How is Courtyard Conundrums a small ctf map? You can easily play 5v5 on that map.

That doesn't make it good.

While that can be argued, I agree that the poll description should be more neutral. Now it's almost as if its telling people to vote 4v4.

there small maps, w2 is pretty big but not playable on 5on5 :)

its HUGE indeed

which is also part of the reason why the map sucks :P

the map mostly sucks because it's just a patchwork of corridors
[it's obvious if you just look at the ground and not the room themselves ; and the only place which isn't a corridor is the ya ground near rl/haste, but you can't fight here cause you don't have the high ground : 3 stairs steps makes the rl/haste little rounded kind of corridor safer ; beside the bases (which are defenders delight anyway) there is nowhere to fight in this full of shit map, just lot of corridors to run and run and run and run and run and quit]

w2 is really not playable with 5v5.. 4v4 it is :)

they made me vote 4on4!!!

4v4 by a long shot. More individual skill involved as easier to follow matches. Not to mention not having to NEED that fifth player, should be more suitable for TDM teams as well if they ever considered playing some CTF.

The available maps are all 4v4 friendly, 5v5 it's chaos and less teamplay based. CTF should be teamplay based and 4v4 simply brings it out more than 5v5.

to make it simple :

4v4 = teamplay CTF

5v5 = TDM

so go 4v4.

All gametypes should be 4on4. Always should've been.

In the U.S. they've stuck to 4on4 for Q3 CTF, TDM and CA and it really helped.
Same clans could play TDM, CA or CTF with the exact same lineup, gameplay was less chaotic in both CTF and CA, and a lot of maps were way more playable this way.
It's also easier to mount a clan, a pickup, a quick scrim...

I've been saying it for ages, 4on4 all the way.

sorry, all your points are valid but we don't support having a clue here. :<

Especially not CB admins :)

8(

I tried so often already to get a 4v4 CTF community going in Europe.
the Q3CTF summercup 4v4's on ClanBase that I've organised were always a succes, every single time.....

but still many of the (mainly low end division) clans always demanded a 5v5 league again in the next seasons and with supervisors of cups usually being the ones from the lower div clans, they always kept the 5v5 format in any league and cup......

in Q3 a 4v4 would already have been better. less spam, less cessing and more teamplay and also more room for real individual skill instead of 5 men defenses etc.....

so boring.

we really need QL CTF to be 4v4 so it wont fall victim again to the funfdef tactics

"we really need QL CTF to be 4v4 so it wont fall victim again to the funfdef tactics"

We will adapt and make it vier def!

No, do it vier-ein-halb

Ok so why was this cup 5on5?

http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=1697

Because of the admins and the stubborn osp ctf players.

Yes but Right said lower div clans wanted 5on5, that was EuroCup. Also both supervisors were players in high skilled clans :)

aka stubborn ospers.

I wanted 4v4.
cb cup bozos didnt.
people from the vote that was held did not want a 4v4 but a 5v5

JUST PLAY TDM! :D

voted 4v4 due to no "lol qlctf" option.

this^

Same shit here.

Basically this should be

Europe vs North America

thought so, too. but seems like it is eu+na vs stubborn ppl

no in europe we prefer play on 4v4 when the map are made for!

so pls all admin for everycup put this format for CTF 4v4 pwn

Well there's no reason to say people that don't vote 4v4 are stubborn or 'retarded'. It's an opinion and well the majority is picking 4v4, so it's pretty obvious what most people like 4v4 more than 5v5.

The current maps just favor 4v4 more than 5v5. ctf7, ctf8 (siberia), c2 and w2 are just based on the concept of 4v4. As soon as you enter a fifth on both sides, most maps become too crowded due to each team having more or less a '2nd mid player'. You'll have 8 people on mid instead of 6.

Overall you'll have an average of ~2 to 4 people battling it out in mid with a 4v4 format. With 5v5 this tends to be a solid 5 to 6. So you'll have 3v3 shooting at each other with mostly rails constantly. Where in 4v4 you'll tend to have more 1v1 and 2v2 situations, making it more vital to win those battles, because it will give you control for a while. In 5v5 teams can constantly rush a mid with players before everyone is killed, making it a DM7 TDM like game.

Just my view on why it should be 4v4 and not 5v5. Including the whole 4v4 for all modes is kinda handy as well for all teams.

rofl fucking noobs 4v4?