i am

strenex

h8m3

:D :D :D

h4h4

id say most of them?

high sens ftw, tho!

low sens is for ppl with crippled bodies

How? They need to move their mouse even more with lower sens.

doesnt that mean high sens takes more precision?

Yes, yes it does.

Depends on what you consider low, there aren't many players with 50+ cm/360 like strenx, but fairly many with 35-45 for example
Evil got 30cm + hardware kinzu accel, i'd still consider this as mid sens

yeah i'd love to sit down at some pro's pcs and actually play with their mice and cfgs. thing with cfgs and mice and shit is u can hardly ever even get close to a pro's setup, and u can never be sure you're in the same ball park.
i'd like to go to av3k for example at a lan tell him to get up and sit in his place to see his sens

that's actually true, there are so many techniques of aiming that you can't even get close to knowing what does the pro player use till you take it on your own... you can aim with your wrist, your arm, you can do what rapha's doing wich is totally crazy, he's like not even moving the whole mouse but just front side, can't explain

by knowing the cfg and mouse player is using you can deduct only some small things like how much accel, and stuff, but you'll never get in feel of the whole setup

spectating a player also isn't a good idea to get to know what he's using, for example someone might play with kinda low sens like av3k, but with whole arm, and it feels like crazy high sens (wich actually is mid, i'd say) and someone can play with high sens/accel like rapha and you totally won't feel that from spec pov cause he's just using his mouse in such different way

he's like not even moving the whole mouse but just front side, can't explain

i notice myself doing this a lot while LGing. sometimes a detriment, other times it works out just fine.

I always felt that high sens is 0 - 17 CM, medium = 18 -27, low = +28

Not that i am anybody to tell others what to think.

He's aiming with his wrist that's why I concider him a rather mid sens player, moreover as i said he got slight accel

Mouse acceleration changes more then people seem to think it does. If i remember correctly LeXer had 70 CM with high accel, So it is difficult to say if he is mid or extremely low sens.

His accel made his sens crazy high though, sens 2 accel 2 on a 400dpi mouse, thats fast!

0-2 =high, 3-5 = medium, 6+ = very low for me :>

How do you aim?

As everyone. Using extreme hi sens since Quake2. In 2006/7 I started to play with higer sens I think.

from spectating i always thought that poni has a very low sens. but ins told me on streamchat that he has like sens 9000.

It should be noted that if a player turns fast, they might have a low sens, and if they turn really slow they might have a very high sens.

Which might be counterintuitive, but makes perfect sense if you think about how your hand would move with each.

you're talking about duel pros obviously? Hard to say because 90% of them use acceleration in one or the other way.

Strenx = 50+ cm and Kinzu
Cooller = 27 cm no accel (so midlow)
Cypher = 35+ cm, less than .1 accel with offset
Tox = 40 cm, no accel
Fazz=30 cm, .001 accel or something

Zero4 looks a lowsens with accel guy but can't really tell
Pavel = i don't know exactly but he should have a rather low sens
Spart1e uses .8 sens but i have no clue on what dpi, so :D

that's pretty much it nowadays i think

I thought Tox was on 25 cm. Also i seriously wonder about players using 0.001 accel. Does it really do anything at all?

I changed my sensitivity to 0 and added really low accel and you have to move your hand really fast to notice anything at all.

EDIT: i think spart1e mentioned that he uses 1800 DPI. I am not certain so don't take it as something he does.

Yes, spartie uses 1800 dpi, no accel.

But doesn't he use a mouse with some built in accel or is that just bullshit?

Spartie has been using Zowie mouse for several weeks already

do you know what zowie mouse he's using ?

no idea, ask him

accel values withouth knowing DPI are meaningless
http://www.funender.com/quake/mouse/index.html#settings

Of course, but i just checked and it barely moved one single degree when i made a 30 cm flick on 0.001 accel. The question is does it really make a difference or is it just psychological? I would like to see his input and see how often the accel actually kicks in and how much it does.

Of course, but i just checked and it barely moved one single degree when i made a 30 cm flick on 0.001 accel

but it depends on DPI(and yaw/pitch too) :)
if you have 400 DPI it's not noticeable, but try 0.001 accel with 3500 dpi for instance

edit:wait, what player are you talking about?

"Fazz=30 cm, .001 accel or something"

i tested with 3500 DPI, 0.001 accel and i get "0.04177258354516709" real accel

"The real accel value calculated above is the number of extra degrees per cm gained by moving the mouse at 1 cm/s". You have to make a really powerful flick to make it noticeable unless you have that high DPI.

Although he might not even use that low accel but i checked many configs before and many use 0.1 accel some of them with WMOs so i wonder if that low accel really does something.

According to this http://trance.gg/Quake-demos/DHS11/configs/ Fazz uses cl_mouseaccel 0.05

0.1-0.2 accel on wmo is the equivalent of 0.001 accel on 3500 dpi deathadder, roughly

Cooller no accel? I remember when i was testing pros' cfgs he had quite a big accel, but maybe things changed or sth.

In QL he's had 0.25 with sens 3.1 (yaw 0.016, pitch 0.020) and in Q3 I think he had 0.5 with sens 4.5 (y/p 0.014/0.015).

I think he still uses accel based on the games I've seen from him so far (after his comeback, new mouse etc.).

zowie ec2 has some built-in accel

Alright, I didn't know that. Looks like some mid/high sens with accel :) Judging from the video of him at Prague LAN.

Actually i'm not saying that he's not using quake accel also. Just saying it might be his mouse. :)

Oh, no I got that :) I doubt the mouse has as much built-in accel as Cooller is used to. :)

Source? I have never heard of that, a bit of negative accel when it reaches max speed if anything

source is that i was using one for some time and it certainly had accel

Sorry but that's not enough, the zowies are not known to have accel

Maybe he is confused about the dpi of the mouse. Zowie have 450/1150/2300 not 400. Also by default I believe they are set at 1000htz polling rate which can feel a bit accelerated if you used 500htz polling rate before although this feeling usually goes away very quickly. Another thing you can disable windows mouse acceleration in the control panel in mouse settings by unchecking Enhance pointer precision. If this happens in quake and you don't use acceleration try cl_mouseaccel 0.

If your game supports raw mouse input (in QL it's default value 2 of cvar in_mouse) then u don't need any manipulations with Windows mouse settings. If your game doesn't support raw mouse input unchecking Enhance pointer precision won't help.
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1846538

I know that but this guy said his mouse had built in accel and it isn't supposed to have it. Just trying to help him out. Thought mabey he execed a config with in_mouse -1.

BS!

No it does not. Please refrain from spreading misinformation in the future. Thanks!

but man, when you say 0.001 accel and 0.1 it tells nothing, cause i have to know if someone is using windows accel, if he has built-in mouse accel, what about m_yaw, m_pitch, what about mouseaccel offset and stuff

i mean, you know that this 0.001 accel might feel higher than 0.1 in-game?

it's standardized to a normal 400 dpi mouse

in_mouse 2 very likely bypasses windows accel.

yaw/pitch/offset are usually in the configs, but yes they make a big difference, and unfortunately many pros use non-default values for them complicating matters.

DPI is also extremely important, because for example, accel 0.5 at 800 dpi is accel 2 at 400.

It should be clear that at 400 dpi there's a gigantic difference between 0.5 and 2.

http://imgur.com/rycBS42

DH:W might be the greatest chance of all time to gather configs!

naaah, no more configs -.- its time for using a ruler and get the real cm/360°.
(i dont think, that they use these low sensitivities, its all lies, so that noobs cant compete)

Slightly old but relevant links:

http://esreality.com/post/1907380/eswc-2010-s...pi-thread/
http://esreality.com/post/1370847/high-accel-...eal-accel/

Cooller without accel, and a quite heavy and big asymetric mouse...

what has the world come to? :O

EC2 is more compact than g400 you're using

well ec2, but still not the mouse you would have thought someone like cooller would have switched to.

i'm using ec1 evo atm and will get the cl version too, because more grip would be a big improvement for my sweaty hands. :D

if that is without accel...it's quiet impressive. also extremely high m_pitch. we all have different brains, muscles and nerves. the day you realize that..is the day you stop trying using pro players configs

the sideways keyboard position... always looks weird.

tox is 35cm/360

citation needed

To give an idea, I use my whole arm to move mouse. Was using 2.4 sens with WMO/1.1/3.0 no accel.

Just looking for other pro's using something in the 35+cm range. Im currently at 43 but just went to 34.
Problem Im mainly having is that my lg has been phenomenal but rockets,rail, and general movement are awful. Trying to find a happy medium. I used 24 for a couple of days but my LG aim was like 25%

I bounce around between 2.5 and 3.5 sens with WMO a lot. I can't really stick with one or the other for more than a couple days.

Same problem.

Using G400, 400dpi. 1000hz pollingrate.
Sens around 2.8 / 3.0 / 3.2
QL Accel 0.22
yaw&pitch 0.018

Well, feels different all the time. I am going to DH:W

whats the point of changing yaw and pitch if you just leave them both the same value?

i never understood that. just lower your sensitivity by another tenth or 2 tenths.

if you use accel, yaw and pitch will scale the mouse movement after accel has been applied. you would need to change both your sens and accel to achieve what yaw/pitch does

I was using sens 1.8 with my wmo in that duel we played on t7 where I hit all those stupid rails.

That's a stupid low sens; no accel?

.1 accel

thing is, you have to get used to it.. so changing it every time doesn't help at all

imo it's upon time that pros actually say sth on this topic. they could give their thoughs and tell the community/THEIR FANS (!) bout their settings - those are known to be much much desired infos anyway. to me the forever-ongoing ignorance of pros regarding all those mouse setup topics are disrespectful to the community, showing how much of a fuck they actually give bout helping the regular playerbase, including fans.

What?

Dude there is no secret formula. It's not some kind of conspiracy. Pros use whatever they're comfortable with.

agreed

Anyone know agents? Seems retardedly high from watching the fpvod from last local RU LAN

what's the point of using low sens in this game if the hitboxes are so big in this game?

for tribes ascend sure, quake no

monitor, fov, mouse, dpi, sens in cm/360, ql sens/acc/etc, keyboard, mousepad of some russians
http://goo.gl/YEf3w

fov doesn't mean much unless you mention the resolution they play at too (aspect ratio). Still very nice none the less.

nice :) so... 'standard' setup among those seems to be a abyssus or a am/fk + 6gv2/qck. that and 1000hz usb, 450dpi and lowish (90-100) fov.

no cooller, shit list !

List just got non-shitty!

:D
yeh saw that !

updated a bit: fearzzz, cas, latrommi, cooller, noctis included

maybe a better question, what pro's use their whole arm to aim?

I too used to spend hours on config , so i'm not gonna say anything now.

You don't know what low sense really is if you haven't played Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory.

Cheers beAstyboy

But none of da pros can aim except k1llsen, tox, ratpha, and cooller.

There is no point in using super low sens in quake live when the game is 1 meter as fuck.

Tribes Ascend low sens makes sens.

try saying something else than "i use high sens for quake, tribes ascend is my lover" for a change please, u write that everywhere zZz*

but i like quake more
it's that tribes ascend awoke me to the other side of the eim

have to play multiple fps 4 enlightenment

now its cool and all that you found setups that work best for you. still you shouldnt act like you need to convince everyone else of your ways. i think everyone who plays quake over a long period of time has tested this to an extend where they have developed something most comfortable to them.
your mouse settings might be ideal for you, but that wont matter for everyone else. a lot of factors influence this like the way one sits infront of his pc, the way he controlls the mouse with his hand/wrist/arm/shoulder, the games he played before, his physical attributes etc etc. i for example have always played with mice that have build in accel + at work i have to draw things on autoCAD with a accelmouse. now that i own a mouse without accel at home i mimick that feeling because everything else feels totally alien to me. i am a totally different person than you are and hence what is best to me is totally different than whats best for you. with that in mind its still interesting to see what settings other use but its borderline pointless to try to find a "best" setup for everyone.

duh
i meant relatively high sens is best for quake

not 100cm/360

so relatively high is <100 cm / 360° to you.. good news then, everyone is using highsens.

except psygib with 108cm

:D dear god jiggly, who is psygib if you aren't trolling Lave?

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/statistics/psygib

here he is, he actually does use 108