who's the dork(s)?

his nick is celex

wow players are fucking idiots, all 8 million of the cunts

11 million now. =/

This is strange how this whole sort of distorded sound atmosphere on background probably caused by the echo in the stadium almost makes it look dramatic.

Not quite as ragey as this nerd but getting there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxAPKtOe0fQ

You can tell that he's a bad mage just by his key bindings.

No, you really, really can't.

Yeah, you really, really can.

yeah only second best 3v3 team in the us!

Seriously, did you see his hand positioning? Do you play mage? That was amateur at best.

did you read my post?

And? He's probably the reason they aren't #1.

wow.. i hope you're joking

I hope you have a better line than that.

so you're saying you can be us top 2 with a shitty mage?

Do I need to rephrase it in a way that makes it more obvious?

i thought it would be clear by now that no one on this site thinks you make sense. i'm suprised you still visit this site.

No need to thank me for educating you, I'm just doing my part.

once again you've proven that you have no clue what you're talking about.

This just goes to prove how little you ever knew about WoW to begin with.

HAHAH ok

let me get this straight,

1. i post a funny movie about nerd rage
2. you claim that he sucks (and obviously think that you are better)
3. i say they are the second best (close to first, last tour they lost with 1 game) tournament team in the world
4. you claim he's the reason they are not the best
5. i question that a team can do that well with a shitty mage
6. you go on about how "having to rephrase" yourself to make you look less dumb

right? so that makes you the following:
* self centered
* arrogant
* possibly jealous? that some succeeded and you didnt
and most importantly..
*wrong

ka-ching thanks for playing.

right? so that makes you the following:
* self centered
* arrogant
* possibly jealous? that some succeeded and you didnt
and most importantly..
*wrong

You forgot good looking. If you really can't see a problem with his keybinds, you're just another baddie. Arena has never been worse, and this mage and your ignorance of how to play are laughable. I'll enjoy corpse camping you when they eventually open up US->EU transfers.

please keep up this shit cause youre freaking hilarious

word

i guess thats why the other RMP teams didnt do as well as they did :)

right?


also, keybinds has very little to do with how good you are, being ready for whats going to happen is more of a factor in this game. if you knew anything you would know that.

if you wanna compare it to quake, toxic moves forward with mouse 1 and backwards with mouse 2 i guess he does suck because of it!111omg zing reaction time is faster maybe 1ms on your right hand !!! zzz lolool insert nerd argument here


god you're so lost

Keybinds have little to do with how good you are if you play a slow class like pally or warrior. For a class with heavy micro/macro like mage/warlock, you are a complete amateur if you don't have proper keybinds.

Just wait for it, eventually there will be US->EU transfers and I can let you try to make all the excuses you want.

you and i have nothing to do with this discussion, once again you are self centered.

also, you are contradicting yourself, you claim that wow takes no skill and at the same time you think you are better than everyone else, do you see how that logic fails?!

yes, to some level you need proper keybinds. however this isnt stopping celex if you actually knew something about him instead of assuming and guessing..

Better than everyone else? No. Better than him at mage? Hell yes, along with a hundred other people. It doesn't even take much more skill than he has to play mage the best, but the fact remains that he is simply bad. Seeing someone like that playing mage and being considered "professional" is just gag-inducing.

To say his keybinds aren't holding him back is completely wrong. Not even opinion, just plain wrong. Go level a mage and come back when you understand.

haha, this is where you fail. i played mage for a long time, it was my first character. i played it until the release of tbc

sure, proper keybindings help.. i've never said otherwise. however people are different and celex has succeeded. you can moan all you want about how good you are but with no proof you're just a lame ass whiner that isnt better than the average geek who quit because they blamed the game for their faulty descisions and taking it out on a gaming forum.

hell, i can claim that own the whole world in q3 duel and that i quit because of a lucky grenade 2 years ago.

when you show up at one of these events and outplay every mage there i'll be glad to take your opinion. for now i'll stay with believing celex is the better mage of you two.

I would never play in a 3v3 tourney. Ever. Rock/paper/scissors is not entertaining.

Would you like me to record 1v2, 1v3, 1v4, and even 1v5 that I do on a regular basis? How about watching me 1v1 S4 players in S1/S2/PVE gear? Want to browse the gig or so screenshot directory I have of godly BG victories?

Again, Blizzard mentioned recently that they were considering US->EU transfers, and I'd happily move over there for some fresh meat to pick on. I'm willing to bet that I can beat you with no gear on, no matter what class you play.

this should be worth a major news tbh.

wow... the fact that you even mention duels makes all of your opinions worth jack shit. duels in wow is a joke.

competative wow has become a game of picking your comp. trying to defeat whatever comp your opponent team is running. rating systems on live and tr servers sucks. i agree. tournament play is awesome. finding weaknesses against other comps and maybe perhaps even finding the weak link in the enemy team. thats why you need a lot of practise when going in to this tournament, you need to (sometimes) be able to play more than one class. in some cases, take orz for example, you can run WLD through the whole tournament and be successfull.

and who you kill on your noname BG in season 2 i dont really care about. if you can't perform under tournament pressure it's not worth anything.


and once again this has nothing to do with me, you're a slow learner arent you?

wow... the fact that you even mention duels makes all of your opinions worth jack shit. duels in wow is a joke.

Yeah, they are quite unbalanced. Which is why I defeat everyone I play against, regardless of gear or class. Going to say I'm playing an OP class? All polls put mage at underpowered, sitting at just above Shaman.

competative wow has become a game of picking your comp. trying to defeat whatever comp your opponent team is running.

Rock/paper/scissors. It's competitive, btw.

rating systems on live and tr servers sucks. i agree. tournament play is awesome.

The people who play in tournaments are already sponsored. There is no room for up-and-coming players to even PLAY in those tournaments. There have been countless pages of complaints against this system for ages.

finding weaknesses against other comps and maybe perhaps even finding the weak link in the enemy team. thats why you need a lot of practise when going in to this tournament, you need to (sometimes) be able to play more than one class. in some cases, take orz for example, you can run WLD through the whole tournament and be successfull.

3v3 will always be a roll of the dice, just like 2v2. 5v5 is the only matchup that even closely resembles some sort of balance, but still falls short.

and who you kill on your noname BG in season 2 i dont really care about. if you can't perform under tournament pressure it's not worth anything.

WoW is far too slow paced for "tournament pressure" to matter. Who I kill means a lot when you see how I do it, and while always undergeared. I spent most of my time pre-BC running undergeared against all my opponents, and I still dominated. On Illidan, we ran organized 5v5 tournaments with the alliance LONG before the arena system was in place. Hell, I used to play with Otherguy when he first made Illidan famous.

and once again this has nothing to do with me, you're a slow learner arent you?

Oh, it has a lot to do with you. You're essentially trying to argue your position without actually HAVING a position to argue. When those transfers come up, I will duel you naked as any class you have, and as many times as you want.

m8 u gotta be the hot shits in this game of yours!!!111

aha, trying to make me go away with wall of text. nice try, won't work here.

Yeah, they are quite unbalanced. Which is why I defeat everyone I play against, regardless of gear or class. Going to say I'm playing an OP class? All polls put mage at underpowered, sitting at just above Shaman.

i wont even comment this, duels are shit and made for shitty people to boost their shitty confidence


Rock/paper/scissors. It's competitive, btw.

yeah except rps is guessing. counter-comping isnt.


The people who play in tournaments are already sponsored. There is no room for up-and-coming players to even PLAY in those tournaments. There have been countless pages of complaints against this system for ages.

wrong, orz wasnt sponsored. ka-ching you're wrong again. they got sponsors after the first tournament they won.

3v3 will always be a roll of the dice, just like 2v2. 5v5 is the only matchup that even closely resembles some sort of balance, but still falls short.

if it was roll of dice/flip a coin why did the same team win 2 tournaments in a row? do you know what those odds are?! 1,56~%. that's right. that's just for the group play of the second tournament. imagine that with the first tournament aswell and you'll soon realize its not a flip of a coin.


WoW is far too slow paced for "tournament pressure" to matter. Who I kill means a lot when you see how I do it, and while always undergeared. I spent most of my time pre-BC running undergeared against all my opponents, and I still dominated. On Illidan, we ran organized 5v5 tournaments with the alliance LONG before the arena system was in place. Hell, I used to play with Otherguy when he first made Illidan famous.

have you actually played in a tournament? and still you're guessing this stuff? you seem to be contradicting your statements earlier (and later) in this thread m8.


Oh, it has a lot to do with you. You're essentially trying to argue your position without actually HAVING a position to argue. When those transfers come up, I will duel you naked as any class you have, and as many times as you want.

read the above, you just said this is valid. so i guess you got self pwned. and i dont care if you win vs me in a duel, as said before duels are jokes and im only intrested in tournament play. so until you win a tournament im just gona lol@yourface

*kisses*

i wont even comment this, duels are shit and made for shitty people to boost their shitty confidence

You mean you lose, so you don't duel.

yeah except rps is guessing. counter-comping isnt.

Except it is.

wrong, orz wasnt sponsored. ka-ching you're wrong again. they got sponsors after the first tournament they won.

Grats on one example.

if it was roll of dice/flip a coin why did the same team win 2 tournaments in a row? do you know what those odds are?! 1,56~%. that's right. that's just for the group play of the second tournament. imagine that with the first tournament aswell and you'll soon realize its not a flip of a coin.

Poker has a lot of luck as well, but you can try to push the odds in your favor. Even a professional poker player can lose to a random new player. The biggest problem is the lack of true competition - these top teams aren't being pressed.

have you actually played in a tournament? and still you're guessing this stuff? you seem to be contradicting your statements earlier (and later) in this thread m8.

I've played in plenty of 5v5 tourneys back pre-BC. We ran 5v5 organized tournaments in the shimmering flats. Alliance vs horde only, of course, but it was still some of the BEST PVP WoW has ever had to offer. Our server was a huge deal back in the day. Otherguy, another big player at the time, released his Sorrow Hill videos, which eventually made our server one of the most competitive PVP servers around. Ever hear about the funeral crashing? That was also on our server. We pug gruul/mag/SSC/TK/BT on a regular basis. Yeah, we're THAT much better than you.

read the above, you just said this is valid. so i guess you got self pwned. and i dont care if you win vs me in a duel, as said before duels are jokes and im only intrested in tournament play. so until you win a tournament im just gona lol@yourface

So you decline? Even while I'm naked? I tell you what, I'll get S1 gear (not even S2) and you can bring a friend. I'll still beat you. I won't even use a PVP trinket (as I generally PVP without one anyway) and I won't use pots. If WoW gets tweaked quite a bit (getting better with WOTLK) and tournaments start running 5v5, you might just get to eat your words. I'm sure US->EU transfers will open up before that time, though, and I can record you begging for mercy.

You mean you lose, so you don't duel.
I've done some duelling, but remember im a paladin so its mainly 10 mins of me healing myself and the other playing going oom. not very entertaining. i win some and lose some

Except it is.

nice point there. totally converted now. lol.

Grats on one example.

thanks, pretty happy with my solid proof of you being wrong. could you stop the bullshit now?

Poker has a lot of luck as well, but you can try to push the odds in your favor. Even a professional poker player can lose to a random new player. The biggest problem is the lack of true competition - these top teams aren't being pressed.

don't compare this game to poker. in poker you are delt cards, here you play what cards you like, if i were to follow your metaphor. And as I've said, everyone is welcome to come play. one of the best teams in europe went to play in a tournament and couldn't win. if you've followed these events you'd see that they explain it's a lot different than live servers. they are good, it's just that you're stuck in 2005-06 and won't realize times have changed like a bitter old man.


I've played in plenty of 5v5 tourneys back pre-BC. We ran 5v5 organized tournaments in the shimmering flats. Alliance vs horde only, of course, but it was still some of the BEST PVP WoW has ever had to offer. Our server was a huge deal back in the day. Otherguy, another big player at the time, released his Sorrow Hill videos, which eventually made our server one of the most competitive PVP servers around. Ever hear about the funeral crashing? That was also on our server. We pug gruul/mag/SSC/TK/BT on a regular basis. Yeah, we're THAT much better than you.

wow, starting to look pathetic now mate. you did some online tournaments pre-tbc and think you've accomplished something. hah, do you really think its the same pressure compared to when people watch you on an online stream and theres 12k $ and 3 blackbirds on the line? and you keep talking about this "otherguy", he's not you is he? so why brag about what he has done. clearly you are the lesser mage than him so why wont you go cry in a corner about it just like now about celex. so you crashing a funeral has something to do with pvp?! i think you're rather twisted in your "argument", son. maybe you should rethink what you're trying to say here.

and oh, bragging about pugging t5 content is so -07


So you decline? Even while I'm naked? I tell you what, I'll get S1 gear (not even S2) and you can bring a friend. I'll still beat you. I won't even use a PVP trinket (as I generally PVP without one anyway) and I won't use pots. If WoW gets tweaked quite a bit (getting better with WOTLK) and tournaments start running 5v5, you might just get to eat your words. I'm sure US->EU transfers will open up before that time, though, and I can record you begging for mercy.

even if you would beat me in duel, what would you prove by it? would my point on tourmanents be INVALID?
if you agree to this you agree to being wrong in the discussion about anything with anyone beeing a better "gamer" on the subject. oh wait, i dont mean better. i mean that you practised more. most of my pvp has been casual and i havnt been arsed to put a lot time in to it. mostly because of the "im the worlds best player"-kids like yourself. you people make the scene stink :). i play wow because it's a social game and i dont think that the pvp scene in eu and on cyclone is at the moment. if it turns more fun that i have currently in my pve guild i'll be glad to switch.

it's funny how you try to twist this argument in being you>me when it was initially about how celex uses his keybinds. you are a twisted mind if you think this has anything to do with this. this is what it was like when i was 16 years old in the school yard.

i guess some people cant outgrow their natural behavior of trying to be the alpha male. i find it especially sad when it's on the interwebz.

maybe you should try to find another outlet for your frustration, son?

wow, starting to look pathetic now mate. you did some online tournaments pre-tbc and think you've accomplished something. hah, do you really think its the same pressure compared to when people watch you on an online stream and theres 12k $ and 3 blackbirds on the line? and you keep talking about this "otherguy", he's not you is he? so why brag about what he has done. clearly you are the lesser mage than him so why wont you go cry in a corner about it just like now about celex. so you crashing a funeral has something to do with pvp?! i think you're rather twisted in your "argument", son. maybe you should rethink what you're trying to say here.

Hmm? I used to roll with Otherguy, actually. He was good, especially during his time. His BC performance was certainly sub-par, however. Just like me, he PVPs undergeared for a challenge. The funeral crashing was done by the alliance on my server, not by me. I'm sure you've heard of it, as it's even been featured in magazines. Again, just trying to help you understand just how much better our server is than anything you can muster.

and oh, bragging about pugging t5 content is so -07

T5/T6, and even some SWP.

even if you would beat me in duel, what would you prove by it? would my point on tourmanents be INVALID?

You know nothing about balance, and being completely destroyed by some real skill will help you to understand. I'm not here to try to "disprove" you to other people, as you know as well as I do that you don't know a thing about what you're talking about. Instead, I can teach YOU how wrong you are.

I don't think I'm the best, but I've been around long enough to destroy people like you without even trying. Again, naked if need be. I'll show you just how important all the little things, including keybinds, are when properly playing a class. I await you chickening out when transfers open. Oh how I wait....

Hmm? I used to roll with Otherguy, actually. He was good, especially during his time. His BC performance was certainly sub-par, however. Just like me, he PVPs undergeared for a challenge. The funeral crashing was done by the alliance on my server, not by me. I'm sure you've heard of it, as it's even been featured in magazines. Again, just trying to help you understand just how much better our server is than anything you can muster.
aaaaaaaand this has got what to do with the discussion? are you mentally challenged? are we having a competition about whos server was most popular now?! wow..

T5/T6, and even some SWP.
congrats, you killed some of the easiest bosses in the expansion, are you happy? lulz. and again, this has nothing to do with the discussion about celex. you are a slow person it seems.

You know nothing about balance, and being completely destroyed by some real skill will help you to understand. I'm not here to try to "disprove" you to other people, as you know as well as I do that you don't know a thing about what you're talking about. Instead, I can teach YOU how wrong you are.

uhh... what. i can say the same thing about you? making stuff up doesnt mean you're right. and beating me in a duel doesnt show anything. are you saying that athletes shouldnt take advice from coaches because the coach might not be as good at doing the sport? your logic fails once again, dear.

I don't think I'm the best, but I've been around long enough to destroy people like you without even trying. Again, naked if need be. I'll show you just how important all the little things, including keybinds, are when properly playing a class. I await you chickening out when transfers open. Oh how I wait....

once again you fail to see this is not a discussion about you or me, it's about celex. if you view this thread you see people laughing at you because you think this games is about key bindings. take a step back and think this through, dude. and you can gank me all you want, i'll just run back and continue whatever i was doing and minding my own business(?). we're still talking about tournaments and i never claimed to be any good. i'm just saying this mage is probably a lot better than you because he makes money at tournaments while you sit at home and browse a web page.

how many times do i have to keep bringing up that celex is successful while you are not, you can brag all you want about how much you did pre-tbc and how you would gank me but that doesnt change anything. absolutely nothing. you fail to counter argument the whole fox-discussion because you know you are wrong.

my tip to you: stop this discussion before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

congrats, you killed some of the easiest bosses in the expansion, are you happy? lulz. and again, this has nothing to do with the discussion about celex. you are a slow person it seems.

The thing is, you wouldn't last 2 seconds on a server like Illidan, and I've been here since the start.

congrats, you killed some of the easiest bosses in the expansion, are you happy? lulz. and again, this has nothing to do with the discussion about celex. you are a slow person it seems.

Easiest in the expansion? So you're still in Kara, eh?

uhh... what. i can say the same thing about you? making stuff up doesnt mean you're right. and beating me in a duel doesnt show anything. are you saying that athletes shouldnt take advice from coaches because the coach might not be as good at doing the sport? your logic fails once again, dear.

You can't be a coach by bullshitting your way into the job - you actually have to have some experience. You don't.

how many times do i have to keep bringing up that celex is successful while you are not, you can brag all you want about how much you did pre-tbc and how you would gank me but that doesnt change anything. absolutely nothing. you fail to counter argument the whole fox-discussion because you know you are wrong.

Your knowledge of the game, and attempts at defending 3v3 and high level play, are based on a completely ignorant viewpoint. You really have no idea what you're talking about, and I can help you to see just how little you know by throwing it right in your face. I will HAPPILY duel you, or face you in a skirmish with another friend (or maybe even 2!) while undergeared or wearing no gear at all.

You think 3v3 is balanced, yet you don't play or experience 3v3. You claim that S4 has high competition, yet you didn't experience S2/S3 or even currently S4 to see how the players have been stacking up. You claim you understand the finer mechanics of the game, yet you'd be afraid to duel me NAKED while I'm using one of the most underpowered classes in the game.

my tip to you: stop this discussion before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

This is where you say that the discussion isn't worth your time, or you try to pull the trolling card. It's obvious that you're out of your league, and at some point the US->EU transfers WILL open up, so I'd suggest you disengage now and save yourself the humiliation of losing to me with no gear on.

The thing is, you wouldn't last 2 seconds on a server like Illidan, and I've been here since the start. "last"?
what the hell is that supposed to mean, lol. not getting ganked? wow i totally envy your great server of doom.

Easiest in the expansion? So you're still in Kara, eh?
been clearing sunwell for quite some time now

You can't be a coach by bullshitting your way into the job - you actually have to have some experience. You don't. experience beeing.. what? theorycrafting counts right? how many ex-stars do you see in the coach booth? i'm sure you can find some, but theres all kinds i bet.

Your knowledge of the game, and attempts at defending 3v3 and high level play, are based on a completely ignorant viewpoint. You really have no idea what you're talking about, and I can help you to see just how little you know by throwing it right in your face. I will HAPPILY duel you, or face you in a skirmish with another friend (or maybe even 2!) while undergeared or wearing no gear at all.
man you're so fucking THICK i cant believe it. either youre trolling me or you have some serious fucking issue with understanding the following. MY SKILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH CELEX IS ABLE TO DO WELL IN TOURNAMENTS. YOU CAN CHALLENGE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT IT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVNT SUCCEEDED LIKE HIM. PLEASE READ for once.

You think 3v3 is balanced, yet you don't play or experience 3v3. You claim that S4 has high competition, yet you didn't experience S2/S3 or even currently S4 to see how the players have been stacking up. You claim you understand the finer mechanics of the game, yet you'd be afraid to duel me NAKED while I'm using one of the most underpowered classes in the game.
i dont think i ever commented on what mode is more fit for competition? if so you've mistaken me. i've never said what game typ is the "best" for competative arena. i'm just saying celex knows what hes doing.


This is where you say that the discussion isn't worth your time, or you try to pull the trolling card. It's obvious that you're out of your league, and at some point the US->EU transfers WILL open up, so I'd suggest you disengage now and save yourself the humiliation of losing to me with no gear on.
i'm flattered that you will spend 15 dollars to gank me :) personally i couldn't care less if you kill me and you've totally missed the point of this discussion. like 100 times over.

You are raging. Calm down.

yeah sort of raged with him not being able to read

MY SKILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH CELEX IS ABLE TO DO WELL IN TOURNAMENTS. YOU CAN CHALLENGE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT IT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVNT SUCCEEDED LIKE HIM. PLEASE READ for once.

Attempting to derail again, but you just don't understand. The fact that you don't UNDERSTAND the level of competition they play on makes it so you couldn't have any sort of real conversation on the issue. I see him playing with piss poor keybinds, and if I was to play like that on my server, I would get annihilated. If half of my server (and most other servers in general) actually cared about 3v3 or "professional" WoW to begin with, you would see a team running that kind of mage getting knocked out in the first few rounds.

You don't understand that because YOU can't grasp this, no matter what you say, it means nothing. If I were to play you, it would only become evident how much you have to learn. Essentially, I can help you learn to play.

i dont think i ever commented on what mode is more fit for competition? if so you've mistaken me. i've never said what game typ is the "best" for competative arena. i'm just saying celex knows what hes doing.

Previous arguments. As for celex, he knows what he's doing for a 1500 personal rating.

i'm flattered that you will spend 15 dollars to gank me :) personally i couldn't care less if you kill me and you've totally missed the point of this discussion. like 100 times over.

$25, and then another $25 to come back to the US. You've missed the point, because you never had it to begin with. You're essentially trying to discuss the finer points of drifting without ever having a driver's license. No matter what opinions you think you have, and no matter how valid you think they are, you're just plain wrong. I won't "gank" you, I'll be naked, and I'll even give you the first hit. No pots, no PVP trinket, and I'll even use nvidia settings to turn my monitor upside-down. I'll happily give you THAT much of an advantage.

Attempting to derail again, but you just don't understand. The fact that you don't UNDERSTAND the level of competition they play on makes it so you couldn't have any sort of real conversation on the issue. I see him playing with piss poor keybinds, and if I was to play like that on my server, I would get annihilated. If half of my server (and most other servers in general) actually cared about 3v3 or "professional" WoW to begin with, you would see a team running that kind of mage getting knocked out in the first few rounds.
that's bullshit and you know it. i can claim the same stuff about anything. i can claim that if i cared about q3 duel i would be the best in the world. fact is though, this team was the best team at TR for a while and doing very well on bg9 which is the best battlegroup in us. what shitty bg were you guys on again? some random bg? facts like that overrides your random bullshit guessing how much i know about the game.

You don't understand that because YOU can't grasp this, no matter what you say, it means nothing. If I were to play you, it would only become evident how much you have to learn. Essentially, I can help you learn to play.
Let's play with the thought that you would gank me. same way fox would gank you in quake. does that make all of your opinions about q3 less meaningful than his?

Previous arguments. As for celex, he knows what he's doing for a 1500 personal rating.
I might have said that 3v3 is the best for competition allround since its easier for spectators to follow and easier to manage at tourmanets because you can cut (at least) 2 members per team. a lot less costs. I can't recall saying its the most fair and valid gametype.also, try 2500 rating at the best bg in s3.

$25, and then another $25 to come back to the US. You've missed the point, because you never had it to begin with. You're essentially trying to discuss the finer points of drifting without ever having a driver's license. No matter what opinions you think you have, and no matter how valid you think they are, you're just plain wrong. I won't "gank" you, I'll be naked, and I'll even give you the first hit. No pots, no PVP trinket, and I'll even use nvidia settings to turn my monitor upside-down. I'll happily give you THAT much of an advantage.
oh yeah, i forgot your money has almost no value now. anyways, you can kill me all you want but celex is still the superior mage over you. you can kill half the world but you still won't earn his titles and before then you can't say jack shit m8. you can keep running around thinking you're superman while everyone else is laughing at you. also, i think i have played enough wow to know that keybindings isnt the only reason that you can do well in game. you dont even have an idea what he was pressing when he hit those akward keys.

have the thought that he might be faster than you ever occured?

no wonder you quit if you are like that, must be a mess everytime you get owned in arena (since you are mainly a pvper, right?) you must be super frustrated and fight with your team mates all the time. oh wait, i forgot, you are so tight so you blame the game instead. you being positioned wrong or anything has nothing to do with it, right?

stop living in -05, oldfag. face it.. it's 2008 and GG, fnatic and SK are the best players at the moment since they have it on paper. whether you like it or not that's the reality.

that's bullshit and you know it. i can claim the same stuff about anything. i can claim that if i cared about q3 duel i would be the best in the world. fact is though, this team was the best team at TR for a while and doing very well on bg9 which is the best battlegroup in us. what shitty bg were you guys on again? some random bg? facts like that overrides your random bullshit guessing how much i know about the game.

I don't need to guess, you make it so obvious by spouting out complete bullcrap. To anyone with any knowledge of the game, your comments are laughable.

I might have said that 3v3 is the best for competition allround since its easier for spectators to follow and easier to manage at tourmanets because you can cut (at least) 2 members per team. a lot less costs. I can't recall saying its the most fair and valid gametype.also, try 2500 rating at the best bg in s3.

I was commenting on where his personal rating would be if he wasn't carried.

oh yeah, i forgot your money has almost no value now. anyways, you can kill me all you want but celex is still the superior mage over you. you can kill half the world but you still won't earn his titles and before then you can't say jack shit m8. you can keep running around thinking you're superman while everyone else is laughing at you. also, i think i have played enough wow to know that keybindings isnt the only reason that you can do well in game. you dont even have an idea what he was pressing when he hit those akward keys.

Yeah, that means it's even MORE expensive than it should be, and I've got enough laying around that I'd be more than willing to toss around some terribad euros (you included) for a while.

The more you try to defend his keybinds, the more apparent it is how little you know. It doesn't matter WHAT those buttons stand for. Period. There is NO room for discussion here. His positioning is almost as bad as keyboard turning. Not surprising, though... Fought against a S4 druid who was a keyboard turner just the other day and I probably could have won with just melee.

have the thought that he might be faster than you ever occured?

No. It doesn't matter WHAT you try to say, or how you try to twist it, you're simply wrong.

no wonder you quit if you are like that, must be a mess everytime you get owned in arena (since you are mainly a pvper, right?) you must be super frustrated and fight with your team mates all the time. oh wait, i forgot, you are so tight so you blame the game instead. you being positioned wrong or anything has nothing to do with it, right?

I'm mostly a world PVPer, dueler, and BG player now. I know you're jealous of my victories in arena, world PVP, and even BGs, and I can't blame you. Would you like me to start recording just how much I dominate other players until I can come over there myself? I've got a few hundred screenshots from scoreboards that you can envy until then, if you want. Do you even have 1?

stop living in -05, oldfag. face it.. it's 2008 and GG, fnatic and SK are the best players at the moment since they have it on paper. whether you like it or not that's the reality.

oldfag! You are so 4chan! Just like Q4 didn't have enough real competition, WoW does not either. The real good players in WoW know better than to take it seriously. I find it funny that you enjoy sitting in ignorance, thinking that these players in fnatic/sk are that much better than you, as if playing at their level requires a Ph.D. The fact is, playing at the highest level does not even take a lot of skill, and you can't even manage to muster THAT much skill.

I don't need to guess, you make it so obvious by spouting out complete bullcrap. To anyone with any knowledge of the game, your comments are laughable.
the comments about they were in the lead of tr and has come second at two big lan events is laughable? ok sure. lol.

I was commenting on where his personal rating would be if he wasn't carried.
question: have you ever watched one of the streams of the later events? or are you just assuming from this video?

Yeah, that means it's even MORE expensive than it should be, and I've got enough laying around that I'd be more than willing to toss around some terribad euros (you included) for a while.
once again you talk about me when this has nothing to do with me. do i smell jealousy that maybe someone has done something and you havnt? whats up m8. why do you feel so strongly about this subject?

The more you try to defend his keybinds, the more apparent it is how little you know. It doesn't matter WHAT those buttons stand for. Period. There is NO room for discussion here. His positioning is almost as bad as keyboard turning. Not surprising, though... Fought against a S4 druid who was a keyboard turner just the other day and I probably could have won with just melee.
sure, there are some bad players out there. celex isnt (apperently) one. once again until you've proven yourself more than in text on esr i'll just think you're talking bullshit. remember, you're the one claiming stuff here.

No. It doesn't matter WHAT you try to say, or how you try to twist it, you're simply wrong.
strong argument, really like that one. totally converted now. lol

I'm mostly a world PVPer, dueler, and BG player now. I know you're jealous of my victories in arena, world PVP, and even BGs, and I can't blame you. Would you like me to start recording just how much I dominate other players until I can come over there myself? I've got a few hundred screenshots from scoreboards that you can envy until then, if you want. Do you even have 1?
wait what, who said i was jealous? i never intended to focus on pvp so never really did, just as you didnt focus on pve. are you jealous that i killed kj before you (most likely)? i think not, as i dont care about your pvp achievments.

oldfag! You are so 4chan! Just like Q4 didn't have enough real competition, WoW does not either. The real good players in WoW know better than to take it seriously. I find it funny that you enjoy sitting in ignorance, thinking that these players in fnatic/sk are that much better than you, as if playing at their level requires a Ph.D. The fact is, playing at the highest level does not even take a lot of skill, and you can't even manage to muster THAT much skill.
wait what, do you think only 4chan use that expression? maybe wow isnt the best competative game, and yes the skill roof might be lower than in other games. whats your point? if you are equally good, why not make some extra cash over the weekend? i know why, it's because you are not as good. you can't compete with these guys and deep down you know it. you can duel random people all you want on your shitty server but it wont change a thing.

you have an intresting approach to this argument though, by lowering others you intend to put yourself on a pedistal and believe you are better. here's some truth -> you won't improve by lowering others, the only way to improve is to actually improve.

maybe it's a culture thing? maybe over there people need to boast and brag to be 'worth' anything. do you have father issues perhaps? not getting recognized by your dad? want a hug? pat on the back?

i think you've come to the wrong place.

this is the dumbest discussion I've ever seen

idd bra

at least it's on topic, wow rage

I think the real raged nerds are here before us..

should have done the following instead:

question: have you ever watched one of the streams of the later events? or are you just assuming from this video?

How many more ways are you going to come up with of not comprehending this situation?

once again you talk about me when this has nothing to do with me. do i smell jealousy that maybe someone has done something and you havnt? whats up m8. why do you feel so strongly about this subject?

I know it's hard to understand that I know more than you do, and in an effort to HELP you to understand, I will show you how much you still have to learn. This can ease the pain of you learning about the finer points of the game, which I can also teach you. There's so much to learn, if you actually tried.

sure, there are some bad players out there. celex isnt (apperently) one. once again until you've proven yourself more than in text on esr i'll just think you're talking bullshit. remember, you're the one claiming stuff here.

You can assume I'm talking bullshit, but that doesn't make you any less wrong. You see how you have to guess so much? It's because you have no experience. You keep trying to leave doors open for yourself in case I happen to be right. The thing is, if you knew what you were talking about and I was wrong, you wouldn't have to guess. Notice the difference in my argument? I'm not guessing, I'm TELLING you that you're wrong. You just don't have any argument, and this is several levels above your head.

wait what, who said i was jealous? i never intended to focus on pvp so never really did, just as you didnt focus on pve. are you jealous that i killed kj before you (most likely)? i think not, as i dont care about your pvp achievments.

So you're trying to talk about PVP with only PVE experience. Thank you for admitting what I have been saying from the start. We have people like you all over the US forums - they're called scrubs. It's no wonder you shit yourself over even so much as a duel while I am naked.

maybe wow isnt the best competative game, and yes the skill roof might be lower than in other games. whats your point? if you are equally good, why not make some extra cash over the weekend? i know why, it's because you are not as good. you can't compete with these guys and deep down you know it. you can duel random people all you want on your shitty server but it wont change a thing.

The same reason I don't play CS - morals. If I just wanted money, I could become a prostitute. Some of us actually play for an accomplishment, and expect the time and effort that we put in to be rewarded by punishing those who DON'T put that time and effort in. You're just a fanboy spectator, and you're trying to learn to fly before you even know how to walk.

maybe it's a culture thing? maybe over there people need to boast and brag to be 'worth' anything. do you have father issues perhaps? not getting recognized by your dad? want a hug? pat on the back?

It's much better than the idea of trying to support each idiot by telling them that they are special in their own way. I guess you're just happy sitting back and listening to what the marketing division of a company tells you instead of learning or earning your way anywhere. In your little world, I'm sure you'd be happy with someone who went through 8 years of college to get the same pay as the guy who works at McDonalds. Speaking of that, don't you have some burgers to flip?

How many more ways are you going to come up with of not comprehending this situation?
what?

I know it's hard to understand that I know more than you do, and in an effort to HELP you to understand, I will show you how much you still have to learn. This can ease the pain of you learning about the finer points of the game, which I can also teach you. There's so much to learn, if you actually tried.
playing the "help" card lol. once again, he doing well in tournaments is still more than you duelling random people.

You can assume I'm talking bullshit, but that doesn't make you any less wrong. You see how you have to guess so much? It's because you have no experience. You keep trying to leave doors open for yourself in case I happen to be right. The thing is, if you knew what you were talking about and I was wrong, you wouldn't have to guess. Notice the difference in my argument? I'm not guessing, I'm TELLING you that you're wrong. You just don't have any argument, and this is several levels above your head.
im wrong about what? please tell me what im wrong about. i dont think you have a clue what you're talking about anymore.

So you're trying to talk about PVP with only PVE experience. Thank you for admitting what I have been saying from the start. We have people like you all over the US forums - they're called scrubs. It's no wonder you shit yourself over even so much as a duel while I am naked.
still mentioning duels eh.. hah...

wait wasn't this about celex? once again you're trying to lower me to seem superior.

The same reason I don't play CS - morals. If I just wanted money, I could become a prostitute. Some of us actually play for an accomplishment, and expect the time and effort that we put in to be rewarded by punishing those who DON'T put that time and effort in. You're just a fanboy spectator, and you're trying to learn to fly before you even know how to walk.
so.. morals makes you duel random people when you could make money. that makes sense.
stop lying you loser, you havnt got what it takes (clearly) just as you never did in quake. and dont try to twist this argument on me because i'm not the one claiming to be super man.


It's much better than the idea of trying to support each idiot by telling them that they are special in their own way. I guess you're just happy sitting back and listening to what the marketing division of a company tells you instead of learning or earning your way anywhere. In your little world, I'm sure you'd be happy with someone who went through 8 years of college to get the same pay as the guy who works at McDonalds. Speaking of that, don't you have some burgers to flip?
we're all bitches to the "man". if you can't see that you're deluded. and no, i've never worked for a burger joint, hell, i went directly from school to a proper job that i enjoy.

and what has this to do with wow again? at least my argument had a connection to you boasting like a insecure teenager who tries to impress his friends. guess what americunt, it won't work with me.

you're exactly what kills wow pvp for me, people who act like they are 15 years old. i don't mind losing ingame, i mind bad winners.

playing the "help" card lol. once again, he doing well in tournaments is still more than you duelling random people.

I duel, play BGs, participate in world PVP, and even play in arena. Your boyfriend is carried by his team, and doesn't have much competition to begin with.

im wrong about what? please tell me what im wrong about. i dont think you have a clue what you're talking about anymore.

Balance, strategy, and competition. Do try to pay attention. If all else fails, you can always go and reread. Don't hurt yourself.

wait wasn't this about celex? once again you're trying to lower me to seem superior.

Mmhmm, and I've pointed out to you time and time again how poor the current competitive lineup is for WoW, and just how badly he plays his class for that level of competition. I don't need to lower you, you've proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. I seek to assist you in learning how to play, and I can demonstrate to you just how much of a difference it makes to play your class correctly. These are things which, even attempting to inform you about, that you seem incapable of understanding. With my help, and a huge ass pounding, I can enlighten you.

so.. morals makes you duel random people when you could make money. that makes sense.
stop lying you loser, you havnt got what it takes (clearly) just as you never did in quake. and dont try to twist this argument on me because i'm not the one claiming to be super man.

Could make a tad bit of money? Sure, but I could make even more money playing CS - why not do that? Oh wait, I could sell drugs and make even MORE money! Hell, I could turn to computer crime, and be one rich son of a bitch! Unlike you, I actually care about MY future, and the future of my family. To even suggest making money on something as laughable as 3v3 WoW is childish. I have a wife, and possibly soon to be a kid, to feed. I'll play a game when that game has a stable future, and progression dependent on performance instead of RNG.

we're all bitches to the "man". if you can't see that you're deluded. and no, i've never worked for a burger joint, hell, i went directly from school to a proper job that i enjoy.

and what has this to do with wow again? at least my argument had a connection to you boasting like a insecure teenager who tries to impress his friends. guess what americunt, it won't work with me.

How quickly you forget what we are talking about - it's almost startling. I suggest a medical exam, if you can manage to afford one. Once again, we're talking about financial stability and the reasoning behind NOT trying to play a game like WoW professionally. The money isn't reliable, the competition is poor, and WoW ultimately comes down to RNG at the highest level of play.

you're exactly what kills wow pvp for me, people who act like they are 15 years old. i don't mind losing ingame, i mind bad winners.

Your problem is that you build up these fantasy beliefs around the game, and just live them out. You won't even consider that I might be correct, despite the fact that you haven't played in high level arena and don't have any real PVP experience. You willfully choose ignorance when you could have just taken the time to learn about the game in more detail. If you're going to have such a vehement opinion, why not actually inform yourself on the subject? If you care THIS much about wow, why not bother to learn? You're the type who reads cliffnotes on wikipedia and instantly think you're educated on the subject. Sucks when you run into someone who IS, eh?

I duel, play BGs, participate in world PVP, and even play in arena. Your boyfriend is carried by his team, and doesn't have much competition to begin with.
you are free to think whatever you like. i'm still looking at cold hard facts and i'm staying with that. i guess that ends this discussion if you can't prove yourself better than him.

Balance, strategy, and competition. Do try to pay attention. If all else fails, you can always go and reread. Don't hurt yourself.
initial argument was about keybinds. after that you went on bashing how much better you think you are than everyone else. maybe you should re-read yourself?

Mmhmm, and I've pointed out to you time and time again how poor the current competitive lineup is for WoW, and just how badly he plays his class for that level of competition. I don't need to lower you, you've proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. I seek to assist you in learning how to play, and I can demonstrate to you just how much of a difference it makes to play your class correctly. These are things which, even attempting to inform you about, that you seem incapable of understanding. With my help, and a huge ass pounding, I can enlighten you.
once again you're free to think whatever you want but i don't agree with you. and i dont need "teaching", i'm not stupid. i'm just not very intrested. i could teach you loads of stuff you're not intrested in but that wouldn't help you much, would it. so do yourself and me the favor and drop the whole "learning"-card. bottom line is that you think this guy sucks after watching a 30 second clip of him playing without even watching the screen. he's earned thousands of dollars playing and has proven himself in brackets at the best bg in us. that's enough to prove yourself worthy in my book. when you've done the same you can come back, until then i'll just ignore your bashings of him

Could make a tad bit of money? Sure, but I could make even more money playing CS - why not do that? Oh wait, I could sell drugs and make even MORE money! Hell, I could turn to computer crime, and be one rich son of a bitch! Unlike you, I actually care about MY future, and the future of my family. To even suggest making money on something as laughable as 3v3 WoW is childish. I have a wife, and possibly soon to be a kid, to feed. I'll play a game when that game has a stable future, and progression dependent on performance instead of RNG.
you really dont know how make metafors, selling drugs is illegal, and obviously so is "computer crime". and playing computer games is a hobby. if you are good enough you can make money on a hobby. if you dont have time over for hobbies i can see why you're so miserable and whining all day at esr.

How quickly you forget what we are talking about - it's almost startling. I suggest a medical exam, if you can manage to afford one. Once again, we're talking about financial stability and the reasoning behind NOT trying to play a game like WoW professionally. The money isn't reliable, the competition is poor, and WoW ultimately comes down to RNG at the highest level of play.
wait WHAT?! who said professionally? who said for a living? i didn't for sure. why would you bring that to the table? i agree that esports isnt the best way to make your way in life when it comes to economy and i don't think i've ever claimed that. however, earning some money while you're having fun is a good deal. you can't deny that. and yes, theres random events just as in any game.

Your problem is that you build up these fantasy beliefs around the game, and just live them out. You won't even consider that I might be correct, despite the fact that you haven't played in high level arena and don't have any real PVP experience. You willfully choose ignorance when you could have just taken the time to learn about the game in more detail. If you're going to have such a vehement opinion, why not actually inform yourself on the subject? If you care THIS much about wow, why not bother to learn? You're the type who reads cliffnotes on wikipedia and instantly think you're educated on the subject. Sucks when you run into someone who IS, eh?
this could all be said to you aswell. should i copy paste or can you just read your own text through?
i've never claimed to know much about balance, tactics or anything like that. i've just said that keybindings isnt the biggest reason you're good or not. i do believe that you can still compete with somewhat unorthodox (spelling?) keybindings, and celex has proved it. whether you like it or not he is in one of the top teams and theres nothing you can do about it.

i think we're running in circles here anyway. you think you are superman while you havnt proven yourself in any way while celex does well in tournaments which i think is more of a merit than your talking on esr.

you are free to think whatever you like. i'm still looking at cold hard facts and i'm staying with that. i guess that ends this discussion if you can't prove yourself better than him.

Hmm? I can easily prove the inferiority of his keybinds. I'm sure you'd love to back out on what you've gotten yourself into at this point.

initial argument was about keybinds. after that you went on bashing how much better you think you are than everyone else. maybe you should re-read yourself?

That's correct, and we got into a discussion where you clearly made statements that were uninformed. The parts pertaining to you were about these opinions that you conjured up.

once again you're free to think whatever you want but i don't agree with you. and i dont need "teaching", i'm not stupid. i'm just not very intrested. i could teach you loads of stuff you're not intrested in but that wouldn't help you much, would it. so do yourself and me the favor and drop the whole "learning"-card. bottom line is that you think this guy sucks after watching a 30 second clip of him playing without even watching the screen. he's earned thousands of dollars playing and has proven himself in brackets at the best bg in us. that's enough to prove yourself worthy in my book. when you've done the same you can come back, until then i'll just ignore your bashings of him

I like how you're getting timid with the "YOU'RE FREE TO HAVE AN OPINION" now. No shit, sherlock. However, this isn't an opinion. I spent a long time over the years perfecting my keybinds, as I found quite a few issues with being able to micro/macro without them. This isn't something that you can debate, as it's the same as trying to say that you could play at the highest level of Quake by lifting your hand off of the mouse for each time you left click. It's clearly a joke. Again, it doesn't matter WHAT his keybinds correspond to, and if you had played mage at any high level, you would already know this. Playing in BG9 in US isn't a big deal, as once again, the competitive level in the game has taken a nosedive. Most people are playing BGs, or partaking in world PVP, especially so close to the expansion. You'd know this if you actually played.

you really dont know how make metafors, selling drugs is illegal, and obviously so is "computer crime". and playing computer games is a hobby. if you are good enough you can make money on a hobby. if you dont have time over for hobbies i can see why you're so miserable and whining all day at esr.

I have several hobbies already. Starcraft, poker, chess, DDR, etc... However, to put the kind of time into making money with any of those, I'd have to drop what is already making me money, and at the same time get LESS. Again, I can do a lot of things if I just want money, including things of questionable morals, but I don't do them. I sense a kind of jealousy from you with this. Trying to push me to play a game professionally, as if you need some validation that it's not a complete waste of time. PROTIP: WoW is a waste of time, and you shouldn't treat it as anything else.

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wait WHAT?! who said professionally? who said for a living? i didn't for sure. why would you bring that to the table? i agree that esports isnt the best way to make your way in life when it comes to economy and i don't think i've ever claimed that. however, earning some money while you're having fun is a good deal. you can't deny that. and yes, theres random events just as in any game.

How do you propose I get time off of work to go to these events? Why would I use vacation time on an event when I could use it for family events? Seriously, are you 12? Never mind, I'm not even surprised that you couldn't think of something like that. I know it's hard for you to understand, since you're not in my position and you know nothing about WoW PVP in general, but 3v3 just doesn't get my blood pumping. There is no incentive to playing with the low level of competition, and the random format.

this could all be said to you aswell. should i copy paste or can you just read your own text through?
i've never claimed to know much about balance, tactics or anything like that. i've just said that keybindings isnt the biggest reason you're good or not. i do believe that you can still compete with somewhat unorthodox (spelling?) keybindings, and celex has proved it. whether you like it or not he is in one of the top teams and theres nothing you can do about it.

I do have a valid opinion because I'm informed. I spent the time learning, which you did not. You haven't earned that experience, and you're basically driving without a license. The only thing he's proven is how low the competition level has fallen. Season 4 is full of scrubs with FOTM rerolls, while most of the good players are dueling in front of orgrimmar, playing in the BGs, and organizing world pvp, or simply quitting the game. I have always enjoyed the fruits of undergeared PVP, as it's even more delicious when I defeat someone in S4 while wearing S1. Yes, there are players in S4 who still turn with the keyboard and click their skills. By the way you idolize this guy, I would have to guess that you ignorantly also think that Fatal1ty is the best player in the world.

i think we're running in circles here anyway. you think you are superman while you havnt proven yourself in any way while celex does well in tournaments which i think is more of a merit than your talking on esr.

Well, if you think you are more informed than me, in any way, you'll have no problem showing me up in duels and arena skirmishes with your friends. By the way you describe your skill through misrepresentation of how the game really works, I might just let you bring 2 friends along against me. Hell, I'm still teaching my friend how to play mage (he's only been 70 for a few weeks!), and I'll even transfer him over as well so you can try to 1v1/1v2 him after with the same handicaps.

Hmm? I can easily prove the inferiority of his keybinds. I'm sure you'd love to back out on what you've gotten yourself into at this point.
he still does well in tournaments and you don't. whine all you want kiddo. that discussion is over.

That's correct, and we got into a discussion where you clearly made statements that were uninformed. The parts pertaining to you were about these opinions that you conjured up.
like what? i think i've answered every single point you've made and you stopped answering.

I like how you're getting timid with the "YOU'RE FREE TO HAVE AN OPINION" now. No shit, sherlock. However, this isn't an opinion. I spent a long time over the years perfecting my keybinds, as I found quite a few issues with being able to micro/macro without them. This isn't something that you can debate, as it's the same as trying to say that you could play at the highest level of Quake by lifting your hand off of the mouse for each time you left click. It's clearly a joke. Again, it doesn't matter WHAT his keybinds correspond to, and if you had played mage at any high level, you would already know this. Playing in BG9 in US isn't a big deal, as once again, the competitive level in the game has taken a nosedive. Most people are playing BGs, or partaking in world PVP, especially so close to the expansion. You'd know this if you actually played.
uhh all of the above is just bla bla bla... until you've proven yourself you're just a random. and once again im talking about tournaments. i couldn't care less what happens on your server.

I have several hobbies already. Starcraft, poker, chess, DDR, etc... However, to put the kind of time into making money with any of those, I'd have to drop what is already making me money, and at the same time get LESS. Again, I can do a lot of things if I just want money, including things of questionable morals, but I don't do them. I sense a kind of jealousy from you with this. Trying to push me to play a game professionally, as if you need some validation that it's not a complete waste of time. PROTIP: WoW is a waste of time, and you shouldn't treat it as anything else.
i can understand that you don't like the game, and that's ok. i don't really care about your opinion. why would i need any form of validation? if i were to think that playing this game was a waste of time i would just quit.. games are supposed to be fun. i just can't see the issue with making money while you're having fun..
my "hidden message" was that you most likely wouldnt be able to compete at that level anyway because if you were able to you would be already.

wait WHAT?! who said professionally? who said for a living? i didn't for sure. why would you bring that to the table? i agree that esports isnt the best way to make your way in life when it comes to economy and i don't think i've ever claimed that. however, earning some money while you're having fun is a good deal. you can't deny that. and yes, theres random events just as in any game.

How do you propose I get time off of work to go to these events? Why would I use vacation time on an event when I could use it for family events? Seriously, are you 12? Never mind, I'm not even surprised that you couldn't think of something like that. I know it's hard for you to understand, since you're not in my position and you know nothing about WoW PVP in general, but 3v3 just doesn't get my blood pumping. There is no incentive to playing with the low level of competition, and the random format.
i think most tournaments are at weekends so people dont have to take time off.. maybe half a day for travels but i guess that would be worth it for like $5000? and no, i'm not 12. and you're right, i dont know what your life looks like. but if you're not able to take a weekend off once a month or so i do feel sorry for you. like i've said before.. if you dont like 3v3 thats fine. however saying its totally random is sort of bull.. if you look at the previous winners you'll see that its sort of consistent. way more than q3 ever was for example.

I do have a valid opinion because I'm informed. I spent the time learning, which you did not. You haven't earned that experience, and you're basically driving without a license. The only thing he's proven is how low the competition level has fallen. Season 4 is full of scrubs with FOTM rerolls, while most of the good players are dueling in front of orgrimmar, playing in the BGs, and organizing world pvp, or simply quitting the game. I have always enjoyed the fruits of undergeared PVP, as it's even more delicious when I defeat someone in S4 while wearing S1. Yes, there are players in S4 who still turn with the keyboard and click their skills. By the way you idolize this guy, I would have to guess that you ignorantly also think that Fatal1ty is the best player in the world.
once again vedic you are a slow learner. i've said multiple times in this thread this is not about live servers. it's about tournaments and tournament realms. if you hang out at your shit sylvanas server or w/e its called ofc you wont play good players. if you want competition i suggest you move to TR servers and go to tournaments. but i wonder what you will blame then.. luck? rng? maybe both. lulz.

Well, if you think you are more informed than me, in any way, you'll have no problem showing me up in duels and arena skirmishes with your friends. By the way you describe your skill through misrepresentation of how the game really works, I might just let you bring 2 friends along against me. Hell, I'm still teaching my friend how to play mage (he's only been 70 for a few weeks!), and I'll even transfer him over as well so you can try to 1v1/1v2 him after with the same handicaps.
this is pathetic. maybe i should teach you how to read? you clearly seem to know nothing on the subject. maybe your dad beat you in the head too much as a child and you lost some memory the school years?

once again (for the 1233113th time) this has nothing to do with me. celex does well in tournaments and you don't. you can keep fighting it hero but it won't go away. even with shit keybindings he does better than you. makes me lulz.

he still does well in tournaments and you don't. whine all you want kiddo. that discussion is over.

So now you agree about the keybinds, and are forced to agree on the level of competition.

like what? i think i've answered every single point you've made and you stopped answering.

All of your opinions on the game are assumptions. I don't have questions for you, because you don't have answers.

uhh all of the above is just bla bla bla... until you've proven yourself you're just a random. and once again im talking about tournaments. i couldn't care less what happens on your server.

But you already agree on the inferiority of his keybinds, which means you agree that the competition is low, which means you agree with my description of high level play. Once again, good players don't play 3v3, and don't take the game seriously.

my "hidden message" was that you most likely wouldnt be able to compete at that level anyway because if you were able to you would be already.

No, you would... and only because you don't understand the game, and you think it's a professional platform. The ONLY game I would consider playing professionally is Starcraft, and I'm still learning the game. I still wouldn't quit my job for a tournament, though.

wait WHAT?! who said professionally? who said for a living? i didn't for sure. why would you bring that to the table? i agree that esports isnt the best way to make your way in life when it comes to economy and i don't think i've ever claimed that. however, earning some money while you're having fun is a good deal. you can't deny that. and yes, theres random events just as in any game.

3v3 is not fun. 5v5? Now there's some potential, but the classes could still use a little tweaking.

i think most tournaments are at weekends so people dont have to take time off.. maybe half a day for travels but i guess that would be worth it for like $5000? and no, i'm not 12. and you're right, i dont know what your life looks like. but if you're not able to take a weekend off once a month or so i do feel sorry for you. like i've said before.. if you dont like 3v3 thats fine. however saying its totally random is sort of bull.. if you look at the previous winners you'll see that its sort of consistent. way more than q3 ever was for example.

You feel sorry for me because I wouldn't use vacation time on a game? Get your priorities straight. 3v3 IS random, especially with mirror matchups. When it comes down to it, if you have two equally skilled teams, there are no clutch plays - it comes down to who lucks out on RNG first. You can only be consistent with 3v3 if your competition is low... How many times did we go over this?

once again vedic you are a slow learner. i've said multiple times in this thread this is not about live servers. it's about tournaments and tournament realms. if you hang out at your shit sylvanas server or w/e its called ofc you wont play good players. if you want competition i suggest you move to TR servers and go to tournaments. but i wonder what you will blame then.. luck? rng? maybe both. lulz.

I did play on the tournament realm, but it's mostly scrubs who just want an instant level 70. Quite boring. As for my server, when I'm finished coming over to yours to humiliate you, I dare you to come over to mine and see just how high the skill bar is set. I'm currently teaching my friend to play mage, as he recently just hit level 70. He would already beat you naked.

this is pathetic. maybe i should teach you how to read? you clearly seem to know nothing on the subject. maybe your dad beat you in the head too much as a child and you lost some memory the school years?

You haven't accepted any sort of challenge thus far, despite ALL the advantages I've given you. Are you really THAT bad? What more must I do to even the playing field? Click my skills? I'm beginning to wonder if you even know how to PVE, let alone fight a player. Does your guild carry you through PVE like your teammates carry you through BGs?

once again (for the 1233113th time) this has nothing to do with me. celex does well in tournaments and you don't. you can keep fighting it hero but it won't go away. even with shit keybindings he does better than you. makes me lulz.

Hey, if you want to try to say I'm wrong, you prove you know more than me. All you've shown is a lot of "BUT I READ IT ON WIKIPEDIA" and pussyfooting. You can play me as any class you want, and I'll wear NO gear. I'll have exponentially less health/mana and I'll hit like a kitten - how can you lose? I'll play as many times as you want, so you can't blame RNG on my tiny crits. Hell, after playing naked a few dozen times, I can put on my PVP gear and show you what it would be like in a fair fight - that is, not fair at all. You think you know about arena, the level of competition, how to play your class, and PVP in general? Show up when transfers come up, or shut up.

PROTIP: don't show up, I will record it.

So now you agree about the keybinds, and are forced to agree on the level of competition.
i dont think i ever said they were good. did i? and i dont know what the level competition on your bg is. and that's the only thing you know of, right?

All of your opinions on the game are assumptions. I don't have questions for you, because you don't have answers.
you act like i dont even play the game, which is pretty funny. maybe you should get down from your high horse and dont act like a teenager?

But you already agree on the inferiority of his keybinds, which means you agree that the competition is low, which means you agree with my description of high level play. Once again, good players don't play 3v3, and don't take the game seriously.
whether his keybinds are shit or not i dont really care, i care what they do in game and who wins what tournament. do you check quake players configs what they use to move around?! i dont think so. my point all along was that he does well with his keybinds. and i know you don't agree with this because you're an american and can't accept anyone else beeing better than you because of your blown up ego but i think hes good and theres nothing you can do about it.

No, you would... and only because you don't understand the game, and you think it's a professional platform. The ONLY game I would consider playing professionally is Starcraft, and I'm still learning the game. I still wouldn't quit my job for a tournament, though.
i think you're forgetting something, i don't live in the US where most tournies take place. and i dont feel like climbing live ladders because i think that system is le shittery. and as i've said before, it might not be the best platform or game to compete in but at least its fun to follow. SC is a better balanced game, no doubt. i dont think i ever said wow is totally balanced. and it doesnt really matter in tournaments since you can pick from all classes..

3v3 is not fun. 5v5? Now there's some potential, but the classes could still use a little tweaking.
yup, 5v5 is perhaps a better format. but as stated before to hold a tournament with 5 players is harder than 3 players per team. computer space, where to stay etc.

You feel sorry for me because I wouldn't use vacation time on a game? Get your priorities straight. 3v3 IS random, especially with mirror matchups. When it comes down to it, if you have two equally skilled teams, there are no clutch plays - it comes down to who lucks out on RNG first. You can only be consistent with 3v3 if your competition is low... How many times did we go over this?
RMP mirror for example is a lot about what rogue gets opener so its sort of a game who can survive the longest without rogue popping out. from what i saw last tournament the rogue who got opener on the other rogue won the game. i wouldn't call that random.

then ofc, there are random factors in the game. i agree to that, and i've agreed to it before. however, i believe, over time the best team will still win.


I did play on the tournament realm, but it's mostly scrubs who just want an instant level 70. Quite boring. As for my server, when I'm finished coming over to yours to humiliate you, I dare you to come over to mine and see just how high the skill bar is set. I'm currently teaching my friend to play mage, as he recently just hit level 70. He would already beat you naked.
how much rating did you reach on TR? sub 1800 i guess?

aww i'm disapointed vedic. i thought you had realized this isnt about me but i guess i was wrong :(.

You haven't accepted any sort of challenge thus far, despite ALL the advantages I've given you. Are you really THAT bad? What more must I do to even the playing field? Click my skills? I'm beginning to wonder if you even know how to PVE, let alone fight a player. Does your guild carry you through PVE like your teammates carry you through BGs?
i dont want to play you, it's as simple as that. i dont care how good/bad you are. it's not the point. maybe in your world it is but in mine its not. BGs is a farming ground with bots and green geared alts. who cares about BGs?! PvE is easy. just do what it says on your screen and you'll be fine. how can anyone fail on that? oh wait... have you killed kj yet? i guess some people can fail.... OH WAIT AGAIN! maybe you dont care just as i dont care about pvp?

Hey, if you want to try to say I'm wrong, you prove you know more than me. All you've shown is a lot of "BUT I READ IT ON WIKIPEDIA" and pussyfooting. You can play me as any class you want, and I'll wear NO gear. I'll have exponentially less health/mana and I'll hit like a kitten - how can you lose? I'll play as many times as you want, so you can't blame RNG on my tiny crits. Hell, after playing naked a few dozen times, I can put on my PVP gear and show you what it would be like in a fair fight - that is, not fair at all. You think you know about arena, the level of competition, how to play your class, and PVP in general? Show up when transfers come up, or shut up.

PROTIP: don't show up, I will record it.
you got this all messed up dude. maybe you should duel celex instead? i got better things to do than waste my time running around duelling and doing fucken bgs. when i play wow i play to raid or do other fun stuff with my mates. your anti-social behaviour might explain why you're such a whiny bitch on this site.

and your grudge is quite amusing. lulz. so keen to keel. maybe you should get a gun and do a school shooting? get the frustration out.

i dont think i ever said they were good. did i? and i dont know what the level competition on your bg is. and that's the only thing you know of, right?

I play on several BGs with accounts for friends who need points.

you act like i dont even play the game, which is pretty funny. maybe you should get down from your high horse and dont act like a teenager?

By the way you talk, it sounds like you don't.

whether his keybinds are shit or not i dont really care, i care what they do in game and who wins what tournament. do you check quake players configs what they use to move around?! i dont think so. my point all along was that he does well with his keybinds. and i know you don't agree with this because you're an american and can't accept anyone else beeing better than you because of your blown up ego but i think hes good and theres nothing you can do about it.

I don't need to check Quake configs when I know how high the competition level is. I know that someone using the mouse wheel to change weapons isn't going to be chilling in the top 30. The competition level, while higher in S2/S3, still has never been very high, and only lower in S4. I've pointed out to you already that I don't believe I'm the best, but merely that I am far better than him.

i think you're forgetting something, i don't live in the US where most tournies take place. and i dont feel like climbing live ladders because i think that system is le shittery. and as i've said before, it might not be the best platform or game to compete in but at least its fun to follow. SC is a better balanced game, no doubt. i dont think i ever said wow is totally balanced. and it doesnt really matter in tournaments since you can pick from all classes..

Just because something is in the US doesn't mean I can just get up and go to it, either. If that were the case, I'd've gone to Blizzcon. The only reason I even GO to Quakecon is because it's a 20 minute drive from my house. Again, no matter the system in a tournament, it all comes down to classes and counter-classes (rock/paper/scissors) and then mirror matchups (dice rolls). In general, the game relies far too much on RNG, even after the advent of resilience. Things *are* getting better with WOTLK, but they're not nearly up to the standards that would be required to take the game seriously on a 3v3 level. I somehow doubt that it's even possible with the corner that they've coded themselves into.

yup, 5v5 is perhaps a better format. but as stated before to hold a tournament with 5 players is harder than 3 players per team. computer space, where to stay etc.

Works for CS/COD/etc. I get that it's better for convenience, but it's no better than using shitty monitors. 5v5 still has a few problems, but they're far less blaring, and crits play a smaller part.

RMP mirror for example is a lot about what rogue gets opener so its sort of a game who can survive the longest without rogue popping out. from what i saw last tournament the rogue who got opener on the other rogue won the game. i wouldn't call that random.

then ofc, there are random factors in the game. i agree to that, and i've agreed to it before. however, i believe, over time the best team will still win.

The biggest random factor is the crit system, and the attempt to supress it simply through resilience. The reliance on such a system for the core game, and then the attempt to kinda disable it in arena was a really BAD idea. More than anything, it hurt rogues and mages the most.

As for the rogue opener, whoever wasn't a human rogue lost. =X

you got this all messed up dude. maybe you should duel celex instead? i got better things to do than waste my time running around duelling and doing fucken bgs. when i play wow i play to raid or do other fun stuff with my mates. your anti-social behaviour might explain why you're such a whiny bitch on this site.

and your grudge is quite amusing. lulz. so keen to keel. maybe you should get a gun and do a school shooting? get the frustration out.

Hell, I can do both. Transfer costs are no big deal.

I play on several BGs with accounts for friends who need points.
even if you do well on bg9, like you said, you would still have to do some tournament play to prove yourself better than celex.

By the way you talk, it sounds like you don't.
says the guy who thinks keybinds is the main way to get good.. lol..

I don't need to check Quake configs when I know how high the competition level is. I know that someone using the mouse wheel to change weapons isn't going to be chilling in the top 30. The competition level, while higher in S2/S3, still has never been very high, and only lower in S4. I've pointed out to you already that I don't believe I'm the best, but merely that I am far better than him.
still not talking about your live crap. provide proof of tournament play or TTR and i will believe you. so far all you've done is all talk.

Just because something is in the US doesn't mean I can just get up and go to it, either. If that were the case, I'd've gone to Blizzcon. The only reason I even GO to Quakecon is because it's a 20 minute drive from my house. Again, no matter the system in a tournament, it all comes down to classes and counter-classes (rock/paper/scissors) and then mirror matchups (dice rolls). In general, the game relies far too much on RNG, even after the advent of resilience. Things *are* getting better with WOTLK, but they're not nearly up to the standards that would be required to take the game seriously on a 3v3 level. I somehow doubt that it's even possible with the corner that they've coded themselves into.
i disagree. check some tournament statistics and comps before you vomit these lies all over the place.

Works for CS/COD/etc. I get that it's better for convenience, but it's no better than using shitty monitors. 5v5 still has a few problems, but they're far less blaring, and crits play a smaller part.
im not sure if youre aware of this but wow is pretty new to tournaments and because of people like you its not evolving. at some point maybe all tournaments will be 5v5 when organizers can afford it. cs-type games has been around for ages.


The biggest random factor is the crit system, and the attempt to supress it simply through resilience. The reliance on such a system for the core game, and then the attempt to kinda disable it in arena was a really BAD idea. More than anything, it hurt rogues and mages the most.

As for the rogue opener, whoever wasn't a human rogue lost. =X
thats why you go alliance when you play rmp. and yes, resiliance might not have been the best idea to 'fix' pvp. what has this got to do with the discussion?

Hell, I can do both. Transfer costs are no big deal.
are we in the hood? a discussion comes to "bust a cop in yo ass". seems pretty kindergarden-ish.

have you ever tried explaining WHY bad keybinds dont work? or did you just skip that part. maybe you dont have a clue and just dont want to look stupid (which is already miles gone). if you actually provided with some solid points instead of bashing someone might agree with you for once.

Holy shit you guys just wrote a thesis about wow, took me like a min to scroll down fast to the end!

even if you do well on bg9, like you said, you would still have to do some tournament play to prove yourself better than celex.

And again, when a real 5v5 comes up, you'll likely see that. You'll also see a lot more competition in there, and he'll likely get dropped.

says the guy who thinks keybinds is the main way to get good.. lol..

No, it's not the way to get good at the game, nor have I stated as such. It's the first step to becoming good.

still not talking about your live crap. provide proof of tournament play or TTR and i will believe you. so far all you've done is all talk.

Of course, I wouldn't have any of the tourney screenshots from years ago still, and I didn't spend more than a month on the tourney realms. If you don't believe me about the tourney realms, though, just pay for a month on them and you'll see how bad they are.

i disagree. check some tournament statistics and comps before you vomit these lies all over the place.

Been there, done that. Try again.

im not sure if youre aware of this but wow is pretty new to tournaments and because of people like you its not evolving. at some point maybe all tournaments will be 5v5 when organizers can afford it. cs-type games has been around for ages.

People like me? People who don't participate in unbalanced play simply to promote the game? I won't play checkers in hopes to get chess. It's not my job to promote their game, though I'm sure you're so used to doing it for id that it seems natural to you.

thats why you go alliance when you play rmp. and yes, resiliance might not have been the best idea to 'fix' pvp. what has this got to do with the discussion?

It's one of the key problems with 3v3 in general. Due to the reduction in crits, a lucky crit is all the more important, and the only deciding factor in equally skilled teams. Equally skilled teams can have landslide results simply due to dice.

are we in the hood? a discussion comes to "bust a cop in yo ass". seems pretty kindergarden-ish.

have you ever tried explaining WHY bad keybinds dont work? or did you just skip that part. maybe you dont have a clue and just dont want to look stupid (which is already miles gone). if you actually provided with some solid points instead of bashing someone might agree with you for once.

All you had to do was ask, but you instead decided to simply say I was wrong.

The big part of mage, especially at the highest level, is mobility. Now, if he was playing just about any class aside from mage, none of this would even really apply, but with mage, it is VERY important that your fingers never stray from resting on your movement keys. Mages sport the least armor and health, with only a few defensive techniques (supposing the mage is frost) to handle problem situations that come up. Unlike other classes, mage is easily the most interactive, and requires the most micro and macro at the same time, and quick, direct, access to your skills while being ready to move can easily separate a good mage from a bad one.

Perhaps you consider the buttons he pressed possible to be used in a less active situation, but that doesn't really apply at the highest level. Sure, he might not have needed it there, but there is always a place in another situation where he would have. If you noticed, it wasn't just one bind, but many that were very sloppy. I believe he even still uses tab to target, which is another reason he has had to bind his keys away from his movement. Hell, he's got an MX518, and it looks like he isn't even using the buttons!

Little timing situations might all seem like nothing, but they add up, and it's much better to be proactive instead of reactive. Shaping up your keybinds is the first step to being able to focus all your attention to the game at hand. You say you play mage, but since you don't PVP a lot, you don't get to feel the pressure for reaction time. PVE is totally different since you don't have to move around that much, and you pretty much just 11111222222repeat. For PVE, binds like that are fine (though I still recommend some optimization), but the problem will only surface when you are being pushed.

And again, when a real 5v5 comes up, you'll likely see that. You'll also see a lot more competition in there, and he'll likely get dropped.
i guess time will tell then.

No, it's not the way to get good at the game, nor have I stated as such. It's the first step to becoming good.
clearly not.. however we disagree about celex so no point in answering this.

Of course, I wouldn't have any of the tourney screenshots from years ago still, and I didn't spend more than a month on the tourney realms. If you don't believe me about the tourney realms, though, just pay for a month on them and you'll see how bad they are.
how can you judge what tr is now if you tried it years ago?

Been there, done that. Try again.
let me help you. orz the 2 tournaments they won

People like me? People who don't participate in unbalanced play simply to promote the game? I won't play checkers in hopes to get chess. It's not my job to promote their game, though I'm sure you're so used to doing it for id that it seems natural to you.
Doing something else than bashing might be a good idea. you're coming off as a wow pvp hater (pretty much like anyone whos frustrated with temporary rng). there's more than black and white you know. and i dont think i ever promoted id.. i only like about 2-3 games they made (and thats after it was modified, vanilla in these games were horrible).


It's one of the key problems with 3v3 in general. Due to the reduction in crits, a lucky crit is all the more important, and the only deciding factor in equally skilled teams. Equally skilled teams can have landslide results simply due to dice.
ok, fair point. but shouldnt rng be even more of a factor in 5v5 since you have more people running and 'rolling the dice' as you would say? 3 crits is more deadly than 2 or 1.

All you had to do was ask, but you instead decided to simply say I was wrong.

The big part of mage, especially at the highest level, is mobility. Now, if he was playing just about any class aside from mage, none of this would even really apply, but with mage, it is VERY important that your fingers never stray from resting on your movement keys. Mages sport the least armor and health, with only a few defensive techniques (supposing the mage is frost) to handle problem situations that come up. Unlike other classes, mage is easily the most interactive, and requires the most micro and macro at the same time, and quick, direct, access to your skills while being ready to move can easily separate a good mage from a bad one.

Perhaps you consider the buttons he pressed possible to be used in a less active situation, but that doesn't really apply at the highest level. Sure, he might not have needed it there, but there is always a place in another situation where he would have. If you noticed, it wasn't just one bind, but many that were very sloppy. I believe he even still uses tab to target, which is another reason he has had to bind his keys away from his movement. Hell, he's got an MX518, and it looks like he isn't even using the buttons!

Little timing situations might all seem like nothing, but they add up, and it's much better to be proactive instead of reactive. Shaping up your keybinds is the first step to being able to focus all your attention to the game at hand. You say you play mage, but since you don't PVP a lot, you don't get to feel the pressure for reaction time. PVE is totally different since you don't have to move around that much, and you pretty much just 11111222222repeat. For PVE, binds like that are fine (though I still recommend some optimization), but the problem will only surface when you are being pushed.
why would i ask when you're the one stating stuff :). its your 'job' to explain yourself. finally we have a decent discussion going :D

whats stated above is true, except the part when it adds up. i dont think its that big of an issue. but i guess we'll see when they run 5v5 tours.

how can you judge what tr is now if you tried it years ago?

I didn't try it that long ago, it wasn't even out more than a year ago.

Doing something else than bashing might be a good idea. you're coming off as a wow pvp hater (pretty much like anyone whos frustrated with temporary rng). there's more than black and white you know. and i dont think i ever promoted id.. i only like about 2-3 games they made (and thats after it was modified, vanilla in these games were horrible).

I would if the game was at all respectable. I kinda take issue with a company that can make such a masterpiece like Starcraft, and then make such a mess like WoW. I don't play the game for the PVP, that's just the only portion of the game that I have time for and participate in at any time. I wouldn't even still play the game if my friends would just learn to use AIM/steam to communicate. Even THEY don't play the game to actually play it. =/

Glad to hear we agree on id.

ok, fair point. but shouldnt rng be even more of a factor in 5v5 since you have more people running and 'rolling the dice' as you would say? 3 crits is more deadly than 2 or 1.

True, 5v5 can be decided much more quickly, but that's simply because of the nature of WoW PVP and the strength of healing. Even in 2v2 (warrior/druid) 2x DPS will have to get lucky crits in order to attempt to take down the warrior, and splitting DPS would mean a loss. Since WoW is all about focus fire (not 1v1v1v1v1etc) the crits are less useful in 5v5 since you have the numbers to back it up in a rush anyway. Instead, it's more about positioning and timing. If 5 people are all focusing you down and they're all DPS, an odd crit isn't going to change how fast they went down by enough to matter. I'm not saying it's perfectly balanced on this level, even, but just moreso than 3v3.

Now, none of this would matter if it was square balanced 1v1 across the board, and the DPS normalization they were trying to get at with WOTLK is helping, but the major differences in class mechanics are still holding things back. I think many more baseline class spells need to go into the talent tree, and have a normalization of talents across the board. For example, if a mage wants blink, it would take the same talent points as getting charge as warrior, or disengage as a hunter. A rough example, but I think balancing mobility, damage, and defense, should be a task put on the player, with a lot more common abilities in ALL classes.

why would i ask when you're the one stating stuff :). its your 'job' to explain yourself. finally we have a decent discussion going :D

whats stated above is true, except the part when it adds up. i dont think its that big of an issue. but i guess we'll see when they run 5v5 tours.

Indeed, but you could have just asked me to explain my position a long time ago. =P

The limiting factor on all classes (and the biggest threat to the mage) is the GCD, and you should be squeezing out an action per each GCD to keep ahead of your opponents. No matter how fast you are, you're always limited by the GCD, and so are your opponents. Earning even one more GCD faster than they do can be the difference between a win and a loss, and allows you for much more smooth balancing of longer cooldowns. Now, I don't notice this urgency with almost any other class, mostly due to class mechanics, and the need would be slightly less in a LAN environment. It wasn't so bad back before BC when mage mobility was godly and you had a lot of room for error, but there are just too many interrupts, and gap closing techniques, and powerful heals, to waste any time.

I didn't try it that long ago, it wasn't even out more than a year ago.
Thats what i found odd about your statement. TR has been around since early this year, right? Maybe US TR is different then. Most top teams dont bother with live anymore.

I would if the game was at all respectable. I kinda take issue with a company that can make such a masterpiece like Starcraft, and then make such a mess like WoW. I don't play the game for the PVP, that's just the only portion of the game that I have time for and participate in at any time. I wouldn't even still play the game if my friends would just learn to use AIM/steam to communicate. Even THEY don't play the game to actually play it. =/

Glad to hear we agree on id.

Fair enough, i understand your situation.


True, 5v5 can be decided much more quickly, but that's simply because of the nature of WoW PVP and the strength of healing. Even in 2v2 (warrior/druid) 2x DPS will have to get lucky crits in order to attempt to take down the warrior, and splitting DPS would mean a loss. Since WoW is all about focus fire (not 1v1v1v1v1etc) the crits are less useful in 5v5 since you have the numbers to back it up in a rush anyway. Instead, it's more about positioning and timing. If 5 people are all focusing you down and they're all DPS, an odd crit isn't going to change how fast they went down by enough to matter. I'm not saying it's perfectly balanced on this level, even, but just moreso than 3v3.
what do you mean by 'numbers to back it up and rush away'?

Now, none of this would matter if it was square balanced 1v1 across the board, and the DPS normalization they were trying to get at with WOTLK is helping, but the major differences in class mechanics are still holding things back. I think many more baseline class spells need to go into the talent tree, and have a normalization of talents across the board. For example, if a mage wants blink, it would take the same talent points as getting charge as warrior, or disengage as a hunter. A rough example, but I think balancing mobility, damage, and defense, should be a task put on the player, with a lot more common abilities in ALL classes.
good idea actually. i havnt seen it that way before. then again you have the problem of getting this to work with pve :p

maybe create a side game for pvp?

Indeed, but you could have just asked me to explain my position a long time ago. =P

The limiting factor on all classes (and the biggest threat to the mage) is the GCD, and you should be squeezing out an action per each GCD to keep ahead of your opponents. No matter how fast you are, you're always limited by the GCD, and so are your opponents. Earning even one more GCD faster than they do can be the difference between a win and a loss, and allows you for much more smooth balancing of longer cooldowns. Now, I don't notice this urgency with almost any other class, mostly due to class mechanics, and the need would be slightly less in a LAN environment. It wasn't so bad back before BC when mage mobility was godly and you had a lot of room for error, but there are just too many interrupts, and gap closing techniques, and powerful heals, to waste any time.
i think 1 to 1,5 sec is enough time to move your fingers across the keyboard for one stroke.

it would be intresting to know what spells he used when he had that weird hand position.. i know he was in ice block when he was spamming it so maybe blink? or maybe its just an odd macro for some useless stuff.

Thats what i found odd about your statement. TR has been around since early this year, right? Maybe US TR is different then. Most top teams dont bother with live anymore.

I paid for it a few months ago and stopped playing it when I got bored. It's really not worth the money as it's almost just like live but with a ton of people who just wanted to play as a 70. I could only see it useful if you already had a dedicated team coming over that would be there with you.

what do you mean by 'numbers to back it up and rush away'?

You've got more DPS and you can dedicate more to a focus fire on a target. In 2v2/3v3, you're going to spend more time slowly wearing down mana against a healer unless you get a string of lucky crits, whereas it's somewhat inefficient to steadily try to simply outheal damage in a 5v5 environment.

good idea actually. i havnt seen it that way before. then again you have the problem of getting this to work with pve :p

maybe create a side game for pvp?

I know! Players have complained for the longest time over making PVP and PVE different parts of the game (just like guild wars) but Blizzard just won't do it. The biggest problem is that any tweak for PVP directly messes with PVE, and likewise for PVE to PVP. The ret pally balancing that was done for PVE with DPS normalization did bring them up to par on DPS meters in WOTLK, but now they're somewhat overpowered in PVP just because of class mechanics, and they'd rather try to balance them at the same time instead of having them work differently in each situation. I don't think that is possible, no matter how much they try, unless PVE is made to mimic PVP more.

i think 1 to 1,5 sec is enough time to move your fingers across the keyboard for one stroke.

it would be intresting to know what spells he used when he had that weird hand position.. i know he was in ice block when he was spamming it so maybe blink? or maybe its just an odd macro for some useless stuff.

You forget that, for mage, GCD is directly modified by haste rating. If that was blink, consider having to let go of a movement key while pressing blink. Likely the left movement key, so he'd end up always strafing right when he went to blink. With enough practice, you can see it in-game, and take advantage of it. Things like that are a bit harder to spot than keyboard turning, but when you play the same teams in arena enough, you end up noticing it.

I had this problem when I started the game as my blink was on Q - I would always have to be strafing right in order to use it, or I'd have to reposition. Generally, buttons that you are going to press while moving should be on the mouse (mouse4/shiftmouse4/mouse5/mwheel) and any action that would be unimportant to movement should be directly around your movement keys. I have 7 different actions (14 counting shift modifiers) on my mouse.

I haven't tried to change my binds in quite a while, but I remember being unable to reassign the spacebar from jump, which really made my life difficult. =(

I paid for it a few months ago and stopped playing it when I got bored. It's really not worth the money as it's almost just like live but with a ton of people who just wanted to play as a 70. I could only see it useful if you already had a dedicated team coming over that would be there with you.
yeah its mainly for 'already done'-teams who wants to compete.

You've got more DPS and you can dedicate more to a focus fire on a target. In 2v2/3v3, you're going to spend more time slowly wearing down mana against a healer unless you get a string of lucky crits, whereas it's somewhat inefficient to steadily try to simply outheal damage in a 5v5 environment.
i sort of agree, however in 3.0 tournaments the games were too quick. so i guess atm is sort of super fucked burst wise. i cant imagine what 5v5 in 3.0 is if they can burst people down that quick in 3v3..

I know! Players have complained for the longest time over making PVP and PVE different parts of the game (just like guild wars) but Blizzard just won't do it. The biggest problem is that any tweak for PVP directly messes with PVE, and likewise for PVE to PVP. The ret pally balancing that was done for PVE with DPS normalization did bring them up to par on DPS meters in WOTLK, but now they're somewhat overpowered in PVP just because of class mechanics, and they'd rather try to balance them at the same time instead of having them work differently in each situation. I don't think that is possible, no matter how much they try, unless PVE is made to mimic PVP more.
agreed. since im a PvEr i get frustrated when pallys get nerfed because of bursty pvp damage :p. and i bet most pvpers get frustrated when they get nerfed for pve stuff.

You forget that, for mage, GCD is directly modified by haste rating. If that was blink, consider having to let go of a movement key while pressing blink. Likely the left movement key, so he'd end up always strafing right when he went to blink. With enough practice, you can see it in-game, and take advantage of it. Things like that are a bit harder to spot than keyboard turning, but when you play the same teams in arena enough, you end up noticing it.
ye 1,0 is still limit right? thats why i said 1 to 1,5 :). from the video i'd guess his blink is 4 or something like that. i dont think that will affect his game much compared to the other factors in this game.

I had this problem when I started the game as my blink was on Q - I would always have to be strafing right in order to use it, or I'd have to reposition. Generally, buttons that you are going to press while moving should be on the mouse (mouse4/shiftmouse4/mouse5/mwheel) and any action that would be unimportant to movement should be directly around your movement keys. I have 7 different actions (14 counting shift modifiers) on my mouse.
thats the most optimal solution, yes. however its not 100% needed i believe :)

I haven't tried to change my binds in quite a while, but I remember being unable to reassign the spacebar from jump, which really made my life difficult. =(
ah the good old spacebar. hardest bind to change.

also: Comment #66

can't you just like .... challange the guy from the video? isn't it like the battle.net, where you can see everyones stats in an instant?

contact him, show him the thread. get vedic killed. record. make video. profit.

on topic: i think it's kind of amusing how Vedic got exposed as THE BIGGEST nerd on this page. lost every little bit of respect for him.

well.. he could. but its complicated

there's a few "layers" if you like

* battle group
* server

a number of servers are in a battle group and can play each other in arena and battle grounds. outside of the BG you can't. and since vedic is on some shit bg he cant. the only way he could is to make a char at tournament realm (which is only 1) and go there. however, i doubt celex would be intrested in duelling some random noob who claims to be good (theres million of those).

the accuracy of the thread title's forecast is appalling

plus worthy

strange I find it rather accurate

I heard some Q3 noobs don't even put their keyboard on the table. How retarded is that, I bet I could beat them all blindfolded in a 1vs4.

hurr

clearly. i quit a long time go but i could TOTALLY Pwn the world in duel if i wanted to. but i cant be arsed because i have to hang out at esr and look stupid

You lost this one Vedic :)

There hasn't even been a battle - this clown doesn't even know how to play WoW.

hmm i thought only clowns play wow

William Shatner plays WoW....

imagine what kind of person plays wow DUEL.

now is usually the time where he claims he was trolling the whole time.

he's out of assumptions and lies, it will come soon.

One of us has played WoW for years, and the other still doesn't know how to properly bind his skills. I can only imagine how shocked you will be when you find out how to use macros.

ahahhaha

I just realized you are proud of playing a game for years where you yourself say the biggest influence on how good you are is how your keys are bound.

and you ask why I don't /ignore

hahahahaha :D

I was wondering when someone else would notice, but it was just too much fun to let him run into his own knife :D

sry4ruin :[

Looks like you didn't ruin after all, at least I can see no impact on the "discussion"

I'm relieved.

But with his "face comment" he really was trying too hard :/
I mean we can't all be young can we?

oh my god, that's not you, is it? are you a zombie?

yes it's me and yes I am.

But do not fear, I only hunger for brains!

I guess I could have resized :)

I have several friends who play. It's more of a social thing at this point.

just replying in hope of another comment from you :D

You'll stop before I will.

certainly if you write like that from now on.
More funny "facts" kthx

Fact: your face

is it this post or the next post where you say you have a wife???

uhh, what?

actually i've played since like 6 months after release and i've done pretty good i think. and my bindings are close to where my movement keys are. i dont see how this discussion came to this though..

and again, this has nothing to do with either of us. we're talking about another guy here.

and dont play the "ive had better rating that you so im better and know better"-card because you discussed with someone clearly above your level in quake about something i cant recall at the moment. was it fox maybe? and still you claim to be right. you can't have it both ways.

but then i guess you might be too american to realize you're wrong. at least i'm not afraid to admit when i am.

Look, it's obvious that you're just another bad WoW player with a huge CS-sized ego. I see your type all too much, especially in hardcore arena players.

WoW is not fucking rocket science, just like quake. It doesn't take much skill to compete at the top (especially in 3v3), and it just so happens that the top level of arena play right now is even more piss poor than it was in S2/S3. You have zero comprehension of actually playing the game in any high level capacity.

once again you keep playing the "you suxlz lolz"-card, which is, just as i've said before, totally irrelevant. why won't you provide some solid stuff to say instead of crying your eyes out on me?

skills different, are you saying people got worse than they were in s2/s3? that's a pretty silly thing to say m8. think before you post bro

skills different, are you saying people got worse than they were in s2/s3? that's a pretty silly thing to say m8. think before you post bro

That's exactly what I'm saying. Did you not even PLAY S2/S3? S4? You really have no clue. =DDD

so you're saying with more experience people became less good? are you honestly saying that? if so i'm just gonna laugh at this whole 'discussion'

That's the thing - it's not how it happened. You have scrubs running around at the top of the brackets with FOTM groups, and early arena point spenders farming undergeared players. The general level of competition at the top of WoW has fallen, even lower than the unbalanced piece of crap it used to be.

I couldn't expect you to know this, as you obviously have never done it.

dude. i couldnt care jack shit about bracket and ratings. i'm a tournament freak.

The tournament players are a direct consequence of the arena system in game.

Defending the tournament structure itself is the only argument you can try to leverage, and even then you still have nothing.

as far as i know anyone could register for MLG for example. i dont know how intels system works.

i dont need to play anything to see how more experience gives better players. it's simple logic.

once again you're on the "you suck so you dont have any say in this". which is invalid, otherwise you would have given up in the fox-thread from the start because he is way superior to your skill in quake.

No trolling here - just plain facts. If I was a troll, you'd've learned to ignore me, so you still respect my opinion. Sucks to be you.

Why the hell would I ignore you?

I don't ignore clowns in a circus either, they are after all amusingly pathetic <3

I guess Schadenfreude really is my vice :/

Ouch, nice failure with a gradeschool insult. Try again.

poopyhead go home

Go2Sleep. Try again tomorrow morning.

Can't sleep, have to go to UPS when they open to RMA my Geforce 9800. =/

don't stop, really.

both of you just shut the fuck up and go die plz

when did he damage the laptop, I could not see it?

maybe when the camera was filming something else or when he smashed his headphones to the table.. idk :D

You can see in this one:

http://gameroom.gotfrag.com/view/fhsalsKGqQf89rSw.html

well, what would you do if your whole life just fell apart?

6000th post, in a thread about nerds. :\

rofl

It's called dramatic foreshadowing. Looks like you in for some rough times, buddy

atleast it was good :D

tack :D

he totally GG'd that banner

I bet his cancelled his account straight away.

i love wow

AND THE CROWD GOES WILDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!

who the fuck wastes money on these morons?
i feel like the whole universe turned retarded all of the sudden

i guess its because someone actually watch and follow these events...

gotta love stupidity justified through numbers

it's not that hard if you think about it


more viewers = more people who view their logos and commercials -> more customers -> more money


do i need to explain more?

stupid people are best customers

not gona reply to me now aquasharkyboy?

You're bad at trolling, too.

you're bad at spotting trolling, i'm mostly asking why he aint responding when i provide arguments.

now get off my cock, stalker.

so trolling

yeah not like any real sports professionals ever lost it.

still funny!

if he was german, i'd laugh harder tbh :'(

Yeah but they train for years and devote their lives to something, this person flipped out because he didn't tap a key as fast as somebody else (that's what he appeared to be doing, although I can't claim to be as sad knowledgeable as Vedic however.)

they train for years and devote their lives to something

Like walking or throwing things? He's a multitalent!

The way he positions his hand would be akin to lifting your hand off the mouse to left click for each shot in Quake. Unlike hitting the buttons around your movement keys to simply switch a weapon and using the mouse for the bulk of the game, those buttons are the core of how you play the game.

maybe you could be his coach or secretary?

Nah, I don't promote 3v3 in WoW.

If you are so good at this genre of game why didn't you play Guild Wars since that's where we all were enjoying real balanced competitive PvP?

I did like Guild Wars, but I mainly only play WoW to hang out with my friends. I've only gotten good by being around for so long, not really out of an enjoyment for the PVP. It's certainly possible, but I probably wouldn't put any real effort into a game unless it had some true stability like SC.

SC2 soon.

I know, and I'm excited! I've been practicing SC off and on, but I still suck. =( I've been waiting for SC2 to come out to get some more broad competition.

I'm similar. Although, losing to D on iCCup just makes me rage hard and I end back up on US East playing easy games and not learning a thing.

Same. It's a strange concept because I learned everything in Quake by playing very difficult opponents and just learning where to be and where not to be, then working on aim and strategy after that. In SC, it's not very personal, and a lot can happen that you just can't grasp without just pouring time into the game.

Yep. I'll probably play for a while, get depressed and go back to 1v3'ing my 20apm toss friends.

GW2 is on the horizon too. It would be awesome if they just released the game with prophecies skill, class balance and ruleset on a new engine in a different world. Unfortunately I doubt it will happen and expect the game to suck balls :(

is that ele? egd

good one m8

dun h8 bra

well, i miss those players in quake...

i can't even be bothered posting


oh shit :(

fucking monkey game

man i wish we had more stuff like this in the quake scene to create some dramaz.

Quake requires some level of sentient thought so it's pretty rare.

i heard some makaveli guy was pretty angry once

need more foreveraged

idd! bring back forever and makaveli in one tournament

infi playin vq3 click "TAK" on first screen
it's audio, in polish, but still i think that first 2min deliver

damn polak site crashed my browser =(

proud?

huh? of what?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1624259#pid1624259

uhh..k still not following :D

Cypher is raging. Its teh "dramaz" :D

aha!

cooller is the king of chat-rage 8)

not my trouble etc

$ lovely

The CSers have their screaming
The SC players have their poses
and now the WoW players have their overwhelming nerd-rages.

And the quakers have the god-complex.... oh wait!

"oh wait?" Meaning quakers don't have a god complex?

why complex?

KNEEL MORTAL

but ... :(




can I be halfgod maybe? :]

You could be a small god maybe, in charge of config tweaks.

couldn't I have realm I'm actually good at?

Like spamming.

Hahaha this Vedic guy cracks me up. Who's with me?

My mom says I'm super cool.

yeah he's definately an attention whore.

You have my sword.

Found a picture of Vedic!

that one has been posted before, tho I still love it ;)

there's a fitting new one from today, btw. Was kinda planning to use it on one of link's comments in this thread. But can't decide which and haven't read em all anyway.

Want to do the honors?

where is it from originally?

xkcd.com

my favorite cartoon site :)

I know, just thought it suited the thread well. :)

You could pick pretty much any post in this thread and hardly ever go wrong. I won't steal the honorary work from you though.

alright then.

I'm still amazed how he managed to make a hole in that laptop. Either it's made out of aluminum foil or he's Hulk.

Wow, that noob is using dumb key binds...

In conclusion, vedic is:

Arrogant through no accomplishments

Typical wow player that refuses to compete in only aspect of wow that is competitive, then proceed to say he is better than everyone(I'm interested in your character, armory please)

A professional mage keybinder!

Posts on esr a lot, yet plays no games commonly played by esr users(!?)

Likely overweight

UPDATE:

Apparently he is not only the best WoW player, but could be the best cs player if he felt like it!

WOW players are dumb

this is the most boring thread i haven't read in a while

i bet his hand is pretty fucked, he whacked that metal pole by the banner, u can hear the 'ting' as he gets it.

wtf was that all about???

Did anyone actually read the flamewar or did u just scroll down here like I did?

i did

lol ;P

so much arguement over such a shit, pointless, nolifer game

what game isnt pointless? lol

i know whadayourasayin but i feel wow/mmo's are pointless, as people always want more, more gear, more awards, more raid boses dead, faster pets etc

in quake i want more air rockets and tournament victories. whats the difference?

hmm this could go on forever, due to my hatred and probable bias against wow. but in wow you are.. hmm, simulating growth? development of a character, as in the development would bring something, but it doesnt lead anywhere just the 'endgame' material.

you gain respect with your peers and you have fun, just as in quake.

yes but perhaps you can feel like you never actually acomplish anything, as new stuff is always added, making it a game without an end. i know quake has no end, but once you become good or at least happy with your skill level you can progess only knowing that all you need to do is practice and work on your skills. in wow thats not the case, no matter how hard you try, you cant be content with what you have got, compared to what you can get.

this is probably why wow is addictive, and that is one of the main reasons i hate it with a passion. its a legal drug for the masses

you can accomplish stuff in wow.

you can win tournaments,
you can be on top of pvp ladders,
you can get world/server/faction firsts on PVE encounters

and most importantly: have fun with your mates.


i can understand people who dont like MMOs but it usually ends up being an argument about it costing money and having to grind stuff :)

yeah i aint gonna continue further with this mate cos i hate it so much, the whole mmo thing, and i aint good at making my point clear either. my final words on the subject - l2p n00b. xD

At least you admit that you're ignorant.

no matter how hard you try, you cant be content with what you have got, compared to what you can get.

No.