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250 FPS S6 starts Sunday; fire_bot replaces baksteen (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 14:30 UTC, 22 October 2026 - iMsg

250 FPS Quake Live League Season 6 Division 1 begins on Sunday, 25 October, with fire_bot replacing baksteen in the 12-player field.

fire_bot finished runner-up in the second and fourth qualifiers. The final lineup is cYpheR, AGENT, ash, pavel, k1llsen, cherepoff, Spart1e, H3LLDOWN, ARSENY, Fog, Nitrino and fire_bot.

The organisers are also assembling Division 2, which will have a $300 prize pool and additional prizes supplied by Redragon.

Sources: Plus Forward, citing the Quake250FPS announcement.

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proZaC and baksteen discuss Quake's future (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 14:30 UTC, 22 October 2026 - iMsg

Frontier Gaming has interviewed proZaC and baksteen ahead of its first Quake Live One Map Cup, with both discussing the format and the difficulty of bringing new players into arena FPS.

proZaC sees the short preparation window as a test of creativity and adaptation, but doubts that a new format can revive Quake Live given its demanding learning curve. His advice to newcomers is to find someone of similar ability, improve together and watch demos.

baksteen sees the cup as a chance to test maps for use in other leagues. He expects preparation time and the ability to learn quickly to decide the winners. On Quake's future, he argues that classic gameplay can still work with modern presentation, proper tutorials and matchmaking.

Both interviews were published on 21 October. Frontier One Map Cup #1 takes place on 24 October, with all matches played on Tortured - Frontier Edition.

Sources: proZaC, baksteen.

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phaze beats Keltz twice to win EGB QC Cup #12 (1 comment)
Posted by Demiurge @ 14:30 UTC, 22 October 2026 - iMsg

phaze won EGB QC Cup #12 in Quake Champions on 18 October, beating Keltz 3-0 in the grand final. The $75 prize pool paid $60 to phaze and $15 to Keltz.

phaze defeated k1llsen 2-1 and Yup 2-1 on the way to the winners final, where he beat Keltz 2-1. Keltz returned through the lower final with a 2-0 win over k1llsen, but could not take a map in the title rematch.

k1llsen finished third and Yup fourth in the 19-player online tournament.

Sources: results and bracket, Plus Forward report.

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k1llsen gets revenge on ash in EGB Cup #72 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 14:29 UTC, 22 October 2026 - iMsg

k1llsen won EGB Cup #72 in Quake Live on 17 October, returning from the lower bracket to beat ash 3-1 in the grand final.

ash had won their winners-final meeting 2-0. k1llsen then beat AGENT 2-1 in the lower final before taking the rematch against ash. AGENT finished third, with pavel fourth.

It is k1llsen's first victory in the regular EGB Quake Live duel series since Cup #51 on 2 May.

Sources: Plus Forward report and bracket.

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Serious Sam: The Third Encounter announced (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 14:29 UTC, 22 October 2026 - iMsg

Croteam and Devolver Digital have announced Serious Sam: The Third Encounter for PC, continuing directly from the events of The Second Encounter.

The new game sends Sam into Mental's forces across alien worlds, with returning weapons, new additions to the arsenal and large enemy hordes. Players can tackle it alone or in co-op; the Steam listing includes online co-op and shared/split-screen support.

The project is in early development. No release date has been announced, and wishlisting is available on Steam.

Sources: official Steam page, announcement coverage and teaser.

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FURIA wins Thunderpick with 3-2 victory over BetBoom (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 14:29 UTC, 22 October 2026 - iMsg

FURIA won the Thunderpick World Championship 2026 in Counter-Strike 2, defeating BetBoom 3-2 in the grand final on 18 October.

The eight-team event ran from 14 to 18 October at the BLAST Studio in Malta, with a $1 million combined player and club prize pool.

FURIA reached the final with a 2-0 semifinal win over Aurora. BetBoom beat Falcons 2-1 in the other semifinal, while Aurora took third place by defeating Falcons 2-1.

Sources: BLAST tournament results, Pichau Arena.

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Site summary for week ending 16 Oct (No comments)
Posted by ESReality @ 23:00 UTC, 18 October 2026 - iMsg
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TF2 shortens Holyhell rounds and buffs Zombie Pyro (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:44 UTC, 17 October 2026 - iMsg

Valve's 16 October Team Fortress 2 update changes Holyhell and six Zombie Infection maps. The patch installs automatically when the game is restarted.

Holyhell's round timer is reduced to five minutes, with shorter respawn waves. The team that loses the middle point gains respawning spells on its side, while gargoyles now spawn near middle. The map also receives visual fixes and optimisation work.

Zombie Pyro's melee damage rises from 45 to 65. Sticky Spew applies a 20% movement slow, with another 20% while standing in its enlarged puddles. Pyro's death explosion now deals 50 damage and causes afterburn.

Zombie Sniper's Spit cooldown falls from nine seconds to six. Other fixes address invisible player models in DirectX 8, Zombie Engineer beacon placement, excessive Zombie Spy damage and slow movement after using abilities.

Source: Valve patch notes.

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ESIC replaces 2xplayN suspension with lifetime ban (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:44 UTC, 17 October 2026 - iMsg

ESIC announced on 16 October that Palkovics "2xplayN" Tamas is banned for life from covered ESIC and member competitions in any capacity, replacing the three-year suspension imposed in the NOMERCY match-manipulation case.

The revised sanction follows public posts showing apparent cash alongside comments about the findings, betting payouts and a return to competition. ESIC found that his conduct during suspension constituted further integrity breaches. The lifetime ban removes his previously scheduled April 2029 return, with no cooperation-based reduction applied to the new sanction.

ESIC explicitly stated that the photographs alone do not establish that the money shown came from match-fixing. The commission also said it would refer the sanctioned conduct to Valve, government agencies and law enforcement.

Source: ESIC.

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Steam beta separates DLC and seasonal achievements (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:36 UTC, 17 October 2026 - iMsg

Valve has introduced achievement sets in the Steam client beta, allowing developers to group achievements for a game's base campaign, DLC, seasons or other content separately.

Each set tracks its own completion progress. In games that adopt the feature, additional DLC or seasonal achievements can sit outside the base-game set, so players can retain that set's 100% completion without earning every later addition.

The redesigned achievements page brings progress information together and allows direct comparisons with up to three friends at once. Support depends on developers organising their games' achievements into sets; the change does not automatically separate every game's existing list.

The feature is currently available through the Steam client beta.

Sources: Valve announcements, PC Gamer.

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Bloodrun adds Slash with Crouch Slide and Plasma Trail (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:36 UTC, 17 October 2026 - iMsg

Bloodrun's 16 October build adds Slash as a playable gladiator, bringing Crouch Slide and Plasma Trail from her Quake Champions counterpart.

Holding crouch on landing starts a slide that preserves movement speed. Her active ability lays a damaging plasma trail, with three seconds to place it and another three seconds to trigger its explosion. Bots can also use both abilities.

The update refreshes four arenas and adds a HUD arc near the crosshair to show ability information, including Slash's slide charge and Angel's countdown to invisibility. A new Setup > Gladiators section provides ability effect settings.

Existing players can install the build through the Bloodrun launcher.

Sources: Bloodrun changelog, Plus Forward.

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Strongsage wins Estoty #222 for his 14th title (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:36 UTC, 17 October 2026 - iMsg
United States of AmericaStrongsage won Estoty Duel Tournament #222 in Quake Champions on 16 October, beating Germanyk1llsen 3-1 in the grand final. It is his 14th title in the series and his first since #219.

Strongsage beat RussiabaSe 2-0 in the upper semifinals, then defeated k1llsen 2-0 in the winners final. k1llsen returned to the final with a 2-0 win over baSe, who finished third, but lost the rematch against Strongsage.

Strongsage remains fourth on the series' all-time winners list, behind baSe with 70 titles, RAISY with 47 and Keltz with 33.

Source: plusforwardPlus Forward.
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QuakeWorld one-day 2v2 cup set for October 24 (1 comment)
Posted by Demiurge @ 00:24 UTC, 16 October 2026 - iMsg

The US Doom and Quake Community will host a one-day QuakeWorld 2v2 tournament on Saturday, 24 October.

The format is double elimination, with best-of-one matches and a best-of-three grand final to keep the cup within one evening. Maps are assigned by round. The pool is Ultrav, ZTNDM3, Aerowalk, Bravado and DM2.

Signups are through the community's Discord; see the organiser's announcement for the signup link.

Source: US Doom and Quake Community announcement.

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Church of Quake hosts Sacrifice cup on October 24 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 00:24 UTC, 16 October 2026 - iMsg

Church of Quake will run an online Quake Champions 4v4 Sacrifice Tournament Edition cup on Saturday, 24 October. Players sign up individually, then captains select teams through a snake draft. The advertised prize pool is $150.

The first 32 signups are guaranteed places, making eight teams. Further signups go on reserve unless the field reaches 64, allowing sixteen teams.

The bracket is double elimination. Upper-bracket matches and the lower final are best of three, other lower-bracket matches best of one, and the grand final best of five.

Players must join the Church of Quake Discord. Coverage is planned on the community's Twitch channel, and other casters are welcome to contact the organisers.

Links: Sign up, Twitch.

Source: Church of Quake, including Discord and current signup links.

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k1llsen wins fifth EGB QC duel title at Cup #11 (2 comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 00:24 UTC, 16 October 2026 - iMsg
Germanyk1llsen won EGB QC Cup #11 on 11 October, beating United States of AmericadramiS 3-2 in the grand final. Sixteen players took part in the online Quake Champions tournament. The $75 pool paid $60 to k1llsen and $15 to dramiS.

k1llsen did not lose a series. He beat creeep_06487 2-0, NRAV 2-0 and RussiaSt0n3 2-1 before taking the winners final against dramiS 2-0. dramiS returned through the lower final with a 2-1 win over BelaruscYpheR, then lost the rematch. cYpheR finished third and ArgentinaYup fourth.

It is k1llsen's fifth title in the EGB Quake Champions duel series. SwedenKeltz and United States of AmericaStrongsage have three each.

Source: plusforward Plus Forward results, report.
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Frontier reveals Tortured for $500 One Map Cup (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 00:24 UTC, 16 October 2026 - iMsg

Update, 22 October: Frontier has revealed Tortured - Frontier Edition as the map for One Map Cup #1 and confirmed a $500 prize pool. The Quake Live duel tournament takes place on Saturday, 24 October, with the event scheduled for 11:00-16:00 UTC.

Every match will be played on the same map. It was revealed on 19 October, giving entrants five days to prepare. Tortured - Frontier Edition adapts thefury's Quake III Arena map Tortured, originally released in 2010.

Download the map from the Steam Workshop.

Registration is open on the Frontier website. The tournament format will depend on the number of registered players. Cyber, Input and Steemorol are organising the event, with coverage planned on cyb3rway's Twitch channel.

Links: Registration, Twitch, Frontier Telegram.

Sources: Plus Forward map reveal, 250FPS.

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Steam improves startup and adds Big Picture options (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 21:43 UTC, 15 October 2026 - iMsg

Valve released a Steam client update on 13 October with improved startup performance and new options for Big Picture mode. The update downloads automatically.

Big Art Mode adds a larger artwork presentation to the home screen and can be enabled under Settings > Home. The Recommended tab also gains the Personal Calendar.

Big Picture now supports screensavers under Settings > Customization. The default slideshow can display artwork from recently played games and recent screenshots. A bouncing Steam logo is the other built-in option, and custom screensavers are supported too.

The update also changes startup behaviour so the Steam main window avoids taking focus if another window was activated during startup or login, and fixes the onscreen keyboard failing to work on its first desktop invocation.

Sources: Valve - Steam Client Update, October 13, PC Gamer.

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Thunderpick opens in Malta; Falcons reach playoffs (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 21:43 UTC, 15 October 2026 - iMsg

The Thunderpick World Championship 2026 began in Malta on 14 October, with eight CS2 teams competing for a $1 million combined player and club prize pool. The event runs through 18 October.

All four opening series ended 2-0: 9z beat Aurora, Falcons beat Ninjas in Pyjamas, Legacy beat PARIVISION and FURIA beat BETBOOM.

On 15 October, Falcons beat 9z 2-1 to secure a playoff place. Aurora stayed alive by beating NIP 2-0, eliminating the Swedish organisation's team from the event.

The group stage uses two four-team double-elimination groups, with two teams from each advancing. Group matches and playoff semifinals are best of three; the grand final is best of five. The winners receive $500,000, split equally between player prize money and the club share.

Sources: HLTV event guide, opening-day results, Falcons qualify, NIP eliminated, Liquipedia, PR Newswire.

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Modern Warfare 4 skips Game Pass at launch (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 21:43 UTC, 15 October 2026 - iMsg

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 4 launches on 23 October as a separate purchase and will not be included with Game Pass at launch. Activision confirmed on 15 October that Game Pass availability is planned for Holiday 2027.

Digital pre-orders include campaign early access from 16 October and DMZ early access from 20 October. Existing Call of Duty titles, including Black Ops 7, Black Ops 6 and Modern Warfare III, remain available to Game Pass Ultimate subscribers.

Sources: Activision, GamesRadar.

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Epic launches Linux preview, plans Fortnite support (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 21:42 UTC, 15 October 2026 - iMsg

Epic released a preview of its rebuilt Epic Games Launcher on 14 October for Windows, macOS and, for the first time, Linux. It includes a redesigned library, connections to other PC game libraries and more detailed download management.

Epic describes the client as "vibe coded" and claims a cold start to the store is 46% faster than Steam. That is Epic's comparison, not an independent benchmark here. The client is still a preview with a limited feature set.

Fortnite is not available on Linux yet. Epic is rebuilding its anti-cheat implementation as EAC Linux v2 and working with distribution maintainers before bringing the game over. Fortnite will be the first pilot, with support for other developers to follow after validation.

The requirements include TPM 2.0, Secure Boot and signed kernels and modules. EAC Linux v2 uses existing kernel security features, eBPF and a service active during protected games, rather than installing its own kernel module. Steam Deck does not currently meet the requirements; Epic says it is talking with Valve about future support.

Sources: Epic Games Store, Epic Online Services, PC Gamer.

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Richard "Levelord" Gray has died (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 21:42 UTC, 15 October 2026 - iMsg

Richard "Levelord" Gray, the level designer known for Duke Nukem 3D, Quake: Scourge of Armagon and SiN, has died. Apogee Entertainment announced his death on 13 October.

Gray joined the Duke Nukem 3D team after making Doom maps. After Duke shipped in 1996, he co-founded Hipnotic Interactive, later renamed Ritual Entertainment. His subsequent credits included Star Trek: Elite Force II and Counter-Strike: Condition Zero.

Apogee founder Scott Miller recalled hiring Gray after seeing his Doom levels, and paid tribute to his talent, dedication and willingness to help other designers. John Romero was among the developers who also paid tribute.

Sources: Apogee Entertainment, PC Gamer.

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LG Train - lightning gun tracking trainer for ioquake3 (No comments)
Posted by grinya @ 10:43 UTC, 14 October 2026 - iMsg
Rules
- Lightning gun only, infinite ammo, no pickups.
- Hits heat the target instead of damaging it. At full heat the target gibs. Default: 20 consecutive hits (~1 s).
- Heat drains quickly once the beam is off.
- Heat is shown as a shell on the target and a bar under the crosshair.
- Tuning: g_heatPerHit, g_heatCoolDelay, g_heatCoolRate.

Play
ioquake3 +set fs_game lgtrain +map q3dm6 +addbot sarge 2

Requires ioquake3 and retail Quake 3 data.
Download: github.com/amaslakov/lgtrain/releases
Source: github.com/amaslakov/lgtrain

Online play works, but there is no lag compensation.
Based on rx-mikkel's instagib fork. Feedback welcome.
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Quake3e #3 (No comments)
Posted by Cyrax @ 08:13 UTC, 14 October 2026 - iMsg
Download Link

This is a modern Quake 3 engine to play and host Quake III Arena mods, delivering fixes and updates over years.

Key features:
* Countless usability, netcode, security, performance, memory usage improvements
* Optimized OpenGL renderer
* Optimized Vulkan renderer
* Unified physics between 32 and 64-bit systems, minimized mispredictions with original VQ3
* SOTA-level fast and secure QVM implementation for x86/x86_64, armv7l/aarch64, powerpc64 platforms
* Best-performer from legacy hardware to modern systems with Vulkan support
* No fake frames, No RT, no DLSS and similar disrupting and performance tanking stuff
* Can still run on Win98, widest possible OS compatibility is an explicit intent

I wouldn't bother to do even brief listing of hundreds of changes being made since last announcement, just visit download link and leave your questions/suggestions/code, as usual.

Support Ukraine
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Ai Bot (10 comments)
Posted by cloned @ 21:44 UTC, 13 October 2026 - iMsg
Not sure where else to go with that stupid idea but,

@elonmusk DeepMind beat StarCraft and Quake 3 CTF, but nobody has ever dared to build an AI for the ultimate 1v1 psychological chess match: Quake Duel. Limit Grok's aim and reaction time to human pro levels and let it face @liquidrapha on Blood Run / Campgrounds. As an OG Quake player yourself – can xAI solve 1v1 Arena FPS?“

Like I would definitely watch that match. Also feel free to adjust the message.
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Site summary for week ending 09 Oct (No comments)
Posted by ESReality @ 23:00 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg
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AMD says FSR 4 reaches laptops and handhelds in 2026 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:21 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg

AMD says FSR 4 will reach APUs, gaming laptops, and handhelds by the end of 2026. Jack Huynh, who runs the company's computing and graphics group, told Korean press, including The Elec, that the machine-learning upscaler is moving off discrete cards and onto the rest of the lineup.

The plan is two tracks. Existing APUs get a lighter model built for integrated graphics. New APUs, still not named, are meant to run FSR 4 natively. Huynh said the light model is aimed at image quality and low latency on chips that cannot carry the desktop version.

FSR 4 launched on RDNA 4 desktop cards. RDNA 3 desktop cards picked it up later. Official support for RDNA 2 desktop cards, the same generation as the Steam Deck, was already set for 2027, and this briefing did not say that date moved. Valve has talked about FSR 4 on the Steam Machine. It has not committed the Steam Deck.

Source: The Verge

Edited by Demiurge at 19:36 UTC, 11 October 2026 - 718 Hits
Squadron 42 opens Steam wishlists for Q2 2027 (1 comment)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:21 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg

Cloud Imperium Games put Squadron 42 on Steam on 10 October. Wishlists are open. The page lists a planned release of Q2 2027, and no price. Chris Roberts moved the target out of late 2026 so the single-player game would not land in the same window as Grand Theft Auto VI.

It is a standalone story in the Star Citizen setting, year 2945, on StarEngine. You enlist as a rookie in the UEE Navy, live on a capital ship, and the brief is space combat, fighting on foot, stealth, and time with the crew. The cast, on performance capture, includes Mark Hamill, Gary Oldman, Gillian Anderson, Henry Cavill, Ben Mendelsohn, and Andy Serkis. The game has been in development for more than a decade.

The Steam minimum is Windows 11, a quad-core back to an Intel Sandy Bridge i7 or an AMD Bulldozer, 16 GB of RAM, a DirectX 11.1 card with 8 GB of VRAM, and 150 GB of disk. The recommended column only says a 64-bit processor and operating system.

Source: Steam and Eurogamer

Edited by Demiurge at 19:36 UTC, 11 October 2026 - 756 Hits
Garriott takes the Ultima copyrights back in 2027 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:21 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg

Richard Garriott says the Ultima copyrights return to him in 2027. He sold Origin Systems, and the series with it, to Electronic Arts in 1992. The last mainline game was Ultima IX in 1999.

US copyright law lets an author terminate a transfer 35 years later. No money changes hands. The author has to give a year's notice. Garriott says he wrote to EA in April and told them he was taking the copyrights back. They wrote back that they know the law and will act accordingly. He says the two sides are now in active talks about whether there is anything to do together before the date.

What he says he could do, once the copyrights are his, is re-release the earlier Ultimas or make a sequel. Neither is a project yet. He has most of a year to decide what the return actually means.

Source: VGC

Photo: Richard Garriott at the 2018 Game Developers Conference, by Game Developers Conference, CC BY 2.5, resized. Wikimedia Commons.

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GTA 6 leaker threatens a full playable build (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:21 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg

A full playable build of Grand Theft Auto VI is not public. The person or group posting as Cyberleek says that can change.

On 10 October they posted an offer. If a memecoin tied to the name hits a $30 million market cap, "the build goes out - full story mode, played to the end, credits and all." Take-Two can stop it, the post says, with physical discs and a public apology. No outlet has the file, and Rockstar and Take-Two have not answered this one.

Footage under the same name has been out since 18 August. Rockstar called those clips heartbreaking on 26 August and kept the 19 November release. This week the account was credited with about 25 minutes more, including first-person driving and mission scenes. Rockstar has not said that newer cut is theirs.

The disc demand is aimed at a decision Rockstar already made. Boxed copies ship with a download code, not a disc. Strauss Zelnick has compared discs for a game this size to vinyl. Standard is $80, Ultimate is $100, on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S. Preload starts 12 November.

Take-Two subpoenaed Microsoft, Discord, Google, and X in August while it looked for who had the footage.

Source: Forbes and GamesIndustry.biz

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k1llsen wins Estoty #221 from the lower bracket (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:04 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg
Germany k1llsen won Estoty Duel Tournament #221 on 9 October, beating Russia baSe 3-2 in the grand final. 18 players, online. The $100 pool paid $40 to k1llsen, $25 to baSe, $15 to Sweden Keltz, $10 to Argentina maxter, and $5 each to Russia St0n3 and Czech Republic Thri11er.

Double elimination: best of three up top, best of one in the lower bracket, best of five in the final. The map pool was Awoken, Blood Covenant, Blood Run, Corrupted Keep, Ruins of Sarnath, The Molten Falls and Vale of Pnath.

k1llsen beat Kazakhstan 1eroy 2-0. His winners-bracket match against baSe is scored -1:0. From the lower bracket he beat Russia PepCo 1-0, Russia Artemka 1-0, St0n3 1-0 and maxter 1-0, then beat Keltz 2-1 in the lower final.

baSe reached the final without a series loss, including a 2-1 over maxter and a 2-0 over Keltz, and started the grand final a map ahead. k1llsen won three of the four maps played and took the series 3-2. It is his fifth Estoty title. baSe still leads that list with 70. Keltz finished third, maxter fourth.

United States of America Strongsage came in as the top seed, rated 2441, and finished 13th. His matches against Russia Coffee by Tomo and PepCo are both scored -1.

Source: Toornament
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Keltz wins NAQCL #76 for a 14th title (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:04 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg
Sweden Keltz won NAQCL Duel Tournament #76 on 10 October, beating Argentina maxter 3-0 in the grand final. 12 players, online, ping uncapped. The $100 pool paid $50 to Keltz, $30 to maxter and $20 to United States of America dramiS.

Double elimination: best of three, best of one in the lower bracket, best of five in the final.

klyb's winners-bracket opener is scored 0:-1. Keltz then beat Argentina Yup 2-1 and dramiS 2-0, and closed the final in three maps.

maxter beat Germany Rohm 2-0 and lost the winners semi 0-2 to dramiS. His lower-bracket matches against Czech Republic Thri11er and Yup are both scored -1. He beat dramiS 2-1 in the lower final and lost the rematch 0-3. dramiS finished third. Yup was fourth. Russia St0n3 and Thri11er were joint fifth.

The title is Keltz's 14th, and his fourth win in the last five. He won #72, #73 and #74. United States of America Strongsage ended that run at #75 on 3 October, 3-0 in the final. dramiS still leads the series with 32 titles. Strongsage has 11, and was absent from the #76 field.

Source: Church of Quake
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AGENT beats ash, wins EGB Cup #71 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:04 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg
Russia AGENT won EGB Cup #71 on 10 October, beating Russia ash 3-1 in the grand final. 12 players, online. The pool paid $55: $44 to AGENT, $11 to ash.

Double elimination. Upper-bracket matches were best of three, lower-bracket matches best of one. The final went to four maps.

AGENT did not drop a series. He beat Russia rell 2-0, Germany k1llsen 2-0 and Belarus cYpheR 2-0, then took the final 3-1.

ash beat Russia pavel 2-0 and lost the winners semi 0-2 to cYpheR. From the lower bracket he beat Russia cherepoff 1-0 and k1llsen 1-0, then beat cYpheR 2-0 in the lower final. cYpheR finished third, k1llsen fourth. cherepoff and Russia dazator were joint fifth. pavel and rell were joint seventh.

The map pool was Aerowalk, Battleforged, Bloodrun, Delirium, Furious Heights, House of Decay, Silence, Sinister and Toxicity.

This is AGENT's second cup in a row, and his fifth win in the last six regular Quake Live duel cups. He won #65, #66, #67 and #70. cYpheR won #68. Cup #69 was TDM 2v2, won by pavel and Nitrino.

Source: EGB
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Fog takes third 250 FPS S6 qualifier (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 19:04 UTC, 11 October 2026 - iMsg
Belarus Fog won 250 FPS Season 6 Qualifier 3 on 11 October, beating Russia dazator 3-0 in the grand final. The prize is a Division 1 slot, the third of four.

17 players, online. Double elimination: best of one in the lower bracket, best of three in the upper bracket, best of five in the final. The map pool was Aerowalk, Battleforged, Bloodrun, Cure, Delirium, Furious Heights, Hektik, Lost World, Silence, Sinister and Toxicity.

Fog did not drop a map. He beat Belarus BLR_BY 2-0, Ukraine Radist_dk 2-0, Lithuania fire_bot 2-0 and dazator 2-0, then closed the final 3-0.

dazator beat Poland STING 2-0, Russia St0n3 2-0 and Russia rell 2-1, lost the winners final, and beat fire_bot 2-1 in the lower final. The rematch was over in three maps. fire_bot finished third. rell was fourth: 2-1 down to dazator in the winners semi, then 0-1 to fire_bot on the way back.

Fog missed the Season 5 top eight. He went out 9th-12th in qualifier 1 on 27 September and finished third in qualifier 2 on 4 October, where Russia ARSENY beat him 2-1 in the winners final.

Eleven of the twelve Division 1 places are filled. Fog joins Russia H3LLDOWN, ARSENY and the eight invites: Russia AGENT, Belarus cYpheR, Germany k1llsen, Russia cherepoff, Russia pavel, Russia ash, baksteen and Sweden Spart1e. Qualifier 4 is on 18 October.

Source: EGB
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Dark Ages adds free Slaughter Mode in November (1 comment)
Posted by Demiurge @ 16:38 UTC, 6 October 2026 - iMsg

id Software will add a free Slaughter Mode to DOOM: The Dark Ages - Revelations in November. Game director Hugo Martin announced it on the 1 October Slayers Club Live. There is still no day inside the month. It is free for Revelations owners, and it is not in the base game.

A run is endless and single-player. Rounds escalate, and the demons, bosses, and arenas are randomized. The mode keeps a personal best by score and by round reached. id said it has no backend, so there is no global leaderboard.

Every ten rounds is a checkpoint, where you cash in skulls earned on the way there. Cosmetics unlock as you go, and weekly challenges add another score to chase. The stream pitched it as a place to keep using the Revelations combat, Chain Spear included, past a campaign replay or an Ultra Nightmare and Pandemonium run.

The base game already has the Ripatorium, the arena where you pick the demons yourself. Slaughter Mode deals the fight, and the run has no set end.

Source: Slayers Club Live (IGN)

Edited by Demiurge at 19:15 UTC, 11 October 2026 - 997 Hits
ARSENY takes second 250 FPS S6 qualifier (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 16:38 UTC, 6 October 2026 - iMsg
Russia ARSENY won 250 FPS Season 6 Qualifier 2 on 4 October, beating fire_bot 3-0 in the grand final.
15 players. The prize is a Division 1 slot.
He did not drop a series: 2-0 WPHK1991, 2-0 rell, 2-0 Radist_dk, then 2-1 Fog in the winners final.
fire_bot lost 0-2 to Fog and came back through the lower bracket.

Ten of the twelve Division 1 places are filled.
He joins Russia H3LLDOWN and the eight invites: Russia AGENT, Belarus cYpheR, Germany k1llsen, cherepoff, Russia pavel, Russia ash, baksteen and Sweden Spart1e.
The last two qualifiers are 11 October and 18 October.

250 FPS put him 5th in the EGB ranking, with 3 wins in Season 5.

Source: 250 FPS
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Germany wins the QL European Nations Cup (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 16:38 UTC, 6 October 2026 - iMsg
Germany won the QL European Nations Cup after the TDM leg on 4 October.
Three online Sundays: CTF on 20 September, duel on 27 September, TDM on 4 October.

Russia Russia won TDM and beat Germany Germany 2-0 in the grand final.
Germany were second, the United Kingdom UK third, Sweden Sweden #1 fourth.
Russia went 12-0 on maps.

Germany finish on 24 (CTF 7, duel 10, TDM 7).
Russia are second on 16 (1, 5, 10). The UK are third, also on 16 (10, 1, 5).
Sweden #1 are on 10.
Benelux Benelux 6, Slovenia Slovenia 4, Denmark Denmark 3.
Poland Poland, France France, the Czech Republic Czech Republic and Sweden #2 are on 1.
Spain Spain finished on 0.

A different nation won each leg: the UK in CTF, Germany in duel, Russia in TDM.

The community pool is 500 euro.
Germany take 250 (200 for the title, 50 for the duel).
Russia take 150 (100 for second, 50 for TDM).
The UK take 100 (50 for third, 50 for CTF).

Source: House of Quake
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Astralis win Stake Ranked, first LAN since 2019 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 16:38 UTC, 6 October 2026 - iMsg
Astralis beat Nemiga 3-1 in the grand final of Stake Ranked Episode 4 on 4 October in Barcelona.
The pool is $100,000. First is $25,000. Nemiga take $17,500.
Mirage 13-6, Ancient 10-13, Nuke 13-5, Cache 13-7.

They lost the opener 1-2 to Alliance, then won five straight: FaZe 2-1, BIG 2-1, fnatic 2-0, Luminosity 2-1, Nemiga 3-1.

It is the first LAN title since the BLAST Pro Series Global Final in 2019 in Bahrain.
A different roster won Copenhagen Gaming Week in January 2024, a showmatch.

Denmark Staehr was 66-49 in the final (1.41), the series high, and 1.27 for the event.
Denmark jabbi posted 2.30 on Mirage.
Staehr was 2.02 on Nuke and took an ace clutch on Cache.
It feels nice to finally lift a trophy.
Poland NEO, to HLTV. He took the coach job in the summer.

HLTV has Astralis back in the top 10 for the first time since June.

Source: HLTV
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Site summary for week ending 02 Oct (No comments)
Posted by ESReality @ 23:00 UTC, 4 October 2026 - iMsg
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250 FPS adds a QL Season 6 Division 2 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 15:47 UTC, 3 October 2026 - iMsg

250 FPS will run a 10-player Division 2 next to Season 6 Division 1. The field is the best qualifier finishers who miss a Division 1 slot and can play. Round robin, five matches played each week, then the top six in a double-elimination playoff.

The playoff pays $300: $120 / $80 / $60 / $40. First and second also get a Division 1 invite for next season. Division 1 stays at 12: eight invited from Season 5, four from the qualifiers. H3LLDOWN took the first. The other qualifiers are 4, 11 and 18 October. No group-stage start date.

Source: 250 FPS

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phaze and rapha win EGB Cup 2v2 #4 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 15:47 UTC, 3 October 2026 - iMsg
phaze and United States of America rapha won EGB Cup 2v2 #4 on 27 September, beating DesiRo and Thri11er 3-1 in the grand final. They did not lose a series. $100: $70 / $30. dramiS and Strongsage finished third.

Upper bracket: 2-0 bukster and GaRpY, 2-0 anger and labur, 2-0 dramiS and Strongsage. DesiRo and Thri11er lost 1-2 to dramiS and Strongsage, beat them 2-0 in the losers final, and lost the rematch 1-3.

rapha's third straight EGB 2v2 title, each with a different teammate: Germany k1llsen in #2, Argentina maxter in #3, phaze in #4.

Source: EGB
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maxter wins Estoty #220 for a tenth title (1 comment)
Posted by Demiurge @ 15:47 UTC, 3 October 2026 - iMsg
Argentina maxter won Estoty Duel Tournament #220 on 2 October without losing a series, beating Sweden Keltz 3-1 in the grand final. Tenth title, one behind ZenAkU. Keltz, third all-time with 33, finished second. $100: $40 / $25 / $15 / $10 / $5. Strongsage finished third, St0n3 fourth. 1eroy and Thri11er tied fifth.

Upper bracket: 2-1 Coffee by Tomo, 2-0 St0n3, 2-1 Strongsage, 2-1 Keltz. Keltz beat Strongsage 2-0 in the losers final and lost the rematch 1-3.

Source: Estoty
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AGENT beats k1llsen twice, wins EGB Cup #70 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 15:47 UTC, 3 October 2026 - iMsg
Russia AGENT won EGB Cup #70 on 3 October without losing a series. He beat Germany k1llsen 2-1 in the winners final and 3-0 in the grand final. $50: $40 / $10. Russia ash finished third.

Upper bracket: 2-1 Russia rell, 2-0 ARSENY, 2-1 k1llsen. k1llsen beat Sweden Spart1e 2-0 and ash 2-0, lost the winners final, then beat ash 2-1 in the losers final and lost the rematch 0-3.

Source: EGB
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[Looking beta testers] Dinoblast — defrag in your browser (4 comments)
Posted by Poliakov @ 14:32 UTC, 2 October 2026 - iMsg
Hi everyone,

I'm building Dinoblast, a movement game in the spirit of Quake and defrag: strafe jumping, bunny hopping, double jumps, rocket jumps... except you play as a dinosaur. It runs straight in the browser, nothing to install:
https://dinoblast.net

A short early gameplay clip: gameplay.mp4

What the game is about today: racing (runs)
- Timed maps: straight line, slalom, ramps, circle, gaps, mazes...
- Ghosts of the best times, so you can see the lines other players take.
- A world leaderboard per map, with an auto-generated nickname (you can change it).
- Configurable keys, sensitivity and FOV, AZERTY friendly.

Work in progress
- FFA against bots: weapons to pick up (rocket launcher, railgun, lightning gun, poison grenades...), health and armor.
- Online duel.
- And, if there are enough players, TDM and CTF.

What I'm looking for
- Feedback on how the movement feels: speed, jumps, air control, rocket jumps.
- Bugs and performance issues (please mention your GPU / CPU and browser).
- Anything confusing or frustrating in your first minute of play.
- Ideas for race maps.

Under the hood
The engine is written in Rust compiled to WebAssembly, with a home-made WebGL2 renderer and a deterministic simulation at 125 Hz (replays and ghosts play back the exact same run). Optimization is a design goal, not an
afterthought
: a stable 60 fps on an Intel iGPU at 1080p, 144 fps on a mid-range GPU at 1440p, and the whole game stays under 20 MB downloaded. Every texture and model has a budget, and anything over it is refused. A good share of the
assets (textures, dinosaur models, sounds) comes out of a local generation pipeline: image, image-to-3D and audio models running on my own machine, then touched up by hand.

Feedback on Discord: https://discord.gg/dr5cJX36B

Thanks in advance, and happy running! 🦖
Edited by Poliakov at 14:36 UTC, 2 October 2026 - 2010 Hits
The Trickster Cult Presents: Sessions - Episode X (No comments)
Posted by TheTricksterCult @ 01:43 UTC, 2 October 2026 - iMsg



0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Rating: - (0 votes)
A diligent exhibit. Quake III Arena: DeFRaG freestyle compilation. Episode 10 is out now!

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1.6 Competitive 5V5 Matchmaking + FFA (No comments)
Posted by keenplify @ 22:16 UTC, 30 September 2026 - iMsg
If you miss and want to play Counter Strike 1.6 5V5, I have built a matchmaking/launcher! I am aiming to compete with Fastcup at this point.

We have a pretty new set of servers with pretty new faces who do it for the love of oldschool CS. This is compatible with whatever and wherever you get your CS 1.6.

Please try 1.6 Competitive
https://www.papamo.dev/16competitive

We have servers North America, SEA, India, and Europe East!

See you in game!
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Dinoblast, a free fast FPS that runs in the browser (2 comments)
Posted by Poliakov @ 08:33 UTC, 30 September 2026 - iMsg

Dinoblast

I've been working on Dinoblast, a fast FPS that runs in the browser: no install, no account. dinoblast.net

Movement

  • Movement inspired by QuakeWorld-style strafe jumping and bunny hopping
  • Physics at a fixed 125 Hz, independent of your framerate
  • An in-game bunny hop tutorial takes new players from 300 to 1500 u/s

Race mode (the current focus)

  • Trackmania-style: you race against your own ghost and the ghosts of the top 5 players on each map
  • World leaderboard per map, and every run is replayed on the server from its inputs before it's accepted, so there are no spoofed times
  • 8 race maps so far, including a maze

Coming next

  • More maze maps, each adding one twist: multiple floors, traps, water, teleporters
  • New race map mechanics: moving platforms, swimming, laser gates, and a track along the back of a giant diplodocus
  • Bots and FFA
  • Online duel, if enough people are interested

It's a solo project, still rough around the edges. I'm looking for feedback from people who know how movement should feel: acceleration, air control, anything that feels off.

Discord link is on the site.

Edited by Demiurge at 15:08 UTC, 3 October 2026 - 1141 Hits
Walmart sends four RTX 5070 Ti cards for one (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:43 UTC, 28 September 2026 - iMsg

Reddit user deadmanwonderland_23 says a $1,099 Walmart order for one MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 16GB arrived as four. They are the Frieren edition, listed at $1,259 on MSI's own store, so the four boxes are a bit over $5,000. The post shows four identical cartons. Walmart has not confirmed the shipment, and the buyer has not said whether the extra three were reported.

Source: Reddit

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GTA 2 gets path tracing, 27 years late (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:43 UTC, 28 September 2026 - iMsg

Modder gebdag has put path tracing on Grand Theft Auto 2, the 1999 top-down game. GTA2 RTX Remix, on Nvidia's RTX Remix, lets fires, explosions and gunfire cast light, adds a day-night cycle and 16:9, and aims frame generation at 60 fps. GTA 2 does not speak DirectX 9, so two DLLs translate. A copy of the game is still required. Rockstar gave version 9.6 away in 2004. Any GeForce RTX card can run it. A 4070 or faster is the suggestion.

Source: Tom's Hardware

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Nvidia trailer thieves get 40,000 pounds of sand (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:43 UTC, 28 September 2026 - iMsg

Thieves in Fremont, California took two PlusAI trailers because they had Nvidia logos on them. They got about half a mile, then opened the doors. Each trailer held 20,000 pounds of sand, 40,000 pounds in all. PlusAI packs the trailers that way so its Nvidia-backed autonomous trucks can practice hauling freight. The computers were in the cabs, which stayed in the warehouse. Police recovered both trailers with the sand still in them. No arrests.

Source: Wired

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pavel and Nitrino win EGB Cup #69 (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:30 UTC, 28 September 2026 - iMsg
Russia pavel and Nitrino won EGB Cup #69 on 26 September, the first QL TDM 2v2 under the pairing ban. They did not lose a series and beat Germany k1llsen and Sweden Spart1e 3-1 in the grand final. $100: $70 / $30. Belarus cYpheR and Russia rell finished third.

Upper bracket: 2-1 k1llsen and Spart1e in the winners semi, 2-1 cYpheR and rell in the winners final. k1llsen and Spart1e came back through the losers over ash and koMnoT, Russia AGENT and KAK_AGENT, then cYpheR and rell, and lost the rematch 1-3.

Source: EGB
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H3LLDOWN takes first 250 FPS S6 qualifier (No comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:30 UTC, 28 September 2026 - iMsg
Russia H3LLDOWN won 250 FPS Season 6 Qualifier 1 on 27 September, beating sCoopY_ 3-1 in the grand final. He did not lose a series: 2-1 sCoopY_ in the opener, then 2-0 Troolz, ARSENY and Radist_dk. sCoopY_ came back through the lower bracket and lost the rematch 1-3.

The win is the first Division 1 spot. Nine of the twelve places are filled. He joins Russia AGENT, Belarus cYpheR, Germany k1llsen, Russia cherepoff, Russia pavel, Russia ash, Netherlands baksteen and Sweden Spart1e. The other qualifiers are 4, 11 and 18 October. The group stage has no start date.

Source: EGB
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Germany wins QL Nations Cup duel, leads by 6 (2 comments)
Posted by Demiurge @ 13:30 UTC, 28 September 2026 - iMsg
Germany Germany won the QL Duel Nations Cup on 27 September. Germany k1llsen did not lose a series. He 2-0'd Slovenia, Sweden Sweden and Russia Russia in the upper bracket, then beat Sweden Spart1e 2-1 in the grand final. Silence was the only map he dropped: Bloodrun 3-2, Silence 3-11, Sinister 5-4.

Russia Russia, Russia ash and Russia pavel, finished third. They lost the winners final 0-2 to Germany, then the lower final 0-1 to Sweden.

Germany has 17 points after two legs (7 from second in CTF, 10 from this duel). The United Kingdom UK is second on 11. Sweden has 7. Benelux Benelux and Russia have 6. 4v4 TDM is 4 October. Germany takes the overall title with third or better there, whatever the UK does. The UK is the only team that can still pass them.

Source: House of Quake
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Site summary for week ending 25 Sep (No comments)
Posted by ESReality @ 23:00 UTC, 27 September 2026 - iMsg
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<< Comment #1 @ 18:37 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah 
imo, czm, stelam or proZaC/fox.

czm had all those l33t script binds, very impressive, also a very skilled player and thanks to him cK won a lot of tournaments.
<< Comment #94 @ 10:55 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Bisexual Pride Impulse  - Reply to #1
Agreed
<< Comment #343 @ 08:41 UTC, 8 October 2003 >>
By US-California Cloud  - Reply to #1
kash was better than czm
<< Comment #2 @ 18:48 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Canada DiamondX 
Czm all the way imo. Also, czm will be playing for 519 in the Quakecon CTF tournament coming up =).
<< Comment #116 @ 13:25 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Hong Kong Eric  - Reply to #2
CZM519 :P
<< Comment #3 @ 18:51 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
Isnt cooller rather good at TDM also?
<< Comment #101 @ 12:33 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Vatican ramon  - Reply to #3
No, he isnt! :)
<< Comment #208 @ 13:28 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Pakistan umayr  - Reply to #3
2vs2 they owned the world.. cooller and death..
<< Comment #4 @ 18:51 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By ozna (red) jonjay 
Fox ahead of stelam? No way...
<< Comment #224 @ 18:43 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo  - Reply to #4
agreed.
todays players, fox and m1kes, come through too late for being rated in the same league as stelam prozac and czm.
Edited by sampo at 18:45 GMT, 28th Jul 2003
<< Comment #5 @ 19:05 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
Best -> prozac
by teams:

1st - Stelam, proZaC, Gopher, fox
2nd - Blue, Mikes, Mist, czm
3rd - Panicore, Kane, blokey, toxic

btw, doomer and lakerman should be in the list?
<< Comment #90 @ 10:47 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By ratmstar punee  - Reply to #5
Lakerman was awful in q3tdm.
<< Comment #149 @ 18:08 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo  - Reply to #90
awful is a rather extreme expression isn't it?

He was a great help to his clan mates in All* when he used the rail as no one.
<< Comment #183 @ 02:05 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Pink Smiley Melachi melachi  - Reply to #90
No he wasn't.
<< Comment #286 @ 10:48 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 kjafefjaes  - Reply to #5
senti? :<
<< Comment #6 @ 19:08 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By cooller skint 
if you dont choose mikes your stupid!

get a clan with Polos, power, mikes and cooller and watch them rawx all!

Fox, fair enough hes good on dm6, as long as hes got the rail, but....
hmm won't make a diff so ill shut up.
<< Comment #139 @ 15:51 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands koei  - Reply to #6
im stupid
kthxbye
<< Comment #285 @ 10:47 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 kjafefjaes  - Reply to #6
are you serious?
<< Comment #7 @ 19:11 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands Nicole 
i have no clue \o/
heard a lot about fatal1ty so i voted him :)
<< Comment #9 @ 19:20 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By United Kingdom grimbob  - Reply to #7
lol idiot ;]
<< Comment #29 @ 21:28 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
<< Comment #37 @ 22:29 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
<< Comment #134 @ 15:23 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Runner7plus Ghostrunner  - Reply to #37
rofl :)
<< Comment #244 @ 09:16 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Unset gnarf  - Reply to #37
LOL ... :)))
<< Comment #49 @ 23:39 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Nuked Nuked User  - Reply to #7
* N U K E D *
<< Comment #95 @ 10:58 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands Nicole  - Reply to #49
pardon me?
<< Comment #100 @ 12:31 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By v1 vinkieee  - Reply to #95
u heard him...
<< Comment #138 @ 15:50 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands Nicole  - Reply to #100
vinkie why dont u stfu for some time, and get rid of ur "oh i know everything" attitude dude
<< Comment #150 @ 18:12 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo  - Reply to #138
Nicole - Vinkie: 1-0
<< Comment #172 @ 00:00 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By v1 vinkieee  - Reply to #150
yes, dunno why but yes
<< Comment #222 @ 18:35 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo  - Reply to #172
;)
<< Comment #132 @ 15:16 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Nuked Nuked User  - Reply to #95
* N U K E D *
<< Comment #137 @ 15:49 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Nuked Nuked User  - Reply to #132
* N U K E D *
<< Comment #140 @ 16:05 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By -nepal- fooKi  - Reply to #137
i bet u did
<< Comment #141 @ 16:07 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands Nicole  - Reply to #140
dont think u are, know you are
<< Comment #142 @ 16:27 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By -nepal- fooKi  - Reply to #141
phetatic!
<< Comment #50 @ 00:13 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #7
thats the only downside with girl gamers. they know fuck all!! :D

lol
<< Comment #60 @ 00:44 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah  - Reply to #7
erm lol :P
<< Comment #8 @ 19:15 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Korea (Republic of) jmk 
unmatched gogogo
<< Comment #10 @ 19:40 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl 
looking at the poll, proZac has the highest number of votes. respectable, but highly arguable. we're talking about -ever-. i know i'll get flamed for this, but the guys that taught the world what q3tdm is about are czm and wombat. thinking back to the teamplay.net events and the eql, it's a close call between those two. even at frag4 when the europeans introduced the cessing/all-aim style that eventually took over, the pragmatic stylings of these two individuals that set the tones for their teams (and the standard for the world) eventually and almost in totality persevered versus the arcade europeans. it seems as if czm understood the finer workings of tdm concepts in relation to map structure better than most players can even imagine. and wombat had such amazing clarity in view of the "big picture" that locking down half of a map looked effortless. i'm no fanboy, these are my friends. but i know exceptional feats when i see it. sure the newer greats are, well...great. but i'm one to always go back to the roots of the games where everyone was experimenting and developing the methods that are so popular today. proZac was the greatest tdm player of last year, and probably fox or another ic member this year. but i give the most credit to those that dazzled with their innovation, not repetition.

oh, and i voted for wombat. figured i'd give my vote to a human, not a robot.
Edited by cAd_will at 19:43 GMT, 26th Jul 2003
<< Comment #16 @ 20:21 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Germany - Bayern acid-mea  - Reply to #10
"my vote to a human, not a robot"

:)))
<< Comment #36 @ 22:27 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 (black) ddk  - Reply to #10
I agree with cAd_will, because it reflects why I chose, the player I did, or maybe should i say.. the thought process that I went through. I chose boodah, because he's a greatly underestimated player and he's great to watch.. like czm and wombat he also influenced the early quaking world a great deal and brought some more style to the action. If I could place 5 votes it would be : czm, boodah, zero4, wombat and stelam.

The poll is about the greatest tdm player ever, not the best aim, the best thinker, the best this or that, but the tdm players that most influenced the scene and brought the newest ideas to the scene. TDM is really hard to understand and to see the "big picture" as will mentions is exceptionally hard, with 8 players including yourself playing the fastest paced fps game there is on one map. All with the ability to frag you at the drop of a hat.

Alot of people just pick who they've seen this year, or the year before, because alot of people didn't join the q3 scene until last year or whatever, maybe we should have a poll on when you started q3? e.g. summer 2002 winter 2000 etc.

Not all the tdm players are even on there as was mentioned above, I'm sure there are more though I can't think who.
<< Comment #121 @ 14:00 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #36
qw and cpm are faster paced
<< Comment #69 @ 02:27 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United Kingdom ix  - Reply to #10
"but the guys that taught the world what q3tdm is about are czm and wombat"

The US scene never took TDM to anything like the level it reached in Europe. czm didn't teach the world because his pickup style of individual play isn't used. The best player has to be a european and of the euros prozac has achieved the most.
<< Comment #91 @ 10:48 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By ratmstar punee  - Reply to #69
SteLam?
<< Comment #110 @ 13:18 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 (black) ddk  - Reply to #69
Give some examples please, czm and womabt were around before anyone else.. they were setting up the scene for everyone else. Europe = superior at tdm. Yes, that's true.. but only for the last year or 2
<< Comment #118 @ 13:54 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #69
a quality response, but it has a feeling of "new-school" to it. if you don't know about the overall influence of american tdm, then either you weren't paying attention when clans like cK and stx were schooling everyone hands down or you haven't experienced enough of the american side of things to be so certain. american tdm never got to the level it did in europe due to waning interest. high interest levels, new players, and low pings keep q3 much more alive in europe.

sure, proZac did great things for tdm, but honestly all he influenced was mg cess and overuse of smiley binds. what seriously disturbs me about this individual is the clanhopping he 'promoted'. if you're gonna talk about influence, you can't just look at his in-game performance. his overall attitude towards the game and his clan has to be considered. i can't even begin to keep track of all his clans. that's not the example a top tdm'er should make. he's a great player, but it seems that his biggest accomplishment was to refine and become proficient with a style that had already been proven by others. you can't honestly criticize czm for 'pickup style' and then nominate prozac as greatest ever. prozac is the epitome of pickup. he even advertised it in a QPO interview a year ago.

czm joined cK, played with them for 3 years through thick and thin, and didn't leave. he's playing with 519 for some ctf event coming up, now that cK is inactive in q3.

wombat has been one of the stickmen since the qw days.

end of story.
<< Comment #108 @ 13:05 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #10
agreed, but i'd honestly want to see Xenon on this list
<< Comment #123 @ 14:18 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By metal-v Yodaz  - Reply to #10
I think Unmatched is the team that gave the much to the whole TDM experience. They pretty much reinvented the whole way TDM was played after each of the Eurocups.
I wouldn't say that Europe was all cess and aim around Frag4 time :o Was just that Europe's best teams weren't represented and the team that got the most attention was a ffa team that was put together right before the event but still managed to become 3rd.
Not that I don't agree that Wombat wasn't a great player :o Just think ppl/clans like DOOMer (Allstars), Unmatched, Unreal/Vikings-> DM7 had contributed alot more to the whole TDM experience.
But I don't think this poll is about who pushed TDM the furthest, just about who has the best aim and net, so I voted Stelam :p Eventhough he probably did the least of the planning of strats in U/SK.
<< Comment #128 @ 15:02 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #123
i can't disagree with your selection of teams. and you're right, this poll is mostly regarded by "net/topshots minders" as fh|killy calls them :)
<< Comment #136 @ 15:43 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Germany siro  - Reply to #123
you couldn't be wronger with your guess about stelam's part in strategy. :)
<< Comment #145 @ 17:12 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Germany - Bayern acid-mea  - Reply to #136
fully agree :)
<< Comment #182 @ 01:27 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By metal-v Yodaz  - Reply to #136
well I didn't know tbh. usually the best aimer of the team is the one that does the least coordination work :p just based my assumption of EC4 finals where I had headache of sitting next to sl1nger as he was the only that shouting 24/7 :)
<< Comment #234 @ 23:51 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By United Kingdom ix  - Reply to #182
Das quad kommt! Schiesse!
<< Comment #260 @ 22:45 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By GzD Devil's eye Moze  - Reply to #182
Yodaz right on man.. I watched some demos of games. I must say czm is by far the best tdmer i have seen play. i seen kana rape hardcore in games, but when it came in organising the team play czm just play so well. Just watch any cK games like 2 years ago or so. He made fat seem like a drone in the clan.
<< Comment #283 @ 02:39 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah  - Reply to #10
Actually, proZaC wasnt that big of a clanhopper, he looked like one because his team changed names again and again. Actually he played for 3 teams, All-Stars, he managed to get twice to the lan finals with them, the p1mps(aka: eSports/2easy/sca) and QPO, with them he won LA7. I can't really call him a clanhopper because of that. But stelam, sl1nger and zyz also played for two diffrent clans.

The Quake3 tdm scene is more active in europe then in America, So that explains the more moving from diffrent players in europe I guess.

Perhaps DOOMer is a played that should be there too, together with tech who was also very good.
<< Comment #321 @ 14:18 UTC, 4 August 2003 >>
By 2k2_2 Kross  - Reply to #283
That is incorrect. He played a whole eurocup in Meton too.
<< Comment #346 @ 02:31 UTC, 9 November 2003 >>
By Unreal flag Cramenic  - Reply to #10
2 Players that i watched demos in theyr top lvls... and i thinked(my god , they rule this game so bad that no other player actually have 80% of his skill in TDM)... Were FOX and PROZAC...
<< Comment #11 @ 19:42 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Japan Jubei 
czm without a doubt, the only other that comes to mind is stelam.
<< Comment #12 @ 19:58 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By wsw2 MFM 
The list should look like this.

fox - I mean.. look at him. Very stable fragger. Almost evertime he gets the highest net.
gopher - Also very stable, a real retainer.
desp - Also a net-topshooter
prozac - Insane MG.
opium / Mist
<< Comment #18 @ 20:27 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #12
and net/topshots is EVERYTHING in tdm, of course.
<< Comment #26 @ 21:21 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
think be4 you write silly comments

he means the guy can aim on the interNET as well as on lan imo
<< Comment #33 @ 22:02 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By QLcz cytomic  - Reply to #26
That alone doesn't make him the best tdmer ever either :)
<< Comment #119 @ 13:58 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #26
LOGIN and read my comment before you post a silly, anonymous comment. he wrote specifically about 2 different individuals, praising them for their ability to post high net/topshots. i commented directly at those -two- statements. thank you.
<< Comment #198 @ 12:30 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
your still not understanding what i'm saying are you.
<< Comment #151 @ 18:14 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo  - Reply to #26
then again, we're talkin SWEDISH internet, which's as close to lan you can get :/
<< Comment #51 @ 00:20 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #12
yes, i know your swedish, and that prozac can empty a whole magazine of mg into his opps mouth at half a mile away, but aim does NOT make the bets TDMer of all time. czm, aim? not comparable to any of the top 100 railers, but STRATEGY is the keyword here. may end up last in the NET ranking, but probably saved each players ass a number of times and kamikazied the enemy quad and defended items to death, while at the same time controlling everyones position and movements at the risk of getting fragged slightly more.
<< Comment #74 @ 04:01 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Belgium Lekker_he  - Reply to #51
majestic , ur sounding smart for once

amen & [+] for that
Edited by Lekker_he at 12:44 GMT, 27th Jul 2003
<< Comment #102 @ 12:37 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Vatican ramon  - Reply to #74
yes, it almost frightened me.
<< Comment #230 @ 23:06 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #74
LOL ;D
<< Comment #109 @ 13:10 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #51
amen.
<< Comment #315 @ 13:40 UTC, 3 August 2003 >>
By cky riske_of_h8  - Reply to #51
Ehm... czm has freakin' awesome aim. One of the best shafters in the world no doubt.
<< Comment #184 @ 02:06 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands QuiXilver  - Reply to #12
slightly swedified list uh :f
<< Comment #251 @ 16:40 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Finland brol  - Reply to #12
somehow Im not surprised this is a comment by swede ;)
<< Comment #13 @ 20:01 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands SICK 
koeka !! :P
<< Comment #14 @ 20:13 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Slovenia r1ddler  - Reply to #13
rofl :))


















plz



:>
<< Comment #42 @ 22:36 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands SICK  - Reply to #14
if i could vote for u r1d i would do it :P
<< Comment #44 @ 22:52 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Slovenia r1ddler  - Reply to #42
well obviously :P

_______________


CnS for evah baby :]
<< Comment #66 @ 01:37 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Slovenia gfhr-  - Reply to #44
I wouldn't :)))
<< Comment #15 @ 20:18 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Germany - Bayern acid-mea 
ProZaC, no doubt about that

second comes Stelam
<< Comment #17 @ 20:25 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Colour: orange Lexxeech 
Mikes > Cooller > *

If you don't agree - you are clueless monkey.

Yes yes, we've all seen ProZaC, Toxic, FOX and even Stelam in action, but please..
<< Comment #19 @ 20:28 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Slovenia r1ddler  - Reply to #17
russian twat :P
<< Comment #20 @ 20:35 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Colour: orange Lexxeech  - Reply to #19
Go and see some of Mikes's demos. For example: ospdm5 vs IC..
<< Comment #21 @ 20:40 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By rtfm Corpsegrinder  - Reply to #20
go and see some proZaC/SteLam Demos instead :P
<<voted for czm. the tdm-evolution itself. i love stelams style and proZaC's funny faces on photos but nothing comes close to this amazing machine like cAd_will said :)
<< Comment #22 @ 20:44 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Slovenia r1ddler  - Reply to #20
doesnt prove shit :>
<< Comment #68 @ 01:54 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By PZZ red HellSpaWN  - Reply to #20
shame on you
you should be telling him to watch mikes's game vs SK @ cpl cologne
really LOVED it while being there at cologne
even the german audiance loved it, how mikes owned SK
<< Comment #148 @ 17:49 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By USSR Demiurge  - Reply to #68
http://www.cyberfight.ru/site/demos/3202/ ?
nah, ic demo is better =p
<< Comment #341 @ 05:13 UTC, 17 August 2003 >>
By Quake 3 kjafefjaes  - Reply to #17
tbh, cooller fucking blows in tdm.
he's the #1 dueler in the world but come on.. he never was much of a tdm'er. mikes on the other hand is up there.
<< Comment #23 @ 20:57 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
If anyone can explain to me in what parallel universe fatal1ty could be a better tdmer than Mist I'd be much obliged.
<< Comment #302 @ 20:05 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
By Germany mr. HACKETT  - Reply to #23
it is yet to be anounced: after the fatpad and the fatbeanie, now coming along is the fatuniverse where he's not just the best tdm'er but on top of that even the world's most admired dancer!
<< Comment #24 @ 21:07 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Norway m`K 
/me
<< Comment #25 @ 21:09 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Vatican ramon 
:o
tough choice..
<< Comment #27 @ 21:25 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Skåne elepant 
where is blokey?
<< Comment #342 @ 00:48 UTC, 8 October 2003 >>
By Japan Jubei  - Reply to #27
somewhere with the rest of the 'good' players, not the greatest.
<< Comment #28 @ 21:26 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
Wow, gopher GREATLY underestimated
<< Comment #53 @ 00:22 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #28
well, in a none-favoritism poll, gopher would have 0 votes. if you can only pick ONE BEST TDMer OF ALL TIME would it be gopher? doubtful. not even he would vote so.
<< Comment #169 @ 22:07 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Iceland Ravenkettle  - Reply to #53
Yes, I admit gopher is probably not the BEST but he's better than some of the ones above him in votes, maybe the ic fanboys all voted for fox :)
<< Comment #30 @ 21:34 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
fatality was a bag of pooo.

my vote goes to prozac.

i also always loved watching luke demos.
<< Comment #31 @ 21:36 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Croatia panCho 
Best TDMer is/was proZaC and best lineup would look like this; Stelam, proZaC, Mikes, fox.
<< Comment #32 @ 21:37 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By ^LittleEvil666^ n00beh 
i voted paracyde ;\ but i didnt see toxic HOW DO I CHANGE MY VOTEEEEEEEE
<< Comment #34 @ 22:08 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Eyeballers-Anim 0.2 kaZappeR kaZappeR 
I would say there's a couple of different types of players, that's for sure.

My vote went to fox. He always play stable, consistency is what marks a true champion. He also plays a very intelligent game. Not only does he do his own job, he also does a great deal to get the other parts (read players) of the team to work as a unit.

Other candidates in my eyes would be proZac, mikes.

Take a minute and consider the p1mps line-up once again.
Just got to think of it.

The poll also leaves a lot of names out, and I'm aware of that it can't have every name there. But how can you forget names like Senti, Seka, Tech etc.

How about to have an option called "Other..."
<< Comment #35 @ 22:14 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By 005 Alias 
There are so many names missing from this list. This is a pretty stupid poll.
<< Comment #38 @ 22:30 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By United Kingdom Daishi  - Reply to #35
Well, how about offering some suggestions then? It's not like we can't add more names.
<< Comment #262 @ 22:52 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #38
but i don't know if you're willing to go through the trouble of rescinding votes...
<< Comment #41 @ 22:36 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Belgium batOu  - Reply to #35
u big boy...
<< Comment #39 @ 22:33 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Sweden Paladia 
Litzer is there but not LakermaN?
<< Comment #57 @ 00:40 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah  - Reply to #39
Give me one good reason why I should add lakerman, instead of litzter :P

LakermaN => Duel player
litzter => Top TDM player, remember the dm6 game when he pld for Eyeballers at the first EuroCup and CPL London where he was very good. He also pld with 4K at LA7, which was not a big succes, but still, it stays one hell of a player.

LakermaN sure is one of the best quakers ever, but TDM, he pld one eurocup season or perhaps two, and he managed to be at the lan final for one time.
<< Comment #84 @ 09:50 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #57
Because LakermaN was the best player in the best clan for quite a while (Allstars)?
<< Comment #92 @ 10:49 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By ratmstar punee  - Reply to #84
Best in 1o1, I don't remember watching any good tdm demo from him.
<< Comment #120 @ 13:59 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah  - Reply to #84
proZaC was the best TDM player of Allstars without any doubts, to bad that lakerman was able to play at only one tdm tourney, which was EC2, duel was more his thing tho.
<< Comment #130 @ 15:08 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #120
prozac was becoming better at the end, yes. But at the start he was unknown. No point in arguing though, it is too late to add LakermaN to the poll
<< Comment #144 @ 17:06 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Nuke Explosion Buckminster  - Reply to #84
Allstars were NEVER the best clan, they lost to 9 on LAN and then iC and unmatched at ec so how were they even close to the best?
Edited by Buckminster at 16:22 GMT, 28th Jul 2003
<< Comment #146 @ 17:15 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #144
They lost two games, so because of that they cannot have been the best for a while? Great thinking
<< Comment #213 @ 16:20 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Nuke Explosion Buckminster  - Reply to #146
Correct imbecile, they lost every competition they played in so unsuprisingly I think that qualifies them as DEFINATELY not the best tdm team at any point in time. Just because you fanboy all the players doesn't alter reality.
<< Comment #105 @ 12:47 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Switzerland veal  - Reply to #57
i saw 1 (one) game of litzter but i knew him for ever afterwards while not hearing anything of him... it was about the first (?) demo with audioshoutcast included :) and litzter seemed to hit all his rails und you could hear him laugh through the audio and the commentatory said so and laughed too and it was just so nice :D
/me digs for that demo

dunno yet for who i vote but i guess stelam

[e]hrm, dunno how to look for it... anyone knows which clans played? was it EYE vs SK?
Edited by veal at 12:49 GMT, 27th Jul 2003
<< Comment #200 @ 12:43 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Hearts3 jonte  - Reply to #105
ye i believe it was some eye vs sk demo on dm6 where he hit like 70-75% railgun, its 2-3 years old though. Lakerman was never even close to litzters skills tbh =)
<< Comment #40 @ 22:35 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Belgium batOu 
panicore, stelam, czm, fox & toxic = top 5 ever :p

mikes & cooller own badly too, but russians already own q3 duels scene so they wont complain ...i guess ('~')
<< Comment #43 @ 22:49 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
I know this may sound stupid, but i think cooller is not good at tdm as he is in duel. I think Fox prob best, but then again i've never seen prozac play. Can some1 recommend he's best demo in tdm.
<< Comment #58 @ 00:41 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah  - Reply to #43
Search for LA7 demos, the qpo s9jruz pov.
<< Comment #45 @ 23:01 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By ozna (red) jonjay 
Think panicore should get more praise than prozac. Ummm panicore won Eurocups with ic...he was part of p1mps also and if I remember correctly done better than prozac in the games they played.
Edited by jonjay at 15:01 GMT, 9th Nov 2003
<< Comment #56 @ 00:31 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands SICK  - Reply to #45
dont think he won any eurocups with ic (2nd place)

and prozac also got very high in eurocups with All*.
<< Comment #64 @ 00:57 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah  - Reply to #45
Actually not, proZaC won LA7 with QPO, won EC5 with p1mps, played twice with All* at a lan finals(ended second and third(ec2/ec3)).

panicore: second at EuroCup3 with ic, second at LA7 and first place at CPL London.

Not that its bad what panicore did, but pro's results looks a bit better:D
<< Comment #345 @ 23:47 UTC, 8 November 2003 >>
By Nuke Explosion Buckminster  - Reply to #45
Panicore has never won a Eurocup (he wasn't in the starting lineup for p1mps that won the Eurocup as I remember) while proZaC has.
Edited by Buckminster at 23:48 GMT, 8th Nov 2003
<< Comment #347 @ 15:02 UTC, 9 November 2003 >>
By ozna (red) jonjay  - Reply to #345
learn something new everyday :)
<< Comment #46 @ 23:03 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
hey dudes .. no lakerman ? have u forgotten the all mighty all* ?

if i had to choose 5 , those would be : blue , stelam , prozac , czm and kane/zyz :) ...
btw im not german nor a swedish whity! peace !
<< Comment #201 @ 12:44 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Hearts3 jonte  - Reply to #46
make sense pls
<< Comment #47 @ 23:05 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
CZM is a great strategist/thinker with tons of raw talent, he has proven he is one of the best at both duelling and TDM

CZM is without a doubt one of the best, but some people such as his teammates are overlooked, such as OUIJA this is a man with tons of "big game" experience who pulled off lots magic moments when they(clan kapitol) needed it

Props to czm/ouija/spook/fatal1ty for making the list, it doesn't surprise to me see one of the most dominating quake3 tdm lineups have the entire squad nominated as the best ever :)
<< Comment #48 @ 23:35 UTC, 26 July 2003 >>
By Russia Wiser 
American teamplay, even with CZM playing a major role is kinda boring for me ;) His 1v1 demos imo are much more fun to watch, especially those on t4.
I prefer some swedish style, but I voted for Mikes ;) And I must say that Gopher is really underestimated. Too bad only one player could be chosen to be 'best' :)
<< Comment #54 @ 00:26 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #48
well it does say BEST and not MOST ENTERTAINING
<< Comment #97 @ 11:37 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Russia Wiser  - Reply to #54
Do you think player can be best if his team is far from being best? ;) (just my point of view) We talking about WORLD here, not USA only...
<< Comment #231 @ 23:14 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #97
wrong reply?
<< Comment #303 @ 20:13 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
By Germany mr. HACKETT  - Reply to #48
given the quality choice here he's not the only one underrated: zyz for example is as fine a tdm'er as one can be for he really played for the team and the team only (fine attitude, too)... maybe he'd be something like the "best fifth man ever".... =D
<< Comment #52 @ 00:21 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Gay Pride cypher_ 
Well, theres some name that always be the best in my opinion and that's lakerman. He did, although, quit quite early and that may have some infection on what I voted for (well, he isn't even in this poll *doh* but anyways).

There's only one problem with this Poll I think..

(I guess) Most of the Americans voting for american names such as fatality, czm etc, and the europeans mostly voting for european names... why? Patriotic fucks, THAT'S WHY!
:P

But since the scene has been dominated by Sweden from the very beginning I had to choose one of those MANY topplayers we've got. Prozac don't have the right to win this poll I think. fox is the one worth this title, with his tactics... omg. It's sad that he lived in that small fucked up place so that he was taken the chance to dominate while laker and the other guys were fighting.
The russians are worth much credds for the many new stuff they have brought into the scene (high five to LeXeR, cooller and Pele).

Well, there's one more thing to think of in this poll. Sweden has 8 million citizens, comparing to Americas huge amount. That don't seems to really matter, 10/35 players in this poll shows us that Sweden have been dominating the scene from the beginning. Whohooo! OWNED!
<< Comment #55 @ 00:28 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #52
i always use that citizen fact in coversation hehe owns everytime ;)

yeah, fuck those patriotic fucks!!! go blokey!! ROFL
<< Comment #61 @ 00:47 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands sizah  - Reply to #52
Actually, I voted for czm:p
<< Comment #171 @ 23:52 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Germany shaq  - Reply to #52
sweden has had great teams not doubt, but remember the unmatched (later half sk) crew that won the eurocuup three times in a row. my favourites are stelam an prozac. stelam has won so much and was the smartest player around. agressive when needed and calm and smart as hell when being in danger.
<< Comment #264 @ 22:59 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #52
you say "since the beginning" when your views, and those of over half the people replying to this thread clearly indicate that most of you haven't been around watching the tdm scene closely for more than 2 years. it's a shame you weren't informed about the US showing everyone how to play tdm for the first 2 before it went inactive.
<< Comment #59 @ 00:42 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Belgium batOu 
btw, hazzi should be included in that poll imo, another really good tdm player :)
<< Comment #62 @ 00:47 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic 
well, my turn.

hmm, i joined the quake scene slightly behind schedule, if you will, but i have witnessed many demos from before i started.

United States of Americaczm: Has tonnes of experience, is dominant in almost every game he plays. Helps the team in an inumerable number of ways, in game and off. Insane strategic knowledge. The known worlds best config expert award.

Swedenfox: Hardly seen any of his TDM demos, so no comment :/

Swedenprozac: Hw proved that he has the capability of taking a whole clan, (well, not all by himself) to win a world championship. He shows great map control in almost every game, and always seems to be in the right place at the right time. Best LAN karaoke award.

Germanykane, stelam, slinger, para, zyz: deserve very muchly to be enlisted here, because of the 1n54n3 1337 5k1llz they pulled off in their games.

United Kingdomblokey: poor fellow, he is just at the wrong place at the wrong time in his games, and doesnt get to show his skillz. gone down hill IMO :_ Mist: never seen any demos ://///

Swedenpanicore, toxic, lakerman, blue, doomer, gopher, xorgal, fazz: THESE GUYS OWN!!!

DenmarkJoyce: never heard of him :D

United States of Americack team: THESE GUYS OWN TOO BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THE OTHER GUYS!!!

Russiamikes: only seen a few demos but VERY impressed, as i also am with Russiapolos and slightly less with power.

well, thats it for me and my lovely spammz0rz.
<< Comment #85 @ 10:03 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Croatia rdmz  - Reply to #62
lol man majestic :P it seems you know shit about the most players :)
<< Comment #232 @ 23:16 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By omg! Majestic  - Reply to #85
: /
<< Comment #104 @ 12:45 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Vatican ramon  - Reply to #62
But, joyce owns!!
IMO the best vikings player :)
<< Comment #152 @ 18:25 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Germany - Bayern acid-mea  - Reply to #104
hazzy :) ?
<< Comment #177 @ 00:45 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Saracs :D Black sarac  - Reply to #104
hmm.. joycerus was more or less their "insane aim" guy.. I always thought more highly of yodaz and hazzi, the tactical ones.. although they both went on insane killing sprees from time to time :-)

even though he is probably not the best, blue is a legend in my mind, maybe because of all the mystique that surrounded him, and the fact that he quit so .
<< Comment #63 @ 00:50 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Denmark brescia 
Where is HaZZi? imo one of the best players ever..
But stelam was the best, together with stelam
<< Comment #304 @ 20:16 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
By Germany mr. HACKETT  - Reply to #63
...and let's just not forget about stelam, third of the stelam-brothers....
<< Comment #65 @ 01:24 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands visje 
I have no clue :| I voted zyz since i enjoy his demo's but most of the players listed i've never seen in action.
<< Comment #67 @ 01:45 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By PZZ red HellSpaWN 
a poll I love :)
TDM is my mod and will always be my mod :)
just love it

ok the poll then...

Its a really hard one as I enjoyed demos from alot of people... prozac, stelam, zyz, fox, gopher, toxic, mikes kane, litzter, czm, zyz... oh shit, im summing up the names in the poll :/
so hard to pick one
Edited by HellSpaWN at 01:46 GMT, 27th Jul 2003
<< Comment #70 @ 02:43 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
hmm cooller ownz em all in both 1v1 and tdm :X
<< Comment #71 @ 03:05 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden NI 
Mikes.

followed closely by pruttzi and stelam.

Also gopher toxic blue (go swe =) kane, zyz, I really liked coollers tdm play before he became more of an 1v1 player.
The only one playing the american approach to tdm, who I enjoyed to watch, was wombat.
<< Comment #72 @ 03:15 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
<< Comment #73 @ 03:17 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United Kingdom Six16 
wtf, prozac fan boys...


he was a know one till in all*s (probably because blue/laker were more popular) but i voted for all round performance, and how long theyve been in the scene.

chose toxic.
<< Comment #75 @ 04:09 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Belgium Lekker_he 
well im going to upset lots of people now .., but ive seen some interesting comments in this nice poll ( TBH ! :)

fox = all pdm6
fox = all rail

tbh , i dont like fox's playing style .. hes one of those 'gimme a rail and frag away' player , he whores the armors/weapons (look @ demos .. the guy has almost all the weapons every single time when u look in team overlay when the other 3 have sg/mg) ..

hes just an amazing fragger/item timer , not an amazing TEAM player imho , hes someone a team counts on (remember that one sweden game) but not for his TEAMing skills but for his amazing frag sense + I always get the feeling when hes low on health he rather avoids fights instead of (czm way) defend the red armor , he compensates it in damage given but still ..

respect for his aim but i voted czm .. the only guy that showed us to play tdm like its supposed to be played.

ps. i know my english sux and i dont give a rat's ass ;)
Edited by Lekker_he at 04:14 GMT, 27th Jul 2003
<< Comment #111 @ 13:22 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #75
Thats why the others in ic praise him for being a great teamplayer... ok
<< Comment #125 @ 14:39 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Belgium Lekker_he  - Reply to #111
its a friggin clan , ofcozz they love eachother

/me smashes head
<< Comment #157 @ 19:24 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #125
meaning he owns as a teamplayer.
<< Comment #124 @ 14:36 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By PZZ red HellSpaWN  - Reply to #75
check EC7 final demos
ospdm5/cpm4... fox also way up ahead
<< Comment #126 @ 14:41 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Belgium Lekker_he  - Reply to #124
still , i dont argue his skill .. im just stuck with the feeling fox is 'low-health-runner' instead of 'defend whatever i have to defend , net comes second'

maybe tdm is pld in other way now , dno .. imho hes not the best ever
Edited by Lekker_he at 14:42 GMT, 27th Jul 2003
<< Comment #316 @ 14:14 UTC, 3 August 2003 >>
By cky riske_of_h8  - Reply to #75
Well... I've seen fox aim about as good as it gets today with every weapon in the game, not just rail, so your railonly statement is wrong.

And fox does defend the Red Armor when he can. It's only when he would have died anyway that he prefers to run away (and thus keep his weapons in order to be able to take the RA back when he's asked to). No point in staying at RA if the enemy gets it anyway and you lose your weaps. Some people tend to think that he sucks at teamplay just because he's got aim (clueless ones like you).

Yes, I voted for fox, flame me.
<< Comment #327 @ 17:31 UTC, 6 August 2003 >>
By aggnog_duck aggnog  - Reply to #316
make me
<< Comment #76 @ 04:52 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
kash was like a hybrid of boodah and czm. played like a net whore and understood the inner intricacies of tdm like czm, but at the same time was way too aggressive for that part of his game to really shine or for him to really care about it as much as he cared about taking your head off. but you'd look at league stats and his eff would somehow still be around 70 and his net would be 2x higher than anyone on his team at the end of the season. and then at times he was laughably reckless, like boodah on crack, but his absolutely absurd aim and his weird ability to side-step & dodge everything up close usually let him get away with it (i.e.: rail vs plasma or machine gun vs rockets up close and he'd win). he also had the best aim of any NA q3 player I'd ever seen. his style seemed more apt for the european scene than the american scene though.

But I didn't even know of him until I saw him own that first kit tournament and then he dissappeared like 6 months later after that. I don't think he was even around for a year, so he can't be taken seriously for a poll like this, but he was still my favorite player to watch.
<< Comment #77 @ 04:57 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Belgium Lekker_he  - Reply to #76
u got any demos of that man? :)
<< Comment #236 @ 01:34 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=219218 - this is his most popular one

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=264884 - i saw in another thread that this was his last game of q3.

i think there's more on here, but I can't find them at the moment.
<< Comment #78 @ 05:39 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Norway monoid 
where is doomer?
<< Comment #79 @ 06:54 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By bluedot lockdog 
ouu shit where is opium??? i waned to vote for him!!! wtf sizah??
ok. i will pick fojji, desp, prozac and pow3r (teh my irl friend)
<< Comment #80 @ 07:27 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United States of America low0r 
I believe the reason Fatality is being chosen so much, is because some people may read it wrong, like I did. Its late, and when I read it, I immediately was thinking best overall q3 player ever, not best tdmer... Oops, count one of those votes for fat mine, and I wish I could change it, becuase thats not true. While Fat is good at TDM, definetly not the best TDMer... It would have to be czm or prozac or fox...
<< Comment #81 @ 07:39 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
i cant believe kane is so low rated here.. i remember everyone were saying he's the number one for so long.. i guess all new poeple nowadays here

i remember one demo.. 60+ % rail.. and he died 5 times in 20 minetes.. good oponent too, man fox aint got shit on this guy

. but i voted prozac.. love u man
<< Comment #258 @ 21:05 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Jolly Roger mame  - Reply to #81
totally agree with you
<< Comment #82 @ 07:39 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Hearts3 jonte 
litzter :]
<< Comment #83 @ 09:20 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By bluedot lockdog 
Where is opium? I want to pick him in this poll!!! FFS GET THA OPI BAK!!
<< Comment #86 @ 10:15 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
I never seen a clan playing LAN and I think you can tell then who is best leading/directing theother players.. but from all demos I watched I wouls say maybe czm or pro ?
<< Comment #87 @ 10:17 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By England james 
I think current order is a pretty fair reflection - prozac's got the maddest aim and the most aggressive/adaptable style. Something about him which doesn't just make him a good player at the top level, but also a match winner.

fox's aim is awesome - better than prozac's - but not as quick.

stelam... I think he'd be a whole lot more effective if he played same style as prozac/fox/czm :)

personal top 4

1. prozac
2. fox
3. mikes
4. toxic
Edited by james at 10:19 GMT, 27th Jul 2003
<< Comment #88 @ 10:28 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
d3sp =)
nice sg
<< Comment #89 @ 10:32 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
I'm frankly very surprised zero4 is so high on the list, let alone on it at all. I love the guy as a dueler, but I don't recall him ever doing anything special in tdm. My guess is his popularity in 1v1 is getting him votes from people who don't know any better.
<< Comment #98 @ 11:50 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Russia Wiser  - Reply to #89
Maybe people think about his ctf skills ;)
<< Comment #147 @ 17:29 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Germany makku  - Reply to #89
He's a great TDM player as well, i think. I once watched a demo where he and boodah owned fox and fazz really badly. However, the dominating player in this match was boodah who truely is a great tdm player, so i would've loved to vote for him, but i spotted stelam on the list :)
<< Comment #93 @ 10:54 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Bisexual Pride Impulse 
1. czm
2. fox
3. zero4
<< Comment #113 @ 13:25 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #93
yeah z4 just OWN tdm...
<< Comment #245 @ 09:39 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
may be tdm just owns zero4 ?..
<< Comment #250 @ 16:21 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #245
that was kinda my point...
<< Comment #96 @ 11:04 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By ratmstar punee 
I think it's hard to tell now, I don't think there's such a thing as a best player ever, they all belong to their own era imo.

Just looking at ice climbers, you can notice different eras. At the very begining I remember panicore leading the team with his monster rocket skill, then it was toxic's turn, then gopher's (fragged by gopher.avi), and now fox. But I couldn't tell who's the best between those, if I had to pick it would be cause of their playing style. So that'd be toxic or panicore I think, no offence to gopher and fox who are great players but their playing style just shows how q3 is completely rail oriented nowadays, I miss the kind of stuff panicore used to pull on dm6.

You can see the same progression in russia, going from power heavily rocket oriented playing style to mikes who's all rail guy. Picking between the two, I think I'd pick power, more entertaining to watch.

Looking at all this I think you can say q3's gameplay has flaws, the game turned into a complete rail fest while it was a lot more entertaining to watch in the begining. The game followed a progression completely opposed to qw, making recent demos more boring to watch than the old ones. As for picking the best tdm player ever, I think I'd go for any old school player, so toxic/panicore/stelam/power, since their style is by far the most entertaining and still kinda effective ;)
<< Comment #99 @ 12:00 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
>hazzi should be on this list me thinks :)
<< Comment #103 @ 12:40 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United Kingdom [CyRus] 
*cough* where's cooller? *cough*
<< Comment #106 @ 12:57 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Viet Nam use 
yodaz!!!
<< Comment #107 @ 13:01 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
DOOMer was by far the best team player I've ever seen, after that comes czm and koekie :PP allthough koekie never became famous he was extremely good in tdm tactics wich makes him nr3 :P
and btw tdm isn't about getting high nets that can easily be in the teams tax, the best fragger gets a gun from his teamies and most likely an ra as well, every time quad spawns so no wonder they'd have the highest nets.... tax all the way (therefor it's so hard to pick the best teamplayer)
<< Comment #112 @ 13:23 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN 
I'd vote for Xenon or Blue, end of story.
<< Comment #114 @ 13:25 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
lol.. cAd_will how lame are you ? what do you think prozac was the best from the beginning, has been best for years and still is one of the best. And sure czm is prolly good in America, but face it america suck on TDM, fox, gopher and prozac would prolly win any american team 3on4.
<< Comment #265 @ 23:32 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #114
you're simply retarded. go read a q3 history book. reply when your testicles have descended and they've grown enough hair for you to be able to login and hold a decent conversation.
Edited by will at 11:33 GMT, 31st Jul 2003
<< Comment #115 @ 13:25 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By claw0 Aabech 
Voted for Kane due to his INSANE LEET RALING HAX0R PERCENT at 68.1 he had in a cup fixture once... can't remember witch one though. :(
<< Comment #117 @ 13:48 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Norway wee man 
hm, can anyone tell me why there are no finns included in that poll? i'm sure that there are at least one or two finns good enough to be in such a poll (remember ars moriendi..)
<< Comment #122 @ 14:14 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By xtreme ReapeR^ 
Pure innovation: I didn't vote for a compatriot
<< Comment #127 @ 14:52 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Germany pete 
I think there are different 'best players' on different maps:

dm6 -> fox
dm14 -> zyz
dm7 -> blokey
cpm4 -> stelam
ospdm5 -> ?
<< Comment #131 @ 15:11 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By ratmstar punee  - Reply to #127
fazz =D
<< Comment #163 @ 21:13 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By PZZ red HellSpaWN  - Reply to #127
ospdm5: gopher
:D :D
<< Comment #196 @ 10:35 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk  - Reply to #127
dm6 -> fox
dm14 -> fox
dm7 -> fox
cpm4 -> fox
ospdm5 -> fox
<< Comment #317 @ 14:21 UTC, 3 August 2003 >>
By cky riske_of_h8  - Reply to #196
So true... though few people will see his tactical skills behind his aiming skills...
<< Comment #271 @ 04:10 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By England 50sQuiff  - Reply to #127
nice list - how about Mikes for osp5?
<< Comment #129 @ 15:04 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
sorry but i owned you all when i was elite ! ;)~~
/x0rg4l
<< Comment #133 @ 15:20 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
Chargal!!! unf unf :)
/PaniCore
<< Comment #215 @ 16:40 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden Paladia  - Reply to #129
Right, in Arctic Lights? :)
<< Comment #135 @ 15:37 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
stelam ...... he is the best :)
<< Comment #143 @ 16:53 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Q3 shishkin 
It seems forZe|Mikes should have been no.1 seed. Close!
<< Comment #153 @ 18:29 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo 
Well this is my way of thinking:

When SteLam was active, he managed to win 3 EC's with unmatched. That says pretty much. He oppened the gates for many by ALWAYS, in every single match and cup, totaly dominate the map(s). It didn't matter who unmatched faced, SteLam was always the best player on the map.
I might be wrong here, but he participated in 4 EuroCups, and won 3 of them? And upon that, strategic as well as a aim-whore. He is (imo) the best -ever-. Don't think he stands a chance against the best today though (fox, gopher), but its hard to compare yesterdays players, with the 'new' ones.

Then we have proZaC. And the most remarkable thing with him is that he, during all his year as a pro gamer in q3, ALWAYS have been up there, and always been the topfragger as well as tactic player in every clan he played with.

Those are the two absolutely best titans; they started out early, they inspired many to start playing. And both prozac and stelam is the two most valuable of all players.
But then its quite hard to say the third.

Fox and m1kes. They are probably one of the best atm, but does that makes them to the best ever? nah, they'll never reach prozac and stelam's standard. No one else will.

BUT, of course, my biggest respect to czm, who took his clan to highness and grace. he goes in as the third best ever, if you ask me that is.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just have to mention one last thing about all this.. Poll-mess:

It's all individual, but more important: it's even more natural to make the vote, based on where you are from as well ...
Meaning that mostly Americans vote for their heros: czm, Wombat and Spook (why isn't bloodshot in the list btw?) and the europeans vote for their players: SteLam, proZaC and zyz. (just examples)
This is a fact, and its obvious that we compete in some sort of hidden 'We_just_try_to_prove_that_we_have_the_best_players'-spirit, which make me sick.

Therefore I think we should split this poll in two parts: Best europe tdm-player, and best american tdm-player.
Well, that's just my opinion and im sure that ppl's gonna start blaim me for.. whatever :)
Edited by sampo at 18:30 GMT, 28th Jul 2003
<< Comment #165 @ 21:15 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By PZZ red HellSpaWN  - Reply to #153
2 EC's with unmatched + one with SK
<< Comment #154 @ 19:01 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By France GHOST19 
No frenchies ???

thefou all the way !!!

Nice aim, not rail-oriented, dedicated to his team.

But if he is not the most known tdmer, he is surely the absolute best ctfer (looking forward to quakecon expect him to be the best capper)

Other picks would be prozac and stelam, fox also is a great player but railwhore boring style so doesn't deserve the title of best player.
<< Comment #195 @ 10:34 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk  - Reply to #154
dedicated on what team? :o
<< Comment #155 @ 19:08 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
Polosaty......
<< Comment #204 @ 12:47 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Hearts3 jonte  - Reply to #155
polos1ty and fatalatiy!!!!!
<< Comment #156 @ 19:23 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
sigh. this poll got posted on russian cyerfight and now russian pre-teens are completely spamming votes on mikes.. thank you retards
<< Comment #186 @ 03:14 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Colour: black D i M a  - Reply to #156
kill yourself
<< Comment #266 @ 00:09 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #156
and you're going to be un-biased and make the same comment about swedes, right?
<< Comment #158 @ 19:32 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Bisexual Pride Impulse 
Alot of great players too choose from the list. But other great TDM'ers such as Godsmurf from Cicatrix, or Devil from ForZe gets my vote. Even tho I only mention about 3 players, any of these guys could be the great TDM'er at any given day, or based on their expirences and skill.
<< Comment #173 @ 00:07 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Bisexual Pride Impulse  - Reply to #158
Not to mention tactics & intelligence
<< Comment #159 @ 20:04 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
were is sujoy & hakeem????
=)
<< Comment #160 @ 20:32 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Colour: orange Lexxeech 
Look who's laughing now, peons!
<< Comment #161 @ 20:39 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
why dont a poll like:
"Which country is you favorite?"
It will do the same result as this one...
<< Comment #162 @ 20:59 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By black sheep KingpiN 
zyz n toxix
<< Comment #164 @ 21:14 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
u forgot to add Blackout
he's in the top 8 all time greatest q3tdm players ...
<< Comment #336 @ 02:16 UTC, 10 August 2003 >>
By Colour: black 255  - Reply to #164
+ FOR YOU
<< Comment #166 @ 21:28 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
Polosatiy - best player
Polosatiy - the best player ever
RussiA!!!!!!!!!
<< Comment #178 @ 00:50 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Saracs :D Black sarac  - Reply to #166
is it like a law in russia, that you have to be refrain from making any arguments, and otherwise act completely childish? :)
<< Comment #240 @ 03:06 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By naw-face eyeplusppl_  - Reply to #166
sup polosatiy..
<< Comment #167 @ 21:43 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
Like Sampo wrote, SteLam won 3 Eurocpus. Someone wrote that Sweden dominated from the start which is quite stupid considering that german teams won ec 2, 3 and 4.
They were all lead by SteLam, so saying that he is the best ever is a good choice for me. Maybe fox is better nowadays, but the poll is about the best ever, and not the best today.
After SteLam, czm and ProZac are fair choices on the 2nd and 3d places, regarding their success in tdm.
<< Comment #168 @ 22:07 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wiseguy 
Just throwing in one ommission that I think should be on the list followed by a few reasons to back it up.

a|lantern

why:
1: Instrumental in creating the basic four maps(dm7/dm6/dm14/dm12) that teams *still* play today. It is something to think about, but were it not for him, arguably, one of the best tdm maps (dm14) might not have existed at all.
2: Just as stx/ck in NA were influencing the east coast, his involvment was influencing the entire west coast. During QIL4 his ideas on dm6 lead to a new way for quite a few teams to emulate. Witness it was abuse's most productive map the entire season and did not lose a dm6 in the qil4 finals. Much like ck had dm7, stx had dm14..abuse had dm6.
3: Much like czm, the game revolved around the details. Timing, controlling and playing smart took center stage vs raw rail aim.

Notes to ponder on NA vs EU scene. Both scenes were very competative with each other up to about the babbages/qil4 finals. Why? At the babbages event abuse vs allstars in a team game on dm6 went into double overtime with allstars winning by 1-2 frags. Allstars went on to get 3rd in the eurocup with plenty of best of 5 series going all 5 games, abuse finished 4th at qil in close matches. Which overall team was better would depend on the map, the mix of players and who was just "on" that day. Point is the scenes were very close.

After that the EU scene kept playing whereas the top NA teams retired, took an extended break or dropped off the map altogether. Today the EU scene is unquestionably better (due mostly to raw aim), wether that equates to producing the most influential player of all time is not up to me to decide.
<< Comment #267 @ 00:17 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By United States of America wrl  - Reply to #168
if i remember correctly, stx owned dm6 the year of qil4 on the east side. and unfortunately, a match for 3rd place between stx/abuse wasn't held. as stx had been owning cK on dm6 throughout that event, the past couple of events, and the concurrent event - eql, i don't think there was much doubt (as far as speculation goes) that stx would have taken abuse rather handily on dm6. i don't know how well you recall, but abuse was heavily regarded as the dm12 team (though stx were also quite strong on that map as well).

but ya, lantern owned in tdm.
<< Comment #170 @ 23:17 UTC, 27 July 2003 >>
By Belgium Gladius 
i consider stelam & kane the two best tdm'ers in q3 ever =>
<< Comment #174 @ 00:07 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Denmark brescia 
actually, i think its quiite hard to choose the BEST tdm player.. tdm is a teamplay mod, were players are playing together, and not playing for being the best.. If you are playing on a team were everybody takes everything, its not easy to be good..
I think the reason to players like fox's succes, is that he plays with one of the best teams.. players like gopher and toxic just own tdm, and they have allways been on the top..
If you look at unmatched/sk, í think the reason to there succes, was there amazing teamplay, and all the players understanding of each other..
So personaly i would rather choose a team as the best, than a player..

Top 3:

1. Unmatched
2. Vikings
3. Ice Climbers / Quad Peoples Org.
<< Comment #175 @ 00:11 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Germany shaq  - Reply to #174
that's good point! we should have a best tdm team of all times poll.

btw i wouldn't rate the vikings higher than qpo or ic.
<< Comment #181 @ 01:14 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Iceland hnns  - Reply to #174
Yes, I *wonder* why you place Vikings so high? :)

Anyway the idea of this poll was brilliant, but sadly, as expected it has turned into a popularity contest with a patriotic twist.

MOTH3RR RUSSSSSSIAAAAAAAAAAA:11!!
<< Comment #202 @ 12:45 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Belgium eri  - Reply to #181
maybe because they deserve so? remember ec 4.
The famous flame thread after ic-V on inet in which various ic members stated vikings wouldnt win a map on the ec lan .

And they went on to lose the finals from unmatched 4v3 maps

That proves enough imo as to how good V was when they put their minds to it.

One could rate ic higher but certainly not on the base of sportsmanship like i just showed :-)
<< Comment #220 @ 18:12 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Iceland hnns  - Reply to #202
Surely Vikings did great things in the past such as sweeping sca 3-0 in EC V, losing to p1mp in a five map thriller (p1mp later won the ec) etc etc, but they don't deserve being titled the second best Q3TDM clan in the games history do they?
btw I voted for stelam.
Edited by Percival at 18:15 GMT, 28th Jul 2003
<< Comment #233 @ 23:26 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Denmark brescia  - Reply to #181
The reason to i place Vikings so high, is that they deserve it..
They showed how good they were in EC4, were all the best teams attended that eurocup..
They beated ic out with, 3-0 in maps, played some very intensive matches vs QPO, which they won, and it ended with a very exiting final, but they lost to the team that could be called the best, but then you would have to remove slinger and stelam from unmatched, cause in my oppinion, they were the reason to sk's succes..
<< Comment #235 @ 01:07 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Europe Alz-Heimer  - Reply to #233
so true...

there are 2 clans that stand out in the european q3tdm-scene which are ic and umatched(sk) - and the vikings are right behind them. I've never seen them being lame or showing disrespect to their opponents - in the contrary. When a lot of frustrated nubs complained about u/sk's "boring" way to play and win vs superior aim, i think it was yodaz who wrote how much he appreciates this.

But i disagree with the last sentence. TDM is still a team game and with stelam and slinger both not being one man armies like fox or prozac, you can't underestimate zyz and neok or kane and para as the other half of the team!
<< Comment #176 @ 00:37 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
Eh ? I cant understand some of u guys.
Like thouse Russian for example what has mikes done that is so great? Forze won a CPL over IC okey ? And u say that mikes because of his games in that competition and what else? Should make him the best player ever? God i cant take this...When you have players like Stelam winning Eurocup after Eurocup then Ice Climbers who has won over Unmatched in CPL London? 2nd place after sudden death in Eurocup3 then every year dominate the TDM scene when it comes to Eurocups and competitions such as CPL Oslo, London, Qlan, 2nd @ Lanarena paris eh this years Eurochampions without any quistion? Then we have QPO who won the Lanarena7 and etc.. etc..Then Vikings of course! I can see it infront of me some small russian people sitting there and trying to fuck up the stats in the poll over 1 player that has done some nice things like winning one CPL with his clan after a nice run against IC. But do u even know how many times other players in other clans has done that thing over and over again? Take prozac for example This dude played in allstars* came along way in Eurocup3 3nd place i think? Then playing with P1mps winning the Eurocup that season then later after that playing with QPO winning Lanarena7 AND he became player of the YEAR! blablabla..
Then we take mikes who is a talant player aswell as the others i have mentions BUT! 1 CPL victory and then i dont know much more what he has done that is so great..? I know mikes from Quakenet and i dont say that he is bad or something like that but he is NOT the best tdmplayer of all time! Im gonna follow as my own eyes have seen from the very beginning of Quake3 arena.
Place
1.Stelam
2.Prozac / in the USA maybe Czm can get some credits
3.Gopher/toxic/sl1nger/
4.All other famouse tdm players
Like it says "best ever!" a more longterm not only 1 season but all seasons! Keep that in mind.
Today i think that FOX is the best tdm player around. Still i dont vote for him to be the best Ever!
Its very hard to say who the best player ever is because who can forget Eurocup 1 with EYEBALLERS (the old guys) AN(nikita & S(X)norgal), [MM] (Dark, voo) still this guys didnt play Q3 aslong as this players i have mention above so basicly Stelam and the others has more gaming time and more gold trophys from competitions then thouse old and newer players have. So kinda hard to place one singel player like this. A betther way is to take some time and come up with Best Tdm clan ever where people can rely on much more things.
<< Comment #188 @ 04:17 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
I totally agree. mikes has had a great tournament but that it was. also he isnt that kind of player you would expect to be told the best. he is a rusher like toxic with great aim and reflexes but thats not all q3 tdm is about.
my top3 would look like this

1.stelam
2.zyz
3.prozac

stelam is the player who brought tdm to another level. his aim was unmatched (with all weapons, cant be said about all nominated players), his defensive style was unbreakable and he had a great sense of danger. he won the biggest tournaments with unmatched for about 1.5 years. also he never was lame and a real idol to look up for, a great sportsman overall. he really is the fatality of q3tdm.
now you may wonder about zyz. well he won all only one tournament less then stelam. but he was playing much longer than him, playing several eurocups after the old unmatched days and always was considerable the best of his team. imo he is the most underrated player in q3tdm.
well the third position is kinda difficult, unimportant though. there are alot of great players as fox, toxic and mikes but i think prozac did the longest time the best.
<< Comment #263 @ 22:58 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Russia Wiser  - Reply to #188
Just for example: I voted for Mikes not only because there was "one great tournament", I really liked his tdm style before. And it's hard to choose "best player" when there are so many players to choose from... Unmatched players are best too ;)

P.S. And I hate Polosatiy's style of "1v1-ish" tdm.
Edited by Wiser at 22:59 GMT, 29th Jul 2003
<< Comment #190 @ 08:14 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By USSR Demiurge  - Reply to #176
lol, who cares? take a walk or something =)
You see, mikes is leading because the poll asks "Who is the best q3TDM player ever?" Well, what’s the big deal with a Russian following a link from c58.ru, recognizing a name, clicking a button, and forgetting about this page cause they cant read/write English? Anyway, my point is that you're taking this too serious =)
<< Comment #193 @ 10:15 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
u rusians take this to serious...
he is right, mikes on the first place is nothing more than a joke.
<< Comment #228 @ 21:30 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By USSR Demiurge  - Reply to #193
Imagine... If you were a user you could edit the spelling in your post!
<< Comment #179 @ 00:55 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
cK-bloodshot
<< Comment #180 @ 00:59 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
didn't stelam win most of the intresting tdm events ?
<< Comment #185 @ 02:57 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Ireland Rapp 
You cant give this a 100% definite answer, what most people fail to realise is that TDM clans which are successful have almost always at least 3 massively contrasting players/styles. You will not see fox diving on top of a quad with his guantlet out whereas thats left up to toxic/gopher whatever. Fox is a caged player, gopher is the manbeast without a leash. Zero4 is a player id like to have on my team, someone might kill him but u can be sure as fuck they wont have much health left afterwards.
<< Comment #187 @ 04:09 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
Yeah, Russia ownz1 ;))
<< Comment #189 @ 05:22 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By omg! noob~ 
whos mist?
<< Comment #191 @ 09:16 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Lucky Guns ESR Twist` 
I agree with some of the replies saying you should vote for teams and not for individuals. Everyone has his (or her :p) task and in the end it's the team result that counts. They are all really great players which make you go "ooOooOoOoOOOooOOo" when watching the demos :)
<< Comment #192 @ 09:36 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By shaFt's golden cup shaFt 
why isn't Warlock in the list?:(
<< Comment #194 @ 10:32 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk 
Howcome there are players voted better than fox? Seems very odd that someone would not vote for him. But then they might have misunderstood the poll or something. Fox is by far the best tdm'er ever and nobody can threaten his 1st place imo.
<< Comment #205 @ 12:50 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Belgium eri  - Reply to #194
mikes and stelam deserve to be higher , stelam for his consistently amazing play and mikes well, dont think anyone has forgotten that 1 lan tourney with forze where he beat teams like ic on his own
<< Comment #206 @ 13:03 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk  - Reply to #205
'ok'? jesus... thanks for denying me my right to think what i want. And also for telling me what is right and that my opinion is wrong. And thank you for leading me onto the only right way to think -the way that you think.
<< Comment #209 @ 15:21 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
'ok'? jesus... thanks for denying me my right to think what i want. And also for telling me what is right and that my opinion is wrong. And thank you for leading me onto the only right way to think -the way that you think.
<< Comment #210 @ 15:24 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Belgium eri  - Reply to #209
hmm that was me without login for some reason

same answer to you as you gave to me , copy pasted even for convenience

oh and yes , go on i know you want to . Nitpick on the fact that i forgot to include the allexplaining 'imo' in my original post
<< Comment #212 @ 16:12 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk  - Reply to #210
lamer...
<< Comment #223 @ 18:37 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Belgium eri  - Reply to #212
enough said

cant win the discussion for as much as there was one so has to resort to flaming .. big man !
<< Comment #247 @ 11:12 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk  - Reply to #223
winning the discussion?!??! omgplz lol stfu...

you copy/pasted my post and then you say "enough said" and calling me a flamer... wow, just wow. you make no sens dude... bye.
<< Comment #275 @ 14:00 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
why should i bother typing the same thing in different words

You accuse me of taking away your right of free opinion yet you do the same to me
<< Comment #296 @ 16:51 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk  - Reply to #275
THAT'S F*CKING IT, IGNORE LIST FOR YOU...

H8
<< Comment #298 @ 01:12 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
aww, truth hurts doesnt it

if it makes you feel good you'll be happy to know i'm crying my eyes out here at the thought of being on your ignore list , dont know if i'll ever overcome this harsh blow :(
<< Comment #211 @ 15:24 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden erzk  - Reply to #209
?
<< Comment #227 @ 20:32 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Colour: black D i M a  - Reply to #206
If you were to contradict yourself any more, you'd probably explode walking down the street :)
<< Comment #197 @ 10:44 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Supermanlogo biz 
senti/proZaC/toxic/mikes is the dreamteam -_-
<< Comment #199 @ 12:37 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
stelam all the way :)
<< Comment #203 @ 12:46 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Belgium eri 
Yodaz! :< Not for his aim but for his tactical insight in tdm.
<< Comment #207 @ 13:27 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Conspiracy Niek 
this is about TDM the best TEAMplayer is czm
<< Comment #214 @ 16:26 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Slovakia AdoreSP 
even though im not russian, i prefer mikes for his agressive style in tdm. he has mastered the movement, the aim is probably one of the best. To have most of the time positive net with a agressive style of play in tdm is imo difficult to achieve. Fox might be currently the #1 but u can see that his style is by far more def than mikes.
<< Comment #216 @ 17:53 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Nobles sd 
wheres kingpin?!?
<< Comment #217 @ 17:55 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By black sheep KingpiN  - Reply to #216
:>>>
<< Comment #248 @ 12:55 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Nobles3 Drexciyian  - Reply to #216
wheres sd? =p
<< Comment #218 @ 18:02 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
stelam best rail ever seen!
<< Comment #219 @ 18:06 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
<< Comment #221 @ 18:13 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Sweden calleking 
i think this poll is unusual stupid but then...

i voted on stelam :/
<< Comment #225 @ 19:13 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Netherlands koei 
rofl, mikes is leading...bollox, hes hardly in the top5!
<< Comment #226 @ 19:34 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By Germany pete 
stelam in the past, fox now
<< Comment #229 @ 22:32 UTC, 28 July 2003 >>
By United States of America brandan 
Archive.
<< Comment #237 @ 01:38 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 (black) Powerer 
BUT WHERE IS WOODCUTTER THE HUNGARIAN TDM'ER??? :DDDDDDDD
<< Comment #238 @ 01:53 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
btw i lied, i voted for Stelam :)
<< Comment #239 @ 02:37 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By United Kingdom gb 
i shall not choose as it is impossible to answer such a question
<< Comment #241 @ 03:46 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
Mikes is better than stelam ya cunts :))
<< Comment #242 @ 07:15 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
<< Comment #243 @ 09:03 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By USSR bamf  - Reply to #242
OMG! how could they
<< Comment #252 @ 18:41 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 kjafefjaes  - Reply to #243
THEY PROBABLY TYPED LIKE THIS:

GO VOTE FOR MIKES!!!

that is my theory on how they could
<< Comment #255 @ 19:39 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Q3 shishkin  - Reply to #252
probably?? your theory is wrong, cos they voted for fox and stelam as well
<< Comment #268 @ 01:35 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 kjafefjaes  - Reply to #255
I wanna bet ~1% of the russians voted for stelam and fox.

I have nothing against mikes, he's a great player, I just don't think he's top 4, and this whole nationality thing irritates me.

Could just as well have posted a poll saying "where are you from"
<< Comment #256 @ 19:39 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo  - Reply to #252
or the classic "MIKES/POLOS IS RUUULLLEZZZ". THEREFORE THEY ARE THE BEST!!1
<< Comment #269 @ 01:36 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Quake 3 kjafefjaes  - Reply to #256
POLOS IS RULEZZZZZZZZ POV ONLY PZL!!!!!!
<< Comment #246 @ 11:09 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Yugoslavia prodx 
lolol =)
<< Comment #249 @ 13:04 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
K A N E!!

Remember so old ec 1 or 2 it was in 2000 for sure when griff was still playing vs maybe EYE i think dm6 he got 60/70 frags i'd never saw anyone score so much back then =p, Xorgal rocked too

back then American demos were pretty good too, Wombats mad railing (mist is like the eu wombat imo =p) and players like ouija who imo are the best type of tdm'ers, they dont get the big frags and aren't well known but their soild TEAMPLAY carrys the team and allows others (czm & fat) go for the ffaish style play.
<< Comment #259 @ 22:44 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #249
Lizter scored 71 in the final dm6 game.
<< Comment #301 @ 19:19 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
By ratmstar punee  - Reply to #249
cK vs km, dm7.
<< Comment #253 @ 19:04 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
mikes has sick aim, but he is the dumbest tdmer ive ever seen.
-J
<< Comment #254 @ 19:36 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Q3 shishkin  - Reply to #253
This will probably nothing you're ever seen except your own demos vs anarki with "i can win" skillz :))
<< Comment #261 @ 22:45 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #254
can't he have his opinion without you trying to be a smartass?
<< Comment #273 @ 08:41 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Q3 shishkin  - Reply to #261
of course!
i'm just trying to undeceive he of an vote error ;-)
<< Comment #257 @ 20:07 UTC, 29 July 2003 >>
<< Comment #279 @ 17:10 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #257
this is tdm
<< Comment #284 @ 09:10 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Lucky Guns ESR Twist`  - Reply to #279
He played for D&M who were reasonably succesful
Edited by Twist` at 09:11 GMT, 31st Jul 2003
<< Comment #288 @ 12:27 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Sweden JapaN  - Reply to #284
'best ever' ...
<< Comment #270 @ 01:44 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Germany solousy 
No doubt stelam, prozac or czm. Because too hard to say whos the best, i voted for prozac as i always found him funny ;)
Flame on!
<< Comment #272 @ 04:37 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By England 50sQuiff 
Imo Swedish fanboyism is far far worse than the rather tongue-in-cheek Russian patriotism. It's not necessarily 'dumb' to vote for Mikes - it's a question of how you interpret the poll. You can take it to be who has been the best tdmer over the 4 years of Q3 taking into account whichever aspects you chose. Or you can simply take it to be who produced the best TDM ever in the history of q3 at any single moment in its life. In that sense I would vote Mikes because I think him and Forze DID produce the best Q3 tdm ever at Cologne. But that wasn't my interpretation and I voted for Zyz :) It's also great to see Polos in the top 10 because he's done the business right from BWEC onwards.
<< Comment #274 @ 12:04 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
for you all:

Best Tdm player is stelam. i saw that guy from the beginning of quake3 when he changed to ocrana. And of course schroet kommando deserves a big "respect" for anything they did.

But the props goes also to clan kapitol. You cannot compare the tdm-sessions in Us with europe....the pings are to shity in america and of course you arent such motivated to go ahead as if you have pings like in europe. But they won nearly every tournament they ever played. It was a Time, when q3 was big....very big.

And at this time, a lanfinal of a big tourney was played between cK and the eyeballers, which was the best clan at this time in europe.
It was cool to look back and see with how much power cK killded eye. It was cool to see the totaly new tactics by cK.

Such sessions are important, becouse it was a time when everyone had nearly the same expiriance. every idiot can learn how to play q3,...but the beginning is important to see how fast they grow.
<< Comment #282 @ 22:41 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By rpnew telly  - Reply to #274
It wasn't really eye at that cpl, it was just a pickup team they sent you couldn't really call a clan, albeit including some of the best individual players at that time. IIRC they lost to allstars at some lan just before frag 4 anyway so I guess they weren't the equivalent of top 4 in europe.
Edited by telly at 02:24 GMT, 31st Jul 2003
<< Comment #276 @ 14:58 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Colour: black D i M a 
me
<< Comment #277 @ 16:32 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Denmark DeeZnutZ 
/me wants Vikings back on the scene...
<< Comment #287 @ 11:59 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Switzerland veal  - Reply to #277
true! want them too :)
<< Comment #278 @ 17:05 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By -nepal- fooKi 
drqk is
<< Comment #280 @ 18:46 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Denmark DeeZnutZ 
ahva? fulde svensker
<< Comment #281 @ 21:54 UTC, 30 July 2003 >>
By Sweden bruttO 
Cant some1 vote for poor revenant? :S.. hasnt got a signle vote yet :\
<< Comment #290 @ 13:20 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By ram0n anim paprik  - Reply to #281
ok, i did

gimme cookie now
<< Comment #291 @ 13:32 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By Sweden bruttO  - Reply to #290
Dont have any cookie.. Maybe a [+] will satisfy you m8? :P
<< Comment #292 @ 13:59 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By ram0n anim paprik  - Reply to #291
yeh, that's nice
<< Comment #289 @ 13:19 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
By ram0n anim paprik 
rofl, 'America' is somewhat more than just USA.
peace.
<< Comment #293 @ 14:36 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
Well I voted for the Mikes and didnt come from c58s page. And I had 2 reasons for that:

1. Forze team is not so strong as for ex. IC where all the time some1 gets at least 50 frags. But mikes is alone in this team and almost all the games he finished on the 1st plays. Have you ever played TDM?? No mater how good you shoot if your team plays good you gonna get many frags cuz enemys have no weapons, one team is running and ownaging and another trying to get weapon und not to die...

2. And the second reason is Ping. I would like to see how would play fox with ping 60-100 =) Where you can do notin after spawning cuz ya machinegun doesnt shoot there where its crosshair is. You know, on all Lan tournaments Forze were always very strong. Without having so good TDM players as TOXIC FOX GOPHER PROZAC STELAM etc. Almost all the "power" (not Pow3R =) to Forze gave Mikes. And thats why he is one of the best TDM players ever. I repeat ONE OF THE BEST as FOX STELAM TOXIC

Thats my opinion

POLOS is like a legent like a fatality but he sux in TDM no metter what you say...

Peace ppl

BC^gaF
<< Comment #294 @ 16:25 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
Well all I can said is my opinion and I think that US in TDM and taktiks sux hard very hard. Also I want to add 2 clans:
-Vikings: Best tactic clan I´ve ever seen cause they play as one hard team. And their players arent good at 1 vs 1.
-D&M: I think that D&M had done good games like in Eurocup or in Lan arena they lose vs IC for only 3 frags I guess. And I highly recomend you to download a demo from D&M Sombra vs Ironfist.
-IC: I think IC is best clan in TDM ever and Toxic his best playah!
thats all.
<< Comment #306 @ 00:20 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
By Denmark trenox  - Reply to #294
I just have to mention that Joyce was actually an amazing 1on1 player (probably the best in dk when he was at his peak), but he chose to focus more on tdm in the end. (ok I'm biased but I know the guy in person, so sue me :P)
<< Comment #295 @ 16:26 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
sorry for the 3 posts only read one ok? :) delete them plz!
<< Comment #299 @ 09:08 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
By Lucky Guns ESR Twist`  - Reply to #295
You can do so yourself, it's at the top right of your posts.
Edited by Twist` at 09:09 GMT, 1st Aug 2003
<< Comment #297 @ 23:27 UTC, 31 July 2003 >>
Latest big TDM tournament was POX onlain tourney.There were best TDM players,and it was 2 on 2 .And Mikes and Cooller won there twice!!!!!And if you saw demos you know who is the best. MIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< Comment #300 @ 14:38 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
By Denmark DeeZnutZ  - Reply to #297
Mayby cooller smashed them, not killing them, and then Mikes took them down with mg?
<< Comment #305 @ 21:43 UTC, 1 August 2003 >>
By Sweden sampo  - Reply to #297
yes m1kes attended a small lan, which says NOTHIN, and therefore he is the best -ever-.

keep such comments to yourself, thanks
<< Comment #307 @ 04:43 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
Why is mikes in second?... he's got crazy aim, but he plays really stupid. well thats my impression from watching 2 of his demos at least. i was amazed at his pro quality aim, but at the same time appauled by his retarded decision making. "wtf did he do that for?!?"
-J
<< Comment #308 @ 09:47 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
Doomer gets my vote.

-All*Nirvana
<< Comment #313 @ 22:41 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
By stoneeh's GRRRIIINNNNN2 stoneeh  - Reply to #308
hi you norwegian owner =)
<< Comment #309 @ 09:48 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
By Sweden triforc3 
the best tdm players of all time is easely

fox desp prozac zyz mikes
<< Comment #314 @ 22:42 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
By stoneeh's GRRRIIINNNNN2 stoneeh  - Reply to #309
idiot..
stelam?
<< Comment #310 @ 11:27 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
b2k are the best ca pm1 adn dm player ;)
<< Comment #311 @ 13:40 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
SteLam -.-;;
<< Comment #312 @ 22:41 UTC, 2 August 2003 >>
By stoneeh's GRRRIIINNNNN2 stoneeh 
miso is a junky and tulls never won anything, so why vote for him?
<< Comment #318 @ 22:29 UTC, 3 August 2003 >>
By Sweden dRD 
Not having DOOMer in the list is a joke. IMO the best TDM player ever. Also a great CTF player and kick ass dueler too.
<< Comment #319 @ 02:32 UTC, 4 August 2003 >>
By Unreal flag Cramenic 
I only watched 1 q3 TDM demo ... 519(i think its Zero4 plus czm... pov was Tim yateS) VS. Fox and fazz... the rail of the POV was Insane... maybe the best rail i've ever seen(i saw like 60 duel demos)

sorry for my english
<< Comment #322 @ 22:53 UTC, 4 August 2003 >>
By Germany makku  - Reply to #319
It was boodah's pov. zero4 (gestahl519) & boodah (timberland519) vs. fazz and fox (both p1mps at that time). And boodah's rail is truely elite, he owned these 2 swedes all alone.

I just searched my old demos for this match, so if anyone's interested in watching boodah's crazy rail: grab it here.
Edited by w1zzard at 23:30 GMT, 4th Aug 2003
<< Comment #320 @ 02:34 UTC, 4 August 2003 >>
By Unreal flag Cramenic 
... it was not TDM 4x4... it was 2x2 on dm6.... ehehe sorry for the expert's in TDM
<< Comment #323 @ 09:42 UTC, 5 August 2003 >>
I find it amazing that DOOMer is not on the list.... This guy have played TDM since QW in klans like [9] and All* and is recognized as one of the best team-players ever i quake. Currently he is playing CTF Wolfclaw.
<< Comment #324 @ 00:42 UTC, 6 August 2003 >>
Hey!!!

what it´s happening!!

stelam is no 1 no problemo but!!!! Mikes ass no 2 and proZaC 3 and Fox 4´th!!

No way!!

Lock at the ic peapol!! GOPHER and TOXIC and Pani!!

If you look back 2 yers thos 3 was outstnding in q3tmd!!

look at litzter!! he was outstnding in EC1!!!

put out some demos of all th players and then put out a pool of whos is he best q3TDM player ever!!!

all off the votes is from peapol who dont know q3.. if a pool shod be right talk to all the players who has played all EC games and cpl games.... Then you have a winner!!!!!

Pease!!

Over and out from a drunk sweede!!
<< Comment #325 @ 07:25 UTC, 6 August 2003 >>
By bluedot lockdog 
WTF?
WHERE IS OPIUM? FFS INCLUDE OPIUM HE IS THE BEST TDM PLAYER EVER^&#^%89 *fniss*
<< Comment #326 @ 12:17 UTC, 6 August 2003 >>
stelam of course is the best q3 team player ... legends like fatal1ty, prozac etc are just good single-fighters, not team-mates ... see qpo/p1mps for prozac :) one man army °_°
Edited by oujie at 12:19 GMT, 6th Aug 2003
<< Comment #329 @ 07:16 UTC, 7 August 2003 >>
By Canada NoOn3FreaK  - Reply to #326
lol p1mps were 4 one man army :)
<< Comment #328 @ 07:15 UTC, 7 August 2003 >>
Wtf do you mean by America?
American, USA would be correct.
You didnt say Europe for blockey or Paracyde so i asume its an error.
<< Comment #330 @ 16:32 UTC, 7 August 2003 >>
<<Hark>>
I'm russian , but voted next:

1) Stelam\Zyz
2) Fox\Gopher
3) czm

PS
sorry mikes :))
<< Comment #331 @ 11:52 UTC, 8 August 2003 >>
2 #329
when p1mps won against IC, fox played for pimps as tech who moved later to ic... So dont bullshit a bullshit about 1 man army.
<< Comment #334 @ 14:17 UTC, 9 August 2003 >>
By Sweden fazz  - Reply to #331
fox didnt play for p1mps as tech.. fox AND tech played for p1mps..aswell as prozac and nutcase..
Edited by fazz at 10:24 GMT, 11th Aug 2003
<< Comment #339 @ 09:40 UTC, 11 August 2003 >>
By Lucky Guns ESR Twist`  - Reply to #334
fox AND tech played for tech
edit in order? :)
<< Comment #332 @ 10:37 UTC, 9 August 2003 >>
By Unreal logo 2 ozt 
if this poll is about net and frags I'm very surprised that Xenon isn't in hte list
<< Comment #333 @ 10:38 UTC, 9 August 2003 >>
By Unreal logo 2 ozt  - Reply to #332
Edit Why xenon isn't in the list :)
<< Comment #335 @ 17:51 UTC, 9 August 2003 >>
pretty lame that everyone is forgetting the true DAMAGE GIVEN KINGS drush and desp
truly 2 of the best tdm players of all times
<< Comment #337 @ 02:19 UTC, 10 August 2003 >>
By Colour: black 255 
if you didn't vote for stelam, you're an idiot.
<< Comment #338 @ 08:19 UTC, 11 August 2003 >>
[9]........Xenon, he was a good tdm-player.....
<< Comment #340 @ 16:45 UTC, 12 August 2003 >>
By Netherlands koei 
wheres thefou btw?
<< Comment #344 @ 12:50 UTC, 8 October 2003 >>
By Quake 3 suic 
sigh... stupid people voting for ZeRo4 and Fatal1ty.
Please fuck off thanks.
Second. Why the fuck is Stelam #1 ?
I mean ok hes good but jesus not the best TDM'er by FAR !
This poll is a joke and completely inaccurate
If them 'BUT ZERO4 HAS 60 RAIL acc ' fags would quit voting we might see something

*soz for me being pissed off
<< Comment #348 @ 23:56 UTC, 6 March 2011 >>
By MLP_FlutterShy Teen Queen 
After 8 long years, we should totally have a Who is the best QL TDM player ever?
<< Comment #349 @ 01:03 UTC, 7 March 2011 >>
By rammstein *deotrip butcher_kgp  - Reply to #348
noctis.

eod.
<< Comment #350 @ 18:24 UTC, 11 December 2016 >>
By Slovenia CAREEM 
fatality :D
<< Comment #351 @ 11:24 UTC, 12 December 2016 >>
By Turkey Raist  - Reply to #350
nice necro.
<< Comment #352 @ 14:37 UTC, 12 December 2016 >>
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