W0w this sux:( kiss rza

lol that just sucked big time :(

sigh...

lol so much efford and time for a default :(
too bad lkff and gl in the opencup


btw:

Well we tied, on the hardly playable server. Now we would go to a german server for the second part on the final map. Right spoke. “Guys, it has no use anymore. Erazor is gonna give us a default loss. Warlock wasn’t allowed to play.” And he quit TS and IRC.

Kinda strange behaviour of right diddnt he give an explanation?

opencup?

i'm DarkSpirit from epsylon

i just wonder how can you lie like that and dont tell the truth ...... just shit all over the column

Screens with 999 = Busch vid_restarting...

How can you write so many LIES to justify yourself ?
This is all b*llsh*t.

vicious is my fuckin god

/*aAa* kazuyama

hahah, I hope that was a joke full of self irony ;)

/nick whylf

that's bullshit from the beginning till the end, but it has the honor of showing well how a clan can deny truth.

nice try *vicious*

looool
what a piece of shit :))))

AHAHAHAH
(23:55:11) (LKFF|vicious) its quite obvious they turned off some download as soon as your decission was made
(23:55:12) (LKFF|vicious) fake ping

We absolutly faked no ping, i was just in spec & come in when we were about to play w3. Ping advantage was 6 ms for us WITH me. And 12ms for u on the 2nd server. it seems quite even to me.

I can say a lot about One who come first with 250 ms on french and then he had 40... OMG CH34TS! Screenies mean nothing... That's an instant shot.

But right use his supervisor place to force his admins to change their mind, as supa & paw said that we have to play the last map on french server... That's obvious. You just C/C the log we were spamming, but not the logs from the admins...

I will add that the server u choose to play the 10 minutes on w3 was the first server that u were whining about after w7...

epsylon-carma

You all had white ping, shut the fuck up.

i stoped reading at "our ping was 80 blabla than got worse blabla" lol what a BS.. man u had double better pings than epsy!!!! and i think every1 who watched it on gtv will agree with me.. so dont talk BS here..

/sky

nice one dude...

What is this kind of a bullshit ? there have been 3 qualifiers for the CTF EuroCup and all 3 matches has been played on two or more diffrent server's(eye/elaw, eoe/sh and this match). This sucks f*cking hard and I really dont get it what it is. In my entire time being an admin in Quake3, I have never seen something like this. There is no 10,000 dollar on stake and ofcourse everyone wants to win but come on, this is bullshit, having each match played on a diffrent servers to make it fair...
I've seen the first game and that server seems to be very fair for both teams, I would have played all the matches there.

I am co-supervisor of the TDM EuroCup myself, always love(d) tdm and duel, I am actually getting in to CTF more because I really like it, to watch it and to play it(started playing it after 2 years again). And now I read this story, It kinda dissapoints me that all matches has to be played on diffrent servers to make it fair and also that after such a long duration of the match, you guys get a default loose and perhaps dont even get a spot in OpenCup, that brakes pretty much everything that you can possible think of. A lot of bad luck for you guys :((

Since I didnt watch the entire match, I just think that server #1 was the most fair server for both sides.

LKFF's routing to the server broke during the 2nd map, hence the need for another server.

nick zfred

that's bullshit from the beginning till the end, but it has the honor of showing well how a clan can deny truth.

nice try *vicious*

This report is so full of shit. :)
I'll write up things as I've seen them :

First, the truth is on the first german server (*CHOSEN BY LKFF*), EVERYONE had shitty pings. I saw french players having lag spikes up to 80 ms, and same for LKFF players. Everyone fucked up their tricks, aiming was horrible, and so on.
Sometimes epsylon had the ping advantage, sometimes LKFF, it didn't really matter as the server was PLAIN SHIT for BOTH teams.
LKFF won fair and square, two caps on which nobody registered a single rail at middle, but hey, pings were even, LKFF kept the result after that, this was well-earned.

On the second map, for some reason, the routing for 3 LKFF guys fucked up, and thus those 3 guys suddenly had a nice stable... 100 ms ping. :/
As the map was already going on, it was finished like that, with epsylon ping owning LKFF from about 30 ms ; but please DO remember that this ping ownage remained really painful for epsylon aswell, as their connections were still very unstable with huge lag spikes, and thus not so playable.
Busch finally captured a flag for epsylon who earned the mapwin and tied the score to 2-2, but man, really, I wouldn't have liked to play in those conditions, even if my opponents had 100 ms average pings.
Of course at the end of that 2nd map, LKFF asked for a server change, which was fair.

What was less fair was RiGHT going on his show (first act will be developped later). The guy forced the 3rd map on another german server where epsylon had 60+ unstable pings and LKFF had a stable 30 ms because his players had a disadvantage on the previous map.
So to punish epsylon for .nl's routing to fuck up, the 3rd map, cp9, has been the caricature of a game, with epsylon taking most PU's especially at mid, but always ending their haste runs in a wall and fucking their tricks up because of their unstable high pinging connections.
LKFF capped quickly and although epsylon dominated most of the map in terms of PU's and flagruns, LKFF won thanks to a massive connection-ownage.

Then came, of course, one more server search for the 4th map : a french server was proposed, and as the pings were fair (the ping advantage to epsylon varied from 6 to 10 ms), the game was played there. On a sidenote, during this server search, thedutchone, aka tdo, aka one, had 250-300 ms. When it is decided to play on this server, all of a sudden, he disconnects and comes back with a stable 30 ms. Now who is the ping cheater again ? :)

Remember this was the first server since the beginning of this game where epsylon had stable pings.
Well, weirdly, all of a sudden, LKFF were just beeing raped.
We could see epsylon players hitting every single rail, succeeding in every single tricks, hitting a full face on each rocket, and finally winning easily with a stunning 9 caps to 0.
For some reason, they succeeded in doing every single thing they were unable to do on the previous maps, including the first c2.

No need to tell you the scoreboard pings were WAY better and WAY more stable than on the first server, including the first c2 mapwin to LKFF, but this time, apparently, LKFF seemed to find it totally, absolutely unplayable.
They then just quitted the server despise the admin's recommendations to finish the game on this fair server, here is a snippet of what happened on the match channel on IRC :

<Pafsoon|Q3> we will play on french <- 2nd time
<LKFF|RiGHT> we will not play on a french server
<Pafsoon|Q3> get back on serv
<LKFF|RiGHT> nope

Pafsoon aka Pawson was the admin of the match, he and Supa (another cup admin) decided to force the French server because it was fair (around 6 ms disadvantage).
But RiGHT, the so-called head admin of clanbase.ctf, decided to NOT listen to his own admins and went back on their decision.
So the head admin can't behave correctly, listen to the admin and follow the rules when his own clan is involved, good example to the future clans he WILL blame on the same stuff, really.
Well that is, if he keeps his head admin spot, which is nothing but sure now. :)

To go on with the game, LKFF, by refusing to join the server and arguing for around 1 hour, succeeded in making epsylon come back to IRC AGAIN for another server search. As a fair server couldn't be agreed on (surprisingly enough), it was decided to play 10 min of the final map on each server.
Guess what, the server proposed by LKFF was precisely the server on which the 2 first maps were played. Interesting. :)

The first server search had begun at 20:00 CET, the game was due to begin at 20:30 CET, and it was now... 00:30 CET !

Anyway the game went on the 5th map, for its first 10 minutes on the french server, pings seemed just fine, apart from one LKFF member sometimes spiking at around 55 ms, everyone had between 30 and 40 ms on the scoreboard, with an advantage to epsylon from 5 to 10 ms.
After a few unsuccessful tries from epsylon, LKFF capped first, quickly, with a nice straight run while they had total control of mid. After that, epsylon just resynched their regen with the middle PU, and showed great teamplay to achieve a big domination over LKFF.
Call it luck of whatever you want, the spawns were with LKFF and each time carma or busch made a succesfull run and epsylon were in total control of mid, 2 LKFF guys respawned at epsylon's lower SG and upper PG, and managed to recover.
But spawns can't always save you when you're that much dominated, and finally, on a last attempt not long before the 10 min mark, epsylon equalized thanks to busch who made it 1-1.

This is when we learned interesting things on GTV and on IRC.
During the first server search, when the guys from epsylon saw that warlock was to play that game, they realized that player wasn't in LKFF's roster, and then told LKFF he wasn't allowed to play.
Well, will you believe it ? RiGHT said that he was just adding him to the roster ! He said he had the right to do that, and so that was it, epsylon didn't have a word to say, warlock was allowed to play. We all knew that nearly since the beginning, but since RiGHT had decided it was OK and he was the supervisor of the cup, what could anyone do apart from useless whining ?
No need to tell you that player had a huge influence in lkff's mapwins, with a great aim...
Adding a player to LKFF's roster at 20:40 CET when the game should have begun @ 20:30 CET, speaks for itself towards RiGHT's integrity.
This attitude from the guy that has been admin for the Clanbase CTF cups for many seasons is just FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE, but sums up pretty well numerous previous disputable decisions from that guy towards french clans and the french National team.

Anyway, what we learnt during the server change at mid-5th map, is that, for some reason, erazor (co-supervisor of RiGHT) queried one player of the french team believing it was someone from LKFF, and basically told him that warlock wasn't allowed to play due to him beeing added much too late, and that LKFF received a default loss. Whatever the reason he made that mistake for, epsylon were now aware of that and the 2nd part of the 5th map, of course, hasn't been played.

Looking at all of that, I can't see epsylon's fault and where they did get any advantage. They weren't responsible for that major dutck ISP fuck up on the 2nd map, and all other maps have either been fair or very much at the advantage of LKFF if you look at that joke of a 3rd map.

Another thing that strikes me : many LKFF members spend LOTS of time on french pickup servers, outpinging most frenchies with their stable 35-40ms on the scoreboard, and as far as I can remember, I NEVER saw any of you whine while you were making all topshots and 100+ points against french pickup hpb noobs. A lot of french pickups players can vouch for that, including myself. :)
Get your facts straight guys, if french servers are soooo unplayable, why do you spend so much time on them ?

I remember french clans and even the French national team beeing forced to play by the SAME GUY, M. Mighty Head Admin RiGHT, on +20 ms average pings and more, with massive packet loss, in previous Nations/Open/Eurocups, against .nl teams pingging a stable 30 on .nl servers.
It didn't really seem to tear RiGHT's heart apart as long as the .nl clan / national team wasn't the one disadvantaged.
And now you want to make us cry on a +6 to +10 ms difference with a stable 40 ms for all of you, vicious ? Sob, sob.

All I'll retain from this game is that RiGHT is a cheater, such a untrustworthy person doesn't deserve a Cup Supervisor spot, especially in a Eurocup.

Talking about pingcheat, I don't know what you want to prove with your screenshots, which were taken while the referee, Pawson, callvoted maxpackets_max 40 to see the real pings (and conclude the server was fair). Apart from the fact that busch was 999 because of a vid_restart, I see nothing shocking.
The only one pingcheater we saw was thedutchone aka one//lkff, who had 300 ms on the french server until the game was forced there and he magically reconnected with a nice stable ping.

I thus hope LKFF will indeed be removed from the opencup aswell, cause such a clan with members abusing their supervisors powers and pingcheating, doesn't deserve a spot in such a competition where it is hard enough to play in decent conditions.

I am not about to reply on every invalid aspect of your post, because its clear that you are biased. I am biased aswell, but there is nothing written in my column that is not true.

First of all. You were on GTV. On GTV you can not see all aspects. You do not know, you were not on the server.

Second, to the part where you wrote down this:

Talking about pingcheat, I don't know what you want to prove with your screenshots, which were taken while the referee, Pawson, callvoted maxpackets_max 40 to see the real pings (and conclude the server was fair). Apart from the fact that busch was 999 because of a vid_restart, I see nothing shocking.
The only one pingcheater we saw was thedutchone aka one//lkff, who had 300 ms on the french server until the game was forced there and he magically reconnected with a nice stable ping.

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For the part about One. As i remember it at the time erazor was on the server we had an average ping of around 37'ish. If One had ping 300 during that comparisation period, ánd entered our team, we could not have an average ping of 38. I think spaas was in our team at the time of the server search, who had one of the best pings in our team during the entire qualifier. See the screenshot of w7. Spaas didn't want to play on anymore, and One replaced him.

Erazor watched the scoreboard for a long time to compare the pings, on both servers. Or at least, it took pretty long (say 5 minutes) before erazor told his decision. Now read this following part carefully.

At the time Erazor was on the french server, not a single one of the epsylon players' their ping hit below 27. Not a single one, a single time. After erazor announced his discussion I got fragged and went rolling a smoke. While smoking i pressed tab to see the scoreboard for a while. I saw players of epsylon go 999, and saw them return with ping 14 to 17ms. Then quickly a callvote maxpackets 100 (not 40 'to see the real ping' as you wrote, see the screenshots) followed. I don't believe the admin called that vote, as he was referee, referee callvotes don't require players' votes.

If these players would have had 14/17 ms during the time erazor was on the server to make a decision, we would have played in germany, like we were supposed to at the start of the game.

You know what made them go 14/17 all of a sudden, and i most certainly do as well. There is no way you can write your way around these facts. Not even to mention the all of a sudden packetattack i got just before wcp9 was about to start.

There is not way to justify this, and believe me, i am not trying to justify ANYTHING from our side in this column. I wrote this to tell about my short expierence in the highest division.

The reason we lost this game, is not because of our bad routing to germany in the first two maps, it also wasnt because we had lagspikes on the french server.

Because with all huge handicaps that i just listed, plus the fact that we didn't have our old lineup with naas and mort playing, who we do miss a lot, we STILL were about to win this qualifier, and that ís something you did see on GTV.

The reason we lost this game is only because an error of judgement of the clanbase rules. And that error is made by one single person, and i dont even blame him for that.

There is no need for justification.

you should have watched more carefully, the admin callvoted mp_max 40 to see real pings and then mp_max 100 was callvoted again. Maybe I wasn't on the server, maybe I do not know, but at least I do know better than you do.
Rolling a smoke huh ? That would explain a lot of things you written.

rolling a smoke, tabacco only ;) he gets sick from weed so that wasnt the case here... not al dutch ppl smoke weed you know, sadly enough :)

Then came, of course, one more server search for the 4th map : a french server was proposed, and as the pings were fair (the ping advantage to epsylon varied from 6 to 10 ms), the game was played there. On a sidenote, during this server search, thedutchone, aka tdo, aka one, had 250-300 ms. When it is decided to play on this server, all of a sudden, he disconnects and comes back with a stable 30 ms. Now who is the ping cheater again ? :)

ONE = neo*one and not the dutch one from 32nd ok...

warlock is playing with us for months now, so dont screem we added him just for now ok... he didnt activate his cb thing, dunno...our fault.

//spaas

Then came, of course, one more server search for the 4th map : a french server was proposed, and as the pings were fair (the ping advantage to epsylon varied from 6 to 10 ms), the game was played there. On a sidenote, during this server search, thedutchone, aka tdo, aka one, had 250-300 ms. When it is decided to play on this server, all of a sudden, he disconnects and comes back with a stable 30 ms. Now who is the ping cheater again ? :)

ONE = neo*one and not the dutch one from 32nd ok... and he changed his connection for U peeps to play there. (he has 2 connections)

warlock is playing with us for months now, so dont screem we added him just for now ok... he didnt activate his cb thing, dunno...our fault.

dont puke on right, hes doing some great things for cb. nobody wants to see his team lose or get raped innit?

i (almost) never whine in q3 or irc, but the bomb is lossssss ^^

//spaas

still not a reason to add him after the game begins and claim it's right to do that.
I'm sure RiGHT has punished more than one clan for doing that and anyway, as a supervisor, he perfectly knew it was wrong to add someone that late, whatever the reason.

If a cup supervisor can't admin his own clan properly and check everything's ok BEFORE such an important game, how can he decently punish other clans and clanleaders afterwards for making the same mistakes ?
That and abusing his supervisors powers to add the players after the deadline and say it's ok for him to play, is just not the attitude of a honest and trustworthy head admin.

"LKKF, my CTF clan"

lol? :)

This page just sucked up 20 minutes of my sparetime, but it was worth it. Once again i am proud of you all for being able to look so onesided at a game and being able to spend your lifetime posting stuff like this. Perhaps you should all get a grip on your emotions. It's nothing but a game. I think people stopped realising that. There is no point in writing such stuff (except for my and a lot of other people's entertainment). The decision was made by an admin and even if the admin was wrong, he's still a human like all of you, he's trying to do the best job he can and all he gets from you is like BOOHOO I DON'T WANT THIS SERVER and BOOHOO THEY PINGCHEAT.

I think everybody should realise that if it wasn't for the admins there wouldn't have been an EC in the first place. So either behave and stop flaming them or DO IT YOURSELF. There have been plenty of chances to become and admin for the EC and if you wanted to make a difference you should have become one. Now it's too late, so you have to live with them making this decision, grow up or something *sigh*

jo sansai, if he was added 1 min before the game... was it allowed then? i think yes, because u can add players before the first match that is coming (imo) i dont know the exact rules.

i wont say anything again here :))


//spaas off

dont talk about growing up and that shit, ur clearly not in the position to do that being anonymous and all.

the 4th map something strange was going on i dont know what it was coz i have no technical insight in those matters. but that map omg they were just so fuckin difficult to hit. im not saying we would have won otherwise, but at least it wouldnt have been 9-0. while the first map was the same and we won that with 2-0. its just fucked up that a mistake like that by our clanleader is made, and justice has to be done for sure coz rulez are rulez too bad the players who had fun in playing for lkff including me are now watching this all from behind a line and cant participate in any (CB)cup anymore, i remember myself saying on TS; make sure that shit with wl is fixed otherwise we gonna have problems. it was fixed i heard. tho i thought it was a bit stupid coz wl has been with us for like 3/4 months. then i heard it: default loss. kinda sux for something like that. and it really sux that ppl are talking about lkff excuse me shitting on lkff coz right this and right that, right is supervisor he abuses his power blahblahblah he's just a clanleader when hes with us and hes doing a damn fine job coaching, motivating us to play.

so to wrap it up...
after all i had some exiting games (wich it is all about eventually :p) especially wcp9 was fun, some close and exciting moment we had there, gg epsy wp

'Soon after I heard our flag being returned and warlock giving the signal base safe with his soft sweet belgian accent'


:D

tbh the fun I had on TS with lkff and laughs was the only fun part of this game

'Soon after I heard our flag being returned and warlock giving the signal base safe with his soft sweet belgian accent'

Rofl wot kind of homo talk is this... does ur accent turnzz him on ? :o

loelz

especially cp9 ? with 30 ms vs 60+ ?
Oh well. :)

Anyway, sorry for confusing one and tdo, my bad.

yes especially cp9, coz of the hectic moments there, u really have to bring up the ping issue everywhere? its getting annoying now, i didnt say nething during war not even when i had to defend in w7 with 119 ms so dont come to me with ur ping bullshit, the internet sux dont you know it allready?

eLAW`Crasp is the name, i just cba to register. I just say what i wanna say (apparently everybody does that here?). The fact that you respond to me talking about growing up made you feel offended?

yes i feel offended, coz when i read your post u are clearly talking about lkff members to grow up, while u werent there at all and u dont know me at all. you are talking about urself u say what u wanna say, k fine but why u gotta take vicious' post down like that? he's only saying what he wanted to say ffs its his column. its just his(our) side of the story no hard feelings or nething but it was a bit lame reply from your side (a part from that reply i mean and then especially coz it was anonymous) the 2nd part about admin stuff ur right alltho there wasnt ne flaming towards erazor or any admin. the moment right left ts and irc it all stopped and we knew it was over, pissed off coz i threw away an evening in wich i could have been doing some serious chilling, so i smoked a joint played some ut2k4 and went to sleep :p

"pissed off coz i threw away an evening in wich i could have been doing some serious chilling, so i smoked a joint played some ut2k4 and went to sleep :p "

holland is such a nice country tbh :D

it is deepos :) especially since weed is getting cheaper then cigarettes :]

swissssssssssssss :P

u welcome deepoooos :P

\o>

yay sky im coming soon! :D

WHO THE FUCK ARE LKFF.. WHO THE FUCK IS VICIOUS WHY THE FUCK IS A DIV 3 CTF CLAN INVITED TO EC?

WHAT A NOOB Q3 SCENE WE HAVE ATM.

As if your comments aren't sad enough already at times pannetto, no, you also have to post almost exactly the same here and on clanbase. How original ..

CHILDREN!

BEHAVE!

:S

Don't you guys have anything better to do in your free time fgs

Get out and get layed...

Panjak, you shouldn't feel offended at all, that is not my intention. The fact is just that people take it to onesided and eventually it comes all to the admin to take the decision, if you would read it better you'd see i actually take credit for erazor and right. Damn i should register myself or just stop posting :p

:) thx for pointing it out for me, i clearly didnt get what u ment to say and therefor my apologies :p and, just register :)

*vicious* i was on GTV stop lies fagg !

unbilivaibole !!!!

./nick charlie

lol 'LKKF' ?
hehehe
LKFF whines like girls wherever they play :D :D :D
And warp worse than ELAW :D
HAHA

Sorry god im bored, trolling at work and this was an entertaining read :E

all this hassle, and only for qualifiers...the teams that will 'probably' lose the most in the actual EC...ridiculous :)

we know you own.....

where is the [-] button?

LKFF'd

wp erazor for stepping up against Right!

RiGHT, the man with the most ironic name in Q3.

I have read all those reports and i think
that epsylon didt act in a right way
it is ok to be mad abot something but epsylon have a lot of conflict's when something isnt fair my clan doenst say anything about the war and what about the player of lkkf
well if he was on their clan for some time alreadsy then it is fair and him not being on the roster what does that matter do you have mentaly prepare urself for that player? or making yourself ready for a forfeit win no i think it is right of lkkf to do these thing's
i have read of so many war problems of epsylon more then any other clan on the web tey always have something to whine about so GG for lkkf.
They wanted a fair nice war.
But epsylon is only saying all this to win and what is so important for them..

1. **Anonymous** (cc184646-a.joure1.fr.home.**nl**)
2. "...i think"
3. shut up

1 + 2 = 3

as I posted on clanbase... :

Hum, wait. You asked us if we were ok with warlock as lkff's player ?. Ok. I'll give my point of view on this.

Firstly, no one LKFF said something about Warlock. We asked who was this guy some times, then they replied, it was warlock. Ok. We asked if he was on their player's list, and we checked on webby as well, no warlock.

So we asked to the admin if he was in capacity of play, as we were checking aswell the rules, nothing about the qualification game. Right said after that it will be ok, he'll add him. We said ok. And game could begin...

But at no one point u asked us something about him.

Please don't translate the true to something other...

We really couldn't say another else or try to discuss about that, cause right was pushing for that...

What do you want to do with no rules apply on this ?

nothing... we forgot this point, we concentrated on game, and we pld...

/done

Is whining a national hobby in Holland or something ?

http://www.clanbase.com/news_league.php?nid=1...p;lid=1131

I'm looking for another hobby, but it's hard too find :(

And whining is so ez, everybody can learn it.. :D

http://vicious.lkff.nl/ecqualifier/epsyl...erserversearch01.jpg
http://vicious.lkff.nl/ecqualifier/epsyl...erserversearch02.jpg
http://vicious.lkff.nl/ecqualifier/epsyl...erserversearch03.jpg

WoW 7 seconde between these screenshot !!

u gonna make a video ?

only if u can suck ur own dick, plx plx

each season lkff gets a easy group and now they are in the EC qualifiers while there are better clans out there

about time they got punished, not for warlock and the bla bla, but for the supervisor/admin being in favor for them

// dieana

yawn? both of you would go out in the first round of ec anyway...

and?

Lol, u all got white pings ffs. Im stuck on 64k ISDN so plz...

what is it with q3 noobs and rdagging these clanbase disputes to esreality, no one gives a fuck about your shitty match problems, these things happen all the time and have been happening for years, its not clanbase's fault.

We can see that on the amount of comments, pro. I just wrote about my experience, and if you dont give a fuck about that, dont read it, and most defintetely dont reply on it. Now go bore in another thread with yer 79 posts.

Oh wow its all about how many posts you have done I see, look I'm sick of cock ends infecting this quality site with complete noob talk, and that means you Mr default loss in the first round of the qualifiers.

First learn how to proper reply on this quality site before you judge on what is noob talk and what is not. Ok noobish sick cock? Ktxbye!

/\ :/

blame canada!