lol @ cpl

lmao*

can't blame the firms, better laying off sponsorship then peoples jobs

yup.
sad to see anyhow though

maybe we'll see people playing good games again instead of money milking machines :)

play more promode!

or the opposite.. sponsors like microsoft or EA who just want to force their exclusive games/platforms.
personally I'd prefer no ESWC over another event with maybe cs, halo wars, fifa and guitar hero. cant happen this year ofc since the qualifiers are already being played, but maybe next year :/

I thought you said good games.

clearly still reeling from lolograde's dispensing of an ass whupping.

lol

clearly still in bitter denial that promode isn't fun to play or watch.

huh? i don't care either way. just pointing out the truth.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1672456

what?

That's a draft, which also happens to be a complete copy paste.

haha tough break there champ

(Draft News: ESR)

It's up to you to publish the news.

kinda saw it coming

The whole esports thing is a complete downfall of fail. Sad to see this right when QL is going to be released.

wouldnt a downfall of fail be an uprising? ...

wanker

Very sad to see, and it really makes my kinda stop and think for a moment. I liked ESWC in the past, espec. when UT was still around, they were always very commited and I always had the feeling that "the deam was stil alive" over at ESWC, unlike ESL i.e. which completly sold out (most of the idealistic stuff they had in mind when the started this project is gone, profite and good sponsorships are today much more worth than that).
Maybe it'll help if people get back to the state of mind where money is not the cumpolsory buttom line. I hope things will become a bit more like they once were, when eSports was still kinda "new" and "underground" - and less about making quick profits, great sponsorhips and looking down on those who play just for fun's sake every now and then, who actually watch the "pros" and give them the audience which in return grants them there more or less large price money.

Things have become kinda twisted over the past ~5 yrs, maybe it's time for a little reset and looking after some of them old ideas, when eSports wasn't all about business and large sums of money (tho they were cool, don't get me wrong) ^^


PS: Srz for the kinda negative thoughts on this, I just think esports compeltly sold out and I'm more or less dissapointed when I see the recent developments, it's all about getting "bigger" "more pro" "rich in no time (keep in mind: for a esports-kiddie 100$ is almost close to 'rich' ^^)" - it should be about getting together with ppl from all over the world, fun, exchange of ideas, honest competition and "gentleman sports attitude for every1" - just my two cents to this.

What's wrong with ESL?

Germany.

poland*

usa doesn't even count so shut up you fat hamburger

count in terms of what?

ESL Sherlock.

him being from the u.s. has nothing to do with anything. he said "poland" because the troll before him said "germany." sherlock.

A lot, but I fear we'd need an extra topic for this discussion, it's not that important in here anyways. I didn't mean to critizice one company in special but rather the ideas that seem to run the biggest part of the "eSports movment" - you know what I mean ;-)

and it really makes my kinda stop and think for a moment.

you need to get out more and get some other hobbies

Well, why is that, i love the climate right here in the world wide web and my chair is quite comfortable, you know!? No need to face the harsh reality of the world we are told we live in! ;)

i dont consider getting together with nerds to be fun. i like winning money, and in order for a "sport" to grow, it has to reach a professional level. it's a logical stepping stone in its progression.

Well that sucks. I hope the world economy takes an upturn this summer.

isn't there any oil-king from dubai who wants to sponsor the eswc? :F

dubai's major oil reserves are long gone, they're more like to be property moguls nowadays.

what does that change for my question? they still have money like air.

we can hope. you're right in that they're throwing money at anything and everything these days.

a) their ressources are not yet gone, but they are aware they won't last longer than a few decades
b) there is a difference between throwing money and investing. the country as a whole s doing the latter and some individuals the former.

tl;dr: if you want Dubai's money, your best chances is to find a private sponsor.

;\

shits weak

The financial situation is bad for them, but I'd prefer a later Finals events. They announce games and rules in January, finals are in June, that leaves only half a year of practice for that event, and even less for the country qualifier event. Having it in August would give it more time, but having it after would conflict with school and such.

But, I hope they work something out.

pfft. pro gamers dont go to school! :]

>:3

thats what happens when you host an event in the USoFAIL

In France, exclusively, wasn't helping either. But you are right in the USA regard... they should have chosen something like Singapore or China where shit is cheap and your shit blows up. Even Germany, probably Russia, hell even Korea itself (which they WERE going to do) - all those would be better than the US right now.

Unfortunately, I think it was mostly up to nVidia and not ESWC.

I see a lot of East Asia references, where does your wife originate from? tai mei ai wo (Y)

ps, france only pwned. should have stayed that way imo

The local population doesnt follow much esports in france ... I think they would make more spectator entrances (thus more money) in asian countries, even with not fielding popular games among those strange guys. Well maybe you can set a higher entrance place in europe.

:(

If they dont have any partner commited to them at this moment, it will be extremely difficult to find all of them for the last quarter of 2009. The sun wont shine that quickly yet.

glad i'm not the only person reading the story who realized this. +'d

maybe the one good thing about this is they will use quakelive over q3 now?

We feel powerless and separated from each other, when in fact togheter were pretty powerful. Because as we buy things not only for ourselfs but others, either work or family/friends, were probably the geekiest of our immediate circle, with all those years of hardcore gaming on the back

So in a nutshell, dont buy anything, or if you do go low budget which equals low profit margin for the entire chanel. Exceptions should be those companys still investing in sponsorships, events and prizes. Also we need to spam teh internets with obsessive nerdrage, tech forums and hardware manufacturer forums are two obvious examples, about the bad decision that X company has taken when cutting Y sponsorship.

We need to join. They cant unplug us that easy when gaming is what made them sell so much high profit margin hardware all these years. Asus for example, hasnt announced crap yet right? hmmm i need to buy a netbook for a client next week, i believe it will be an Asus EEE.

lost in translation...

But the essence remains...

not really. i can't understand any of what you wrote.

Odd, considering the English was likely above average.

scary.

What, american xenophoby?

u think i dislike you or am scared of you? i just like being able to comprehend the complex language i took the time to master and not reading a grammar jumbalaya.

"u"

"master"


...

what kind of a cunt are you, my friend?

The problem is that for most games there is simply not enough people that wants to spectate it for you to make money that way.

For football for example, there is enough spectators that the teams don't even need sponsors (but sponsor will increase the salaries and money to be made). As long as there isn't people willing to pay to watch, its unlikely esports will go anywhere, and perhaps it shouldn't either.

As mentioned, when it comes to Starcraft in Korea, the crowd willing to pay to watch is actually large enough for the whole circus to go around. Which also, naturally, brings companies wanting to get their time in the spotlight, thus sponsors have their place which in turn brings up the salaries.

ya, only people who want to watch esports are the players...and we dont got enough players, but that might change with quakelive

There's no Starcraft event in Korea that costs money to pay and see, unless you're referring to paying for your cable bill that automatically comes with the two gaming channels already.

I was mainly thinking about the channels, yes.

i want this in America
something like G4, minus the faggotry

it's in the works: ESPN10

NIIICE

Sadly, G4 is very popular. =(

at least there's some hot girls on there....sometimes

Only Olivia Munn.

GODDAMN!

What, didn't know about her? =P

i've only watched G4 a few times(i don't watch much tv to begin with)
the massive amounts of fail-and-mayo sandwiches turned me away from it
if i had known this woman were on there, i might have stuck it out some
bit late now, though =/

Not really, there used to be at least SOME game-related activity. Now it's mostly just softcore porn with Olivia Munn. If you're watching just for her, now is the best time. =/

=/
i remember Leo and Kevin Rose waaaay back on the Screen Savers
that was moderately fun/informational to watch

Martin Sergeant, too!

come on, make it happen in a cheap place, buy bus tickets to the players and camping stuff ; give away some cypher's mouses as prices
jff ffs

this totally wouldn't have happened if they used quake live! o_0

GL GameService, courage Matthieu !

None of the past ESWC partners has yet renewed its support for 2009, [..] No new partner is ready to commit on financial support of events operations in 2009.

This doesn't sound like it's just being pushed back, this sounds more like "it's over unless we get money." I think it's safe to say that ESWC is about to die.

yep. hopefully they'll just chill for the year if need be rather than drive themselves into the ground.