qzt7 most enjoyable map at the moment

how dare you not play such a good map?

you all fucking stubborn q3er !

Its zzz with water...

What do you find enjoyable in this map ? srsly

it has a ztn like opportunity for the players to steal items with smart play and not only with fights. when you pick the right areas to fight, you can be strong with whatever weapon you like. and i just generally like the flow and the movement+rj possibilities. also the map offers a lot of potential that has yet to be explored

I'm a ztn lover.... wtf?

teach me :(

You can avoid the water pretty easily.

tonight it's a blast!

T7 is the best new map.

yo t7, I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish, but t9 is still a better new map

:D

t9 kicks ass idd
it's the best map so far for the current game settings

you forgot ztn

i didn't
ztn isn't balanced enough with the current spawn system
i used to really like it watching q3 demos...rightnow it's lame (as like as lameground redux)

That's not saying a lot.

what does it mean?

agree
no lava, no win

EVAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

This map is trash.

Map is alright.


edit: t9 is better though.

t7 is only fun when both players have good rail aim.
+ the RA area is super chaotic with thousand pillars and uneven floor, fairly random things happen, I feel t9 is better of the new maps except sometimes spawns are little retarded for a down player.

yeah the majority of the map feels too cluttered to me.

I agree, even though I don't mind the pillars. I like the overhangs that let you move around between the ground floor and the second floor.... alot different than most maps.

I agree, all rail map

This map is fucking good, l2p.

DUEL ? CMON
:>

The map is fucking rubbish.

There is enough shit in the way to make any rubbish dump look clean.

All red armor fights are scrappy - and pointless tiles that make 0 splash damage if you happen to hit them.

You can't even see through the grated floors (outside lg / mh), yet can get hit through.

Fights that take a while mean the dickhead will just spawn with main powerup (mh/ra) in other room.

water at rg.... LOL! I didn't think guns worked under water.

The map looks like it was right out of quake 4.

Whoever said it was like ztn is the most clueless idiot. and more than likely terrible at quake.

Thats totally what I think couldnt agree more.

Especially about the RA fights... so annoying

It feels like hiding behind a box CS style

it's a good map, you can choose what style to play :)

the tiles are good, its better to have position on ra if ur enemy is low, so u gotta judge where he's gonna come from.

the grated floors are like that so its more important to have hold on middle, so u cant just come and steal mh from the guy in control.

fights that take a while. lol. dont u think he is trying to delay u to do that? old obvious tactic. all maps are designed like this, it's meant to be difficult to control all items.

rg at water? because its a strong weapon on the map, it needs to have some kinda drawback to getting it. u can get trapped there and it helps to make the map more aggressive, which is good.

it's not much like ztn, but a good player can surprise +back railers with rockets by choosing only to fight in good position vs bad position. plus there's a lot of items so u can have good control, but u gotta be faster than other maps cos its so big.

basically, ur arguments are pretty dumb. sounds like u just got raped and ragequit, typing everything u did wrong =)

his arguments are fine yours are not: "good map, you can choose what style to play" & "the tiles are good"... yeah right ://


oh and you didn't even understand what he tried to say about fights taking a while.

The water at rg is good, RA could be improved. But I have far more fucking shitty 0 damage rocket fights on t9, fuck that shit.

"... is the most clueless idiot. and more than likely terrible at quake."

Is it you ?

Complaining about water, tiles & grated floors. Omg. And also, q4 wasn't bad.

All red armor fights are scrappy - and pointless tiles that make 0 splash damage if you happen to hit them.

ra fights are quite random, even more so because of the tiles (fu id for not fixing it) and thats a drawback but why do you call ra fights crappy? there are a lot of ways to attack and different positions to attack, i find it quite interesting.

You can't even see through the grated floors (outside lg / mh), yet can get hit through.

are you blind? sure you dont see everything totally clear but when there is an enemy moving under/above yourself you can still notice it and react. watch some demos of good t7 players and notice how they dont really get disturbed by it. the shots arent so easy but you can get a real advantage if you can deal with the "grated floors"

Fights that take a while mean the dickhead will just spawn with main powerup (mh/ra) in other room.

oh noes, now i have to think about when and where to fight, gimma t9 plz!! how often did you play the map? again, watch some demos of good t7 players and see/learn how they deal with it. spawns work way better than on most maps once you are aware of the map mechanics.

water at rg.... LOL! I didn't think guns worked under water.

what does that have to do with anything?! the water is there to make it more dangerous to get the rail in the wrong situations by making noise and slowing you down. the concept is not new and it is not bad.

Whoever said it was like ztn is the most clueless idiot. and more than likely terrible at quake.

are you referring to my comment where i mention ztn? then learn how to read, it didnt say it is similar to/the same as ztn, i just pointed out that it shares one cool attribute with ztn.


all in all you seem to be the typical t7 hater that hasnt even played the map much and just doesnt wanna learn how it works. t7 has so much potential and new things you can learn, ppl need to give it a real chance

ra fights are quite random, even more so because of the tiles (fu id for not fixing it) and thats a drawback but why do you call ra fights crappy? there are a lot of ways to attack and different positions to attack, i find it quite interesting.

The word is scrappy. Do you ever just have all your fights at bottom pillars in dm6..???

are you blind? sure you dont see everything totally clear but when there is an enemy moving under/above yourself you can still notice it and react. watch some demos of good t7 players and notice how they dont really get disturbed by it. the shots arent so easy but you can get a real advantage if you can deal with the "grated floors"

You are saying a floor you can't see through but get hit through is an advantage now? Especially in a game that utilizes bright green models. I'll just leave that..

oh noes, now i have to think about when and where to fight, gimma t9 plz!! how often did you play the map? again, watch some demos of good t7 players and see/learn how they deal with it. spawns work way better than on most maps once you are aware of the map mechanics.

Yeah I watched cooller vs av3k LOL! And Who said t9's a good map? A good player could play any map good, because - they don't do anything disadvantageous, that doesn't mean the map is good. shit id should add dm17 to the map rotation I've seen some startlingly good players on that.

what does that have to do with anything?! the water is there to make it more dangerous to get the rail in the wrong situations by making noise and slowing you down. the concept is not new and it is not bad.

No, since you can just jump around half of the water it actually makes it completely absurd. A pointless map mechanic.

are you referring to my comment where i mention ztn? then learn how to read, it didnt say it is similar to/the same as ztn, i just pointed out that it shares one cool attribute with ztn.

"it has a ztn like opportunity for the players to steal items with smart play and not only with fights"
.. what? Can you see why I didn't bother to read it properly. (rhetorical - hence no question mark)

all in all you seem to be the typical t7 hater that hasnt even played the map much and just doesnt wanna learn how it works. t7 has so much potential and new things you can learn, ppl need to give it a real chance

I hate it for how it plays - to do that, you think you'd need some semblance of knowing how to play the map.., ID needs to start making good maps, even the dm13 changes are horrid compared to its q3 no-dm9 predecessor.

-.-

I hate it for how it plays - to do that, you think you'd need some semblance of knowing how to play the map..

well hate it all you want but this discussion is about whether t7 is a good map and not about if you like it. and to judge that it is obviously beneficial to know how to play the map.

judging be your replies this conversation is useless anyway so let me just make myself clear about what i meant with my ztn comparison (cause the sentence is a mess indeed and might be hard to understand) and then i am out.

t7 offers the possibility to take items (including mh/ra) without the need to engage a real fight if you play it right. that is also very well possible on ztn and i like it. compared to dm6 for example where you need your enemy to do mistakes or engage in fights where you need to do crazy dmg or die a few times before you can wear your opponent down.

T9 is shit.
dm13 is worst than shit.

go play warsow or cpm then

cpm is dead :(. I would probably play it if it was "alive".

I do play some wsw bomb ;D

i haven't seen you play warsow in a fair while, and last time you did you didn't seem to be having much fun :D
btw: t9 and dm13 are awesome :\
and remove that warsow flag. (:

i did play a couple of bomb pickups the last days :)

and i'm gonna play 1st match for the bomb long cup today if everything goes right :)

they are definitely shit ! :D
dm6, ztn, hub, t7 > everything :)

wsw flag looks cool ;D

This. +'d

i agree with dm13, it's too small on ql

For me as a spectator, at the moment:

ZTN > DM6 > T6 > CA2 (yes, I'm being serious) > T4 > T9 > T7 > DM13

(T7 and DM13 really aren't that bad though, just not as interesting to watch as the others.)

dude you have no clue

You know better what he likes to see than he does?


Are you his wife or something?

This thread is about playing not speccing ;)

Which is why I made it clear what I was trying to say from the beginning...

put the "yeah im being serious" bracket-remark next to t6 aswell plz.

as of now, i can't really tell

The few games we saw at Quakecon 08 were awesome. Besides, Cooller agrees.

Agreed. But then those lucky bastards had tl 15 IIRC

didn't cooller say its a good map for 2on2?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1825825

Search for the question on t6 - he likes it for duel and tdm.

T7 and T9 are both shit.
It tells you the state of qlive that we see a map like T9 and go "well at least it's better than T7."