ooooooo =)

pretty fooking nice !
reminds me of all the best bits of ztn, t4 and pro-q3dm6 :D

i like it!

ill bring up the idea again....

why not have an invite tourney using a selection of 3-4 custom maps with the map pool being released a few weeks before the tourney.

even if it didnt take off, it would still generate some exciting games and something a bit different.

exactleh

This map smells ztn...

soz guys, anyone who downloaded it before i made this post, please download again. we had to add a .arena file which means ppl can find the map in the menu system if they don't like typing it in in the console.

for anyone who's unsure... unzip ne_duel.pk3 to /baseq3 and load q3. then type /map ne_duel in the console to check it out.

keep the comments coming :)

Here's some feedback: It feels bigger than pdm6, without the openness that we like about pdm6. With all that health and the time required to cross the map, it promotes running away after a small lead. My first reaction was that it was too big for a duel map. You really have to run to get the next mega in time ;)

The 'canyon' connecting the mega room jumppad and the rocket room jumppad has too high walls, giving rail campers up top a much too great advantage. Railing down is all too easy, compared to someone trying for the LG and getting that tight angle right to rail any part of the camper that's sticking out. And other weapons... forget it, can't even throw a grenade up. pdm6 has a middle level, so you can use rail/rocket/shaft/grenade.

I like the guards on the jumppads but I wonder if it wouldn't be easy to just keep bouncing in the jumppad until the mega appears... if the enemy tries for the jumppad or tele you just take the mega and fight it out or split. Maybe putting the tele target at LG ammo would solve it, dunno.

Also, there are no strong weapons to defend the mega in the mega room. The rail is on the floor where you're exposed and have a too steep angle to rail the mega taker, and the tele spawn is a little too far away from the mega to stop someone from taking it by going that way. The rocket is also a little bit too far off. Liked the pt4-like "angle" for the rail when you come from the tele tho.

The rocket room: it seems you can take the rocket with little or no risk, unlike on pdm6. (One idea to make it more interesting might be to make it impossible to pass the door without opening it. You could then lower the shelf under the plumming next to the door so that if you strafejump over the shelf, you don't trigger the door. If a great player gets careless he may then open himself up to a nice rail ! :>)

All the ammo packs are on the top level. Gives the possibility of "owning from above", the characteristic that makes pdm6 unbalanced. My suggestion is to relocate rail and shaft ammo to the floor, making a jumppad camper have to go down occasionally, even if he's armored up.

Maybe squeezing the map together from above, opening it up more, moving the weapons (or indeed ammo packs!)closer to the big items, and relocating some ammo packs will transform it into something magical!

About the graphics:

I liked the item "holder" a lot (idea: different holders for weapons vs health would make it easier to learn?) I played it with my nice demo-cfg, and had no fps-problems, so gj there. The only graphical letdown I thought was the door, which looked very cheesy to me. And perhaps twice the resolution on the concrete walls, which looked CS'ey (low res and discoloured in places).

The last thing which is probably very easy to fix is that it's very hard to read the credits on the map load snapshot. :)



These are all my personal opinions, and tbh I probably would have had just as many "nit-picking items" for say, pdm6 if id had released it just now... :) It's obviously a well-constructed map, although I guess we all would love to have a squad of elite players around for testing, while constructing :P

"You really have to run to get the next mega in time ;)"

I pld it for hours and im always in time , ez


"I like the guards on the jumppads but I wonder if it wouldn't be easy to just keep bouncing in the jumppad until the mega appears.."


plz?

Those were my first impressions, as described. I'm just shooting ideas here :) What I meant was, someone staying behind those guards has a very strong position to camp the mega. It's not much you can do on the floor to stop him, him having the RL just 3 jumps away and 4 seconds via a completely secure path to the mega.

After playing it some, it seems you rarely spend much time on the floor anyway, so... If you know the curved corridors well and can traverse the mixed steep/shallow stairs with skill, you can get around the map in no time.

A 'rocket hogger' should be able to dominate this map pretty well. I really liked the way you can save 5hp damage by sliding down to the floor. Apart from those points, second impressions were that it's a nice map, although the textures on the door and curved walls look hideous to me - but I play with nice graphics, picmippers couldn't tell the difference of course.

What really matters is whether the map is widely accepted and stands the test of time :)

seems nice - maybe should be tested in next eso type tourney then we can hope theres more big lan tournaments for it, if its ok :|

great map

omg, a new map.... which ppl may actually play \o/

dream comes true :>

skint, great idea¨!

Hey this map is really good to be honest, it's a bit like ztn. At least the open area with the GL platform and rail below with a teleporter.

Nice :)

GL area ?
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/o/

yeah?

yeah !
no h8 !

woot

23 months?

I'm guessing it's their combined efforts... Still over 7½ month is a decent amount of time spent on a map. It's enough to get me to at least try out the map.

havent seen it yet but theres been no "dont like it" comments what-so-ever!!!

:D

the same Akuma that made some maps for UT?

No, sorry ;) .. but try it anyway ;D

that's a whole lot of coincidence, two mappers both named Akuma :f

Indeed ;D

2 bad eh quixy :[

:]

Nope we started the map in late august 2001. Firstly it was just me and Equim working on the map then about 8 months in we got Akuma to come and texture and light the map (since then he's done loads more stuff as well).

Obviously we've not worked on the map everyday during that period but on about half of them id say. Sometimes spending whole days working on the map.

We've got some guys playing on the map on our server atm. Thx gepetto, lekker, etc.. should be some more demos up on the site soon.

checking it out now

Played this ages ago on cpma, against u verb infact :) Tis a decent map, but like u shud up ur subdivisions b4 u take screenies.

good job verb akum equim i hope this map will bring something new in q3 gameplay. tbh i think its more a cpm1a remake then ztn because of its quite small and close and theres only 2 ya.

i think the power of the player that controls the map is much lower so there will have less if22 style of play on it.

yes my english sux but im tired :/

cpm1a is WAY smaller than this map dude...

I do think that the ya's are a bit too close to eachother. I haven't played it yet tho..

really great map tbh :]

im sure it will be a great map but before i got load it up I'd like to ask why the addition of the word 'pro' of map...

pro gaming
esports
etc

i think its getting pretty gay :/

the "pro" means that this map is actually playable @ a competetive level by serious players, k ?
at least i think so ^^

Or it may have sth to do with the 15 s respawn of weapons? ;)

It's on PlanetQuake3.net's server now.. 207.44.200.39:27965 (ne_duel) enjoy!

there any euro servers around? :/

pinging 999 to us

nice map! plays well and some nice tricks in it

Hellspawn the 'pro' in the topic is a 'in' joke but i won't go into that now cos i don't want to start a flame war ;)

I think the map should get renamed to pro-ne or something. Its a good map and I think it will be hard to intergrate it into the community. Tournament needs to be done with pro-t7 and pro-ne in them so the community starts to play and accept the maps.

Had a quick game on it just now, seems great.

Kind of reminded me of a q2 map, think it was called "hammered" or somthing like that.

Anyway, nice job.

To compare to any other map i wld defo say hub. Has the same YA jump thats in hub, 2 ya etc etc blah etc

Jubei it doesn't have that YA room in it anymore, we scrapped that many months ago :)

I might put a picture of it up, it was a damn nice room but it slowed the flow of the map a little too much. was heartbreaking to axe it :`(

now that we have new cool map pro-q3tourney7 , this one should be named pro-q3tourney8. i think that name contains authority in it.

You definitely have a winnning map if it reminds everyone else of their favorite map, whatever it happens to be.

AsNagrim :o blast from the past!

thanks for all the positive feedback guys. what we really need is to get the map onto as many servers as possible. if anyone can help in any way with this then please contact us.

#cess on quakenet or email: [email protected]

right... thx for the feedback. We've had good players playing on the map all night so far. No negative comments as yet.

The map is actually around half the size of pro-dm6 and the key thing about the supposed advantage of the highground is that every high area that is worth holding is susceptible to ceiling dmg (ie. you can fire rockets at the ceiling above the higher player.)

Id always recommend ppl play the map a few times before making lenghty comments as everything is perhaps not as it first seems.

the MH holder is present under all the weaps too btw :)

as for the lvlshot... q3 applies a filter to all lvlshots which makes them fuzzy. this is unavoidable.

Best thing to see how ppl play the map is to download some demos. I'll put some in the topic shortly. Prodx v Lekker (OT!) and z3on vs Prodx.

It doesn't make the levelshots fuzzy, it adds a detail texture to it (the only detail texture being used in q3a). maybe using r_detailtextures 0 can help :)

I already had r_detailtextures 0.

"Id always recommend ppl play the map a few times before making lenghty comments as everything is perhaps not as it first seems." I gotta agree, i had some gripes after first games but after a couple more I like it the way it is =)

Highground... ok, but it would take a lot of rockets to kill someone who gets about 2 megas / minute ;) (I counted 16 for 100/150 at mega, and 16 for rocket with 100/100) And why then put the rocket and 2 rocket ammo packs up high? Maybe gameplay on ne_duel involves spending as little time as possible on the floor tho, dunno. Awaiting demo...

Holder.. I suggested a small idea, see the updated feedback.

Lvlshot... a bigger/clearer font would do it?

This map r0x0r my b0x0r!

I think the respawn times are great, and it plays tight while still being big enough to run away if necessary.

The armors are a bit close to each other, imo, and might be a bit unfair to the disadvantaged player. That being said, don't be disadvantaged and you won't have to suffer through this problem.

Nice contours to the map, with fast parts and sneaky parts.

I GIVE THIS FUCKIN SLUT 4.5 ROCKETS OUT OF A POSSIBLE 5!

We've done the playtesting and we're no longer prepared to make any changes to the map. We're also very happy with how it has turned out.

oooh. That's almost a full 5 hours of gathering 'feedback' ;)

we're no longer prepared to make any changes to the map

There should always be room to amend

Indeed, a map is never truly finished ;o

It'd be nice to hear what some of the pro players think of it..

Looking forward to own you up on this one HolyFather :P

great effort :)

rofl i dint know this was gonna be posted!
Ah fuck it, :). Good map, I just need to spam other shit instead of gl at z3on.

:D

/prodx

Very nice, well done :]]

well , I pld it online on the cess server with some l33t people and its realy a great map

it has lots of tactics in , lots of possible nice shots etc etc ..

so play it ONLINE first vs a good smart nmy and u will see this map fucking HAS to be in official tourneys :)

best map release after the id pro-q3maps releases

cool better map than pro-q3tourney7

it owns p-t7 fs :))

every map owns p-t7

uhhh..... didn't I play this a long time ago?

I downloaded the map and tried it out myself firsthand, it seemed like an okay map but I wasn't sure how it would play out with good players on it. I downloaded the demos and was reassured!

prodx vs Lekker is very nice OT game on this map - it seems as though prodx is not too familiar with the map at the start but he learns important points quickly and shows us some skill. z3on plays the map very fiercely and gives us an idea of what an aggressive player can do on this map.

I'd like to see some pro players spend time on this one and see a demo after they've learned it well and know a few tricks, I think this could be a very nice duel map. ;) Great job, guys! Thanks for the demos, they help a lot!

hehe, dude, was my first time:).
I'll upload a demo when i actually know the map. Thanks for feedback.

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nice one verb

i think it's a very good map, excellent design and seems like it's rather balanced... but, personally, i really like maps where you can get some speed and it's quite hard on this map but oh well :p


and as always you can dominate the map with rl/rail but it's a lot easier now that the map is so narrow and the open areas are big enough to make shaft seem useless, at least to me

don't get me wrong its a very, very good map just that i have some personal preferences :)

I have added the map to Daily Rush's duel servers: tourney.quake3.dk:27960-27965. Enjoy.

Hmm, can't callvote it on 27961 - 27965 :/

Thanks though :)

Just callvote another map first, its probably be cause nobody have changed map on the servers yet, and OSP have therefor not updated its map list on those servers.

I see :)

first thing that came to mind when loading the demo was 'hey its hub3aero3' (or whatever that old qw map is called exactly).

probably just me though :p

I'm just wondering how ztn first became an accepted duel-map? As far as I know it's the only regularly used tourney-map that has never been released as part of a point release or mod (such as the osp and cpma-maps).

Ztn was a qw map, it was tried and tested there where people actually bothered to give custom maps a go :)

ztn was never that good in qw though :/

afir, the acceptence of ztn maps on the competitive level started with q2 ztn

I liked the little 'fences' in the earlier versions.. u could doublejump to mh from across the room like that..
but they're gone :(

other than that i like it :)

Verb: allo, long time :)

This map does seem familar, it kinda feels a lot like some of the ut2003 map(s)...?

failing that i get the feeling this might be better suited for cpma, i might try and give it a go (ill try and catch u on irc tonight verb) but it doesnt seem to compare to the current maps imo, sorry.

p.s Im not really playing q3 again, honest xD

i dosn't have a line to my comp where i play q3 right now so i can't download the map. could some make some screenshots? :)

There are several screenshots available here: http://www.planetquake.com/equim/ne/ for your viewing pleasure :)

And, I've also just uploaded these: (1024x768, ~120kb each)
Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image, Image.

ooooooooo

ahh great :]

nice map, rotten colors :>

:( It was pretty difficult to find an apt texture set for NE, I'm very happy with how it looks. Although I would have liked a little more detail/varied textures ;)

i like the colors :\

It's a new map, not a rebuild of ztn, dm6 ...
Serveradmins : upload this map on your servers

I,m biased, but I love the map and think its well balanced.
Well done guys.

i would love to see some new maps in the q3 tourneys :)

Great work, Equim, Verb and Akuma. Great to see a custom map getting some acceptation, let's hope this map is played on tournaments so we can see some fresh stuff in q3.

acceptation? oO

aceptance, sorry I'm not english...

acceptance...

not yet up on playable servers for me so i tried it vs. a bot this morning and it feels right.

My advice is not to release another version, you've got the hype up and posts on all the major websites, majority of ppl have already downloaded it and it might only split the fanbase between the "original" version and an "improved" one if you do.

100+ comments on ESR and none really negative, you dont need another version - next step is to get it onto as many servers as possible.


I will definitely be looking into a OGi/ESo style tournament featuring new custom maps but the real hurdle in the way is to find equal servers around europe that do have the maps.

"My advice is not to release another version, you've got the hype up and posts on all the major websites, majority of ppl have already downloaded it and it might only split the fanbase between the "original" version and an "improved" one if you do."

I don't think theres any question of another version tbh.

"100+ comments on ESR and none really negative, you dont need another version - next step is to get it onto as many servers as possible."

Yeh, we're trying :)

Thanks for your input :D

we need to get the map on more servers, anyone with any suggestions please reply!

thx again for the good vibes everyone :)

talk to a|citizen,
he's the admin for the speakeasy servers. and he is a really cool guy. With this many ppl hyped a bout the map I dont see why he couldnt get it on both osp and cpma speakeasy servers.

you can find him in irc/etg in #abuse

yeh i spoke to citizen yesterday.. are you the 'cold' that used to be on the q3w forums?

verb = Ctrl.Del

lol actualy I am(and still am..)
:)

in the description you say that it´s also a 2on2 map.but where´s the quad then? :/
i´m pretty sure that this map would be a very good 2on2 map

please make a 2on2 version with quad damage/red armor :D

there are item changes when you switch to TDM mode for 2v2. We decided against a quad because the map is already small for a 2v2 map and with the quad you could rack up too many quick spawn kills.

Verb try concentrating getting all the major server people to put it on their server so people play the map more often. Again I think renaming it to something like pro-ne will make a difference in the sense that people will think it isn't some third party map made for fun..its a map that is played by pro's :P

i suggest for everyone just writing an e-mail to the admin of your server of choice :) like i did today and the map is already up on a local server :D

the map is btw great, played 3 games and i really like it so far

I asked several (german) server admins and clans to add the map to their server maplists, and so far the feedback was positive.

So keep hitting refresh in ASE, I hope there will be some ne_duel servers in .de soon.

i played this twice last night, and the first game was the lowest scoring 1v1 ive ever played in... 2-0... i can see this, at a pro level, becoming even worse then ztn for running away :)

generally though, after playing vs sum1 my impression is improved but for this to be the final version i feel its maybe slightly flawed... thats not to say it wont be used tho!

How many games have you played on NE so far then...? :)

I worked on it for months and I've played many games on it, but I wouldn't say I play it as well as I do ztn3 .. yet ;o

as i said, 2 vs someone. a couple vs bots to learn the map.

I'll play you thursday night, ill try and catch u in irc.

You'd be better playing someone else tbh, I'm not a good player :/

it's that way on every map if both players don't know the map quite well. as you just run around randomly and you cannot try to catch the other player (cos you dunno where to run to :x) so there are mostly only accidently incidences. and the 'cheaper' player can hide easily... in my first game i run almost always the same paths so if your opponent stays on some diff route you won't find him :D

This could be a next tournament map together with the new Pro-Q3Tourney7 from id.

http://vaneeken.op.het.net/

a funny ne_duel jump :]

kinda useless but hey, arent most jumps?

Hehe, yeh. It's been one of the favourites for new players on NE to try out :)

I'm wondering if it's possible to do a "walk-off" from the SG->GL ledge.. ;o (I know it's easy from MH->GL ;))

can't i guess. the physics do not allow you to run faster?

maybe its possible from the jumppad and then bounce on the edge.

cpma suggelh eH eH eH e He

Think looks great for CPMA moves...

Bth, I don't play pro-mode, but at least play this babe on LAN with friends...

VQ3 -> Great Great Great w00t-w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woot woot woot!

the site for NE has been updated.

http://www.verb.dsl.pipex.com/ne

thanks Akuma :D

If only every good level from LvL got posted on ESR... There is a couple of good levels there which are forsaken.

Yeh, seems like the top players aren't too keen on learning new maps though :/

Would be nice to see some new maps in the top tourneys though, would bring a little spice back into Q3 :D