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unborn -vs- detonator and napalm3d (107 comments)

( Demo: Q3)

Posted by marcus @ 12:12 CDT, 1 September 2006 - iMsg




	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Rating: 8.8 (4 votes)

Gametype: Duel
Map: hub3aeroq3 - Aerowalk
Mod: N/A
Viewpoint: unborn
Version info: 1.32
How to play back Q3 demos

>> 45266-unborn.zip <<
(3472KB, 518 DLs)

y'all know me, always at the forefront of some q3 controversy, and always the one getting his ass handed to him... but this time, i won't make the calls. i'll let you all decide. is this guy a hacker with really good map knowledge, or is it really czm? rumor has it czm is in vegas right now, but that could just be a coverup. later on, i was told he knew a scary amount of things about czm. could be a friend with hax? or a stalker :D please give detailed replies as to how you came to your conclusion or why you feel the way that you do. i have ruled out a few hackers, but i'm not sure about anything at this point. some other points made: he wasn't able to answer a math question involving ultrono arena (czm's video game), some others said he talked way more and seemed to care way more than czm normally would.

two demos attached, one vs detonator (<3 det dont be mad!!), and one vs napalm3d. enjoy.

Edited by marcus at 12:44 CDT, 1 September 2006 - 28818 Hits

<< Comment #1 @ 12:25 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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Another hacker? You just can't catch a break can you marcy.

<< Comment #2 @ 12:42 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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marcus - Reply to #1

tis the life of a hack detective. just imagine if i was a cs'er. then i'd really go nuts. haha

<< Comment #3 @ 13:42 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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dor^ - Reply to #2

Maybe if he wasn't playing someone as useless, but nice demo's. I didn't see a hack.

<< Comment #5 @ 15:00 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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ted - Reply to #1

sup ETEP :>

<< Comment #4 @ 14:59 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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ted

oh I should add, it might not be shown in this demo, but he does claim to be czm (you probably assumed that though if you have a brain).

Edit: This is also on an NYC server. So note the ping.

Edited by cumrusky at 15:02 CDT, 1 September 2006

<< Comment #6 @ 18:04 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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unborn has a mass ip so...

just some kid.

<< Comment #7 @ 18:24 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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trepunkt

the simple fact that Illusions is saying this guy cheats makes me almost 100% sure he doesn't

also, what is this mystery cheat? at one point they say he hits too many rails, then he 'always knows where people are', then he times items too well, then his mouse is too smooth.

once these guys decide someone's cheating their brain has to justify it and they're totally blinded by it...and they don't shut up about it so anyone else speccing hops on the bandwagon.

<< Comment #17 @ 13:11 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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marcus - Reply to #7

illusions himself is a cheater. i'm almost positive that he uses an item timer; possibly a wave file that counts down 5-10 seconds before an item spawns. all he has to do is press a key whenever he or someone takes mega. the guy is too stupid in almost every aspect of q3. he has no common sense. i would be impressed if he even knew what weapons to use in the right situations. he has no clue of the game whatsoever, yet times better than any pro i have ever seen. i understand that timing is not q3, but come the fuck on.

<< Comment #51 @ 10:38 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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marshmallow - Reply to #17

Illusions isn't a time hacker. And many pro's can time better than him.

<< Comment #8 @ 20:23 CDT, 1 September 2006 >>

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we said his mouse is very irratic NOT smooth.. plz try to read the text. idk if my stuff i said was anywhere in the demos as i have no watched them but i was THERE. i'm 99.9% positive czm isnt in mass.. and all though this guy has great map knowledge of hub (yes just hub) he seemed average at best

<< Comment #9 @ 08:47 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer '

i owned this 43: - 2 on hub, hes a noob

<< Comment #98 @ 06:50 CST, 14 February 2007 >>

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mindz - Reply to #9

(h)

<< Comment #10 @ 10:01 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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outlaw

outdated

Edited by walter at 01:03 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #12 @ 11:07 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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lepow - Reply to #10

stfu cheater!

<< Comment #13 @ 11:44 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #12

never fails, a shame i have to put up with such stuff because of chance.

Edited by telnet at 11:45 CDT, 2 September 2006

<< Comment #42 @ 06:48 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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lepow - Reply to #13

smell the irony ;)

<< Comment #45 @ 09:57 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #42

the only irony here is the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

<< Comment #47 @ 10:36 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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lepow - Reply to #45

auch :(

<< Comment #70 @ 05:50 CDT, 4 September 2006 >>

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Liam - Reply to #12

Haha I knew someone was going to say that when I saw it was telnet posting :D.

<< Comment #14 @ 12:37 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #10

http://media.putfile.com/viper-71

The main reason I labelled this guy as a cheater, I recommend anyone who actually wants to see what this shot means to go on hub and try to get the same shot RIGHT after the guy exits the tele. It also requires you to get a shot on someone where you are not sure when exactly he will enter the tele (meaning you cant let whoever you are testing it go back and forth in that tele with the same time intervals.

http://media.putfile.com/viper2-slowmo

same situation in slowmo, note that the whole vid is less then one second total time.

A good player will try to aim ahead of the that tele exit (or any other actually) because the exit will throw out whoever enters them. It is possible to try getting that shot but it is such a retardedly impossible shot so why bother!! (again try it if you doubt this, as CLOSE as possible to what you see in the vid)

<< Comment #16 @ 13:03 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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marcus - Reply to #14

you and telnet are both confusing viper with unborn. i told you both, it's 2 different guys. last night i saw " v " playing in california servers with 30 ping, while unborn was playing on chicago.

<< Comment #19 @ 13:19 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #16

well this viper guy was claiming he was unborn before!
why should we forgo this coincidence happening in less then 2 weeks? Its not like there was an unborn name out there previously and all the sudden you have "viper" come up saying he is "unborn" then the "viper" name dissapears and we see"unborn" on servers. FISHY?

<< Comment #24 @ 14:47 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #19

has he ever mentioned being on the CPL list, other than as Paul Nelson.

<< Comment #25 @ 14:54 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #24

well initially it was "I am waiting to sign up because everyone will go crazy when they see my last name"
then viper and reborn somehow became two different people in the eyes of others etc and now "unborn" says he is on it as czm

Edited by b|d-Raistlin at 17:38 CDT, 2 September 2006

<< Comment #21 @ 13:41 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #16

outdated

Edited by walter at 01:04 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #39 @ 17:39 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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marcus - Reply to #21

could still be 2 people, friends, etc. but how do you explain v on one server and unborn another?

<< Comment #40 @ 17:41 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #39

outdated

Edited by walter at 01:03 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #43 @ 07:01 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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marcus - Reply to #40

how can someone who pings 15 to nyc also ping 30 to cal? also.. i have not seen the same unborn we've been seeing the past 3 nights claim to be viper. the unborn you've seen is probably viper, since you are only online in the day time.

Edited by marcus at 07:32 CDT, 3 September 2006

<< Comment #67 @ 01:10 CDT, 4 September 2006 >>

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wrl - Reply to #43

the "v" you see on california servers is *****. different guy altogether.

for fuck's sake, learn to use guid's....and common sense.

Edited by will at 14:20 CDT, 5 September 2006

<< Comment #74 @ 11:51 CDT, 5 September 2006 >>

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marcus - Reply to #67

unborn only plays on ggl servers so we can't get guid. this is what v's guid shows:

whatsername 14 10/7/2005
ihateseattle 2 8/27/2005

<< Comment #20 @ 13:21 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #14

note he starts moving away before he takes the shot, which could mean it was simply an evasive prediction rail, but more likely its WH n aimbot

<< Comment #26 @ 14:55 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #20

hit that evasive prediction rail like he does and i will shake your hand! :P

Edited by b|d-Raistlin at 14:57 CDT, 2 September 2006

<< Comment #29 @ 15:02 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #26

if he hits it everytime, then sure smtg is up, but if u just choose one time when he hits it and showcase that one time as an example of hax i think its a bit harsh. also in the demo above, he does get surprised occasionally, with the enemy getting bhind his back etc.

dnt bother trying to argue back since i agree with u and am simply playing the devils advocate

<< Comment #30 @ 15:05 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #29

no I know you are right, again this video was like the final touch after a week of playing and putting up with an insanely consistent, crazy flick rail. Also with the guy rushing everywhere without EVER getting surprised.
the thing is, the shot can happen ofcourse. But the problem is with not looking ahead to get a defensive +back rail shot in ad instead looking right at the tele exit and hitting the shot before the teleport haze has even dissipated. I am not arguing with you either, just elobarating further on why its a good thing to actually try to get that shot and see why exactly it is so... unfeasible.

<< Comment #31 @ 15:17 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #30

i kno precisely what u mean, cos even with it slowed down to fuck, it looks like he misses his rail, but thats cos he hits him straight away.

it really does seem like an open and shut case of hax with this guy

<< Comment #50 @ 10:38 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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marshmallow - Reply to #30

He didn't see the guy come out of tele, he just waited .5 sec then shot, he was probably expecting to miss, but instead the guy came out just in time for a facial.

<< Comment #53 @ 10:42 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #50

First problem, why?
second problem, the reason I ask people to do the shot is because you will miss the shot every time because in the time your finger actually presses the button the small window has already passed!

<< Comment #22 @ 14:08 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #14

don't think that's a cheat, just a well timed shot. a defensive/predict shot that is.

<< Comment #27 @ 14:56 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #22

refer to #26

god what is it with people who never get the big picture, thats why I ask people to try the shot if they have doubts. Go ahead!

Edited by b|d-Raistlin at 14:56 CDT, 2 September 2006

<< Comment #33 @ 16:39 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #27

in case you haven't noticed... he has his rail pointed at the damn upper teleport because he saw this guy was about to go in downstairs. it's called *PREDICTION* .jeez .
if you look at the movie - he notices the guy moving around the lower tele, points his rail towards the upper tele, and then half a second before he shoots, he sees the guy entering and just times the shot. he does this *all the time*.

btw, go download a bot and try to look that good. yeah, thought so..

<< Comment #34 @ 17:07 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #33

... TRY TO GET THAT SHOT, PREFERABLY IN A MATCH TOO

god, i keep telling to actually try the shot but do you listen? no
I sure hope you have ANY sort of solid knowledge about this game if you really think that is a normal thing to do, especially on hub

<< Comment #35 @ 17:14 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #34

dude, try to do a Cetus-style defrag run. go ahead! take your buddies with you, do team work. try it for a day, two, a week! still no luck? bummer.

<< Comment #38 @ 17:26 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #35

best comparison EVER

<< Comment #49 @ 10:38 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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marshmallow - Reply to #34

CZM did a shot like that aswell, but it was on a guy going to yellow armor on hub, he didn't see him, but just shot a prediction rail to the right of ya near the pillar, after timing the other player. It was in a short movie also... but i forget who did it.

<< Comment #54 @ 10:43 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #49

well atleast the other guy was doing something predictable crammed in a small space and czm or anyone for that matter had the same visual "resources" to predict. I think these two different positions are very different but Ido see where you are going.

<< Comment #102 @ 11:48 CDT, 15 April 2010 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #34

spartie used to hit that all the time only 2 years later ;)

<< Comment #36 @ 17:16 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #33

outdated

Edited by walter at 01:04 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #37 @ 17:25 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #36

demo?

<< Comment #23 @ 14:27 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #14

just watched the demo. this guy is no cheater you fucking noobs.
he's just a allround great player. there is not a single shot there that's questionable. why? because unlike napalm his overal aim is in sync with his movement, control and prediction. note that he makes exactly the same moves when he misses as he does when he hits his shots. and he does it with all weapons, not just hitpoint. + he's got awsome map control and great movement. so why the fuck would you call him a cheater?

<< Comment #28 @ 14:56 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #23

his LG does kind of lock on tho, i wouldnt be surprised if it was an aim helper like with napalm

<< Comment #32 @ 16:29 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #28

i watched his lg in slow mo. it's not locked on, he just corrects it very precisely + he has very good reflexes. besides, what's so strange about a world class player owning some random noob 50+ on aero?

<< Comment #65 @ 22:46 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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Anonymous (71-212-147-56.hlrn.qwest.net) - Reply to #14

Looks like a VERY VERY lucky prediction shot, more so then an autoshooter. If you can show a demo of him making that kind of shot more then 1 time then I'll agree he's a bot.

<< Comment #18 @ 13:13 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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marcus - Reply to #10

refer to #16

<< Comment #11 @ 10:48 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer '

just watched the demos, and his shaft is mental at times, his knowledge of the map is pretty damn good too.

dunno if czm would use such a gay bind tho, it looks like the kind of thing a 15 yr old would use, not a princeton grad.

<< Comment #15 @ 12:51 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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hkrep

thanks for my daily dose of drama, missed it after I stopped playing WoW

<< Comment #41 @ 19:19 CDT, 2 September 2006 >>

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Of course if it WAS the real czm he would be able to hit that railshot np because hes THAT amazing, only czm could react in 1/50th of a second.

Oh wait, no one can. My bad.

<< Comment #44 @ 08:16 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #41

If you weren't such a tool, you'd know a difference between pure reaction shot (min time 100ms between shot and spotting the target) and a prediction shot that happens to hit its target which may just be 0ms. And he makes that ONE shot. Is it so hard to belive?

<< Comment #46 @ 10:03 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #41

Yeah, CZM is also so amazing that he can be in Las Vegas and in Massachusetts playing Q3 at the SAME TIME. RAWR!

<< Comment #48 @ 10:38 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #46

whats he doing play Q3 in vegas...

<< Comment #52 @ 10:40 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #48

That is another thing that did not fit at all.. Yes we like q3 but I dont see any of us playing at vegas when they go there for several days!

<< Comment #58 @ 11:56 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #52

Damn. All I have to say is if Paul is pinging 15 from Vegas, I am moving to Nevada to get my hands on one of these super connections. (Sweden, eat your heart out.)

<< Comment #68 @ 01:27 CDT, 4 September 2006 >>

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wrl - Reply to #52

untruths, nomadic lives in vegas and brings players out for lans regularly.

<< Comment #69 @ 01:58 CDT, 4 September 2006 >>

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Raist - Reply to #68

ah i see!

<< Comment #103 @ 12:47 CDT, 18 April 2010 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #41

:D nice going there buddy

<< Comment #55 @ 10:47 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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his lg is suspicious ... partly aimbot
im almost sure he cheats

the demo against baltz ... 7:35
baltz has a short lag or something ... and his lg act strangely
edith: hm watched it in slomo and it looks normal ... :confused:
anyway ... you cant be 100% sure ...

Edited by arachno1d at 10:52 CDT, 3 September 2006

<< Comment #56 @ 10:48 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer '

and how the hell do u kno hes there. i would be creeped out by all this

<< Comment #59 @ 11:57 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #56

huh?

<< Comment #60 @ 13:48 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #59

in vegas, how do u guys kno hes there...

<< Comment #57 @ 10:53 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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xgo

got to love q3, 12 spec arguing if its czm or not =)
i think he didnt cheat -> unborn =)

Edited by xgo at 11:19 CDT, 3 September 2006

<< Comment #61 @ 13:51 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #57

hehe yeh, that was quite funny.

btw who is the 519 guy that joins a little later and asks to play him next? not asking u directly, but any1 that knos

<< Comment #62 @ 19:17 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #61

I think it was cl0ck?

<< Comment #63 @ 19:31 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #62

did he get beat???

<< Comment #64 @ 19:57 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #61

probably destrukt. he beat dkt twice a couple nights ago.

<< Comment #66 @ 22:46 CDT, 3 September 2006 >>

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Anonymous (71-212-147-56.hlrn.qwest.net)

To me doesn't look like he cheats. If anything is suspicious it's the lg, not the rail imo. It could be czm training it up for the tournament =D I don't think just an autoshooter would be enough to beat up on the likes of dkt or carnage. He has good item timing, good movement, good prediction shots..

<< Comment #71 @ 06:44 CDT, 4 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #66

prediciton shots aint hard with a wallhack....

<< Comment #72 @ 18:16 CDT, 4 September 2006 >>

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Anonymous (71-212-147-56.hlrn.qwest.net) - Reply to #71

he shoots/moves based on sound as far as I can tell. A lot of spam, lot of shooting at teleporters. I thought pbscreen captures worked for catching those. I've seen a lot of screens at speakeasy servers from when they ban for wallhacks that show this.

this to me sounds like accusations exactly as walter had to answer to regarding chance. a lot of speculations with no definite proof.

<< Comment #73 @ 03:16 CDT, 5 September 2006 >>

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stunt.us

ill stop hacking now guys :(

I only did it when i was in vegas because i knew id have a diff ip :(

<< Comment #75 @ 17:35 CDT, 5 September 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #73

o_0

<< Comment #76 @ 18:21 CDT, 5 September 2006 >>

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Snoisulli's comments during the two demos are the best part about these.

<< Comment #77 @ 13:36 CDT, 10 September 2006 >>

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Anonymous (cpe-69-202-136-161.twcny.res.rr.com)

it was czm btw.. just thought id tell everyone.. and its good to see the usual idiots, raistlin/telnet aka walter accusing every player they can get their hands on.. lol@you.

<< Comment #78 @ 17:41 CDT, 11 September 2006 >>

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linoleuM

wow you guys are out of your fucking minds

i just watched the demos and there's no way in hell that this is a cheater... if you ask me, that was czm beating the shit out of two fucking outrageously average players...

go watch czm vs cooller at ESWC on hub... he gave him an even worse beating than that

<< Comment #79 @ 09:13 CDT, 14 September 2006 >>

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d0ku

i think thats czm :o

<< Comment #80 @ 21:51 CDT, 17 September 2006 >>

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Ive just watched this as well and havent seen anything that made me think bot. First of his ping is sick for internet like 17. Second his map knowledge was awesome. He predicted location well. His aim was very good but did not appear to track like most the haxors ive seen.
Could be CZM cause his mouse movment looked same. CZM has that low pitch setting so his up and down moves are smooth and slower. His left rights look a bit more twitch which is typical of that kind of setup.
Cant say about the other maps you played but these 2 demos look legit. Det just got man handled. Lord balthazar put up a bit of a fight and made him work more. Balthazars aim was better than detanators it appeared and it made this guys aim a little less confident to me as I watched the demos.
My 37 and a half cents on this subject

<< Comment #81 @ 21:41 CST, 23 December 2006 >>

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cumrag

^

<< Comment #82 @ 21:50 CST, 23 December 2006 >>

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ahh, yes... this was fun

<< Comment #83 @ 22:35 CST, 23 December 2006 >>

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fern

czm admitted to being unborn in that interview on gotfrag so hah

<< Comment #84 @ 00:00 CST, 24 December 2006 >>

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Aaron

ahahah

<< Comment #85 @ 00:45 CST, 24 December 2006 >>

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Aaron

ahah just watched the demos, them specs were pretty deluded

<< Comment #86 @ 13:44 CST, 9 January 2007 >>

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Anonymous (bngr-208-111-221-64-pppoe.dsl.bngr.epix.net)

ROFL at all you n00bs.

Calling czm a cheater.

lmfao

<< Comment #92 @ 02:51 CST, 16 January 2007 >>

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boriz - Reply to #86

well it's pretty normal.
in the days that i played q3ca a lot (and ppl knew me), it happened several times that i was accused of cheating while aliased. When i put on my real nick, they'd say "ow its you!".

So ppl have a tendency to accuse ppl of cheating when they don't recognize the nickname.

<< Comment #87 @ 03:02 CST, 11 January 2007 >>

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tNaCarN

BAAHAHAHA

<< Comment #88 @ 16:28 CST, 15 January 2007 >>

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zpnq

i watched the demos and some of the shots were questionable...but he wasnt consistently making insane shots. The player was very smart with good timing.

CZM could easily do what was done in these demos, If you watch demos of czm he spam rails where he thinks the guys are going to be ALOT.

Edited by zpnq at 18:05 CST, 15 January 2007

<< Comment #90 @ 00:16 CST, 16 January 2007 >>

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ashr - Reply to #88

unborn = czm. he said that in his gotfrag interview.

<< Comment #89 @ 17:16 CST, 15 January 2007 >>

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PreD|ru

:DDDD nice compliment for CZM to be suspected as a cheater .

czm = unborn

http://www.gotfrag.com/quake/story/35950/

<< Comment #91 @ 01:23 CST, 16 January 2007 >>

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[mash]

so, can somebody post a new link to these vid's mentioned by raistlin ? his are broken ...

<< Comment #93 @ 08:08 CST, 16 January 2007 >>

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langley

N1 raistlin ;)

<< Comment #94 @ 12:23 CST, 25 January 2007 >>

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Liam - Reply to #93

I've only taken a quick glance but from what I can see, Raistlin's posts were based on the assumption that this person was viper, who he posted the video of, he stated he didn't know this for sure but viper had been saying he was unborn. I still think the video he posted was ridiculous personally.

Ignore this if czm was unborn AND viper and I'm just confused.

<< Comment #95 @ 18:38 CST, 29 January 2007 >>

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #94

czm is unborn.

<< Comment #96 @ 06:20 CST, 14 February 2007 >>

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Liam - Reply to #95

Yeah I know, but the video Raistlin posted was of viper, that's what I mean, Raistlin thought viper=unborn because he claimed to be.

<< Comment #97 @ 06:26 CST, 14 February 2007 >>

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #96

hes twat

<< Comment #99 @ 06:53 CST, 14 February 2007 >>

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mindz

unboRn played @ cpl, he is cz. i can know, cause i know everuthing

<< Comment #100 @ 19:25 CST, 14 February 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #99

Will you let Jamerio use your keyboard, please.

<< Comment #104 @ 13:19 CDT, 18 April 2010 >>

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dadS - Reply to #100

well that was a weird reply.

<< Comment #101 @ 10:49 CDT, 15 April 2010 >>

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retire

hard to believe 2006 was 4 years ago. bump -.-

<< Comment #106 @ 16:42 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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Something - Reply to #101

Hard to believe 2010 was 4 years ago. bump -.-

<< Comment #107 @ 17:40 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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Tebeg - Reply to #106

Hard to believe you posted this yesterday :(

<< Comment #105 @ 02:57 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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Gobotz

Good read. Lol. reminds me of QL.

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