Angel is a fucking hero.

Angel is fucking Nero.

Who is Nero and why is Angel fucking him?

:(

eh ok.

haw haw your plan to get a plus failed! :D

eh ok.

No it didn't =))

why?

if he would be a hero he'd see that there is already such a game ...

WARSOW

it has no singleplayer, only multiplayer and made for competitive gaming.
its made for gamers by gamers.
in the next version will be warsowTV for the specs and its FREE.

in this game is no luck because of the movement.

another good thing is that you can implent sponsor-advertisements like it already is in wdm5.

with new maps and wswtv warsow will be TEH PWN

think about it!

warchooOooooOOOooOoo !!!§!§!!!§§§§!§!§!!§§!§

Warsow suck.

like you?

even better

Nah, it just has a long way to go as a competitive duel game.

It's made for gamers but not sure it was made by gamers. ultrono more fits this tagline :/

And there's a part of luck in this game as in all the games whith a megahealth. mh means if you're 2 on it before it respawns, one can get twice the health as the other one and therefore win the fight and be in control of the item (if not of the whole map). There wouldn't be luck if the megahealth was 10 hp.

luck is involved in every game.

And there's a part of luck in this game as in all the games whith a megahealth. mh means if you're 2 on it before it respawns, one can get twice the health as the other one and therefore win the fight and be in control of the item (if not of the whole map).

well thats skill? just time the mh?

most of the time both players know when the mh will respawn, it's not "i time and you dont so i win". When 2 players are on the mh spot the one who gets it is just lucky

or he has aim + movement and frags the enemy?

what fuzz said

i'll just ignore you, your comments are as always stupid

kkthxcubye

egd

aye

Please, warsow is the shittiest cartoon character 5 yr old game ever made. Its so shit, those weapons or whatever? lol cmon. cant be taken serious.

if thats the game millions of people sposed to be spectating u can bury e-sports now.

hahah q3/q4 doesnt look like a cartoon?

and since when do competitive players need good graphics? gameplay is important

No it doesn't.

thats not what people said when it first came out...

My mates who are not really into online gaming but used to lan q3 with me refused to play wSw against me. Too cartoony, to fast, too gay is what they said.

ye i understand the reason

too fast for them :/

no, it was too gay and too cartoony.

:x

they sound like intelligent people ;p jk

this site is primarily frequented by quakers, and most of them will have played their game for years and years and will be die hard quakers. im sure many cs'ers will also think the same, but for a bunch of people; it will be refreshing, fun aswell as a opportunity to get involved in a game that still has fresh blood ( and probably will continue to have new blood for a while )

its really not surprising that lots of Quake 3 ers on this site dislike warsow, as it is infact most similar to Quakeworld and CPMA, which is not very popular with vQ3'ers, but to outsiders, its very fun, and very impressive.

good argument.

i get it clearer and clearer. progaming sucks.

I like warsow, it is the casual freezetag/CA quakers who dont.

mindz the game ownz.

in the next version will be warsowTV for the specs and its FREE.

that's been said for ages.. i like warsow but there won't be any wswtv for long if they keep up these "promises"....

either it's very hard to do this hltv/gtv for other games or the developers just have weird prio..

umm no.. they've never said on any previous releases there wil be warsowtv in them.. they did say its coming but specifically said it wont be in the next release (the current release).. I don't recall if they said it will be in 0.3 but I'm pretty sure it will.

i was a beta tester for a long time and back then they talked about it too :). but other things seem to get prio.

bla bla, QUAKE3! NO WARSOW! NO QUAKE4! NO UT2K7!

CPL gave us Quake3 for the 2007WT and now they're working on a game that's geared towards competetive gaming. They'll listen to the community aswell as pro gamers to get the best possible result. Don't get much better premesis than that wsw fanboy.

blabla q3 fanboy

actually i like both q4 and q3 i just wish the DM community would gather around 1 game instead of bitching on ESR all day about it instead.

well i like and played q3, q4, pk too

but your comment doesnt look like you dont like bitching on esr :>

bla bla, QUAKE3! NO WARSOW! NO QUAKE4! NO UT2K7!

q3,q4 are good games but we are talking about the cpl game ...

warsow has all the features (soon) which are needed for a competitive game only

u didnt understand what i wrote apparently :\

What about Quake 3.5

warsow is for diehard promode players...not everyone likes that...and if theyre gonna get a wide player base they have to appeal to alot more than just promode players..there arent that many out there anyway...theyre just a very vocal minority.

they need to make a game that everyone will like not just speed junkies that think instant weapon switching spam is skill.

the ooh and, ahh and, holy shit did you see that?, factor in promode isnt what competitions should be about. they should be about 2 ppl in an arena trying to kill each other.

the cpl knows this and thats why theyre using baseq3 physics for the season instead of promode physics in q3. hopefully theyll keep that in mind for their game..

Or: because all major competitions have been with vq3, and almost the famous player base(and hence fans) as well as the general player base is alot bigger than promode. They have a good groundwork already laid out, there's the personalities, the talent, the spectator fanbase, etc. Promode has yet to see real cash competition over a longer period of time, and is a harder start to set up a tourney with.

I'm sure people would be impressed by promode play as well(if not more so, since newbies can easier relate to the promode almost constant action than the slow[although strategic] control and mind game conversions in vq3).

Some can some can't in my opinion. Just like how some people like RTS whereas others like FPS! :)

they need to make a game that everyone will like not just speed junkies that think instant weapon switching spam is skill.

It's funny how the VQ3-ers talk is if promode is dumbed down so that players can be good at it when it's completely the other way around.

the ooh and, ahh and, holy shit did you see that?, factor in promode isnt what competitions should be about. they should be about 2 ppl in an arena trying to kill each other.

I guess then it should be about the "hmm" and "mmm, clever" factor in chess. Oh and please explain to me what promode is about if it's not about killing? Riding hand in hand and singing "Ol Macdonald had farm..."?

the cpl knows this and thats why theyre using baseq3 physics for the season instead of promode physics in q3. hopefully theyll keep that in mind for their game..

Wrong again, Sherlock. The CPL chose VQ3 because it already has the fanbase they NEED.




Tell your parents to give you some books for your 12th birthday, it'll help your mental growth.

"it's FREE"

that's why it won't be warsow :)

warsow. pwns. all.

thank you

nice but will it work? o_O

wow, really interesting. They are definitely going towards standardization. I told you suckas, that's the future of esports. Constantly switching games is NOT. Angel Munoz, you're da man.

echo

Haha, CPL going towards standardization.

I've been preaching this mantra as well. Lets hope they dont cook up anything atrocious

i hope it s good -_-`

Input from the competitive community during development is crucial for this to work out.

or else we're going to get a game that's locked at 65 fps that we can't do anything about.

arQon are you working on this?

was thinking the same :), this would be a dream come true for him

arQon & "feedback will be used to create changes"?

don't make me laugh

still I would have loved it to be promode

If you put someone above arqon, he would be forced to submit.

he wont accept it

He will if he gets well paied, I guess.

He already works in a $$$ biz (bank network transactions iirc)

So? I doubt he would refuse to get well paid to do something that he does as a "volunteer" now (CPMA).

k bye

I doubt that the cpl could put that kind of money down that you get outside the gaming industry.
You never know though, we can always hope for small contributions, e.g. netcode etc.

Well yeah but he could get free pizza hut for a year =D

He genuinely listens to feedback if there really is some brains/thought/justification put into it and not just whining BOOHOO 76 FPS GIEV BAKC!!!!!!!!

Yea, he listens to the promode community. If it's the vq3 he just goes "you're all idiots, you don't know what's good for you. I do". I respect his talent and work, but his character sucks.

upward timer in q4.

AnthonyJ, he disbanded u!

interesting :)
hope its good; also working with pros is a good and a bad thing.
hope u get czm in :)

I doubt it will turn into fast paced game... But they should really care about spectators - spectators shouldn't be bored.

Spectators should be able to watch good quality without having to spend ten hours installing/configuring/tweaking stuff before they can watch.

I told about spectator not involved in gaming - i.e. football fans.

sounds very interesting. im a bit skeptical about this actually working but its going to be very interesting to find out in the future :)

So finally people understand why Korea is still the homeland of professional gaming.

Listening to community feedback sounds nice in theory, but is not so easy in practice I would imagine. Everyone including the pro gamers will want to turn it into their own favorite game. Resulting in a complete mess that does not work well as a whole.
The core game play design needs to be done by someone that really understands competitive gaming and can keep the big picture in mind. Let the community provide ideas for tweaks.
The way I see it, there is only one person with the experience and proven track record: arQon.

Agreed, Arqon is the only man for the job imo!

Agreed.

yea he should be brought in for sure :/

? whats to stop arqon from just making a stand alone version of cpma with a different name and look then.

he doesn't have the rights to do that i think

He doesn't have the models, sounds and textures, that's what's stopping him. The code is free-for-all.

yea, i know the source code has been released, but...

taken from this newspost:

"The engine will be based on the Quake3 server-client model, using Quake3 'netcode', and some sort of , 'id Software' rendering technology. They haven't announced which, but possibly completely new. We also know that CPL has already licensed the Quake 3 engine."

why would the CPL have to license the engine if the engine is completely "free-for-all"? And I doubt arQon has a such license.

The source code is open source, meaning that whoever wants to can use it (even commercially). The drawback is that everything you do with the code has to be open source as well. If you want it to stay closed source, you need to purchase a license.

The engine IS completely open source. However, in order to actually release a stand alone game, you need all the game media, e.g. sounds, models, textures etc. Essentially everything you see as an end user. Those media assets are still intellectual property of id, so if you'd want to release a q3 (or cpma) stand alone, you'de need to re-do all game media. It figures that that's a lot of work and the main reason why cpma hasn't been released as a stand alone version.

"The drawback is that everything you do with the code has to be open source as well. If you want it to stay closed source, you need to purchase a license."

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

yea, I know about the sounds/models etc.

read wipeout comment; carmac sad that on quakecon

well theres always OpenArena...

even though it looks crappy :D

Its improving with 0.6 and after all its not backuped by millions of $ :) I think its doing fine.

If you buy a license you don't need to publish the source.

Fine, strip CPMA of all quake content, rename weapons, models and give the new game the exact same feel.
Doesn't really change much does it, 'rail' = 'rael'.

CPMA has never been much for originality, and railgun is not copyrighted by id software, they may be called the same things, just as long as the artwork and sound is new.

I agree. Though arQon surely has better and more rewarding things to do with his time, if they don't hire him at least as a consultant they are making a mistake IMO. He is probably the most qualified person to design this.

I just wonder why they hadn't contacted warsow (unless they had ofcourse :D) just because they are busy working on the exact same project, albeit only for 1v1.

Basically, I just hope it's a game that ends up being worth playing :)

Just let arqon fuck with his cpam shit dont touch anything else k?

I think they should find a better name though. Severity is two long and awkward with its 4 syllables.

"I play severity. I'm a severiteer."

Nah, it just doesn't work.

Quake is much better.

"I play Quake. I'm a Quaker."

They should find something shorter and more catchy imo.

severiteer... lol yeah it doesn't have quite the same ring to it as quaker does it :)

I play sev, i´m a sever! ;)

I will sever your head!

plz wait for the game first! :P

call it .......CRUST !!

your mom has crusties :<

Or why don't name it Quest? Oh yea, some american celeberty already called that name ^^

They could name it Quake-Strike: Arena 1: The Return of the Terrorists.

They should just ask Vavle if they can have a special CPL version of CS, and they just got the source code of Quake3.

They should call it "Wank" - then we would all be a bunch of... ;)

I agree that Severity isn't such a good name but I wonder why think of a name when there's no content yet. Depending on the provided feedback we could end up playing God knows what. Now that would be pretty severe.

I'm not thinking of a name if that's what you mean. I just hope "severity" is some temporary project name because it sucks.

Yeah I was thinking the same. But they should either say that it's temporary or say nothing at all.

I've thought of a more proper name: Tremor ;)

Tremor :>

very Quake-ish.

But don't know. Then we would be Tremors? Sounds like trimmers...

Let's give it some Latin feel: peope playing Tremor = Tremori. Dunno myself. Still beats being a severitee ;)

arqon, rhea, and czm, IMO...should definitely be on this project. Rhea and arQon of course for their MODing of gaming, and a GJ doing that. And czm is obviously one of the brightest pro gamers, one of the best, and has already made a pseudo game for a school project, that was actually fun to play. I could easily see this as a giant step toward making e-sports..and ACTUAL sport. I could also just as easily see this game SUCKING and being a huge flop. Remember how much you loved whatever game it was that got so much hype? Not as much as you thought you would right...so let's just be "cautiously optimistic" .
=)

Regardless...*applaud* for the effort Angel is giving.

you name only quake players.. why even try to build a new game with only quakers.. must be more objective otherwise it will be just another quake game and not a mainstream game!

Is there game modders close to the caliber of those 2 in other games..I kind of doubt it? And which game has been chosen for a duel game for the past...13years? Quake games? I think we should stick to what works...By no means should this be a remake...But it's not like Q4 and UT is THAT much different... A good game...is simply a good game..what does it matter if it's made by ppl who "Play Quake"

lol what bullshit, sticks to what works.. why even try to build a new game then! :P Play Quake then.. and you cant only have quake men just realize it!

When was quake's 13nth aniversary?

Especially by letting czm in u will just get another quake.... Choose gamers like fatality, ztrider etc. who played competitive in just more then one game. Of course everyone has preferences if it should be a fast paced game (like pk) or a much slower game (like vq3). But i guess that is up to cpl and what they are think is best for spectators. The "Progamer" will just give some ideas.

oops, wrong plus actually

gg mathematics .. Doom is around that long, but Quake is *only* 10yrs now

dude, gooseman made CS on his own.... yeh, 1 person....

and I'm sure he's got a personal circle of hell reserved purely for him.

What about cliffe?

afair, cliffe ran the website, did a little bit of modeling or smtg. he didnt do all that much. either way, gooseman is the one that did the bulk of the work.

some of u guys may even remember his first ever mod, i sure did, it was called Navy Seals for Q1, which he did all the work on himself. its also fairly similar to what CS was to start with.

and aq2

Cliffe put up a website and dide some sound effects (all the voice stuff is him). Other than that, CS was all Gooseman.

Sorry to break it to ya, but CS is a mod also. I think the maker of the mod CS is pretty experienced, more then all the others combined.

what makes you think the modder of CS got more experience than anyone else? cause more ppl plays his/their game?

Im just saying the modder of CS (cliffy) got more experience then arQon and Rhea. This is because he has been around longer, which roughly means has more experience. Plus his job is MODding whereas arQon does it in his free time.

I think this makes him more experienced on the modding grounds.

i suppose so, but it would be harsh to call arQon unexperienced, the guy made q3 what it is today!

i didnt call him inexperienced.

so you didnt, and you shouldnt!

:---------------------x

lol, no clue

cliffe was PR and website

all about the goose

dont try that on this site, ppl are to closeminded

The two big fps duel games are UT and Quake so they have to combine that in a nice game to make it happen otherwise UT players wont play on a quake based engine..

If there is enough money in the tournaments, I'm sure many UT players will switch regardless :>

yes the 10 people that play pro..

I expect many will try to go pro with this new game if the moneys are huge and the game is not utter shit, regardless of what DM background they come from. We'll see.

When CPL was using UT2003 it was even more boring to watch as q4 is. I don't see anything of value in that series.

I like the shock rifle :>

that's about it though...

The shock combo is nice but it's main is overpowered (rapid firing railgun wtf).

It only does 45 damage.

I know its damage is low but I was commenting on its fire rate.
It's easy to hit many consecutive shots and it also gives some knockback.

ye but my point is that its firing rate is compensated for with its low damage so it's not really that overpowered. The 100 damage railgun is more overpowered in my opinion. With the shock rifle you have to pull off that shock combo in order to instantly deal 100 damage and that's a lot harder than just aim + click.

Still 45 dmg for main is too high IMO.

yea probably

Who cares about UT? Seriously.

people who play UT?

I thought they were considered UT nerds and not people.

nerds are not people? :o

Looking at the weight, they're closer to half a person.

so girls are half of a person? :o

Show em! :) [+]

yeah apart from fat ones.
like ur ma

you clearly "fit" in the half person category

was that a burn? oooof

only if u consider it to be but then again i don't insult other peoples families.

wheres ur way2 spirit?!?!

u took it :(

people who play ut2k4 that are more then all the quakes combined do?

Sounds like a good idea, but im not holding my breath that it will be "the future of esports" especially if CPL is to retain all rights to the game and not license it out to other events. That being said, I hope it turns out to be a fun game.

If the CPL gives out decent prizes frequently ala PK WT you won't complain about the other events not having this game on their lists.

Yes we will because that's a great way of killing a game and only having a small zombie pro-community kept alive by $.

Why a small community? If the game is fun it will be popular. WT ala 2k5 will keep the proplayers interested and the casual players will have some smaller leagues such as CB.

If the game isn't fun it won't matter that it's played at ESWC, CPL, WSVG, KODE5, WCG etc.

By reducing the amount of competition available to sub-top tier players. I'd consider competing in a LAN event with a prize but not a CPL stop because I know I'd just be wasting the travel money. To succeed for the competitive community it'd need to be a hassle free game for everyone's use. That'd strengthen the CPL's position IMO.

I agree.

Angel posted about this on the forums:

"2. The game will not be exclusive to CPL. Anyone can use it."

I guess the case is closed then :)

Still some other big organisations mayn't use it due to the fact that it's branded by CPL.

please don't listen to ut'ers when developing the 1v1 ;)

But the boots will make you jump twice as high!!!11

for the first time it seems that FPS has a future that is not bleak

It's pretty much a guarantee that unless the game is a carbon copy Quake3 and CS1.6 the communties will not flock to it unless there is some big money to be won.

The current communities are just to in love with their respective games, i assummed that it was pretty much understood that hardcore gamers do not like change.

If they don't like change, then this CPL standard game is probably not such a bad choice, don't you think? It's the opposite of changing games all the time.

Maybe not CSers, but quakers, the whores of esports? plz

?

/lynch .syL

If the game sucks but there's big money, I definitely will not "flock" to it. :)

liar.

o.O

that's intense, really in intense!... well not really intense but pretty intense

i'd rather ID software just internally made quake5, focussing purely on multiplayer. CPL should form an official petition for the community to sign, and shwo how much interest there would be to ID

id doesnt care about competitive gaming

well he can pick q4 no new betas required! a perfect game! :p

have a plus for this funny comment!!!

definitely need [-] back

have another one!

Sounds interesting - but maybe it would be better if they make the 5vs5 game-part more like ctf or team fortress, because I doubt that many CS players will switch - there are so many other tourneys in which they can earn much money.

I'd like the 5vs5 mode to be objective based like RTCW or ET. Or some mix of Team Fortress and RTCW.

RTCW style would be cool idd

Really interesting but I have my doubts too that this will be the future of eSports, I just hope it will be a fun. Time will tell

This is the ONLY step that might be able to save 1v1 DM games for several reasons. Not only does it have to potential to unite players from different franchises without interference from ideological barriers in peoples heads, but this would be virtually the first time that a game could be tailored towards professional play (and maybe even more important: Spectators), without the usual dumbing down that games go through for (completely understandable) business reasons.

The game would need to offer a wide variety of skill sets including the importance of tactical and strategical decisions, while still offering action that will draw in and captivate spectators without in-depth knowledge of the game (something painkiller did better than quake 4 btw).

Also, CPL would need to allow other competitions to easily use the game without cost. That's an absolute necessity for the game to even have a chance to succeed.

In development, it would probably be best to get the input of different styles of gamers, e.g. if you take in czm, take in vo0 as well.

There's potential here, if this is successful, but its too early to call right now. There's a few positives and negatives here.

This would create a stabilized playing form if accepted by the gaming community, the counterstrike players as well as the quake and ut areas.

The games both have to be better and more easily accessible then the counterparts they intend to try and replace. People don't want to switch to inferior games for the most part, though there will be a small professional group even if it is largely unsuccessful, but that'd be a minority in such an event.

If the quake 3 engine is used for graphics then hardware performance shouldn't be an issue as you won't have to continually buy new parts to continue playing the latest games. This is an issue that is considered non existant in the console realm and would be a step forward for computer gaming in this area.

Involving the professional community is good, so long as you don't favor any one particular section overly much. Air control players would likely produce another air control game, or counter strike would reproduce counter-strike. If you have some gamers as advisors for tweaking the game as opposed to creating it, you'd be better off over the long run.

And it may (possibly) be wise to let the intelligent portion of the community choose who it feels can best make some suggestions so as to better improve the game during its creation. Some names I've already seen thrown out are czm, rhea and arqon which should be people to choose from in a vote if they were so interested.

sorry, sir, no plusses, thanks for the effort.

lol for you! [+]

I apologize for the fact that I tried to express my opinions in a legilble format and wasn't simply trying to troll for some silly mathematical sign that really mean very little.

Sorry.

are you really that sincere? :o

While this is great for CPL tournaments, no one is concerned they would make it exclusive so only the CPL can run tournaments (like Painkiller )

Though I'm sure CPL would let other organizers use the game for a licensing fee... but unless the game really does become the standard (howtf they are going to compete with CS for the 5v5....), we will still end up split between the CPL game and the game ESWC/WCG/K5/etc use

exactly my thoughts as well

The best thing would be to try to get some other big tournaments onboard for this game also.

ESWC and WCG, WSVG should just merge. That would be sweeeeeet.

Cool idea, I dont know if I see other tournaments wanting to play a game with CPL branding all over it though.

I can't have branding or it won't succeed, simple as that. The CPL needs to understand that they aren't in a position any more to force something like that on the community and get away with it, they aren't the biggest name around any more. If they fail in that, the game will fail as a standard and most likely alltogether.

I'm optimistic however that painkiller tought them a lesson.

Basically, that's going to be another duel/5v5 game in 2008 (with the quake 3 engine!). They'd better make it very special... Anyway, I'll give it a try for sure :]

the 1v1 mode will be based mostly on the Quake franchise

warsow 2 ? :/

just what i was thinking.

well, maybe it the wSw weapons didnt suck ass so much

<3 Angel <3

Nice idea... I doubt that it'll work though.

I wonder whether anyone will actually bother to play this game. CS players aren't known for switching games (CS:S anyone?) and the same can be said for Quake players (Quake 4 anyone?) to a lesser extent.

WarSow did pick up for a while so I suppose it could be done if they create a good enough game... I don't really see how the team based mode could pick up though, unless they decide to focus on a more RtCW-like kind of gameplay along the way... CS is just unbeatable due to it's sheer popularity. A 'less established' route such as the RtCW kind of gameplay (objective & class based) would probably be more likely to have success.

Players didn't switch to Warsow because while warsow is awesome.. it is just too similar to something that is already there (CMPA, ect.). In the case of Quake4, players did not (and still have not) moved to it because it was just not very good out of the gate. (it is much much better now)

If CPL wants to do something like this, they need to overcome both of these obstacles. They can't made a CPM clone (the type of game everyone seems to want), but it also needs to be innovative enough to attract players. Money alone wont do it.

Its an interesting idea, wether it turns out to be a good one or not is yet to be seen.

"They can't made a CPM clone (the type of game everyone seems to want)"
I disagree with CPM style being the one everyone wants. CPM comunity is the louder voice at every gameplay related forum, and gives that impression, but when you addopt their requests the players don't enjoy the game as they did in the past. You get happy people in the forums, but players start dissapearing from the game.
CPM style is very specialized/unidirectional. It's too based on speed of reflexes, and kills many other skills which a lot of people enjoys. Quake3 style of gameplay is more suited for a project like this one, imo.

for me the biggest turnoff from cpm was its (small) community. the game itself rocks :)
I just cba to go on irc to find a cpm game, while I can just doubleclick in ASE to join a crowded VQ3 server.

I don't think ppl left cpm because of the gameplay.

agreed.
"Coincidently, such a game would likely sell millions of copies for years to come".

At this point in time I think that is highly unlikely if this game is marketed for only the hardcore wannabe pro-gamers and PC eSport junkies.

Hoping for the best but I'm predicting a flop.

I'd switch to a CPM clone if its better or equal to CPM, with the added possibility for cash.

CoD2 is random shit and still it has more 18- players than CS.

No it doesn't.

In Czech it does, might not be a global trend.

would be really nice to see quakers vs. ut'ers ...

GitzZz, frag^m, zulg, ... etc, etc against top-notch quake players would be real fun!

grand finals : lauke vs czm!

that was the idea of doom3 and then q4 lol

Not really. You would see complete domination from those from a quake background.

;)

BYEBYE Q3 @2008 -

R.I.P.

why you gloating, idiot? i didn't read cpl picks up shitty q4 for 2008...

he is actually waiting for his plus from ver1tas ;)

bawhaha :p

"The engine will be based on Quake3 server-client model, using Quake3 'netcode'"

More Q3 than Q4. Bye bye Q4.

"ver1tas'd"

oups I pulled a ver1tas

means gay strafing?
wats the point in it. if they use fast movement its just cpm, slow movement and its just osp. the weapons will be the same wit maybe dif names and dif damage rates & i reckon theyll use gold/silver like pk to make it not seem like a complete rip off. then theyll stick a load of cpl logos in

hopefully theyll kill off the lg/reduce its damage lots and use pk style movement

Why nerf lg? 8(

Painkiller 2?

I'm not holding my breath on this one, Painkiller was more or less adopted by CPL and look how fast that died.

Drop the 5v5 CS-Style part and replace it with 6v6 RtCW-Style gameplay.
WOULD BE THE BEST GAME EVER!

hm .. not sure it will work .. let's wait and see =)

Hopefully this one is the one to kill Quake4....That'll shutup the fanboys

Isnt already dead?

kinda :\

Hopefully this'll provide a game everyone wants to play to create unity and not have lots of idiots campaigning for 10 different DM games.

Or hopefully shut you up, cursing the fanboys. :)

Will it be free, like ET? :DD

they have a publisher so most likely not free :(

Nice idea but sounds like a business decision, nothing more. Having their own game means CPL has much more power as to what they can do, who they market with, when and where they run events etc. Development of games should be led by those who have game development as a passion and I don't think it should really come from any other source, especially the funding party. For the most part it's crappy franchise games that are led from the financial side and ultimately aren't what pro gamers play. The 'best' games are those where the seed of the idea comes from the developer, the creative individual who loves games and knows game design.

This is also relevent to community influence. Everybody knows what they like and they want to play that, sadly most people's idea of the perfect game never 100% matches with anybody elses so as good as community feedback is it's not all that. Then factor in the whine, the fourm bitching, the 'I can't be wrong' mentality; don't get me wrong player feedback is needed for every game but I'm not sure any developer can draw anymore from the community than the best devs already do. Similarly the idea that good gamers make good game designers is silly. Strong knowledge of FPS games certainly helps but there are huge technical and usability issues that often come first for a game to even work. Addtitional are the constraints of time, you HAVE to release at some point!

This could all work out but I wouldn't hold your breath, this sounds a lot like a glorified mod to me rather than a complete game package and all that entails. People will play it no doubt, PK kind of proved that was possible, but what credibility it will gain remains to be seen.

The engine will be based on Quake3 server-client model, using Quake3 'netcode'

\0/

well played munoz :)

high hopes on this one, but change the fucking name, its no good.

Pick RTCW or ET (6v6) for team game, it's perfect and free !!!!! 100000x times better than CS and it's clones !!!!

Anyway I somehow don't believe that it will be succesfull idea.

the game better not suck....

They need some Quake2ers working on it tbh and bring back double/box jumps rawr! Ah the days when jumping was a skill that required timing, as well as shooting :) *goes all misty eyed*

About time too - this was always the next logical step.

Free for everyone to download and play and shared with the other gaming federations it's be unstoppable.

Who said it was going to be free?

Mr Common Sense whispered it in my ear, it was confirmed by Dr Bloody Obvious minutes later . . . .

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=13606

Mustaine said they have already spoken with a number of publishing partners for Severity but that nothing has been signed yet. One thing they are looking for in terms of a publishing partner is a way to support a game with new features and content well past the game's release to stores.

It would be naive to think it was going to be free. CPL obviously does not have the money to develop it's own game. From reading that article it seems to me that history is repeating itself. Everybody is all promises until it's time to release the game.

yay play warsow xD

yay let's play quake 3 1.0 since it's broken, too!

warsow developers should be included as well, they did a great job and are open enough to work with new ideas.

if that game will be used by other organisations as well, then it can be THE revolution we all waited for :]

imagine, all gamers united in one game (ofc CS/quake/UT,w/e will still be played, but in leagues all clans will be playing severity :D ) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

here i have to place the following:
OMG IM SPRAYIN` CUM EVERYWHERE!!!

that's what im really hoping for aswell

The idea to avertise it with pros is really good, it's like putting a tag with pro approved so people who don't know players still know that it's a game to play.
But they had a lot of financial problems this year and now they want to pay to develop a game that'll be released in 2 years ! And also it's not like they can make any sort of profit out of this game. Eswc let nadeo make trackmania nations, it took a bit of the hype from trackmania and in return I'm sure it heleped nadeo to sell copies of their other games, even tm nations.

Now this game is basically a quake 3 mod that'll run as a standalone, they won't sell anything from it and people will associate it with quake 3, a fps that was out a long time ago. There are already a lot of fps that are out and that sell a lot, i'm not sure people will choose this game even if it's free. Because they know what a fps is and in their mind they know what a fps for good players is, the pro fps being cs or quake or other games depending on the skill and experience of the guy.

Another thing they should take in account is that players (and even the good players are like that) like good graphics and it's hard to make good graphics with quake 3. They say it's not like that because they play with picmic 1000 but the ultrono and warsow example showed the contrary. Ultrono Arena was made by a pro czm, and it had better movements a good gameplay and played better but had shitty graphics. Warsow had good graphics and didn't have smooth movements as ultrono. Both were free and both were out at the same time, Warsow's won in a few weeks.

There's a lot of reasons for the CPL to make a mistake with their game, but the main one is they are using a "worn out" game. There has been a lot of quake 3 clones and except maybe unreal they didn't work as good. They should take ideas from other games they liked and make a brand new game out of it. Players will recognise it's good if it is and transform it into a pro game. If cpl just takes quake 3 and tweak it players will just recognise quake 3.

I won't make a conclusion but imo that's a lot of good reasons for the cpl to make a big mistake.

"But they had a lot of financial problems this year"

they did?

I also think Warsow has A BIT more on Ultrono Arena than just better graphics :>

i actually found the movement in ultrono not so nice, it felt like u were sliding everywhere

don't call it severity, and don't make it shit, and please bring CTF into the competitive scene. It's the closest relative to a 'sport' of the mods, as there is actually an equivalent of a 'goal' in essence, rather than just continuous killing, which lets face it, if you want gaming to branch out as a spectator sport in the mainstream would swiftly bore the audience to death.

kill kill kill CAP!, is better than kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill.......

nice idea but you forget, ctf is more like 'kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill , OH OVERTIME, kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill OMG LAST SECOND CAP'

no different to football

Amen to that - ctf always makes the best demos too imo, especially in flag standoffs with incoming quad(s) etc. Plus theres always something going on somewhere with the flag grabs / returns / map+quad control. When individual frags mean less, people arent so bothered about dying and more concerned with the cap - you only have to watch someone attack 10 times on q2ctf1 and finally get the flag out to see that :)

I just saw a bit of CS and some guy stood and looked at a frigging doorway for 20s, which coincidentally was as long as it took for me to stop watching the tripe :)

"I just saw a bit of CS and some guy stood and looked at a frigging doorway for 20s, which coincidentally was as long as it took for me to stop watching the tripe :) "

haha :D

Please, please, please, don't base the team game on CS. CS is boring to watch. By standardizing you can afford to put a more complex/interesting/fast game, because people will eventually learn or understand the game. I'm not talking about a super fast, skilled game (you have RtCW, ET or CTF for that), but something more spicy, strategical and fun to watch than CS.

As people have already stated, getting community feedback is all well and good on paper, but in reality you end up with people bending the game towards their strengths. I mean will those involved be able to take part in the tournements? surely that is unfair?

I remember when pk++ was being made and alot of top players were suggesting changes to it, All that happened was people asked for changes that suited them and thats only natural. I sucked with the stake gun, i wanted its damage reduced massivly, others who were good with the gun felt it balanced the game.

Anyway, I think the 5v5 should be rtcw based, as it has the best teamplay of any game. and ofcourse i rocked at it :) surprise surprise.

http://www.thecpl.com/severity/romero.wmv

Here's an idea for the CPL:

1) Take all the ideas from the online and LAN based competitions and make a singleplayer career mode that involves leagues/ladders/tournaments and all the things around them like economy and teammanagement.

2) Make it so you can earn singleplayer sponsorships in the game. The sponsorship companies would be real companies that could be sold a sponsorspot in the game depending on their financial contribution to the game.

3) A solid multiplayergame needs alot of good components like good gameplay, anticheat program, serverprograms for windows and linux, serverhandler program, statsprograms, multiview demorecording and multiplayer game TV.

4) Weapons, lots and lots of weapons that will allow variation in the gameplay. It gets boring sometimes when only one weapon is used all the time.

really good ideas man!

excellent

don't include any blood or gibs. and get a decent name ..
or just release a special q3 standalone cpl version.

Yeah please. No blood or gibs or smth like that so that us germans can play it AND see it on TV as well :D

Isn't it kinda wierd what you actually may se on german television. No comment about the subject.

??? talkshows, reality (lol?) shows and quiz shows ALL THE FUCKING TIME ???

Just get Polos/cooller/death/unkind/nobap/other russians for the duel part and you have your perfect 1vs1

Looking forward to it.

Another thought about it:
As this game will most likely have CPL tagged all over it (ads, etc), why should any other league (at least the bigger ones) pick it up?

A new competitive 1v1 and 5v5 game thats based on the q3 engine and netcode that will have continuous input from the community? If Angel and company can pull this off properly then I will take back anything bad I have ever said about the CPL. This just might be the thing we've all been looking for.

I think it would be wise of them to have a quake/ut styled 1v1, a CS styled 5v5, an ET styled 6v6 and a CTF 5v5...why have only ONE of the 5v5 styles (and i said 6v6 cause that just sounds more fun for that kind of game too me, ive never really been into them so i dont assume to know what im talking about).

the quake\ut portion should have a few key things...

-movement similar to cpma (movement should be a skill, not just holding down w). add in wall jumps(maybe)
-have 2 weapon modes for each gun
----THEY MUST BE BALANCED...every mode of every gun should be helpful in some way
-only have a few weapons that are vastly different (q3 got this right...shotgun needs to be stronger though imo).
-have the major pick ups (mega health and armors) not spawn for 15-20 seconds to allow both people a fair chance to fight for them.

perhaps they could have a second 1v1 mode more like halo (im sure youll all stop reading right about here).

-more realistic damage and movement.
-accuracy is still perfect(think halo 1)
-halo like weapons (pistol, close range rifle, sniper, shotgun, mid ranged rifle and thats it).
-its less focused on movement and map control than the quake game and more focused on strategy, location and aim(not reflexes)

CTF should be similar to the quake\ut gamemode except its ctf.

-perhaps add in a healing weapon (that heals enemies as well so that you cant spam a crowd to help your friend out)
-everything i said about the first game should apply here

the ET, objective based game mode should follow in the halo styled games footsteps, except add a few things...

-class based
-add special weapons and items for rolls like medic
-slightly faster paced movement
-similar or same weapons
-the teams should be identical
-on a map, both teams have an object instead of one team has an objective and the other team is "stop them."

CS is my current game, so i might know what im talking about by now

-CS styled should have movement similar to 1.6
-bodies instantly disappear upon death
-fewer, more balanced weapons
-a gametype similar to current cs - one team defends, one attacks, should have a point where roles switch (in cs, when the bomb is planted).
-very realistic damage(ok, maybe not VERY...but more so than anything else here.)
-recoil should not be a replica of cs. they need a new way to do it.
-walls should be less spamable than 1.6 and only slightly more than source.
-nades physics should act like they do in source(aka:realistic)

one point that id like to say applies to ALL of the game modes...

+allow lefty view models, and i think it would be cool if you could see what other people are using ala ut2k4. the world model should align with which ever one you have set upon entry of server or upon round (re)start. i play games lefty, and it just irks me...
+in the quake dm and in CTF, allow the weapon models to be completely hidden from view(cl_righthand 0 is lefty, 1 is righty, 3 is invisible on your screen, lefty world model, and 4 would be invis on view, righty on world)
+look better than q3, 1.6, or et...but not as demanding as q4, css, or quake wars.
+have an excellent server browser with plenty of filter options
+do not have the same team develop the different types except Q could do CTF and Halo could do ET...CS should be seperate for sure.
+definitly think of the spectators...have plenty of options for watching
+mouse accel is off by default
+all modes accessable from one game. a server would be able to change modes like it was changing maps.
+all games have different configs to allow for different controls.
+there would be a central server that tracks all data.

anyway, i think if they did all of that, they could appeal to everyone. sell it for 30 bucks or so and just about every person who plays FPS would be willing to buy it. id even be willing to pay 30 bucks a year for ALL of that, constant updates, stat tracking etc etc. im sure they will only do 2 modes though, instead of my 5. in that case, i would only be willing to pay once.

it's gonna be called severity, not severities =P

If they have to work on so many different game modes they'll probably end up screwing them all up. And I'd much rather see a RtCW-inspired 5v5 game mode incorporating classes and objectives than a 6v6 ET-inspired game mode... there's a big difference - and RtCW comes out of the comparison a lot better.

And eh, Halo 1v1 requiring more 'aim', 'strategy' and 'location' than a Quake or UT 1v1 match?? That's a.... unique... perspective. You should try Quake or UT 1v1 first, see if you can still claim that. I'm certain you won't.

how is that simplistic and sets a standard? i REALLY hope they don't listen to your ideas.

/callvote gameplay cpl
/callvote mode 1v1
/ready

ive thought about such an idea for a long time now
and one thing i wanna share is that you have to be careful
if you want that media can show games and tournaments
in some countries (mainly germany)
so think before of releasing a special germany (or kids)
version wich is full compatible with a grownup version
but has no blood and no real weapongfx and only robots
as enemys. so not like q4 uncompatible versions - but full compatible only with other gfx models and sprites.
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and maybe try to make the game more fps independent - so if people has a strong computer that they can play with 300,500 or 1000fps mainly the biggest possible fps available on their pc.
like in its possible in qw (which i think benefits the eyes after
playing some hours)
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as for gfx style i highly recommend a theme a bit similar to
the tactic fps titles like counterstrike, soldier of fortune 2 or other
military looking titles like americas army or rainbow six.
these games are widely spread because i think the gfx attracks
many many people, i personaly think that some vietnam or
urban theme is looking best in fps games.
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and try to stay to a professional look and feel, like cs or q3 or
q2 or qw - no "cool
or too cocky" animations or comments like i saw in some
ut2007 vids pls.

Dude, computers are bound to the refresh rate of the monitor. There's no 300, 500, 1000fps. The best someone can expect to get is usually 100. It doesn't matter you're getting like 1000fps with a game - you're only seeing around 100fps tops (or 60, 70, 80 - depends on the refresh rate).

Some games need more fps for player physics (ie, Q3), but other than that, the way you're seeing fps is a total myth.

I can tell the difference between 100 and 120 fps in Quake 3, and not from the player physics. Good CRTs will get up to 150Hz.

Great, 100, 150 - it\'s still bound to the framerate. That\'s my point. There\'s no reason in *expecting* 300, 500 or 1000 fps in a game because it won\'t make *visual* difference. One can release a game with 2000000000fps now and nobody will see a darn difference from Q3.

I see what you're saying about > 300, but chosing 100Hz as a baseline is too low.

BTW where are you getting all the backslashes from??

i try to explain it with some proofs you can test for
yourself if you like and you have the time.
for example i have an 160hz monitor @ 640x480 resolution
and 150hz @ 800x600 resolution.
so minimum good fps for 160hz for OPTIMAL movement
quality without ghosting or flickering effect is an fps above 160hz
which means around 165fps. thats why most q3 players
prefer to play with 120hz and 125fps (limited).
but if you could play with 155fps @ 150hz on the same
resolution you would not switch back. try it out
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2. download quakeworld - download ezquake client -
download a highfps config (maybe theres a new def cfg around)
. then you can play with 1000fps on 120hz @ 800x600 (1024x768)
and then come back and tell me that you think its looking
not better than when you switch to 125fps@120hz in qw after :)
or 100fps 100hz or whatever. ofc you must not use vsync !
vsync makes your mousemovement inaccurate
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the same thing is possible with painkiller - as i know fatal1ty
played at some time with 144fps @ 140 hz or something like
that. k havent tried it out with pk so far.
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im not saying that everybody can see the difference, because
i know people who sit infront of a 85hz monitor all day long.
or playing with 50fps all the time. or watch tv on a 50hz unit.
maybe then you cannot see a difference because your eyes
are not used to see something faster *g*g*
but serious im saying that you will see the difference too if
you invest your time to see what the best solutions are for
fps gaming. and thats 1005 fps @ 1000hz with 1ms mice
- because i see one backwardmovement imo in some
peoples opinion
which is that they think they have to limit the human body.
i say dont let the hardware limit the humans. only the best
hardware with no response time can show what people are
able to do - hope you see some points in here.i dont see any reason why
people should try to keep the hardware gaming
limit low. it can change the visual and feeling
quality of the games.
- one proof is this: watch around you in reality movement
in nature like trees or animals or a flying ball ...
then look at your monitor with the limited fps, and limited hz
and limited resolution for some hours.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but don't we already have the 'perfect' tournament game ? That game being Q3.

What could they possibly do to improve on it ? The tournament side of it has been in (almost) constant development from Rhea and arqon etc for 6 years or so. Other companies have tried and failed to deliver the 'Q3 beater' so why do the CPL think they can do any different ?

They might try adding a team co-op style mode to try and attract the CS players and turn it into an all in one package, but Q3 has seen it's share of CS imitating mods over the years which failed to draw them away, do they honestly think the top CS teams will jump ship and bother to learn a new game when there are still plenty of big money CS and CS:S tournaments out there ? On top of that QW:ET is out next year which will no doubt be what the RTCW teams will turn to.

The only thing Quake 3 needs (imo) is a touch up in the GFX department as it does look dated now, but how far do you take them ? Update them to the latest spec (to appease the CPL's hardware sponsors) and we end up with another Q4 that no fecker can run.

Nice touch rolling out Romero though. WE'VE STILL NOT FORGIVEN HIM FOR DAiKATANA ! ;)

"On top of that QW:ET is out next year which will no doubt be what the RTCW teams will turn to."

wrong

Some say UT99 was the perfect hardcore game!
Some say Q3 was the perfect hardcore game!
etc..

Using the Q3 engine, you have already made the game abit quakish and wont attract UT players instead to go play UT2K7 or just stay with ut99.. should be better with a new engine with a new atmosphere! ;)

Exactly. We already have the perfect Quake game, and I dare say CS/UT players feel the same about their game of choice. So how the hell the CPL think they can combine all these and do a better job than the originals is beyond me. Oh, and they aim to do it in 2 years.

yes lol! ;)

"On top of that QW:ET is out next year which will no doubt be what the RTCW teams will turn to."


Very very wrong...

If it didn't crash my computer every other time I play it, I'd have to say that warsow has loads of potential.

It's free. Its innovative movement allows for complex fights that are more vertical than anything I've ever seen. Standard un-upgraded rail, weak eb, is exactly what is needed to level the playing field in modern-day fps's and allow +forward players a fighting chance... yadda yadda.

Not to say that wsw doesn't have its problems, just that the fundamental concepts and weapons are very strong. It's the beginning of something great that a community could be built on.

Quake style FPS will stay the same as it is now imo, a relatively small , highly skilled niche in the gaming scene.
Your average joe gamer will be looking to see the games he plays on his console and that is where the MONEY will go in the long term.
Lucrative PC gaming will also only survive long term with MONEY from the BIG hw\sw developers.
I am afraid that staying with one standard game wont make any difference apart from putting off sponsors. Hence hastening FPS,s decline.
Likening FPS to Football wont wash, FPS gaming is not in footballs league as a spectator or competitor sport .

Please stop being a dick saying "I wouldn't play this game because it uses a Quake engine".

ALSO:

You can't beat Q3.

As Dane said, always anyone claimed his game the next "Q3 beated" failed misserably. The good thing here is that CPL is thinking logically and using the Q3 engine (and I hope, it uses CPMA as a base: netcode, MVD, etc). Ok, you can't beat that engine, but you can't also beat the Q3 assets (textures, sounds, models) they are just perfect, but after years of playing people forgets about it.

The game gives a perfect atmosphere mixing dungeon-ish Q1 textures and more tech based textures ala Q2. As a result you don't get bored after 5 minutes of looking at the screen (see Q4 effect). The models... Models like Visor, which are just the best one I ever seen. It just doesn't get old, even feels ok when you get hit by someone just hearing the awesome "AHH" distorted voice.
Also, the alltime classics "enemy models" like Keel and Tank-JR... just unbeatable.

The weapons also are atemporal. They don't have a futuristic, pretentious look that makes look a rocket launcher like a fuckin spaceship taking away 3/4 of the screen (I use myself cg_drawgun 0, but think about the ones that use 1, or just the spects), and at the same time, they doesn't look old.

The sounds also are teh awesomenes redefined. Theres not even a single sound that is annoying on any way ... man just take the RL sound, so powerful and so smooth at the same time (a disgusting sound would be for example Q4's RL , which sounds like a WW1 pistol, awful).

What I wanted with that post is just comment on the assets of the game. (Movement is perfect, ZTN DM6 +new maps are perfect, gameplay is perfect, also), and say that, the sum of all gives that "this was designed for MP only, arena, whatever you want to call it" feel.

And finnishing: Severity sounds crap compared to Quake. You can't even beat the name. The q, THE Q, FFS.

So: Make a Q3 remake with some better graphics here and there, more polycount models, and leave the same sounds but improve the quality. Whatever new assets or so awesome new things you want to add to innovate (see warsow models, warsow weak-power ammo) fails. Always will lack the carisma Q3 has.

You can easily beat VQ3. There are so many things wrong with VQ3 it would be hard not to.

We're not talking about VQ3, we're talking about where Q3 is now with CPMA/OSP. That's what they have to aim for (and above) otherwise we might as well stick with Q3.

And Telly, while those games certainly had their redeeming features, we're talking about tournament standard gaming here (which is what this new game is targeted at) and none of those come anywhere near Q3 from a competitive gaming POV (when you figure in all the extras added by the OSP/CPMA teams)

I highly doubt they aren't going to put in at least OSP standard stuff to be honest. What really matters at the moment is that they get the gameplay right, if they manage that then they have a success. I'd rather play a game with good gameplay than a bad one with good features...

QW is basically tied with Q3 competitive feature wise. QW actually has set most of the standards over the years I think. Q2 probably isn't very far behind either. Doom is still lacking lots of stuff.

'You can't beat quake 3'

Q1, Q2, Duke3D, Doom + Doom2 were all way better in their own ways :).

The name really does suck though. Needs to be something chunkier and less pretentious sounding

hire czm.

i just hope the game will be free, because then the player base will be pretty big from the start. (of course only if the game aint bad.)

Can't see it being free. While they'll be saving money by not having to pay to use other peoples games, I can't imagine it would be anywhere near enough to support a team of full-time devs.

EDIT: Also when they say "All of the feedback will be used to create changes that will be published in successive, separate titles." makes it sound more a commercial venture than a simple 'release game, patch it till it's right' gift to the community

You dont increase playerbase by making it free. You increase the playerbase by making it relatively cheap and spending the cash on a good marketing firm that knows how to bribe the game review mag people ^^

perfect. nothing more to say

hope it'll be as cool as serenity.

The ultimate e-sports game would include these things IMO:

-auto match system ala battle.net
-account login tied to forums and optional in game chat(I think most hardcore guys would rather use irc/etc but this would be great to help newbies form social networks)
-built in server browser
-option for anonymous play, but servers which don't allow it as well
-stats above and beyond anything we've seen yet. there are so many possible statistics to include it's crazy. ideally the stats would be included in the demos.
-mvd demos which the server records automatically and always
-cam/proxy server like qizmo for qw
-bots

I also think a solid single player/co-op game would provide a constant draw for newbies over the years especially if new content is continually added(community will do this if it's good) and the engine is updated continuously. Plus single player could be a decent way to practice and teach skills needed in multiplayer if designed well.

-option for anonymous play, but servers which don\'t allow it as well

This is actually a good idea. Never thought of something like this before.

please learn the reply button

Well said, if it doesn't have any of this the game will be hurt a lot. Just look at games/mods that have similar systems, WC3/SC and anything on Steam.

What Severity really needs in the single player area are REAL tools to help new and experienced players practice.

- a shooting range to practice rail flicks and lg traces on moving tgts

- movement challenge courses that range from beginner to advanced. Award bronze, silver, and gold medals for completion in "x" amout of time ala Gran Turismo. Include detailed how-to's for each scenario.

- Spiter bot quality bots that are scalable in difficulty from 1 (doesn't fight back) to 100 (nearly impossible). Make these bots smart, rather than just granting them overwhelming aim.


P.S. On a side note, get rid of text-editing for configs. It's archaic, not to mention clumsy and confusing for new players. Make everything accessible through the gui. There is no excuse not to have all customization options open through a simple, clean gui interface.

Still allow text edited configs, but have a gui too!

hurrah!

Perhaps instead of having sliders to edit things in the gui perhaps numerical inputs for things like sensitivity would be good.

those features are going to be included or are they wishes? :P

in any case, great features.

im sure this game will be good, but i doubt the TDM will be good!

WE NEED WEAPON DROP .

imagine a tdm pickup game where people would share weapons . That has only happened porperly since quake2 .

CPM has it ;)

ut has it too :D

Weapon drop is only a good feature if it works well with maps. The best example being Q2DM2 Tokay's Towers.

So after turning his wife into a bimbo, screwing his marriage up and burying the careers of most of his employees on Diakatana, I see Jon is gracing us with his presence....

How, reassuring. Long live the savior of FPS gaming o_0

I don't know how much Romero will have to do with it, if anything(doesn't seem like much info ATM). He mentioned Tom Mustaine, but I'm not quite sure of his role either.

Tom Mustaine info:
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,23505/

Nothing really impressive, but it at least shows he is competent. I like that he worked on original Doom stuff which I still think is some of the best straight shooter single player and co-op around.

That's unfair, Romero was a big part of the Quake 1 magic, the guy's a necessary part of a team to make a great game, he's just not a project manager.

and romero left his wife not the other way around!

He's an arrogant dick and anything he touches ends smothered in shite unless it's carried by someone else.

The Romero Hype-MachineTM coming to CPL is not a good thing with FPS gaming in the extremely vunerable state it's in atm - a time when it's got everything to prove, little to gain and a bucket load to lose.

Let's home the rest of the team is strong enough to pull this one off before Daikatana syndrome kicks in...

Firstly, I don't think he's actually making it. Romero is on the CPL "board" thingy and is simply announcing this as far as I can tell.

I do hope you're right...

Lot of that does ring true, but the main thing I worry about is that Romero, and Mustaine if they are going to be on this is that they are older guys. I'm not sure if they can be as successful as younger, and fresher developers. I'd rather see the CPL take a chance, than end up with a generic yet solid game by going with the old hands.

It's more that they're the wrong older guys... If you're gonna take names then they need to be reliable with solid achievements under their belt. Paul Steed, Tim Wiltis, Brandon James, John Carmack, Dan Golding, Rich Jacques, arQon, Trent Reznor, American Mcgee and Steve Polge for some AI.

There you go - FPS dream team ;)

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I don't know whether it's the skeptic in me but this idea makes no sense...

Rather than reinvent the wheel, why not show some leadership and commit to a game in much the same way the CPL has been committed to counter-strike.

Game development is a lot of money to fund, I don't see why you would want to start from scratch and replicate games that have been out for the better half of a decade, when the stated goal (It has chance to create a franchise that will define the sole discipline, the 'de facto' standard, that competitive gaming has been longing for.) could just as easily be achieved by an announcement and a commitment to a couple of games. The CPL more than anyone should know by now that new doesn't necessarily mean better.

If the other comps/tourneys don't use Severity, then its probably a waste of time, since gamers playing one game won't have enough time to prepare for another game [like fat & toxic with q4 to q3]

Good point, what's more likely to be the definitive gaming platform, an unaffiliated game, or one created by your competition.

It wont work if people need to buy the game. Im not buying any new q3 engine games. The game should be free. Do you need to buy a license to compete in baseball? No you sign up to a team and you play, it costs nothing. You might need equipment to play baseball, a glove and a uniform, as you will need a computer to play Severity, but you don't need a license to play baseball. Their plan to charge money for "new versions" i.e. patches to the game only makes it worse.
I wonder if the developer is Derek Smart because that fits his model. Everytime he issues a patch he packages it as a new version and everyone has to rebuy the game.

it doesn't say it's using q3 engine, does it? only server client code.

and besides, if it really is going to be thie ultimative platform.
i think it would be cool if every 2 years or so some patch would come out to update the grafikcs, but leave everything else as it is, similar to the everquest patches that updated the grafics engine. not sure if im ok with paying money for that tho ;> maybe if it were optional

Kind of agree with cr0c0, put in ads or something in the game and make it free of charge...

I rather pay for the game than have ads all over (if it's good). Eeew.

Agree. It's possible in some way to afford a $40 game.

sure it is... but if it can jsut be downloaded more ppl will play it
so i would prefer add if that means no costs

Then think again. Where would the ads appear?

When you start up the game, you'll have to wait 2 minutes to connect to a server?

Ads will popup while playing? <-- that one would be fun :D

I know I wouldn't be pationed enough. When I watch TV I turn it of when there's a comercialbrake. I just cant stand it.

its not like i wouldnt switch channels during the commercial break ;)

but i thought about this more like the logos on the cpl-painkiller maps for example, and that wouldnt realy hurt so much imho

I wonder how they will manage to pull that off. The gaming market is huge, the percentage of people that are interested in playing "pro" shooters instead of "fun" shooters (for example serious sam) is very low, but i'd like to see the latest numbers on that.
Thats a big part in it, even if it has all the sweet tournament/spectator/management/demo/moviemaking stuff it's not going to work when its not fun to play. Gamedesign is such a hard task, it really pays of if its done right.

The gaming market is huge, the percentage of people that are interested in playing "pro" shooters instead of "fun" shooters (for example serious sam) is very low, but i'd like to see the latest numbers on that.

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Severity = CPMA stand-alone?

NIce...so a blend of True Combat: Elite (ET mod akin to CS) & q3?

looking forward to try this out :)

matchmaking is a must for this game. will help newbs play newbs and better people play better people.

yep, battlenet or die

battlenet is the only way to go. someone should really give i t a try.
i mean, just look at the games that use battlenet, ALL of them are still majorly succesful in some way or another (bw, wc3, d2) and the games are stoneold

I completley agree. I think it should be somewhat like Halo2 or B.net. A matchmaking/leveling system is what has been lacking from most FPS's in my opinion. It would help quite a bit with keeping the game alive.

You either didn\'t bother to read what I\'ve wrote and think about it or you\'re clueless.

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