its still a g5 tho, my mx500 is kinda dieing of age so i wanted to get an mx518. should i get a 518 or a g5? :P

518, i got both and 518 is a lot better =p

get the mx518 its much much better , i just bought a G5 and when playing online multiplayer games the sensitivity changes by itself i have to stop playing and change it , its really annoying and pisses me off

i have the same problem...when playing quake the sensitivity changes for a lower one by itself. If i press the + button it changes back to the one i used to have but this happens again and again. i changed my g5 for a mx518 now

The MX518 for sure, its cheaper and performs better.

Not a big fan of it, and I have an extra one sitting on the desk next to me.

My biggest problem is that the weights tend to shift slower then the rest of the mouse, which causes an off balance feel not found in regular mice.

Nice little guide, but I already swapped my two G5's with a MX518 ;)

I wonder how a G5 will perform in Mousescore if it were flashed with 1.2 firmware and was running at 1000Hz?

About the same as the G3.

is there also a new firmware for the g3 ?

No, Logitech have released no firmware upgrades for the G3.
However, you can enjoy 1000Hz polling through SetPoint 3.30.

well, does it change anything from 500 to 1000? (faster tracking max speed or smth like that)

i put my logitech g3 at 1000hz, but it doesnt get 1000hz... maybe 600-700 hz on average. any way to get 1000hz avg?

My G3 shows 1000hz average in the DirectX mouse rate checker but not the standard one.

Some motherboards won't do 1000Hz

Is it only for the x86 Setpoint 3.3? Because I've just updated to SetPoint 3.30.165 (x64) and my "Advanced Game Settings" interface is just like SetPoint 2 ... no polling rate options, and the X/Y dpi settings aren't separate.

I recieved this mouse as a gift some while ago and was somewhat reluctant to use it after trying it out a bit. My previous mouse was a Logitech mx510 and I thought that the transition would be pretty smooth. I've heard all the stories before about laser mice and their issues with Q4 but my problems were completely beside those.

The first thing I noticed was the grip. When you look at it and feel it for the first time you assume that it's going to be a tight grip with the added rubber sides. For me, I found that this was not the case. Instead I found myself gripping the grips rather than the mouse itself. This was very puzzling for me, and after a short while I even found that my hand was starting to hurt from trying to squeeze and hold on to the mouse too tight. A situation that I would not have had otherwise with the exact same shaped mx510.

The next thing that really frustrated me were the weights. At first I thought; let me simply add the weights untill I find the same weight as my previous mouse. But again I ran into a surprising problem. You can't just simply add the weights. If you evenly distribute the weights you're going to find that the mouse becomes heavier in the back. Meaning that if you want to find a more balanced weight you're going to have to add more weights to the front. (perhaps depending on how you hold your mouse, at least it was for me)

This can make it extremely hard if you want to purposefully make the mouse heavier or lighter in the front or back.

I had to take a significant amount of time emptying and refilling the cartridge, trial-and-error, untill I finally found the propper "centered" placement. Which if I remember correctly was a couple of weights towards the front of the holster.

I know there's a whole lot of other notorious issues with this mouse that have been covered before, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has had the same unique issues I've had with this mouse.

I'm actually currently using a G5 right now, as I casually play games during the school semester, but if I were playing more seriously I don't know if I'd stick with it or not.

It's probably great for photoshop work or something like that, it's not a gaming mouse. Mine's sitting on my desktop unused.

MX500 > MX518 >>>>> G5

The G5 has a host of problems, large and small. It feels like it's dusty or something, the surface texture is horrid, the resolution change buttons are annoying, the wheel feels dodgy, the thumb button is useless, it skips if you breath on it and for some insane reason the sensor isn't central which makes everything a whole lot worse.

As a general observation all these mouse companies are going nuts trying to offer people extra buttons - why don't they place them so you can use them? You don't ever want to remove your thumb and probably little finger from the mouse because they control it. Split mouse 2 into 2 buttons and make the wheel a proper coolie hat.

Not to be suspicious or anything but yan with the Death Adder and now this guy heartily pimping their products?

"Not to be suspicious or anything but yan with the Death Adder and now this guy heartily pimping their products?"

lol, but hey I intended to help, mate!

MX500 > MX518 ??? no way, mx510 is even better than the mx500

KreZzzyyyyyyyyyy mx500 is the best in the u and i verse

da > mx500 >= mx518 ....period.
and you know your sister's got it ._.

Well performancewise when both works the 518 might be better, the thing is, mx518s mess up, 500s don't =P
Same thing with ie3.0/wmo1.1 etc, they just work, the new mice break =P

Which one is considered better?
ie3.0 or MS WheelMouse Optical v1.1?

Personal preferece only.
3.0 is bigger and has tumbbuttons, wmo1.1 smaller without the extra buttons =P
All comes down to what you like.

the ms3.0 is known for breaking after some time though. i threw two dead ones away just last week

wth do you do with your mice =P
The 3.0s are known for getting problems with the mousebuttons after a few years, the G5s are known to get problems with everything after a few weeks.

dunno :> yes with the 3.0 we're talking about years here not weeks. quite some people reported the sensor dying after ~2years. i don't like the ms buttons too they feel cheap :) the most durable mouse i ever had was my mx300 which is still running on the family laptop.

The MX500 has almost no negative accel and is much harder to freak out.

The mx500 and wmo/3.0 which in some peoples eyes are quite alot.

?

mx500 is second only to the Deathadder "working" sensor.

Not at 125hz polling rate, and well, with 500+ polling rate most mice has quite little negative accel.

But that's like saying a mini is as good as a F1 car if you cap the enging/parts.

Well you should look at out of the box performance, not some tweaked bs =p
Anyway, programs for changeing polling rate is not allowed at lan events so you could kind of say it is capped .

Not everyone plays at those stupid WSVG/CPL/WCG etc LANS though. In fact, an amazingly large majority do not.

Polling rate programs are easy to get a hold of and easy to use...

Well alot of people want to use similar settings as those who go and want to follow the regulations of the major tournaments even online.

Anyway, the main point though is that you can't compare mice like that, it would be like saying that cpu x is vastly faster than cpu y cause cpu x has higher oc capabilities even though out of the box cpu y is faster.
Alot of people don't want to or don't know how to get/use programs like that.

That's funny (at least for me) I just right now, this morning, received my 2 news MX310 to replace my G5 and found same time your article on my screen.

I replace it because of 3 things :

1) I got plug/unplug/freeze prblm, typical for a Logitech mouse death and I didn't want another G5 (and yes tbh I don't want to resolve it)

2) I always found this mouse too heavy and slightly too big, so weights are particulary useless to me. I even don't let the plastic piece inside...

3) In my opinion the biggest problem with this mouse I don't remember people noticed (exept ix-ir here) : because of the laser not vertically aligned but horizontally, when you pull the mouse up to turn you obligatorily do a slight jump to the left (and inverse down)... so this mouse is ipso facto, and irremediably because of its build structure, shaky !

Here's my guide for the WMO.

1. Open the box.
2. Plug your mouse in any USB port.
3. Now play without skipping or problems.

3. except if you move it faster than 1m/s ;)

but yeah your point is right. Mouse mice don't need a guide like this.

Ye gl getting skipping on a wmo =/
It has negative accel, but since when did it really matter unless you have a ridiculously low sens like 45cm/360. You just don't need to move the mouse so fast and far that it has an effect.

negative accel may be the most acceptable kind of skipping but per definition it still is. And I know people who move their hands with really high speeds which I believe may reach 1m/s.
So, no matter how you turn it his statement is incorrect.

It's not what people mean by skipping though so...

1/m a second is easy. I bet I move my mouse 3 times faster at times.

Well yes, but see, getting negative accel and it mattering are two totaly diffrent things =P

in all honesty, the g5 and logitech mice overall tend to have high failure rates in my experience, every logitech mouse I've bought has died within a week to 6 months. generally not worth it for the amount they cost.

rofl, well Im sorry for you because I've had my mx510 for over a year and a half and that was after my dad bought his. He still has his own 510, a 518, and I just gave my old 500 to a friend and they all still work perfectly fine. Have you slammed it in frustration at all or abused it in some way. If so maybe thats it :O cuz I havent done that at all to mine and they work great. Even my mx310 still works, lol.

Some logitech series got some prblm and died frequently after few months (or less) of use. Especially ± late 2004, I got myself 2 or 3 logitech (500 or 510 I don't remember + a 310) which died in a row. I remember anybody complained too much when they got same prblm; the mx series was just TEH must at this period and ppl bought back their mouse so quick they forgot their last collapsed mouse.

Logitech had (have) for sure some life duration problems, that's not because you didn't have some problems that's the case in general. :)

my mx500 still wins.

dunno why everyone hates the g5 so much, ive had mine well over a year now, i love the texture, as it doesnt build up dead skin, i use the tilt wheel for back/forward which i prefer to using thumb buttons. i dont have the weight cartridge in as it is a bit heavy, and its always run fine on my QcK. maybe im just lucky.

Did you read other comments ? o0

yes, but i can only imagine that people are too rough with their mice, all these people saying their mice breaking and stuff, ive had 2 mice since 2002, an ie3.0 and this g5, which has never showed any of the symptoms people talk about and ive had it for well over a year.

You have a serious lack of imagination if you can't imagine because you didn't have problems with 1 mouse other people can have some :)

I had one of these which cost a staggering £60 when it first came out and even though I used it for quite a long time I was never satisified but after spending that sort of money on a mouse I wasn't about to replace it after 2 weeks.

So I hunted down an MX300 on eBay a few months back and loved it, the shape is the one I felt in my job and loved it but it died a few weeks ago so now I spent £20 on the G1 from Hong Kong and I know we are going to get along just fine ;)

The G5 is just too big, when my MX300 started to die I put my hand over the G5 and almost fainted, it felt shocking and my hand must be deformed for getting used to that shape, maybe it's because I'm a fingertip player but using fingertips with the G5 is like trying to move a tank with a car.

The removeable weight cartridges are useless in all honesty as it's even too heavy at default so adding more weights seems ridiculous, but each to there own!

nice guide :)

thanks, most people comment on the mouse rather than the guide!

My MX518 died after only 3 months so i wanted it to be replaced - the guy at my local hardware-shop (internet-shop would've taken weeks) told me they only got the G5 so I took this one - 2 big negative points on the G5
1) the missing "browser forward" button - however if you're used to it it'll suck ass when missing
2) the rattling of the weight pieces in the plastic frame

on the last one I made a small workaround with toilet-paper (lol) - at least now it's silent:

here

Oh and btw it's my 4th G5 - they tend to die young when being slammed against a wall :D
But they always replaced it for free :)

I guess I'm lucky.

I started using my g5 after I broke my ms3.0 and I have never had any issues with it like the ones you described. I don't use any of the weights, I just leave the cartridge empty. At 400dpi with a medium sense I've never had any skipping or anything. I love how slippery the teflon surfaces are compared to say the 3.0 or any other mouse I've tried.

My only gripe is that if I slam it (not even that hard), the weight cartridge falls out of the bottom and I have to stop what I"m doing and push it back in.

Good write-up though. It'll help people who are facing those types of problems with the g5 for sure.

original 3.0 or re-release? 'cause I've got the re-released and one of my favorite things about it are the mouse feet. Teflon brand and perfect thickness.
I have one complaint and one complaint only about this mouse, ..
the thumb buttons and scroll wheel are not nearly as tight as I'd like. They almost rattle. it's sorta lame, but it's otherwise the best mouse I've ever used, much less owned.

Compared to the g5 my old 3.0 mouse feet were like sliding brick across cloth. At least my 'new released' 3.0 mouse felt like the mouse feet were regular plastic rather than teflon. That's the only reason I didn't like the new 3.0.

Yes, the middle click is very hard to click, even after almost 2 years of using the mice.

Nice guide :)

btw... I have a question. What will I really get switching the rates to 1000Hz, and can I this way (somehow) break the mouse? I'm not familiar with rates, I just know what DPI is, so speak up clearly plz...

First of all, if you are not an avid gamer or precise computer artist, dont mess up with polling rates, they are simply not meant for you.

Polling rates essentially mean two things-
1. How quickly your actual hand/finger movement is translated to screen motion (default being 8ms while you can tweak it up to 1ms)
2. The minimum delay between two commands issued by the mouse (if you suddenly flicked the mouse in opposite direction it would take a default delay of 8ms unlike tweeked delay of just a ms)
This is just a different understanding of point 1.

And NO, overclocking polling rate cannot do permanent harm to a device (however I am taking an educated guess here).

lol, yes it can.

iPods die and so do other mp3 players when plugged into a 1000hz USB port

but Setpoint has a very cool way of overclocking polling rate, it does not overclock the port permanently but only till the mouse is plugged into it...

Nice guide but I'll not use it because my g5 works fantastic for me. Middle click was suck when i started wrorking with that mouse but now it's ok.

Although I can use the G5 because of my higher sensitivity I still refuse to use it. I absolutely can't stand how heavy that damn mouse is. Especially when you start adding weights. Without the weights it's not too bad, until you start moving it, then you realize that it's way heavier in the front. Absolutely useless for me.

thx for the guide. didnt know there was a setpoint update.

i had setpoint version 2.4 and when i clicked on the " search for new updates" button it told me that there was no new update.

btw is the 1000 Hz option only for the g5? i got a g7 and i only can choose between 125-500 Hz

I set the hertz to 1000 in the setpoint options, then using 'mouserate.exe' I attempted to test to make sure it was running at 1000hz, but it was still only running at 500hz according to that program.

Anyone know why that is?

The 500 and 518 can only manage something in the 600s, I can't remember if the G5 is the same.

Middle Click workaround. The problem with this workaround, not that it doesn't work because that was also my resoulution to it during my brief use of the mouse, but that the tilt buttons are very fragile and within 1 week had broken, thus I had to return the mouse.
Due to inoperable middle click, and weak tilt clicks, I recommend no one buy this mouse.

nice guide!

didnt know there was a new version of setpoint out

the "update manager" told me there wasnt :<

i have now cranked my poll rate to 1000

333hz. i would like that option available thru sweetlow's usb rate program...

godamn!

the 3.3 setpoint drivers with the polling rate HAVE ELIMINATED MY NEG ACCEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thanks for this bvsingh

can you notice the difference between 500 and 1000hz polling?

I don't think you can even get it to run at 1000hz.

I set it to 1000hz in the set point options, and tested what it was actually running at, using Mouserate.exe, and it was still coming up as 500hz.

for me it's acctually more than 1000 when I move the mouse. when stopped it's 200-800.
edit: feels better ingame (1000hz + 1.2)

well, i dont know if its actually working at 1000hz

but its fixed my neg accel problem so i dont care

im a low sens player and this has saved me from buying a new mouse ^____________________________________^

edit: just used mouserate checker or whatever it is, and it was polling @ 500hz, but if i unclick the show button, it hits 800hz

tbh, i couldnt care less what its polling at as its now fixed the neg accel issue

You need to add to your guide that a Logitech G5 is just plain NOT a low sensitivity mouse no matter your surface, firmware and condition of the sensor.

Don't argue over the MX500 and MX510 they both have insanely good low sensitivity tracking when overclocked to 500hz. Both of mine would hit 450hz average at 500hz USB rate. Neither have any negative acceleration at this setting, their shapes are identical, in the dark with both sitting on my mousepad I couldn't tell which one I was using if I just switched randomly between the two during gaming. As for maximum speed before sensor malfunctioning, I can't say anything of maximum speed. Same with my death adder, I have a 90cm wide mousepad, and there is not a "speed" that I can move any of my optical mice 500/510/DA above that will make them skip out like the G5.

How ever if I warm up and fling any of these mice around at acceleration rates so wicked my face turns red and I am panting afterwards, they all skip. I think it is actually a little harder to make the MX500/MX510 skip than the Deathadder. And when the Deathadder skips, you end up looking at the sky or floor, where those other two just stop turning. But do not take this as a hit on any of these products. The speed and effort required is so freakishly high you wouldn't hit the failure speed in your wildest dreams. I am saying this and I already take 80cm/360 in UT2k4 and while playing I don't move the mouse even 75% the speed I would have to move to make these skip.

Back to the MX500 / MX510 comparison, I can tell you that internally they look identical, externally they look identical, functionally they are identical, excellent at 400dpi without mouseware, bad for gaming at 800dpi with setpoint or mouseware because of Logitech G1 esk negative acceleration. The MX500 is not recognized by SetPoint but the MX510 is. The marketing advertisement that this mouse had a faster sensor or better this or that likely is just that, marketing. If the two mice are different in anything other than the holographic finish I would be surprised. So I await sujoy testing one.

If you are extremely style conscious and want something cool you could track down an Red or Blue MX510 on the internet. But the high price you might have to pay to get one of these discontinued mice is probably not worth just getting an MX500. Which I should add has rougher matt silver plastic that paint would adhere to very well, compared to the glossy MX510. So you could customize the silver upper portion of your MX500 to be any color or pattern and have any design with some airbrushing.

When the cord on my MX510 failed, I bought a G5. After a few months I noticed that if this was supposed to be so much greater than a 3-4 year old optical mouse... I really am not playing much better for the technology advances. I also noticed that even though it was the same shape as the MX510 it was harder to hold and my thumb often ached after playing for a few hours holding it. So after seeing Sujoys mousescore, and the prerelease FragByte video of the Death adder skipping wildly at high speed. I decided to get the MX500. While the MX500 was shipping I took my MX510 apart now that I had nothing to lose, and was able to FIX the cord so that now it works perfectly and never shuts off while gaming. So then I was disappointed to have bought a 30 dollar mouse identical to my old one.

Finally when Sujoy's mouse review came out I decided I would get the DeathAdder. Although I hesitated and I was very glad that I did so because the mouse had tons of problems at release. I waited until the firmware 1.10 came out and then ordered mine on the web when most places were completely out of stock and they still are out of stock. Needless to say I am lucky to have one, but I do not regret spending 60 dollars on this mouse. This has the precision (by that I mean rather than using 400dpi with a G5, you divide your in-game sensitivity by 5 and play with 2000dpi) of a laser mouse with the high speed tracking ability of the MX5x0, and it is supremely comfortable and has perfectly placed buttons.

All I can say is, forget the G5 get a DA!

well, if you use all the "fixes" listed here it should eliminate all the problems with the G5, Using the 3.3 setpoint and changing the polling rate via setpoint is what fixed it for me

i am a low sens player btw :>

Ok, I am guessing if I can't get my G5 to run at 1000hz it would be because of my motherboard? Or could it be another problem?

Yo guys, IMO MX518 FTW. I extensively use it for quaking and it's part of my arm now. Had NO issues and it's been almost 2 years now. It's the best, perfect gaming mouse. I don't use the DPI change very often, since I play at 1600 only. I reduce the sens in the game itself.

Did have a chance to check out the G5 and it really didn't feel as smooth as the MX518.

- ½Sleevz

can anyone translate me this part of sentence?

"so take an ear bud and go berserk on the sensor"

i have no idea what does it should mean...thx

http://www.jcu.edu.au/school/bsg/bs/stores/im...20BUDS.jpg

those

clean the sensor with one

...cotton swab...

Good article!

It's nice to see these kind of guides for the mise that are "troublesome". Most of these mice can actually work great once they have been tuned up to perform.

when i set it to 1000hz on setpoint, the hz actually goes from 100 at a slow speed to 2000, that must be wrong? surely its locked at 1000 like it is at 500 by default?

i have G5 for almost a year now and i can say thats the worst shit i have ever had, negative acce allways i move my mouse, pixel skipping everytime i move it slowly and randomly switching off ..the only reason i still have this mouse is that i am waiting for something new where i will be sure that this bugs are fixed

I just wanted to ask around bout gaming issues with the G3 and G5.......I just bought a G3 and I love the feel and look of it, except that when playing FPS games my framerate drops from 100 to 20 after bout 5-10 mins, im on XP(x64) and was using Set 3.30.....and to mention, the mouse and my vid card were the ONLY "extra" hardware that was attached while testing. Any 1 else have the same issues? any fix?

1000hz works fine on mine. After switching the hz you can actually turn off setpoint and it will stay at w/e you set it to. im averaging about 1200hz

Hey

ive tried all these fixxes but my g5 still skips if i make a fast movement left to right..

im playin on 2000 dpi 1000hz and on a qpad EC-R.. u can compare that to a steelpad 4d :) ive tried it on 800dpi and its still got the same problem.. its a bit strange :/ anyone have any ideas?

(yes i cleaned the sensor and ive got the latest setpoint + firmware)

lolz......
plz use this mouse checker to check the polling rate .....
http://www.gather-network.net/arie/razer/tool...dialog.exe
the one ur using is screwed up.....

Wow, all those negative comments. I am using the G5 for around a year now, and never ever had a problem with it.

It responds good, no skipping, no problems holding the mouse!

Thanks for the guide, I will do what you said tonight and see how my aim or movement increases in Quake 3 Arena.