tour for "Zelda" for strictly less than 8 year olds.

Edit:

WTF ?

Edited by butcher_kgp at 11:03 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #195 @ 11:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By $\0/$ V-DecK

WSVG & CPL are having a competition to see how many people they can get to play shitty games.

<< Comment #207 @ 11:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

det5

LOL WHAT THE FUCK

<< Comment #208 @ 11:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Rondrian

World in Conflict is actually already part of the iFNG of the german Pro Series and can played at all Pro Series stops in cities all over germany. Next stop is Friday in Bochum and after that it will be playable in Köln, Berlin, München and Stuttgart.

It was also already playable at the WC3L and Battle.net Season 4 Finals in Cologne, at last Winter Dreamhack and will be part of the Games Convention 07. :-)

It's a pretty good game and focused on eSports everyone should give it a try!

Edited by Rondrian at 11:24 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #211 @ 11:24 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Troll - Reply to #208

yes dude, we've all played it, we don't shit talk for no reason.

<< Comment #328 @ 13:50 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

graumull - Reply to #211

use addblock ;/

<< Comment #320 @ 13:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

danseko.dD - Reply to #208

World in Conflict is impossible to know how it's going to turn out at this point.. could be big.. could be small..

Edited by danseko.dD at 06:37 CDT, 24 April 2007

<< Comment #209 @ 11:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Troll

Now that CPL and WSVG have killed off themselves, theres now space for a real esports organisation.

<< Comment #210 @ 11:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

CLains

Read all, and a quote comes to mind:

"Perhaps I know best why it is man alone who laughs; he alone suffers so deeply that he had to invent laughter."
-Nietzsche

Compared to quake painkiller was identical compared to this shit x)

Edited by CPLains at 11:24 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #212 @ 11:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

dansen :

with sierra as sponsor they could take tribes2 as teamgame.

<< Comment #294 @ 12:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

voodoochopstiks - Reply to #212

or CS 1.6/HLDM for that matter :D

Edited by voodoochopstiks at 12:43 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #309 @ 13:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

anal justice +| - Reply to #294

and since sierra is part of vivendi, they could use World of Warcraft :D

<< Comment #214 @ 11:26 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ashr

lol atleast WoW has players.

for the first time in esports history, the 2nd prize of the CPL WT goes to some programmer for his excellent AI.

Edited by ashr at 11:27 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #216 @ 11:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

xejo

goodbye CPL, thank you very much

<< Comment #217 @ 11:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Jotabin

another deception from CPL :(

<< Comment #218 @ 11:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Brutal666

dont know what to say :/ CPL is not esport that's a fucking lamers :(

<< Comment #219 @ 11:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ekse

well done ... not

<< Comment #221 @ 11:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

cK-nomadic

looks like the possible nail in the coffin for cs. Time to get jobs? :\

<< Comment #623 @ 20:45 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

By

poindexter - Reply to #221

oh noes!

<< Comment #223 @ 11:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

cyan

:O

<< Comment #224 @ 11:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Nukm ++++:

we need a vote!
who's games selection is worse:
[ ] WSVG
[ ] CPL

angel got my vote on this one

<< Comment #244 @ 11:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

xoji : - Reply to #224

WCG.

<< Comment #247 @ 11:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Maidrion - Reply to #224

[ x ] CPL

<< Comment #271 @ 12:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

CENEk ' - Reply to #224

[ \ / ] WSVG
[ / \ ] CPL

16%

<< Comment #301 @ 12:59 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

judge717 - Reply to #271

lol creative

<< Comment #225 @ 11:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Cygnus

Its an anual perpetual cycle where sponsors find out how much crap Angel has fed them, where after they bail out.

The gullibility of some of these sponsors remains adorable.

Inconvienent for esports that these big sponsors, fucked over by Angel, will think twice before going on a new endeavour with a legit organisation.

<< Comment #227 @ 11:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

oubou68

CPL is dead by now!

<< Comment #229 @ 11:39 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

dadS

wankers

<< Comment #230 @ 11:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Naghokez

What probably happened was that it was either this or no cpl at all. Still very sad though.

<< Comment #232 @ 11:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Gladius '

sad =<

<< Comment #233 @ 11:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

wata +'

world in conflict
at least the game seems cool to watch
youtube video

<< Comment #387 @ 15:47 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Jetal - Reply to #233

Game looks terrible

<< Comment #235 @ 11:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

OpiuM^

Atleast i've heard about Fear - lol xbox. And then there's World in Conflict? wtf is that?

<< Comment #237 @ 11:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

vicek

:DDDDDDDD

Yea, choose more so easy games ;-D

I'm also looking forward to new stops in Iraq and some African countries :) It wouldn't be suprise for anyone :P

Edited by V!ct!M at 11:47 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #238 @ 11:46 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

netrex

If this is all they're gonna have it's just too stupid. But I hope this isn't all. There has to be another statement on the way. Hopefully.

<< Comment #239 @ 11:47 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

H1ghTecM@N^

MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY (not enough tbh)

<< Comment #240 @ 11:48 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (164.106.154.37)

Be careful guys... if you ask too many questions or get too deep into it, your whole clan might get banned from the CPL and CAL for six months.

/me coughs

<< Comment #298 @ 12:56 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Syn- - Reply to #240

km'd

<< Comment #308 @ 13:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (164.106.154.37) - Reply to #298

Heheh ;)

^5 Syn

<< Comment #241 @ 11:48 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

vicek

$$$, shit, newbs :>>>

<< Comment #242 @ 11:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

xoji :

As discussed many times before on here. Consoles will eventually be where 'professional' gayming will be heading. It's inevitable.

A little disappointing though. I was rather looking forward to a Q3 world tour.

<< Comment #243 @ 11:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Grumx

e e e e ee e e e e :D:D:D: NICE JOKE :D

<< Comment #252 @ 11:56 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

PureBaldness - Reply to #243

eeeeeeeee

<< Comment #250 @ 11:55 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

uniiity

What a great LACK OF RESPECT from the CPL. Great unprofessionalism.
How can you simply forget the clear message hundreds of players sent via the Quake series poll ? How can you forget Quake3 after stating and confirming twice that it will be the major game played at CPL WT ?
You lost the tiny community's confidence that was left.

<< Comment #258 @ 12:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fuzz +' - Reply to #250

You have been CPL'd.

1%

<< Comment #257 @ 12:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Black2lip

/ignore CPL

<< Comment #300 @ 12:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (247.146.broadband2.iol.cz) - Reply to #257

/ignore CPL

<< Comment #307 @ 13:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ra1nici - Reply to #257

/ignore CPL

<< Comment #355 @ 14:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

MarzenGold ' - Reply to #257

/ignore wakka

7%

<< Comment #260 @ 12:07 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Vayne

I stopped caring about cpl long ago, and nobody has missed out on anything really.

<< Comment #261 @ 12:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Lethe ++'

/kick Angel

<< Comment #262 @ 12:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

jaffeh

i guess money talks

<< Comment #263 @ 12:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Omni

F.E.A.R is more or less spray and pray in MP.... GEGE cpl.

Anyways q3 is not dead yet do to some lame announcement from cpl.

<< Comment #292 @ 12:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

becks - Reply to #263

try spraying with a console...

<< Comment #373 @ 15:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

xyGvot - Reply to #292

but no more spraying on gtv :<

<< Comment #388 @ 15:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

becks - Reply to #373

F.E.A.R. - TV??

guess not :/

<< Comment #265 @ 12:16 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

cK-nomadic

angel has to feed his family.

<< Comment #266 @ 12:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

tewic

Ok so they just lost a HUGE chunk of specs by that move, I personally wont even bother paying attention to their events... and I'm sure that most other quake/unrealtournament/warsow/other fast paced 1v1 gamers wont bother. (+ they lost the cs community, cpl is doomed from an european perspect, dno how many us people who do consoles, seems to be many, but hey, if they can't stand the tough competition in fast 1v1 games)

Just like, wont bother with wcg anymore, and I think there's many that wont, it's just... they NEED atleast 1 or two fast paced 1v1's.

1%

<< Comment #295 @ 12:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #266

^^ WIN ^^

<< Comment #391 @ 15:56 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Dird ' - Reply to #266

asif
everyones crying now but by the time the streams are being spammed in irc theyll all be connecting

<< Comment #395 @ 16:04 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ix +: - Reply to #391

Doubt it.

<< Comment #400 @ 16:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #395

REALLY doubt it.

<< Comment #401 @ 16:28 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fuzz +' - Reply to #391

To watch FEAR (maybe) beeing played on console (yeah, i better tune in to Paralympics games on TV)?

Edited by fuzz at 16:30 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #267 @ 12:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

GUMBAL

eswc rox §

<< Comment #269 @ 12:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

NaAani

Did anyone expect anything diffrent? =P
Anyway - lol @ cpl.

<< Comment #274 @ 12:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Hoodini

Seems like an interesting pick of games from several of the larger organisations. I guess time will only tell whether it is a success or not.

<< Comment #278 @ 12:31 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

TUMULT ++

/quit pro-gaming

<< Comment #280 @ 12:34 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Nxlimit

just... wow...

<< Comment #281 @ 12:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

mrkram

I heard Goldeneye and Pokemon are planned for next years WT.

<< Comment #306 @ 13:06 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

technics - Reply to #281

gotta catch em all!~ $$$$

<< Comment #286 @ 12:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

zer´

esports doing good

Edited by zx´ at 12:42 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #313 @ 13:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

M4ZzOnEw - Reply to #286

LOOOL

<< Comment #289 @ 12:41 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Naghokez

btw does the "world tour" include the cpl summer & the cpl winter? or could we see q3 and cs 1.6 there, possibly in big tournaments?

<< Comment #302 @ 13:00 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

HamstaHue

why did they actually drop CS? they must have really needed sierra

oh ye.. FEAR.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... hah..

<< Comment #304 @ 13:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Bluefoot

gg angel!

<< Comment #305 @ 13:05 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

technics

GIGGLEPOPS!!!!

<< Comment #394 @ 16:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

manic - Reply to #305

stfu south african :P

<< Comment #435 @ 18:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

technics - Reply to #394

HATER

<< Comment #311 @ 13:11 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

CLains

Carmac interview with Angel!?

2%

<< Comment #312 @ 13:15 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

mefajpE^ : - Reply to #311

seriously... for what? :-)

<< Comment #341 @ 14:10 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #312

to watch him bleed.. not because angel wanted this to happen, because he didn't, but because of the way it was handled..

Edited by CPLains at 23:05 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #560 @ 17:37 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

Carmac ' - Reply to #311

Maybe...? ;)

<< Comment #577 @ 19:04 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #560

hopefully then :) he has to come out and apologize in one form or another pretty soon..

<< Comment #314 @ 13:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

mammon :

Anyone seen Lords of Dogtown? ;)

<< Comment #405 @ 16:37 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

veal - Reply to #314

yes and thanks for the reminder guess it's time to watch it again.

<< Comment #315 @ 13:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

drdoom

if anyone needs an fear xbox champ, gimme a call :DD

<< Comment #316 @ 13:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Tek9|Davy

oh god ^_^

<< Comment #319 @ 13:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

danseko.dD

heh, well we see where the eSports money is going now.. right into shit games in the belief that people will just watch anything that's a game.

I really hope UT3 can become big but who knows.. will probably be boycotted by a lot of stubborn players I think.

<< Comment #329 @ 13:52 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR +++' - Reply to #319

quakewars ftw

<< Comment #332 @ 14:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

mammon : - Reply to #329

possibly, lets hope some of the work that went into making Q4 playable will be in right from the beginning

<< Comment #321 @ 13:38 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

trinion

lol

Edited by trinion at 13:39 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #333 @ 14:02 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Paracet

CPL should change their name. There is nothing professional about their tournaments anymore.

<< Comment #337 @ 14:07 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

deathinfire :

this is it? foff angel

<< Comment #338 @ 14:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Aquashark ++

no cooller quotes? damn you CPL :/

<< Comment #470 @ 04:20 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

ACiD. - Reply to #338

ye i want 'cooller says' about that too :D

kinda SIF

<< Comment #478 @ 06:20 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

manic - Reply to #338

"Fear is crap, I want keel"

<< Comment #340 @ 14:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Penn

Quake wars is round the corner, as is quakecon.

Quakecon 2007 and 2008;

q3 1v1
quake 4 1v1
quake wars 6v6
ET 6v6
RTCW 6v6

DO IT id, DO IT!

1%

<< Comment #342 @ 14:12 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Demiurge +:

LOL

<< Comment #443 @ 19:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

deathinfire : - Reply to #342

omg zombie yeltsin

<< Comment #553 @ 17:24 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

PureBaldness - Reply to #342

[-_-] Your head.

<< Comment #346 @ 14:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (207-250-154-251.static.twtelecom.net)

Question. Have any of you who have followed/been to CPL events ever see sponsor advertisement, for, say Intel Pentium 4 and decided "wow cool, pentium 4 must be good!" and then went out and bought it? Because that's really at the heart of why esports isn't going anywhere.

If you want an organized event with money, you need sponsors. Sponsors will only give you funds if there is a healthy market for advertisements. A small niche group of 1on1 quake players who've had all the hardware they'll ever need to play their game, and most of whom wouldn't be able to afford new hardware even if they wanted to (students/pro wonnabe slackers) are not such a market.

So you can "ROFL" (a mis-acronym for "angrily typing while frothing at the mouth") all you want at CPL, but they've been kicking the dead horse that is 1on1 FPS in its current form for almost a decade now. And fewer and fewer people care. The vast majority of the people who bought this now niche game don't care, let alone a wider non-gamer audience that we all once hoped for. It's not the CPL, or the WCG, or the WSVG or whoever else. It's the game, stupid.

<< Comment #354 @ 14:35 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Troll - Reply to #346

wow a caveman.

<< Comment #357 @ 14:44 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

MarzenGold ' - Reply to #346

Shut up idiot.

<< Comment #361 @ 14:48 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

kesaale - Reply to #346

Oh, poor CPL :(, they've been mistreated for so long.

<< Comment #431 @ 17:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

n2o - Reply to #346

Sponsership is based on spectatorship. Brand recognition and association is more important than product promotion. So people who have never had any interest or awareness in spec'ing pro-gaming are now going to be interested because they're leaving pc fps behind? RTS is going to bring an audience outside of S.Korea? That doesn't make sense. If it was just going to be niche, well they've lost that now. Plus, you can't call what a console player does "pro", I don't care what game it is. Joypads are for Mario.

<< Comment #455 @ 23:14 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #346

The cpl has still lied to its most hardcore followers and fans. people have probably been wasting hundreds of hours because of trust in the cpl; they let many people down regardless of whatever unfortunate issues they may have had with the "external" world. I can't see how they can justify this seeing how they didn't even inform the most hardcore of gamers that they were uncertain about whether or not they would fulfill their promise..

8%

<< Comment #460 @ 01:52 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR +++' - Reply to #455

well put

<< Comment #477 @ 06:19 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

gk_nz - Reply to #455

yeap, very well put...

<< Comment #483 @ 06:37 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

InDepther +++ - Reply to #455

change your name?

<< Comment #500 @ 08:15 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

Nicky - Reply to #483

CPL stole his initials so maybe they should change their name :x

<< Comment #531 @ 10:07 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #500

Finally i will be the true CPL! Muahahaha

<< Comment #534 @ 10:12 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

Nicky - Reply to #531

you are anyways they are mere wannabes

<< Comment #548 @ 17:02 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #534

<3<3

<< Comment #556 @ 17:27 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

PureBaldness - Reply to #531

:-) CEE PEE EL

<< Comment #576 @ 19:02 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #556

i nicked that once x)

<< Comment #532 @ 10:09 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #483

my name or my nick? :p

<< Comment #586 @ 01:27 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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InDepther +++ - Reply to #532

lol I just saw ur full name and u have to sue them :P

<< Comment #614 @ 12:12 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #586

I wasn't allowed to play in cpl tournaments with the nick CPL or CPLains, so i had to use CLains x)

<< Comment #348 @ 14:24 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

PooH

I was hoping for far cry :(

<< Comment #349 @ 14:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

sama

FUCK OFF.

I GOT THREE WORDS FOR YA, ANGEL:

U SOLD OUT

Edited by sama at 14:26 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #353 @ 14:33 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ZEN|ele

all about money : ( get 500k from sierra and play 2 gay sierra games zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz cpl sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #358 @ 14:46 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

kesaale

This fucking sucks. Wonder what the WT2008 games will be like.

<< Comment #359 @ 14:46 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

linoleuM |

that's the result of eSports growing too fast...

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<< Comment #367 @ 15:08 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Slasher : - Reply to #359

nah, just extremely poor business decisions on CPL's part

<< Comment #372 @ 15:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ini - Reply to #367

And other events are better?

Only ESWC retain somewhat of the spirit of the early scene, and even then it's not exactly intact.

<< Comment #360 @ 14:47 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

MarzenGold '

Boycott don't advertise any cpl news on esport sites, delete ur cpl accounts and what not. Time to fight back with pitchforks and cookies :)

<< Comment #362 @ 14:59 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fragmaster_ ++| - Reply to #360

mhhh cookies

<< Comment #363 @ 15:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Putton

haha guys :D some ppl will never understand the gaming business, especially the so called pro-gamers. it is just obvious that they'll pick some kind of these games. btw i lol'd about the q3 fanboys :D

<< Comment #368 @ 15:09 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Troll - Reply to #363

general gaming and esports, two different things

<< Comment #370 @ 15:12 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Putton - Reply to #368

agree

<< Comment #375 @ 15:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #368

General Gaming, e-Sports and Competitive Gaming.

Three seperate things :)

<< Comment #378 @ 15:20 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Troll - Reply to #375

yes indeed, looks like every esports organisation is trying to nail all three atm.

<< Comment #364 @ 15:01 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

DriverX

hah 2007 is really a year of esports...gtg now, i have to practice guitar hero

Edited by DriverX at 15:02 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #365 @ 15:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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doYdY

WTF?? no Carom3d ?!! :(

<< Comment #366 @ 15:04 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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crozZz

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<< Comment #369 @ 15:10 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fag with no name

Currency sign before the amount when talking about dollars.

Had to troll about something.

<< Comment #371 @ 15:13 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

fragmaster_ ++|

2007: Best year ever?

haha yeah, it really is!

<< Comment #374 @ 15:18 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Troll - Reply to #371

one day someone will plus that, and u know it!

<< Comment #376 @ 15:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #374

Thrilling stuff :)

<< Comment #379 @ 15:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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Troll - Reply to #376

dam i'm good.

<< Comment #524 @ 09:59 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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gSTRUCTOR +++' - Reply to #374

17:19 UYT 23 Apr 2007 ini 19%
Judged post: 2007: Best year ever? (2%) by Troll

<< Comment #380 @ 15:21 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

c1nd3r

Wow. Quake 3 just officially died.

This is fucked up. Someone start coding a freeware game like warsaw, except GOOD.

Like 4-5 supreme coders and 20 test players(with ideas) get together and code 1 game and have beta's and stuff for the community. Then get it mass produced. It would be the first online only company or some shit.

<< Comment #386 @ 15:46 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ini - Reply to #380

KURWA MAC

<< Comment #417 @ 16:55 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Mav_ - Reply to #386

lol, that's exactly what is on my mind right now

<< Comment #392 @ 15:59 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

swordSiege - Reply to #380

If a game could be coded by only 5 people I would be suprised. Is there even a free engine out there for use or would that have to be licensed?

<< Comment #406 @ 16:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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noctis +++| - Reply to #392

how about... the q3 engine ?:P

<< Comment #449 @ 20:25 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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G.I. Jonesy - Reply to #406

Exactly. If people get back to what made them love multiplayer gaming in the first place, maybe they could make something worth a damn. Look at CS... it was a mod. Make something 100x better (wouldn't be hard), for the q3 engine and maybe all the bullshit could end permanently.

Fuck the fuckface corporate model. What a pile of shit. Built for profit not for art or even quality. The contributions of self-anointed 'artists' continue to be shaped by greed.

Reminds me of the old joke where the guy tried to put his computer recycling bin in his computer recycling bin. He said, "Don't hate off-topic comments. It isn't like off-topic posters are Nazi's or anything. Besides, ask a psychologist why off-topic posting is irritating.".

<< Comment #621 @ 17:54 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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linoleuM | - Reply to #449

i'm sorry, not trying to defend CS too much, but for a free mod, it was amazingly well designed and produced (especially the animations)

<< Comment #411 @ 16:46 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #380

I just tried the Warsow engine for the first time and I kind of like it. It looks damn good imo. How about just trying to help/mod that engine and create a competitive environment around that?

<< Comment #418 @ 16:59 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #411

Well as time goes i think the dev team of warsow are hoping to make it better and better for competitive play :)

<< Comment #464 @ 03:27 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #418

It looks damned good anyway ^ ^ (imo) clear colors, clean surfaces,
exactly how most pro FPSers tweak their games to be.

<< Comment #382 @ 15:27 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Tectonic '

I have to comment on F.E.A.R.'s title.

What does it mean? First you Encounter and Assault some aliens, then you run around with binoculars and survey the area?

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<< Comment #383 @ 15:30 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Swing1oooK

lol whats the meaning of this, I thought eSport were in need for standards ? :(

<< Comment #393 @ 16:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

al-Muharib

beavers and ducks

<< Comment #396 @ 16:10 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

[teo]

omg pacman, tetris > fear, world in conflict...

<< Comment #397 @ 16:11 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

dreg

omg lol

<< Comment #398 @ 16:17 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

kingcrimson

I bet fatal1ty is going to start playing f.e.a.r professionally ... win this competition and release fatal1ty tampons :)

Edited by kingcrimson at 16:25 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #399 @ 16:23 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

draven-

bad.

<< Comment #404 @ 16:36 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

zine

No gtv to watch.. =(

<< Comment #407 @ 16:42 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Nicky

"which will debut in Verona, Italy on May 11-13"

"World in Conflict™, which launches later this year"

if the game (World in Conflic) launches later this year how can they be playing it at the first stop in May?

oh right so "We’re excited to be able to give CPL competitors the exclusive opportunity to see and play World in Conflict before it goes to market." ... so how can they practise

Edited by ESR|Nicky at 16:44 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #409 @ 16:44 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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MarzenGold ' - Reply to #407

I guess they did not drink some coffee Anan before that statement. :(

<< Comment #420 @ 17:00 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #407

Don't worry fatal1ty will find a way ;)

<< Comment #424 @ 17:14 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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ix +: - Reply to #407

In the brave new world of NoSkill-Esports players don't need to practice.

Infact the next step is to dispense with the smelly-but-skilled teenagers altogether and hire models to play the part of the players.

Edited by ix-ir at 17:15 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #522 @ 09:56 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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JeeFour - Reply to #407

if they release it, then ppl will practice the game. then they'll realize how similar it is to quake 4 out of the box, and then the CPL will have the same problem, which is ppl complaining the game sux. so if they don't release it and just have you show up and play, you can't say it sux.

simple logic.

<< Comment #408 @ 16:43 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

ANDYLOW

It's funny how a few money hungry jerks like Matt from WSVG and the people behind CGS can completely ruin something great (at least for us here in the States). I think CPL has mostly been forced into this situation through a combination of horrible business decisions and new rivals with loads of money, but they're still selling out nonetheless.

It's also funny how most of these organizations are "changing" to stay alive; it looks like the only organization that stayed true is ESWC and it keeps getting bigger and better.

Whats next? DDR? I bet a lot of old moms play solitare. Lets have a professional gaming tournament for that...

Edited by ANDYLOW at 16:45 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #410 @ 16:45 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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MarzenGold ' - Reply to #408

and Asus Russia :))))

<< Comment #412 @ 16:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #408

Well, "money hungry".. CPL needs money to survive.. and didn't get the right sponsors for this one. Probably because after the vote they were forced to use Q3, which is not interesting to the hardware companies at all, sadly.

<< Comment #434 @ 18:35 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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win - Reply to #408

They're gonna have the tutorial on during the finals. :) Hmm whats this unit.... never seen it before.. :)

Just omg, u cant be serious. If it was the wsvg... but the CPL ... cmon...

<< Comment #413 @ 16:51 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

TheGunSlinger

Truth is the CPL have LOST the battle and are now scrabbling around in the dirt merely trying to survive.

Sounds like each year they just whore themselves out to anyone with a chequebook and fuck the fans, this will come back and bite them in the arse - when Sierra realise they got bugger all out of this arrangement that cost 500k they will also tell Angel to stick it and he'll be on the search for the next one.

Soon they'll all be wise and he'll be out of business.

I have said right from the beginning that 'E-Sports' will NEVER be huge, tons of money will be chucked at it (as it has been) but ultimately it will fail as there is simply no return to Investors.

Fact is the public could give a shit about watching games on TV and that's not going to change.

What this reminds me of most is the dot com bubble of a decade ago, it's surviving purely on it's own hype and the funds of gullible investors and it will burst.

Fucking good job too, it was a better community when everyone was in it for fun.

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<< Comment #489 @ 07:08 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

ALonDonThinG - Reply to #413

spot on!

<< Comment #657 @ 12:12 CDT, 27 April 2007 >>

By

linoleuM | - Reply to #413

LOST! <3

<< Comment #416 @ 16:53 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

cbs

and after all those mousepads been used to play <3 QUAKE 3 <3, u do this to us

fu2

<< Comment #488 @ 07:04 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #416

Well tbh this newspost might as well have been "CPL goes out of business". As it says, they lost their hardware sponsor(s), not surprising since configed Q3 doesn't exactly show off hardware.

The Q3 vote probably almost killed CPL..

<< Comment #523 @ 09:58 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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JeeFour - Reply to #488

i think it the headline should've read "CPL blows $500,000 on pointless tourny that no one will watch."

<< Comment #528 @ 10:02 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #523

Let's hope it is a failure.. might convince some of these tourney arrangers they need to stick with proper games.

<< Comment #642 @ 05:07 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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JeeFour - Reply to #528

tbh, i think they won't flop, but will suffer attendence issues. let's face it people organizers aren't putting up xbox tournys b/c to attract hardcore gamers, they're attracting MORE gamers, which in the end results in more cash.

though that doesn't help esports now, it will help esports in the end.

<< Comment #419 @ 17:00 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

joo

this year is just the confirmation that esports is nothing more then a joke , and a bad one .

if u like gaming however u can always play qw, wsw, or whatever for the fun of it and competitive poker to make a couple of cents .

<< Comment #422 @ 17:03 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Murvel

Crap games deluxe, CPL is going down..

<< Comment #423 @ 17:11 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Venim +

i plussed this although this is absolutely terrible for esports and basically as bad as what the wsvg did except they're not the wsvg thankfully

<< Comment #426 @ 17:22 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Jazka

Q3 already was a stupid move in a way (out-of-date). This choice is just slightly more stupid than the q3 one but in an other way (out-of-legitimacy).

We can blame organizers, we can blame players to do too much micro-nationalism in esport but there is an obvious question to ask ourself : is any game not outdated, nor illegitimate for esport with a real competitives player and community basis available especially for FPS ?

I think not, or so few, and I think this is the main problem.

The solution should be a federation(s) with a paying contribution to be free and independent. The esport obviously can't be healthy with an economy only based on salesmen's sponsorship.

Edited by Jazka at 17:28 CDT, 23 April 2007

<< Comment #473 @ 04:53 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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pandachas - Reply to #426

Give warsow a chance : (

Seriously, it's free, runs on low-end systems (renderer has been updated recently) and still being worked on. The community might not be huge right now but tell me a 1v1-suited FPS game that has a huge community?

The difference between warsow and other FPS games 'on the market' right now is that warsow has POTENTIALLY a huge crowd. I can't see the q4 crowd quadrupling over night, nor the q3 one. I could see that happening if warsow gets backed by a few major tournaments, gets polished up (which would happen very quickly, imo, if the game received any kind of esports / commercial backing) and gets on the frontpage of popular websites (which it will surely do when it hits 1.0).

We have seen with both tremulous and urban terror the kind of player numbers that these free games can bring in. The problem is that they don't keep them - tremulous player levels, by my reckoning, are back to pre-digg levels. I think the same thing is happening with UT.

The same thing happened with warsow in the past, when it was on GIGA TV and ESR .. it had a very, very large community. For about a week. There are a number of reasons why the players didn't stay - but we are trying to address a number of these. Even so, the kind of support that being chosen for 'esports' competitions + backing would gave the game, I think it'd stand a better chance of keeping that crowd.

<< Comment #487 @ 06:58 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #473

Like I said earlier, I tried it and liked it. Tbh I kept playing it more than I had time for yesterday.. I hope this can become big.

<< Comment #490 @ 07:12 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

Carpio ++' - Reply to #473

Yepp Warsow is really good. Everybody should give it a try!

<< Comment #498 @ 08:11 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

fragmaster_ ++| - Reply to #490

i would if they'd finally do a port for the mac... loved it on my pc.

<< Comment #506 @ 08:37 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

vedic - Reply to #473

no keel model is reason enough not to play

<< Comment #588 @ 02:26 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

By

AngeLstyle - Reply to #473

You had me sold up until the ammo changes. I just couldn't stomach weak and strong ammos. I applaud trying new things, It just kind of ruined the fun for me.

<< Comment #427 @ 17:24 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

JocK

Why people plussed this shit news ?

<< Comment #428 @ 17:26 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Jazka - Reply to #427

because they loled

<< Comment #429 @ 17:29 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

JocK - Reply to #428

Tbh i dont lol, i cry ...

<< Comment #476 @ 06:09 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

becks - Reply to #427

for the effort?

<< Comment #430 @ 17:40 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

k8o

wow, I firstly thought "omg great CPL world tour with F.E.A.R!" (which is a great multi player competitive game btw if any of you guys decide to give it a chance, and is the best alternative for anyone not into quake or cs).

But then I noticed the competition was on the xbox . . better then nothing I guess? Won't Halo 3 be out then anyway? I mean if your gonna play a shooter on the xbox you may as well play one that's designed for it.

CPL could have really been successful with fear on the PC, as its now free and would encourage a lot of other people to try this great - but under-populated game out. Had to fuck it up though.

Still, could be worse, could be world of warcraft . . .

At this rate e-sports will be dead and buried by the end of the year.

<< Comment #433 @ 17:57 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

cbs - Reply to #430

its the worst anyway

for me any other shite game = wow = fear = whatsoever games which i would never play as i should train for a competition or so.

this is the end.

<< Comment #436 @ 18:47 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

gk_nz

rabble rabble rabble

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<< Comment #445 @ 19:44 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Badb0y +

what is rabble

<< Comment #456 @ 23:19 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #445

watch southpark..

<< Comment #463 @ 02:53 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

graumull - Reply to #456

spare me some change? :/

<< Comment #529 @ 10:07 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

CLains - Reply to #463

but i alraedy gaiv yuo :(

<< Comment #446 @ 19:49 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

PMS Missy

maybe this isn't the FULL list... (?)

<< Comment #447 @ 20:12 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

Demiurge +: - Reply to #446

HATH FAITH

<< Comment #453 @ 23:10 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

By

legion_alien

hmmm.. interesting reading all of the replies.

I am a huge quake fanboy.. but I guess I fail to understand how quake is the ONLY esport?

Its a shady business move by the CPL.. yes.. but they do have to run a business.. and although I am not a fan of Angel at all.. I see that having a tour at all.. is better then not having one.

BTW.. guitar hero is easily a legit esport.. .. shit.. almost any video game could be an esport.. you just have to make a sport of it.

We all got spoiled by the hard work of 'community' leaders that created all of the wonderful features that really helped q3 become the tops in esports.. and I think we all expect that new games have those same features....well

As a community we are still able to build on our own future.. especially since quake is moddable... (so less cry and more solutions please) but also..

we should demand that game developers start to pick up on the many clues out there.. MAKE YOUR F'ING GAMES MORE ESPORT FRIENDLY and you might actually make some money from all of the wonderful 'graphics' you spew out.

<< Comment #465 @ 03:36 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #453

Well said imo.. but one of the main observations I've made here, is that people would much rather stick with a game they know than adapt, and have a game fit for eSport...

Q3 community is particularly spoiled in this aspect.. you can see above a guy wants someone to make him a free game like warsow "only that doesn't suck"... Everyone knows from the minute he says that, this guy is completely impossible to please, and he wants it for free.

I'm a developer, and I personally couldn't imagine anything worse than making a game for the extremely spoiled Q3 community..

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<< Comment #479 @ 06:26 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #465

How exactly is Q3 community spoiled? You get spoiled when you are given something you dont deserve, Q3 community worked hard for years to make it the best game for players and spectators. If anything they are conscious and educated. Though I can see how it could be frightening for a developer to try to make a game for such audience. Kind of like a trying to lecture about something to a bunch of people, who all know as much or even more about the topic than you do.

Are you spoiled if you buy new computer and expect it to be better than your old one? Are you spoiled if you buy a new model of your car and expect even some of the design flaws to be fixed?

I think it's completely other way around, it's the developers who are spoiled because majority of consumers are very ignorant and dont know what to demand from the product.

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<< Comment #486 @ 06:52 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #479

Q3 community considers themselves the peak in the evolution of the Quake games and the fame these games had..

It'll be a flamewar if I discuss that. But tbh I think Q3, peaking at around 1 million unique names each month, should have had far more players if it was the "hit" many Q3 fanboys claim it to be.

They expect tournies and sponsors.. etc. People refuse to port to Q4 because "It doesn't feel right" or other habit-based things, even though the game has now been more tweaked to the community's wishes than any game I have ever seen.

Etc.

<< Comment #492 @ 07:26 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

ini - Reply to #486

People refuse to port to Quake4 because they think it sucks, why can't you accept that? Lots of us actually played it for the first year it was out and still didn't like it.

Quake3 players aren't under any illusion that it was a massive hit of the peak of evolution of quake gameplay however you can't really argue that it is now pretty much the peak when it comes to features (Although QW is certainly close/level too).

<< Comment #494 @ 07:38 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #492

Q3 players think Q4 sucks? Ahaa! So that's the reason. That's the final puzzle piece I needed, it had actually never occured to me that Q3 players think Q4 sucks, nobobdy ever mentioned that before!

Thanks ;) <3

The question you should ask yourself is, could the Q3 community EVER in any case accept a different FPS without thinking that it sucked? To be honest, I don't think so.

As for features, they come with player count, and time. Not the other way around.

Edited by danseko.dD at 07:45 CDT, 24 April 2007

<< Comment #495 @ 07:49 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

ini - Reply to #494

And the game hasn't been more tweaker to the communitys wishes to be honest, a few weapon changes and an increase in speed isn't all that much really.

The fact is most Q3 players dislike the engine in general (It's fucking terrible), the maps (Nearly all lending to long range rail wars), the weapons (e.g. The giant rockets/grenades, the bugged grenade bouncing, the NG/HB situation with both of them being worthless).

You seem to think that Q3 players only don't switch because they have an ego/habit. It's not true and the sooner you accept that and stop whining the better.

It is funny that you talk about the Q3 community thinking they deserve tournaments and of being spoilt, when you're defending Q4 all the time. Q4 has never reached at it's max Q3 lowest peak and yet the Q4 community seems to think it deserves tournaments and money over Q3? hmmmmmm.

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<< Comment #499 @ 08:14 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #495

Q4 has a tiny amount of players but it can get the hardware sponsors.

"The fact is most Q3 players dislike the engine in general (It's fucking terrible),"

lawl. the fact is that you don't realize what a horribly subjective statement that is, and you state it as truth...

FPS adaptability syndrome:
The things that are "slower" in the new game (in lack of a better word) annoy you, and the things that are "faster" make you seem like a poor player. Etc. In short: change is bad.

Tbh I'm not defending Q4 really, in all my posts my point has been that Q3 fans need to get off their high horse already, in stead of continuing to act like they're the center of the eSports universe.

It is after all a game people now play based on nostalgia and personal taste. In my opinion, since I happen to like fast games, sci fi settings and flashy colors, Q3 is a good game no doubt. But I don't see any future for it.

<< Comment #505 @ 08:36 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

User1067 - Reply to #499

Can you come up with a better reason to play a game than 'personal taste'?

<< Comment #509 @ 08:48 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

By

danseko.dD - Reply to #505

Read. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Q3's ability to be in the spotlight as an eSport game.

<< Comment #514 @ 09:11 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #509

Then why did you bring up Q3 players reluctance to move over to Q4? Everyone who wants to be a pro-gamer is already playing Q4. Why should the rest of us, who have no desire to get money out of gaming, do so too?
Why should we lower our standards, just so someone we dont know or care about could make some money?

I do think it's entertaining to find out who is the best player in a game that I like and to see them play it, and I support esports aslong as it enables me to entertain myself this way. If I now find, that esports does not support the games I like anymore, thus makeing it unentertaining to me, why should I support it in anyway?

<< Comment #515 @ 09:25 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #514

1. I am directing this at the people who want Q3 to be an eSport with pro gamers and tourneys (ref the article above ------^ ).

Everyone who plays it for fun, go right ahead, enjoy yourself, why would I meddle with that?! I love DM 1v1 FPSes myself, and if I meet someone in RL who say they play Q3 I become happy.

2. As for your personal opinion that Q4 is "a lower standard" well I've seen this exact same response a 1000 times with sequels. UT->UT2003, CnC: Generals -> CnC3, StarCraft -> WC3 and so on.

It depends on how long the old game has been there (Q2 -> Q3 went smoother since Q2 only existed for a short while), but the new game is usually NEVER considered better. Even at WC3 forums today the general opinion is still that StarCraft is a better game.

So if you want to live in a bubble and think that Q3 is actually scientifically / factually better than Q4 then by all means. Just don't expect me to believe it.

<< Comment #519 @ 09:40 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #515

I am one of those people who wants Q3 to be esports game and have pro-gamers, because it makes esports entertaining for me, as I explained in the later part of my post.

If I would be to play a game (Q4) that I found less enjoyable, than some other game (Q3), just because someone said I had to do it, or for example in fear of being labeled as fanboy, I would be 'lowering my standards'.

<< Comment #520 @ 09:51 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #519

Well, the question you need to ask yourself is whether you want to watch Q4, or Guitar Hero. Cause Guitar Hero is where eSports is going now. Which is the lower standard?

If the Q3 community can get a good eSports platform going again, without sponsor support, that is great, I would be happy to hear that, and would probably support it.

But I do not think that is ever going to happen, and I think it is the wrong angle to get FPSing back into eSports.

<< Comment #525 @ 09:59 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #520

I dont want to watch either of them. Like I said, if esports is only supporting games that I dont like, I'm going to find something completely different to entertain myself (and continue to play the games I enjoy the most).

<< Comment #527 @ 10:01 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #525

Good for you.

<< Comment #541 @ 15:20 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #525

He has anti-bullets-of-logic-armour mate :(

<< Comment #557 @ 17:30 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #541

I do have those bullets. However I didn't get much use for them in this debate.

<< Comment #559 @ 17:36 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #557

Maybe that's because you can't read

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<< Comment #561 @ 17:38 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #559

omg ZING! xD
Be patient, I'm sure your Q3-buddies will be here to [+] for you that gem of a comeback any time soon.

<< Comment #563 @ 17:39 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #561

Yes it is zing, because you didn't get what I was saying in that comment clearly otherwise your reply would have been totally different.

<< Comment #595 @ 05:56 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #563

ooh it is Zing, well in that case I guess you're right! Good one sir! xD

<< Comment #568 @ 17:46 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #561

FUCKING IDIOT FACE IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT MORON

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<< Comment #573 @ 18:36 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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dreg - Reply to #568

u made me lol [+]

<< Comment #596 @ 05:58 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #568

There's nothing like an all caps lock reply to make you feel you just won a discussion.

<< Comment #615 @ 12:16 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #596

*flame war

<< Comment #628 @ 03:31 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #615

Well I sure as hell didn't start it.

<< Comment #645 @ 13:17 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #628

there you're at it again! shame! :P

<< Comment #648 @ 14:21 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #645

;P

<< Comment #651 @ 01:12 CDT, 27 April 2007 >>

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luKrek - Reply to #628

not but you lost it

<< Comment #660 @ 19:45 CDT, 28 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #651

lost the flamewar, won the discussion
<3

<< Comment #507 @ 08:42 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #499

How is the engine comment subjective? Do you even know what subjective means?

<< Comment #508 @ 08:47 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #507

It means (roughly) based on personal opinion. Are you trying to tell me "[the Q4 engine] is fucking terrible" isn't personal opinion?

No reply necessary.

<< Comment #510 @ 08:49 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #508

In no way is that personal opinion.

<< Comment #513 @ 08:59 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #510

"the sky is blue" = fact
"something something is shit" = personal opinion

I meant it when I said no reply was necessary.

<< Comment #521 @ 09:51 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #513

If you were more educated on the problems with the engine, perhaps you would have the authority to say "No reply necessary." However, being that you're a complete idiot, perhaps you should actually try to play Q4/D3 and form a proper opinion. Also, stay in school.

<< Comment #526 @ 10:00 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #521

Yeah I'm sure a noob like Toxic, who states he likes Q4, must be completely uneducated to be able to enjoy this horribly flawed engine.

Or how was it.. he, and most of the other pros playing Q4, pwn you in Q4 *and* Q3 and know more about both games than you ever will in your lifetime? Feel free to "educate" me on just how you consider yourself superior to these players.

"do you know what subjective means"
"you are a complete idiot"
"form a proper opinion"

Ah. A slightly Q3 critical post which ended up with being flamed by some mindless fanboy who thinks he's smarter than anyone else. How could I have known? =OOO

I'd love to try to talk some sense into that thick skull of yours, but I have a discussion with a brick wall that I'd like to finish first.

Enjoy watching 3D billiards in WCG this year.

gg

Edited by danseko.dD at 10:06 CDT, 24 April 2007

<< Comment #536 @ 10:24 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #526

So you can't even formulate your own opinion and you assume that the opinions of people like Toxic (which you don't even KNOW) are in accordance with your statement, just because they play the game. The argument "OMG TOXIC SEZ SO IT MUZ BE RITE" is about the most moronic thing I have read on this site to date.

<< Comment #551 @ 17:12 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #536

"the most moronic thing I have read on this site"

I thought I had a reply to this and then I saw this impressive, unbeatable argument.. and I just had to give up. :<

Edited by danseko.dD at 17:12 CDT, 24 April 2007

<< Comment #646 @ 14:02 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #551

He is actually right. You seem like a guy heavly spoiled by the "esports thing". How on earth someone like Toxic, doing a crapload of money playing Quake4, would say: "I don't enjoy playing Q4, training its a torture" etc? He just adapted very well to the game, since his stile fits on it, and you when start doing money, you start winning. As a consequence, you end liking the game, even if quality wise its a mediocre product.

Simple as that, dont lie to yourself.

<< Comment #653 @ 10:50 CDT, 27 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #646

"mediocre product"? Can i quote you on that? :P

<< Comment #544 @ 16:28 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #499

lawl. the fact is that you don't realize what a horribly subjective statement that is, and you state it as truth..

How the hell can you call it subjective? I mean, when you have the likes of arqon, anthonyj and even sync (i think) pretty much state the engine is/was terrible you know something is wrong

<< Comment #550 @ 17:11 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #544

rofl. This is maybe the best one yet. You Q3 guys are just too funny. Ohh since THEY say the Q4 engine flawed, then of course, it must be a Fact(c)(tm)! Can't be discussed then!

And.. what is flawed with it exactly, in it's current state? I'm curious! Is there 3.6667ms unwanted delay on the RL projectile? Is there something about strafejumping that only gives you 99.637% of the speed you should've had in Q3? It has to be something significant like that, I'm sure!

Even though I, being pretty experienced within FPSing, have played it and found it both working and fun, I'm sure I've just coincidentally closed my eyes right when all the "flaws" happened.

"Flawed engine" = if you look at Q4 through a Q3 microscope I'm sure it's very "flawed"....

Yeah, these responses definitely proved me wrong on Q3 fanboys being stubborn and picky....

Edited by danseko.dD at 17:13 CDT, 24 April 2007

<< Comment #554 @ 17:24 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #550

You're talking about game code, not engine code.

<< Comment #558 @ 17:35 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #554

Ok, sure. Mind telling me what's wrong with it then? Based on your posts it should be DAMNED significant and have a negative impact on gameplay/fun.

Oh, and if it's these kind of small details that are only noticeable to old Q3 players, then I'm sorry, that does not count as significant.

<< Comment #565 @ 17:44 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #558

And actually how on earth can you argue that if someone doesn't notice it, then it isn't significant?

Consoles used to play some games at 30fps, if Quake4 suddenly had 30fps but only old q4/q3 players noticed it would that count as insignificant? No it wouldn't.

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<< Comment #593 @ 05:47 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #565

Good comparison. Only point your missing is that a difference between 30 and 60-70 fps is 50%, and quite significant, even my grandmother would see the difference.

I'm not a console player.. I whave played FPSes as a "hobby" clanlevel for 7 years.. if there were even remotely significant flaws I would know about them.

<< Comment #602 @ 07:03 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #593

Well the difference between the Q4/Q3 sound,network code is massive and Q3 has twice the fps (Actually it has way more than that too) than Q4.

<< Comment #633 @ 03:57 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #602

The FPS you have at Q3 now is not the FPS you had at Q3 when you first bought it... still you tolerated it. I just have to repeat myself, I'm a pretty damned picky gamer, and Q4 passes my filter without any problems. It is dead though.

<< Comment #637 @ 04:04 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #633

Actually I did have high FPS when I first got Q3.

Also I wouldn't describe you as a picky gamer if you can't see the problems with the Q4 engine.

Edited by ini at 04:05 CDT, 26 April 2007

<< Comment #654 @ 10:51 CDT, 27 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #637

dman you, I had like 15 when I walked around that q3 demo.

<< Comment #655 @ 11:05 CDT, 27 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #654

We'd got a bran new basically top of the range pc when it came out. Previously we had a p75 8mb ram :D.

Of course we had the graphics turned up super high and therefore we probably didn't get the as high as fps as possible :o

<< Comment #662 @ 19:53 CDT, 28 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #655

No you aren't a nostalgia freak at all are you ;p

I know exactly how you feel though.. Unreal Tournament <3

<< Comment #664 @ 20:22 CDT, 28 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #662

Well considering I stopped playing q3 like a month or so later (didn't have internet/didn't care).

<< Comment #671 @ 16:45 CDT, 1 May 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #664

k =/

<< Comment #652 @ 01:16 CDT, 27 April 2007 >>

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luKrek - Reply to #593

"Only point your missing is that a difference between 30 and 60-70 fps is 50%"

No, it's a 100% FPS boost.

<< Comment #658 @ 10:14 CDT, 28 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #652

nah, it's both.

<< Comment #663 @ 19:56 CDT, 28 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #652

I don't think mathematics is your strongest point...

Anyway my point was that the percentage difference he referred to was very noticeable, whereas the kind of details Q4 haters talk about, are minute and usually only noticeable for Q3 players.

Thus your claim of 100% just emphasized my point ;P

<< Comment #579 @ 20:15 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #558

Q4 bug threads ftw?

<< Comment #562 @ 17:38 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #550

Sound bugs, Netcode is poor, Engine is inefficient with the graphics. Lots of bugs.

<< Comment #594 @ 05:55 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #562

Never experienced sound bugs, the game flows without frame drops on my comp, netcode is poor = how? Lag? PL? Spikes?
Bullshit tbh.
Sure, Q3 is and will always be the only good FPS that can ever be, live in your dreamworld mate.

Edited by danseko.dD at 05:55 CDT, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #604 @ 07:06 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #594

It's not the only good fps but it probably won't be beaten in the future giving the total ass raping of the FPS genre by publishers.

<< Comment #632 @ 03:54 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #604

There are two factors, one is this simple attitude from developers you refer to. This is true. "We just wanna make console games" and "FPS gamers are simple people who like things that go BOOOM".

The other factor is I think most of you Q3 guys' blind zone. That adapting to a similar game after playing another for many years, is hard and annoying.

I know that I at least felt that when UT2004 came along after I had played UT for 4 years. UT2004 was a REAL assrape, complete change in movement, adding vehicles, ugly graphics and so on. In comparison, believe me, Q4 is VERY similar to it's predecessor.

<< Comment #636 @ 04:03 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #632

I know how similar Q4 is to Q3, I played it for its first year exclusively. I had more than just adapted to Q4, when I returned to Q3 I was trying to crouchslide, I couldn't aim because I was so used to Q4 models/netcode, I switched weapons slower, I couldn't tell where sounds were coming from (I had openal in q4 suckers!) etcetc.

I just wait for it, didn't like it. The same can pretty much go for the majority of Q3 players. It's not that they are blind, it's that they know what they like/want.

<< Comment #641 @ 04:13 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #636

How many years have you played Q3? Was it your first major FPS experience? Speaking for myself, there was no way I could be neutral and objective around UT, my first "real" FPS. I found that out when I tried making an UT mod for UT2004 and saw it was impossible to tune it exactly as I wanted it.

Edit:
I understand your concerns but I don't think that qualifies Q4 as a shit FPS, or an inferior FPS. The sound probs is just a rule of the game, your opponent has the same "problem" (I never had problems guessing where players were in Q4 though)

The main prob with Q4 for me was those launch problems that completely wiped out it's chances of ever having a casual gamer base..

Edited by danseko.dD at 04:19 CDT, 26 April 2007

<< Comment #643 @ 06:47 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #641

Well I've had q3 since release and while I have no idea if it did make 125fps I'm pretty sure the pc had more than 60 (Not that is even a good reason for the engine to be fucking awful performance wise, UE has also run better performance wise).

Also you're pretty much missing the point, it's not about whether Q4 is good or shit it's about why Q3 players don't like it.

<< Comment #644 @ 07:08 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #643

Well you can't blame me for misunderstanding that point when almost every post about that subject has more or less said Q4 sucks, Q4 is shit, the engine is shit/sucks and so on. ;P

<< Comment #503 @ 08:29 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #494

The question you should ask yourself is; why should players of any game change to a product that they find less entertaining than the one they are playing at the moment?

The 'habit' only dictates that the players are not going to start playing games that they feel are the same or even worse (in case or Q3-Q4) than the one they are already playing. It needs to be better than the previous product, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, as it forces companys to develop products that actually have some real value, othen than creating monetary transactions.

And I think you have been skipping your economy classes, if you think it works so, that you get customers first and then worry about makeing a good product.

<< Comment #512 @ 08:57 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #503

"The question you should ask yourself is; why should players of any game change to a product that they find less entertaining than the one they are playing at the moment?"

Heh, I never said every Q3 player should go to Q4. But the way Q4 has been received has been with venomous contempt and almost boycott-like attitudes that only fanboys can do. However of course, Raven is to blame for a lot of the problems.

"And I think you have been skipping your economy classes, if you think it works so, that you get customers first and then worry about makeing a good product."

You mean every single game developer out there have been skipping their economy classes? Because what you are describing, is what almost every game company is doing now.

<< Comment #517 @ 09:25 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #512

You mean every single game developer out there have been skipping their economy classes? Because what you are describing, is what almost every game company is doing now.

And you think it's ok for them to do it, as you object the Q3 communitys unwillingness to go along with that and even to fight against it?

I think our conversation is coming to an end and the circle is closing as I get to quote myself from my very first reply to you that started it;

I think it's completely other way around, it's the developers who are spoiled because majority of consumers are very ignorant and dont know what to demand from the product.

<< Comment #518 @ 09:35 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #517

"I think it's completely other way around, it's the developers who are spoiled because majority of consumers are very ignorant and dont know what to demand from the product."

well I agree completely with this, believe me.. console games are the obvious example. However what I am discussing here, is whether 1v1 DM FPSes will ever become big eSports again. To do that you either need to have a game that looks good while promoting hardware, or a huge player count.

<< Comment #511 @ 08:49 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Tidus - Reply to #453

"we should demand that game developers start to pick up on the many clues out there.. MAKE YOUR F'ING GAMES MORE ESPORT FRIENDLY and you might actually make some money from all of the wonderful 'graphics' you spew out."

They already make money from all the wonderful graphics they spew out without having to listen to esport people. Esport is only a very little part of the video game industry, and as long as it doesnt get much more interest than from the few hardcore gamers in the esport community, they dont have many reasons to bother with esport friendly features.

Videogames editor dont do games just for the sake of it, that was 20+ years ago, now they are in it for the money, if esport dont bring them anything else than a constant whine whenever something is not quake or cs, they wont give a damn about esport.

Redeye's comment was spot on tbh. "they dont want to have to deal with the pro clans and their unrealistic demands"

<< Comment #457 @ 23:39 CDT, 23 April 2007 >>

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G.I. Jonesy

I wonder if anyone working for the CPL has tried doing something like listening to Chopin while taking in a Van Gogh during the third hour of a mushroom trip.

It's enough to bring tears to your eyes. But do corporations care?

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<< Comment #616 @ 12:38 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #457

lol, i get that by opening my eyes ez ^^

<< Comment #466 @ 03:41 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Bsr

*Liars ;o

<< Comment #471 @ 04:34 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Lethe ++'

i wouldnt care if it wasnt for "HEY I'M ANGEL, I RESPECT THE COMMUNITY, WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR THE WT OH YOU WANT Q3 OK THAT WILL BE THE GAME" shit part.

but this is bs.

<< Comment #472 @ 04:49 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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garz ++:

it's arqons fault!!! he didn't want to give us 125fps movement! :>

<< Comment #480 @ 06:28 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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cribba '

and lolz!

cpm please :D... no?, fuck.

<< Comment #481 @ 06:36 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Fakeeye

lame decision - Angel shame on You !!!

<< Comment #482 @ 06:36 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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gk_nz

And so it would seem that guy from CEVO was right.... he is a cunt and it would seem Angel is an asshole.

So what do we do!? Well we need someone who is a dick, why? Dicks fuck cunts and dicks fuck assholes..

<< Comment #485 @ 06:51 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (84-104-34-25.cable.quicknet.nl)

rip Q3 legenda4ever much love

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<< Comment #491 @ 07:19 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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[mash] '

i can't believe this crazy shit.

<< Comment #496 @ 07:51 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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DasBok

I guess its time I uninstalled Quake 3 from my computer then, Quake4 and UT2k4 are already loaded.

Looks like no seirous tournaments I can enter this year, so might as well try winning some money in the UT2k4 FFA comps at local LANs.

<< Comment #540 @ 15:13 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #496

How about Guitar Hero?

<< Comment #571 @ 18:24 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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DasBok - Reply to #540

I wanted a challenge. Wonder if CPL will have a Solitaire at the Aus stop?

<< Comment #497 @ 07:57 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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c1nd3r

First.. since Arqon was 'hired' for cpl to make vq3 good in his cpma mod, and now it seems CPL wont be using his q3 anymore. He shouldn't have that cork in his ass anymore.

Can we get him to add a vote for OSP type movement in a new cpma patch?

I mean, i REALLY atleast want the euros in their monthly competitions to use CPMA instead of osp now. It's just a division of the community for NO REASON. And quake 3 will be getting quite small now, so it will harm us hard to keep osp/cpma players seperate.

Next. Warsow sucks. I don't find it fun to play at all. I played cpm a long time ago, aswell as quakeworld. And both of them were really hard for new players to pickup and play.

But q3 vq3 and q2 were easier and more fun to just pickup and play.

I think a new game needs to pickup Q3 VQ3 movement, but just add Q2 double jumps. And have q2 like 1v1 maps.

That would be quite fun and simple.

Oh... one thing.. in ctf have (a useful) grapple like in q1 :)

<< Comment #501 @ 08:17 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #497

I agree Warsow could've been easier to pick up no doubt.. especially the movement.

Other than that it has to be said Q3 right now is NOT easy to pick up. Good luck coming into Q3 as an FPS noob at this point, 7-8 years after release..

<< Comment #516 @ 09:25 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (athedsl-192522.home.otenet.gr) - Reply to #501

I agree

<< Comment #545 @ 16:35 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #501

such a stupid argument, if WSW was picked right away you have that very problem, the community will flock over and voila newb rape all round. you all seen what Vo0 did right off the bat, there were others also that were 'high skilled' yet were pretty much medicore or less in Q3.

games with 'quake' like gameplay need years of practice to catch up, it doesn't matter what type of game, the only time this doesn't seem the case if when you're going from one game to another with experience or the other game is dumbed down. newbies are still going to get raped regardless of how fresh a game is.

CS stands out here, it's so very basic for one person (hence so many publics) yet as a team game it's a totally different ball game, that's what you need, and is something duel based FPS games of any competetive nature (read: what your medicore quake player will enjoy) will never have.

<< Comment #552 @ 17:19 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #545

"such a stupid argument". Another Q3 fanboy master-debater starts his reply with a flame. Couldn't you at least have said something catchy or interesting to flame me in stead of this tame bs?

It's pretty obvious that a game where the players have an average of 5-6 years playtime it is more difficult to climb to the top than in a game with less playtime...

<< Comment #564 @ 17:42 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #552

Erm he is saying that the 5-6 years of Q3 wouldn't matter as the "pros" would switch over to WSW and instantly start raping anyway.

<< Comment #569 @ 17:47 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #564

yeah too bad he is too fucking thick

<< Comment #601 @ 06:26 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #569

Yeah, RAAAGE-boy, compared to me you seem like Einstein

Edited by danseko.dD at 06:35 CDT, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #611 @ 10:52 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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Disrepute : - Reply to #601

Literally

<< Comment #600 @ 06:16 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #564

"Erm", I was saying:

- Q3 is hard to excel in at this point for anyone but experienced Q3 players, whereas WSW, for instance, would be more open to top players from all gaming platforms - much like what [aAa]WinZ (UT2004) did in Q4 at ESWC last year.

New games breathe fresh air into the competitive environment.

- I'm also saying that in the "beginning" of a game, noobs have more of a shot on publics than on an old game.

Casual players usually make up 90% of a game's player mass and how noobs thrive is quite significant for whether a game can "go big".

Edited by danseko.dD at 06:23 CDT, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #603 @ 07:04 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #600

That worked with Q4? no it didn't.

<< Comment #626 @ 03:29 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #603

We're discussing Warsow.

<< Comment #627 @ 03:31 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #626

It's called a comparison.

Did that situation happen with Painkiller?
No
Did that situation happen with Quake4?
No

So what makes you think it would happen with Warsow?

<< Comment #630 @ 03:43 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #627

By the way it is a massive myth that you cannot get to the top at a game like Q3, if you have the will, you'll make it.

This is because you don't have to work out everything for yourself like the original players need, you need only build upon it (If there is room to build upon, if there isn't then you can still match them). There are literally thousands of demos out there showing exactly how to aim, move, control, what to do in situation X, Y, Z.

<< Comment #635 @ 04:00 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #630

I know what you mean. But when you play in a new game you can be a part of making creative solutions and doing things for the first time, making "new frags" for the first time and so on.

In Q3, every player knows every corner of the map already, and everything you do has been done before a 1000 times.

I bought and installed Q3 after Q4 (!) in hope of finding a new platform there, but first of all Q3 didn't strike me as any better, and secondly, I got owned without getting that motivation to become better (which I usually get).

<< Comment #638 @ 04:06 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #635

So you prefer Q4 over Q3 because you got owned and knew Q4.

Wow you're prooving me wrong that's for sure!

<< Comment #640 @ 04:10 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #638

I got owned in both games (of course..), but Q4 felt fresh, it developed from day to day, and that kept me motivated to become better.

<< Comment #647 @ 14:11 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #640

It developed from day to day because the game came in alpha status, which is no good.

<< Comment #631 @ 03:46 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #627

There are many games out there who have handled maintaining a noob scene despite "pros" rushing in. CS:S, WC3, CnC3, to mention a few games I know very well.

You can't predict how this will develop from game to game, ie whether a new game will support a noob scene. WSW is a free project, and not graphics based, it keeps developing, it could have many chances.

And Q4, while it is of course dead as a dodo at this point, could be able to support a casual gamer scene in its current form (with server download).

This "the pros will always rush in and kill it"-argument isn't valid for every situation. One thing is for sure, old/known gaming platforms like Q3 very rarely draw new players to them.

<< Comment #634 @ 04:00 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #631

The examples you gave maintain a "noob" scene for many reasons, non of them being "free" or "not graphics based".

Any DM game will either be A) Dead with only "pro's" B) Dominated by the old "pro's" anyway or C) Insanely newbified so that only "noobs" play it anyway (e.g. Halo2, FEAR).

Why is CS/CS:S able to maintain such a big community, well it starts with this well known fact it was a originally a mod for quite literally the most successful PC FPS of its time. Half-Life not only got attention given to it with many game of the year awards and what not but it also had large portions of magazines devoted to the mod scene surrounding it, this helped people get into CS a lot. Then we had steam the auto-updating community interaction/server browser making it pretty easy to just jump in with your mates etc.

Then came Half-Life 2 (read most hyped up FPS in the history of PC FPS games), it had a similar situation as Half-Life did originally except it had the added boost of having almost the entire gaming world knowing about Half-Life and Counter-Strike. (And we haven't even touched on the flat learning curve)

WC3, Hi battle.net. This has to be one of the most amazing community/server systems a game could want currently (Way better than Steam)

CnC3, wasn't that just released? hardly a good example was it.

WSW, Q4 nor Q3 has any of that going for it. In fact DM games in general are portrayed as being simple minded "every once in a while fun for 30mins" games to the general gaming public and Q4 was hardly a triple A hit (Like HL1/2, WC3)

<< Comment #639 @ 04:08 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #634

Of course, CS:S got a huge help from being a CS/HL2-based game, as did all of the other games I mentioned.

However keeping the noob base can be done in different ways:

1) so called "fun" mods and configurations
2) team-based play as default (ref CS)
3) shorter games as default
4) ratings that keep dedicated players away from casual players

Warsow (not that I'm in love with it, but..) unlike the commercial titles which have one chance at the release, has new people dripping in all the time. If Warsow ever starts keeping the player base, the game will start growing.

That's one of the main ways it is different from other games. The other (significant) way it is different, is by having a neutral/timeless graphics engine that doesn't reveal when it's from.

I don't know about Warsow, but I think it has more of a potential for a future than Q3 (despite Q3 being the clearly better game at this point).

<< Comment #672 @ 07:53 CDT, 2 May 2007 >>

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Anonymous (zdvkr2-25.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) - Reply to #639

the argument with the fresh game is easier to start is true but still
many people start games which are palyed for many many years poker ? ...
in the end the better game wins
q3 ftw

<< Comment #674 @ 08:14 CDT, 2 May 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #672

q3 = very nice and not to mention >> CS >> CoD >> etc

but slowly dying =(

which isn't cool for those of us who like a bit more hustle and bustle around the games we follow.

<< Comment #566 @ 17:46 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #552

jesus, you fucking stupid scandi cunt

where the fuck do i specficily apply it to quake 3? eh? fucking idiot. WAY TO MISS MY POINT TOTALLY

do you really think to god, a newbie is going to stand any chance at all when 'pro' gamers flock from the likes of QW/Q3/Q4/UT to something like WSW because the CPL have picked it up? no they wont, not at all. there may be more newbies playing but it wont make a difference in the slightest.

notice the tone of my post? much more 'flame' I wasn't flaming your other post, just stating the truth, the newbie argument is stupid when talking about 'pro gaming'

you're so twatting deluded, join the jamerio club.

<< Comment #567 @ 17:46 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #566

RAAAAAAAAAGE

<< Comment #578 @ 19:14 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #567

so cute when you're angry

<< Comment #581 @ 22:12 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #578

E WARRIOR!!!

3%

<< Comment #582 @ 22:13 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #581

hahaha :D:D <3

<< Comment #599 @ 06:07 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #581

CAPS LOCK (c)(tm) - when you can't win by brains alone!

<< Comment #617 @ 12:40 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #599

hot (heart) is the new cool (calculating) mate, haven't you heard?

<< Comment #598 @ 06:06 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #567

HAHA "RAAAGE" THATS SO COOL, UR LIEK TOLY NU METAL, KEK :D :D :D

[-].

Edited by danseko.dD at 06:39 CDT, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #597 @ 06:05 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #566

ooh tough on the intarweb are we?
6/10 - It would be a bit more scary if you didn't sound like a 6-year old.

Btw, it isn't spelled "specficily", it's "SPE-CI-FI-CAL-LY". Don't worry, I put it in CAPS LOCK so you would understand it. Gotta be sad to be a UK citizen and be owned at english by a "scandi cunt".

And as for what we're "discussing" (..), I'm a 100% sure a new game makes it easier for a bigger amount of people to excel at it or enjoy on public servers.

Example could be [aAa]Winz who won Q4 @ ESWC'06, UT2004 player. Don't think he could've done that in Q3.

And I don't give a flying shit if your "POINT WASN'T DIRECTED AT Q3 SPECIFICALLY". You replied to my statement. My point was about Q3 being harder to excel at at all levels, from noob to pro, because it is so old.

Edited by danseko.dD at 06:42 CDT, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #605 @ 07:09 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #597

winz used to play Q3 and was above average, he moved to UT2k4 and was able to gain experience then when he played Q4 he had improved drastically.

Same goes for stermy, he was an above average Q3 player, moved onto painkiller, developed and is now a top Q4 player.

I have no doubt had they stayed playing Q3 and had the drive they would have become top tier players there too.

<< Comment #649 @ 14:56 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #597

You are talking like if the differences between Q4 from Q3 (from a gameplay perspective) are so sophisticated and complex that would require another 7 years to master.
You have the SAME odds of becoming a competent player on BOTH games if you are a noob that never played a fast paced DM game.

Q4 being a "new" game its the thing that play tricks on some people's mind, and make they believe they have more opportunities of winning some big event. Complete BS. This demonstrates by looking at who the best players are (all of those have a Quake background). You'll have to train your ass off on BOTH the same ammount of hours to win.

If you want to go easy, you have this new CPL.

<< Comment #583 @ 23:09 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #501

you think warsow movement is easier than q3?
rofl

OK.

<< Comment #587 @ 02:11 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #583

HELLO I CAN'T READ TO SAVE MY FUCKING LIFE

jesus

<< Comment #590 @ 04:28 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #587

didn't get your post but I was pretty much calling the scandi guy silly :x

<< Comment #592 @ 05:42 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #583

Nah.
My point was that movement was slightly too complex in Warsow, which made it harder to pick up ;P

<< Comment #555 @ 17:26 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #497

Warsow doesn't suck just because you suck at it.
learn to bunnyhop!

<< Comment #575 @ 19:02 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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c1nd3r - Reply to #555

It sucks because i don't want to learn bunnyhopping. Bunny hopping is only fun in q1, since you can do so many nice combos with the faster rl than in cpm, where you need to slow down to actually shoot most rails, or pause and fire the lg.. Warsow takes after cpm this way, and its boring and just not fun.

It's just not fun to pickup and play. Q3 vq3 is fun, thats why the ffa/ctf for BASEq3 servers are still packed 20/20 and so forth. And q2s movement and maps were quite fun. The only thing that brought it down were the horrid models and weapons.

I think the ultimate quake game would:

Quake 4: MG, Multiple areans for 1v1 on servers.

Quake 3: Engine, commands, tweak ability, CPMA type customization, Gauntlet, Plasma

Quake 2: Movement (if it is the same ups as q3, if not adjust for it)
Chaingun (works like q3 lg, except diff view) RAILGUN (YES I KNOW ITS LAGGY, IT MEANS SKILL)

Quake 1: Rockets, SHAFT, DBL SHOTGUN, Grenades, GOTHIC THEME(fuck the futureistic shit)

Edited by c1nd3r at 19:03 CDT, 24 April 2007

<< Comment #584 @ 00:27 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #575

don't tell me Warsow movement isn't n00b friendly, nigga pls.
it has elements from many popular DM games ffs:
- strafe jumping
- bunnyhopping (easier than in QW since you can press dash and instantly some gain speed for doing it)
- dodging + wall climbing
- double jumping

so it offers a good starting point for every QW/CPM/VQ3/Q2 player out there (sorry CS kids :D). it is really a great concept and brings some novelty to the tired DM gameplay. i'm sorry if you fail to see that..

(and VQ3 is the most boring Quake thing out there)

<< Comment #606 @ 08:06 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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c1nd3r - Reply to #584

Well, if you suck at vq3, you will say its boring. =/

I've been semi-good in all 4 quakes. I HATE playing quakeworld versus absolute movement pros. I HATE playing quake 2 versus rail and chaingun whores. I Hate quake 4 and CPM for the same reasons. Movement in CPM is hardly fun, its worse than quakeworld. And q4 is mostly aim.

I find the balance in quake 3 vq3 tourney, to be the best. I just hate how theres only 5 maps people play.

I've tried many, many fps games, from Catacomb abyss, wolf 3d, E.T, doom, to F.E.A.R, BF2, CS, Halo..

They aren't as fun as the Quakes. So i think if we combine the best of each quake, we will get a supreme game that will last forever and be amazing. (see my other post for which elements to take)

<< Comment #607 @ 08:56 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #606

sorry for replying to you.
it occured to me that you're retarded.
in this regard don't try to understand what i've said or anything others say.
you are right, always & ever!

kthxbye

Edited by Aquashark at 08:58 CDT, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #610 @ 09:46 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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c1nd3r - Reply to #607

Thank you. I know i'm always right.

<< Comment #530 @ 10:07 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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gSTRUCTOR +++'

Many posters are wrong, esports is a viable market, too bad the first big organization (CPL) has taken bad decisions year by year, and that obviously has damaged esports as a whole, but i repeat problem isnt esports, problem are amateur organizations trying to be professional just by having a P in their acronym.

<< Comment #570 @ 17:53 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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TheGunSlinger - Reply to #530

E-Sports will crash and burn, there is no return for investment unless you're in Korea (but they're nuts anyway).

<< Comment #618 @ 12:47 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #530

Enlighten us on your alternative genius solutions then? :)

<< Comment #624 @ 00:20 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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gSTRUCTOR +++' - Reply to #618

Growing slow like anything new, dont damage what youve already achieved by selling your soul to have your kiddy dream of a "World Tour" before its time. Esports are a viable market, but there are rules you have to follow in any market and one very important is to respect youre source of prime matter, in this case the playerbase. For example hardcore players are respected by pc users, many will ask them what they should buy to have a powerful system. For example whenever somebody asks me about a motherboard i answer Asus, if they ask me for a soundcard i wont answer Sound Blaster. Get it? and its just one side of the story.

To make it short, sometimes the wrong person is in the wrong place at the wrong time and things looks fucked up for years to come, but esports will be big shit in some years, its inevitable.

<< Comment #625 @ 01:05 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #624

Yup, mostly agree - but one issue i'm not quite sure about. Whether or not it had made a difference in relation to the games we enjoy.

You bring up the issue of respecting the hardcore community; and sure, we are the hardcore players, but there seems to be more to that story. We seem to be more accurately described as the leftovers of a thriving community that is now dying than as anything else.

The cpl could have moved slowly with q3 all the way, perhaps having a pretty solid tour this year subsequent to several fictional tournament's in the past years after q3 was in reality dropped. But what i'm wondering is whether it had made a difference.

I can see that people didn't enjoy painkiller competitively - but i think there's more to that story as well: I think the genre, fast paced online fps deathmatch, was already dead by the time painkiller showed up. People had started to play other kinds of games, the stage was set for games like world of warcraft to captivate millions. Already there was merely lingering leftovers of q3's highlight years, and even those years seem petty and insignificant compared to the amount of players that had been, and especially now are, popping up in other new games.

We have been on a steady decline in terms of our game-style, it seems not to be able to make it past the technological advance. There are other more fun things to do now with the technology we have - people aren't buying into our fascination with this style.

I think that, more than anything else, the cause of this demise in terms of our style is; not the bad individual decisions that were made, not the internal quarrels nor the whine, hostility and childishness of the community, but the rise of a new generation of players, a new generation that loathes what we praise - a whole sea of people that see nothing whatsoever divine in our epitome; Quake.

<< Comment #629 @ 03:33 CDT, 26 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #624

ASUS ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

Best computer company to be honest (Also sponsor q3!!! so it's like win-win)

<< Comment #533 @ 10:10 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p54888f07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

Well Quake-like-movement is really kinda hard to learn for new players. I guess thats a main reason that only a very small percentage of starters stay with these games. As far as i know the next warsow release will try to make the movement much more accessible to starters. It will contain some movement-tutorials as well as a defrag-like-function to display what keys a spectated player (demos and live) presses.

<< Comment #535 @ 10:13 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Bsr

2007 reads like a bad novel.

<< Comment #659 @ 12:13 CDT, 28 April 2007 >>

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CLains - Reply to #535

lol

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crozZz

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<< Comment #539 @ 13:02 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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CaFe

You see the companies NOW-A-DAYS are looking for people with really low standards, so that they can effectively peddle their garbage products to them. THANKS FOR THE WAKE UP CALL REDEYE YOU SAVED MY LIFE DAWG

<< Comment #542 @ 15:29 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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: vise :

good luck in your next business endeavor Angel, you failed miserably here with the CPL.

but at least you made your money, and got out quick, right? at least you were honest to people while you made your money, which is really what counts in life.

<< Comment #546 @ 16:36 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #542

i think he made his money long ago

<< Comment #670 @ 14:41 CDT, 30 April 2007 >>

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: vise : - Reply to #546

you are a mental giant

<< Comment #547 @ 16:53 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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murph

FEAR IS A CRAP GAME! NOT EVEN ON A PC. LAUGHABLE!!

<< Comment #572 @ 18:32 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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DasBok

I think people need to stop holding the CPL up on a pedestal, I mean, its evident since last year, and the year before that the CPL no longer has an interest in the gamers.

How can we fix this? Simple, ignore it. If noone covers their events, if noone talks about their events, they will either get the message and grow up, or disappear.

I've said this for a long time, the only e-sports event that is held each year that still carries any prestige is the ESWC.

2%

<< Comment #661 @ 19:50 CDT, 28 April 2007 >>

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danseko.dD - Reply to #572

Yep, I'm probably going this year just for fun.

<< Comment #574 @ 18:41 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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raithza

omg

RIP Q3 <3 <3 :'(

<< Comment #580 @ 21:00 CDT, 24 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (121-73-34-69.cable.telstraclear.net)

rofl, looks like CPL is deleting any critical comments from the news on their main page to make it look like ppl would actually appreciate their bullshit :D

<< Comment #589 @ 03:10 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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Smurfie

Is it allowed to plug xbox keyboard and mouse ? :>

See you all in Paris ! :D o/

<< Comment #591 @ 05:09 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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JES - Reply to #589

I hope not :)

<< Comment #609 @ 09:01 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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serox

hahaha.

gutted to all you mugs who have been wasting so much time playing a shit game in hope of winning some cash.

quakeworld ftw.

<< Comment #613 @ 11:46 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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hakeem - Reply to #609

LOL Ser!

<< Comment #620 @ 16:18 CDT, 25 April 2007 >>

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TheGunSlinger - Reply to #609

Poor CZM :-]

<< Comment #666 @ 12:14 CDT, 29 April 2007 >>

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rml

lol 666 posts here

<< Comment #673 @ 07:53 CDT, 2 May 2007 >>

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Anonymous (zdvkr2-25.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE)

please someone makes a big q3 tourney please for gods sake