great

Stream is finished, added VoD link!

Synopsis for those who don't watch video?

Weebs - Handheld eggbot grenades that have assorted personality. Weapons aren't finished, working on maps. Will be finished at some point in 2017.

Showed some maps. No linux. Looking for an animation guy because they're lacking quite a few of them. Regarding specs, said they're taking so long to release it that everyone will have supercomputers then.

^^ also forgot to mention that 2gd frowns on using map remakes such as analwalk and cuckgrounds.

cumgrounds sounds better.
Add some buckets and he won't notice.

He wrecked all his stupid ideas and will do a Q3/QL basically.

why is he always by himself on the map?

is the actual combat so unfinished?

Doesn't matter much at this point of development.

Gameplay-wise the only thing that matters right now is that he is testing out what he wants, on the alpha state instead of doing that when the game has been already released years ago (Warsow, Reflex).

wut.

they're working on gun animations, are you saying that is more important than the gameplay?

Yes. Gameplay takes way less time to develop than making the models and animating them. Plus for the most part gameplay can be done at the end because it doesn't rely on having completed previous parts of the game before, unlike gun animations that require the guns to be made.

Are you actually positive about diabotical? Isn't your thing to be negative about anything that isn't OSP? Or are you just really sucking on 2gd's dick?

I'm only negative about Warsow and Reflex.

Weren't you always critical of Warsow's art style? This looks almost the exact same, and in fact goes even further with the cartoonish look and feel. Gameplay wise it offers nothing new either like reflex - so what exactly do you like about this / dislike about wsw+reflex.

I have never criticized the art style of Warsow. I disliked that the devs started changing the gameplay, the maps and the overall concept after 0.12 or 0.2 (can't recall which). In actuality Warsow implemented the cartoonish gfx you are describing years after everyone had stopped playing it, so nobody cared by then.

What I dislike about Reflex are not the graphics and not even the gameplay or the game itself, but the project. I dislike what the devs did to falsely advertise the game as a Quake3 successor when in actuality they were trying to move away from QL, to then beginning to falsely advertise themselves as the CPMA developers (Arqoon is the only one that matters) and seasoned developers as well (without saying they only made 2D GBA games that received 6/10 scores), and the huge amount of unfulfilled promises for a game on development since 2012. Not that it matters anymore, since Reflex has practically no playerbase (irrelevant) and the project leader has long left (it's not even Reflex anymore).

I'm not positive or negative about Diabotical. Didn't say that on those two posts, didn't imply it. Just said that the gameplay is usually refined once the game is more developed on other aspects, which is true in game development. When devs don't do that and just begin with gameplay is that you end up with games such as Warsow and Reflex, that years down the line start having new versions of the gameplay, which of course drives people away.

Warsow's gameplay changed much more significantly than that before that - for instance it used to have unlimited wall jumps etc. The biggest change from 0.1 - > 0.2 was that they nerfed the rail hard because it was totally dominant. Hardly the sort of thing that would justify the level of vitriol you displayed over the years.

For reflex, I'm fairly sure they positioned themselves (within the afps community at least) as a successor to cpm. Perhaps to the wider gaming public, that would be interpreted as being a quake3 successor. Either way, hardly something justifying the level of hate you throw their way.

The reason that it's quite clear that you are fanboyishly positive about diabotical is because you seem to be willing to atleast try and make some kind of seemingly level headed arguments about it, even if they are totally wrong - art assets are usually the thing that comes last - first you refine the gameplay/features using placeholder assets etc and then once you know what you need you start finalising the art. Ideally you would do it more or less in parallel though. Think about how a map is made for example - the art pass come at the later stages, once the layout is more or less refined.

Either way this criticism of yours doesn't really apply to Warsow or reflex as these were made open to the public at a much earlier stage than diabotical. If you recall, when reflex went early access, all the maps were grey box etc

*had to reply in 2 posts bcos mobile

Cant believe i agree at something with megakid3

Warsow 0.1x was very good, it all want downhill from there.

to then beginning to falsely advertise themselves as the CPMA developers (Arqoon is the only one that matters)

It was always a team effort. arQon was the code developer and very heavily involved in analyzing and signing off ideas but ideas came from the design team and the community as well and went through major phases of testing.

Totally agree. I remember when Reflex was just out of kickstarter I was quite passionate about its future, I argued against the HUD timers etc and asked for callvotable vq3 physics. These two simple changes would have made it far more popular, rather than targeting a niche of a niche (a specialised mode of an already small player base - arena shooter) All I got was abuse from Reflex fanatics. Well look how things turned out.

duel killed QL and air control killed Reflex
Obama killed Osama

ahhh.

so if gameplay is so easy to get right then why are there so many games with nice gun animations that get forgotten instantly?

It's not that it's easy or difficult. It's just that without a solid foundation you shouldn't be immediately making final decisions; otherwise sooner or later that work will have to be redone. So many Quake clones have made that mistake.

The foundation here is to first have clear concepts and to have a game that works, no matter how it plays. For small companies those two processes are harder than making the gameplay. So, the priority is and should be to have a clear concept, to make a functioning engine and to hire artists. If not then the game would be another Warsow or another Reflex, in terms of them starting to re-make the whole concept, re-make the guns, re-make the gameplay and so on, with all the previous years long work being wasted because of not having a solid foundation.

TBH 99,9% of games are forgotten instantly. It's how the industry is. Look at how many one year old multiplayer PC games have more than merely 10,000 active players (have a healthy global playerbase): it's no more than only 30. Out of those games no more than 5 have over one million active players (have a healthy playerbase for esports).

Did they show abilities and such yet? I was pretty disappointed to watch either last stream before this or near Christmas and see the showcase of pretty much nothing that builds on current AFPS.

Abilities in Diabotical?

Is that now the only way to "evolve" AFPS?

No its just one of the MAIN points he had made the past few years that would differentiate this game to Quake.

I haven't been following it so closely. I guess I missed the memo. What sort of abilities was he talking about? Or did he just use the word "abilities" in a vague way?

Stuff like invisibility, personal teleporter to name a few, this was all a year or more before the kick starter when he was showing the first footage of the engine and game.

It's just something to want to see since literally all his showing for the past 6 months is Quake remake.

Hmm he could have changed direction by now.

I remember talk about the game originally being supposed to have classes, but hasn't that idea been dropped?

I think during the kickstarter phase, he talked about abilities that you pick up (so no eggbot "champion") and then can activate later on ... IIRC

i dont understand how this guy has so much support, the streams are boring as fuck and the game is a quake clone, whats so cool about it?

that game will be DOA anyway.
another reflex, warsow, quake clone with silly playermodels (shooting at balls, wtf?)
enjoy your daily 20ppl peak playerbase.

It wil be such a fun game to play though. A shame peple forget the 200,000 plus people donated just to get a CHANCE to play the game :)

You're not completely wrong but wrong enough for me to call you a nigger faggot (nothing personal, #nohate)

The fact that it's 2GD's game gives it more life than 10 Reflexes combined.

I bet 2GD blew all the KS money on coke, hookers, and whiskey and now trying to figure out whether he should do another KS campaign or just ask GabeN for money.

It's possible!

u jealous?

Anon's KS for an indie AFPS title must've failed. Reflex dev, maybe?

lol could be

some news? -_-

Release date still at "June 2017" on the kickstarter page. I sincerely hope the quietness is just them working extra hard to make the date!!

He said on stream that after trying Quake Champions--the objectively best game in the Quake series--that he's giving up the development of Diabotical.

WHAT?! has to be bs

w00t

both games need 3-4 more months -_-

and on 9.8 DESTINY 2 °_°

now I'm curious if there is anything he did actually say about QC

He's always struck me as a man of taste, I can't believe he'd say that.

If he really said that, it strikes me as typical 2gd tongue in cheek sarcasm. :D

It was purely sarcastic. The project is carrying on and James is far from giving up on it. Please, don't ridicule yourself again.

It doesn't help he's stopped the regular update streams, though. I don't know why you'd stop cause it gets people hyped for the game but now everyone is forgetting the game is even "still happening" now that QC has launched.

Even if he can't showcase huge leaps forward each stream, maybe he can play a duel or show off something cool they're planning to do? Surely there must be a lot happening behind the scenes. Those streams are basically free publicity!

He's busy playing QC. :D

FIRED

9-12 weeks till somethin

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