supposed to read
- xerp -1/0 allowed, 1 banned
- xerp -1/0 allowed, 1 banned with tweaked weapons
- xerp -1/0/1 allowed
- xerp -1/0/1 allowed with tweaked weapons
- Lets all switch to CQ3!

wasnt enough room

stupid options because 4=5 and both include 3. actually we must sum 3, 4 and 5 votes

indeed, YET ANOTHER FUCKED POLL

jeez
just make it

xerp 1 allowed
xerp 1 banned
xerp 1 banned and tweaks

or even better have 2 polls:

xerp 1 allowed or banned and
tweak hitscan or not

i didnt chose the options they were requested

4 and 5 aren't the same. CQ3 changes more than just tweaking the weapons slightly.

As for both including three, I'm sure it's not a difficult task to learn how to add up three numbers.

:D
?

omgwtf? xD

xerp -1/0 allowed, 1 banned with tweaked weapons

i think xerp 1 should be allowed.The problem is when you mix xerp 1 with negative nudge. Make xerp 1 only work with cg_nudge 0 imo ;)

utterly fucking hilarious

i dont get it :D

Hopefully, I can count on the stubborn nature of the promode team to keep it in, despite the overwhelming idiocy to ban it.

This will develop into yet another 4chan thread.

Not many 12 year olds on ESR

I need mah xerps becuz dem digitaltvz over copparlines leaves me with fewkin interleavin' connections lol haehahe 8----DDD

wow. VQ3 players/fanbois crying again. wtg ppl.

cpm'er?

not rly.

epic whine.

"to see where the majority of VQ3ers want to go."

too bad we cant keep the cpm'ers from voting.

CQ3 frankly

after 9 years, hitscan needs a nerf!

Glad you agree!

you cunning fox you

CQ3, obviously.. 80 rail damage, no lockdown when hit with hitscan, sg pattern, a bit nerfed shaft? ..i'd like to see a complete list, but it has so much of what vq3 needs but will never get :b


edit: 10 dmg per lightning cell is a bit much tho, 6 would probably be ideal.. up for discussion tho, and the good thing is: cq3 can be perfected with continuous balancing along the way, unlike vq3 which is too 'sacred' to touch :p

Am I wrong, or CQ3 works only with servers without pb? That being said how can we switch to it if almost 85-90% servers are pb secured? Admins won't disable them, that's for sure.

You're thinking CNQ3. CQ3 was a modified gametype that has been in CPMA for a long time.

Ah so ;-)

omfg cq3 cnq3 cnx3gq3 what the fuck happened, i wasnt home for 2 weeks?

CPMA - a mod for q3.
CPM/VQ3/CQ3 - gameplays included in the modification(CPMA).
CNQ3 - a q3 client developped by the CPMA team.

swear to god I typed CPMA. =(

BLUS

By the way according to the change logs the rail is 100 damage up close to 80 damage at LG length and onward.

Notes for version 1.44 (19 Dec 07)
chg: CQ3 2K8 :P settings - a "better VQ3" without culture shock

VQ3 physics, plus rampjumps.
PM2 spawnsystem; lava/slime damage; item height; water speed; and LG and BFG settings.
RG damage scaling from 100 at point-blank down to 75 (linearly) at 768 units distance (LG range) and beyond.
Ammo limits: MG/LG 150, SG/GL/RL/RG/BFG 25, PG 200.
Smaller ammoboxes: MG 25, SG 5, LG 50.
No "cripple" effect for MG/PG/LG.

Notes for version 1.45 (18 Feb 08)
chg: CQ3 pg/sg ammobox
chg: CQ3 RG scaling from 100 to 80
chg: CQ3 hitsound from CPM

Thx for the info

I'm sure there are some other changes too.

Definitely, and I'm pretty confused because I certainly noticed a difference in the physics. Hm, could be in my head?

Acceleration has been upped if I recall correctly. Qrealka had a forum post on here asking people to check it out before 1.45 was released.

ew at hitsounds, is there an option to keep vq3 hitsounds?

wouldn't work when you have railgun damage scaling based on distance. with CPM hitsounds you'll know if you did 80 dmg or 100.

I don't like CPM hitsounds but I wouldn't have rail scaling damage either.

What I don't like about CPM hitsounds is how it tells us how much damage we do even if we can't see it being done and when you can you should be able to make a decent guess anyway. Personally I feel this is giving too much information (as if knowing the opponents location wasn't enough!).

i don't like the idea of rail damage scaling either. i'd prefer a constant 80 at all ranges. however, i think CPM hitsounds are necessary in CPM where the RL is ideally the top choice of weapon for damage (although this might not be the case with many players) as opposed to VQ3 which is more hitscan oriented.

it helps with weapon combos. when you hear a really low pitched sound indicating maximum damage from a rocket, you can confidently pull out other weapons for the finish.

it is constant at 80, it was changed since that changelog entry afaik.

Is there a more up-to-date list somewhere?

from 10 to 6 damage is a masssssssssiiiiiiivvvvveeee nerf.....

yeah, you're right..

how about fix vq3?

not CQ3 though, the armour system and stair / ramp jumping is annoying

Armor system is the same. Frankly, CQ3 feels freaking awesome, much thanks to not sliding around like you're on ice when being shafted. LG still does shitloads of damage but it sooo much more difficult to use it.
I don't know what spawn system it uses though.. could it be q4max style? If yes, then holy crap, we need to play CQ3.

how about some osp jump height in cq3? :>

it's.. a 1 unit difference:p

its q4max style i think.. furthest 50% from killer.

50% of the distance from the furthest spawn? or spawn furthest 50% of the time?

if theres 8 spawns on a given map
you will spawn on the 50% furthest from you

so you cant spawn at any of the 4 closest spawns from the killer, you will spawn randomly on one of the remaining 4 spawns.

no more spawnrape on hub? :_(

guess not =)

Nah, qrealka took over CQ3 and made it more like a fixed version of VQ3 than a nerfed version of CPM.

er, lets try it?

indeed ramp jump sucks :/

Those could hopefully be removed. I agree ramp jumps may be too controversial for the vq3 crowd.

hope so

Why?

doesnt fit vq3 gameplay/maps imo

Why? As Aaron said there's 1 map where it's even marginally relevant. It adds a few options without speeding things up or creating excess.

but its new.. they cant handle progression..

because the gameplay doesn't have to be fast or sped up in anyway just, just because it's slow compared to CPM/QW. This doesn't make it a bad thing, it's just different. It doesn't have to theoretically close to or technically perfect. It doesn't make too much a difference in VQ3 anyway, the only map with a ramp I can think of is ztn.

I can't see people changing anyway, I personally like it a lot (Yeltsin hates it) but I feel such small changes kill a lot of the VQ3 mechanics. It makes pro-q3dm6 even worse, choke points you had to rely on to break someones control are now non exsistant.

The whole play a perfect game in relation to your enemy is lessened since you can afford to run carelessly into the enemy as you can escape and not be pinned down. This is subjective as to whether it's a good thing or not but regardless of objectivity it makes up a large part of VQ3.

The added ground acceleration (for lack of a better term) is far better, it makes shafting a hell of a lot harder, rail seems just as easy though. Shotgun is brilliant anything is better than random spread.

The spawns are better by a long shot but again such a small change drastically changes what makes VQ3, VQ3.

I'll try it a lot more if I can find the people to play it with.

tbh, i think CQ3 is as different from VQ3 as say Q4 is so we'll ideally need new maps before a decision about ramp jumps and other tricks can be made.

I'll play with you :D
Will have nice stable ping Friday for two weeks too!

:(

I like ramp jumps, I'd like to see double jumps too!

play cpm :D

ramp jumps works perfectly when mixed with crouchslide though
(cause you can slide to where you wanna jump on the ramp, never missing it)

i hate crouch sliding as well

you're gonna so like vq3 quake live, so
I wonder why you hate crouchsliding btw, beside irrelevant answers like "q4 1.0 gameplay balance sucked, q4 engine/netcode sux"

cq3

CQ3 is the way to go!

CQ3 is utter shit

that ikipedia guy is a dumbass

also aaron has cancer

spoilers

Let's try CQ3

played a bit of cq3 and it's pretty nice i must say

Where can I find an overview of the changes between CQ3 and VQ3?

VQ3 physics, plus rampjumps, increased accelleration(faster strafes)
CPM spawnsystem; lava/slime damage; item height; water speed; and LG and BFG settings.
RG damage scaling from 100 at point-blank down to 80 (linearly) at 768 units distance (LG range) and beyond.

Ammo limits: MG/LG 150, SG/GL/RL/RG/BFG 25, PG 200.
some ammobox changes
No "cripple" effect for MG/PG/LG.
CQ3 hitsound from CPM

i would remove rampjumps, make rail 80 and perhaps change hitsounds myself :C

Thanks. Ramp jumps can be nice, don't know how they affect current maps though.

men, with quakelive coming in a few months is it really needed to distort q3 equilibrium?
if it's only to lock a variable (cg_xerpclients) it's still ok, but we're talking to completely change gameplay with cq3.
i don't think it's a good choice. i see only a new way to split again the community.
maybe cq3 is really better, but ffs, this is not time to change.

We all know that quakelive is not going to be even as good as cpma vq3 on its release date...perhaps after some community backlash and a couple updates it will be able to compete.

A move to cq3 would be very easy considering it is a supported mode on an already solid/great platform (cpma) - that already has established servers.

I think with QuakeLive on the horizon it's even more important that a message is sent to id that just copying VQ3 gameplay isn't enough this time (they did it once with Quake 4).

If QuakeLive comes out and is just a carbon copy gameplay wise of VQ3 then I doubt it will be a success, lots of people are already tired of VQ3 duel/tdm/ctf and many more quit years ago already.

Personally I can't see myself sticking around to play QL for too long if it's just VQ3 with a lick of paint, I'd probably end up playing CPM.

yep, i already said that probably cq3 is better than vq3, but the question is: how much time does it need to become a standard for competitions?
just looking back to cpma vq3 it became a standard only after almost a year for q3 tdm, and some people still whine because they prefer osp.
so, with eswc already started and cb opencup starting there's no way they'll change gameplay rule, that means there are still 3-4 months with vq3 played.
and when it will become a standard, how many people will whine and will want to come back to vq3?
i don't know the answers, but i think that this change is a huge step that NOW q3 community is not able to face out.

youre more than welcome.

edit: lololol 7000th post

CPM isn't so bad when you push past how much you want everybody you play with to die. Just try to unite as a community against VQ3 players and xG members and you'll feel alot better.

I just mostly prefer vq3 gameplay.

quake4 didn't stop q3 so why should Quake Live? :)

nVc voted: Lets all switch to CQ3!


since i have no clue how to read that poll, i just voted for that

you're not alone, i have nfi what its all about

xerp has three settings
-1
0
1

The only one that anyone is whining about is "1".

Ban
Ban and tweak weapons
Allow
Allow and tweak weapons
Or play CQ3 (A mode which already changes certain aspects of the game)

You can add all the Bans and Allows together from the split vote. It would help if you could make a poll where you have to choose 1 of 2 and then also 1 of another set. e.g.:

Allow
Ban

VQ3
VQ3 - Slight tweaks
CQ3

But as far as I know you can't and having two polls would simply mean one gets ignored.

It's funny how the people who are whinning about change rely on it so much on it. Just either set default to 0, or update players to show xerp and nudge.

to whine about the enemy LG after the lost match..
gg "ALLL XERP YES YES!! I WAS SAWING!!"

Someone needs to host a mini cq3 tournament, i'm pretty curious as to how to games would turn out now.

A rare anon that makes sense :)

agreed.

[+]

wat

ah, something new will be great, lets vote for cq3! :)

what about pummel? 50dmg is too much, nerf it!

make it 100.

So I'm assuming everyone is fine with xerp so long as CQ3 is used?

no, the main problem i have with it is that putting it on 1 makes enemymodels jerky

so in order to compete on the highest level you are basically forced to have a shitty visual experience

You realise that this is how the internet works, yes?

What?

You can't have perfect accuracy/smoothness and lag. You get one or the other.

I recall you saying that it would be better to modify the LG if xerp was used, but haven't you been playing on LAN for a while? I mean, all these complaints seem like people have never played on a LAN before. If it's such a big deal, why are you so against it now? Where were these complaints before?

i dont want perfect accuracy, i want an even playing field that's not forcing people to play with jerky enemy models

So why not play CS?

what are you on about?

You want a level playing field where everyone has to deal with poor shot registry, in exchange for smooth models.

Go play CS. Been around for ages. More players, too.

don't tell me i should become a CSer when you're acting like one

You want a less accurate, but level system, and I'm acting like a CSer?

Are you off your meds?

when and if you develop enough braincells to comprehend what i'm talking about, have another go at me

Go ahead and try to support your position, fucktard.

On an even playing field, we'd be using the same mouse, the same monitor, the same graphics card, the same ping, and the same settings.

All you want is worse hit registry for EVERYONE - which you somehow think makes the game balanced. Explain? Go ahead, I'd love to hear it. You're just another one of the fags who never plays on LAN and is now surprised when HPBs show what they can do.

i have explained it in post 61 but you are just too narrow minded and obnoxious to get it

no, the main problem i have with it is that putting it on 1 makes enemymodels jerky

so in order to compete on the highest level you are basically forced to have a shitty visual experience

This is your argument? I don't like to use picmip because it's so ugly (not just for the sake of argument, but really), but it does make it much easier to see. Since I don't use it, you shouldn't be able to use it, either. Fair?

when using brightskins, having picmip enabled or disabled doesnt make a difference

The hell it doesn't.

I also prefer drawgun. I'd like that to be forced on as well.

we're talking personal preference here

if you use brightskins u can see the enemymodels just as well with or without picmip on

no, the main problem i have with it is that putting it on 1 makes enemymodels jerky

PERSONAL PREFERENCE

it's not i am forced to use it if i want to play in competition

and just stfu already thanks

Best way to save face is to run away.

He raped your ass.

You watched.

Still didn't reply - been playing in all these LAN tourneys with regular high accuracies and you're just now complaining about LG?

Honestly, you have no right.

I played one tourney then went back to q4. I said straight away "wtf lg does so much damage in cpma" to which everyone replied "ROFL NO, ITS JUST LIKE OSP"

And left it at that. The only thing changing is the netcode to bring it up to speed with LAN. If you didn't like LAN LG, you should have been bringing it up at each development stage of CPMA. Why does fixed netcode change anything if LAN tournaments will still be the same as they always have? Why the need for CQ3 just suddenly?

Are you still opposed to the xerp setting if CQ3 was used with a weaker shaft? You haven't made that quite clear yet.

50ms hack affects lan as well afaik

No change here.

Impulse don't bother with this idiot. He keeps talking like he knows something and will just keep trolling on and on when you try to bring some sense to him. I figured I would take a step back and leave him to proll in his natural habitat by himself when I "tried" to talk with him

stfu, drawgun sucks.

Compelling argument. Go back to CS?

Why would you want to force that kind of commands...

also:










































U RE AN IDIOT LOL ! :D

btw can we please ban fuckwits like this from ESR?

raged so hard

good job.

Just put him on ignore, saves reading 10 BS posts a day :)

actually CS at a competitive level is played with ex_intep 0.01 which makes registry more accurate at the cost of smooth models.

uhm we had perfect smoothness before and the cpma netcode was perfectly sufficient. and players have complained in the past

Leading is stupid.

You realise that this is how the internet works, yes?

No, that's not something working.

Really, if you kids want smooth models but inaccurate shot registry, why don't you go play CS?

why dont you go play instagib unlagged? maybe you should let us have the smooth quake that we've had for, oh, 9 fucking years?

Why don't you go play OSP? Who's stopping you?

Why don't you learn to play altogether?

Instead of embracing change and evolution, these idiots can't deal with the simplest of things. When there's even a MINOR change to the game, it's not a matter of them willing to adapt, it's "A CRIME AGAINST OUR GAME WITH UNFATHOMABLE CONSEQUENCES" that has no middle-ground.

Quake will die because the community is stupid as hell. Everyone wants their own game and nobody is willing to give a fucking inch. It's fine. Let them play with themselves - they've got plenty of practice.

why are you even commenting in a thread about a game you don't even like?

I like Q3 - I hate the players.

Don't hate the playa hate the... fair point...

ex_interp .01 ?

You're retarded

Still shitty registry? You're retarded.

please stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about when you're terrible

fucking lowlife nerdkids

nerdraged Cser clearly

Try not posting on esr all day and then call someone a nerd

fucking gross

Xerp 1 does not make models jerky for me, -1 does though.

On the poll: cq3 sounds interesting.

switch back to OSP until QL is done

Have any of you people voting for CQ3 actually try it?

sure

at least one guy has!

i haven't had the chance to play more than 1 and a half games of CQ3 but i really like the concept and reasoning behind it. i would also like to see VQ3 evolve over time like CPM and CS. looks like CQ3 is a step in the right direction even though it has a few things i disagree with.

I find that a problem, that there is only a few changes I agree with, because some of the others I can understand frankly are not worth bearing them.

well as i posted above in my reply to Aaron, i think we should test CQ3 in maps DESIGNED FOR CQ3 before making up our minds about it. i wish there was a CQ3 map pack.

word, i can't speak for CTF/TDM though :)

No changes to mg yet so it's probably lololol still.

you sure? felt tons weaker :|

Maybe it has been made 5 in all modes.

he reason lg and mg feel weaker is because they guy you are shooting can strafe unhindered in CQ3 despite being hit.

That's the cripple effect that's removed.

Doesn't that take away the effect of rushing your opponent with the lg, liike when you catch him dropping off the platform and push him away (from ra on dm6 for example)?

No, its not knockback that is removed. It's losing friction with the ground when being hit that has been removed. You still get pushed back but you're not sliding around on ice.

Guess I'll have to try it. From what you're saying tho I figure you still get pushed back when moving fw, but your movement is not impaired when moving left/right, correct?

Exactly :)

I have too (and the old cpm without air control and instaswitch cq3!)

nope. it's because my pc is kaputt, tho.

Just what q3 needs, even more split in the community!

remove it from CPM too !

no way!

I think polls like these are fairly stupid when the majority are so religiously set in one choice only and can't see the bigger picture. There's a reason why democracy doesn't work, you know. Uneducated majority who are clueless or otherwise conditioned to believe something. People are easily lead astray and manipulated. Or perhaps they're just otherwise stuck up MORANS without BRAIN.

Benevolent dictatorship (or oligarchy / cabal) >> majority rule.

really, wait for quake live, put some huge effort into it, why rape this q3modding anymore?

i don't see the problem with xerp :O

Mainly that it's warpy and everyone doesn't want to have to use it. Also that it makes the game even more biased towards LG but that's really isn't xerps fault :)

Then dont use it...

Why do I bother..

also, you say that lg is being used more. I thought one of the big diferences between lan play and online play is the use of lg.

Coming from a player that has competed in alot of lans in q3/q4 you should be used to it.

The command should not be locked. if it helps provide that lan hit registration then i am all for it.

Just because I may or may not be used to it doesn't meant its good.

How thick are you?

It isnt warpy at all for me. Are you using nudge/timenudge?

well i used smoothclients since i started and i use xerp aswell. and tbh i suck at LG the most, so it can't be xerp that does the trick imho :>

just vq3 plz

just quake live plz :-/

what ive heard is vq3 is quakeliveish?

movement is fixed, yes.

CQ3 is actually awesome. I wonder if its too much to hope for to get ESWC to use it

everyday i try to get more ppl to at the very least try cq3, majority of them have never heard of it, but they also love it now.

i don't know what cq3 has to do with xerpclients but... i say switch to cq3 everyone, quake live is more like cq3 anyway. this is what we should all be using now so we can start getting used to it before it comes out.

who told you that? have you had a chance to beta test?

considering his statement, no he had not.

"quake live is more like cq3 anyway"

yes, thats why i said he didn't play the quake live beta yet :p

then how did he know? or are you saying that his statement was wrong? :P

at least atm, it is painfully wrong, yes.

<3

Has it occured to any of you to maybe ask arqon to make a fucking improved version of xerp? Maybe he can remove some of the jerkiness and make even better netcode for us all.

people fear King Arrogant ArQon

make CQ3 CUP FOR FUCK SAKE PEOPLE!
and xerp 1 should be allowed for its more like cpm than vq3.

CQ3 cup with mix of cpmmaps and vq3maps mappool and let vq3 vs cpm players orgy begin !?

Yes.

Yes^2

tl;dr

im convinced, lets play cq3.


(needs old hit sound and normal plasma balls tho)

wat, those two features are great :)

well then not =/

It's good that you stuck to your convictions.

is there any complete + detailed list, what exactly is different to vq3?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1521995#pid1521995

Dont like changed physics, hitsounds and small plazma in CQ3. So.. first choice, just ban xerp 1.

just say "I dont like change"

VQ3 is all hitscan. Solution: Make netcode worse?

Interesting stuff...

yet another one that completely missed the point that not everyone wants to play with jittering and warping opponents but will be forced to if they want to stand a chance.

Tbh it wasn't any different in osp. Using negative timenudge also increased lg acc and gave warpy opponents.

Welcome to the shortcomings of the interweb.

timenudge didnt give the extreme benefit that xerp does and it wasnt as laggy.. you cant have xerp 0.5 etc

That's not a point. But let's take it at face value.

You go ahead and keep playing Vanilla. Have fun with that. I wish you the best.

After playing a good amount of games on cq3 I must say it is the SHIT! Only thing I don't like about it is the initial spawns...on dm6 its like it always spawns the two players at lg, and one of them is closer to it than the other so its insta give control to player who had better spawn...its like sg spawn in vq3 but 10x worse

Perhaps it's time to drop pdm6 -,-

blasphemy.

^^

And... cq3... died... silently :o

maybe you all need to preshoot a lil more for xerp to work better.

wat happen

Absolutely nothing, as usual.