ESR - War in Ukraine - Offtopic Forum

<< Comment #1 @ 13:01 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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Padawan

Putin mamku tvou ebal

<< Comment #2 @ 13:29 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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wormed

You're an idiot.

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<< Comment #3 @ 18:04 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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fau

In Soviet Russia, border crosses troops.

<< Comment #4 @ 23:27 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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Anonymous (90.44.42.168)

Ye let's blame Russia!

<< Comment #496 @ 06:51 CST, 18 February 2015 >>

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deadlift - Reply to #4

Da comrade. EU will mean the end of freedom in Ukraine. It's Obama and the imperalists that is the real threat with their loan-slavery and pop-music and rights for homosexuals and... and...

<< Comment #5 @ 04:29 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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Aquashark

what is the Russian equivalent for Lebensraum? Novorossiya.
but hey, everyone else is fascist right?

fun fact about our dear "liberators" in WW2: German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk (September 22, 1939 during the invasion of Poland)

Edited by Aquashark at 04:31 CDT, 29 August 2014

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<< Comment #186 @ 09:19 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #5

heres another fun fact about our dear roumaniun gippos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Armies_...Stalingrad

<< Comment #189 @ 12:06 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #186

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_World...t_the_Axis

yes, Romania ended up fighting for both sides (mostly as cannon fodder). when you're a smaller country between two military blocks fighting a world war, you get dragged into it no matter what, especially under these conditions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupatio...wII-de.svg

at least we were worthy enough to be allied with, Serbia was a default "gg no re" for the Nazis/Ustaše

Edited by Aquashark at 12:09 CDT, 2 September 2014

<< Comment #190 @ 07:55 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #189

So you piss where wind blew, no backbone then?its kinda hilarious how you try to justify your countrys actions and at the same time try to present it as somekind of military force, just hilarious..

heres a fine example of your anti-nazi struggle I would particularly recommend reading:

http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/abou...mc_id=wiki

a quote from your link:

"When it's a question of action against the Slavs, you can always count on Romania," Antonescu stated ten days before the start of Operation Barbarossa.

luckily enough there is a common consensus among historians as to who formed allied/axis powers and you can guess under which wing Romania fell.. its kinda written in every highschool textbook, lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact

And bitch pls, your silly implies on military achievements about jugoslavia are laughable as the country is pretty much a synonym for Partisan guerilla fighting.It came out as the only country to drive out the nazis on her own without the outside help of Allies and without the Red Army, while same cant be said about you whore..

Edited by Eviili at 07:57 CDT, 3 September 2014

<< Comment #192 @ 10:50 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #190

yes, Romania was under a fascist government when it entered the war and it participated in really bad stuff (the Holocaust, the crossing of Dniester into proper Soviet territory where it had no business..), but before the Ribentropp Molotov/Second Vienna Award, there were no fascists in power. those were enabled by the annexations and catastrophic response of the pollitical class which led to rise of extremism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_World...s_to_power

"When it's a question of action against the Slavs, you can always count on Romania," Antonescu stated ten days before the start of Operation Barbarossa.

you also forget that Romania gave permission to the Polish Army to evacuate through our territory:

Almost all those interned in transit camps in Hungary and Rumania escaped between the autumn of 1939 and the summer of 1940 and amounted to 15,978 officers and other ranks to Britain with another 1,378 from other countries. Under pressure, the Hungarian and Romanian governments became anti-Polish while the people remained largely supportive and assisted in escapes.
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In Rumania as the camp head counts diminished, Rumanians officials regularly falsified returns with 'ghost' numbers to avoid the wrath of their German paymasters

http://www.polandinexile.com/escape.html

the context and pre-conditions matter. you're just cherry-picking stuff, history is not so black and white.
and yes, the Partisans were cool, but the standing army didn't do much before them.

anyway enough about our petty Balkan squabble, how would you defend the partition of Poland between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia?

Edited by Aquashark at 11:05 CDT, 3 September 2014

<< Comment #196 @ 15:07 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #192

Romania has internet? You must be one of those rich gypsies.

<< Comment #199 @ 17:57 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (82.137.8.251) - Reply to #196

This is another one disgusting result of the Western policy: to kingdom come the West accused Romania that Romania did not integrate Gypsies well enough to please the West. Now that the Gypsies are supposedly integrated all the bad things they do in the West are being thrown by the West on Romanian's shoulders. Can you be more hypocrite that this? I guess not.

<< Comment #203 @ 19:11 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #199

I was obviously just trying to get a rise out of you. lol. Success!

<< Comment #208 @ 20:17 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (82.137.8.251) - Reply to #203

Unlike the Amerifags losers who run away from Europe their tail between their legs and who are decided to eradicate now all nations in Europe as revenge under the pretext that everything that is not like the US (multiculti kitsch) supposed to be bad, I do not suffer from identity crisis. Try your Gypsy-origins elsewhere.

<< Comment #209 @ 20:29 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #208

Wut

<< Comment #226 @ 08:35 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #209

gipsy is trying to tell you, that youre ehnically unpure or unclean.

<< Comment #217 @ 05:04 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #196

we had citywide 100 Mbits connections since 2005-06 at dirt cheap prices. meanwhile Canadians/Americans moan about their shitty internet well into the 201x's. they pollute reddit constantly with their Comcast/Rogers whining and horror stories.

btw i was autoupgraded from 100 Mbps to 200 Mbps by my ISP with no extra cost ($12/mo). i can't be arsed to change the router though (has no Gigabit ports), all that config work isn't worth it atm because the rest of the world is holding us back anyway huehuehue

edit: sorry 200 Mbps, not 500 (that would cost about $1.5 more)

Edited by Aquashark at 05:32 CDT, 4 September 2014

<< Comment #219 @ 05:14 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #217

It's always funny how Americans and the like mock someone towards eastern europe having internet lol, meanwhile some countries around here have some of the best internet options

<< Comment #220 @ 05:24 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #219

yeah, the Baltics smoke them too. high five!

<< Comment #228 @ 08:51 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #220

ironically, youre highfiving someone with USSR flag..

Edited by Eviili at 08:52 CDT, 4 September 2014

<< Comment #234 @ 10:31 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #228

next thing you know.. i might not even bear ill will towards regular Russian people. hopefully you'll catch that irony as well!

<< Comment #262 @ 15:12 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #228

ironically the use of the flag itself may be ironical

<< Comment #231 @ 10:16 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #217

Damn, I thought the troll was obvious. Leave it to Romanian's to totally miss sarcasm.

<< Comment #233 @ 10:24 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #231

hey man, this is one of the few relevant things i can brag about on the internet related to my country. how would i miss a chance for it?

<< Comment #200 @ 18:34 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (82.137.8.251) - Reply to #186

The Romanian Army had artillery pieces from World War 1. They were not prepared for a modern confrontation and Antonescu accepted to enter the war just to liberate the Romanian land under the Russian occupation (respectively Basarabia and Bucovina). He wanted to stop there. The fact that he was dragged further was the result of many insistences from the part of Hitler who assured Antonescu that his Army will do fine and made many promises to him. After the Crimean campaign where joined Romanian-German Armies were fighting with success Hitler overestimated the capabilities of the 3rd and 4th Romanian Armies and send them to defend the Southern and Northern flanks at Stalingrad. It was a strategic error, and the warnings of Paulus and Manstein who said to Hitler that the front was empty north of Stalingrad for more than 100 km did not have any visible result. I have thinking a lot about that specific battle. The best conclusion that I come with is that they should have been sending the Romanian Armies to fight inside the town while using the armored German Armies to attack North and South of Stalingrad over Volga. This would have been encircling the Russian artillery that bombarded the city during the entire operation and in case of a counteroffensive the Germans would have been holding the line (apparently there was a German Army group North of Stalingrad that supported the Russian assault along the Rumanians, the German Army Group 11 who according to Manstein "stood firm" the assault).
Then there are the numbers, the Rumanian Army consisted at the time of a few hundred thousands (unarmed and without tanks) while the Russian offensive totaled more than 1 million men with ten or more armored divisions. All my regards to the Red Army but I would not give this as the best example to glorify the victorious Russian Army.

<< Comment #230 @ 09:20 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #200

It was a strategic error, and the warnings of Paulus and Manstein who said to Hitler that the front was empty north of Stalingrad for more than 100 km did not have any visible result. I have thinking a lot about that specific battle. The best conclusion that I come with is that they should have been sending the Romanian Armies to fight inside the town while using the armored German Armies to attack North and South of Stalingrad over Volga. This would have been encircling the Russian artillery that bombarded the city during the entire operation and in case of a counteroffensive the Germans would have been holding the line

the very reason that youre putting so much thought into it, is scary and wrong to even begin with.. silly gipsy chair general.

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<< Comment #235 @ 10:33 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #230

he's one of those who secretely wishes the Nazis have won.

<< Comment #269 @ 10:26 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #235

guess you already know that, since think alikes notice each other from the distance right?

<< Comment #271 @ 14:12 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #269

it's well know that anyone who disagrees with Russian imperialism is a fascist.

<< Comment #272 @ 14:21 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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ProT ' - Reply to #271

And anyone who disagrees with US imperialism is a terrorist. ;)

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<< Comment #273 @ 19:38 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #272

Did you see him call other posters terrorists?

<< Comment #274 @ 22:37 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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ProT ' - Reply to #273

So?

<< Comment #275 @ 03:09 CDT, 6 September 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #274

So he was replying to someone essentially calling him a fascist/Nazi-lover.

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ProT ' - Reply to #275

So?

<< Comment #277 @ 04:42 CDT, 6 September 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #276

So your reply misses the context of his statement, but ok, have your fun. So?

edit in response to your reply below: no.

Edited by Naghokez at 06:51 CDT, 6 September 2014

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ProT ' - Reply to #277

So it seems to me the only one who missed something was you. So-so. :)

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<< Comment #201 @ 18:35 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (82.137.8.251) - Reply to #5

Many people in Eastern Ukraine are Russians and many other have close ties with Russia. If Russia would have taken Crimea and helping Eastern Ukraine without the acceptance of the population it would have been massive riots over there. The lack of resistance should be a good indicator about population's support. To the West this does not seem to matter at all. Besides, I have been considering Ukrainians as being Russians and most of the Western people seen them as well. Now that the interests of the EU and NATO are targeting Ukraine, it all came down to "Russia-the aggressor" (such a strange coincidence). Stop swallowing everything the Rumanian media spits. Also look to what EU did to our country: Romanian economy is in shambles, all factories destroyed, Italians are buying as many properties as they can (started to buy land as well), the price on apartments quadrupled and the politicians have no free will at all, they are all Brussels puppets. Our natural resources? Gone, sold to the highest or the smartest bidder foreign. There is no bright future for the country. In case the Romanian economy will revive and somehow people's wealth will go up then Romania will be hit demographically, coming to meet the well known in the West African invasions. EU brings to other states enslavement, financial debt and Islam. EU = the death of nations and the extinction of the European population.

<< Comment #218 @ 05:13 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #201

let's not put it all on foreigners. what about the systemic corruption, laziness, backward mentality (apathy at best) in a big chunk of our fellow country men?

i'm glad Italians/Westerners buy land here and do something with it, especially when it comes to agriculture, instead of being owned by idle drunkard peasants who let the best soil in EU rot and lose its properties: http://i.imgur.com/TmKdaFz.jpg (dat green Chernozem! Ukraine is full of it as well)

EU brings to other states enslavement, financial debt and Islam. EU = the death of nations and the extinction of the European population.

our debt comes from too much stealing by the cleptocracy in power. if we had a decent administration, we would absorb as much EU funds as possible and put this country on its feet, but it's hard to take EU money for free and build something with it, when you can steal taxpayer money with no accountability and do nothing.

EU doesn't have a common immigration policy btw.

Edited by Aquashark at 10:34 CDT, 4 September 2014

<< Comment #6 @ 04:39 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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H1ghlander

I only hope that Russia doesn't really want Global War.

If such thing will happen, here in Poland, we are fucked up.

frenchies and engrishes will send us postcards, again.

<< Comment #7 @ 04:49 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #6

You are Polish? lololol? Didn't know.

<< Comment #8 @ 04:50 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #7

hell yeah, comrade.

<< Comment #38 @ 02:04 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #7

cmon, who else than a Pole would pick a nick refering to VHS era and shitty movie with Christopher Lambert?

<< Comment #41 @ 03:28 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #38

Your nickname on other hand sounds like character's name from Street Fighter 2 on Amiga500.

<< Comment #44 @ 04:07 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #41

much worse :< its frome anime :<

<< Comment #47 @ 05:48 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #44

Holy shit. And you laugh at Poles. Are you from Germany or what.

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pacmanpl - Reply to #47

Yes.

<< Comment #56 @ 08:47 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #54

That explains a lot.

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filo - Reply to #56

you also is original as fuck. w'0000p w0000p

<< Comment #17 @ 10:58 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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ProT ' - Reply to #6

I only hope that Russia doesn't really want Global War.

Putin != Russia

But still, I guess the guy does want his war and seems to have at least some support from the Russian people.

<< Comment #18 @ 11:47 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #17

Putin != Russia.

You are right. I shouldn't say smth like that.

<< Comment #20 @ 15:22 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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Anonymous (90.44.42.168) - Reply to #17

The ones promoting asymetric wars (genocides) and war in general are the ones in NATO led by USA and UK, they need a WW3 to continu their economic and military supremacy, the longer they wait the moe they lose the capability for a global war win because others country are catching up on the technology lead they had for decades.

The ones lying to their citizen and promoting liberticid laws are also the ones in NATO, led by USA nad UK.

Remember Collin Powell? 3 million Irakians dead. USA lost more soldiers suiciding back at home than on the "warfield". Such heros soldiers.

USA's military is specialised in asymetric agressive attacks, all their war potential are agressive potentials (aircraft carrier, sea war vessels.

That and the only country of the world that uses illegal weapons are USA and israel. Remember Vietnam? Agent Orange produced by Monsanto (jewish family). White Phosphore used by israel on civilians in 2006 in Palestin, Uranium slugs used in Afghanistan and Irak, and... who's the only country ever using atomic bomb??? USA. Not 1 time but 2 times.

You brainwashed about Russia it seems. Mass mdia doing their job, and it works on 90% of the people. Including you.

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<< Comment #21 @ 15:31 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #20

I doubt they want ww exactly, considering that most part of the globe will be destroyed in hours after it starts, so I do not see how they are going to capitalise on it and how do they plan to survive at first place :\

Edited by noacc at 15:32 CDT, 29 August 2014

<< Comment #25 @ 17:23 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #21

Obama does want WW3. They're broke. They're trillions of dollars in debt. You know how you fix that? You create a phoney war.

The sad truth is that a lot of this media coverage is so hilariously bad, if people had any shred of common sense, you'd see right through it. It's so ridiculous it doesn't even make any sense.

Edited by wormed at 17:23 CDT, 29 August 2014

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<< Comment #27 @ 18:02 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #25

but I still fail to understand how is he going to guarantee his own survival in this case and most importantly what will he do in the radioactive wasteland? Even during Cuban missile crisis US and USSR managed to understand that nuclear was not the way to go, and the power of those weapons was not even remotely close to modern.

<< Comment #30 @ 18:34 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #27

Obama is a puppet. He matters to no one. Who benefits from war? Arms dealers, construction companies, resource companies, etc. Obama means absolutely nothing.

<< Comment #31 @ 18:39 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #30

even more so, those people should be more rational then politicians hence even less chance, that they need nuclear war.
Anyways you seem to be upset with Obama&Co did they hurt Canada in some way?

<< Comment #34 @ 19:55 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #31

Canada is extremely tied to the USA. They're our largest trading partner. Essentially, if they go down, we unfortunately go down with them. If they want to start a war with Russia, unfortunately, we go to war with Russia.

<< Comment #42 @ 03:56 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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Klijngsor - Reply to #30

Who profits from disease? Hospitals, medical companies, surgeons, doctors. So they must be the cause of it.

Edited by Klijngsor at 03:57 CDT, 30 August 2014

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wormed - Reply to #42

Uhh, you gotta be denser than mercury if you don't realize that big pharma benefits from disease.

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Klijngsor - Reply to #57

yes, but they are not the cause? Hellohooo???

<< Comment #76 @ 21:31 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #60

How do you even know that ?

Ebola bullshit going on in Africa, two us doctors get infected, go back to homeland and *puff* cured...

<< Comment #80 @ 05:07 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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Klijngsor - Reply to #76

I have cancer now, and that is not because of the pharma-industry, but because of comments like that - thank you dem0n :P

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<< Comment #82 @ 05:24 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #80

I genuinely can't believe we actually got to this point on the conspiracy theory scale :-D

<< Comment #89 @ 07:09 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #82

go back to getting raped by gienon's comments please I was not talking with you.

<< Comment #97 @ 09:07 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #89

I did not reply to your post. Don't let me distract you from getting your tinfoil hat.

<< Comment #101 @ 14:01 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #97

Care Bear land, this is the world you live in pal:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews...0986_1.jpg

HF there, let smart people try to think for themselves will ya.

<< Comment #102 @ 14:49 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #101

Given your history of people you think are smart, it renders the phrase completely useless.

Edited by [mash] at 14:53 CDT, 31 August 2014

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dem0n - Reply to #102

And what is that history exactly ?

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Naghokez - Reply to #101

If by "smart" you mean "misinformed" and "gullible", then sure, you're right up there :-) And no, not being a conspiracy theorist does not mean one is naïve, unaware of the political realities of the world, or that one lacks critical thinking skills.

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dem0n - Reply to #104

Calling everything that does not suit your vision of things a "conspiracy theory" is I find a fine definition for beeing naive.

Edited by dem0n at 15:28 CDT, 31 August 2014

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Naghokez - Reply to #106

I don't call "everything that does not suit [my] vision of things" a conspiracy theory. What I do call conspiracy theories are the ideas that "hospitals, medical companies, surgeons, doctors" purposively started the Ebola outbreak, and that Obama is actively pushing for WW3.

Edited by Naghokez at 16:09 CDT, 31 August 2014

<< Comment #111 @ 18:29 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #110

Gienon was right when he said you were a sneaky little one.

Picking a line that came from a guy you agree with that used some retarded example thinking he could make an analogy with a remarkable but failed attempt at sarcasm, and then making your contradictors look like they're the ones who have said that.

Dude you're setting the bar very high at beeing dishonest.

But what can I say, that seems to be your way of doing things. Comparing people who question the big pharmacology companies' way of doing things with people wearing tinfoil hats.

People like you, who can't make a distinct difference between people who believe aliens are amongst us or that we never walked on the moon and those who simply believe they might have gotten cheated on by their wives are just ridiculous. One day the boomerang will come right back in your chin for beeing such a fraud and a clown.

Edited by dem0n at 18:30 CDT, 31 August 2014

<< Comment #112 @ 19:16 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #111

Klijngsor mentioned that "hospitals, medical companies, surgeons, doctors" were not the cause behind the outbreaks of diseases despite profiting from the existence of the said diseases. You replied to his statement that they were not the cause with the question "How do you even know that?". That's you questioning his assertion that the actors he mentioned are not behind the outbreaks of diseases (in this case, Ebola). Like I said, I clearly consider the idea that the actors he mentioned (which I referred to with the quote - I wasn't attributing the quote itself to you) are behind the outbreak of Ebola to be a conspiracy theory. Did I say that questioning the motives and sometimes actions of pharmaceutical companies makes someone a conspiracy theorist? No.

Stop attempting to portray me as someone who rejects all questioning of political authority or systems of power. That's the very thing I do in my work as a social scientist. What I do reject is the kind of simplistic and Manichean rantings against "the evil elite" that come without any shred of evidence, understanding of the topic, and actual research on the issues, from people who think they're the only ones with common sense and critical thinking but are in reality completely oblivious to the fact that they're gulping anti-government drivel the same way others are gulping pro-government drivel. By endorsing ridiculous and simply false accusations like "Obama wants a 3rd World War", conspiracy theorists are doing a tremendous disservice to actual intelligent and researched questioning and analysis of government policies, structures of power, and mechanisms of diffusion of ideologies.

<< Comment #113 @ 19:26 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #112

I never said Obama wants war BTW.

Simple question for you: do you or do you not think some people MIGHT profit from a major scale wars, or from any smaller conflicts for that matter ?

If yes, then shut up for eternity and beyond, and let's close this topic. Got other things to do.

<< Comment #114 @ 19:36 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #113

I never argued you said it - I mentioned it as a conspiracy theory. You did + the very post in which wormed made the statement "Obama does want WW3", though, which does indicate support for what he wrote.

Of course many people profit from the existence of armed conflicts, from both the public and private sectors. And that's the point - this is investigated, studied, and analyzed seriously by plenty of people (albeit never enough), in particular social scientists. You won't find this type of research in youtube videos about the illuminati, the new world order, and Obama wanting WW3, or on the numerous popular conspiracy websites of the Infowars type.

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dem0n - Reply to #114

I don't do illuminati videos nor websites.

I just read both official media (in which there are also several different point of views you can gather eg Russia pov vs USA pov) and unorthodox, independant, alternative media off internet, and make my opinion based on the comparison.

Your domain is sociology from what I understand, mine is to analyze how the media filter and process the information they gather. That makes me probably more qualified than you when it comes to understanding the bias and the mecanisms between valuable information and distorted information.

If we dig a little deeper in that thought, I'm pretty sure everything you analyze comes from official, authorized sources which I have learned to be suspicious about in my field of interest. It has nothing to do with your constant banter about conspiracy theories and how much fun it sounds for you to ridicule it.

That conspiracy term has been used left and right to shut down any possible thought process about the world we live in. The way it works is just genius when you think about it: "hey someone thinks this politician might be corrupt, let's laugh at him for believing in aliens and putting a tinfoil hat on his head!"... wait what ?!

As I've said before, we do not live in Care Bear Land.

Wether or not USA wants to go to war is simply wether USA wants to continue beeing #1 in the world or if they want to get completely overwhelmed by their collapsing economy and their humongous debt. Heck, you're probably not thick enough to still believe USA attacked Afghanistan and Irak to get rid of terrorism, are you ? But maybe that's too "conspirationista" for you, I don't know... Tinfoil hat bra.

Edited by dem0n at 22:01 CDT, 31 August 2014

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wormed - Reply to #117

Sociology? Economics? Yea, that's about right. He speaks like a holier-than-thou retard that takes a plethora of useless classes and then regurgitates his textbooks.

Keep reading textbooks; stay ignorant to reality.

Naghokez, reminds me of this political cartoon I saw. In it, there was a tall wall, and a man standing in front of it. Drawn on the wall was a normal city scape, plants, trees, etc. Above the wall, was war, death, demise, dollar signs.

Again, the sad part about it is that mainstream media is so god damn retarded, and if anyone had a shred of logical thought, they'd see how utterly unbelievable it is.

He needs to get with the times. It's 2014, and the internet is full of information. Unfortunately, the higher powers are not out there to benefit the people. The moment this guy realizes it, maybe he'll start seeing things for what they are.

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<< Comment #130 @ 23:19 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #120

Yeah, who needs an education when you've got the internet and youtube videos about 9/11 being an inside job and Obama wanting to launch WW3. We've got you now, "higher powers"!

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wormed - Reply to #130

You know, a part of me wishes I was still ignorant, but unfortunately I'm not. In your case, ignorance is bliss... but it's still ignorance.

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<< Comment #133 @ 23:29 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #131

Since we're on the subject of your ignorance, do you also believe 9/11 was an inside job?

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wormed - Reply to #133

Ahhh, the litmus paper test for the masses. Clearly, if I think 9/11 is an inside job, I'm a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist! Meanwhile, there are projects like Architects and Engineer's for 9/11 truth that appeared on C-span, and brought forth legitimate questions as to what happened.

Was it an inside job? I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. However, if you had any iota of brain power, you'd probably sit there and question how the fuck some of the things that happened that day actually occurred. Instead, it seems you'd rather stick your wannabe intellectual head in the sand and scream petty insults like "conspiracy theorist" as if it's a negative.

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Naghokez - Reply to #137

I do know. If you're asking yourself if the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks, it didn't. Glad to have been of help.

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wormed - Reply to #141

Again, must be nice living in your world of ignorance but it's still ignorance.

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Naghokez - Reply to #143

I do ignore where exactly you got the idea that Obama wanted to start WW3. I'm confident there was robust peer-reviewing behind your source, though.

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wormed - Reply to #146

Wanted? Jesus, l2propertense. He wants to. WANTS. Fek.

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Naghokez - Reply to #147

I believe I have some leeway in this regard, but in any case you know you're doing great in a discussion when you've resorted to attacking the English grammar of a non-native speaker.

Edited by Naghokez at 23:57 CDT, 31 August 2014

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xero- ' - Reply to #130

Lmao, haven't seen someone crushed like this on ESR in a while. [+] for you.

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Naghokez - Reply to #117

My domain is political science, in particular international relations and security studies. I work as a research fellow. Please do not assume you are "more qualified than [me]" when it comes analyzing information, in particular information pertaining to political issues. I don't see the relevance of an argument from authority in any case.

The picture you are trying to paint of me listening carefully to what the government has to say is hilarious. So is the idea that you're going to get an in-depth understanding of any issue by comparing "official media" and "unorthodox, [...] alternative media off internet" and going with what feels plausible to you. Have you ever opened the pages of a scientific journal like Cultures & Conflits, for example? Or Security Dialogue? You'll find them full of articles which are brilliantly critical (in the scientific sense) of, and de-construct, structures and relations of power, narratives of conflict, etc., all through serious research and sometimes fieldwork. Please stop imagining that one lives in "carebear land" just because one has standards of evidence and of critical thinking that go a little beyond what your "unorthodox media" has to offer. And seriously, go open any issue of those two journals and tell me you can't find articles that challenge and question the types of political narratives that are often taken for granted.

The term "conspiracy theory" can indeed be used to silence legitimate criticism and questioning, but it can also be used to refer to exactly what I denounced and what you can find in wormed's posts (which you, again, + repeatedly, which says a lot), namely ignorant and oversimplified accusations on topics these people have little to no actual knowledge of, based on the idea that there's a unified elite controlling (almost) everything. Again, they do a disservice to actual research on political issues, and they're anything but the exercise of critical thinking.

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wormed - Reply to #129

If you think spouting off "conspiracy theorist" is a legitimate retort and can be used to silence anyone, maybe you should go back to school. No one here is going to do the digging for you because I'm sure it'd be met with the same blunt and ignorant "stone-wall" brainless approach.

You're a research "fellow"? Damn, you're terrible at your work.

Naming off journals like it's factual is the epitome of gullible ignorance. You do realize journals can be bought, right? You understand that there are many journals, even medical, that can be used in exactly this way -- give some basic econ major the idea that he's actually learning the truth.

Lol. GO READ THIS JOURNAL. BOOM! Because all studies are unbiased, right? Jesus, you're dumb.

Edited by wormed at 23:32 CDT, 31 August 2014

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Naghokez - Reply to #132

Did you read the sentence wrong? The first part was me agreeing with dem0n that the term is indeed sometimes used to attempt to silence valid criticism. Holy shit you're dense.

edit following your edit: yes, I know the quality of scientific journals varies, but there are several indicators you can use to get an idea of the journal's standards, for example the type of peer-reviewing and whether you have to pay to get in it. The two journals I listed as examples are excellent publications. But yeah, I'm sure in your mind they don't compare to your conspiracy websites.

Edited by Naghokez at 07:54 CDT, 1 September 2014

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wormed - Reply to #134

> The term "conspiracy theory" can indeed be used to silence legitimate criticism and questioning...

It can? Cool.

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Naghokez - Reply to #135

> Did you read the sentence wrong? The first part was me agreeing with dem0n that the term is indeed sometimes used to attempt to silence valid criticism. Holy shit you're dense.

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wormed - Reply to #136

> The term "conspiracy theory" can indeed be used to silence legitimate criticism and questioning...

It can? Cool.

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Naghokez - Reply to #139

What do you fail to understand about that sentence?

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dem0n - Reply to #129

My domain is political science, in particular international relations and security studies.

Which is probably one of the most recurrent domain for most of the high figures in politics nowadays, together with economists. Which is an indication in itself that it does not make you fraud-proof.

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Naghokez - Reply to #156

Who said it made me fraud-proof? You're the one who mistakenly said my domain was probably sociology, and who proceeded to assert you were more qualified than me to analyze information.

Edited by Naghokez at 09:48 CDT, 1 September 2014

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dem0n - Reply to #158

Not to analyze information in itself. Information is a pretty general term. I'd say I'm more qualified to distinguish how the same information can be displayed by different sources...

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Naghokez - Reply to #160

And I'd say you're not, at least when it comes to the type of information we've been talking about here. But let's agree to disagree.

Edited by Naghokez at 17:42 CDT, 1 September 2014

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flocks - Reply to #160

> I'd say I'm more qualified

I'm genuinely curious: Why do you believe this is true?

I'm not saying I agree with you or disagree with you. I'm not setting you up for a trick or to troll you. I just want to know, since you seem to believe it to be the case. =)

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dem0n - Reply to #251

Basic rage-inducing rant because I got fed up by him showing up his credentials in order to try and turn the argument around in his favour :).

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flocks - Reply to #254

Okie dokie. Thank you.

See? No tricks. :D

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Naghokez - Reply to #254

Where did I do that?

edit since you're not answering: you're the one who brought up your domain of expertise, and assigned one to me, in order to "prove" that you were more qualified than me at analyzing treatment of information. Not the other way around.

Edited by Naghokez at 21:00 CDT, 4 September 2014

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wormed - Reply to #104

The irony of being called gullible and misinformed by you is hilarious but it'll probably be lost on you.

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Naghokez - Reply to #115

Right - don't let this thread make you forget your daily dose of Alex Jones though, you don't want to miss any of that enlightening stuff on Obama's upcoming 3rd world war.

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wormed - Reply to #116

Sad. Maybe when the EU crumbles, you'll read some real news.

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Naghokez - Reply to #118

No, I'll probably be too busy scraping for food in the nuclear wasteland that Europe will have become. If only the sheeple had listened to you...!

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wormed - Reply to #121

Maybe your town can get shelled by a puppet government instead. That'd probably happen before nuclear war. You can knock on demon's door and he can say, "I told you so" for all of us.

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Naghokez - Reply to #122

Yeah, those damn Illuminati sure know how to make their puppet governments dance!

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wormed - Reply to #123

I'd say clearly but ... y'know.

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Naghokez - Reply to #124

I know, you have an Inforwars show to catch. Go crazy.

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dem0n - Reply to #123

Why do you keep on bringing that Illuminati stuff, little one ?

They don't even have an official website, however Bilderberg's group does if you want: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/

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wormed - Reply to #125

Pssst, he's not very bright.

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ProT ' - Reply to #125

Don't forget The Paris Club.

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Naghokez - Reply to #125

Is that supposed to be news to anyone? Should your post have been accompanied by a dramatic sound effect?

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wormed - Reply to #138

I got a sound effect for you:

*whooosh*

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Naghokez - Reply to #140

Is that the sound inside of what's between your ears?

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wormed - Reply to #144

You may have understood what I meant but I'm going to pretend you didn't.

lol, no, dumbass. Whoosh, right over your head. I need to write an email to your University. It's clear you need a refund.

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Naghokez - Reply to #145

I did understand, yes, which is why my reply to you also referred to the sound the wind makes, implying an empty head. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

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wormed - Reply to #148

... I just said that you may ha... ...

...

wow.

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Naghokez - Reply to #149

And I confirmed it, but you seem to enjoy pretending, including that you know what you're talking about.

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[mash] - Reply to #149

Holy shit. This goes way over your head and you know it. That's why you act all sarcastic and 'cool', while being envious of that Belgian dudes education.

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wormed - Reply to #153

My mom says I'm cool.

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dem0n - Reply to #138

I'm just wondering why you have to justify your "such wow rational, such wow scientific, such wow objective" points of view by a full attempt at sarcasm everytime. Aliens, Illuminati...

To me it sounds like a delusional kid who's got his dreams crushed when he discovered that the aliens may not invade us after all and that we did actually walk on the moon, turning him into a ferocious anti-conspiracy theorist, and seeing his own self in every person who tries to go against the order of things.

So stop making fun of wormed by going full retard everytime and get down to earth with the rest of us.

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Naghokez - Reply to #155

Please, I've replied to you and wormed seriously plenty of times, I've even sent you a conciliatory PM to explain my stance better, and you keep misrepresenting my position as if I was out of touch with reality because I do not fall for the oversimplified drivel you seem to be fond of. I've explained clearly to you the difference between actual questioning and research on the one hand and conspiracy theories on the other. If you don't feel like making the effort to actually read in-depth scientific analysis of those issues to educate yourself and prefer to indulge in the black and white world views that make everything seem so simple to understand, that's your problem, but don't be surprised when ridiculous assertions of the type "Obama wants to start WW3" (I know it didn't come from you, but you still seem to adhere to it) get made fun of by people who actually know what they're talking about.

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wormed - Reply to #157

At least you said "wants" instead of "wanted"

EDIT: Oh and made fun of? I'm genuinely not taking offense by anything you say. You're more than welcome to pump yourself up with repeatedly calling me a conspiracy theorist. You know, if that gets you hard and all.

...weirdo.

Edited by wormed at 10:04 CDT, 1 September 2014

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[mash] - Reply to #162

Where does your extensive knowledge on the matter of international politics come from, if I dare ask?

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wormed - Reply to #163

Oh, I wasn't aware I needed a plethora of useless courses from University to talk about a subject.

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[mash] - Reply to #164

Where did I say that?
How is academical education useless?
Where does your extensive knowledge on the matter of international politics come from, if I dare ask?

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wormed - Reply to #165

The world.

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[mash] - Reply to #166

Okay, cool.

Care to answer my second question?

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wormed - Reply to #167

Clearly, economics and politics is a volatile subject. The biggest issue stems from the idea (or fact) that politics, in and of itself, is pock marked with corruption and back door dealings. Now, I could live in a dream world like my Belgian friend, but unfortunately, I don't. With this in mind, is it plausible that education today is not up to date? Is it plausible that education today isn't truthful, as it is based on lies in the first place? Is it plausible -- and you can find instances of this online -- that professors who seek to teach contemporary politics are fired, removed from tenure and seemingly made to look like "tin foil hat wearing" kooks? Is it plausible that political journals, which is being used as a basis for argument, can be rife with bias?

Most of those are rhetorical because the answer is obviously yes.

To ask anyone where their extensive knowledge of <insert subject> comes from is ridiculous. There is diploma/degree/masters/PhD worthy information on the internet. You may be formally educated in making badass latte's at Starbucks with little unicorns in the foam, but that doesn't mean you don't go home and read copious amounts of whatever subject truly interests you. Am I interested in politics? Not really, but I do like to keep informed. Whether or not you think my "informed" is based on conspiracy theories is your own opinion. However, the biggest issue is that too many people are closed to the idea that things aren't as flowers and rainbows as they think it is. I do find it funny that I'm being accused of not being a critical thinker. The irony is there for me to laugh at but again, it isn't found in certain people.

Oh, but to answer your second question: you got me, academics is not useless. I have an assortment of courses that I'll never really use to their full extent but were they useless? I guess not.

Edited by wormed at 10:43 CDT, 1 September 2014

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[mash] - Reply to #168

Now, I could live in a dream world like my Belgian friend, but unfortunately, I don't.

How the hell could you get that impression? Seriously?

Is it plausible that education today isn't truthful, as it is based on lies in the first place?

What lies are these?

Is it plausible that -- and you can find instances of this online -- that professors who seek to teach contemporary politics are fired, removed from tenure and seemingly made to look like "tin foil hat wearing" kooks?

Well, you really should be precise here, because if this happened to a legit professor, I'd reckon he could just find another university and keep on teaching.

Is it plausible that political journals, which is being used as a basis for argument, can be rife with bias?

Depends on the political journal, does it not? The problem is: You say that they COULD be rife with bias, so you don't read them?! There's a list of scientific journals on the topic, if you're interested. Thousands of pages of knowledge, scientific research and opinions.
I assume that not all of them are obligated to the Status Quo or "the elites".
And to go even further, and to give a counter example to your fired professors: What if I was a PhD who writes a critical article which gets published in one of those journals. That would be evidence of them being unbiased, no?

So I get you're a student, too, right? Wouldn't you say you have a field of expertise in which you excel MUCH better than people who read some stuff on the internet?
Because the difference between learning and specializing on a topic for 10+ fucking years is that you're much better at understanding and using the information that is given.

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wormed - Reply to #169

I hate when people dissect posts. It's weak. So I'm going to ignore those parts.

Regarding political journals, sure, it could depend on the political journal, it could depend on the person writing it, it could depend on who is sponsoring/funding the journal, it could depend on who is sponsoring/funding the author, it could depend on a countless list of element which could lead to a tainted article. Maybe you didn't read the whole "am I interested in politics?" part of my reply. No, I don't read journals because I don't care to dig deep into politics. I care about news. I care about seeing both sides of the puzzle. Reading some trite research article on a subject that probably has nothing to do with the current situation in Ukraine, for example, means little to me. Will it allow me to impress people on ESReality because I can regurgitate author names and journals which seemingly gives me divine authority on "truth"? Apparently.

Once a professor is given a "scarlet letter" in academia, it isn't as simple as, "welp, time to go apply to the OTHER ivy league school!" Academia is immensely tied to each other and generally supportive of the decisions each make.

Here's an example: recently, a whistleblower just came out and revealed that some scientific data was removed from an intensive study regarding MMR vaccines and autism. You can easily google this and find that this isn't some "conspiracy theory", it's out there now in most mainstream outlets. It'll probably get buried extremely quickly, however. Anyway, one of the original doctors to find that there was an increase in autism in relation to African-American boys and MMR vaccines, he attempted to have this information out into the world. I believe his name was Dr. Wakefield. He was made into a kook, a crazy person, and as you know, the correlation between autism and vaccines has been trampled on for years. He wasn't allowed to just join some other hospital or University or think tank to conduct any more research. He was made into a crazy pariah and ousted from the academic community. This is just an example of the power. It isn't hard to silence a critic or to simply blast them with publicity that paints them in a "crazy" light. (Also, this study doesn't say vaccines cause autism, just that there was a strong correlation between MMR vaccine and African American boys <36 months old -- for my own opinion, I think vaccines have done great things but these are facts that should be told, and they were systematically removed from the study.)

So to go with your last paragraph, that study made it to many scientific journals. Many took it as fact. So, with that said, I choose to find and utilize information from a plethora of sources and never limiting myself to just one side of the story. If I read a journal that was corrupt and essentially a "pay-to-publish", I've already fucked myself. So no, I don't find that someone educated on politics or economics in today's educational system to be better than information and education you can find online.

Edited by wormed at 11:35 CDT, 1 September 2014

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[mash] - Reply to #170

But why do you think a student of International Relations only listens to one side of the story?
Why do you assume that he just regurgitates author names and journals?

I, too, choose to find as much sources as possible and never limit myself to one side of the story, but I would never state that 'Obama wants World War 3', because that's one hell of a stupid remark.

And what about my last paragraph? The actual last.

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wormed - Reply to #171

Because I've read his posts.

EDIT:

Comparing what I'm educated in and what he is educated in is extremely different and, in my opinion, hardly comparable. I have a Kinesiology background and am working towards my MscPT. Fortunately, there isn't any real corruption when it comes to how the body functions. I mean, we could talk about big pharma, but that's another can of worms. However, if we're simply talking about what I'm educated in, then it is simply how the body functions and all that entails.

I will say this though, there are definitely studies out there that are published that attempt to show correlations between say, "a new sport drink" and its benefits. This is where I need to understand the study, the controls, the variables, the data as a whole. I have found many studies that I have deemed unacceptable when it comes to using them as legitimate examples in papers. Do I find lots of data I agree with online? Definitely. Do I find lots of data I don't agree with in journals? For sure.

Is it possible for me to run into someone who doesn't have the same education as me and still school me in current, contemporary ideas? Totally. My girlfriend is a massage therapist, and although she doesn't necessarily have the "excess" education (you know, the bullshit fluff option courses one needs to obtain a degree), but her focus is strictly on her craft. This allows her to still give me insight and teach me things I don't know.

EDIT 2: "but I would never state that 'Obama wants World War 3'", what you find stupid is plausible to many others. Obviously, using such a bombastic term like "World War 3" is meant to describe the gravitas of the situation. Will it become a World War? Maybe. However, will it progress into the USA/NATO progressing into eastern Europe? Will we see more illegal wars with the middle east? I lean towards probably.

Edited by wormed at 12:03 CDT, 1 September 2014

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[mash] - Reply to #172

He disagrees with you and he explained why. Problem?

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wormed - Reply to #173

He can disagree all he wants. The problem is that it isn't necessarily based on all the data. For example, taking something out of context doesn't paint the whole picture. The difference between him and I, at least when it comes to news, is I at least know both sides of the story. I then choose to believe the one that makes the most sense. I don't, however, give a shit about how many journals he's read as it's irrelevant.

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Naghokez - Reply to #174

That's the thing - it's not irrelevant at all. Without the type of research that I mentioned, you're left with absolutely nothing but a "gut feeling", and what you consider to be "common sense", to "choose to believe" whatever simplified version of a complex issue appears the most likely to you. You have no understanding of the underlying dynamics of these complex social phenomena and political crises, and of these objects themselves, but you think that by listening to "both sides of the story" you can have a perfectly informed opinion. Sorry to disappoint you, but it requires a little bit more work than that, and the fact that you see a story as having "two sides" clearly underlines that you fail to grasp that being knowledgeable on an issue precisely requires going beyond the two (or more... saying "two sides" is in itself a simplification) militant versions of the object of study, and approach it scientifically (not limiting yourself to what the actors themselves have to say about it), in particular in its wider context. That you think I limit myself to "one side of the story" and base my opinion on it means not only that you are mistaken about me but also that you completely fail to understand the type of research and the scientific approach I've defended here.

Edited by Naghokez at 17:40 CDT, 1 September 2014

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #155

can you "down to earth" guys have a bit more humility when it comes to something as complex as how the world works?

it's kinda tough to take someone my age seriously when he acts as if he's a 60 year old historian or a fucking head of state

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<< Comment #90 @ 07:12 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #80

Oh right, I'm not saying they spread ebola themselves, I'm just saying if you're so thick that you can't see that every once in a while they come up with some bullshit potentially pandemic disease so that they can sell their products then there's nothing to save with you and I'm genuinely relieved you out of anyone else have got cancer.

Yeah harsch I know :F, but in this world I'm getting fedup with thoughtless sheeps after a while.

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Klijngsor - Reply to #90

are you saying I'm fat?

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wormed - Reply to #80

If you don't believe this world is rife with suppressed technology/medicine, there's no hope for you.

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[mash] - Reply to #76

What are you trying to say?

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dem0n - Reply to #91

http://www.esreality.com/post/2651424/#pid2651418

It is also clear that we do have the means to cure it, we just don't care enough for starving african niggers, they're expendable.

<< Comment #93 @ 08:27 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #92

How is that "clear"? Because there's a 50/50 chance that a new drug might work?

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dem0n - Reply to #93

A quick google search to find back that story that just made me grin a little:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/0...-to-speak/

Miraculous. Indeed...

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[mash] - Reply to #100

In any case, what would you say if they bring in an untested drug and kill a thousand people instead of saving them?

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dem0n - Reply to #103

Go say that to the 1500+ africans who already died.

And your kind call me a "gullible" person... I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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Naghokez - Reply to #25

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. Obama wants everything but a war. One of the pillars of his foreign policy stance since his first mandate has precisely been to "rebuild at home", painting an unstable economy as a security threat to the U.S. You do realize that wars increase the debt, right?

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wormed - Reply to #28

Um, you got absolutely no clue yourself. One of his foreign policy stances? Do you realize that Obama has broken every single promise he made? Do you realize he's put the USA in more debt than Bush did? Do you realize he's started more wars than the Bush administration combined?

You do realize that when I say he wants a war because they're trillions of dollars in debt, I mean it. The pretence of war is simply the rallying cry he needs to essentially ignore the debt. The continuation of "raising the debt" ceiling, and the continuation of "borrowing" money that doesn't even exist. This will increase the debt, yes, but this is essentially a way for people to FORGET ABOUT IT.

You're a god damn IDIOT if you think Obama has done anything for the USA but continue its downward fall.

Edited by wormed at 18:35 CDT, 29 August 2014

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Naghokez - Reply to #29

No, Obama has not broken every single promise he made, that's ridiculous hyperbole - he's broken many, and not broken many others, like pretty much every other elected official. He inherited an economy that was in free-fall, which makes the debt increase completely unsurprising. Deficits have been slowly going down since 2009. I'm not sure what's the relevance of attempting to attack him on the debt increase. From your railing against raising the debt ceiling (something which doesn't even need to be raised in almost any other country on the planet because they don't have a nonsensical debt ceiling in the first place) and against borrowing money which you think "doesn't even exist", I'm going to conclude that you indeed do not have the slightest idea about economics and advise you to take a course or read a book on the subject that isn't endorsed by Ron Paul. In addition, I wasn't even talking about his electoral promises but about his actual foreign policy approach in office.

With regards to your affirmation that he's "started more wars than the Bush administration", I'd reply that's hardly true unless you consider sending military advisers/personnel to countries already engulfed in conflict/civil wars as "starting a war" (I have a feeling that's what you were referring to, for example with U.S. involvement in Uganda). Even in Libya, the civil war was already going on before NATO's intervention. In any case, all of that is hardly comparable to Bush's starting of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I do realize that you mean it, because like I said it's painfully obvious you do not know what you're talking about. You are referring to something that's called in social sciences the "rally around the flag effect", which is typically short-term and would in this case probably be virtually non-existent for a conflict not supported by the American population (see the polls on U.S. involvement in Ukraine) and that in your scenario would be seen as having been created/escalated by the U.S. It would in addition hardly make the public forget about the economic situation, especially given the current emphasis on debt levels and the impact on the debt that a new war would have. In short, your assertion that Obama "does want WW3" is completely baseless & non-factual, and basically only rooted in your extremely simplistic and probably largely uneducated understanding of politics.

I'd like to add that I'm very critical of many aspects of Obama's foreign policy, since I'm guessing that your binary worldview is inevitably going to lead you to consider me a militaristic neoconservative sheep just because I pointed out that it is factually false to assert that Obama would like a war to erupt. Again, he would prefer the exact opposite, namely a quiet foreign policy front allowing him to focus on the economy and preventing the Republicans from accusing him of not doing enough to protect U.S. interests abroad and the security of American citizens (they are currently exploiting the rise of ISIS and the situation with regards to Russia exactly in that manner).

edit: not surprised by the quality of your reply below :-)

Edited by Naghokez at 21:45 CDT, 29 August 2014

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wormed - Reply to #32

Confirmed clueless Belgian. Take your basic econ 201 class and keep pretending you're in the know.

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gienon - Reply to #32

As if your view of the economy (or at least the policy proposals and sparse analysis I've seen from you) extends an inch beyond the circular flow/AS-AD crude caricature ;D I'm also pretty sure I've read a post from you, in which you went full "labour theory of value" retard but I don't have the direct link, so I will not advise you to take a course or read a book on the subject that isn't endorsed by Robert Reich. Keep thinking "your side" lets the facts do the talking, as opposed to those dogmatic end-the-fed-cheering, birth-control-denying white male racist creationists.

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Naghokez - Reply to #49

Sorry, Mises and Rothbard apologists do not get to lecture others on facts :-) And no, that was most likely not me defending LTV. This discussion was about foreign policy anyway, and I have a feeling you don't disagree with what I said to wormed on the matter.

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gienon - Reply to #52

Any sources in particular you can direct me to, so that I can stop being an apologist for two radical Jews?

It's remarkable how you produce a wall of text in response to someone who says Obama is pushing for a world war but dismiss a genuine objection to your outlook on the economy with a single sentence. I begin to see why you fancy yourself a scholar.

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Naghokez - Reply to #59

I'm not interested in debating economics with you. Why should I force myself to follow your derailment of the issue that was being discussed? If you don't want to discuss foreign policy, that's your problem, not mine.

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gienon - Reply to #61

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know you're the only one who can question your debater's economic expertise in a discussion about foreign policy.

From your railing against raising the debt ceiling (...) and against borrowing money which you think "doesn't even exist", I'm going to conclude that you indeed do not have the slightest idea about economics and advise you to take a course or read a book on the subject that isn't endorsed by Ron Paul.

I'll shut up now.

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Naghokez - Reply to #63

Yes, that was me mentioning in passing the points which had been tied to Obama's foreign policy by the original poster. I'm not sure how you got from this that I was interested in discussing with you economic matters completely unrelated to foreign policy. I hope I've cleared the confusion. Don't hesitate to ask if you need me to bold and underline the statement "I'm not interested in debating economics with you" to help you process it.

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gienon - Reply to #64

No, you responded to the deficit charge earlier in the paragraph. Then you proceeded to assert two things: 1. debt ceiling is pointless, 2. government doesn't borrow non-existent money, and without a single word of explanation you concluded, as if those assertions were in and of themselves proof enough, that he is clueless about economics.

Second of all, excuse me while I don't care what you're interested in discussing. You declined to offer sources and rested your case on ridiculing Mises and Rothbard (which I have substantial evidence from this forum that you haven't read much or even at all) and then decided to draw an arbitrary line between what constitutes a "derailment of the issue" and a mention "in passing the points (...) by the original poster", although, as I've shown in the first paragraph, your mention was so much "in passing" that you haven't bothered to explain what was wrong about those points. Simply stating them revealed the inherent contradiction, according to you. Don't get too much up in arms when I did the exact same thing to the circular flow and AS-AD, which I read you view the economy through on a number of occasions (consciously or not).

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Naghokez - Reply to #65

Yes, those two things were, as I said, "me mentioning in passing the points which had been tied to Obama's foreign policy by the original poster". Do you understand what "in passing" means? And indeed, from his statements on the matter, I concluded that he was clueless about those points. Since I'm not interested in discussing economics, though, I did not and will not elaborate further. Have I mentioned that I'm not interested in discussing economics?

I don't doubt for one second that you have plenty of evidence I haven't read either of these authors - probably the kind of flawless evidence that led you to state that you were "pretty sure" I defended LTV somewhere, even though that's completely false. Who's getting "up in arms"? You're apparently disappointed I decided not to follow your derailment, and have visibly chosen to vent your frustration by dragging on a discussion that is, unfortunately for you, still not going to be about economics. I thought you were going to shut up? Or was this your way of telling me you do need the statement in bold and underlined to get it? Here you go: I'm not interested in debating economics with you.

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gienon - Reply to #66

Yes, while I expose your double standard in what arguments you find allowable to you on one hand and people you disagree with on the other, proceed to rephrasing your position and adding some highly advanced, I presume, psychoanalysis about my state of mind.

I purposefully used the same faulty argument on you that you have one post above used on wormed and watched you come up with an arbitrary distinction how yours was just so much on-topic while mine was a "derailment of the issue".

Yes, you need to express yourself in bold because a very small fraction of the population is smart enough to grasp the wisdom bestowed upon you. Keep operating under that assumption and I'm sure you'll get a call from Stockholm at some point. Or was that your attempt at humor? If so, brains AND wits!

That's my stop, I guess. I will not read your third attempt at rephrasing what you already have written previously. I probably wouldn't understand it anyway, would I? I'm sure there's gotta be a Mises or Rothbard statement somewhere to be apologetic about.

Edited by gienon at 15:04 CDT, 30 August 2014

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Naghokez - Reply to #67

There is no double standard - I replied rapidly to comments he made (and linked to Obama's foreign policy) while pointing our that I did not see their relevance, and you decided to butt in and derail the discussion into a debate on economics linked to previous exchanges between us you half imagined. Again, I'm sorry you were disappointed I did not follow suit.

Since you now seem to have grasped that we were not going to discuss economics, and since despite jumping in the exchange you weren't interested in discussing foreign policy in the first place, your posts now seem to revolve around getting a good last word in to secure a dignified exit. I hope you're happy with your latest performance, since this will hopefully spare us you going back for the third time on your wise decision to shut up.

Edited by Naghokez at 15:27 CDT, 30 August 2014

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Anonymous (90.44.42.168) - Reply to #29

Yep. Obama put USA in more depts Volume then USA in his entire hostory since Lincoln. And all this in less than a decade :s

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flocks - Reply to #37

> put USA in more depts Volume then USA in his entire hostory since Lincoln.

Incorrect. I don't like our current guy, but that info you said is plain wrong.

In 1865, national debt was 2.6 Billion:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd...histo2.htm

Debt grew from $10 Trillion at end of 2008(he took office Jan., 2009):

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd...histo5.htm

to $17 Trillion, currently:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

So, it has increased by ~$7 Trillion since taking office. Meanwhile, from lincoln through 2008, it went up by almost $10 Trillion.

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This part of the post in just inflation-based facts:

What cost $17,000,000,000,000(17 trillion) in 2013 would cost $1,132,675,689,761.07(1.132 trillion) in 1865, had inflation never occurred from 1865 until 2013. I would have used 2014 but the websites I found only went up to 2013. Some also only went back to 1913 so I had to do some digging. D:

In other words, if the much smaller USA had equivalent debt as today, it would be $1.132 Trillion dollars. Though, the population back then was only about 35 million people(just over 10% of today's population).

Edited by flocks at 21:49 CDT, 30 August 2014

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Anonymous (90.44.42.168) - Reply to #71

did you just said no while proving what i said was right?

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flocks - Reply to #109

lol

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Aquashark - Reply to #25

Obama does want WW3. They're broke. They're trillions of dollars in debt. You know how you fix that? You create a phoney war.

isn't it more simple not to pay? who's gonna strongarm US into paying anyway?
they can hardly squeeze their money back out of Greece, ffs

conspiratards always with the most byzantine/outlandish scenarios..

Edited by Aquashark at 02:34 CDT, 30 August 2014

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gienon - Reply to #39

No country has it easy on the bond market soon after a default. The last thing the US government wants is to pay through their nose in interest to bondholders or balance a budget over one year. I'm not saying he's right but that's how he might respond to you, in keeping with the reasoning in his previous post.

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Aquashark - Reply to #51

then all they need is keep printing like they're doing now

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oskid - Reply to #53

I guess they can't keep printing money because it's works exactly like taxes. The more money they print the less society will have in their pockets, I mean the less products they can buy with this money. It's called inflation. Because this thievery, Americans getting poorer and poorer so they could make revolution.

Edited by oskid at 05:36 CDT, 31 August 2014

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #53

That sure worked for the Zimbabwean dollar for three decades in a row (till they abandoned any notion of national currency as a result of turbo-hyperinflation), and is working out just as fine for the Japanese Yen right now. TO THE PRINTING MACHINES!

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Aquashark - Reply to #236

this analogy makes no sense. USD has the quality of being both petrodollar and an international currency.
the US is the issuer of a de facto transnational currency. who would really check on them?
the power projection of the US navy/army keeps this hegemony in place too of course.

as for Zimbabwe, well.. can you see how ridiculous this is?

Edited by Aquashark at 10:46 CDT, 4 September 2014

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #237

"Being both petrodollar (worolol) and an international currency" doesn't make a currency unit magically immune from inflation, it's regulated from within. And nothing keeps the NASDAQ climbing as well as maintaining the appearence for the need of the US Army/Navy to the general public like a good ole' conflict.

<< Comment #78 @ 21:53 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #21

Yeah, like how did they capitalize after ww2 ?

Oh bro, they only just dominated the entire world for the next 70 years...

Fact is there NEEDS to be a world war not only to divert the population of the world from their crimes (like you know, making money out of thin air for decades) but also to make sure their world dominance remains.

What do you think will happen if they just sit back and relax while their economy collapses and the population decides to hang them up on trees, all the while China and India rise to become the world's center of economic and military wealth ? Oh right, I basically answered that already in the same sentence.

Third world war is happening sadly, and we're not talking about 10 or 30 millions of deaths this time, I think we can easily aim for half a billion this time around.

That will also make those "depopulation" psychos happy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGEbLJfDnSY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwMOoIJr5U

And if you think they care about so many deaths, then I shall remind you the 2008 food bubble crisis operated by those reckless bastards through speculation that led 250 millions more people in a state of starvation in the world.

They dont fucking care about human lives or how many cities are gonna get destroyed...

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noacc - Reply to #78

those are good points, but one thing I still do not get. Lets say it is WW3 what is going to happen? Nuclear missiles will be used, that basically means that in some hours North America, Europe, Asia and Australia will be no more, they all will be raze to the ground, that will probably take away at least 2/3 of the globe population. So my question is the same how and what exactly are they going to rule after basically nothing is left.

Big difference with WW2 there were no nuclear weapons. And after the war there were still alot of people alive, territories are still usable etc.

Edited by noacc at 06:17 CDT, 31 August 2014

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dem0n - Reply to #87

I still believe world war 3 is not gonna happen directly between the US and Russia, but at first through Israel and probably Iran of some sort, which would inevitably make all muslim states at war against Israël, which would then include USA because they will have to protect Israël, etc.

I am no nuclear bomb expert but it's not gonna take a few hours and then puff there's nothing left. It takes quite a few strikes to decimate an entire country especially if they have means to counter long distance nuclear heads like both Russia and USA have.

Also I tend to think nuclear usage will be delayed as much as possible by any side as it means that once one of those bombs is released the other side is gonna answer in the same way.

I believe that the third world war "unified" enemy will be Islam, according to all the propaganda we've seen the past decades and how occident tries so hard to put unstable extremists at the head of middle east countries (look at lybia, egypt, irak and how they tried to get rid of Al Assad) much like Hitler was the unified enemy in WW2.

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noacc - Reply to #88

This way it makes more sens. But I wouldn't call this world war as alot of countries wouldn't be invovled in this. Regarding nuclear weapons, both RU and US have their submarines near each other coasts. One barrage of one nuclear submarine is enough to bypass missile shield and annihilate most of the population of one continent. Also there are ocean spanning missles and strategic bombers with nuclear missiles for both sides. Currently there is no technology to counter this, because otherwise we would have had WW3 already.

Edited by noacc at 08:51 CDT, 31 August 2014

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wormed - Reply to #95

I don't think it needs to involve more countries for it to be a "World War." World War's didn't involve many (in grand scheme of things) countries. However, if there were to be one, I think it'd include all of us, mainly due to the destructive technology we now have. One nuclear device going off is dire for everyone, regardless of where it lands.

Edited by wormed at 08:57 CDT, 31 August 2014

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ProT ' - Reply to #20

Fucking radioactive lizard fascist jews!

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Anonymous (90.44.42.168) - Reply to #22

Anything better to do with your life than troll on internet?

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Aquashark - Reply to #36

clearly better than whatever you're trying to convey

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<< Comment #45 @ 04:22 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #36

ProT spelled backwards is TorP.

Coincidence?
I think it's an inside job.

<< Comment #58 @ 08:57 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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ProT ' - Reply to #36

Fucking radioactive lizard fascist trolls!

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #22

Tomorrow... I think I'll hang out with myself again,
Maybe even sport someone else's skin.
So if you hear some other cat kicking my rhymes,
Just remember his intestines might just be mine.
Cause any one of these 6 billion civilians could very well be this reptilian.
No matter how resilient or brilliant you think you are,
If i decide that i need a new host,
Somebody's pretty little shell's gonna get a new ghost.

(c) Prince William

Jew Alpha-Centaurian Lizard Satanist Kabal Conspriacy Proof INFA 245%

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son1dow - Reply to #22

lmao

<< Comment #24 @ 17:18 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #20

I'd like to add Israel in the asymmetric genocides.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #20

That's why they should learn economy from Mises instead of Keynes :P

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skint

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M8...wbOCDO472B

<< Comment #10 @ 07:31 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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terrorhead

Lol so much propaganda and bs on their twitter. How are they any better than the Russians?

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aiken - Reply to #10

Are they in their own country?

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terrorhead - Reply to #11

I'm talking about their irrational hatred of all Russian people. Read their tweets, its ridiculous.

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aiken - Reply to #12

You probably meant this one: "Meanwhile, an Australian crocodile has bitten a Russian tourist". I agree, this was really inappropriate. No one can blame Russian citizens for what their government do. However everyone shall try to promote peace and condemn aggression. War is the worst solution always and the right is on the defending side.

Most of the tweets are just bare information. However it is always better to follow many sources of information. This site was just the most visually describing current situation.

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terrorhead - Reply to #14

Yeah I agree with that. Its just hard to find unbiased info. War is always ugly. I was born and raised in Croatia and lived thru 90s wars so I know all about lies, propaganda and bs :(

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aiken - Reply to #15

Yea. I was on this summer's vacation in Croatia, Montenegro and Bosnia. I still saw echoes of this war, especially in Bosnia and Herzegovina (Sarajevo/Mostar). Even though it ended 20 years ago. When you read history and visit such places it makes huge impact on how you see the war. Most of the people here on ESR has no clue what it really is. I'm not saying that I have, but at least I try to understand.

Edited by aiken at 09:22 CDT, 29 August 2014

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_agu

it has already begun from a long time dude

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<< Comment #19 @ 14:46 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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aiken

http://znak.com/moscow/articles/25-08-19-49/102823 (in Russian language)

Edited by aiken at 14:46 CDT, 29 August 2014

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<< Comment #23 @ 16:00 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #19

Nice article, seems to be honest one. Although author seems a bit out of this world, I mean he was going to visit place where the war is going on what did he expect to see there? All the "human rights" being carefully preserved?

Edited by noacc at 16:00 CDT, 29 August 2014

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qtip

They should make a Merkel-Putin pact. Germany gets Poland(=East-Prussia) and the Baltic states, Austria gets western Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia and Chech, and Russia eastern Ukraine.

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<< Comment #43 @ 04:05 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #35

Even Austria is not dumb enough to get involved with those idiots in west Ukraine....

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aiken - Reply to #35

Germany already has Poland under the sign of Europe Union. Hitler tried so hard but it was that simple :)

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pacmanpl - Reply to #46

But we are stealing cars from them. Who's the real winner?!

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #55

I think Germany still is since after stealing those useless trash-cans you will have to go back and either buy the overpriced repair parts or steal them once they break after 1 week of moderate use.

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doom2

LOL ALL NOOB BRAINWASHED MEDIA JOKE OBAMA IS ILLUMINATI SEKRET ALLY PUTIN START WAR RULE WORDL 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB 2PAC IS ALIVE $$$$$

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<< Comment #50 @ 07:17 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #48

wtf is 9/11? i thought perfect setting is 6/11...

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deadlift - Reply to #48

WW3 RUN FOR YOUR LIVES 911 times 5342627, THE JOOS, FEDERAL RESERVE HOAX #ILLUMINATI #NWO

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #48

tupac alive in russia tupac make album of russia, tupac fast rap russia.
we are rich now hahaha we have gold now because of steal from gypsy romania in ww2.
president bardack obama fukc the great satan and lay egg
this egg hatch and new ukraina was born
stupif baby form this egg gibe back our clay or we crush you like the skull of pig
RUSSIA GREATST COUNTREY
russian horses hahaha faster than ukraina horses we steal all your horses
YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE TO GIVE BACK THE CLAY!

<< Comment #68 @ 15:05 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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H1ghlander

Brace Yourself
Prepare your europeens asses for rape

Donald Tusk from Poland is comming to Council of Europe

to fuck all europeons ;> like he did with polish people.

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pacmanpl - Reply to #68

Did he learn how to pronounce "r" already?

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H1ghlander - Reply to #81

He can't pronounce because he always fail at this while lying :p

also he can't speak english ofcourse

<< Comment #70 @ 15:54 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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netnobody

Fuck politics. Stuff that is going to happen is not really in our hands so let's focus on stuff that is important and in our hands.

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deadlift - Reply to #70

ITEM TIMERS LOADOUTS NOOBMODE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES QL 2.0

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ProT ' - Reply to #73

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_agu - Reply to #74

I just plus it because Iron Maiden

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rehepapp

I wonder where is demiurge. Must be busy astroturfing on reddit.

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<< Comment #79 @ 23:44 CDT, 30 August 2014 >>

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<< Comment #84 @ 05:41 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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mdv

after ukraine comes the rest of the eastern europe. just pushing russian troops in random countries for no reason...and in the end, everyone will be forced to play on laggy russian servers. THE HORROR!!!

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H1ghlander - Reply to #84

but first we will be forced to play CS style game with 1 life per round :P

Edited by H1ghlander at 05:44 CDT, 31 August 2014

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<< Comment #108 @ 15:42 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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aiken

http://tvrain.ru/articles/ekskljuziv_dozhdja_...mi-374751/ (russian)
http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&am...-374751%2F (english translation)

Truth or propaganda?

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noacc - Reply to #108

This is Dojd channel, well known for anti russian propaganda inside ru.

<< Comment #175 @ 12:08 CDT, 1 September 2014 >>

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hauer

Everything Russia touches turns to shit - both inside and out.

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Aquashark - Reply to #175

Russian government is certainly incapable of establishing influence through more subtle channels, while also basically blackmailing the whole of Europe with gas resources.

what irks me the most is the nerve and pretense to view Eastern Europe as their fiefdom when almost everyone despises their government and jumped into the arms of NATO/US at the first given chance.

being lapdogs of the US was that much more enticing than cooperating closely with our former "liberators".

<< Comment #176 @ 13:00 CDT, 1 September 2014 >>

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DizzyMage

If their was a poll would the majority of ukranians want to be part of russia or not?

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wormed - Reply to #176

The whole eastern section doesn't even have access to water. The poll would be totally slanted.

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slm

civilian war of pro-european west and pro-russian east UKRAINE citizens. Not russia-versus-ukraine, not nato-vs-russia. Its ukraine versus urkaine. No putin there guys, hes not bombing lugansk&donetsk u dumbassols. Ask urself who's got profits of this war? Putin? or Lockheed, Royal Dutch Shell, Northrop Grumman, International Monetary Fund and shitload of profiteers. dont be fox-news zombies! watch RUSSIA TODAY

Edited by slm at 14:55 CDT, 1 September 2014

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<< Comment #181 @ 03:29 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #180

oh look, a wild Moldovan of Russian ethnicity.. brainwashed conspiratard too

i've met your kind before, getting Romanian citizenship to study/work here.. while breathing pro-Russian propaganda

Edited by Aquashark at 03:33 CDT, 2 September 2014

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slm - Reply to #181

so u prefer pro-NATO propaganda?

Edited by slm at 13:07 CDT, 3 September 2014

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Aquashark - Reply to #193

no, but claiming the lack of Russian involvement in Ukraine's conflict is incredibly stupid.

Edited by Aquashark at 14:46 CDT, 3 September 2014

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slm - Reply to #195

prooflink of GREAT RUSSIAN BEAR-ARMY INVASION or stfu? The thing is that USA-economy under great pressure, giant debt+growing china. So they find a solution - european market. ATM russia-euro market about 400 000 000 000$. CALLVOTE Remove RUSSIA from EU-market. f1. But how? Well, u need to show European goverments that russia is ANGRY BEAR WITH BALALIKA--->pentagon gief money to maidan nazis and poroshenko group and with media-propaganda-whores like reuters show PUTIN as saddam or KimCHen or Osama. DONE. THe great fall of usa economy is moved to another 5 years. But there are some things that wasnt planned: Sneaky putin, crimea, lugansk and donetsk ppl republics, unmotivated UA-army, back-sanctions of russia, RussiaToday. Russia is not as weak as in 90's. Thats why USA fails again and again in syria, libia, egypt, afghanistan and now ukraine. FAILOBAMA FAILS AHAHAHHAH

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<< Comment #183 @ 05:31 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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aiken - Reply to #180

After reading some story from first hand of a guy from Poland who went to Donieck a few weeks ago I'm closer to your version. I changed my mind in a few aspects about this conflict. However it is not true that Putin is not there. It is mostly his fault that these people from east of Ukraine were scared to death that they are going to be attacked by westerns.

Putin promoted propaganda and send people to start this conflict and then they disappeared leaving poor people fighting with regular army. It is obvious that they get armed from Putin, but I'm sorry for them being in this situation. People are fighting with each other for no fucking reason. I hope that Russian army troops are there to stop what they began and clean situation. Maybe if there is balance between the forces there will be a chance to stop violence and look for solutions, but it is just my hope and real hidden intentions of both sides may be far from that.

We will see...

Edited by aiken at 05:33 CDT, 2 September 2014

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<< Comment #185 @ 05:47 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #183

I share your sentiments. I really hope that all of this will be ended soon.

The best situation, both from a Global and a Local perspective would be: Ukraine will keep both areas, however will give the official autonimity (the right to self-govern and maintain both Ukrainian and Russian as official languages), but I guess the Ukrainian parliamentary elections in late September would be a good indication of what will happen.

Also, I'm worried about all those RIghtSector dudes, they are armed and unpredictable, and their dream is an ISIS-type scenario (on a Nationalist rather than Religious basis).

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Eviili - Reply to #185

Also, I'm worried about all those RIghtSector dudes, they are armed and unpredictable, and their dream is an ISIS-type scenario (on a Nationalist rather than Religious basis).

theire already doing it.. establishing international recruitment web and similar, thinking about forming foreign legion etc. They dont even have problems signing their names under those recruitment posts, like mr.Gaston Besson, politicians in parliment dont react and are pretty much part of nazi partys themselves like Svoboda and similar.There are no consequences for them.

pravyi+sektor+facebook

https://www.google.si/search?q=pravy+sektor&a...r+facebook

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #188

Mid-august they also threatened to withdraw their forces from Eastern Ukraine and surround Kiev, unless the Ukrainian government fired the deputy Interior Minister.

However, there are differences between strong-arming the government and all-out saying "death to all Infidels/Muscovites/Naysayers" and openly marching on the capital, like the IS(IS/IL) are doing, which is what I am more concerned about.

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Eviili - Reply to #221

theire upset cause some ultras got arrested like that fatfuck stotnik(captain) Mykola.What bothers me more than this are their sites stretching from scnadinavia,poland,croatia, even down to serbia.If you even try swiftly skimming through that shit, you will notice how closely it resembles to NSDAP and hitlerjugend approaches..

at first I shared similar oppinion with you, I though Ukraine should stay united, but now, after some time, I dont think like that anymore.Its better for them to split apart and live the way each group wants to, they dont seem to be able to find a common language anymore and just live together.Bosnia is a fine example how disfunctional such state can become, if enforced from international level, clearly theire living prosperate lifes today.

From post below, according to UNHCR(cant say its propaganda bs), theres already over 1million of refugees from Ukraine.260k in just last three weeks were inner dispersed and over 814k of these have crossed russian border.That alone for me indicates clear enough whos being targeted here.I wonder wheres that nobelprize nigga now with his "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" phrases that he used so highbrowly with yazidi couple of weeks ago!?!?!?!?

Edited by Eviili at 08:33 CDT, 4 September 2014

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #225

theire upset cause some ultras got arrested like that fatfuck stotnik(captain) Mykola

Reportedly it was a retalliation for the Internal Ministry's decision to "shoot in brain while chasing him in order to detain him" Muzychko, one of the orchestrators of the "trigger-happy" side of Maidan. My educated guess is that the politicians who profited most out of Maidan were just clearing house, and the dude was too vocal about shit he should have been quiet about, and the Right Sector dudes wanted to send a message to Kiev about their notion of self-importance.

It's not surprising at all, considering those regions all have had persistant surges in right-wing activity on the basis of ethnic or national identity. Scandinavia's can be briefly summarised with this image, Croatia with the Ustashi, Poland having its share of anti-Jewish sentiments, Serbia also has had its share of right-wingers for several lifetimes. Assholes have existed for millenia and will continue to exist after we're both gone, but it's quite scary that Murdochite and Hearstonian media refuses to pick up on any of that.

Its better for them to split apart and live the way each group wants to, they dont seem to be able to find a common language anymore and just live together

I was thinking more from a "damage control" point of view, rather than from a sentimental one (although I do have grandparents living near Luhansk and have spent plenty a summer there): it would appease the most out of all the involved parties, allowing them all to save face in the process. Except for the Yasteniuk parliament, but there's an election coming in mid-September, and the Right Sector would have less incentive to strike their own region under a "WE PROTECTINK OUR TERRITORY" banners. Bosnia situation differs, because on top of ethnic divisions, there were also very strong religious ones, which are missing from the Ukrainian clusterfuck. At least the Patriarch of the Kievan Orthodox Church (they got a new one in august after the previous passed away) can't call upon the Mujahedeen to protect "Mother Ukraina" from the "infidels".

And the "nationalist problem" in Ukraine only became a major very recently and it's easy to see a similar pattern with Lybian, Syrian, Iranian and Chilean "dissent". (also, Bosnians have more in common, genetically, with Bears and Oak trees than people, fact! (infa 120%)

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Anonymous (82.137.8.251) - Reply to #185

They also seem decided to do your job that you cannot do by being too busy to be multicultural politically correct weak traitorous fags: cleaning the West of the Muslims, they said, so it is a lose/win situation.

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Eviili - Reply to #207

lol`d

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #207

Xd plz

<< Comment #215 @ 03:35 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #185

Why? I say let Ukraine's individual states make their referendums about the issue and join Russia, if they so much want to. What's left of Ukraine would then join European Union.

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #215

Because becoming an autonomous, self-governed region would appease the most out of the interested parties: Ukraine technically keeps the "terrorist" regions, the DPR/LPR keep self-governing and keep Russian as an official language, Russia will stop getting the "Y U START WAR???" questions from concerned neighbours and the Obama administration (lolol)

Also, both Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts already had their referendums in March already, but weren't recognised by Kiev. Which is why the army was called in to put a stop to the movement. And the dudes in the Kremlin didn't want to accept the results of the referendum either because the two regions who voted for independence didn't have a Russian Navy Base in them, thus negating any Crimea-like action (worolol). At least they sent humanitarian aid though)

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slm - Reply to #183

agree

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Anonymous (82.137.8.251) - Reply to #183

Yes, Putin visited Donetsk to encourage resistance, same like Victoria Null Land visited Kiev. Snap!

<< Comment #197 @ 15:29 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #180

do not be brain washed zombies, watch Russia Today!
thats something new :D

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<< Comment #198 @ 15:37 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #197

But make sure you listen to BBC and CNN, because they're UK and USA... and they never tell lies!

:D

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ProT ' - Reply to #198

Omitting FOX? Must be a brainwashed commy. ;)

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wormed - Reply to #202

Sshhhhh!!!!!! HEIL PUTIN... err SHIT!

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ProT ' - Reply to #204

I believe you wanted to say "err DERMO!" instead. But I'll let it slide. This time!

<< Comment #184 @ 05:42 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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ShadyVoltaire

This conflict is a lot more than just about Ukraine's territorial integrity, although it could be summarised as a "Washington vs Kremlin" tug-of-war.

It's merely a 20-year overture that just got to "allegro" circa 8 months ago. It's just a result of a collection of unfortunate circumstances, driven forth by various profiteering factions, whereupon each one didnt realise they were being played like a fiddle.

My take on the whole thing is as follows:

4 days before the Maidan movement started, a prosecutor from the Ukrainian attorney general's office travelled to Switzerland in order to enquire about certain bank accounts, tied in to Timoshenko's 1990s "hobo princing" spree of 100s of millions of DORRARs. The source on this isn't some anti-Timoshenko blog and not RussiaToday's daily dose of propaganda: it's an article on Swissinfo.

Side-note 1: In Ukrainian political circles, Yulia Timoshenko is somewhat an equivalent to ESR's XTINA_AGUILERA, albeit one to be taken more seriously.

Meanwhile, in the Ukraine: ex-President Yanukovich was being pressured to comment about Ukraine's EU-intergration policies, and after round one of negotiations, and being told "Oke... sure we'd love to have you guys in the EU... we'll put you in the "Hovel" tier, your membership will be finalised along with Bosnia's, Somalia's and Tajikistan's" to which he rightfully replied "Cyka b/\Rgb naxyN is this shit???"

In an off-the record phonecall to Lithuanian president Dalia Grybauskaite, he stated "Yea, sorry, can't be part of the EU cos Kremlin is pressuring me to not sign".

Months earlier, in an off-the record phonecall to Belarussian president Alexandr Lukashenko, he stated "Yea, sorry, can't be part of the Eureasian Economic Union with you guys, Russia and Kazakhstan: EU is pressuring me and says can't be part of both if I want to apply to the EU. Yea, they seemed super serious, even quoted Tupac to me. Haha, yea "you either ride with us, or collide with us", exactly. Sorry men( "

Yulia (sic:Timoshenko), having read Machiavelli's "The Prince" (although only half-heartedly because it wasn't called "The Princess") while already in jail for other cases of embezzlement, decided to call a few friends for a get-together around Kiev's Square ("Maidan Square" is a linguistic tautology by the way).
"This is a fine way to protest the lack of economic opportunities for us, The Proletariat and what being a member of neither the EEC or EAEC would mean for us: we would gather round peacefully and our sheer numbers would prevail and cause our govenment to take positive action" said the hard working people of the Ukraine.

"This is a fine way for us to mess shit up: CHAOS IS PREVAILING, ANARCHY IS AMOK, so we'll steal, rape and kick fuck out of the Moscali, right here in Kiev. STRIP THE FLESH, SALT THE WOUND AHA AHAHAHAHA" said several extremist right-wing sectors of the Ukraine.

"This is a fine way to orchestrate a coup d'etat through media control and a few carefully orchestrated fuelling of fires. We even have a motive: Yanukovich embezzled like 7x the amount of money Yulia has. She's only sitting on like, what, $700m? MEANWHILE THAT SHIFTY SON OF A BITCH ON THE OTHER HAND EMBEZZLE BILLIONS" said Yulia's CIA handlers.

"They are going to nationalise that Crimean navy base we're planning to keep one of the Mistrals on, (despite the fact we paid our lease until 2020) aren't they? Y'all negroes better do summink. I don't care if it's legit or if there are "consequences". FUCK THE CONSEQUENCES YO. Is Uncle Vlad going to have to choke a bitch?" said Vladimir Putin.

Side-note 2: In the post-Soviet bloc, prior to this incident, the common consensus was "It's okay for the head of state to steal shitloads from his own people, but not for the head of government))". Something about what Lenin wrote I guess.

And thus concludes Part One of "The Great Clusterfuck", called "How To and How Not To Embezzle". Stay tuned for parts two "The Art of War or How to Successfully Retreat from Peaceful Protestors While They Pelt You with Molotovs", part 3 "Referendums Only Count When The Scottish People Have Confirmed They Will Vote "NO", part 4 "Aircrafts: how the FUCK do they work?" and part 5 "Misinformation or Washington Will Only Give Us $$$ If We Say That Those Miners and Taxi Drivers who Chased Us out of The East are Super Elite Commie Soldiers"

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<< Comment #187 @ 09:22 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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Edited by quake is potat at 09:22 CDT, 2 September 2014

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<< Comment #210 @ 21:14 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #187

"Moins on en a, plus on en étale".

Idiomatic translation: people who always shows their sciences are those who know the less. "étale" means spread or to show
Literal meaning: Culture is like jam, the less we have the more we spread it.

Edited by zb0t at 11:02 CDT, 5 September 2014

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pacmanpl - Reply to #187

Is it defragmentation?

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<< Comment #245 @ 11:41 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #187

Canadian dude actually understands the concept of objectivity though. It's more like:

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Bob - Reply to #245

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Edited by Bob at 20:59 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #264 @ 19:23 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #248

Um, you're telling me sunscreen companies aren't making the summer hotter? Holy shit, you're dumb. They want those SPF 100 sales.

"Canadian dude" -- which is me, by the way, and I'm awesome -- simply thinks rationally and logically. Unfortunately, the majority of people either do not get both sides to the story, or are so blinded by bias, racism, or xenophobia, that they refuse to see what could possibly be the truth.

To dismiss something is the first mistake to any critical thinker. Science doesn't work like that, why would "political science" be any different? People really need to think more about what is at play, who benefits and, the biggest question, why?

<< Comment #266 @ 02:00 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #264

refuse to see what could possibly be the truth

You sound like someone who knows the truth, m8!

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wormed - Reply to #266

"possibly"

I enjoy covering my bases, m8!

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flocks - Reply to #187

This is why you are consistently 95%+ (hue, plus puns...)

<< Comment #191 @ 07:58 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Eviili

http://de.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idDEKBN0GX16F20140902

814k crossed russian border, this pretty much sums it up!

<< Comment #212 @ 00:38 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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mouse*

a reason against democracy is the average opinion of an ESRtist

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fau - Reply to #212

Unhappy are always the most audible group.
Doubt and criticism (even extreme one) is necessary so as to have real freedom of speech and reliable journalism.

<< Comment #213 @ 00:43 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Raist

If putin would read this thread, he would divert the entire russian army to take down esr and then proceed to shoot himself.

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<< Comment #224 @ 08:18 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark

i think the long term goal for Russia in Eastern Ukraine is not to carve parts of it and add them to Russia, but to keep a frozen state of conflict like with the Transnistria region in Moldova.

this way Ukraine won't get into NATO since you can't be admitted while having ongoing conflicts, especially with Russia.

Crimea is a done deal though. might as well change the maps.

Edited by Aquashark at 08:19 CDT, 4 September 2014

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skint - Reply to #224

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29058514

literally read/watched this just after reading your comment

Edited by skint at 09:08 CDT, 4 September 2014

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wormed - Reply to #229

BBC = facts.

Kappa

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<< Comment #239 @ 10:47 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #232

yes, an interview with the chief of NATO = non-fact

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wormed - Reply to #239

Anything Obama says is fact. I mean he's the PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

Kappa

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #246

OBABO, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITIИU. (the reverse N won't register cos it's Cyrillic and ESR doesn't support Cyrillic cos YELTSIN IS A CIA SHILL PRETENDINK TO BE .RU WHILE NOT EVEN SUPPORT ALPHABET OF MOTHERLAND ON ESR! ABUSE OF POWER)) )

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<< Comment #247 @ 12:22 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #239

reading your posts in this thread
lmfao

brainwashed moron

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Aquashark - Reply to #247

says the guy whose prime minister gobbles Putin's cock at every corner.
leave it to Hungarians to always choose the losing side..

Edited by Aquashark at 01:38 CDT, 5 September 2014

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Lacceh - Reply to #265

Haha! I don't care about politics, foreign or domestic, apart from being informed of what's going on in the world. Our PM buys real estate for his friends and family, and builds the most modern football stadium for his home village with a population of 1000, with taxpayers' money of course. He's corrupt just like most ppl and most politicians.
When you listen to someone like Putin or foreign minister Lavrov talk, you can see they're better in some ways than others, and more truthful. Compare it with John Kerry or Obama. Haha! What a joke of empty lies and hypocrisy.
But like I said, it's all politics, a useless freak show. We have technical problems, and they can't be solved by politics.

Very cute though that you had to resort to insult me on basis of nationality. :D <3
Losing side? lol! There have been only losers so far, you know. We are all fucking losers.
Maybe when we learn to live in peace and accept each other, that'd be a different story...

Until that time comes, you keep watching your Fox News, CNN and other useless media to keep yourself entertained, so others can keep working on real solutions to our problems, without your disturbance.

Edited by Lacceh at 06:44 CDT, 5 September 2014

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<< Comment #268 @ 07:09 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #267

fair enough. all we debate here is the lesser of two evils.
bottom line: both sides are led by greed and at the end of the day we're just pawns arguing with tablescraps of information.

Edited by Aquashark at 07:12 CDT, 5 September 2014

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noacc - Reply to #239

chief of NATO = non-fact exactly, because Putin = fact. And do not forget to watch RT for more unbiased factual data.

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<< Comment #261 @ 13:37 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #253

Too busy watching FOX news for my real facts.

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #229

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28969784

Is Ukraine getting help from the West?

The US says it is supplying Ukraine with non-lethal military equipment, including radios, vehicles and "non-lethal individual tactical gear".

2mins in, Bill Hicks delivers. Different conflict, same shit.

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Aquashark - Reply to #238

do you even know the premise of the first Gulf War? or why the US armed Iraq in the first place?

you don't sell weapons then sink all the profits in starting a war with your buyers, especially when you can sell weapons just fine in peace time too.

Bill Hicks was an awesome comedian, but he's just that.. a comedian.

<< Comment #242 @ 11:30 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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filo - Reply to #240

lol but that is exactly what happend. wtf aquashark?

and even more, check were that shit is now.

gg stupid murica fueling the shit, so they can fight it, so they can say to their own ppl ... pay for you schooling pay for your health care, but that is none of my bussines.

Edited by filo at 11:38 CDT, 4 September 2014

<< Comment #244 @ 11:38 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #240

Do you even know the premise of the first Gulf War?

Saddam was given the green light over taking the Rumaila oilfield, but the asshole accidentally a whole Kuwait (which wasn't agreed upon). It was a way to strong-arm Saddam after non-payment of debt from arms sold in the Iran-Iraq war.

Or why the US armed Iraq in the first place?

Yea. Because they were in a war with Iran. Those assholes didn't re-privatise the Persian petroleum industry (like they were supposed to) after the CIA-backed coup against that other asshole, the Shah of Iran, who nationalised it in the first place.

you don't sell weapons then sink all the profits in starting a war with your buyers, especially when you can sell weapons just fine in peace time too.

Yea but the debt? And the Iran-Iraq war being over??

Bill Hicks was an awesome comedian, but he's just that.. a comedian.

No offense, but I'd rather take Bill Hicks' dated 20 year old analogies over your up-to-date views.

Edited by ShadyVoltaire at 11:38 CDT, 4 September 2014

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<< Comment #249 @ 12:26 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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wormed - Reply to #244

Bill Hicks and George Carlin were geniuses. Saying they were "just comedians" is like saying Jon Stewart is "just a comedian", meanwhile his satirical show is probably the most accurate portrayal of news out of the USA. That is sad and hilarious at the same time.

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<< Comment #252 @ 13:04 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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flocks

These kinds of threads on ESR always turn into "MY FACT-PENIS IS BIGGER THAN YOURS," and nothing ever comes from them so far as people learning anything of value. It's like watching democrats and republicans argue about the usual topics. No one's mind ever changes and everyone gets all huffy with each other.

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<< Comment #255 @ 13:06 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #252

>nothing ever comes from them
wrong, we get lulz

<< Comment #258 @ 13:22 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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flocks - Reply to #255

I mean, nothing actually useful. =(

People put so much thought and effort into what they're saying(even when it's bat-shit crazy) that it's a shame that something more useful couldn't result from their time and efforts.

But, I suppose that's to be expected when arguing such things on a QUAKE website. lol xD

edit: I recognize the irony that, despite knowing this, I read it anyway. I suppose you could say, for the lulz... haha. But! At least I typically only do so while eating.

Edited by flocks at 13:23 CDT, 4 September 2014

<< Comment #263 @ 15:14 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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IS[IS|IL] wants to join the party: http://news.yahoo.com/militants-vow-throne-pu...40129.html

IS[IS|IL] + OBAMAMAN = BFF <3

<< Comment #279 @ 16:46 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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z3ct4d

Russia is gay: (en subs)

(rus subs)

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<< Comment #280 @ 15:58 CST, 8 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d

In New Year holidays dirty katsaps had threated to the whole World with the nuclear war. (Another one time.)

"Merry Cristmas, good to people, death to enemy ..bla-bla ...for our victory. If we loose - we will blow the World!"

Everybody must know why most ukrainians hate this communist scum.

Edited by z3ct4d at 16:03 CST, 8 January 2015

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #280

host: 8/10 - would bang.
music: 10/10 - definitely will listen again.
editing: 2/10 - they need to up their game.
your stupidity: over 9000 - out of what shit-hole did you crawl?

Also nice grave-digging skills you've got there.

Edited by WTFProoF?! at 16:49 CST, 8 January 2015

<< Comment #282 @ 17:04 CST, 8 January 2015 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #281

9.5/10. That rifle is a turn on. I dig chicks with guns.

<< Comment #291 @ 12:55 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #282

Nah, what use do they have once you are past the turn on stage? You can't shove that thing up her ass (at least with most girls that is) can you?

Edited by WTFProoF?! at 12:57 CST, 9 January 2015

<< Comment #299 @ 17:38 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #291

Just because you cannot shove an item up your ass doesn't make it redundant.

<< Comment #304 @ 20:42 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #291

I mean it definitely makes it less desirable for the swedes but not redundant.

<< Comment #284 @ 18:29 CST, 8 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #281

You are hiding russian flag in your bedroom somewhere in Europe, like Serbia? You should hide better.
War is not over, as You see, it's only beginning.

<< Comment #290 @ 12:54 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #284

Ok now you make no sense at all? Why should I hide a Russian flag?

I just can shove 70 right in your face using this wonderful site.

<< Comment #298 @ 16:52 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #290

Ye, post more hitler's collaborant's flags. Someone has quoted hitler's propagandists ideas to jews. Right, that's was Putin, yes.

<< Comment #310 @ 05:43 CST, 10 January 2015 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #298

Hitler propagated ideas to jews?! And Putin does too? Wow, I must have missed something during history class, all I know is, that Hitler just threw them in concentration camps and that some of Putins most influential and best friends are Jews...

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #310

Look, Putin is a supernatural being. He can do two exclusive things at once. It's not schizophrenia, not at all. All HAIL SATAN.

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<< Comment #315 @ 06:57 CST, 20 January 2015 >>

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noacc - Reply to #280

payed propaganda even here... sad, sad days...

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Rothaarig3 - Reply to #280

I watched it without translation before so it was quite funny to me, with translation now it is the worst ...

<< Comment #283 @ 17:28 CST, 8 January 2015 >>

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I want to clear some things for yourself since so much propaganda from everywhere.
What's going on on this video and what, for example, poles think about it.
I know that this is without any doubt Kremlevskaya propaganda,
dressed KGB agents and etc., but interesting to see another point of view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yRNiznttQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05airwdElqs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Po...rn_Galicia

Edited by mc1nder at 18:27 CST, 8 January 2015

<< Comment #285 @ 18:36 CST, 8 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #283

A few days ago official russian communist's site published terroristic instructions for their agents in Ukraine: (russian, use google translate)
http://moskprf.ru/index.php/pilotnyjproekt/110-na-iii-j-mirovoj/14626-k-voprosu-o-podpole
Someone still compromise with cremlin's satanic sect which russia is?

Edited by z3ct4d at 18:36 CST, 8 January 2015

<< Comment #287 @ 20:53 CST, 8 January 2015 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #285

ALL HAIL SATAN
ALL HAIL SATAN

<< Comment #292 @ 15:11 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #287

- You should bury a Lenin's mummy first, you pseudochristians!

<< Comment #293 @ 15:26 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #292

Maybe you should first figure out if im a Satanist or a Christian?

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z3ct4d - Reply to #293

That's why i said "pseudo", cause creators of your's flag ex-country where killed hundreds of thousands of priests, blowing up most of the christian churches, and forbid the bible for more than 60 years. Atheizm lessons in schools... In last years of communist degradation communists allowed the bible storing for people, allowed public pray in churches, but only for that fact that cremlin ideologists understood that they cannot destroy the faith of human. And they create a fake church, which ruled by KGB, propagandized the russian ruler cult, and chauvinism to other confessions and religions. That's why young people in Russia prefare atheizm, other religions, or satanism as contrast form of faith. They simply see a fake.

<< Comment #312 @ 10:40 CST, 10 January 2015 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #297

my dear christian, praise be the lord, do you think Putin is Satan or just a Demon?

<< Comment #384 @ 22:00 CST, 29 January 2015 >>

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lat-is-davis - Reply to #297

Stalin had the right idea when it came to religion, damn.

<< Comment #301 @ 18:24 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #283

Polish people are fooled by Western propaganda about that Ukraine is fighting for freedom, and that they are our brothers. etc.

From my point of view I can't support anybody who is carring Bandera flag and got such 'heroes'.

For me the best thing to do for Poland is to be neutral. There is nothing to win for us, we can only lose. Also sorry Ukraine but its not really in our business to got you in EU and its nothing personal.

Our gov. is fucked up. They fucked up evacuation of Poles from Ukraine. Seems that they don't care. omg.

Also I see all the time more often thing like "polish concentration camps" in media wtf. And watched some movies, even polish movies... where bad polish people were killing Jews. wtf. is that thing. Polish poeple mostly helped Jews in WWII. There was no polish unit and Nazi / SS unit like in other countries. Also Poland recently sponsored the BIGGEST museum in Poland.... for Jews. Germony should pay for it, not Poland.

Germany and (sorry) Russia is talking all the time "It was Nazis/Soviets, not us"

It's nothing personal, history is history. And want to be open to everyone from other countries if they feel the same.

All i want is to have a free country. A free country, without influence from the west or east. And free of traitors in our gov.

PS. recently news: terrorists in France, and the same people "freedom fighters in Syria"...

Edited by H1ghlander at 18:28 CST, 9 January 2015

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noacc - Reply to #301

All i want is to have a free country. A free country, without influence from the west or east. And free of traitors in our gov.

I wish I was that naive too

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H1ghlander - Reply to #316

still worth to be as close as possible to that 'utopia'

<< Comment #286 @ 19:57 CST, 8 January 2015 >>

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mc1nder

People who disagree with the official policy of Kiev should not go underground, because they have nothing to fear. In Ukraine it is impossible to burn people just for another point of view, not to conduct an investigation and to cover the guilty. And this is just another hypocritical dramatization of the KGB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzP9Hr80jw
NSFW: http://revolution-news.com/neo-nazi-massacre-...s-of-fire/

And in these videos KGB agents trying to discredit civilized Ukrainians. It must be at least colonel in role of citizen of Kharkov.
If i'm not mistaken man from last video died in hospital (of course in imaginary world, don't forget about kremlevskaya propaganda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W9Ix3GtSq0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVL9c5U8nus#t=206

<< Comment #288 @ 01:25 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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Noismo

Propaganda isn't exclusive russian instrument, but ukrainian propaganda is something special. LOL.

Eastern Europe, this is low cost instrument. When Ukraine falls who got the prize? Maybe Vladimir Putin? Where's EU money? Where's EU association? That's about visa regime? But Ukraine is already bankrupt, where's nothing but hate. Bravo.

War... stupid kid, war is baddest thing to do and nobody wants to war for Ukraine. If you gonna die go to Donbas. War against Russia is war for few days, 2 or 3. LOL.

Edited by Noismo at 01:51 CST, 9 January 2015

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Anonymous (185.28.8.255) - Reply to #288

So did the west actually put dead bodies on that commercial Air Malaysia plane that the separatist terrorists shot down, or are you actually that retarded in Russia?
Lets not talk about propaganda when dealing with Russians. Even RT has gone bat shit crazy. its a disgrace to journalism.

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Noismo - Reply to #295

Separatists? Ahahahah. Where's results of ivestigation of catastrophe, ukrainian wariror? WHERE RESULTS?

Because it was...

U K R A I N I A N A I R F I G H T E R
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A I R F I G H T E R
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Sanctions was accepted without any proof. WTF?!

Edited by Noismo at 05:13 CST, 10 January 2015

<< Comment #289 @ 05:39 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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mc1nder

Damn, another victim of Putin's propaganda, now already the President of the Czech Republic.
https://www.facebook.com/prezidentcr/posts/789214857827608
I hope Ukraine will join in EU as soon as possible and teach everybody (especially poles) TRUE history. For example like this http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150109/1016706636.html

<< Comment #300 @ 17:58 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #289

President of Czech Republic seems to be more polish than our real president...

<< Comment #302 @ 18:36 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #289

Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia together invaded Poland and started the WWII.

And Ukraine and nazis were quite good friends, and after that fkin cowards did Massacres in Volhynia, killing women and childrens.

Also France was so pussy... because Poland wanted to attack Germany together with France before WWII to prevent what happened...

Edited by H1ghlander at 18:44 CST, 9 January 2015

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cx ' - Reply to #302

I think Hitler just tried to regain territory given to poland by the allied forces ... u do not really believe poland would ever have stood a chance against germany in 19xx ... in the end you are just pissed poland was so defenceless and had to rely on others ... I think poland must have been a big empire around 17xx or something ... somehow I do not believe poland got this territory back then, because it had so many good relations with other countries ... anyway many poles relocated to germany and make a good living there, also a lot of polands economical success relates to the fact, they are right on the border of germany, all the best to poland from germany ... because if poland gets strong, germany gets stronger too ... many countries dont understand that the downfall of their neighboring country has bad effects on themselves ...
anyway good luck with your polish friends, pretty sure everyone in poland is a proud pole and is so glad and feels good if you are right in their presence ...

<< Comment #307 @ 05:24 CST, 10 January 2015 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #303

I need to say that we can talk and talk and we will never end. It's not a story to tell it in single post etc. And nothing is simple.

I didn't said that Poland could attack alone, but with help... yes. (btw. in 1920 succesfully defended territory from Bolsheviks and with some more help from russian white movement it could be the end of soviets too) Ofcourse Poland was quite weak. Only 20 years of independance. btw. giving territories by allied forces was so bad. Poland without true polish Vilnius and Lviv... but got Stettin. Nice logic. Ofcourse now it's quite hmm... ok? But 70 years ago? tragedy.

Also it wasn't just Poland fault that it was week. I think you need to aggree Poland wasn't very safe and peaceful place on earth. Between two very strong countries, mostly attacked from few sides etc. Also imo politics wasn't really big strenght of Poland. I think honour was alays valued here, but it's not quite good for politics ;) Also Yalta Conference happened. USA and allied forces sold Poland to soviets. And half of Germany too, and still west part of Germany is better than the East part. So, allied forces won the war. Poland lost it. We got about 40 years of communism. And russians never wanted to develop anything on these lands (at least Germany was building things and stuff in current Poland) .

btw. do you know that some Poles were fighting until 1963?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers
"Polish People's Republic" 44-89' killed many polish heroes.

In my opinion Poland without WWII and loosing 6 mln of people (probably biggest % of population involved countries, the worst thing - killings of intelligence), communism, post-communism etc. Without all that things it could be on similiar level as Germany (which was sponsored by USA etc, (because everybody was afraid of soviets, and yes it wansnt just "hard work of german people", also USA sponsored Hitler before war... and they seems to do such things now too...). The period before WWII was great thing. And I think these people in the past was very different than now.

Unfortunately, I think most people here don't think that it's "proud to be polish". And it's a shame... that they think about it in this way. Because Poles didn't have influence on many things. We were fucked from many sides. And most people think that this is just our fault. And I need to say that most bad things happened because of Germany or Russia (also now) and I think Poland can't say "thank you my love, Germony"... it's ok when it's fair. But it wasn't.

btw. Germany gets stronger imo mostly because of trading with Russia. And this is the part that Poland should do that :) and in in 1920-1939 there were some poeple that wanted to do that. Because Russia is great market for export.

These polish people relocated to Germany, you mean now or in the past?
Polish economical sucess? You mean, now? lol, its pure bullshit. Germany leads EU and money spent in Poland mostly are going to Germany pockets (from Greece too). A country where most people earn 500 EUR a month and got quite similiar prices like in other parts of EU? Great success... when most young people are living etc.

Imo we joined EU too early. We should first get stronger on our own. Instead of this we joined fast and sold almost everything to the west for low price and loosing industry.

Hitler tried to just regain territory? And thats why he even tried to regain England? ;) You know that in Germany before war were so many poor people, hunger was the big problem, no jobs etc? Thats why people aggreed with Hitler and went with him for war, to conquer.

Also is nothing personal, our governments make decisions. It doesn't mean that people aggree with everything. And it works in every country the same. I met only good german people since now and they didn't do anything bad to me. :)

sorry for a bit chaotic post.

btw. I think Norman Davies books about polish history are quite good, in english, but also translated for many languages.

here is Poland with biggest territory ever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93L...extent.svg
The west parts of current Poland are not very polish...

but in 1918-1939 it was like this:
http://www.royaltombs.dk/polska/zz_polska_hist1.gif
so, what lands wanted to regain Hitler? Greater Poland? lol

The only our true friend was Hungary.
Also respect for Turkey, they never accepted Partitions of Poland.

Edited by H1ghlander at 02:26 CST, 11 January 2015

<< Comment #294 @ 16:15 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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Propaganda? Russians say? Haha
http://www.stopfake.org/en/tag/russian-propaganda/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/09/us-...US20150109
Today we have threat of nuclear war cause of Putin's ambitions to rejoin USSR. International laws, people life, own economic stability, nation's relationships and peace, etc - he destroyed it. Now everybody see how stupid and aggressive these people are.

This vid was recorded near Moskow, and placed on site of russian nacist ideologist Alexander Dugin, which ideas inspired russian president. That girl is a member of 'NOD" - one of the nacists organization financed from goverment. They declare racizm, religious cult, and "russian world" invasion ideas.
You should pray, putin's slaves, for dissappearing the proofs of russian tracks for terroristic acts in France now! You cannot terrorize the World with the nuclear end, you time is gone 25 years ago! You'll have to pay for it!

PS, putirussians: post more smiles, rage faces, pictures with boobs, gifs with cats to create the illusion of your rightness and innocense. That's funny.

<< Comment #296 @ 16:25 CST, 9 January 2015 >>

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r1ddler

I wonder how low the ruble will go. Who taught an ex-KGB agent was a good idea. Poor Russians. This is shit for everyone involved.

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Noismo

It's really funny to read something like that. Haha, Dugin is nobody, he isn't in kremlin or something. All true nazists in Kiev. Yacenuk absolutely insane - "Russia attacked Germany and Ukraine at WW2". Nazi marches with Bandera's pictures. Hate is product most popular in Ukraine.

Think smarter, you have no arguments than Putin wants WW3. It's so strange. Things usually more difficult to understand, but you already know everything. LOL. Putin doing that he wants, is Crimea isn't argument for you? WW3? Where's all nuclear bombs?

NATO at our corners is bad idea. Where's not stupid russians to believe in bullshit like "Putin is totally insane, he wants WW3". It's low quality bullshit.

GL & HF.

Edited by Noismo at 05:39 CST, 10 January 2015

<< Comment #308 @ 05:26 CST, 10 January 2015 >>

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pacmanpl

I must say french anon was funnier then all of you guize :c

<< Comment #309 @ 05:40 CST, 10 January 2015 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #308

this ain't no laughing matter, pal

<< Comment #311 @ 05:58 CST, 10 January 2015 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #309

I didn't stop french anon!

<< Comment #314 @ 06:31 CST, 13 January 2015 >>

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H1ghlander

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mufKDf5uIg

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pl&a...;sandbox=1

"Volhynia massacre" as a name for a meal, ok...

<< Comment #317 @ 08:36 CST, 20 January 2015 >>

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gojira_

Nobody has done a damn thing.

<< Comment #319 @ 14:39 CST, 24 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d

15 jan 2015 dirty katsaps shelled blockpost near Volnovakha town - 12 civilian die in a bus on a road.

22 jan 2015 fuckin "ruski" bastards shelled bus stop in occupied Donetck - 14 civilian people die.

today they shelled ukrainian town Mariupol, near front line of war - 24 civilian die...

(strongly 18+)

Anyone want to know more why many ukrainians hate "russians" and name them as "katsaps"? Yes, its like a "jew" for hebrew, or "nigger" for black, but ruder.

UPD:, now its 30 killed people in Mariupol this day, including 2 child. Over a hundred injured.

Edited by z3ct4d at 17:31 CST, 24 January 2015

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H1ghlander - Reply to #319

http://www.kresy.pl/wydarzenia,spoleczenstwo?...kich-video
and korrespondent.net

they said that bus was destroyed by ukrainian army, the driver confirmed that.

Could you confirm, that is a lie?

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Cyrax - Reply to #322

Do you know who is owner of korrespondent.net? I can bet anything you don't. Because I'm living there and it matters.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #324

I'm _asking_ what is the truth.

Yes, i dont know who is owner of korrespondent.net

I aggree with this "Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war because of Obama orchestrated a power grab with the CIA overthrowing Ukraine's leadership. This is an indisputable fact."

Edited by H1ghlander at 17:24 CST, 25 January 2015

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Cyrax - Reply to #327

>I aggree with this "Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war

How can ~6% of the country resist against whole country regular army without weapons, shells? This is obvious russian-fueled aggression which is became more obvious after capturing Novoazovsk from russian border side. So any conspiracy talks about Obama, civil war, etc. is just conspiracy talks for fools.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #339

rotfl

USA crossed the border of "balance of power" even in 90' , now its "too much" for Russia.

also you don't relly need usa/EU puppets in your gov.

how many people died in Iraq? hundreds of thousands?

Edited by H1ghlander at 10:21 CST, 26 January 2015

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noacc - Reply to #339

because over the course of last 20 years Ukraine successfully destroyed its armed forces thats the first and most people in Ukrainian army do not want to shoot their own brothers thats the second. So in fact its not like all Ukraine vs 6% its more like ukrainian neo-nazi vs 6%.

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Cyrax - Reply to #364

I'm agree with destruction but words about 'neo-nazi' are total bullshit - why no one saw any single 'nazi' during Euro-2012?
Also looks like you simply have zero knowledge about war logistic, for example: you need full track of shells to supply 15 min mid-rate fire of 6 atrillery units. So Its practically impossible to resist without 'friendly' russian support. Another story with 'BUK' AA-system: did you ever saw its internals? Here is:
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vsk/images/buk_su.JPG
Its almost impossible to handle properly without years of trainings

<< Comment #369 @ 15:11 CST, 28 January 2015 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #367

UPA flags and Bandera things should be illegal in your country.

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noacc - Reply to #369

Bandera is officially their national hero since 2010, so I guess forbidding his army flags would be kinda weird

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Cyrax - Reply to #369

Feel free to organize appropriate petition but i'm not sure that you will have even 5-10% support

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H1ghlander - Reply to #386

The thing is that Ukrainian people should do such petition, not polish people.

For eg. Russia confirmed after years killings here, in Katyn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_%28rural_locality%29
And as I know Russia remember it, even Putin for anniversary and put there russian national guard etc.

So, how about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Pol...rn_Galicia ?
How do you feel to have such heroes?

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noacc - Reply to #367

this is the emblem of the official legal military unit acting under command of the Ukraine government
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zi7smvubk4japs/ukr...v.png?dl=0
http://vk.com/batalion.azov
want to know more? Google it - even totally US gov. controlled sources like CNN and Washington post happened to confirm on occasion that big part of current Ukraine government are nazi. Which is nothing new on its own because almost all countries of EU (inc. RU) use such unions here and there in politics or intel/security services, but only in Ukraine they openly rule and do not even bother to hide their belongings. Final stroke - Bander was made the Ukraine national hero, needless to remind, who he was and what he did.

as for Russian support of the Donbass, I think its true just like US/EU support for Ukraine, I did not deny it. What I tried to say was that even with this support Donbass would've been crashed within weeks if Ukrainian people really thought the way their nazi government want them to think. But the most part of regular army of Ukraine is sane enough to understand what is black and what is white, and they simply sabotage. So military units like Azov are not capable of crashing Donbass. Thats why Ukrainian government have to bomb civilians in Donbass with hope that they will force their leaders to give up and stop the civilian war.

P.S. http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1417957695 cute scene there with Ukrainian president and the guy giving him Sieg Heil
http://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-minister...-far-right overview of main nazi party members

Edited by noacc at 15:20 CST, 29 January 2015

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z3ct4d - Reply to #322

- Whom do You believe more: pro-russian site source, or OSCE, which said that rockets fired from northern territories occupied by russians?
Holes in the ground has an angles, which is tracked the trajectory. "GRAD" missiles systems are not guided, and cannot change angle of landing, like some russian fake sources say.
http://gdb.rferl.org/766E00D8-037D-4A06-AA33-...w640_s.png

Edited by z3ct4d at 16:20 CST, 25 January 2015

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H1ghlander - Reply to #325

I dont want to belive. I want facts.

I dont belive russians but the western countries are nothing better.

With NATO "peace" mission there will be much more victims... than now.

Why don't you use there Ukraine flags instead of UPA flags? I dont understand it. When Poland is helping Ukraine, or want to help... using these UPA flags is like spitting on Poland.

Edited by H1ghlander at 17:29 CST, 25 January 2015

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z3ct4d - Reply to #328

- Facts is enough for adequate people and it can be found in google, but katsaps is not adequate.
And when katsap is fucked - he tries to distract from his fail, and remind the old conflicts. Its like little kid whining: "no, You bad - you did this!"
Today, i can say that ukrainians have no problem with pollaks, old conflicts is solved. But only kremlin payed nacist and terroristic organizations on a few countries making troubles.
There is nothing to discuss more with katsap.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #332

UPA flags
Bandera monuments etc.

...are not ok for polish people. Not sure if you like Pollacks living in Ukraine.

And don't really understand this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mufKDf5uIg

Your national heroes don't seem to be 'cool', don't know why UPA flag is your national flag right now, instead of ukrainian one.

I wish best, but all normal people. Also you need to know there are probably plenty normal russians. What gov. / kremlin do it's not exactly the society.

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Why would the Donbass people attack their own positions?

Let gets one thing straight here. The coup that took place in Ukraine was paid for and organized by the west.

They paid for the whole country but only got the western part, since the east associates itself with Russia.

The west part of Ukraine is not developed and doesn't hold much status for the economic aspect of the country.

The east is the core of the production and gdp of Ukraine.

Without east the oligarchs of Ukraine that are backed by the west cannot recieve loans from west and finance their currency. Meaning their wealth in Ukraine is not transferable to the west.

Knowing this fact full well, without any care or emotion for the people of east, they attack them and justify the genocide by igniting hateful episodes from the past.

Instead of maybe federalizing Ukraine, so west goes to Europe and East to Russia, since democratically this is where the people lean to.

This would mean the west would have to finance West Ukraine while Russia would have to finance the East.

Europe doesn't give a shit about Ukraine. Its products and economy is a joke. They can't compete with the European markets and neither can they help Europe in any shape of form.

Europe has major problems with its own social system. the last thing they need is Ukranians from west coming and looking for work. There is no work for the locals let alone for immigrants.

Overall, the only reason US of A riled up Ukraine and organized the coup is to start a war with Russia.
This was the main objective because Russia interfered with USA's plans on Syria.

What options does Ukraine have?

1) Launch a major offensive against east. Try to attack Crimea with help of NATO, get tactial nuked by Russia and start World War 3.

2) Back off of east, let it be federalized. Whole economy will crash, they can't trade with EU, EU won't finance them. They will have to rebuild from scratch without the east. It will be a complete disaster and they will have to rely on whatever production they have in west. The current goverment would be removed and the country will default. Complete restart.
The east will be helped and financed by Russia to at least reinstate some standard of living there.

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Cyrax - Reply to #320

gold standard of the russian propaganda

Edited by Cyrax at 12:25 CST, 25 January 2015

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gienon - Reply to #321

So how did it all start?

A whole country got upset about a bogus trade agreement with the EU and took to the streets over that?

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Cyrax - Reply to #326

Whole country got upset? It all started from Crimea occupation, here is long interview with russian 'hero' strelkov who started that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G04tXnvKx8Y
In this interview he directly says that they forced Crimean deputies to vote for Crimea separation.
Later, Kramatorks was captured: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGLr8-6Dpxs
and Slavyansk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvf90-Krmlw
Etc.

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gienon - Reply to #340

Crimea happened in March 2014. Euromaidan was over by February 2014 and in February Yanukovych was removed from his post. Also in February did the phone call between Nuland and Pyatt see the light of day, in which there's evidence of US government involvement in the coup d'etat in Ukraine, or at least the intention to take advantage of it to expand its influence. They even anticipated the Russian government's reaction - of course they will in some way resist the substitution of hostile authorities in Ukraine for a friendly one, given that they do not want a neighbouring country joining NATO within a decade.

In an ideal world I'd want every country go non-interventionist and libertarian tomorrow and live peacefully ever after, but we have a major imperialist power in the form of the US government against one that still has the potential to defend its close area of influence and to expect that Russia will lie flat and let the NATO march up all the way to its borders is naive. Everyone with half a brain in the US and EU could have and surely did anticipate that and despite that they proceeded to destabilize Ukraine and made it susceptible to a Russian-backed insurrection.

Russia's obvious inferiority in terms of military might and public opinion all over the world makes the reaction more restrained than it otherwise would have been, although still horrible from the perspective of the people who have lost their lives or their close ones and I would never play that down.

I do not speak Russian so I can't get anything out of this interview. It may very well have been that they've pressured the Crimean authorities. Perhaps all they needed to do is offer huge monetary incentives like infrastructure spending to leave Ukraine (that's what they did according to what I've been able to gather from various sources). The fact that state agents use every trick in the book to get what they want while maintaining the veneer of morality and respect for human rights does not surprise me at all. Where I differ from you is I don't have a double standard for the Russian state and the Western states. Both are filled with sociopaths who will eschew moral behaviour when it suits them.

Edited by gienon at 16:46 CST, 27 January 2015

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noacc - Reply to #320

"Complete restart."
nah, the state will simply disintigrate. There will be no government, no law, no order. Criminals, terrorists and nazi of all sorts will start to emerge there. Eventually EU or RU, or both will have to go there with armies and force order there to stop spread of criminals from that land.

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H1ghlander

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=8450353...1421914688

some english-man fighter in Ukraine

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z3ct4d - Reply to #323

English spoke man - it's a reason to shell a living town with a 120 rockets - that what You meant? O, i forgot that "english man" - should be the naked black mercenary from Blakwater, like kremlin propaganda say.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #331

Where did I said that?

I belive that some mercenaries from Serbia are in Ukraine on Russia side.

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Don't really know what is going on (I'm not wasting my life worrying about the squabbles of the common man), but I love these new petrol and energy prices. So whatever needs to be done to maintain that, can it just keep happening please.

Thanks

P.S.

Does anyone know how to force embedded youtube videos to play at the enhanced frame rate options like 60 FPS?

Edited by Jamerio at 18:44 CST, 25 January 2015

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I have few questions for ukrainians.
As i understand your point of view you guys consider both Crimea and Donbass occupied by Russia.
And at this time Ukraine is at war with Russia.
So:
1) Why Ukraine not declare war?
2) Why Ukraine not attacking Crimea like Donbass?
3) Why do you sit in front of monitors instead of sitting in the trenches under the Donbass?
4) Why are you not shouting to the whole world about the hundreds of innocent people killed in bombing your army Donetsk?

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Aquashark - Reply to #330

i have 2 questions for you: why is it that most countries in the former Russian sphere of influence jump in the lap of NATO/EU at the first given signal?

why is it that most people in said countries don't have anything positive to say about their relations with the Russian state (in whatever form) past and present?

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mc1nder - Reply to #351

1) Because Russia's economy/military force not comparable with EU/NATO. For some of this countries it was good move.
2) Some of this country's afraid of USSR 2.0 so they looked for a protection.
3) They have not a lot positive things to say because when they was in close relationship with USSR they was in so called iron curtain, it's not good for economic. But i think that it's not hard to find people who will find positive things in their USSR-relation period. I know that many people think that USSR was pure evil, but it wasn't. There were a lot bad things in USSR, but it wasn't pure evil.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #352

I watched recently a movie "Ich, Putin - Ein Portrait (2012)".

And im thinking that the rest of the world don't understand Russia at all.

Could you tell me how do you see Putin. Western media calling him probably the richiest man on earth. And he won some elections not clearly in democratic way.

But it seems that he did a lot of good for Russia. Fucked up oligarchs etc.

People from the West see him as a Tsar who need now only one thing to do. Become immortal in history, for eg. by conquer. He is Putler etc.

But from a movie which I watched Putin doesn't seem to be sick/mad, he looks like very pragmatic person who really belive his way is the best way for Russia (citizens of Russia can disagree with that). Politics in Poland doesn't care abou our country, only about money.

So, Putin got some kind of dark side but he doesnt seem he is a pure evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXKPb6uQnF8 btw. Moscow like this looks awesome. But some Russians blame Putin that he care only by Moscow, not the whole country.

So, how Russians see Putin?

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mc1nder - Reply to #353

>And im thinking that the rest of the world don't understand Russia at all.
Maybe it's right, once one foreigner asked me: "i heard that those people responsible for that ring in Sochi 2014 was executed "
What?!! Really, never laughed so much.
>how do you see Putin
This is hard question... In general i don't like him at this time. For example, i didn't vote for him.
At first we need to go at history for a deeper understanding of russian' mentality.
Most of population was born and raised in USSR, even though if most of the world think that it was pure evil i think it wasn't.
USSR was highly technological country with one of the best education in the world. With separated roles in each republic. When USSR collapsed this economical binds broke. For example in Ukraine most of the plants making details and another stuff for some russian(not only and for another post soviet republics) So with modern ukrainian sharp reversal it could be cause for collapsing most of the ukrainian plants. Russia will handle this, with some loses but it will be ok. What's happen with Ukraine? I don't know. But enough with Ukraine, this is really big theme for discuss.
So what's happen with Russia after USSR collapse? There were chaos, people call this period "wild 90ths". Oligarhs, criminals, war in Chechnya, 1998 Default, some people thought that there was even possibility of Russia's collapse. In this chaos most of the technological plants wasted.
When Putin become president he ended war and stopped this chaos. He fucked up some oligarhs (but bring another, lol).
We got so called 15 years of Putin's stability. Year by year people's welfare has grown indeed. When i said to my mother that this crisis will be deeper than those in 2008 she asked me: "Was there any crisis in 2008? Oh, you mean world crisis... I didn't even notice it" And this is true for most of the people, of course some invest bankers suffered in 2008. But most of the people merely noticed it.
Now Putin trying to gather some countries in one economic zone - Eurasian Customs Union. I can't say anything about it, it's just start its existence. Results will be seen not today. But on paper it looks great.
So it looks great but...
There are some problems in all this fancy picture
1) in 90th oil average price was 10-20 $/b. In Putin's period oil price sometimes reached 120 $/b (10 times higher!)
2) All this extra oil money was wasted on questionable projects.
I wanted to see investments in technological direction, science.
There is Skolkovo project but i think that this is bullshit. Big corruption scheme.
3) Social expenses raised to the huge amount. Provided by big oil price and increasing all kind of fees (taxes, social payments, vat, etc...) This fee raised so much that this is hard for a business. It looks like our government don't look in future and rely mostly on oil, gas, metal, etc.. I don't want to see my country with such role in world's economy. For example, government formed 2014 budget in expectation of oil price 95$/b. Insane! Did they ever heard about risk management? Economic badly diversificated and they doing such stupid things. Social expenses are good, but they should be consistent with economic situation consider with all risks.
4) Some issues with freedom of speech and justice system.
There are some problems, it's not so huge as some people think but problem exists.
5) Increasing role of religion in Russia, they even implement some lessons in school (hey, mister, you forgot that Russia at least in constitution is secular country?)
6) Strange and questionable education reform.
7) All this shit in Ukraine, partially this is Putin's fault either.
8) His vertical of authority is bullshit, in the end of this we came to situation when all areas need his personal regulation. System doesn't work. We need deeply reformation of government institution. System should work in one direction no matter who will be the president. President should be add only a little specific. At this days there is so much responsibility in president's hands. With current system we get institute of "visibility of activities" Many things stayed only on the level words.

So, in short, i'm thankful for bringing stability in Russia but this stability staying on really thin legs. And as we can see dramatical ruble devaluation show this quite clearly. Russia need to diversify economics and steps in this direction wasn't enough. I hope that current crisis will change something, but i hardly believe at this.
But many people (really many) don't see this problems.
>But some Russians blame Putin that he care only by Moscow, not the whole country.
No, he doesn't care at all about such scale of things. Modern Moscow look shows only its huge economic cluster role in Russia.
There are another smaller clusters and they look quite decent, for example Kazan' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evqwbIwoDBE
And another example of changes you can see if you'd google Grozniy 2014 and 1998 (And such kind of modernization, i'm pretty sure, will be with Crimea)

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H1ghlander - Reply to #354

thanks for all what you wrote here, dont have time currently to answer to you with a such big post, I will back later. But I would as some few questions ;)

Could you said something more about best education in USSR? This seems to be weird for me. Communists always wanted to have stupid society :P

imo USSR/communism was a big tragedy for Russia... and Poland. You lose and we lose great people in that time. Communists were killing intelligent people and many aristocrats etc.

also it was tragedy for economy. At least here, in Poland communists never tried to develop anything. They wanted to have these lands very poor, always.

Also I read some time ago that its a big propaganda in media, in movies etc. about that revolution is always bad etc. that it will turn Russia into chaos etc etc. And that gov. really want you think to be calm society ;)

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mc1nder - Reply to #356

>about best education in USSR
actually i wrote about one of the best, not the best. I have no idea how we can determine the best.
>Communists always wanted to have stupid society
In american propaganda? Lenin once said: "Government should be structured in such way when even cook, if she wanted, could get for free education that will be enough to be capable rule the country" (my free translation :D)
In fact USSR was highly interested in educated people, of course mostly in engineers, math, physics, chemists. There was cold war, arms race if you didn't notice ;)
from wiki: "Each party competes to produce larger numbers of weapons, greater armies, or superior military technology in a technological escalation."
If you think that behind technological escalation can stay stupid people then good for you :)
indirect "proves" maybe can be result of some international olympiads, USSR among the frequent winners:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mathematical_Olympiad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_O...nformatics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Physics_Olympiad
Soviets brought education in every family. There wasn't such thing in Imperial Russia.
Funny, but maybe you right, it could be one of the reasons of collapse. They shouldn't teach people. :D
>You lose and we lose great people in that time. Communists were killing intelligent people and many aristocrats etc.
As i said, indeed many intelligent people was killed/immigrated but soviets raised educated people and in greater scales.
>imo USSR/communism was a big tragedy for Russia...
In some cases yes in some... no
This is REALLY complicated theme.
For example, i'm not sure that Imperial Russia could win against Hitler. Stalin by driving people to inhumane conditions made USSR to be able for win in this war. In fact, Stalin got country with wooden plough and left with atomic bomb.
>Also I read some time ago that its a big propaganda in media, in movies etc. about that revolution is always bad etc. that it will turn Russia into chaos etc etc. And that gov. really want you think to be calm society ;)

This is true, this propaganda exists. But it's not about any revolution, it's more like: "If not Putin then who?" And ukrainian maidan fits in this propaganda very well, people looking at what's happening in Ukraine and think: "Damn, i don't want such things in Russia"

Edited by mc1nder at 15:05 CST, 27 January 2015

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H1ghlander - Reply to #358

Nice read for me.

It's really nice to see that all american, western bullshit is not true. And everywhere in the world are nice people who want to be open minded and try to think by theirselves. Really in the west they want to show how bad russians. And people thinks the same, like in TV. People will never understand that governments is forcing us to do things, to go to war etc. I know that nazis or soviets was under hard propaganda or forced do do bad things to my country. But I can't think now about any russian and german in this way, lol. It's just stupid. We all live in some sort of propaganda. We polish people and russians seems to see it. But i'm not sure about western people.

They also trying to show all muslims as bad people. I'm not a fan of them lol ;) but, really all of them are bad people and deserve to die? If we dont want islam in europe as a only religion, we need to support normal parts of islam. Because they also don't like ISIS and stuff. If we will show hate to ANY muslim, they will start to hate us too. Btw. 600k civilians killed in Iraq 2008 conflict... they really got reasons for hate...

About communism ad soviets, I'm talking from Poland side of view. But maybe in Russia it was different. imo the thing why communists wanted to have poor Poland and middle of Europe was a part os some kind of strategy. btw. Nazis and Soviets killed lots of polish intelligence. Without WW2 it will be different and better country. My country won so many battles for the the allies, and was fucked up, sold by those "friends"... eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptijNcDanVw

About education I know that soviets needed smart people, but they could use a small part of society, Im not sure how they were educating the whole society ;)

Also germans and russians did something bad in the past and at least apologize the world for nazis or soviets, in some way. And war is war, but killing civilians is always the worst. Poland didn't do a lot of such things. At least no polish organisation served in SS etc. But some happened. And such things is always a shame for every country. And every country should remember that and apologize about it.

But never hear anything from Ukraine, which is kind of sad. And when I see UPA flags there and Bandera is a hero is like punch in a face when polish gov. trying to support them.

I dont like one thing about Germany. They are calling "Nazis concentration camps" instead of "german concentration camps", also some media are talking about "polish concentration camps" because they were on our territory...
And the one thing about Russia ;) All the time I see that Red Army saved Poland in WW2 or something. It's not really a truth. Rather Red Army just replaced Nazis. ;)

Still, there was a deal with USA and USSR. Aggreement about balance of their powers in the world. USSR collapse. USA pushed Russia to the East and crossed the line, and was pushing all the time. But, Ukraine was too much, to try taking over it. With orange revolution, now by maidan. Russia got angry, because you dont want to have NATO bases everywhere near your borders. It's obvious. But balance... we need a balance Russia vs USA, if not... war could happen, which will be bad for ALL of us. This is how I see it.

Edited by H1ghlander at 17:40 CST, 27 January 2015

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mc1nder - Reply to #353

>And he won some elections not clearly in democratic way.
Even though that i'm kind of hate Putin i must admit that president election was quite democratic. This is sad that so much people support him. Maybe i'm wrong and he is the best choice.
But i need to mention that parliament elections was not even close to clear and democratic. That's why so many people gathered on Bolotnaya square after the parliamentary elections.

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noacc - Reply to #353

"And im thinking that the rest of the world don't understand Russia at all."
Why would they need it?

"Fucked up oligarchs " thats more like "Fucked up oligarchs who thought they can become rulers"
those, of them, who only care for money are perfectly fine.

"But it seems that he did a lot of good for Russia."
He finished the Chechnya conflict once and for all, he managed to maintain nuclear weapons and some sort of working army, that is why we are still on the world map.
On the other hand he did nothing to stop destruction of education, medecine, high tech industrial production and small enterprises and individual interpereneurs.

"People from the West see him as a Tsar"
that is who he actually is.

"citizens of Russia can disagree with that"
but not too loud :D

"Putin got some kind of dark side but he doesnt seem he is a pure evil"
just like every other person on earth :)

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z3ct4d

Yesturday (25 jan 2015) official answer of russian ministry of foreighn affairs for Mariupol tragedy (shortly) is: "This wouldn't happen if you leave your land".
http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/9725F965...D8004ABF7C (russian, use google translate)

FUCK YOU, dirty katsaps! You cannot even make a good asphalt road in Moscow City, and try to robber more land... You are the toilet bowl stealer professional band! yes, it is the fact that russians troops where robbered even the toilet bowls on occupied territories. That was in Georgia in 2008, this we have on the east of Ukraine. Many katsaps never had seen this thing in their poor life! That is a reason.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #333

You should blame USA first, because they violate balance of power in the world, not Russia.

And you need to know that joining EU is nothing better.

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inTheory - Reply to #335

It's not US fault that "balance of power in the world" is off. It is Russia who fails to keep up in the economic and arms race - so you should blame Russia first.

See, it's just as easy to blame Russia for everything. You wanted to blame the US, so you found a reason for it. A pretty damn stupid one.

P.S.: You are all nationalist idiots (especially the Russians). While you are busy shouting your slogans and hailing your flags and "dying for your country" in some place far away from home, your great leaders are living luxury lives.
Where is the greatness of your beloved nations? Poverty, crime and corruption? The lack of infrastructure? The violations of the most basic human rights?

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H1ghlander - Reply to #393

lol? I blame USA the same as Russia. Both are evil empires.
But when there is no balance there will be war. USSR was weak so USA pushed it to the East and still pushing, (Russia now).

About your "PS" wtf are you talking about? are you talking to me? calling me nationalist etc? I'm not russian and I hate leaders of my country which killed people's pride. Still im patriot but not naziidiot. btw. polish nationalism is antinazi...

btw. when USA killed 600k civilians in Iraq because of 'virtual' mass weapon... how about human rights? Still in Ukraine and Georgia didn't die so many.

you forgot about ukrainian nationalists with UPA flags.

And who are you then?

Edited by H1ghlander at 06:32 CST, 6 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #398

You should blame USA first, because they violate balance of power in the world, not Russia.

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I blame USA the same as Russia.

lol much?

Apart from that:
Russia left the heavy-weight division approximately two decades ago.
Please tell me specific example where US is pushing Russia to east? Where has US violated Russia's borders (i.e. real borders as seen in map, not imaginary dream-borders please).

"P.S" was to everyone. All nationalists are idiots - no matter what country. Scrolling through this thread I got the feeling that we have a huge population of Russian nationalism here.

I'm a person who is proud of things I have achieved through dedication and hard work. I'm not proud of my country or my nation because I was simply born into them, without any choice or merit. In my opinion only weak individuals will take pride in such things.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #399

It was not a dream border. You know some time ago USSR got their border in Germany from that day the west countries are pushing Russia to the east. Ukraine was pro-russian, but always Germony got big influence there. And what you got now? puppet gov. which is pro EU. So yes, USA or west countries are pushing. But ofcourse Russia is nothing better.

Nationalism as a definition don't need to be a bad thing. But most people don't understand how it should work. And such movement is gathering many idiots focusing on a hate to other people. And that is the problem. Mostly it should just to be about respect to nation values and about keep an eye about nation interests, but not aggresive.

Hard work makes me proud also. But Poles are hard workers, mostly. All around the world.
Still, I don't know where you are living. Many people in Poland, even hard workers, still can't achive much, mostly because other nations, like influence of Russia, Germany or lack of help (like other countries got after WW2).

One thing is hard work, but you don't have influence on everything by this. And for eg. polish nationalism right now is a bit reasonable, but its target is our gov. because most people feel they don't care about polish people.

Edited by H1ghlander at 01:06 CST, 12 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #400

It was not a dream border.

But it is a dream border now and it has been for a quarter of a century.
The Roman empire stretched across Europe, yet we don't see Italy staging revolutions and uprising from England to Armenia and Egypt, because "it used to be theirs". USSR lost the Cold War - deal with it.

Of course all sensible people in Ukraine will lean towards EU - standard of living is way better, society is more open and more free than in Russia. It is a natural decision, not some evil conspiracy of USA and EU.

Hard work makes me proud also. But Poles are hard workers, mostly. All around the world.

That is the fundamental difference between us: You seem to be proud of "Poles being hard workers".

My pride exclusively lies in my own achievements. If someone else works hard, I will congratulate them - but I will not take any pride in it, as it is their work and not mine. They might have the same nationality, religion, complexion or orientation as me, but in the end that doesn't change a thing.

Still, I don't know where you are living.

Why would that make any difference? It wouldn't change the validity of my arguments, would it?

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H1ghlander - Reply to #401

1. It was agreement between USA and USSR/Russia also. And it is also natural that Russia will act something like now.

2. I feel that super standard of living in EU and it's bad that it happened that we joined the shitty thing like EU. At least we joined it too early.

3. rotfl, stop trying to make me nationalist. I don't really care about other Poles, a lot of them are idiots. "Most of them are hard workers". I'm hard worked and I'm proud about this. So maybe other Poles feels the same? You feel the difference? But many people could be angry because they are hard workers and they cannot achive much. (because some people don't let them do it). And you didn't say anything about other thing I wrote.

4. Yes it makes difference. Because in some place on Earth it's easier to live. It is very easy to say things where you are far away etc.

5. IMO it is important to what nation you belong, because 'citizen of the earth' such thing doesn't exist. EU could be cool thing, but it is not an union. Every country only look about their own interests. Still it's quite reasonable.

But still for eg. Poland, many people prefer to live in UK, even they are not treatened like citizens of first category. And imo the role about patriotism or even nationalism is to make Poland a better place to live by for eg. hard work. What is bad about it?

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inTheory - Reply to #421

1. It was agreement between USA and USSR/Russia also. And it is also natural that Russia will act something like now.

If it was an agreement between USA and USSR, there is surely a treaty or similar document about it -you don't mind telling me the name of said agreement?

Apart from that - you already said it yourself "it was". See #409 - you just can't go around invading other countries because they used to be yours some time ago. USSR/Russia lost the cold war and with that they lost territory and influence. Welcome to the 21st century. They need to learn to deal with it.

2. So you don't like the EU - that's fine. Lots of people within the EU don't like it as well. But maybe let other people (citizens of Ukraine) decide for themselves? In the case at hand, the EU is definitely the "lesser evil" when compared to Russia.

3. I do not try to make anything out of you. I used YOUR exact quotes - I added nothing.

4. There is no difference. Just because it is easy to say something doesn't make it less true.

5. Good. Now we know your opinion about that. How does this relate to our discussion?

Edited by inTheory at 02:16 CST, 13 February 2015

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H1ghlander - Reply to #423

I wrote the answer, clicked to post it and lost whole post. So maybe I will write again later...

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mc1nder - Reply to #333

Damn, if you really believe at this, then it's clear for me why this shit even happen in Ukraine. Poor ukrainians, hangover will be tough.

Edited by mc1nder at 06:34 CST, 26 January 2015

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mc1nder - Reply to #337

There is information from local citizens that ukrainian forces made strange shots from Novomikhailovka to their own rear - Grigoryevka direction. It could be sighting shots for provocation. And at the same time ukrainians started evacuation people from Maryinka to the Kurakhovo. Right through sighting positions. Maybe this will prevent this potential catastrophe.
I hope that this is just a false alarm.

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z3ct4d - Reply to #333

<< Comment #342 @ 09:53 CST, 26 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d

Fucking katsaps humiliate ukrainian prisoners:
This is some kind a "censored version" there is no kills, or wounding of men, this is a content for russian TV. The unpleasant is a few dead bodies unloading from the car, but the most evil thing is a propaganda of feud and hate: prisoners taking convoy on the streets of occupied Donetsk, and pro-russian inhabitants - mostly old soviet-mentality people - insulting them and try to beat.
Yes, the solid part of russian sense of life - is hating to mythic enemy, even it's not exist. They where afraid NATO, Europe and USA for all their life during the Cold War, and russian propaganda say that american, german and pollack mercenaries fighting under ukrainian army flags. Some of "ruskies warriors" even said that they seen US abrams tanks and apachie helicopters on the fight fields. Nothing special that old pensioners believe in that delirium, like that lie that ukrainian army bombing the cities and want to kill all of them, making total genocide, like hitler's nacists did. Ukrainian army had retake part of occupied territories, and there is no genocide and total killings, like katsaps brainwashing TV said - that fact they "forgot". There is normal peaceful life, and most of infrastructure works.
Ideology of "ruskies" is like religion sect: they believe that they are unique and have a mission to save the World. And for that purpose they have to conquest (or destroy) all the planet. That lasts for all russian history period, since the medievalism. They cannot exist without a object of their hate and fear.

(strongly 18+.. better 30-40+, hating and chauvinism presented)

Curiously that ukrainian propaganda has not such humiliating content like this, despite of a lot of media materials like this.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #342

lol, USA and NATO is not mythic enemy for Russia.

your videos could be fake like 'katsaps' videos like I saw. fake or not fake.
http://www.kresy.pl/wydarzenia,spoleczenstwo?...wi-foto-18

mythic enemy? How about Iraq vs USA and bullshit about weapon of mass destruction? 600k civilians were killed in Iraq. In Ukraine? 5k. ?

USA is nothing better than Russia.

Russia supports these 'katsaps' in your country, with regular soldiers they could be in Kiev long time ago.

Edited by H1ghlander at 10:28 CST, 26 January 2015

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mc1nder - Reply to #342

lol, nice example of ukrainian mentality. There is old anecdote:
one bandera-guy:
-i'm gonna kill some katsaps
-but if they kill you?
-why they will do this?
Maybe you don't get it, but when you come to people and trying to kill them don't expect from them smiles on their faces. They can even kick your asses (surprise!)

On this video soldier asked them: "Why do you come here on my land?
I grew up on this land, what do you want from us? No one called you here."
And at this video you can see how "glad" civilians of Donbass to see those intruders.

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z3ct4d - Reply to #342

UPD: katsaps executed prisoners:
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/01/grap...shoot.html
(18+, dead bodies)

Edited by z3ct4d at 12:10 CST, 26 January 2015

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mc1nder - Reply to #346

the whole video, for not ukrainians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XksDGeAbJ7g
for ukrainians there are a lot cut shit like in previous posts.

<< Comment #348 @ 12:23 CST, 26 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d

Welcome to the "russian world"!:

Car filmed "GRAD" missiles bombarding in Mariupol 24 january. In a two seconds he would be dead, like foregoing drivers.

<< Comment #349 @ 12:31 CST, 26 January 2015 >>

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mc1nder

Welcome to the "ukrainian world":
http://tinyurl.com/lwa6qx7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DebtywHZaiI
No pity for this people? Why? They are not ukrainians, they are katsaps! OKAY.jpg

Edited by mc1nder at 12:48 CST, 26 January 2015

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Aquashark

the war in Ukraine is basically like this: http://i.imgur.com/TSByRDo.jpg
can't believe they found the idiots that would start a shooting war in Europe (at the outskirts, but still)

what really grinds my gears is that Russians try to sound like proper saints and claim propaganda only in the West.. lel
it stops being funny real fast though considering the innocent civilians that died (including the commercial airplane)

Edited by Aquashark at 14:49 CST, 26 January 2015

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z3ct4d

Yesterday katsaps shelled Avdiivka town (Donetsk region) - 3 civilian die.

(Damaged buildings, craters, witness evidences.)

<< Comment #359 @ 15:15 CST, 27 January 2015 >>

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cx '

dunno man, the crimea land was elected democratically to be independent by more than 90 % of its people? why is this a problem?
I think in great britain, there is state northern ireland that chose to be its own region, likewise kosovo in the balkan region, even in germany there is region "Saarland" that wanted to belong to germany and not france ... what is the problem?
Why was it allowed and without any problems for these regions, but its not for the crimea? because it is not in accordance with the us (that invaded irak for no reason and is reponsible massive unrest and civil war in arab countries and is not held accountable at all for that and is instead called the saviour of the world, and also spys on chancelors/presidents of europe but is still their best friend) ... someone explain this to me plz?

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mc1nder - Reply to #359

This is simple: "know your place, Russia"
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

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Anonymous (85.17.24.66)

It makes no sense for the separatists to attack civilians in Donbass for two reasons.

First of all the civilians in Donbass are like a shield for the separatists. They are defending the territory they are based in. The more civilians the more difficult it becomes for Kiev Junta to remove the separatists without killing civilians.

Second is that Russia would like to keep its influence over the regions in the south-east of Ukraine. In order to have influence in the region they need people who are pro Russian to live there. Kiev on the other hand wants the south-eastern people that are pro Russian to leave the region completely, so that they can control it "democratically" after the genocide.

For these reasons the Kiev junta is trying to commit genocide to the people of the east. They want to completely shatter the morale of the separatists and make everyone that is against their rule leave.

So what they do is indiscriminately shell the areas from long distance. The reason why they are only shelling is because that is the only thing the unwilling Ukrainian soldiers are putting up with.

The Ukrainian army is not willing to go door to door to defeat the separatists in the cities. For starters it's an extremely risky strategy with very high costs and casualties. The risk of dying in close combat in cities trying to clear out areas against well armed militias who are in position is extremely high.

So instead the Kiev junta is just shelling people left and right and killing civilians. The separatists are well positioned not to be targeted by the artillery.

The separatists encircle the Ukrainian battalions who use artillery then kill them. Rinse and repeat.

This leads to a frozen conflict, which is something Russia wants.

Without the help of NATO Ukraine will not be able to do anything against the Russian backed separatists. But If NATO is crazy enough to move in, then Russia will move in officially as well. This can escalate easily to a "tactical nuke" attack by Russia, because NATO has the upper hand in conventional warfare.

The next plan by Ukraine is to mobilize 40000 to 60000 troops and use an incident to officially declare war on Russia. If this were to happen Russia would be allowed under international law to officially move in Ukraine and destroy its armies. But that step would be counter acted by a official NATO move in Ukraine, leading to the catastrophic clash.

The US of A and EU is not going to help Ukraine financially. Ukraine will not get any money or financial aid, especially now that the Euro crash is becoming more evident. The IMF has pushed Ukraine to take south-east or no loans. The bankers have been pushing war to Ukraine since the beginning, it is why they went in the first place.

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<< Comment #368 @ 11:09 CST, 28 January 2015 >>

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gojira_ - Reply to #363

^^

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H1ghlander

http://www.cda.pl/video/178199ab/Pojmanie-ukr...zez-miasto
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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #370

Why would you link the video from a polnish site if there is the same version on Youtube (even with English subtitles if I remember correctly)?

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H1ghlander - Reply to #372

too lazy to find it.

<< Comment #374 @ 10:33 CST, 29 January 2015 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #370

The dude hassling the capturees is straight up movie villain material.

<< Comment #371 @ 08:40 CST, 29 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d

Yesterday was a little one step to eliminating the "holy mother russia" - R.F. was expulsioned from PACE.

Today katsaps took a little heroic win - leaving their working cabinets in PACE they steal all office stuff away: pens, A4 papers, staplers, etc. They took away even the soap from the bathroom and screw off the lighting bulbs from everywhere they can. Yes, it's their ancient traditions - steal everything when leaving, or broke when you cannot steal it.
Maybe after that accident some Europeans understood what kind of human "russkie" is. And the fact that stealing bath furniture, even the toilet bowls, - it's not a joke about katsaps.

PS, what katsaps should to do to be banished from UN? Blow an dirty bomb somewhere in Europe?

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #371

You are a really funny guy, you should go into comedy. On a serious note:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff8IqG3NosU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlf8tiryftY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr1aqgnRTaw

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z3ct4d - Reply to #373

O, the crying wriggling in shit katsap tried to attract me that is something no good in my country, and ukrainian troops is surrounded. And threw to my way with a piece of russian TV-bullshit.
I know well what kind of katsapian propaganda that content is, and i know well that catsaps couldn't surround Debaltsevo town yesterday. After shelling Mariupol katsaps where praising that they captured that town, so there is no special in these fakes.
You was bad shitthrower, you wouldn't visit the Seliger young russian nacists conference next time, and got no chance to be licked by huylo-the-dickhead, old cremlin pedophile.

And there is nothing funny to live near the psychiatric zone named "Russia", inhabited with these evil creations. Go back to hell, you katsaps!

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #376

Step by step tutorial on how to get easy entertainment on the internet these days:

Step 1: Find mentally challenged kid from Ukraine
Step 2: Deploy effortless bait
Step 3: Wait for reaction
Step 4: Profit
Step 5: Repeat till your thirst for laughs is satisfied

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=198Y-WEc74M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhbYLlbtOBA

Edited by WTFProoF?! at 12:55 CST, 29 January 2015

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<< Comment #380 @ 14:49 CST, 29 January 2015 >>

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noacc - Reply to #378

thats cruel :/

<< Comment #381 @ 15:11 CST, 29 January 2015 >>

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WTFProoF?! - Reply to #380

Not really, it is his choice to either eat the bait or leave it be ;).

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thuNDa - Reply to #381

is this the topic to troll as a regular user? OK...

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Anonymous (85.17.24.66)

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<< Comment #377 @ 12:25 CST, 29 January 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #375

How about reptiloids from Nibiru? Did you meet them in 2012? Are they peaceful?

[sarcazm... this time. Cremlin bots argumentation is geting more and more ridiculous.]

<< Comment #395 @ 06:36 CST, 5 February 2015 >>

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gojira_ - Reply to #375

Surprise surprise surprise...

<< Comment #383 @ 20:03 CST, 29 January 2015 >>

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Jamerio '

I like fights and conflict, i'm like the predator of the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeyPe3TNUu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8E0ArRDyXs

Edited by Jamerio at 20:08 CST, 29 January 2015

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noacc - Reply to #383

wtf is this shit about?

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Anonymous (37.73.247.154)

Video (ENG SUB) Russian terrorists open mortar fire from within a residential area in Horlivka.
Russian tactic in Ukraine. Shoot at the Ukrainian army from the residential area and wait for the response. Then... http://fb.me/44uD72Nk5

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donka '

NATO folks are interested about fueling this conflict even further. Stay tuned while we tally up the body count while measuring dicks of east and west

http://www.npr.org/2015/02/02/383346073/as-te...to-ukraine

Edited by donka at 12:12 CST, 3 February 2015

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<< Comment #396 @ 06:39 CST, 5 February 2015 >>

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gojira_ - Reply to #391

God damnit...

<< Comment #392 @ 17:55 CST, 3 February 2015 >>

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gojira_

Let's just all agree and thank Ukraine for Milla.
*applause*

EDIT:
Throwing in this Ukrainian song from her ''Divine Comedy'' album.

Edited by gojira_ at 06:21 CST, 5 February 2015

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Rothaarig3 - Reply to #392

*lol*
Luc Besson (14 December 1997 - 12 June 1999) (divorced)

keep your knees together ...

<< Comment #394 @ 03:11 CST, 4 February 2015 >>

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Anonymous (77.247.181.162)

It was totaly logical to see the butcher Sheitanyahou next to Porcoshenko at the JESUISCHARLIE mascarade in Paris. In fact all the enemies of freedom of speech were there, only Obama was missing. Cherry on the cake : Sahoudians were there too.

They realy think we are idiots :>

<< Comment #397 @ 12:50 CST, 5 February 2015 >>

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z3ct4d

Blitzkrieg of russian zombies failed. it's still hard fight for everyday last week.
http://liveuamap.com/ (updating every day)
Debaltsevo is ours, nobody is surrounded, like russian dezinformation mashine said. Front line stood still, but russians crafting more and more farshmeat and weapons.
"Kiev for two days" - haha, katsaps taking a willage for a week. Or totally destroy it with missile systems when they can't. Do not care for inhabitants, we all are "hohols" for them, yes katsaps has dirty nicknames for all neighbor nation, and use them everywhere without a consiense. it was a lot of victims of russian shelling, dozens sometimes, I'm little tired to quote them here. Especially when katsaps smiling like nothing happens, or try to blame ukrainian army on it, even it was far away from accident. Yes, they usually don't care of dying man lying on a street, and walking away like nothing happens - it's the other example of russian mentality, and another reason why we are stronger.
Do not believe to "russkies", do not trust them, discharge their job, do not shelter them, fuck them everywhere!

(no dead bodies, a lot of blowed russian tanks)

<< Comment #403 @ 07:55 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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Anonymous (109.192.242.66) - Reply to #397

Why its an American updating the status about ua every time? Should it not be updated by some1 from ua?

<< Comment #402 @ 07:42 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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mc1nder

Cute girl?
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/crimecrime/180...iginal.jpg
maybe this is cuter?
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/crimecrime/180...iginal.jpg
or this?
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/crimecrime/180...iginal.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/crimecrime/180...iginal.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/crimecrime/180...iginal.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/crimecrime/180...iginal.jpg
Brave guys?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas_Battalion
Still brave?
http://www.tribuna.ru/upload/iblock/533/533ac...09d437.jpg
http://cs616120.vk.me/v616120578/10363/SrgCqxgcQBc.jpg
http://cs624324.vk.me/v624324613/c0e6/dH3DDlaVunU.jpg
http://www.ridus.ru/images/2014/11/30/251946/large_fc01c17336.jpg
http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2014-09/1410318357_ss.jpg
http://x-true.info/uploads/posts/2014-10/1413...6due8g.jpg
http://ohranka.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09...b8925a.jpg
http://chto-proishodit.ru/system/files/styles...k=jtpL_DLw
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxWLLBSCQAAMjE_.jpg
http://www.unn.com.ua/uploads/news/2014/06/03...bb80e5.jpg
http://upyourpic.org/images/201405/qlyzxo2bzi.jpg
http://upyourpic.org/images/201405/kn963ftqz3.jpg
http://upyourpic.org/images/201405/w86cv88m68.jpg
What a nice guys!
This new bizarre world :)
Poles gov OK with Bandera, UPA, right sector
Germans gov OK with nazis.
I want to believe that at least people realize what they are getting.

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<< Comment #404 @ 08:56 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #402

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Russia

"In a country that lost more people defeating the Nazis than any other country, there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total."

Way to go Russia lol

Add to this the fascist state the Russians support in Russia and the commies who basically are the other half of Nazis, it makes a bizarre new world indeed.

Edited by rehepapp at 08:59 CST, 12 February 2015

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mc1nder - Reply to #404

If you can tell the names and adress of this organizations i will call to our police, and be sure they will be arrested. Right sector, azov, UPA fans, Bandera are full of ukrainian's government support.
feel the difference.

<< Comment #407 @ 09:40 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #406

Most likely your joke of a police already knows their addresses and the names of their organisations. The point was that you completely fail to see how your own fucked up country reeks of racism, xenophobia, corruption, discrimination, fascism and oppression of free speech, and you still try to keep an image of moral high ground relative to everyone else around you.

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<< Comment #408 @ 09:58 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #407

Most likely, if they do know their addresses, they can't arrest them because it's not a crime to be racist, like in most countries. The point was that you completely fail to see how your own fucked up country has SS battalions marching on your street, how in Ukraine the neonazi battalions are actively waging war and control the parliament. Russia keeps the moral high ground because it has the moral high ground. Images of neonazis are shown on TV to enrage and upset them them, not make them happy and proud of their nazi grandparents. It's understandable if you can't see the difference.

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rehepapp - Reply to #408

Haha, the number one putin bot/astroturfer on this site has stuck his nose out.

Yeye, keep on bringing up that SS march bullshit as if you don't know that it's more about memorising the people who were forced to fight in the war for self preservation. We had people fighting on Russian side also, and we have marches for them too. Now what? The public opinion is still nazis=commies. You defend commies, so basically you're as low as nazis were.

I can see the differences, and I can see the similarities. Russia has no moral high ground. Do you really think that Ukraine that wants to move closer to the west will allow discrimination to the extent happening already in you beloved fascist state under czar Putler? You already see a deformed form of nazism being propagated in Kremlin, and nazism doesn't need a swastika to be one.

Keep on living your fascist commie dream, enjoy your rubles.

<< Comment #412 @ 10:37 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #410

Yes, communism, community spirit of sharing is the same as exclusive nationalism. It's a real a compliment to be insulted by a nazi, thank you =)

<< Comment #413 @ 10:50 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #412

In practise it was the same: paint to cover oppressive tools to root out minorities, physically and/or culturally. But fuck it right, lets keep it to the pipe dream versions.

Russians calling everyone nazi, lol, ain't that something new.

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<< Comment #424 @ 04:19 CST, 13 February 2015 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #408

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphoto...f68a507a8f

there's countless examples of this type of shit, not even gonna bother to link.. you just need to talk with your average Russian on the internet to get this attitude out from them

Edited by Aquashark at 04:24 CST, 13 February 2015

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mc1nder - Reply to #407

>country reeks of racism, xenophobia, corruption, discrimination, fascism and oppression of free speech

Well, i'll not deny it, there are problems in our society. But at least we working on it. (except corruption and oppression of free speech, yeah...) And such organizations don't get government support.

>try to keep an image of moral high ground relative to everyone else around you.
No, i don't try to keep an image high ground, lol
I don't support such organization in Ukraine, Russia and wherever it exists.
And what worth to mention: if you think that russian citizens can't appoint on such problem in Ukraine it doesn't make this problem invisible for other countries. But it seems that you prefer to not see this.

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rehepapp - Reply to #409

Fair enough.

<< Comment #405 @ 09:01 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #402

They look like CS players.

<< Comment #415 @ 13:07 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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donka ' - Reply to #402

Putin's lies and fabrication, clearly

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So I normally avoid this thread like the plague to avoid raging at people's opinions, but I would like to blow off some steam so here goes:

@ United States of Dumbfuckistan

Shameful faggots at least change your "let's create/increase dissent in order to capitalise on a soveirgn state's natural resources" workplan, it's been like over a century and formula's basically the same (Panama 1903/ Salvador Allende's Chile 1973, Shah or Iran/Saddam/Noriega (lol both put in power and disposed of)/1980s ~~Grenada~~*/Ghadaffi/etc), you dumb cunts can't even point on a map what you're invading.
True fact: Pew Research did a study and if an average American was to point out Ukraine on a map, there was an approx 8000 mile margin of error.

* Scratch Grenada actually, that was a full-blown US invasion

@ Kievan XYNta of Pizdec
PIDORASY POZORNIE stop send Nazi battalions to blow the shit out of hospitals and old people's homes with phosphorus bombs and loot the houses of people who fled the Region, this is why there are anekdotes about "XOX/\bl" and all the greed. Also stop giving artillery to badly trained conscripts who have a 5% chance of hitting the target and 80% chance of hitting a marshrutka... or a Malaysian airplane. Also what the fuck is up with the RIghtSector western UA people raping and murdering all those attractive girls in Donetsk? God saw that shit 40 years in advanced and gave you cunts Chernobyl just as a form of retribution so most of the male population's dicks fall off, but it was all in VAIN.

@ Uncle Putin's Family Friendly CommieReichLand:
GANDONY EBUCHIE STOP PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE PRESS RELEASES WHICH FURTHER DESTABILISED THE REGION. And while you're at it, give Crimea back to its rightful owners, The Genoese Republic. Also stop giving artillery to batshit cray-cray "freedom fighter volunteer" sunwhorshippers of Chechnya who have a 5% chance of hitting the target and 80% chance of hitting a marshrutka. And the fuck with all those "volutneers" anyway? 2000 armed dudes on a leasurely stroll into a closed off warring region?

Now I have objectively rectified the situation, here are some comments about people commenting on this shit:

@ The people crying wolf from the non-CIS Iron Curtain Eastern Europe:

Shut the fuck up already, Putin isn't going to invade your shitty country simply because
1) That shit won't turn a profit so his Corporate handlers with Reptilian Bloodlines won't approve the plan
2) Depending on where you're from, it's fucking shit and not even worth invading because it's either:
a) Full of filthy Poles.
b) Is a gypsy hellhole where horse is the chosen form of transport and some pimp can beat the fuck out of Alexandra Stan in broad daylight
c) Is a shitty Baltic non-country. There are villages in both China and India who house more people than everyone who's EVER lived in your Livonia or whatever...

@ Commentators west of the iron curtain:

Also kindly shut the fuck up about idiot commies being brain-fed propaganda considering your chosen print publication or news TV station/program is a Hearstonian/Murdochite hammer on the brain in-between ads and airings of whatever reality TV show is big now.

@ Russian and Ukrainian Keyboard Warriors
Tupie gandony vas vseh po IP vychaslyut i hui pootrezayut. Chto by ne vyebyvalis'. (Dumbass shitcunts I hope you all get IP-traced by whichever faction you so fevereshly oppose and have your XYN cut off)
Also you retards comparing Putin to Hitler are wasting a perfectly good Uncle Stalin analogy, and you other retards calling the current Ukrainian government a "Junta" can also fuck off, since a Junta is a military dictatorship, they at least had an election...

Oke I think that pretty much covers it all. I didn't want to do Ukraine in detail because post-Maidan there are like 5 different factions at stake (2 camps of Oligarchs on each side and 3 Political forces, although in Commieland where an oligarch ends and a politician begins is impossible to tell)

Edited by ShadyVoltaire at 12:51 CST, 12 February 2015

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<< Comment #416 @ 13:14 CST, 12 February 2015 >>

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donka ' - Reply to #414

pick a side, smartass

Edited by donka at 13:15 CST, 12 February 2015

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #416

I'm part-Russian and part-Ukrainian, with a cosmopolitan upbringing (for the past decade and a half mostly being absent from either of those regions) and a nihilistic worldview. NO.

Edited by ShadyVoltaire at 13:57 CST, 12 February 2015

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #417

Cairo is next!

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #418

They can't be next, Jam-Jam, they're still in minorly oscillating from 2011. ( for example those 2 Al Jazeera journalists were literally released on bail in the past 24 hours).

I'd say Lagos is more likely)) ... Boko Haram Islamists to the North-East, Saudis underdamping the crude oil value to like half the $$ per barrel (and NIgeria's export of oil is like the main driving forces behind their GDP).

<< Comment #448 @ 15:12 CST, 14 February 2015 >>

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noacc - Reply to #417

do you jerk in front of mirror?

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Aquashark - Reply to #414

b) Is a gypsy hellhole where horse is the chosen form of transport and some pimp can beat the fuck out of Alexandra Stan in broad daylight

wasn't really offended until i googled Alexandra Stan out of curiosity. people abroad listen to this shit?

although you sound proper batshit insane, i agree with the sentiment of what you wrote. people who otherwise lived in peace are now divided over some bullshit. this Ukraine mess feels way more forced than the Yugoslav wars.

also while people aligned with the West tend to overlook the meddling of EU/NATO in Ukraine, the USSR revival brigade in Russia forgets they're just as guilty AND the cold reality is people don't want to be in the Russian sphere of influence, because standard of living and other perks.

Russia would have a bit more leg to stand on if they offered something in return, but they don't seem interested in fixing their own country.. they just want to fuck up more of their neighbors for good old times sake.

Edited by Aquashark at 04:45 CST, 13 February 2015

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gojira_ - Reply to #414

Reptilian bloodline?

I thought you didn't believe in that shite.

<< Comment #428 @ 05:43 CST, 13 February 2015 >>

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #427

I don't: I figured if someone didn't pick up on my facetious intent from the context, at least the mention of Jew Lizards would be a clue...

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gojira_ - Reply to #428

It was entertaining imo.

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #431

The entertaining part starts now, when stupid people read a clearly satirical post which attempts to shit on every side, then disregard the parts which criticize the factions they disagree with, focus on the parts which criticize the factions they agree with and assume it's a personal attack on their personal point of view. :D

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<< Comment #432 @ 08:29 CST, 13 February 2015 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #414

@ Commentators west of the iron curtain:

Also kindly shut the fuck up about idiot commies being brain-fed propaganda considering your chosen print publication or news TV station/program is a Hearstonian/Murdochite hammer on the brain in-between ads and airings of whatever reality TV show is big now.

Yeah, so let's ignore the Russian propaganda, it's irrelevant cause our publications have issues. Suuuuure. Forced false equivalence? No way.

It's not like someone is trying to be a smartass my-stance-is-superior-to-yours on every excuse he can. That would be a first on the internet.

Edited by son1dow at 08:30 CST, 13 February 2015

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #432

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU--

<< Comment #435 @ 09:03 CST, 13 February 2015 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #434

Eloquent. I guess you only talk when you want to blow off steam?

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wormed

I didn't want to dig through this bullshit either but I figured that if you still think Crimea was "taken over" by Russia, you should probably understand that:

1) It was "taken over" without a single gun shot.
2) Crimea was apart of the Soviet Union since the time of Catherine the Great, so their history is Russian.
and
3) http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-annexation-o...ll/5430781 <- a recent polling of Crimea by a German group, with support of a Canadian program.

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<< Comment #422 @ 02:12 CST, 13 February 2015 >>

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H1ghlander

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-kozloff...35316.html

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Aquashark - Reply to #422

Nikolas Kozloff Become a fan
Author, 'Revolution! South America and the Rise of the New Left'

so a far-left shill having a quarrel with some far-right scum? pointless as usual

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H1ghlander - Reply to #426

I don't know that guy and i don't know if he is lefty or righty. Do you know about this guy anything?

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Americunts should stop setting the world in flames by proxy.

Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Siria, now Ukraine?

Ukraine had their own regularly democratically elected president, until americans wanted to install their own puppet and a goverment of neo-nazis that carpet bombs their very own people.

How would americunts feel if Russia set Mexico in chaos and installed their puppet president, before installing nuclear warheads pointed directly to america?
Democracy, right?

And Putin should be the bad one? He isn't perfect, but he isn't the asshole of the situation.

Crimea? Crimea has been 100% Russian until just 1950, when Russia gave it as a gift to Ukraine.
97% of Crimea people were in favour of returning back to their old home.

Better Russia than the Neo-nazi infested Ukraine.

Crimea was "taken" without firing a single bullet. People were welckoming Russian soldiers.

What about Ukraine? Ukraine has been Russian longer than Texas have been American. Did you know that, dumb americans? Of course not. Is there anything at all that you know, dumb americans?

Outside of what your corrupted and unfree medias shows down your throats.

The recent petroleum price fall have been yet another tentative to weaken Russia's heavily petroleum-based economy. It didn't work.

And europeans countries should stop harming their very own economies, interests and stability by pretending to be at war with Russia, just to please americunts owners.

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gojira_ - Reply to #433

Most people in this country cannot handle the unpleasant truth about their government being owned. They don't even know why we celebrate Independence day or realize that the joke is on ourselves for doing so.
Sad and pathetic.

Edited by gojira_ at 12:12 CST, 13 February 2015

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wormed - Reply to #437

The unfortunate reality. I definitely agree. It's much easier to assume everyone else is the enemy, and it isn't an internal conflict. It's far easier to believe that you live in a just society, where you can blame others, rather than look inward. It's a manipulation of basic human tendencies at a massive scale.

The fact that people do not understand that Ukraine was taken by coup d'etat, and thus making their government highly illegal, still baffles me. Yes, they had an election. An election where the whole east Ukraine, who is fighting for their lives, wanted nothing to do with. People have an impressive ability to lack empathy; putting yourself in the shoes of others is almost impossible for many. Imagine if your government, who you personally voted for, was taken over by military force. I'm pretty sure you, and the people like you, would not be impressed. Not to mention, your "forced" election is filled with stooges and puppets that don't represent your people at all. Would you fight back? Maybe. We don't know because we've not had to (yet). If your family is in danger, would you fight? Probably.

Russia isn't the enemy. Putin isn't the enemy. Ukraine isn't the enemy. Countries in and of themselves are not the enemy. Leaders, their cronies, and the decisions they make are the enemy. Poroshenko and his stooge government is the enemy. The USA, who constantly and consistently, bombards the world with lies, that are PROVEN over and over again, is your enemy. What blows me away is that the people of this world can be told lie after lie after lie and, amazingly, still believe in the institution who is perpetuating these lies.

I posted just above a recent poll of Crimean's and whether they supported the annexation. It should be a huge eye opener for people who are still under the ridiculous notion that Russia swept in there with their "propaganda" and swayed an entire peninsula to rejoin them. Not a single showing of military force, no gun shots, no nothing, just peaceful democracy doing what it's supposed to do. Allow the people the freedom and right to decide their fate.

Anyway, at least when it comes to the Ukraine situation, I hope this meeting between France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine resolves something. Obviously, there needs to be some communication and coordination in person with the people of Lugansk/Donetsk. But, and let's be honest here, the best course of action was to exclude the USA. They need to know their place and it's not regulating the world with their bullshit agenda.

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son1dow - Reply to #438

Putin isn't the enemy. Ukraine isn't the enemy. Countries in and of themselves are not the enemy. Leaders, their cronies, and the decisions they make are the enemy.

Bitch pls

Edited by son1dow at 12:18 CST, 14 February 2015

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wormed - Reply to #442

> The USA, who constantly and consistently, bombards the world with lies, that are PROVEN over and over again, is your enemy. What blows me away is that the people of this world can be told lie after lie after lie and, amazingly, still believe in the institution who is perpetuating these lies.

Bitch pls.

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son1dow - Reply to #445

Firstly, the near east is irrelevant here.

Secondly, you're accusing the usa of rigging the the protests presumably? If you knew shit you'd know people were mad unhappy with the corrupt government in place. Either way, even assuming USA did that, how is that comparable to supplying a whole country's worth of weapons, a bunch of legions, and bringing war to a nation which has a political problem (probably a preferable one than the previous)?

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wormed - Reply to #446

I never brought up a single protest. So your presumption is based on nothing and pretty stupid. However, in regards to that, the previous coup was called the "Orange Revolution", another USA supported program which ousted the previous government. Unfortunately, this allowed Yanukovich to gain power, who was also a corrupt piece of shit, but he didn't listen to the people who put him there (ie, didn't want to join the EU/wanted friendly relations with Russia), so out he went too.

Now, your second part... are you actually trying to tell me that Russia is the only country in this world supplying other countries (or groups) with weaponry? I mean, you can't be, can you? Because that would make me, and almost anyone with a brain, think you're an idiot and incapable of objective thought. The USA supplies plenty of regimes with weaponry, "legally" and illegally. This is fact. Russia has supplied many countries with weaponry, you're right. However, if the separatists are to be assumed to be "Russian-supported" due to this, I guess you could say the Ukrainian army is also "Russian-supported." The Kiev government has purchased millions and millions of dollars of Russian built military weaponry. Another fact is that the DPK/LPK have taken many Ukrainian military bases in the areas of their control. This isn't unknown. It's then obvious to assume, at least to someone who isn't blinded by really poor "journalism", that these people have taken control of many military weapons. However, if you do enough digging you can find that this has also been confirmed by Kiev regarding weaponry/vehicle losses to the east.

"Bring war to a nation with a political problem", excuse me, but do you mean Crimea? I've posted above very valid proof that shows the reason why it was annexed so easily. If you're still so ignorant enough to believe that Russia has mind-bending telepathy powers to take over a peninsula without a single gun shot, I really don't know what to tell you. Your mother and father would be disappointed in you.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-annexation-o...ll/5430781

Furthermore, even if Russia was supporting the separatists, which there is really no proof of (and by Russians, I'm talking the Russian military, not people of Russian descent), why is Russia considered the horrible enemy, yet the USA/EU dictators who are dipping their fingers in the issue aren't at fault? If you want to blame Putin, in this regard, you should also be bashing every other country getting involved in something they shouldn't be.

You can believe what you want, however, you are simply one of the majority. The best quote I can think of is this:

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." -Mark Twain.

EDIT: Fixed something. I mean't posted "above", not "below." I also added it because apparently you recently posted something and said that Crimea was brought to the polls at gunpoint (lol).

Edited by wormed at 21:21 CST, 14 February 2015

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son1dow - Reply to #450

I never brought up a single protest. So your presumption is based on nothing and pretty stupid.

My presumption was based on the fact that you find the west relevant here at all. Apparently, you just like excusing Russian via blaming the west in general, so sure, I take my point back. Doesn't make your defense of Russia look any nicer though.

Now, your second part... are you actually trying to tell me that Russia is the only country in this world supplying other countries (or groups) with weaponry? I mean, you can't be, can you? Because that would make me, and almost anyone with a brain, think you're an idiot and incapable of objective thought. The USA supplies plenty of regimes with weaponry, "legally" and illegally. This is fact. Russia has supplied many countries with weaponry, you're right. However, if the separatists are to be assumed to be "Russian-supported" due to this, I guess you could say the Ukrainian army is also "Russian-supported." The Kiev government has purchased millions and millions of dollars of Russian built military weaponry. Another fact is that the DPK/LPK have taken many Ukrainian military bases in the areas of their control. This isn't unknown. It's then obvious to assume, at least to someone who isn't blinded by really poor "journalism", that these people have taken control of many military weapons. However, if you do enough digging you can find that this has also been confirmed by Kiev regarding weaponry/vehicle losses to the east.

Furthermore, even if Russia was supporting the separatists, which there is really no proof of (and by Russians, I'm talking the Russian military, not people of Russian descent), why is Russia considered the horrible enemy, yet the USA/EU dictators who are dipping their fingers in the issue aren't at fault? If you want to blame Putin, in this regard, you should also be bashing every other country getting involved in something they shouldn't be.

(I am blaming everyone involved in anything like this BTW, only in this specific topic it's the Russians, which you can't deal with sadly).

Why do you insist on accepting evil geopolitics as a normal thing and defending it, instead of blaming it where it's due? In this case, that would be Russia, not the West, in case you're confused.

Now, to compare Ukraine buying Russian weapons as a country before a conflict with Russia erupts to what the separatists received is nothing short of ludicrous.
1) The Russians are supplying what Ukraine themselves probably couldn't afford for their own interests, and they're doing it not for sale, but to further their own interests obviously
2) There are probably professional Russian troops fighting there
3) There are ouf-of-the street patriotic Russians fighting there, too. Those signing up aren't brought there "help their Ukrainian brothers". They're there for the several hundred dollars & the greatness of Russia, as flyers I'm sure you've seen show.
4) Russian ex-generals themselves admit that the conflict itself wouldn't have been sprung without Russia's involvement.

just read up about this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin
5) Russia doesn't even seem interested in giving aid the the region, really. Instead they focus on supplying weaponry and chaos, to destabilize Ukraine instead of to help the dissatisfied Russians in Ukraine's east.

Ignoring all this and comparing Ukraine to the separatists in terms of being Russia-aided is the most ridiculous thing you've said of all. It in fact questions whether you were at all interested in finding the truth instead of just being mislead by in-group bias or whatever else. How could anyone with half a brain make this kind of comparison, or defend Russia here at all?

I'm not sure why I should bother with the no proof claim, well clearly you don't care to be informed.

Hopefully you're not intentionally malicious and just have US drone strikes stuck in your mind or something. I wish you well and hope it passes.

"Bring war to a nation with a political problem", excuse me, but do you mean Crimea?

No, I mean everything, the whole separatist-Ukraine-Russia conflict.. But regarding Crimea, it's a little curious to find such a diverse area to be so unanimous in Russian support. We have good reason to doubt the poll results, considering the people are still in the middle of a conflict. I'd agree with Putin occupying Lithuania too, if such a conflict was around me. Don't wanna gather any bad attention.
Even if they agree with the annexation, dealing with international affairs in such a manner is a breach of international law and is exactly the step that shouldn't be taken to ensure people don't get hurt. If you don't understand that, there's no argument to be had.

here's an inside source explaining how the occupation went:

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wormed - Reply to #466

The question is, then, why do you believe that Russia is more to blame than the west/EU? I'm not defending it at all. I've said already that I believe all nations should get their hands off Ukraine.

1) Supplying Ukraine what they couldn't afford? What? You realize that before this unjust war, Ukraine had income, had a GDP, and used its money to buy weaponry for their military, like any other country.
2) Probably. But they're not fighting THE RUSSIAN ARMY. Just like you can find articles about USA/EU fighters on the side of Kiev. A simple google search will find many of these fighters.
3) Yes. This has been confirmed. I've posted an article saying that there are approximately 5000 Russian's on the ground in Ukraine. Again, if you read my posts, I'm not defending their being there. I think ALL foreign parties need to exit. But again, it has been confirmed by the head of the Ukrainian military, as well as the head of the SBU (their CIA) that there is NO REGULAR RUSSIAN ARMY IN UKRAINE.
4) Bullshit. Got any proof? It's already obvious your timelines are screwed. Mainly because you pre-date the Crimean annexation to the Maiden protests. Crimea was taken afterwards. Which means that Russia was not apart of the conflict until after the overthrow of Yanukovich.
5) The ONLY country that has PROOF that they sent aid is Russia. The white convoys they sent were verified by the OSCE to be nothing more than aid. There is no proof that Russia is supplying the separatists with military weaponry. However, you can prove that the USA very desperately wants to provide military weaponry to Ukraine, but fortunately, the EU has some brains (Germany/France).

What is ridiculous is that you seemingly don't understand how a conflict would pan out. Ukraine's military bases HAVE been taken over, in the east, by separatists. This, I'm sure you believe, is true. Then, it's obvious to understand, that the weaponry they HAVE is simply Ukrainian military weaponry WHICH was sold to them by Russia.

I think you need to dictionary.com the word malicious because no where in my dialogue am I the malicious one.

Regarding Crimea, I already posted a February 2015 poll done by GERMANY with the assistance of a CANADIAN program. If you really think that you can FORCE a population to annex their own country into the hands of an "enemy", you're a fucking retard. Look at what happened when they tried to do it in Ukraine? Riots. Protests. WAR. You also seemingly forget that Crimean history is RUSSIAN. They ARE Russians.

Don't be so damn naive.

Edited by wormed at 09:36 CST, 16 February 2015

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noacc - Reply to #468

"4) Bullshit. Got any proof?"
if you mean article about Strelkov, no its not. Whether or not he was directly ruled by Russian government while being main DNR guy will remain unknown I believe. But there is no smoke without a fire, you know... The "ex" national security employee suddenly appears in the middle of the conflict, which is very similar to others where he took part while being under RU government command. This sets one thinking.

"What is ridiculous is that you seemingly don't understand how a conflict would pan out. Ukraine's military bases HAVE been taken over, in the east, by separatists. This, I'm sure you believe, is true. Then, it's obvious to understand, that the weaponry they HAVE is simply Ukrainian military weaponry WHICH was sold to them by Russia."
not only ex Ukraine's bases but USSR military stores are there too, they do not even have enough trained personnel to use all the vehicles they have.

Edited by noacc at 13:58 CST, 16 February 2015

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son1dow - Reply to #468

The question is, then, why do you believe that Russia is more to blame than the west/EU?

The west supports a democratically elected government, so even if they did anything it would be quite righteous. (Everyone had their change to participate in the elections, had there been good uncorrupt politicians to replace the terrible Yanukovich, the east would have had their representatives) However, west governments don't have their soldiers running around in Ukraine. They don't supply incredible weapons to the Ukrainians. They don't have voluenteers recruited for money with a slogan "For the greatness of EU, come and fight!".

Most blame you could try and put would be during the peaceful Euromaidan protest, trying to somehow imply that it was a European organized protest. I guess we'll never know, but it isn't a tenth as bad as what Russia is doing. They overthrew a corrupt politician that wasn't listening to his nation. He had come into power after the orange revolution electorate didn't work out, not because of it.

Russia supports separatists for their own motives. They support a movement that is working against a democratically elected government. They sparked the conflict (sparking it happened not with the protests in Maidan, it was a peaceful protest not anything comparable). They have their leaders leading the separatists. There are Russian soldiers ON RUSSIAN COMMAND in Ukraine. There are loads of Russian separatists, coming in from Russia barely trained, for Russian money, recruited via flyers that don't say "Come help your Ukrainian bretheren". They say "Come, for the greatness of Russia, other Russians are dying and you must help our side". Finally, Russia gives weapons that not even Ukraine could afford to the separatists, ones that only Russia has in many cases.

Nearly everything I say would have to be untrue for anyone to blame the west over Russia here.

1) I compared Ukraine with the separatists there, I meant they supplied the separatists. The most obvious proof is the peace agreement between EU and Russia, where Russians are supposed to fall back with modern weapons that only Russia has. In case you didn't read it. Denying that Russia is supplying the separatists with weapons at this point is ludicrous.

That includes wepaons Ukraine definitely did not buy from Russia.

2) Russian soldiers commanded by Russians, instructed by Russian authorities to come there. For the west, it's one off cases with no government involvement. Totally different.

3) Sure, no regular Russian army. Voluenteers coming for The greatness of Russia, for Russian money. Screams Russian government organized all over.

4) Comparing the protests with the conflict in the East doesn't make sense to me. Who says a conflict had to spring at all? The guy I linked provided a lot of proof, in case you want to read up about him.

5) I replied about the weaponry already, in 1). Regarding help, compared to the modern weapons they supplied, and the separatists they paid, the help costs probably less than 1/100th of their involvement there.

I understand the program was foreign. What I said about being careful, not tipping my hand in such a questioning would still stand. As would my point about the cultural variety in the region, and, most importantly, about the fact that this is the wrong way to annex an area in any case. Don't you agree with that? And that's assuming what Girkin is saying is not true, in regards to tanks being there and people being rushed in the streets to vote.

Crimea isn't half as crucial as the other stuff here, though.

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noacc - Reply to #481

The west supports a democratically elected government, so even if they did anything it would be quite righteous.

sure, except that previous president who run away as coward was not properly deposed according to Ukraniane constitution.

They don't supply incredible weapons to the Ukrainians.

orly? and you trashtalk, that others in this thread are brainwashed

They don't have voluenteers recruited for money with a slogan "For the greatness of EU, come and fight!".

they have volunteers from all the Europe now, but the slogans are different. All nazi scum heading there to earn some money and support their spiritual brothers from Batalion Azov etc.

Most blame you could try and put would be during the peaceful Euromaidan protest

with croud making fire on the street with tires? That is your standard of peacfull demonstration?

trying to somehow imply that it was a European organized protest. I guess we'll never know,

here is one of the few point where I agree

but it isn't a tenth as bad as what Russia is doing.They overthrew a corrupt politician that wasn't listening to his nation. He had come into power after the orange revolution electorate didn't work out, not because of it.

so your standard of democracy is when you have a right to deside to overthrow the government in the foreignn country, because you think its bad for its nation? Hmmm, I heard such type of hypocracy somewhere.

They support a movement that is working against a democratically elected government. They sparked the conflict (sparking it happened not with the protests in Maidan, it was a peaceful protest not anything comparable). They have their leaders leading the separatists. There are Russian soldiers ON RUSSIAN COMMAND in Ukraine. There are loads of Russian separatists, coming in from Russia barely trained, for Russian money, recruited via flyers that don't say "Come help your Ukrainian bretheren". They say "Come, for the greatness of Russia, other Russians are dying and you must help our side".

evidence? Oh wait, you have none, otherwise NATO was already in the Ukraine.

Denying that Russia is supplying the separatists with weapons at this point is ludicrous.

nobody denies it. Russia supports Donbass/Luhanks just like US/EU support Ukraine. And there are solid evidence (OSCE reports among the others) of NATO firearms and shells being used by Ukraine, as well as old USSR armored vehicles from poland. And on the contrast Donbass/Luhansk people are not going to be enslaved in endless debts like the rest of the Ukraine, because Uncle Sam and his European partners are kindly "helping" with unbearable loans in the "hard moment for their friendly democratic nation"

Russian soldiers commanded by Russians, instructed by Russian authorities to come there.

and again where are your evidence?

Sure, no regular Russian army. Voluenteers coming for The greatness of Russia, for Russian money. Screams Russian government organized all over.

you obviously did not happen to live in Ukraine or Russia. Otherwise you would have known, that Eastern Ukraine has very deep connection to Russia and vice versa. Also there are tons of people who totally dislike with situation with nazi in Ukraine which is about to get out of control and they are willing to stop that before it will cross our borders.

Comparing the protests with the conflict in the East doesn't make sense to me. Who says a conflict had to spring at all? The guy I linked provided a lot of proof, in case you want to read up about him.

it makes alot of sense, because there always was deep split between east Ukraine and west Ukraine. People from both sides never liked each other. And I very clearly see that, they would like to be an autonomous part of Ukraine. Problem was, that Ukraine never gave them a chance to actually decide, whether they want to be separate or not. Would they have faught for their freedom without Russian support is another question. But hey our best intends are guard democracy, freedom and human rights in the Ukraine, that why we desided to support them, we know better, what they really want, just like US knows better for the other part.

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noacc - Reply to #466

following your logic one should assume, that US/EU should also stop pumping money and firearms into obviously bankrupt country and then, without money civil war will fade away on its own, and people, who do not want to be ruled by political whores and nazi in the current Ukrainian government could finally have a chance to rebuild their houses?

regarding Crimea, do you really think, that those people want to be in Ukraine, after all they have seen? Sure Russia is not the best country to live in, but hey, at least we have somewhat sane government here, which is not killing their own people for money.

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son1dow - Reply to #472

that US/EU should also stop pumping money and firearms

Sure Russia is not the best country to live in, but hey, at least we have somewhat sane government here, which is not killing their own people for money.

Look bro. Every thread you post about this you make a complete fool out of yourself by showing your beliefs in absurd Russian propaganda. I made many points to more reasonable people, I won't make them to a shill like you.

Hope you try reading some non-Russian media one day, and then you'll be able to talk about this at least with some information. Until then, you make way too many ridiculous points to even bother arguing with you.

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noacc - Reply to #483

so let me guess, about your understanding of the Ukraine crisis:
Putin by his personal volunatary decision ordered to occupy Crimea and Donbass/Luhanks. Crimean occupation was successfull but, Donbass/Luhansk were not so much, because good old America desided that democracy in the country 8000km should not fall to the evil regime of Vladimir Vladimirovich and all the better-than-other countries deside to help Ukraine in its efforts to overcome imperialistic Russian ambitions. Heil to the democracy and human rights!

on the serious note, I just do not understand how you could be so sure about anything these days, when vast majority of public media is clearly full of bs propaganda (both in East and West). There are simply too much desinformation and media wars going on to be sure about what current situation is. Yet you act like you know final truth.

Edited by noacc at 07:44 CST, 17 February 2015

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son1dow - Reply to #486

I know that neither Europe nor US is supplying weapons to Ukraine, nor are there western soldiers fighting by the orders of their countries. It's Ukraine defending itself that made the separatist takeover of Donbass & Luhansk fail.

Russia is heavily involved in this meanwhile, as I elaborated in posts above.

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noacc - Reply to #487

I know that neither Europe nor US is supplying weapons to Ukraine

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ok, can you name Western media sources that you rely on and that you think are independent and do not spread US biased propaganda?

Edited by noacc at 09:09 CST, 17 February 2015

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son1dow - Reply to #433

Neo-nazis, neo-nazis neo-nazis. Repeat that some more so we know that everyone in west Ukraine is actually a neo-nazi. lol.

People were forced on gun point to go to the elections in crimea. People leading them attested to that.

Generally, you seem to buy into the whole "ukraine isn't a country" bullshit and equate Ukrainians with Russians. Ukraine is a nation. It has it's own interests. You don't see disrespecting that as a problem, apparently.
Historically half the europe should still be owned by the Grand Duchy of Lithuania by your logic. That's expansionist appeasement logic, nothing more.

Respecting nations' borders is the best way to keep peace, simple as that. Apparently, for you, that's not preferably. So just go out and say that. Stop accusing everyone of being neo-nazis or sarcastically mocking the average american to worm your way to the same conclusions.

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wormed - Reply to #447

It is well known that there are very prominent neo-nazi factions in Ukraine at this moment (Right Sector, Azov battalion, to name a couple). To consider the whole west as being neo-nazi would be the same ignorance you're showing to Russian's. I feel sorry for the west the most.

"Respecting nations' borders is the best way to keep peace, simple as that." Statements like these are hilarious, mainly because the people who say them are generally hypocrites. However, I do agree with that sentiment. It isn't isolationism to take care of your own people over meddling in the affairs of countries that have nothing to do with you. Regarding this, though, to ignore the meddling of the USA/EU in almost every country on Earth is why your statement is hypocritical.

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<< Comment #457 @ 06:51 CST, 15 February 2015 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #451

It is well known that there are very prominent neo-nazi factions in Ukraine at this moment (Right Sector, Azov battalion, to name a couple). To consider the whole west as being neo-nazi would be the same ignorance you're showing to Russian's. I feel sorry for the west the most.

He clearly exaggerated that, hence my comment. And in general, his whole post was like something straight out of Russian propaganda - only laying blame towards one side, doubting Ukraine's legitimacy as a country and so on. The fact that you seem to defend him and argue aggressively with me is what tips your hand the most - clearly, you've got a point to prove about the west and you're not going to mind some good old Russian propaganda.

I'm not talking about the near east, again. I don't know what you mean by the west meddlining in the affairs of every country on Earth. Western propaganda? Sure, but to bring it up here, where Russia is doing such things as a counterargument... Especially considering that the west's propaganda is not a third as dissasociated from reality as Russian propaganda... Well that's the most hypocritical thing here. Like it was relevant, or somehow compared to acts of war.

Clearly, you've got a bone to pick here. So why not create your own thread regarding the faults of the west, would sound like a perfectly good idea. You could pile your findings there, and nobody would mind. Using them to defend Russia, however, is the most hypocritical thing here.

At first, I thought you blamed the elections and the protests as west-rigged, as that would explain why you think the west is so relevant here. But apparently, you do not. So why not blame China to defend Russia too?

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<< Comment #458 @ 10:08 CST, 15 February 2015 >>

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wormed - Reply to #457

I don't really have a point to prove about the west, the documents (wikileaks, Snowden, Manning, etc) prove that already. I'm just clarifying for you that the USA, and it's EU stooges, are meddling in the affairs of many countries. I didn't realize there were people who still didn't believe that. I'm not just talking about western propaganda. I'm talking about organizations, politicians, and corporations engrained into a countries infrastructure to apply control/demands. Again, I'm not sure I'm reading you correctly, but do you not believe that?

I didn't put all the blame on one side or the other. As I said, if you're going to blame Russia for dipping their fingers into the situation, it'd be hypocritical not to blame and chastise the other countries for doing the same thing (EU/USA). I am not being hypocritical, but you can think that if you want.

Well, the elections were "rigged" in the sense that the whole eastern section of Ukraine didn't take part in it because they were so disgusted with the illegal coup d'etat that removed the man they predominantly voted for. Again, put yourself in their shoes. If your elected representative for your country was forcefully removed, you've eliminated democracy. Period. Pretty sure you'd agree that you'd be a tad bit upset.

Sorry, I don't need to make a new thread on ESReality. :p I'll just continue to stay informed and pop in my 2 cents every now and then. I mean, let's be real here, big brother is definitely watching. ;)

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<< Comment #467 @ 07:32 CST, 16 February 2015 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #458

Sorry, I don't need to make a new thread on ESReality.

I suggested creating your own thread because you seem to be confused as to what the other threads are about, or what posts you defend are claiming. If you think that you can defend Nazi Germany's atrocities by blaming the mongols, go ahead, create a thread and cultivate your readership. I'm sure you'll find many people interested in what you have to say.

To continue on here, or to defend anyone that doubts Ukraine's legitimacy as a country by spouting irrelevant facts (or not facts, again, it's irrelevant) meanwhile, points you out as someone brainwashed by the Russian propaganda. Why the fuck else would you think bad deeds done by the west are even relevant in a case where we're talking about a European country, Ukraine, being invaded by Russian led separatists.

In other words, your 2 cents don't sound informed to anyone at all, they're confused at best and brainwashed at worst.

Edited by son1dow at 07:33 CST, 16 February 2015

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wormed - Reply to #467

> To continue on here, or to defend anyone that doubts Ukraine's legitimacy as a country by spouting irrelevant facts (or not facts, again, it's irrelevant) meanwhile, points you out as someone brainwashed by the Russian propaganda. Why the fuck else would you think bad deeds done by the west are even relevant in a case where we're talking about a European country, Ukraine, being invaded by Russian led separatists.

Confirmed. You actually don't read what I write.

Also, invaded by separatists? THEY'RE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE. There's no invasion whatsoever. I'm brainwashed by Russian propaganda? Jeez. I've posted a few links already to go with what I've said. If you want to chalk it up as Russian propaganda, I feel sorry for you.

And to somehow dismiss the west/EU as being irrelevant, again, is your idiocy and naivete on the subject.

I'm beginning to think more so that you're just an idiot, not brainwashed.

Edited by wormed at 09:43 CST, 16 February 2015

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son1dow - Reply to #469

Confirmed. You actually don't read what I write.

And to somehow dismiss the west/EU as being irrelevant, again, is your idiocy and naivete on the subject.

No, it just is irrelevant. How are they relevant? Tell me. If you mention some shit that's outside Europe again, I'm not replying.

Also, invaded by separatists? THEY'RE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.

Led by Russian FSB agents, using Russian people and with Russian weapons, helped by Russian soldiers too. Sparked by Russians.

Ukrainian people my ass.

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Lacceh - Reply to #467

being invaded by Russian led separatists

Where is your evidence? You have none.

You're just another drone, brainwashed by mainstream media bullshit. Programmed to hate Russians, Putin, and keep fighting your fellow humans, while the puppetmasters mindfuck you and exploit the resources. Maybe if you took a step back you'd realize. Although for z3ct4d it's probably too late, he seems to have been damaged permanently.

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son1dow - Reply to #471

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin for example.

Either way, there's proof in the peace treaty that Russia is supplying modern weapons that the Ukraine didn't have, that Russian soldiers are there, that Russia is recruiting voluenteers for "the greatness of Russia".

I guess believing what everybody is reporting makes me brainwashed.

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z3ct4d

Tree days ago:
Vladimir Jirinovsky, ex-speaker of russian Parliament, leader of "liberal" oppositional (pro-cremlins in real) party had threated with the nuclear war to Europe:
From the tribune of parliament he blamed the Europe sanctions in russian financial problems, and suggested to bombing the Germany and burn the Paris with the nuclear weapon.
(russian, no En subs)

PS, Yes, mostly his character is a clown-like, and most people only smiling listening him. (Btw, He takes 10-15% on presidents electiions.) But, joker can say that thing, which King cannot say being "saint". That's why need to listen what joker say, cos he knows King's mind.

The cremlins rulers menthality since the 1990-x that USSR corruption is unfair, and need to assemble it back. Since the Ukraine took independance many russians politics says that Ukraine - is not a state, and that Crimea peninsula is russian. We had many russian intrusions in our politics and economics, katsaps corrupted Ukraine inside it as much they could do that for many years. And what we have today - the war. And today katsaps threat the World with nuclear war... But we do not afraid, cos we know katsaps. Even if they do that.
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A week ago got a statistics: in one year of conflict in the east of Ukraine died more russians troops that for 10 year of soviet war in Afghanistan. Congrats! Bye and die, dirty katsaps! Fuck off from our lands! Right to the hell!

Edited by z3ct4d at 11:39 CST, 14 February 2015

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wormed - Reply to #439

I truly feel sorry for you. Blinded by ignorance and bigotry. I hope the conflict sees resolution.

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<< Comment #443 @ 12:23 CST, 14 February 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #440

- You can say anything about liberal russians in Canada and USA which escaped from communistic nonhuman regime, but the other thing when You live here, and see the worst side of russians everyday. ("Oh ye, i'm probaly blinded, and dreamed about war")
There is no peaceful solution for conflict, for all history of Russia there was conflicts around it, cremlin's satanic regime is not peaceful. It's like cancer: conquest more and more lands, and do not care about them, even if it hungering or totally burning.

<< Comment #441 @ 12:14 CST, 14 February 2015 >>

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gienon

Polish presidential candidate from the left says she is going to negotiate with Putin. If good ol' Vlad does have some imperial ambitions indeed, after the "negotiations" he'll just have a cigarette and pass up on any of them.

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<< Comment #444 @ 12:57 CST, 14 February 2015 >>

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wormed - Reply to #441

The country with a confirmed (whistleblowers, wikileaks documents) imperialistic agenda is the USA. However, in regards to this Polish presidential candidate:

Daaayaaaamn. I'd negotiate with her.

Edited by wormed at 12:57 CST, 14 February 2015

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Gobotz - Reply to #441

You lucky mother fuckers! Bangin'!

We get Hill-dog... woof woof.

I thought Sarah palin was bangable... that girl is rediculous!

She could be the whore of babylon the bible talks about... i hope so.

Edited by Gobotz at 01:32 CST, 15 February 2015

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DamianLillard - Reply to #441

Link to me when you find pornstar version of her akin to Sarah Palin - Lisa Ann thing

<< Comment #449 @ 15:30 CST, 14 February 2015 >>

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Gobotz

The war is about natural resources and world currency.
All the pipelines in Ukraine are Russian owned.
It allows them huge leverage over Europe. I think they supply 50% of Europes gas and oil.
The USA doesn't like this. And now that Russia, China, Brazil and a few other countries are working together to form their own version of a world bank it's in direct conflict with the IMF and World Bank.

By trading in currencies different than the petro dollar (US dollar) they are devaluing US currency more so than
it already is. Since the USA has no actual gold to back up the amount of money we print on a daily basis we are headed towards hyper inflation. When that happens the entire world economy will tank. Except for those who have been preparing for it like the above mentioned countries.

The Ukraine conflict probably won't last much longer. Most of Europe will back out of sanctions against Russia due to the fact that they rely on Russia for natural resources. Don't bite the hand that feeds.
Russia will never give up their strategic post in the Black Sea.

The USA started this when they installed their air defense system in Poland. Now their moving right into Russian territory. All of which we said we would never do.

In the end it will be... Moldova who gets fucked in the ass.

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wormed - Reply to #449

Agreed, my man! Especially regarding currencies. This is obvious as you see many of the BRICS nations now trading in their own currencies. Makes sense that a nation should be able to do this but not to the almighty petro-dollar!

Also, Russia (and other BRICS nations) continues to trade resources with the USA regardless of sanctions. Russia, in turn, takes the over-valued US dollar used to buy their product and turns around and purchases their gold supply. You can see a lot of headlines showing the increase in gold purchases from these nations.

It'll be interesting to see the eventual fallout from all of this. Unfortunately, as a Canadian, if the USA falls, we're taking a huge hit ourselves. :(

<< Comment #453 @ 23:32 CST, 14 February 2015 >>

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Gobotz

You're the only cool Canadian I know.

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H1ghlander - Reply to #453

blasphemy!

BLAME CANADA! :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

<< Comment #455 @ 01:26 CST, 15 February 2015 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #454

They probably are behind all of it.

"ehhh, weee're tired of playing second fiddle ehh"
"Jes suis anana"

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noacc - Reply to #453

on a side note, what is all that T&P buzz in South Park all about and why is Aik Canadian?

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z3ct4d

1962:
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wormed - Reply to #459

It's 2015:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-military...ss/5431369

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z3ct4d

- O, i forgot that pictures in Web wasn't too popular in 1962. ^_^
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"No russians in Ukraine, bla-bla"
Really?:

(typical mongolioian face, probably burytian nationality. Katsap say "hi" to russian cities)

Dont be russian dumbass idiot-like, you will not hide from justice!

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wormed - Reply to #461

Russian volunteers != Russian army.

I already know you're an ignorant bigot but I think you need to discern between the two. The link I posted says there are probably around 5000 Russian volunteers in Ukraine. Is it wrong for you to want them out? No. But you're not fighting the Russian army. This needs to be realized.

I will admit that ALL foreign parties need to leave so that Ukraine can handle their own shit. The problem is that this is an economic issue as well. Your country is bankrupt. It has no money. If USA/EU weren't getting involved, your country might need to think about debt. Unfortunately, you've got the IMF and the rest of the bullshit banks enslaving your people to grandiose amounts of debt to continue a war that shouldn't exist in the first place.

You need to READ and THINK. I cannot help you with your blatant bigotry, however.

Edited by wormed at 13:42 CST, 15 February 2015

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<< Comment #463 @ 14:24 CST, 15 February 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #462

- I know that our economics isn't ok. We had stolen budget money by pro-russian goverment of Yanukovich, now we have a inflation and non-pronounced war, which is 10-x more intense than soviet Afghan war. But what you suppose to do? To surrender? You really think that people will meet katsaps murderers with bread-and-salt after all of that? All history that "orс's motherland" made agression on it's borders, and genocide the captured nations.
Fuck you, russian sympathizer! But, i 99% sure that you're fat rusky under CA flag, so fuck you twice!

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wormed - Reply to #463

Surrender? To who? You're not fighting against anyone except your own people in an unconstitutional, unjust war. You need to open your eyes and realize that the only people you're killing and hurting is your own people and your own country. That is the real tragedy.

Yanukovich was a criminal. However, again, you should do your research and find out why he came to power. Do your due diligence on the "Orange Revolution" and you'll realize that your country, sadly, has been a puppet for many years, like lots of countries. It's following the exact same schematic it did 10 years ago which was to push Ukraine towards NATO/EU.

What you should want is to allow the people of the east to be granted autonomy. How would this affect you? If they so dearly want to be separate from Ukraine and you hate them so much, why do you care? Especially, if it's just filled with "katsaps"? You call them murderers, but again, you're just ignoring the facts. Your hatred through bigotry is your own defence. It's becoming clearer that maybe you're part of one of the many neo-nazi groups that have infected your poor country. I'm waiting for you to scream "heil Hitler" at this point.

Regarding your last sentence, I'm sorry but I'm not a Russian, nor am I fat. I'm simply a Canadian. If you want to call me a sympathizer, I sympathize with the Ukrainian people. Why would I sympathize with Russia? Their country isn't being destroyed from the inside by countries that should leave you the hell alone.

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<< Comment #479 @ 16:01 CST, 16 February 2015 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #462

"Russian volunteers != Russian army."

I need expert analysis, could you help:

"Life News" exposed Russian Federation Army's 136th Motorized Rifle Brigade in Debaltseve

and

In this you can spot Russian T-72B3 tanks. Some comparison here.

Volunteers come with tanks nowadays? Who were the green men in Crimea?

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noacc - Reply to #479

same shit goes on and on since the conflict beginning, there were photos, videos here and there, "honest" people were swearing on bible they saw the whole RU division crossing the border, yet everything turned out to be lie even the "evidence" which US gov. representative claimed to be true. How many times Ukraniane officials desperately screamed, that Russia is envading them, yet they finally confirmed by themselves that they are not fighting regular Russian army. And despite that its already nearly a year of civil war there, there are still no solid evidence of Russian army presence in Ukraine.
Sure Russia do help rebels, just like US&co pumps money and weaponry into the nazi government of Ukraine.
Who were the green men in Crimea? It was never secret, those ppl were Russian troops.

Edited by noacc at 03:56 CST, 17 February 2015

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<< Comment #484 @ 06:13 CST, 17 February 2015 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #480

so they took Crimea with Russian troops, but somehow refrain from doring the same in Eastern Ukraine? i see..

<< Comment #485 @ 07:19 CST, 17 February 2015 >>

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noacc - Reply to #484

People there are not so united in their effort to join Russia as in Crimea, also Donbass and Luhansk are not as strategically important. So no, it is not worth it to send there regular army.

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rehepapp - Reply to #485

Wait, I don't understand now. There is a video where it shows Russian tanks in eastern Ukraine. Are you trying to say it's 3D montage? Or you want to say that Russia is letting rebels use their tanks without their supervision or personnel present?

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noacc - Reply to #490

you are so naive, video could be set up, could be from other conflict, could be dated wrong, could be simply wrongly interpreted in terms of symbols and actual tank modifications. I am not expert in such deep details so I can not say whether this video is fake or not. Just like this video there are others with NATO heavy weaponry and foreign volunteer soldiers fighting for the Ukraine and Ukraniane fanatic soldiers screaming "for the Ukraine, America with us!". You can find all that shit easely on youtube. And now what? We should take all that pile of crap like a pure truth?

P.S. All I want to say is that people are quick to judge and to jump on the hatred train. And then, when their initial evidences fade away, they could not admit, they were wrong so they develop even more hate. Very valid for some people here in this thread. Hope this is not about you.

Edited by noacc at 01:51 CST, 18 February 2015

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<< Comment #494 @ 05:40 CST, 18 February 2015 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #492

Or you're just being in complete denial and there are actually russian forces in Ukraine.

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<< Comment #495 @ 06:13 CST, 18 February 2015 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #494

b-b-but only evil West led by zionists can engage in false flag conflicts.. i've seen it on my 2-3 state controlled TV stations

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<< Comment #501 @ 10:43 CST, 18 February 2015 >>

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noacc - Reply to #495

:)

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noacc - Reply to #494

maybe, we will know in couple months I guess

Edited by noacc at 10:57 CST, 18 February 2015

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wormed - Reply to #490

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-military...ss/5431369

I imagine you can believe the Ukrainian military commander and the head of the Ukrainian secret service?

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Are people still taking this position even after the facts state otherwise? If you think the people of Crimea are so weak as to simply give up their sovereignty to "the enemy", you're a god damn moron.

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Bob - Reply to #480

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noacc - Reply to #513

sure it is, like always, anyway what this article has to do with the thread topic?

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Bob - Reply to #518

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noacc - Reply to #519

evil Soviet Russia will enslave you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iOK3Echp78
lyrics = pure gold :D

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Lacceh - Reply to #479

wtf is 24today.net? lol

also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJmDu7Xlyq4

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rehepapp - Reply to #491

dno here is some more http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28961080

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russia today?? :D:D:D: am i rite?

Edited by rehepapp at 05:40 CST, 18 February 2015

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noacc - Reply to #493

oh yea BBC article based on NATO report. They are as much "independent" as CNN and RT are.
and even they operate with very cautious terms: "date and location are unconfirmed but...", "feasible", "could have been" etc

if you prefer UK sources I'd suggest to switch your attention to Channel 4 instead of BBC. They are really doing good job trying to present available information without bias and unnecessary speculations and quick assumptions based on non verified evidences. Reading their reports I personally do not feel like they have some kind of set up agenda in contrast to CNN, BBC, RT etc.

On a side note. Even though said media sources are extremely biased, I find it very productive to read them, since they provide the official position and opinion of each side.

Edited by noacc at 10:32 CST, 18 February 2015

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rehepapp - Reply to #498

Dno, the evidence seems to accumulate from different sources. I think the biggest delusion you Russians have is that one institution can control so many different sources (by your comments even down to independent Youtube videos).

But I guess I could live with your version that the terrorists of eastern UA have learned how to forge Russian equipment.

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noacc - Reply to #499

:)) the biggest problem is that most of you Europeans would rather put all Russian in one bucket and assume they are brainwashed dolls while this is not even remotely true.
And no, I do not think, that one institution can control everything, this is not possible. Sooner or later everything becomes clear. If you assumed that I do really believe all our national propaganda, then I probably failed to articulate my points properly. In many posts I try to exaggerate things, so my point is more clear, but I guess I am bad writer as your are not the only one who did not get it :(

P.S. Dno=dont know or what?

Edited by noacc at 10:41 CST, 18 February 2015

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rehepapp - Reply to #500

Dno = don't know. Meant to emphasise that I'm not 100% sure, but it seems to lean that way from the reports. Might be using the expression too loosely.

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wormed - Reply to #493

I'm waiting for the CNN/FOX news article for more hard proof...

... lol.

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wormed - Reply to #479

You do realize that Russia has had a military base in Crimea for many years, right? Err wait, you probably don't because you're asking this question. However, regardless of that, earlier I posted a study which was done by a German organization with the help of a Canadian program. I guess you missed that. What a surprise. This study was done in February of this year and paints a pretty obvious picture:

1) Crimean's wanted to be with Russia
2) Crimea has only been apart of Ukraine for 60 years, compared to being within the Soviet Union FOR A FUCKTON LONGER.
3) It makes perfect sense that a country, who has it's complete history with Russia, would be fine with rejoining.

Do you want to believe it? Your call. But you'd have to be a god damn ignorant super dumb shit to believe that any government can forcibly take over a peninsula without a gun shot and just MAKE people vote. Seriously, people believe that? Fuck me. You got a god damn civil war in Ukraine right now because the people didn't want to be led under an illegal bullshit coup government, but you think the Crimean people were just SO FUCKING SCARED they voted their sovereignty away to "the enemy"? Fuck me.

Second, Russia has sold tanks to Ukraine before. You might as well blame Russia every time you see an AK-47 too, right?

Lastly, the east has taken many Ukrainian bases. These bases, obvious to anyone with a brain, contained machinery, weapons, etc. This has been confirmed by the Ukrainian army in terms of vehicles/weapons lost. The east has acquired tanks from these bases.

Edited by wormed at 18:16 CST, 18 February 2015

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rehepapp - Reply to #506

Have I said anything about Crimean dipshits not wanting to be part of Russia? It has nothing to do with the original point. The point was that Russia already had it's troops on Ukrainian soil and thus it's most likely they have no problem having them in other parts as well.

What people wanted in Crimea is completely irrelevant as it was/is(?) Ukrainian territory and Russia took it's troops there. That was the invasion.

Ukrainian army does not have those tanks. Either Russia sent them there or rebels forged them themselves. And how likely it is that Russians will just donate some of their higher end tanks without personnel or supervision? Not likely.

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wormed - Reply to #507

... because Russia has a military base in Crimea. Has had one for years. There goes that dumb theory.

What the people wanted is irrelevant? Yea, fuck democracy, right? Again, Russia has always been in Crimea. Apparently I need to spell this out for you:

R-u-s-s-i-a w-a-s a-l-r-e-a-d-y t-h-e-r-e

Um, Ukrainian army doesn't have those tanks? What do you mean? Are you trying to tell me the Ukrainian army never owned Russian-made tanks? Well damn, that's a dumb ass thoughtless position. The rebels stole them from the military bases they tookover in the east. Again, this has been confirmed by Kiev.

I can only relay what has occurred. I cannot help you with your bigotry and weird disdain for Russia.

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No, Ukrainian army never had the specific models. I suppose you're one of those "what car do you have? red" people.

It seems that your mind can't grasp that even when Russians don't have their regular army there, it doesn't mean that they don't have smaller units.

From the link you posted before:

During a briefing with General Muzenko he announced that "To date, we have only the involvement of some members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Russian citizens that are part of illegal armed groups involved in the fighting. We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army. We have enough forces and means in order to inflict a final defeat even with illegal armed formation present. "- he said.

But I suppose if it's not official and there are only some then we'll call them volunteers. Nobody is fucking saying that it's a full blown invasion. Ukraine couldn't handle and Russia afford that.

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And they didn't use insignia in Crimea exactly why? Whose orders do you think they took?

Lets try to explain it to you some other way. If you have your units in another country and it's OK, it's called a deal. If your units start working against the country, it instantly becomes an invasion. If you want to play the whose peninsula it is game then maybe we should also take into account that it was originally Tatar's before Russians mass deported them out of there. Imagine if every minority in an area that they make the majority in started asking for democratic vote for a republic. Hell, you could demand a vote in your basement by your logic.

But okay, blabber on.

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Gobotz - Reply to #509

Both countries smell fuckin weird....
that's all I need to know.

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gienon - Reply to #509

"Imagine if every minority in an area that they make the majority in started asking for democratic vote for a republic. Hell, you could demand a vote in your basement by your logic."

Oh yeah.

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inTheory - Reply to #512

yeah. except the free market isn't really free because some base assumptions are just implausible (unlimited pool of resources, consumers and producers).
Apart from that some things (e.g. jurisdiction) can not be done privately for obvious reasons.

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gienon - Reply to #514

I'll venture to say that every economics textbook (regardless of the authors' ideology but certainly including consistent free marketeers) starts off with acknowledging the existence of scarcity. Not only is there no such assumption as unlimited pool of resources, consumers and producers, but, to the contrary, due to the fact that we live in a world of scarce means and unlimited ends, allocation of resources is necessary. Private property-based free markets is one of many ways, and I'd argue the best one, of selecting those scarce means for the attainment of, again, unlimited ends.

In other words, if it were true that free marketeers assume unlimited resources, the whole concept would become superfluous, since its sole purpose is to guide human action in a scarce world.

As regards your second point, the technical reasons behind states' provision of law (or, more precisely, conflict resolution) I presume you're thinking of are becoming less and less obvious, as evidenced by the flourishing of private arbitration services, quite likely related to how slow and inconveniencing the state courts are. Jurisdiction is being increasingly privatized to the benefit of both parties looking to resolve a conflict, but there is still a long way to go.

Edited by gienon at 13:34 CST, 19 February 2015

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Yet most of these theories chose to ignore the existence of scarcity whenever it is convenient. E.g. lets privatize the road system. So when the private road owner starts providing a bad product (i.e. extortionary tolls) someone will come up with a competing business and build competing roads.

In one way or another all "free market = free society" theories rely on either unlimited resources, unlimited consumers or unlimited producers. Additionally a lot of those have the assumption of fair play going on.

Whats your idea for a situation, where one conflict party wants to avoid conflict settlement?

Apart from that, jurisdiction is not just about conflict resolution:
The murder victim is dead, there is no conflict left to solve? Just forget about the murderer?

Edited by inTheory at 16:27 CST, 19 February 2015

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gienon - Reply to #523

"Yet most of these theories chose to ignore the existence of scarcity whenever it is convenient. E.g. lets privatize the road system. So when the private road owner starts providing a bad product (i.e. extortionary tolls) someone will come up with a competing business and build competing roads."

You'd be right if proponents of those theories maintained that an increased competition in the roads business (because of higher prospective returns) wouldn't take away resources from other branches (those with lower returns). If a theorist claims that, you're right, but it's a negligible percentage. I don't even know how far from the mainstream you'd have to branch out to find an economist holding this view.

"In one way or another all "free market = free society" theories rely on either unlimited resources, unlimited consumers or unlimited producers."

Well, until you provide quotations or at least names of economists with this view, your assertion only rests on your perceived image of what is claimed by some theorists, which may or may not be a correct image.

"Additionally a lot of those have the assumption of fair play going on."

Again, this really isn't the case in economics. The assumption is that market participants strive for their subjective goals with some means available to them. Fair play isn't even defined in economics, since it's an ethical proposition.
If in fact an opportunity to get rich in a one-time swindle occured with no discipline of constant dealings, the response from your counterparts is to develop institutions that try to bring you in line, e.g. transactions before a notary for significant purchases or a general massive discount at which used cars sell (50% off for a 3-year car takes into account the risk of buying a piece of junk). The possibility for fraud is recognized by economists.

There are a few ways of dealing with people who'd refuse to participate in a conflict resolution. Let's go along with the murderer case.

1) the murder victim presumably has family members or friends who will file a lawsuit. They select a number of judges offering their arbitration services on the market (presumably known for fair rulings in the past, otherwise either the defendant or the plaintiff would prefer another judge) If they make the effort of offering a number of judges and the suspected murderer refuses all of them without suggesting his judges, there will be widespread understanding that he's not willing to defend himself and the case can be ruled in absentia (but will still be fair if the judge wants to maintain his income-generating clout of being fair for future cases) If we assume that the murderer had a policy with a private defense agency to protect him, this agency would have to accept the outcome of a ruling unfavourable to its customer in order for the punishment to be dealt out. If it does, case closed - murderer is put to jail or killed - justice is served. The agency would almost surely agree, because to entice business from the murderer (before he was a murderer) in the first place, the contract would state a list of respectable judges or a mechanism of picking a judge with other agencies (including the victim's private defense agency). The alternative is to have a bellicose agency which would have to fight other agencies every time a case was brought to it. Such an agency would obviously find its operations ridiculously costly and wouldn't be able to attract customers because of high premiums that the customers would have to pay to finance its mini-wars. So the cost-effective option is to have pre-arranged ways of settling on a judge.

So if the agency of the murderer agrees to accept a judge's ruling and the ruling is that the customer should be punished, the agency would simply not defend him and the plaintiff's agency could proceed to punishing him according to the judge's ruling.

There are other ways of punishing an offender such as ostracism but I went on for too long. If you're interested in finding out more on what I've written above and other possibilities of private law and defense provision, my personal favourite is this interview - http://lionsofliberty.com/2014/05/22/lions-of...apitalism/ There's also Murphy's booklet titled Chaos Theory if you prefer it in writing.

Edited by gienon at 18:21 CST, 19 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #524

You'd be right if proponents of those theories maintained that an increased competition in the roads business (because of higher prospective returns) wouldn't take away resources from other branches (those with lower returns).

You failed to see the point here - competition in the roads business is not very likely, is it? There is only so much room to build roads and once a road is established, businesses and residents need that road. I can't really move my house or my factory, even if an alternative road is built (on magically appearing space???). Worst case - I'll buy all the roads around your house: now you are my slave - you can't even leave without my permission.

[...] Fair play isn't even defined in economics.

Yes it is. "Non-aggression principle" - It is the corner stone of almost all market liberal theories. Aggression can also be of economical nature: establishment of syndicates, abuse of market position etc.

1) the murder victim presumably has family members or friends

No. No relatives, No friends - now what? Lol, that almost felt to easy.

They select a number of judges offering their arbitration services on the market (presumably known for fair rulings in the past, otherwise either the defendant or the plaintiff would prefer another judge) If they make the effort of offering a number of judges and the suspected murderer refuses all of them without suggesting his judges, there will be widespread understanding that he's not willing to defend himself and the case can be ruled in absentia

So what is your plan if they offer a number of judges which are known for unfair rulings and corruptions?

If it does, case closed - murderer is put to jail or killed

Who pays for jail? Or are your jails slave labor camps which finance themselves? I can't really see how a system like that could be abused....

How do you prevent someone from just shortcutting the judge all together and contracting a "private defense agency" directly in order to kill or imprison someone?

How do you prevent the most powerful "private defense agency" from taking over?

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gienon - Reply to #526

OK, I'm not here to win an argument but to advance our knowledge on the subject, so as regards your last three paragraphs about private law I refer you to the podcast or book I've suggested. There's no point in me reinventing the wheel with an essay and you can study up on it from better sources. If it's about the argument, I concede due to limited time resources (;>)

The question of whether resources are scarce has nothing to do with the degree of competition in road building. Yes, if there were more resources available, competition would be more likely but those hypothetical resources would still have an alternative use (instead of building a second road next to it or a tunnel from your house you could put a retail store or an underground train, respectively), so they are most definitely scarce. What you're implying is that it would be uneconomical to allocate them to building a tunnel circumventing the "road monopoly", and there's legitimate argument about this, but it is beside the point of resource scarcity.

The popular catchphrase among market-orientated economists is "there is no such thing as a free lunch", implying that every use of a resource has its cost - that cost being the possible alternative use that you're giving up. If you didn't have to give up anything, that resource would indeed be abundant since you could satisfy all needs with it.

In fact, your hypothetical of there being only one way to leave the house is the best proof for resource scarcity - you could conceivably build a helipad on the roof and leave this way, but there are other competing uses for the factors of producing this helipad and you may not be willing to bear the cost of outbidding these factors from other uses. If resources were indeed not scarce, their price would be 0 and you would easily build the helipad.

OK, now I'll relax the assumption that I've implicitly conceded to you - the plausibility of a scenario of being a captive in your own house or factory unless one's willing to pay ridiculous high prices to use a neighbouring road. In order for that to persist, you'd have to have an individual road owner and not a publicly traded company (more on this later) who is willing to bear massive costs with the only benefit of having a degrading company or an unproductive resident as its quasi-slave.

The costs are:
1) the initial outlay for the road (he would have to outcompete the company which would want to ensure itself "a window to the world" worth all the company's prospective revenues, so the road price would go up to quite a sum even before he charges his first toll
2) the lost revenue if the company goes belly up or hires a helicopter to evacuate all the valuables once it becomes more profitable to relocate

There could also be a clause in the contract that the owner would have to commit to in order to attract someone to build anything along his road of guaranteeing access to the property for a predetermined price. If he doesn't, he's got a road, the maintenance of which costs and noone willing to pay for it - losses losses losses.

If the road owning company were a publicly traded company, the suffering of gigantic losses resulting from wanting to gain a few captive customers by the management would drive the stock price so low that it would be susceptible to a hostile takeover and a sacking of said management. No sane manager would follow this path.

"Yes it is. "Non-aggression principle" - It is the corner stone of almost all market liberal theories. Aggression can also be of economical nature: establishment of syndicates, abuse of market position etc."

The NAP is an ethical proposition and economics has a lot to say about scenarios in which it is adhered to, systematically violated or anything in between. It doesn't mean economics necessarily assumes NAP to be respected.

Establishment of syndicates (by which I think you mean cartels) and the internal and external incentives that lead to its immediate break-up on a free market have been long known and you're taking for granted something that has been debunked for decades. Market position is actually something that increases profits and companies look after it. An abuse runs the risk of losing it which results in a short-term gain and a subsequent loss. It doesn't sound like profit-orientated entities would engage in that. I want to stress that we're talking about a pure free market, so I don't need to touch on the point of companies using state coercive powers to maintain their market position in the event of producing an inferior product that would be competed with on a free market.

"No. No relatives, No friends - now what? Lol, that almost felt to easy."

Well, I'm afraid you're celebrating prematurely. The victim had its private defence agency that enticed the victim's business in the first place with a guarantee that justice for any harm done to it would be sought after in the court system. Moreover, the murderer's company would suffer a great loss in the future if it were known on the market to patronize murderers, so it would have a monetary incentive to bring its customer to a trial. On top of that, if it didn't do that, all the other defence companies would also refuse to seek justice in dealings with this one company, so in effect it couldn't offer its customers of having their conflict resolved - more losses.

"So what is your plan if they offer a number of judges which are known for unfair rulings and corruptions?"

And why would they even go through the trouble? It's obvious the other company will not accept the ruling and resist the enforcement of it, so why not skip the middle man and go all guns blazing right off the bat?
Why would a judge decide to be unfair if it means it's the last ruling he'll be asked to make? It's only the case in the current system that judges can be disgustingly corrupt - after all they suffer no monetary loss if they make wrong rulings (their salary is paid by the state) and if their misconduct is in fact discovered, their case will be judged by a member of the same organization, not a competitor, who is biased in the direction of exonerating them.

I suggest you really read up on this if you're genuinely interested, because your objections have already been addressed in great detail by people more steeped in the subject than me.

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inTheory - Reply to #529

As your posts keep getting longer and longer with more verbose replies - I will go for a few key bits to retort and end up with a conclusion.

The question of whether resources are scarce has nothing to do with the degree of competition in road building.

Yes. It does 100%. Some resources (e.g. space to build roads) are so scarce that real competition is not possible.

building a tunnel[...]helipad

The air above my roads is my property and the ground beneath it is my property as well. You do not have my permission to violate my property with your helicopter or to permanently violate it by building a tunnel. Go invent a teleporter or something...

The costs are: 1) the initial outlay for the road [...]

a) I play fair until the initial costs are written off and i have a huge number of customers, than i crank up the prices.

b) even better - I buy the roads from previous owners. I do not have any contractual obligations to you and all the other people who rely on those roads. You can try to sue the previous road-owner but that will not help you.

2) the lost revenue [...]

No helicopters above my grounds - the air is my property - don't violate my property. Lost revenue? No - I'll offer you employment in my company, but you will work a lot and will get no money. If you don't agree, good for you, starve to death, but you are not gonna use my road unless you sign.

the murder victim is a self-supporter with no relatives or friends in the area and he did not have enough money to buy private defense.

Edited by inTheory at 06:01 CST, 20 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #529

Part2:

Moreover, the murderer's company would suffer a great loss in the future if it were known on the market to patronize murderers

This is a) absurd and b) relies on the notion that the murderer is employed somewhere. Maybe he is the owner of a company or maybe he earns his living by murdering people and taking their stuff. ...

And why would they even go through the trouble?[...]

Who says it is two companies (of approximately equal strength)?
Maybe it is company vs individual or big vs small?

What good is a judgment service if the other party does not have to accept it in the first place? Not everyone is interested in mutual settlement of conflicts. E.g. I build a factory next to your house and pollute your air to toxic levels. I am way richer than you (i.e. you can't physically harm me and you will lose any publicity/marketing "battles"), I don't want any settlement, go f*** yourself.

Why would a judge decide to be unfair if it means it's the last ruling he'll be asked to make?

Simple. Because a judge who is known to be corrupt will be chosen by people who have money and need favorable judgments.

Conclusion:
Your ideas and theories work nicely in highly idealized abstract societies where people always make rational economical and long-term-focused decisions. Almost anything you say seems to implicate that most people will adhere to fair play because it is more profitable (i.e. nicer living conditions) in the long run. Unfortunately this is not how human nature works.

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gienon - Reply to #531

I guess I was too demanding when I proposed you familiarize yourself even with introductory materials. It's funny and at the same time discouraging to witness someone set out to debunk what after all is a pretty elaborate ideology formed upon arguments flowing from a developed science in a few unrelated one-liners, whereas in fact what's been shown is that you're utterly unfamiliar with what you're trying to refute and are only regurgitating most common objections that have been addressed time after time.

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inTheory - Reply to #533

Not too demanding, you were just bad in argumentation style. "Here read this book about my believe system otherwise your criticism is not relevant".

ideology

Thank you. At this point we have agreed on something: it is an ideology, i.e. a believe system that may not logical to the vast majority of non-believers. I can show the faults and deficits of Christianity, Islam and Communism with a few lines, without having read the bible, the quran or "Das Kapital". While criticism on any of these ideologies (including yours) will be valid to non-believers, the zealot will reliably seek refuge in "But-but-but my book says otherwise and it is the only truth. Go read my book."

in fact what's been shown is that you're utterly unfamiliar with what you're trying to refute

You confuse unfamiliarity with disagreement.

Would you please be so kind as to point out any documented example in the history of mankind where a free market has led to a free society?

Edited by inTheory at 08:45 CST, 20 February 2015

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noacc - Reply to #534

what do you do for a living?

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inTheory - Reply to #535

engineer and programmer. you?

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noacc - Reply to #536

engineer in the field of electronics, helping father to run small enterprise
no wonder your mind-set is familiar for me :)

Edited by noacc at 11:27 CST, 20 February 2015

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Anonymous (89.73.186.69) - Reply to #536

gj owning that brainwashed 'scientist' ;) math /= economics. stream of flowery words /= solid REAL polints. gienon is all about theory, he seems not to study actual world that he inhabits, just some constructs that he was fed on during his classes. Well, more like a cult really, cult that will disband proponents of difrent notions. even those with phds and nobel prizes in economics. most peculiar thing is they treat early XXth century theories of some austrian schmucks or likes of chicago boys (who btw have blood on their hands while experimenting with their theories) like a word of god. It's an outdated church of economics, blind to the reality of greed and threats of world that is profit-oriented. I guess most insulting was his "im here to advance knowledge (...) There's no point in me reinventing the wheel with an essay and you can study up on it from better sources.". All hail gienon, next overlord of planet earth. let him and JKM drive this world to some funky crises that will end up in golden era (for some) or next revolution being result of neoslavery that is bundled with their ideas.

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pacmanpl - Reply to #572

Hi Kukiz?

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gienon - Reply to #534

It's as if I started speaking whatever springs to my mind to you about programming or engineering and didn't recognize your refuting my faulty arguments. I bet you'd say "go read a physics textbook" and wouldn't give me a free lecture series on things that are already explained all over the web. Because yes, you may earn a paycheck and follow the news, but until you get acquainted with what economics teaches you're about as suited to discussing economic outcomes of various political systems as I am to discussing black holes or integrated circuits.

Of course libertarianism is an ideology. It doesn't mean the economic arguments in its defense are ideological. The reason Marx's exploitation theory is wrong isn't because it is used to promote real socialism. It's wrong because labour theory of value, on which it's based, is wrong. Sigh, this is way more over your head than I originally thought. Still, it does not stop you from playing the "internet scientist vs zealot" card. Sad.

"Would you please be so kind as to point out any documented example in the history of mankind where a free market has led to a free society?"

Let's assume the year is 1776. Would you please be so kind as to point out any documented example in the history of mankind where a negro thrived without the benevolent assistance of his master? Is that an argument for not abolishing slavery?

Don't despair, though. I'll still respond to your less-than-satisfactory argument about providing an example. Read up on medieval Iceland and its legal system. Unless you want to dismiss it out of hand, too. Then I'm of no help.

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inTheory - Reply to #538

It's as if I started speaking whatever springs to my mind to you about programming or engineering and didn't recognize your refuting my faulty arguments.

1) Just because you may or may not have some degree of economical education doesn't mean your opinion is automatically true.

2) The validity of engineering theories is readily and repeatably observable and will usually yield results which are not up for discussion. Engineering sciences are usually no matter of ideology.

Let's assume the year is 1776. Would you please be so kind as to point out any documented example in the history of mankind where a negro thrived without the benevolent assistance of his master

Easy enough. He was off way better before he was captured in Africa as a slave.

I read about the Icelandic system:

A second objection is that the rich (or powerful) could commit crimes with impunity, since nobody would be able to enforce judgment against them. Where power is sufficiently concentrated this might be true; this was one of the problems which led to the eventual breakdown of the Icelandic legal system in the thirteenth century.

Hmm - that doesn't sound too good, does it?

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gienon - Reply to #539

Where have I appealed to my degree? I said "until you get acquainted with what economics teaches", which certainly doesn't require a degree. What it does require is opening up a book, reading it and thinking it through.

It speaks volumes about how much ground you have to make up on the subject if you equate economic theory with someone's opinion. Economics uses a similar method as math in coming up with its propositions - deductive logic. The quest of the mainstream of economics to ape physics and its use of empiricism, which undoubtedly proved successful in natural sciences, is why economists who practice this method keep arguing about what really happened in the Great Depression or the Great Recession and are regarded so low by the general public. Until we come up with a way to have proper controlled experiments in economics, it will be more like math than physics. Still, it doesn't make it unscientific, ideological, someone's opinion, or whatever other disdainful term you choose.

As to slavery, it existed well before the era of Atlantic slave trade. Europeans weren't just coming ashore and rounding up able-bodied men to their ships. They traded valuables for local slaves.

About Iceland - you conveniently skipped the part where the legal system did allow for the development of a lawful society for two hundred years and collapsed partly due to external pressures. Wasn't you point at the beginning of this discussion that "some things (...) cannot be done privately for obvious reasons"?

Edited by gienon at 18:26 CST, 20 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #540

Where [...] choose.

Stop with the "ad hominem" arguments - it is getting ridiculous. If your best argument is "you don't know anything about economics trolololo" you might as well be quiet.

Economics is a social science, so what? It's not like I'm disputing economy as a science, it's not like I'm disputing any commonly accepted economics laws. BUT I am disputing your idea of if/how a certain societal model would work. And I believe it shouldn't be too hard to find scholars who would share my doubt about the plausibility of your claim.

As to slavery: It existed before, but that doesn't mean all slaves were bought. So not relevant in the slightest. Your 1776 slavery analogy is just not working.

You conveniently skipped the part where the system doesn't work, because rich/powerful people get away with crimes. Your claim of "free market -> free society" (as per Rothbard) is still rather unproven.

Edited by inTheory at 19:23 CST, 20 February 2015

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gienon - Reply to #541

Pointing out that your conflating positive and normative statements (the NAP case) or attributing positions to certain class of economists that are patently absurd and not held by them (unlimited resources) is not an ad hominem. Implying someone is a zealot on the other hand...

You say you're not disputing any commonly accepted economic laws but from what we've seen you disregard a few key ones, like the discipline of constant dealings for example. Has it never happened to you that you go to a shop for a product and the seller actually suggests that a cheaper one might be better in your particular case? A total stranger, focused on the short term (we're not in an idealized abstract libertarian world, are we?) and yet for some reason he voluntarily diminishes his short term revenue. Well, he must be a saint or a libertarian. Or maybe the clout of being a good salesman serves him well and he's motivated by self-interest. But no, your hypothetical road owner starves people to death and bankrupts companies to save a buck today. To hell with other prospective customers and their money.

There's also a nifty "market invention" called restrictive covenant that cuts at the root of such practices as you've sketched out in front of us. I guess the collective wisdom of people dealing with one another can anticipate problems raised so gallantly in internet debates after all...

And one more example that I've remembered for you to think about - http://fee.org/freeman/detail/james-j-hill-tr...-northwest

What I meant with respect to slavery is that it existed and a large fraction of mankind had no property in their body. Once an intellectual wave arrived, slavery as a widely recognized institution was done away with. Do you not think there were people saying "well this has never been tried before, therefore let's not do it"? Was it a good argument?

I wonder if the shoe were on the other foot and for instance religion were swiftly dying out around the world, would you be making an argument along the lines of "holy cow we've never had 7 billion atheists on this planet so it cannot possibly work".

About Iceland, again, let me repeat - a system that assures peace and no systematic conflict in society (comparable to other political systems of that era) for 2 hundred years is a massive blow to a claim that "some things (...) cannot be done privately for obvious reasons". Or did you expect sunshine and lollipops from a small territory regularly raided by neighbouring state(s) with their tax-extracted resources more or less a thousand years ago, before technology reduced the economies of scale in armed conflict?

And does the phenomenon of rich and powerful getting away with crimes somehow disappear or diminish when law is provided by a state monopoly? Aren't we reading such headlines almost on a daily basis? Are judges impervious to bribes in our current arrangement? And what recourse do you get when you feel you've been wronged by a court? Oh yes, you can appeal to the same institution but the procedure is so costly and time-consuming, for minor fines it's often better to just bite the bullet. Some system those government courts...

Edited by gienon at 20:54 CST, 20 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #542

Pointing out that you show textbook symptoms of "zealotism" is not adhominem. Half of your posts though deal with me or your opinion about my knowledge and not with the points I made.

but from what we've seen you disregard a few key ones, like the discipline of constant dealings for example[...]focused on the short term

First of all this is a straw man since I never claimed that everyone is focused on the short term all the time. Apart from that I somewhat doubt that the discipline of constant dealings is a commonly accepted economics law. Quick search with google only returns sides which are libertarian but mostly non-scientific and google scholar comes up empty... Hmmm - maybe it is not a commonly accepted economic law, but more of a libertarian idea?

Are you confusing "easement/right of use" with "restrictive covenant"?

And one more example[...]

And this tells us what exactly? That it is possible to build a railroad without government? Gee thanks, I didn't know that.

About Iceland, again, let me repeat [...]

About Iceland, again, let me repeat - the system only worked as long as power was somewhat evenly distributed. Pressure from the outside might have accelerated things, but the point still stands: the system doesn't work if there is a high variance in wealth/power, which will happen sooner or later.

And does the phenomenon of rich and powerful ...

Yet another straw man. I never claimed that the current system was perfect. The current system favors the wealthy and the powerful (any system does) - but that is not a reason to adopt a system which favors the wealthy and powerful even more.

Edited by inTheory at 02:05 CST, 21 February 2015

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #508

just in case you think you're having a discussion, you're wasting your time. no one is actually listening, when what you say goes against their core worldview, and that's not going to change, it will just create more explanations and denials as needed. if you do enjoy just stirring the shit, carry on :)

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wormed - Reply to #515

True. I took a long break from this thread but somehow it's sucked me back in. I agree with you, however. There comes a point when I should just chalk it up as futile and move on.

...which I think I will.

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inTheory - Reply to #506

2) Crimea has only been apart of Ukraine for 60 years, compared to being within the Soviet Union FOR A FUCKTON LONGER.

Please elaborate. The Soviet Union existed for approximately 70 years, so how could Crimea be part of Soviet Union "FOR A FUCKTON LONGER than 60 years"?

Turns out you have no fucking clue what you are talking about, yet you go around and talk about "god damn ignorant super dumb shit".

gg. no re.

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wormed - Reply to #511

Sigh, sorry, then. I meant that Crimea in itself has been apart of the Soviet Union, and Russia, for far longer than it was ever apart of Ukraine as an individual country.

The history of Crimea is Russian.

Edited by wormed at 09:49 CST, 19 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #516

the history of Europe is Roman. Yet we don't see Italy staging uprisings and invasions from England to Armenia and Egypt.

The USSR lost the Cold War. They lost territory and influence. Russia is not even a major player anymore. They are more of an annoying bully than anything else.

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terrorhead - Reply to #521

Yeah just a "bully". They can erase the North American continent from this planet in seconds if they wanted. Just a "bully" lol

Western leaders can't stop talking about Putin and the Russians for 1 day. Its obvious they're scared as fuck.

"Mr Fallon said the increase in Russian defence spending was "clearly worrying" "

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31530840

EDIT: Its also nice to see Brits get a taste of their own medicine.

Edited by terrorhead at 15:05 CST, 19 February 2015

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inTheory - Reply to #522

They can erase the North American continent from this planet in seconds if they wanted.

Neither you nor me know whether this is true or not, since we do know nothing about the state of US missile defense technology. So basically Russia can try, has no guarantee of success but would definitely be evaporated in the retaliation. Pakistan, North Korea, Israel and France can do the same thing basically. That doesn't make them major players though.

Anyone with matches can try to set the school on fire. In the end a bully is still just a bully.

Sooner or later Russia will run out of money to spend. Thats how they lost the cold war. Nationalist pipe dreams are nice but they do not last...

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terrorhead - Reply to #527

USA is the biggest bully in the world, I think we can all agree on that right? To me it looks like Russia is just trying to protect their people in Ukraine.

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inTheory - Reply to #528

USA is the biggest bully in the world

Yes. USA is way more powerful than China, India and Russia - so they are the biggest bully. But they are all equally bad in terms of bad character.

To me it looks like Russia is just trying to protect their people in Ukraine.

Who are "their" people? Are "their" people Russian citizens?
Protect them from what or from whom?

To me it looks like Russia is staging invasions in Eastern Europe in order to distract from internal problems and to fulfill nationalistic power fantasies.

Edited by inTheory at 06:42 CST, 20 February 2015

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Aquashark - Reply to #516

"The history of Crimea is Russian."

yeah, if you ignore the ethnic cleansing of Tatars and their legacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate

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Gobotz

Conspiracy theorists are saying the war is over the pyramids found in Crimea just prior to the war breaking out.
Alien technology.

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noacc - Reply to #473

pyramids... wait wha

Edited by noacc at 14:22 CST, 16 February 2015

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Gobotz - Reply to #475

http://planet.infowars.com/worldnews/russian-...sevastopol

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noacc - Reply to #476

no wonder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wojvHsqvR3M

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Gobotz - Reply to #477

it's all true lol

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Aquashark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso

flowchart of typical Russian shill reactions: https://i.imgur.com/ka4Gmd0.jpg

Edited by Aquashark at 14:28 CDT, 17 June 2015

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terrorhead - Reply to #546

lol VICE

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Aquashark - Reply to #547

it doesn't matter who made the report.

they searched that guy home, he wasn't there.. instead he had tons of photos in facebook from Ukraine and is under contract with the Russian army.

gg no re

PS: this is exactly why i put the second link to that comic.

Edited by Aquashark at 14:28 CDT, 17 June 2015

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #549

There are English speaking mercenaries in Ukraine too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDlX5SSAO0M

Do you not remember how the Ukraine crisis began - It was the pro-west riots that ousted Viktor Yanukovych, and they installed a puppet dictator. Some thing America has a long history of doing.

Then the real trouble started. When you have political leaders teaming up with fascists you're going to have a problem (Svoboda)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw

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Aquashark - Reply to #550

we're moving down the flowchart, that comic is incredibly accurate haha

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #551

WTF? You think I'm Russian? My account is 10 years old buddy. I'm British (notice the flag) I really don't get your point.

You countered none of my points. Did you even watch the stormcloudsgathering clip?

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fau - Reply to #551

We already did, there is "Crimea" on the flag in last strip.

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fau - Reply to #550

Oh, bad America. And who do you think Yanukovych was?

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #552

Bad America yes, remember the CIA torture camps in Poland?

Yanukovych was voted in, that's what happens in a democracy. The shit didn't hit the fan until he was ousted, and MH17 was shot down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26248275

CTRL+F '9 September' - 'Dutch experts find that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 broke up in mid-air after being hit by "objects" that "pierced the plane at high velocity" in July.'

Notice the word 'objects' the plane was not shot down with a BUK.

Google MH17 bullet holes.

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terrorhead - Reply to #554

Most people from small eastern euro countries, like Aqua and fau (Romania and Poland) are extremely Russophobic because they've been fucked hard by the Soviet Union in the past, so this whole "discussion" with them is pointless. Its like a religious debate or Israel/Palestine debate. I understand why they're biased tho.

Edited by terrorhead at 19:34 CDT, 17 June 2015

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fau - Reply to #554

I'm aware of US wrongdoings and imperialism. Just please, don't let them cloud Soviet Union's and Russia's sins because they are much worse. Especially against their own citizens.

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #556

I disagree, and I could go into great detail as to why, but I fear it would be lost on you - we'll just leave it at that.

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fau - Reply to #557

Ok. Just remember that there are many people with such opinion and you may want to find out why on your own, from sources you find unbiased.
I bet you know USA recent history very well, can you say the same about Russia?

Edited by fau at 09:52 CDT, 19 June 2015

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #558

Yes I know all about Russia - Holodomor etc.
I would urge you to look up the fake chimney at Auschwitz but that's illegal in your country. The Russians build that and are complicit in the atrocity propaganda surrounding the Holocaust.

I also know about the genocide of the native Americans, Slavery, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam etc etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_in...ted_States
The list is too long to mention.

Crimes against their own people? What like repeatedly torturing and sexually assaulting people for years whilst threatening to kill their families. Sounds worse than a 30 minute death in the 'gas chambers' to me.

Look Poland is paying for it

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/15/...on-torture

How the fuck can you cunts hold your heads up, and point the finger at Russia?

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fau - Reply to #561

I don't think this post needs any comments :-)

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pacmanpl - Reply to #561

wat

edit. Hi demon!

Edited by pacmanpl at 11:37 CDT, 19 June 2015

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Aquashark - Reply to #561

How the fuck can you cunts hold your heads up, and point the finger at Russia?

USA government did terrible things, but how is that absolving Russia of their own crimes? why would Russia have a moral edge over USA?

ignoring all this whataboutism drivel, the bottom line is: there is a war in Europe. a sovereign nation is being invaded by Russia, which also resulted in a commercial flight disaster. no matter how you spin in, this is how it is.

why is there war? Russia is too incompetent and backward to secure their allies in a civilized manner. even when they have a huge strategic economic advantage over Europe (controlling the gas market), they can't stop their self-perceived sphere of influence from slipping away towards EU & NATO.

because of this incompetence, they resort to brute force and people have to die.

Edited by Aquashark at 02:20 CDT, 21 June 2015

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #564

It's obvious you have too much emotional attachment to discuss this rationally. America is dangerously out of control. You turn a blind eye to Iraq and Afghanistan, pointing at Russia and whining like a bitch. Rupert Murdoch would be proud.

Yes there is a war, it's a civil war - Russia hasn't invaded, if they had Ukraine would have fallen in less than 2 days, WW3 would then start. All the while the USA and EU have been provoking Russia with all the troop deployment right on their doorstep.

Even Poroshenko is saying that the ousting was illegal http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/27583/53/
But ignore the facts, listen to the propaganda.

You accused me of being Russian remember. For what it's worth, I don't think Russia are being incompetent - On the contrary they've been doing a great job. How many people from Ukraine have fled into Russia??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29029060

BBC says 'Another 814,000 people have crossed the border into Russia this year'. This Year... - BBC - so surely an underestimate!

Russia stopped USA attacking Assad in Syria.... That would surely have started WW3 because Syria has mutual defence treaties with Iran (who is backed by Russia and China), and that's one their long term objectives - to attack Iran.

The psychopaths in charge (International banking jews) want WW3.

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son1dow - Reply to #565

Yes there is a war, it's a civil war - Russia hasn't invaded

All the while the USA and EU have been provoking Russia with all the troop deployment right on their doorstep.

Russian's haven't invaded. EU & USA however are provoking poor Russia, which stays ice cold and doesn't invade.

what a shill you are.

Edited by son1dow at 06:00 CDT, 21 June 2015

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #566

Illegal coup [x]
American and European provocation [x]
Ukrainian citizens fleeing into Russia [x]
English speaking mercenaries in Ukraine [x]
Ukrainian Government bombing its own citizens[x]

Russian invasion [ ]

I take it you don't know what an invasion is... Crimea river. Just because someone has a different viewpoint you think they're a shill. So backwards, but that's to be expected.

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son1dow - Reply to #567

The government was doing illegal stuff as well, no wonder people gathered up for a coup.

An invasion is a military offensive in which large parts of combatants of one geopolitical entity aggressively enter territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory, forcing the partition of a country, altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government, or a combination thereof.

I do suppose one of us doesn't know what an invasion is. No Russians entering Ukraine, paid by Russia at all. No way Russia would do that.

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bLuDcLoT - Reply to #568

All governments do illegal stuff, trust me I know I'm British, yet you think I'm a shill.

Look how many times Russia 'invaded' Ukraine

http://redpilltimes.com/many-times-russia-inv...-lets-add/ (Yeah I know shit source, but the links are all main stream media)

Ukraine is a geopolitical proxy war beyond your comprehension (that means you are too fucking stupid to understand it).

KIEV, Ukraine, April 29. U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt said Tuesday that the U.S. would respond immediately if Russia were to invade Ukraine. (April 29, 2014)

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/0...&or=tn

Joe Biden Corrects Himself After Saying Russia 'Invaded' Ukraine
(NOV. 3, 2014)

http://uk.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-corre...14-11?r=US

Why the West is to blame for the crisis in Ukraine.

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/why-the-west-is-to...full-story

Fresh evidence of how the West lured Ukraine into its orbit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vla...orbit.html

http://www.thicktoast.com/why-russia-hasnt-invaded-ukraine/

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russi...st-s-fault

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/09/10/ukraine-c...k-therapy/

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/29/we...g-roberts/

Oh look they're all shills because they don't believe the western controlled media (propaganda) you read. Lithuania is going to arm them (LOL)

http://uatoday.tv/politics/lithuania-to-becom...42955.html

If you want to believe all the bullshit, carry on. I'm out of this discussion.

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son1dow - Reply to #569

US and European countries don't war with Russia themselves, peace in Europe is paying dividends for them. For them to call it an invasion, as your own article suggests, would mean serious consequences.

To cite politicians, as opposed to foreign policy expects is a sign of trying to mock up a point.

Either way, look at what this topic was. Never once you did say "Yes, there are Russian troops and Russians paid by the Russian government in Ukraine." You went around that, made all of the points Aquashark predicted with his mocking picture. Blamed the west for Russia's actions. Denied the actions as Putin does, ridiculously. Pointed to irrelevant actions of the west. Blamed the entirety of western media, ignoring that proof of Russians paid by Russia in Ukraine is so blantant.

Sure thing m8, TALKS of Westerners giving weapons to Ukraine is worse than Russia actively paying their own people to participate in a "civil war" with Russian weapons.

If you managed to not do all of those things, and instead somehow put up counterarguments to the relevant points, we might talk. Instead, you just do the standard Russian shill stuff. Disappointing.

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fau - Reply to #570

I stopped at holocaust denial and mistaking soviet russia for nazi germany. Pointless.

Edited by fau at 13:09 CDT, 21 June 2015

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skint - Reply to #546

Felt a bit sorry for the poor Russian guy. Was interesting none the less.

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SANCHEZ save our planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIUFBJ_kPM8

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* N U K E D *

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Aquashark - Reply to #574

don't worry, Putinbots will rationalize anything to fit their criminal agenda.

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z3ct4d

Published new video from MH17 crash filmed by accidental driver:

[En, De subs, strongly 18+, uncensored dead bodies)

Satanic cremlin regime should response for this, retribute for war in Georgia and Ukraine, retribute for genocide in Chechnia, retribute for financing terrorists in ISIS and others!

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<< Comment #577 @ 15:22 CDT, 1 August 2015 >>

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slm

why u cry here and not in "ATO"-zone fighting with satanic cremlin regime for freedom and europe??????????

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<< Comment #578 @ 06:20 CDT, 3 August 2015 >>

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DizzyMage

Putin wants the ex soviet territories back.

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z3ct4d

Few days on war by Nolan Peterson in june 2015:

slm
- Reffered to me? Why did You think that I'm not? Why did You think that nobody has to catching katsapian terrorists in rear? Oh, i forgot that katsaps hasn't their opinion, only outrageous lie from TV, there is nothing to ask for.

Two days ago, cremlin propaganda said that our premier-minister, Arseniy Yatsenuk, (typical nerd) was a mercenary in Chechnya in 199x, and fought for freedom of Ichkeriya (authentic name of Chechnya land). In these years Putin was only a suitcase carrier of ex-mayor of Sankt-Peterburg. LOL
All these myths (Like fairy tale that "Europe is full of homosexualism and has to clone people cos nobody born children by natural way", or "the hunger people of Ukraine had eaten all the trees around the cities", etc) are created only for dumb katsaps heads, which believe in TV like a God. In Civilized World people only laughing this bullshit.

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z3ct4d

War fragments footage around strategic point - Donetsk airport (riunes).

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aiken

Recently I've read interview with Russian voluntary soldier who fought on the separatists side. He's claiming that war is over and all of them (volunteers and mercenaries) are leaving the area and go to fight in Syria within Kurds troops against ISIS.

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z3ct4d - Reply to #581

Yes, we have a new truce (but, who trust to katsaps? They had ruined the truce hundreds times only in this war), have a little lower casualities. But katsaps trying to provoke Ukrainian Defense Forces to answer, shooting them, and russian correspondents trying to make a "nice vid about ukrainian nazies", etc. We have to take aside our heavy weapons, according to truce conditions. Enemy do something like that, and OSCE at least do some activity, and there is good sigh to us, earlier they "didn't see" hundred's of tanks in the Donetsk and Lugansk - two biggest occupied cities.

Cremlin failed in Ukraine this time, could not make hidden (hybrid) war, got a lot of casualities, sanctions and failed reputation. But there is nothing good for Ukraine, Crimea, and part of eastern region is still occupied, and russia built new military bases near UA borders, keeps a lot of military staff there, etc , which still possible to make new stage of war. Of course on ru-TV they say that Russia won, despite of failed attempts to conquest all Ukraine in two weeks, like katsaps had boasted earlier. (LOL)

Failed in Ukraine dickhead tsar forced military campaighn in Cyria, trying to take credits from US, which traditionally dislike islamic world. A few weeks earlier, katsaps attempted to get islamics world graces: they built the biggest mosque in Eastern Europe, putin had read Koran in it, and mullah said that "Russia - is the descendant of the Golden Horde". (Lol, at least little piece of truth in russia! They always used the same emblem, imperial ideology, and slavery system.) And a few days after russians used noncorrectable bombs - like in WWII - against all in the cities of Syria. They do not care about targeting, do not care about ISIS, or rebels, or opposition, or others - they bombing all!

Today Netherlander experts published finally verdict about MH17 - russians did it, from occupied territories. Dirty katsaps still jiggling like a worms in a shit, and they could not fabricate nothing but editing the wikipedia, they corrected specifications, and wrote that these "Buk" missile systems are outmoded and written off in Ru army. What a shame, cremlin nazies!

This war is not over. Threat to Ukraine, EU and World will exist until occupied by katsaps territories called "russia" gone.
P.S. I'll talk much more later.

Edited by z3ct4d at 15:35 CDT, 13 October 2015

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slm - Reply to #582

have u ever talk with donbass or krimea ppl living there right now? Do those ppl even know that they are occupied ? :D i dont think so... too much ukro-nazi bullshit from you in this thread, plz delete it and start working hard to get some money, maybe then ur wife will comeback from poland brothel and stop drinkin vodka 24/7 as ur president poroschenko. Vodka is bad for brain neurons, u drink vodka - u see katsaps fireing MH17 on the ukraine territory (lol?), u make a good gift- Krimea to russia without any shots or ANY defence (lol?), ur economics faulty but ur goverment and presid makin 10x times more money than last year (lol?), u watching putin real war in Syria and u start to shake with fear and pointless rage. No euro-integration for u, no EU visa-free borders for u, no Krimea and donbass for u, no eu salaries for u, only cold gas-less nazi rage of fucked up and dumbed down poor mentally ill animal.

Edited by slm at 16:01 CDT, 13 October 2015

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z3ct4d - Reply to #583

Nobody needs in katsap's advices, and your pro-russian fake republic "Pridnestrovya" will be cleaned soon!

<< Comment #585 @ 16:56 CDT, 13 October 2015 >>

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z3ct4d

Reconstruction of MH17 catastrophe from final investigation:

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small animals always fear big ones. Same with countries - all small eu 10-tanks belgiums looking into russia on google map then look at firepower and insta-became rusophobic persons. But the big siberian bear doesnt care what pig-ua or romania-goat crying about, since he could beat'em in 5 sec. No firepower - shut the fuck up and suffer.

Edited by slm at 14:12 CDT, 14 October 2015

<< Comment #587 @ 20:59 CDT, 16 October 2015 >>

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A few dots on "i" about Ukraine by Timothy Snyder:

<< Comment #588 @ 19:44 CDT, 17 October 2015 >>

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Sometimes katsaps say that ukrainians do not listen their opinion, do not listen "Voice of Donbass People", (eastern region, with huge percent of ethnic russians, about one half of whom occupied by russians today). That's not true, we listen them very carefully:

investigator: what the reason of Your's joining to russian separatists?
prisoner: I wanted to get higher, taste better life,
investigator: You wanted to get higher on social stage?
prisoner: Yes.
investigator: Did You realize that in that case You should to kill Ukrainians soldiers?
prisoner: Yes.
investigator: What was Your's opinion about Ukrainian army, and whole Ukraine?
prisoner: not good
investigator: why?
prisoner: about of russian language
investigator: what exactly disturbed You in russian language?
prisoner: I can't speak ukrainian.
investigator: In what language we speak each other?
prisoner: in russian
investigator: do You find it strange?
prisoner: .... Yes, I do.
investigator: Why?
prisoner: ... BSOD, BSOD, BSOD, BSOD...

That's how cremlin's propaganda works for not high-intellect people. They believe in cremlins maniac's fantasy, like Hitler's portraits everywhere in Kyiv, pollaks, germans and americans troops of NATO near russians borders, naked black mercenaries from BlackWater on Abram's tanks near Donetsk, etc. Some of them become a idealistic volunteer, took their guns, came to donbass to "kill NATO invaders"... and found ukrainian army, which not bad speak russian too in front of them , and a lot of robbers, alcoholics, and drug possessed scum in a pro-russians separatists side. They came back to home dissapointed... But most of them are not volunteers, and most of them like to drink and rob.
And there is a not a time for joking when fooled by "russian world" lie people start shooting everybody they want.

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wormed - Reply to #588

Pretty sure you're the non-intelligent one. You sound like a moron, with your ignorant bigotry laced wording.

Think of it this way: I'd rather you be gone than Putin. You're probably some dumb fuck Golden Dawn pathetic waste of space. Shut the hell up, you fucking twat.

<< Comment #590 @ 14:45 CDT, 18 October 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #589

- O, another "distant-lover of holy mother" got butthurt and insulting. That's cute. ))) You are traitor of communism and imperial ideas, now You're slave of capitalists, you do not have a value to order to anybody, suck your's snickers and drink CocaCola!
And do not poop there, if you have nothing to say about the theme, you flooder!

<< Comment #591 @ 13:36 CST, 11 November 2015 >>

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The dirty katsaps preparing for the new provocations. We have information about a lot of troops and armor vehicles closing up to the conflict borders. 31-th december ends the truce, and dirty katsaps know that it will be the end for their failed project, and they only have to break the truce. We have inside that ruski butchers going to ruin some towns and kill a lot of inhabitants to claim Ukrainian army in it. They prepared the troops dressed in ukr-like uniform, prepared a lot of TV-operators to film a "bloody russian masquerade", will use Ukrainian symbolics, etc. And of course they will draw a lot of swastikas everywhere - their lovely style to claim somebody.
Prepare for a lot of butthurt from russians!

<< Comment #592 @ 04:58 CST, 2 December 2015 >>

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Is this a real thing ?

Chopper Cruising above the Highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq7J5f_zG4s

<< Comment #594 @ 06:26 CST, 2 December 2015 >>

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noacc - Reply to #592

looks very fakish to me

<< Comment #595 @ 15:14 CST, 2 December 2015 >>

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Rothaarig3 - Reply to #594

ahh @ 0:31 is no shadow on the grass :)

<< Comment #596 @ 19:04 CST, 2 December 2015 >>

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- I'd watched this flight vid this summer. Ye, author sight it's near Dnepropetrovsk city not far from front line.
His ultra-low-flight maneuver allows to avoid possible radar detection, and be "masked" as a huge truck.
Ye, it's real, and there is a shadow a few meters left.

Here is a vid from the cabin from another mi-8 transporter.
(mi-8 usually used as a transporter, but it's possible to attach pylons for arms, rocket and bombs (or additional cargo), like on first vid.)
it's some higher flight, pilot flies straight to the point, but in the middle of video height is critically low: (dec. 2014)

<< Comment #597 @ 22:42 CST, 2 December 2015 >>

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O, i must admit an another little step of War - next stage of occupied by russians Crimea: 21-th oct. unknown people blowed up an electricity lines, which gave energy to a whole peninsula.

The Blokade.
I must admit that Ukrainian government took passive position in Crimea problem, and many things made by activists and people which do not want to live in russia, which are became more and more.
In international law occupied territories must be supplied by the occupant side, and this another stage of blockade should be done in 2014, but not so long since war's beginning.
Crimean Peninsula is fully dependent from the continental Ukraine, that's why Crimea was joined to Ukraine in USSR, in exchange of Cuban and other's territories. (the dirty katsaps always whine that Crimea was a gift, but it didn't a gift)
In 2014 Ukraine turned off the Crimean water channel, (which transported fresh water from Dnipro river for most Crimean agriculture in central plain territories), 2 weeks ago stopped electricity and today activists going to cut off the internet for Crimeans. That's why kremlin's are going to be intense, but they cannot do nothing.

The Bridge.
Many years russians feediing pro-russian people (which are not all there) of Crimea with the tales about bridge to russian coast, which will allow to supply a whole peninsula. They even do some buildings, built a few hundreds meters of (temporary) bridge, but there is still no a sigh a bridge. There is about 600-700 meters in shortest points between coasts. Theoretically it's possible, but in stable grounds: they are unstable, very soft, and there is even a little volcanic activity in the sea ground - constructions piles are drowning deep in the grease there. There was build one bridge after WWII, but it was crushed after the first winter - there is also a ice foe there.
And with best russian traditions - steal as minimum a half a budget of buildings - it will never be ended.
In Kerch, between RF and Crimea there is a ferryboats cursing, which are do not work in storm.

A cable.
like in bridge tales russians promised to drag an power cable to a peninsula. With all best wishes - it can solve only energy problem of Kerch - east town near the ferry. All the power concentrators built on north of Crimea, and high-voltage cable should be drugged to there to power all, but - its possible only in russian TV.
There is a some their energy sources there: gas and powerstations, solar stations and windgenerators, bit its all not enough even for 1/10 of their internal needs. Some cities have electricity, but only a few hours in a day, and mostly powered only the most important objects: government buildings (not the hospitals!), and the big screens which demonstrate a pooteen's face and russian propaganda. (LOL)

A loyalty.
Not all people of Crimea are pro-russian, many of them have no choice to do - they think that nobody will take them as a refugee on continent, and solid part still believe in russian tales about "fully bombed and destructed Ukraine, nazies and swasticas everywhere, etc". There is will be a solid work in separating a citizens and deportation russia-lovers to "holy mother". And about a quarter of people there are Tatars, which are traditionally dislike russians - they didn't forget the russian crime to them - deportation most of Tatars (and other non-russian nations) to Tatarstan in spring 1944, in which died every 4-th Tatar. (Ye, ruzkie found a nice piece of land and tried to genocide all inhabitants there, and call it "their land"! And it was for all Crimean history.)
During the power blockade some Ukrainians there admit that switching off is do a good work, and that it should be done in spring 2014, immediately after the occupation. Solid part of "russian dream wishers" now realized their dependence from continental Ukraine, some decided that "in Ukraine they lived better" (especially with ultra-high stuff/provision/energy prices in the occupied Crimea), and doubted in "russian world".
Also activists going to evacuate pro-ukrainian people from the peninsula. Road communication is still not prohibited, except the supply logistics. It's not too late to go back to Ukraine!

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z3ct4d - Reply to #597

P.S.
Forgot a few:
Formally nobody know who exactly blowed up the energy pylons. It become a surprise for blockade activists which based nearby. Was a theory that it's a kremlin provocation in intensification of war to push on Ukraine, and "defend poor ruzkie" in Crimea. (F-kin idiots.)
Also solid a version that it did russian criminals, which are going to make mass robbery in peninsula dark nights. They are already robbered and stole all the museums in Crimea, including the priceless historic exhibits and artefacts. Some of them now demonstrating in the Moscow's Ermitage exhibition. ("russian saviors", haha)
Anyway, blocking the power to them is useful to Ukraine, and be a good lesson of life to "russian world" there.

Edited by z3ct4d at 23:05 CST, 2 December 2015

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Now the hardest video for today (mentally more heavy than decapitation of katsap by katsap in Syrian theme) - raping children brains in occupied schools:

[children and tons of catsapian bullshit! With subs]

Tnx for moron and faggot Grem Philips for a lot of "fun" videos about psychiatric life in "russian world"!
Here, children is nickname "Motorolla" (red bearded katsap with russian citizenship, terorist, and executor of dozens of Ukrainian prisoners, play a role of commander for russian cameras and newer had been in real front), here is "Zakharchenko" (rus citizen, play a role of general for russian TV, regularly visiting moscow for instructions, and running away from Donetsk, when fights get harder, covering most of business in occupied city etc.). etc. AHAHA!
Yes, cult of scum like these - it's always was in USSR.

PS, and the most brutal thing about katsaps everybody must know - is that than after 12-14 they'd became a russian terroristic farsh! Yes, like Islamics radicals do.

Edited by z3ct4d at 00:48 CST, 3 December 2015

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Pollaks want to defend themselves with nuclear bombs from russian threat:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/06/...to-program

Poland’s deputy defence minister has said the ministry is considering asking for access to nuclear weapons through a Nato program in which non-nuclear states borrow the arms from the US.
Tomasz Szatkowski said the ministry was discussing whether to ask for access to Nato’s “nuclear sharing” program to strengthen the country’s ability to defend itself.
Polish media said Szatkowski’s comments on Saturday to the private broadcaster Polsat marked the first time a Polish official has indicated the country wants to join the program.
Among Nato’s 28 members there are three nuclear powers – the US, France and Britain – but only the US has provided weapons to allies for nuclear sharing.
Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey have hosted nuclear weapons as part of the program.

A good questoin: are these nukes are functional? US pressed their bombs to EU countries in NATO, which had their own nuclear warfare, and all they can be defenseless if nukes doesn't work in critical situation. Did anybody tested them, except US?

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z3ct4d - Reply to #601

BUSTED!

http://mon.gov.pl/aktualnosci/artykul/najnows...zenie-mon/

<< Comment #603 @ 01:58 CST, 11 December 2015 >>

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The russian show: an interview of russian merc to OSCE.

The russians loves to work on camera, and demonstrate their full schizophrenia: "There is a lot of (pro)Ukrainian mercenaries form EU and US fighting against us, here is flag of USA, here is flag of EU which we found on a battlefront, and here is Ukrainian flag on a Poland boot." (flags - is "good evidence", instead of documents or faces, ye.)

[En translator]

Another one "evidence" joined to "naked afroamerican mercs on a Abrams tanks", "apachie helicopters and US rockets on a battlefront", "crucified boy by Ukrainian nazi avengers", "nuclear blast in Moldova causing earthquake on Donbass", and the "dressed shark of Right Sector, which damaged a submarine energy cable from Russia to Crimea".

Edited by z3ct4d at 10:44 CST, 11 December 2015

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Ye, katsap in previous video was right - there is no truce!
Today katsaps published a video, where they shooting Ukrainian positions despite of truce agreement, mocking, and even offering civil woman to shoot: (also they taking backfire)

[censored even russian slang rude words, but their disgusting dialect - is something]

Here is a truce with katsaps! And when ruzky will give a questions "what had we done?", "why everybody dislike us?", and "Russians and Ukrainians - one solid nation" - smash him in a face already!

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A few days ago Moldova appeals for evacuation the russian military contingent from Pridnestrovya. Today in Odessa (near of border with Pridnestrovya region) arrived a squad of "Hurricane"* missile rocket systems. All pro-russian adepts butthurting of it for all day.
It is possible a another one conflict in near future, but all metastases of "russian world" cancer must be deleted.

* "Uragan" (hurricane) complex is a most powerful cluster correctable rocket system in UA, available to fly up to 35 km, and able to destroy a whole town - 420 000 sq. meters. Higher step of weapon power - is only tactical nuclear weapons. Some states use these complexes as deterrent weapons. It was used in war on east of Ukraine from both sides.

<< Comment #606 @ 12:35 CST, 13 December 2015 >>

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Noismo

Nobody gives a fuck about you. Fuck nazi idiots.

<< Comment #607 @ 14:43 CST, 14 December 2015 >>

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Today ruzki military ships stole two Ukrainian sea drilling rigs - summary costs 600-800 millions $. During transportation to nearby russian waters they'd forced to change route of Turkish ship.
And when ruzki ask "why so big sum of reparations" - show them this too!

Noismo
Go fuck your mother, dirty katsap!

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Two days ago russia made a propagandists documental movie "The World Order", in which declared to cancel the Yalta conference agreements, (cute, reminding that Yalta town in Crimea now occupied by ruzki) and more.
Dirty katsap's poor attempts to play role a "super-state" could make a laugh, but it always cause death and troubles of millions of innocent people.

A few days ago german analysts made a documental movie about Putin's criminal band, and his capturing the power in russia, killing opponents, etc:

[DE language, Ru subs, probably possible translated to En by google]

Everybody must know that russia ruled by terrorists with a lot of nukes, and threating them to all!

Edited by z3ct4d at 10:42 CST, 21 December 2015

<< Comment #609 @ 06:40 CST, 22 December 2015 >>

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Stat1x

Looks like nobody cares, lol

<< Comment #610 @ 07:32 CST, 27 December 2015 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #609

- Serbia cares: today where arrested 80 dirty katsaps in government and business structures of Serbia, and it goes more.
Dekatsapization in process!

<< Comment #611 @ 23:19 CST, 10 January 2016 >>

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A few days ago russian propagandist shamed on AlJazeera:

[En lng, Ru subs]

Kremlins loves the russian staged TV, and absolutely not ready for unpleasant questions. She tried to quote fairytales about "russian troops not presented in Ukraine, etc" but people almost start laughing.

And one more thing: in 2014-15 dirty katsaps failed to conquest all Ukraine taking only 7% of it's territory. About month ago they begun a new method: pretend like nothing happened and attempt to be friends and fraternize to Ukrainians. Like they didn't occupy Ukrainian territories, killed up to 10 thousand Ukrainians and wrote millions death wishes in the WEB. They even make a website with thousands fake "friendlywishes" from both sides.

AAHAHAHAH! No, dirty katsaps! Blood are unforgiven! Drop your weapons on a ground and take hands on! Free Crimea! Free Donbass region from your scum! Pay retributions! Free Chechnia, Dagestan, Osetia, Pridnestrovie, Tatarstan, Chukchies, etc nations and territories occupied by ruzki "empire"! Die in misery and shame in Moskowia (historical name of "russia"), and probably We will take a friendship with your denazifikated grandchildren. If they will not be like you, and other hundred generations of moscowians.

P.S. And ye: truce ended but katsaps still shooting from their side and killing Ukrainians every day, like it wasn't a truce. Both sides wait for weakening of enemy, or something unexpected, like a huge catastrophe, to attack. Despite of weakening and demoralization of ruzki there is still thousands reservists and hundreds of tanks and armor wehicles, and a military bases near Rostov in russia, near from Ukrainian border. But we are not weak, like in spiring 2014.

<< Comment #612 @ 20:16 CST, 21 January 2016 >>

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A few questions to paratrooper which succeed in mocking of enemies well:

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#TheBookOfRussianCrimes

The book of most considerable russian crimes in Ukraine in 2014-2015 (short version, 9MB, Dropbox)

Booklet for PACE made by chairman of Ukrainian delegation in Parliament Assembly of Council of Europe. Contains enough material to understand why "ruzkies" and Ukrainians will never be a friends.
Kremlin support of dictator Yanukovich's regime, shooting a revolutionists, annexation of Crimea, russian troops on east, shelling the civilians, rockets in the towns, MH17 catastrophe, victims and tortures, kidnapped people, etc.

Edited by z3ct4d at 14:03 CST, 30 January 2016

<< Comment #614 @ 23:25 CST, 30 January 2016 >>

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crunkus

Has this gotten any better since it started back in early 2014?

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noacc - Reply to #614

nop, both western and estern parts of Ukraine are moving towards anarchy, civil war is ongoing, no money to pay for the social services, prices skyrocketed for everything, huge debts, crime rate is out of control, but their leaders are still fighting for the power and do not give any (#@*& about their citizens. Basically thats what happened to Russia in 90s except we did not have full scale civil war.

Edited by noacc at 06:16 CST, 12 February 2016

1%

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crunkus - Reply to #616

Is Russia now anywhere near the 90s now in terms of economy?

<< Comment #618 @ 02:28 CST, 26 February 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #614

Short report: (sept 2015)

[De + Ru subs]

Since that we have ended the truce with katsaps, and it's prolonging.
Yes, we have finance troubles, but not total anarchy like ruzkies say. (o ye, living in russia they "know" better how do we live, ye)
They have it on occupied territories, where the dirty katsaps - there is always a crimes. Our problem consists in finding the rest of katsaps and traitors in our society and state, not only keeping the frontline. Ukrainians will always have a food provision, grown on our territories, like russia will have oil and gas being isolated. But Ukrainians prefer to buy oil, gas and coal from other countries, but nor from kremlin's regime, and this winter was ok without the gas from terrorussia.
There is still their troops near UA borders, but we must keep going the world dekatsapization, and than they'll fall. They are not the USSR, but much weaker and dumber!

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Few days ago we have this:

There will be a huge work of demining. Sometimes we still finding mines and bombs since WWII, and there will be more.

And russian shellings getting stronger, dirty katsaps intense provocations on most front line.

Yesterday we had year since katsaps shelled Kramatorsk town with the cluster missile systems "Smerch", caused 17 civil death, and 47 wounded. Yes, now Ukraine has new anniversary sorrow days in conflict against "russian world". Some impressive photos of unexploded rockets sticked in a ground on the streets.

Edited by z3ct4d at 08:55 CST, 11 February 2016

<< Comment #619 @ 01:35 CST, 12 March 2016 >>

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A russian terrorist abused youtube for publishing his personal info and photos:

"Today, on March 4, 2016, the official YouTube channel of InformNapalm community received a letter with an ultimatum from the YouTube administration with a reference to the claim for the breach of confidentiality and a demand to edit or remove the video showing the employee of the Russian Federal Penitentiary Service involved in military operations in Donbas (Ukraine):"

[brave neandertal avenger on Ukrainian east, his posts in WEB, photos, video, etc. En, De, Ru, Cz subs.]

Later youtube administration take side of justice and left this vid back. Fuck off from Ukraine, ruzki scum!

<< Comment #620 @ 01:52 CDT, 18 March 2016 >>

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gojira_ - Reply to #619

Isn't there some conspiracy forum you can post this on?

<< Comment #621 @ 02:04 CDT, 18 March 2016 >>

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crunkus - Reply to #620

free speech

<< Comment #623 @ 07:37 CDT, 18 March 2016 >>

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gojira_ - Reply to #621

Until someone with power decides otherwise. I hate to quibble though. It feels better to say to ourselves that we are free to do what we want, which in many regards we certainly are.

<< Comment #625 @ 06:47 CDT, 19 March 2016 >>

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crunkus - Reply to #623

don;t stomp on his free speech.

<< Comment #622 @ 04:11 CDT, 18 March 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #620

You're still friendly to "russians"? Beware them!

<< Comment #624 @ 18:58 CDT, 18 March 2016 >>

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New site collecting proves of russian crimes: (English available. Strongly 18+)

https://russiakills.com/en

"Up until now, Russia has continued to use mercenaries and military personnel for provocations. Despite the Minsk agreement and declaration of a cease-fire and withdrawal of weapons, fighters systematically shelled the city, the APU position and engaged in kidnapping and torture. In addition, factories and enterprises which were built by Ukraine are trafficked in Russia. Russia deliberately trying to destroy the infrastructure of Donbass and make him a terrorist ulcer, which will prevent normal living across the whole country. The UN estimates that the death toll in the conflict in eastern Ukraine has exceeded 9000 people, including 2000 civilians, many of whom appear to have died as a result of indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks on the militants."

<< Comment #626 @ 10:15 CDT, 20 March 2016 >>

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Moskow "celebrate" 2 years of Crimea occupation (in 2015): payed scum take money for participation:

When organizer saw a camera - already runaways. )))

Edited by z3ct4d at 10:17 CDT, 20 March 2016

<< Comment #627 @ 12:35 CDT, 20 March 2016 >>

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WTFProoF?!

Alright let's pull this thread out of the shitter and give it back some high level discussion points.

<< Comment #628 @ 20:06 CDT, 22 March 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #627

- Dirty katsaps blow up people in EU, while You laughing:
Suspects Ivan Dovbush, and Marat Yunusov has Belarussian citizenship, and Yunusov is ex-russian from islamic Dagestan region. Funny, ye?

While FSB-KGB blasted buildings in russia in 2000 - you was laughing, ye? Claiming Islamics in it, ye. Until kgb-st was caught during setting hexogen explosives into a basement.

When kremlin send killers to execute Berezovskiy oligarchs, and rebel major Litvinenko claimed kremlin's regime in terrorism, You was laughing, ye? Today they both killed.

When Poland President (and all government) was killed in russia in 2010 - You was laughing, ye? Until Poland started new plane "crash" investigation, and ruzkie try to prevent it.

When dirty katsaps shot down MH17 - You was laughing? Until ruzkie voted no for international investigation in UN Security Council, and start producing silly fakes.

When chechen terrorists where killing people in France - you was laughing? Until they where captured.

Still funny? When You'll feel heat from russian nuclear warheads - it will be too late!

<< Comment #629 @ 01:19 CDT, 23 March 2016 >>

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Snow_Crash - Reply to #628

Just reading your post makes me hate both your shitty country and Russia and the USA
Reading this thread shows the viewpoints of people believing different ideologies and being mostly biased with the exception of few.
Nothing is black and white though and I will advise you to not make assumptions and blindly hate and preach something.
Case in point though you blindly hate Russia because you believe they are evil/satanic/demon.

<< Comment #630 @ 15:22 CDT, 23 March 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #629

I'm not try to say that Ukraine is perfect, I'm not polarizing "Ukraine is good, bur russia - is evil". I confirm that we have a lot problems, legacy of ruzky totalitarian regime. Only one i want to say: to warn others that kremlin will not stop in nuclear bombings - they'd did it already, and not once. All dirty katsaps with imperial mentality possessed with a sectist idea that "they are unique God-bearer nation, and others are slaves". All their history they attempted to conquest all neighbor countries, killing and assimilating nations, spreading like disease. Their target today - Europe, all actions, provocations, terroristic acts, refugees, bribing, intimidations, etc directed for destabilizing it. Only blind cannot see it. Or a liar ruzki.

P.S. Russian accredited representative of ru president Markov announced possible terroristic blasts in Berlin. Stupid dirty katsaps often blab out their secrets, especially when they are boasting. I hope I'm wrong.

<< Comment #631 @ 01:02 CDT, 25 March 2016 >>

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crunkus - Reply to #629

Russia also has a pretty bad history at the way it treats it's neighbors, killing in the millions. If Russia doesn't want shit thrown it's way then it shouldn't annex territory illegally. It's against international law. This is something Russia has done much of it's history with it's neighboring countries - including Finland.

Ukrainians lost millions in deliberately triggered famines caused by Russia that killed them in the millions. This was less then 100 years ago. And they brutally annexed them into the soviet union. Sorry if he shouldn't show some worry. And yes, what Russia did to them was absolutely horrible and evil. It doesn't get more evil than killing millions of people.

You also have crazy ass Putin saying things like we should use nuclear missles and whatnot to solve problems. Sorry if some people view him the same way people view Donald Trump.

Edited by crunkus at 01:17 CDT, 25 March 2016

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<< Comment #633 @ 13:33 CDT, 26 March 2016 >>

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z3ct4d

The world dekatsapization in process: yesterday in Chernohoria (Montenegro) police arrested 55 dirty katsaps, and a five Japan citizens. Possibly that band was a cell of japanese terroristic sect "Aum Shinrikyo".
More than hundred policemans and specops where used, 205 electronic gadgets confiscated. They suspected in terrorism, robbery and racket on EU countries.

Edited by z3ct4d at 05:49 CST, 8 March 2018

<< Comment #634 @ 17:05 CDT, 26 March 2016 >>

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WTFProoF?!

Another day, another quality-content video in this shit-hole. Thank me later.

Edited by WTFProoF?! at 17:10 CDT, 26 March 2016

<< Comment #635 @ 13:06 CDT, 28 March 2016 >>

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z3ct4d

German ZDF channel about second year of Crimea occupation:

[De + Ru subs]

<< Comment #636 @ 04:15 CDT, 31 March 2016 >>

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Cyrax - Reply to #635

Hi, there is no distinct pro-russian propaganda on this site so your frequent posts looks like some flood even for me.
I'm suggest you to cool down a bit.

<< Comment #637 @ 04:54 CDT, 31 March 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #636

- Yes Sir! Private Zeman.
- I'll shot up for a while.
- Yes, Sir!

I'm posting only 1/100-200 info, from what I take everyday.
More there: topic is overloaded. Suppose to create a themes about terrorism, and World Dekatsapization (similar things.) etc, placing here only the most important news, like stages of war.

<< Comment #638 @ 06:01 CDT, 29 April 2016 >>

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Oh lol: http://anna-news.info/ (hacked)

<< Comment #639 @ 17:51 CDT, 19 May 2016 >>

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Erschreckender Report zeigt, wie pro-russische Separatisten 4000 Menschen folterten [De]

All russian crimes are unforgiven!
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Already after that Poland arrested russian spy - they got terroristic acts - .

"Worser than war with Russia is only a "friendship" with Russia!"

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[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-mh-idUSKCN0YC06P?il=0]Australian firm names Russia, Putin in MH17 compensation claim

Edited by z3ct4d at 09:08 CDT, 21 May 2016

<< Comment #640 @ 20:38 CDT, 3 July 2016 >>

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Foreign Fighter Italiani [It] - an Italian neonazi mercs fighting in russian side in Ukraine.

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The most funny thing that russian propaganda positioning itself as the fighters against nacizm.

...It remains an open question that these characters may be sleeping terror cells in Europe to support Russia in the future, as already suggested by German intelligence services, which in turn requires maximum effort from the Italian security agencies to prevent possible terror.

Edited by z3ct4d at 20:44 CDT, 3 July 2016

<< Comment #641 @ 06:47 CDT, 12 July 2016 >>

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A few days ago Ukrainan forces captured eight "terrorussian citizens" near Troitske village, on a frontline. An interrogation of wounded one:

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"This war is useless, people are just killing each other... Thanks to your doctors, they'd saved my leg."
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George Soros describes Ukraine as "EU's greatest asset":
"The EU's greatest asset is Ukraine, whose citizens are willing to die in defence of their country. By defending themselves, they are also defending the EU – rare in Europe nowadays," he said.

<< Comment #642 @ 09:01 CDT, 21 July 2016 >>

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Journalist Pavel Sheremet killed by car bomb in Kyiv:

That was yesterday, in a center district.
Terrorussia failed with full occupation of full Ukraine, and goes with terror.
Fuck you, dirty katsaps!

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PS, and 22 july dirty katsaps killed famous Ukraininan painter Viktor Kryzhanivsky:

Newer ask why terrorussian scum are unforgiven, and should burn in hell!

Edited by z3ct4d at 19:50 CDT, 24 July 2016

<< Comment #643 @ 13:06 CDT, 3 August 2016 >>

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German Bild (Zeitung) got an interview [De] with man living in occupied by russians city. Talks about life inside the "barbed wire area", survival, misery, total control and compulsion by russians, personality cult, etc.

<< Comment #644 @ 09:40 CDT, 8 August 2016 >>

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A few days ago in occupied by dirty katsaps territory in a center of Donetsk city was blown up one of their "leader", self-declared Governor Plotnitskiy:

Not sure for 100% was it a attempt of kremlin's FSB to kill uncontrolled slave, or it was pure criminal killer's job. Not sure was it staged attempt to imitate death and runaway with terroristic "budget", - nobody had seen his live/dead body, and his real speech. That "suspicious speech" was unclear, and possibly fake. Internet is full of fakes about of this story.
Anyway, changing, or wounding terroristic leader ruled by kremlin doesn't change much. But trait, death and terrorism - is always was in "russian world".

<< Comment #645 @ 09:49 CDT, 22 August 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #644

"It" lives, and appeared on a public. In sunglasses. (FSB beated Him in a face, hehe?)

<< Comment #646 @ 10:24 CDT, 22 August 2016 >>

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A week ago dirty katsaps organized a provocation with a few victims near the entrance to occupied Crimea. That was an attempt to claim Ukraine in terrorism (on occupied by katsap's lands!), and to "legitimate" new intrusions and phases of war.

[En subs]

For what UN secretary reminded to terrorussians that Crimea - is a territory of Ukraine.
All ruzki claims for that fake where laughed in Web, like usual, and dirty katsaps failed. This story could be funny, if terrorussians didn't kill a people and keep kidnapped Ukrainians in a jail with charge of terrorism.

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In a two days Ukraine will celebrate a 25-th anniversary of independence, and dirty katsaps will try to make a new provocations for this valuable date, like they did in previous years. An inside info talks that ruzkie got a few hundreds kits of Ukrainian camouflage, and going to make a masquerade with a mass murder under the our flags using out uniform. Prepare for a new ruzki fakes.

<< Comment #647 @ 07:13 CDT, 16 September 2016 >>

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A little historic course: another one evidence of terrorussian role of war. A pooteen's counselor Hlazyev calls, who ruled the terrorists in Ukraine.

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That's why every ruzki must be deported back to terrorusia from rest of the world - cause they always make terror.

And a photo of month:
Frank Steinmeyer, German minister of foreign affairs visited liberated regions of Eastern Ukraine, in a way to new ceasfire agreements. The inscription on a ruined by terrorussian scum bridge: "the russian world was here".

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PS, an EuroNews vid from there.

Edited by z3ct4d at 07:34 CDT, 16 September 2016

<< Comment #648 @ 12:05 CDT, 16 October 2016 >>

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France24 caught dirty katsaps in provokative shellings:

<< Comment #649 @ 19:43 CST, 25 November 2016 >>

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Ukrainian volunteers still proceed investigation, identifying ruzki scum invaders, etc:

A month ago they'd got a ton of terabytes of terrorussian data, which allow to identify most of kremlin mercs.
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And probably the biggest kremlin's fail, since the MH17, is the failed "revolution" in Balcanian Crna Gora, in which hundreds of ruzki Ivans with tons of weapons was arrested. Ruzki mercenaries planned to kill Premier minister, capture the government, etc. Unofficial sources say that little state of Crna Gora couldn't make huge and successful operation without cooperation with probably German, US and Ukrainian intelligence, which helped to identify and track these dirty katsaps. Yesterday ruzki Ivan was a cop in Ulyanovsk - today He become a bomber of Syria, terrorist in Ukraine, or killer of European investigators. Yesterday Caucasian Shamil was a tourism instructor in Caucasian mountains (controlled by kremlin) - today He become a mass murderer in Paris, or a merc of ISIS.

<< Comment #650 @ 17:43 CST, 29 November 2016 >>

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Now French movie about katsaps of "pseudo-republics" in East of Ukraine:

[Fr subs, translated] 1 hour, 14 min.

"À partir de l’été 2014, des milliers de jeunes Russes affluent en Ukraine de l’Est, dans la région du Donbass, pour y prendre les armes dopés par la propagande de la télévision d’Etat russe, persuadés de faire leur devoir patriotique. Parmi eux, Oleg et Max. L’un, Oleg, est promu commandant d’un bataillon, l’autre, Max, devient soldat.

Leur histoire, racontée en jeu de miroir, se fracasse la nuit du 3 juin 2015, lorsque Oleg mène ses hommes à la mort. La bataille décimera une partie du bataillon. Ces hommes seront confrontés à leur propre choix... Ce documentaire est poignant. Il est réalisé par la journaliste franco-russe Elena Volochine spécialiste de la question Ukrainienne et le photo-reporter de guerre James Keogh.
AVANT-PREMIERE DIGITALE

Nous vous proposons, en partenariat avec Telerama.fr, de regarder ce documentaire en avant-première digitale les 24 & 25 novembre sur cette page publicsenat.fr"

<< Comment #651 @ 21:25 CST, 29 November 2016 >>

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This thread almost kills my web browser every time I enter.

Edited by aiken at 21:26 CST, 29 November 2016

<< Comment #653 @ 14:28 CST, 30 November 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #651

- Going to make a new topic in 2017. (the same in Syria)

<< Comment #652 @ 14:26 CST, 30 November 2016 >>

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Map and list of pooteen's friends in EU made by slate.fr [Fr]

Edited by z3ct4d at 14:26 CST, 30 November 2016

<< Comment #654 @ 17:00 CST, 6 December 2016 >>

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i think this ware just a propaganda. ukraine lives with russia for very long time together, but now for some political reasons, united states decided what need to do something bad with it...

<< Comment #655 @ 03:14 CST, 13 December 2016 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #654

Propaganda making by faggots from media, while Ukrainians defending their lands using all types of weapons, except submarines and nukes, which We do not have. But...
Ukraine do not live near terrorussia in peace, dirty katsaps all these 25 years where clucking that "Crimea - is russian", "give me back my USSR!", etc bullshit. In 20-th century Ukrainian nation lost MORE people from russian genocide than died in World Wars. Kremlin always tried to destroy Ukraine, and the main reason is that fact that terrorussian slave ideology based on stolen historical proud of Kievian Rus, which should be Ukrainian legacy. That's why dirty katsaps call themselves "russkie", and call it's state (who named Moscovia before 18-th century) as "russia" - like they're Europeans but not where a part of Mongolian Golden Horde.

<< Comment #656 @ 10:36 CDT, 22 March 2017 >>

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Avdiivka ruined mines, another ton of ruzki lie in Haague, new fakes about MH-17, killing kremlin's executors of failed russian invasion, shelling villages every day - the terrorussian world:

<< Comment #657 @ 20:33 CDT, 23 March 2017 >>

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Good day for terrorussia today:
A Russian Critic of Putin Is Assassinated in Ukraine

Dirty katsaps killing important witnesses: "In Ukraine, Mr. Voronenkov had promised to testify for the prosecution in a criminal case against Ukraine’s former Russia-aligned president, Viktor F. Yanukovych, and to provide an insider’s information about Russian government deliberations and actions during the annexation of Crimea in 2014"
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Terrorussians suceed in destroying one of biggest Ukrainian military store on east region:

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Unconfirmed version that they'd used drones throwing bombs, like they'd tried in previous years.

<< Comment #658 @ 21:32 CDT, 24 March 2017 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #657

The karmic justice wasn't too long next day in terrorussia burned gunpowder factory!

<< Comment #659 @ 22:11 CDT, 8 April 2017 >>

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War isn't over, but Ukraine succeed for defending most of it's territory. We are humans with free will, not like these dirty katsaps:

The Guardian film about slavery tradition in terrorussia: Dagestanian brick factory slaves

Here is some prisoners from occupied by terrorussian scum territories of Ukraine there. We'll take those lands and Crimea back, no doubt! But dozens of thousands people killed by ruzki bustards is UNFORGIVABLE!

<< Comment #660 @ 16:50 CDT, 23 April 2017 >>

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Today ruzki scum blasted a OSCE car. One man died.

[censored dead body of citizen of GB]

Edited by z3ct4d at 16:51 CDT, 23 April 2017

<< Comment #661 @ 02:16 CDT, 1 June 2017 >>

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Donbas in Flames. Guide to the Conflict Zone

Read the latest book “Donbas in Flames. Guide to the Conflict Zone” published by Prometheus Center. This guide will be useful to journalists, researchers, war experts, diplomats and general readers seeking information on the war in Donbas:

https://informnapalm.org/en/wp-content/upload...-5_web.pdf

<< Comment #662 @ 12:39 CDT, 27 June 2017 >>

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Today dirty katsaps blast a car in a center of Kyiv with Ukrainian officer of intelligence service.

<<The detonation in the middle of Kiev of the head of the special reserve department of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense Colonel Maxim Shapoval is not just a challenge. This is already a message to our special services - you can not protect even your own.

Officers take such calls or accept and answer, or leave in vain for the position they hold.

This is not just a terrorist act and not just the murder of a GUR officer, it's an unprecedented arrogance.

And here it is already necessary not to search for performers, but to blow up the customers in Moscow - together with houses, families and servants. Where they do not wait. For one to blow ten. If there is even a doubt in complicity - to blow up, shoot, drown, destroy. Without hesitation and reflection. As much as possible and as hard as possible. At home, in the bath, at the mistress, at the stadium and on the road. Like rats. Even if it's not that rat, tomorrow it can bite.

Katzaps understand only dull power.

Only smashing a face on a table.

Otherwise they stupidly become impudent>> ©

<< Comment #663 @ 19:41 CDT, 20 July 2017 >>

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"I killed the Russians": Swedish sniper Michael Skillt

Swedish volunteer told about the conversation in the plane with the Russian-speaking Russian anti-Ukrainian. The Swedish sniper Mikael Skillt, who fought in the Donbass as part of the Azov battalion, during the conversation in the plane brought the "cotton jacket" to hysterics.

His story, he shared in an interview with the publication "Narodna Pravda". He noted that during his travels he had often come across "watniks". (dumb-ass "russian patriots", word-by-word - "cotton jacket" - some kind a "meme")

"Already met a few, as it is called? "Watnik", that's it.

One of them is a woman on the plane. We flew Ukrainian airlines, and through the passage sat this lady.

She asked something, I answered in Russian, as best I could, conversation started.

She, I do not know why, probably thought that I, too, was a pro-russian, began to say that the Russians would still kill all Ukrainians.

I picked up my shirt sleeves and showed her the tattoos of Azov and said that I was killing the Russians. (lol)

The woman started screaming, demanding from the stewardess that she be transplanted to another place, that I was going to kill her.

But in the end it all ended up being turned into a business class. I was pleased, "- said the sniper.

He added that he loved Ukraine, and that "it's impossible to be calm" to our country.

"This is what all my friends from Europe say," Skilt said.

Edited by z3ct4d at 19:42 CDT, 20 July 2017

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Another one "terrorussian volunteer" with documents and weapons caught on East of Ukraine and become a TV "star":

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<< Comment #665 @ 07:49 CDT, 28 July 2017 >>

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This website:
https://warsawinstitute.org/ ! For anyone who care about geopolitical situation in central and eastern Europe. Try not to spread misinformation guys, first learn about facts.

<< Comment #666 @ 15:19 CDT, 12 September 2017 >>

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A few days ago ruzkies blast a car in a center of Kyiv, Ukrainian capital: (one died, also wounded woman lost a leg)

Asassinated man was a Chechen, professional scout, who fought against the pooteen's regime in Chechen wars, in Georgia in 2008, and in Ukraine 2015-17. The kremlin faggots tried to blast Him in Georgia in 2009, also Turks arrested Him by russian claiming in 2012, but Georgia gave an alibi. He was involved in freeing a two Ukrainian hostages, who had a pilgrimage in Syria and where captured by ruzky troops in 2016.

Certainly this is a demonstrative terroristic act against the Chechens who fight for their independence, and it's show the fear of kremlin about Ukrainian support of enslaved nations of he "jail of nations" - the terrorussia.

<< Comment #667 @ 16:06 CDT, 12 September 2017 >>

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But don't be sad: the dekatsapization process is always pleasant! (Ukrainian woman sniper's work)

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Always dream to kill commies? Welcome to Ukraine!

Edited by z3ct4d at 16:52 CST, 25 January 2018

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<< Comment #669 @ 04:46 CDT, 21 September 2017 >>

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Five countries participating in the Joint Working Group on the investigation of the tragedy of MN17 voyage signed a Memorandum that will help establish a tribunal to punish those responsible for the death of 298 passengers.

<<At a meeting of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) in New York we have taken a further step toward achieving justice for those killed when Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was brought down over Eastern Ukraine on 17 July 2014.

Together with my counterparts from Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine, I have signed a Memorandum of Understanding confirming Australia's full cooperation with and support for the Dutch national prosecution process announced on 5 July 2017.

The five JIT member countries are united in our joint resolve to hold the perpetrators to account, in line with United Nations Security Council Resolution 2166.

The Australian Government has full confidence in the quality, impartiality and integrity of the Dutch legal system and commends the Dutch Government's leadership in seeking justice for MH17.

We urge all states to cooperate fully with efforts to achieve accountability for the 298 passengers and crew who died, including the 38 people who called Australia home>>.

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Edited by z3ct4d at 17:58 CDT, 24 October 2017

<< Comment #671 @ 07:14 CST, 9 December 2017 >>

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+1 dirty katsap for tribunal of Haague (or hell):

<< Comment #672 @ 16:56 CST, 28 December 2017 >>

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<< Comment #673 @ 18:10 CST, 24 January 2018 >>

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Three years anniversary of shelling Mariupol by terrorussians:

[18+, dead bodies, blood, etc. EN subtitles]

One hour of solid video of consequences of 10 seconds of ruzki shellings, when they'd failed to re-capture Ukrainian town held by Ukrainian forces. (yes, it's the same town of earlier video with shellings on a road)

Always remember that ruzki scum is not any kind a "brothers" to humans! And don't ask why planet need to remove katsaps from human society.

<< Comment #674 @ 12:02 CST, 24 February 2018 >>

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A little music episode from frontline:

The terrorussian howitzer shelling background.
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The sniper's work yesterday:

Minus one dirty katsap!

Edited by z3ct4d at 12:20 CST, 24 February 2018

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The MH-17 theme: journalists found a man, who was known in terrorussian media as "spanish air-traffic controller who reported for Ukrainian jet fighters who shot down the Boeing plane".

"Traffic controller Carlos, who allegedly worked at the Kiev Borispol airport and wrote on Twitter under the pseudonym spainbuca that Ukrainian planes were chasing the Malaysian Boeing, turned out to be a man named José Carlos Barrios Sánchez. He has a criminal record in Spain and was arrested in Romania for fraud, "- said in a statement.

After the plane MH17 was shot down in the sky over the Donbass, Russian propaganda actively multiplied different versions of the disaster. One of them was based on reports of a supposedly "Spanish dispatcher" who not only wrote on Twitter, but was also shown on the air of the Spanish unit of the Russian RT channel..."

Yep, people already know who downed MH17 in that black day, but disclosure of ruzki fakes is a step for final justice over terrorussian regime.

<< Comment #678 @ 06:33 CDT, 19 March 2018 >>

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<< Comment #676 @ 09:19 CDT, 18 March 2018 >>

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z3ct4d, you're a very sick fuck. I don't know what's your problem, but it's scary to think people like you roam the roads free.

<< Comment #677 @ 11:02 CDT, 18 March 2018 >>

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Do you still live in kremlin illusions about "white ruzki brothers", or You're bustard of these scum?:

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If You're German - You should know where that installation stand in.

Edited by z3ct4d at 11:08 CDT, 18 March 2018

<< Comment #679 @ 11:50 CDT, 15 April 2018 >>

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Proofs of the Russian Aggression: InformNapalm releases extensive database of evidence

"More than 1300 Russian servicemen from 89 units of the Russian army and other law enforcement and security of Russia, as well as 44 types of Russian weapons and equipment, which could not have been captured in combat, and were secretly brought to Donbas..."

Edited by z3ct4d at 11:51 CDT, 15 April 2018

<< Comment #680 @ 04:03 CDT, 30 April 2018 >>

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9-th April a dirty katsap with German citizenship was wounded on east of Ukraine:

Unpleasant fact that He has an Ukrainian family name fighting for terrorussian proxywar, possibly he had a human in a few generations before in his race.
Remember that russians still stay a murderers and a liars, haters of humanity when migrating to western world. All sympathizers of pooteen, or Stalin, etc ruzki scum must be deported back to their cannibalistic hell!

Edited by z3ct4d at 04:04 CDT, 30 April 2018

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Minus another one terrorussian batallion leader Oleg Mamiev from Osetia region. (terrorussian citizenship) Just look at his muzzle:

Edited by z3ct4d at 11:27 CDT, 18 May 2018

<< Comment #682 @ 15:57 CDT, 20 May 2018 >>

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The katsap_removing process from the air, may 2018:

<< Comment #683 @ 09:43 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Finally investigation of MH-17 is over and final official verdict is - russia did it: (not a big surprise)

[reconstruction, mostly En with Ru subs]

<< Comment #684 @ 15:30 CDT, 1 June 2018 >>

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The terrorussian shellings of the Avdiivka village made by today: (filmed by ruzkie itself)

<< Comment #685 @ 10:49 CDT, 11 July 2018 >>

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The katsap removing process is still going:

Village by village is slowly cleaning from neanderthal monkeys, and there become peace.

<< Comment #686 @ 03:09 CDT, 18 July 2018 >>

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OSCE caught again on leaking classified data to kremlin:

https://www.mdr.de/investigativ/spionage-verd...b-100.html

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/osze-ukraine-spionage-101.html

- Half of these corrupted bustards are hired russians, so don't be surprised why they "don't see" russian tanks, and try to report about "internal conflict".
More there: our troopers say that sometimes after their visiting to Ukrainians front locations the ruzkie begun direct shelling of their bases. It's a 100% trait.

<< Comment #687 @ 14:11 CDT, 11 August 2018 >>

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Leaked a very nice video how Ukrainian "flying tanks" Mi-24 where covering our military convoy in June 2014:

Yep, Ukrainian specops elite is based on a those helicopters, which eject a troopers and than covering them from air.

<< Comment #688 @ 17:35 CDT, 31 August 2018 >>

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z3ct4d

Today everyone in Ukraine celebrate death of our enemies: two criminal bosses in a two days in a row: a criminal boss Kobzon, leader of the jewish mafia in terrorussia, heroin contraband ruler on all Ex-USSR territory, producer of fake-talents on a variety (mostly faggots) mafia. Sponsor of terrorism, and a big hater of Ukraine. He died by cancer. Yep, it's that person, who was forbidden to visit most western countries by his connections with criminal scum all around the world.
And a Zakharchenko (from the left side): a puppet leader of one of the fake "republic" controlled by terrorussians on East of Ukraine. Known as Ukrainians captive executioner, chicken factory boss (hahaha), and a stupid katsap who cannot say two phrases on a camera without a paper. He was blasted in a restaurant on occupied territory today, died in a hospital by incompatible with life wounds. Suppose that FSB killed him for disobedience, lake many others terroristic bosses for these goddamned 4 years...

Go back to hell, ruzki scum!

Edited by z3ct4d at 17:36 CDT, 31 August 2018

<< Comment #689 @ 21:11 CDT, 13 September 2018 >>

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So, found another one solid reason why terrorussian government was classified it's statistics of military loss in "peaceful period": 1600+ new graves only on one cemetery near St-Pieterburg:

A few month ago the terrorusian pension reserve fund leaked data about payouts for 90 thousands killed soldiers, and around 70 thousands wounded for last 5 years. Suppose that statistics summed with Syria, but it is not bad result. Bad that dirty katsaps stopping only when millions of them dying...

<< Comment #690 @ 15:45 CST, 25 November 2018 >>

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Dirty katsaps shooting our military ships in Azov sea. Ukraine lost two military boats, and a tugboat. They have captives, some of them are wounded. The ruzki scum filmed it a little:

Ocasionally it happened in a few weeks after warning of terrorussia about provocations in a sea around Crimea. Prepare for a new sanctions, ruzki scum, closing the borders, stopping the traffic, arresting the terrorussian holdings all around the world, etc. Ukraine going to military condition.

<< Comment #691 @ 05:11 CST, 26 November 2018 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #690

Uhm, Ukrainians ignored all warnings, violated rules, provoked Russia into an attack, forcing their hand. Those are the facts so far. Possibly a stunt to increase Porkoshenko's popularity.
Quote: "As reported earlier, Russia did not immediately respond to the allegation, but Russian news agencies cited the FSB security service as saying it had incontrovertible proof that Ukraine had orchestrated what it called “a provocation” and would make its evidence public soon. "

I'm not sure why I bother commenting, since you are basically the antithesis of being unbiased when it comes to ukr/rus, but oh well. :)

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<< Comment #693 @ 19:39 CST, 26 November 2018 >>

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Smuggler - Reply to #691

The sea was shared by either country before 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea. So there is no precedent for Russian sovereignty in those waters other than its military might.

<< Comment #694 @ 21:22 CST, 26 November 2018 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #693

That's funny. If you care so much about the past, maybe you should consider that it used to be Russia, originally? But we live in the now, not 4 years ago. Btw, what annexation? Maybe if you only watch mainstream media. Crimea had a referendum and the ppl voted 90%+ yes.

<< Comment #696 @ 01:47 CST, 27 November 2018 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #691

- Do your daughter, wife and mother prepared their holes to meet the terrorussian jewmongolian dicks? Or they'd always where takin them?

<< Comment #692 @ 16:45 CST, 26 November 2018 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #690

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-26/cap...ideo-shows

<< Comment #695 @ 01:44 CST, 27 November 2018 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #692

i'd already saw that video: sailors are captives, and they can say anything in terrorusian jail. Full "interrogation" video shows that they all reading text from paper.

<< Comment #697 @ 08:43 CST, 27 November 2018 >>

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slm - Reply to #690

All social surveys in ua tell that its president Poroshenko lost almost all ppl support (~3%) and in 2019 there should be president elections. Poroshenko obviously can't win 2019 elections with democratical procedures due to low approvment thats why he provoke russians on purpose and finally gain "martial law" - according to this law there are will be no ANY elections whatsoever.
score:
Poroshenko 1:0 ukrainians

<< Comment #698 @ 11:56 CST, 27 November 2018 >>

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Gobotz

Crimea.
Crime.

<< Comment #699 @ 18:22 CST, 27 November 2018 >>

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z3ct4d

More closely: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46356111

<< Comment #700 @ 21:51 CST, 27 November 2018 >>

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006 - Reply to #699

A closer look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmvemoeBQ3o

<< Comment #701 @ 01:02 CST, 28 November 2018 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #700

- A closer look how it always ends for russia.

<< Comment #703 @ 05:35 CST, 28 November 2018 >>

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son1dow

Large portions of Europe have a very long history of being under the GDoL. Return them to us.
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You can't make allies of democratic countries near a superpower and expect their autonomy. not to be undermined. How dare you criticize US meddling and abusing south america for decades, it's their turf and their business.
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Have you seen what the Chinese are doing to the Uyghurs? Why aren't you talking about them in this thread about Ukraine? What is wrong with you? You have no moral ground, talk about the Uyghurs you fucking shill!

<< Comment #704 @ 03:53 CST, 8 January 2019 >>

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WHERE DO THE FASHISTS GO
The hybrid wars toolkit is diverse, but of the same type. Best of all, Vladimir Zarudnitsky, head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, described him in his report:

"The mechanism of aggression consists in the fact that the aggressor state splits the victim country from the inside. To do this, internal contradictions are encouraged and inflamed. No matter what - national, religious, social or territorial. Then these contradictions are transformed into open opposition between the opposition forces and the government. If the regime tries to retain power, then the next stage is civil war. "
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Post Telewizja Polska

The Mazovian Department of the National Prosecutor’s Office of Poland brought the case file to the court against three Polish citizens who, in early February 2018, set fire to the house of the Society of Hungarian Culture in Transcarpathia. The investigation believes that the main purpose of this provocation was the deterioration of Ukrainian-Hungarian relations.

The main suspect is a 28-year-old Polish citizen associated with the neo-fascist organization Falanga and the pro-Russian party Zmiana, whose leader has been in detention for the third consecutive year and is suspected of collaborating with Russian and Chinese intelligence.

In the Transcarpathian region lives 150 thousandth Hungarian minority. On February 4, 2018, in the office of the Society of Hungarian Culture in Uzhgorod, a swastika was painted on the wall and a petrol bomb was thrown through the window. Immediately after this, the Hungarian government asked the OSCE to protect the Transcarpathian Hungarians.

https://www.tvp.info/40726696/polacy-oskarzen...zakarpaciu
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Message newspaper Izvestia
(as well as Interfax, KP, Satellite, RT, etc.)

The Hungarian Foreign Ministry summoned the Ukrainian ambassador in connection with the attack on the office of the Society of Hungarian Culture of Transcarpathia in Uzhgorod.

“Extremist political ideas are growing in Ukraine. This is evident from the laws that the Ukrainian parliament adopts and which seriously limit the rights of minorities. Thus, representatives of the Hungarian national community in Transcarpathia are intimidated, ”the statement of the Hungarian Foreign Minister reports to Interfax.

He stressed that if Ukraine is committed to the EU and NATO, then it should curb the nationalists. The Hungarian Foreign Minister also said that he would hold a meeting with the OSCE High Commissioner for Human Rights and tell him about this situation.

https://iz.ru/714038/2018-02-27/mid-vengrii-v...-uzhgorode
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Money for travel and accommodation (in thousands of zlotys) "Ukrainian nationalists", who turned out to be citizens of Poland, received from a German journalist. This is to understand the scale of the intelligence network of Russian intelligence services in Europe.

Useful idiots in the Kremlin despise, but tend to use in every way. Their number is infinite, they are cheap, and such psychological operations are effective in the framework of the hybrid war against Ukraine. ©

<< Comment #706 @ 06:23 CST, 6 February 2019 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #704

[De with subtitles]

<< Comment #705 @ 12:01 CST, 3 February 2019 >>

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The dekatsapization process near Zolote village on eastern front, Feb 2019:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_beATihLoY

<< Comment #707 @ 16:47 CST, 17 February 2019 >>

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z3ct4d

So, more and more roosters from all the world are fried here:

<< Comment #708 @ 15:29 CST, 7 March 2019 >>

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this is so hard to judge which side is right. and i think we are outsiders that we dont know the truth inside to know who's wrong who's right.! but whoever trying to get a hand on the issue, they should put the safe and the life of the innocent ukraina first. UN must do something out of this, they are just a clone in this case when three of the most powerful countries and union step in

<< Comment #709 @ 18:12 CDT, 22 August 2019 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #708

- Is that Ukraine occupy Rostov? Is that Ukraine was financing terrorists for 10 years before to make separate conditions somewhere in Syberia? Was Ukraine an empire, which had Russia as a part in it? Is there thousands Ukrainian militants killed in a "civil war" near Moscow? Is there Ukrainians riding on tanks on fields of Yakutia and killing Mongols? Is that Ukraine has friendship with all dictator bustards all around a world? Is that Ukraine threatening the World with nukes, who failed to fly contaging itself with radiation? Is that Ukraine founded around a hundred years ago the biggest world terroristic organization for conquesting the World - Comintern, who is still working?
Don't be stupid.

Edited by z3ct4d at 18:41 CDT, 22 August 2019

<< Comment #710 @ 18:33 CDT, 22 August 2019 >>

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Dekatsapization of Ukrainian land is still in process:

20 goatfaced bustards fly away to a russian "heaven" promised by theid dickhead dicktator!

<< Comment #711 @ 06:45 CDT, 4 October 2019 >>

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In September Ukraine and terrorussia had prisoners exchange. Dozens of peoplle are free, and dozens of dirty katsaps get back to bigger prison ("russia").
First it was almost failed due that terrorussia wanted to get a Vladimir Tsemakh - an witness of MH-17 catastrophe. Tsemakh had Ukrainian citizenship and collaborate with terrorussia, possibly he was in military radar crew, he was captured from occupied territories by Ukrainian specops. That fact that dickhead dicktator pooteen khuilo wanted to get him finally proves the guilty of terrorussia in MH-17. He isn't such important incriminate like Girkin, Kozitsin, Zakharchenko, Surkov, etc in future international tribunal over terrorussia. He already was interrogated. So saving a few people lives is more valuable, in my opinion.

Photo, freed political prisoner Oleg Sentsov gifts to president of France his jail cup in meaning of keepsake that terrorussia - is a jail of nations.

There are hundreds more prisoners there, and planned a new exchange in a few next weeks.

Edited by z3ct4d at 06:57 CDT, 4 October 2019

<< Comment #712 @ 16:57 CST, 3 November 2019 >>

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Ukraimian soldiers killed by terrorussian scum in October this year:

Girl from preview was shot by ruzky sniper with 50 cal. Sure he could see her in a scope well, but he did.
P.S. If someone say that "there is no war in Ukraine", etc bullshit - shot him in his goatfaced mug and go back to your work!

<< Comment #713 @ 21:51 CST, 16 November 2019 >>

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A little more evidences of MH17 tragedy:

<< Comment #714 @ 07:16 CST, 11 December 2019 >>

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The kremlin propagandist during the NewYorker interview had to admit that "two kilometer long Boeing plane" was a fake.

Yep, deal about those "secret satellite images" shown on terrorussian TV as "evidence of Ukrainian guilty", bgahahaa.

Where "original picture" was made in "Photoshop" in it's picture tags, unproportionate Boeing was taken from promo picture, and fields taken from googlemaps couple years ago before incident.
Dirty katsaps still live by USSR standarts, like Internet, computers and IT-investigation are not exist, and they able to lie after destroying some documents or photos. "No man - no problem!" © comrade Stalin.

Edited by z3ct4d at 07:19 CST, 11 December 2019

<< Comment #715 @ 15:18 CDT, 5 June 2020 >>

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https://www.dw.com/en/german-neo-nazis-traine...a-53692907

"Members of the youth wing of Germany's extreme-right National Democratic Party (NPD) and the minor right-wing party The Third Way have completed the training, the report said, citing German intelligence sources.

The participants received training in how to use weapons and explosives. They were also trained in close combat, the magazine said.

Swedish and Finnish nationals are also among the trainees. Participants go on to join Russian militias active in eastern Ukraine."

Meanwhile poor ruzky cocksuckers clucking about "nazi theme", hahahah.)))

<< Comment #716 @ 07:35 CDT, 21 July 2020 >>

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6 years since MH-17 tragedy, and The Netherlands brings MH17 case against Russia before European Court of Human Rights:

https://www.government.nl/latest/news/2020/07...man-rights

All terrorussian fakes didn't helped: seized bum as "traffic controller", photoshopped two kilometer Boeing shown on official TV, etc didn't helped - prepare to new sanctions under Iron Curtain 2, liar scum!

P.S.

Edited by z3ct4d at 21:34 CDT, 26 July 2020

<< Comment #717 @ 19:17 CDT, 15 September 2020 >>

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If someone think that war in Ukraine is over:

Translation:

- Vasya, look, that sniper is making a nightmare again!
- Yes, I got it! Yesterday he killed up a civilian.
- Does it strike accurately?
- Yes, they have new Russian rifles.
- Well, what, really? Maybe some female snipers?
- Do you remember that grandfather who brought us milk? Here he shot him yesterday, and there the range is more than 1000.
- Nothing, now we have it.
- To the left, to the left, take it.
- There is. Pretty boy!
- Vasya, well done!
- Glory to Ukraine!

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<< Comment #718 @ 07:04 CDT, 29 September 2020 >>

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New terrorussian fake about MH-17: [Ru language, no subs]

https://storage2.censor.net/video/3/290920_pri.mp4

"The plane was chased by Ukrainian interceptors, was maneuvering among buildings, and flyover the electric powerlines - all our squad had seen this!" - Perfect example of "russian truth".

<< Comment #719 @ 06:24 CST, 4 November 2020 >>

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Yesterday Italian judges finally justified and freed Vitaliy Markiv, Ukrainian national guard, who was claimed by terrorussian propagandists in killing ruzky reporters on frontline.

https://www.milanotoday.it/cronaca/processo-r...arkiv.html

Ye, dirty katsaps lied that AK rifle (which Markiv was armed) could hit their victims from 1600 meters, hahaah. Three years where wasted in a jail only cause Italians trusted to liar moskovites!

<< Comment #720 @ 20:55 CST, 12 November 2020 >>

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Dirty katsaps made a lot of work to produce fakes about MH-17 in 2019:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe...a-project/

<< Comment #721 @ 16:31 CST, 10 January 2021 >>

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One of the jerks, who was pooping in Capitolium a few days ago was identified, and that's a katsap who was fighting at pidarussian side in Ukraine:

[Ukr language] https://myrotvorets.news/kapitolii-shturmuval...CaMQktmuw8

Links and photos included.

Edited by z3ct4d at 16:39 CST, 10 January 2021

<< Comment #723 @ 10:58 CST, 12 February 2021 >>

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skint - Reply to #721

looks like k-dawg

<< Comment #722 @ 11:28 CST, 2 February 2021 >>

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z3ct4d

Old videos, but dekatsapization in progress:

<< Comment #724 @ 16:56 CST, 13 February 2021 >>

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z3ct4d

War diaries. (to morons who thought that war has been ended) Catching pidorussian snipers:

Truce with ruzky scum newer works.

<< Comment #725 @ 13:51 CDT, 11 April 2021 >>

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Niederland publishing a unclassified part of intercepted phone conversation between katsaps after MH-17 downing: the'd happy about donwning the "Ukrainian plane", etc:

<< Comment #726 @ 09:53 CDT, 19 June 2021 >>

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Meanwhile MH-17 case is still going, we got new evidences of peedorushkas crimes, including map of "russian friendship" - rocket artillery shellings over Ua-Ru borders:
https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/video/2385520-al-het...resenteerd

<< Comment #727 @ 14:04 CDT, 6 September 2021 >>

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Tribunal over terrorussia for MH-17 is still going, today relatives of victims had a time to say a few "good worlds" for peedorushkas:

So, sit on a bottles, dirty katsaps and sosi huy very happy to pay tribute!

<< Comment #728 @ 14:32 CDT, 6 September 2021 >>

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<< Comment #729 @ 23:40 CDT, 18 September 2021 >>

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"Russia tried not to allow the issue of the Ukrainian occupied territories to be included in the agenda of the meeting of the UN General Assembly. The Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the Organization noted that such actions were symbolic precisely on September 17, when Soviet troops occupied the south of Poland. "

65 delegations voted to include the question
Against were Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Kazakhstan, Nicaragua, Philippines, Syria
Children, now you know by name the members of the elite closed club of countries "Rooster's Corner".

<< Comment #730 @ 08:53 CDT, 16 October 2021 >>

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Daily dekatsapization in process:

https://www.facebook.com/kastus.belarus.blog/...886721475/

<< Comment #731 @ 08:47 CST, 14 February 2022 >>

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Yes, dirty katsaps occupied Ukrainian Crimea 8 years ago. Occupied to transform it into a big gay muslim brothel, like they'd already did it with Caucasian region:

Pickup in occupied Crimea. The cherry of "russian world":

Don't ask that why so many peedorushkas has to be deported after deoccupation of Crimean peninsula...

P.S. Loled from deletion of a "pickup theme". Too heavy truth for shizo commiebrains, hahahah.

<< Comment #732 @ 12:08 CST, 16 February 2022 >>

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slm - Reply to #731

how much do u get paid for all this desinformation&propaganda from ur psy-ops chief officer? Like 1$ per each post here? Pathetic

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<< Comment #733 @ 15:46 CST, 16 February 2022 >>

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z3ct4d - Reply to #732

- Try to find at least one disinformation in my posts, attachment for a mopstick.)))

<< Comment #908 @ 13:47 CDT, 4 June 2022 >>

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nex1 ' - Reply to #733

R. I. P. "z3ct4d" 29/04/2009- 16/02/2022

Let's all pour one bottle of vodka in loving memory of the most cancerous racist ukrainian propaganda spamming bot.

You left so much silence in the decomposing corpse of ESR site with your sudden disappearance.

May you rot in piss.

Anyway, can we give a medal of honour to whoever sniped his sorry ass?

That's one heroic act if there ever was one. A real service to humanity as a whole.

<< Comment #734 @ 05:02 CST, 17 February 2022 >>

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This thread reads like a journal of a deeply disturbed gopnik with a severe case of identity crisis. Its actually quite fascinating

<< Comment #735 @ 11:43 CST, 24 February 2022 >>

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slm

Good news guys. The ukrainian centre of psy-operations wich located in Brovary, Kiev was destroyed with Kalibr's direct hit so there is a big chance u won't see "z3ct4d" any time soon. Hooray!

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<< Comment #736 @ 12:52 CST, 24 February 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #735

They will deploy another one ASAP.

<< Comment #737 @ 14:06 CST, 24 February 2022 >>

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006 - Reply to #735

Last Login: 24 Feb 2022

His country is at war, but he still has time to check ESR.

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<< Comment #738 @ 14:24 CST, 24 February 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #737

"""war"""

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<< Comment #742 @ 16:07 CST, 26 February 2022 >>

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gojira_ - Reply to #738

((()))

<< Comment #744 @ 06:41 CST, 27 February 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #742

:)))

<< Comment #740 @ 13:37 CST, 26 February 2022 >>

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nex1 ' - Reply to #735

If they actually got him, they deserve statues and streets named after them just for that gift to humanity alone.

Edited by nex1 at 13:38 CST, 26 February 2022

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<< Comment #739 @ 07:27 CST, 25 February 2022 >>

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Teen Queen '

Surely you must ask yourself - "are we the baddies?" when you make Talibans look like the good guys.

Distasteful, primitive. So many innocent civilians dying because some old ego-hungry retard can't keep his dick/rockets in his pants.

<< Comment #741 @ 13:47 CST, 26 February 2022 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #739

Age checks out.

Seriously, though. I am all for Putin going to gulag, right after Tony fucking Blair and George fucking Bush. Far bigger monsters

<< Comment #743 @ 18:03 CST, 26 February 2022 >>

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cx '

interesting viewpoint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GkmdCaBECs

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<< Comment #745 @ 08:24 CST, 27 February 2022 >>

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Anonymous (37.212.21.207) - Reply to #743

good one

<< Comment #746 @ 13:17 CST, 27 February 2022 >>

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cx ' - Reply to #745

While russia will probably win the war, because of vastly superior arms, trained personel, etc. ... I am not sure anything good will come out of that for russia ... they are now seen as a "really" bad country, I mean organizations cancel their events there, etc. ...and also their annected country Ukraine, I don't think the people will accept them as their new leaders, just like that, especiallyh with military invasion, I would have more understanding with Krim like, where the people elect themselves to be part of russia ... but military invasion, how is that working out with the people, especially in 2020+ ... what's the endgame here?
This thinking of his ukrainian comrades does not seem to be so mutal, as he says in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-ZdTGLmZo

Edited by cx at 13:25 CST, 27 February 2022

<< Comment #747 @ 18:31 CST, 27 February 2022 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #746

z3ct4d
Last Login: 27 Feb 2022
Level: Probation

He's alive!

<< Comment #748 @ 21:16 CST, 27 February 2022 >>

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006 - Reply to #747

He must be taking shelter in the subway instead of fighting with the men.

<< Comment #749 @ 04:03 CST, 28 February 2022 >>

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Meph1stoo ' - Reply to #748

He probably doesnt even live in UA. He gives off strong deranger diaspora vibes

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<< Comment #750 @ 04:43 CST, 28 February 2022 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #746

From what Scott Ritter implies, the welfare and aftermath of Ukraine is not relevant here (Ukraine not being a NATO puppet state is all that matters), the endgame seems to be Russia seeking a pretext to alienate itself from Europe, cut off oil & gas pipelines and sink Europe into economic instability. Not being able to take part in Eurovision or host some sportsball events is a fair price to pay for a weakened Europe.

Interestingly, other analysts have implied that the US has been pushing Ukraine in this manner specifically to trigger a Russian response so that they themselves can have a pretext to force Germany to back out of the Nord Stream 2 deal, and, likewise, alienate Germany and the rest of Europe from developing a strong relationship with Russia, because the US needs a weakened Europe that is dependent on them instead.

"If Russia invades then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2” (c) Biden, Feb 7th

Gee, it's almost as if this wasn't even about Ukraine. So, if you have noticed, (assuming both of these implications are true), both sides of this "conflict" were seeking a pretext for the same end-game: A weakened Europe.

Food for thought.

Edited by melechesh at 04:51 CST, 28 February 2022

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<< Comment #751 @ 05:22 CST, 28 February 2022 >>

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flynnT - Reply to #750

Makes sense that the goal is to weaken Europe economically. But ideologically, Europe seems to be closer together than ever during these days.

<< Comment #752 @ 16:02 CST, 28 February 2022 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #750

Except it's extremely unlikely Europe is affected more than Russia.

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<< Comment #755 @ 18:16 CST, 28 February 2022 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #752

That was my assumption too, but Ritter suggests Russia has been preparing for this situation for years, clearing their debt and strengthening economic relations & opportunities with China and the gang. If it is true that Russia provides 40% of Europe's energy, Europe will certainly be more affected than Russia if that is ever cut off by a substantial amount, or entirely.

<< Comment #756 @ 03:47 CST, 1 March 2022 >>

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Smuggler - Reply to #755

Correct. Europe and the rest of the Western world are turbofucked from these restrictions (protip: the global economy is already done for) whereas Russia has the wherewithal to withstand austerity and has been considering alternative arrangements for many years.

<< Comment #759 @ 05:23 CST, 1 March 2022 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #755

Russia did prepare, but you can't exactly prepare for this. The Russian economy simply isn't that big and powerful, several EU countries are bigger on their own. There's a Belgian report saying that next winter, EU can even do without Russian gas and it wouldn't be that bad. Meanwhile, Russian gas is flowing, because Europe isn't committed enough to kick them out, and Russia needs to export it more than we do. It's an unreasonable portion of the Russian economy and for a lot of it, it would take a long time to even get it to China, let alone sell it for the amounts they did in Europe.

Just look at what is happening in the markets, or where people are lined up next to the banks.

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Smuggler - Reply to #759

Maybe they didn't prepare to the extent that they should have but it doesn't matter. Russia and NATO are not in equal circumstances here. Putin and Russia are in a desperate situation defending a vital strategic interest using a fully-fledged military and a nuclear arsenal. The Ukraine is not of vital strategic interest to NATO and the US. The Ukraine is not even part of NATO. There is no reason for this anti-USSR alliance to get involved there.

I get that you're from the Baltic region and I'm not trying to be a dick. That's a hard situation to be in and you're frightened of Russia. Understand that I'm equally as frightened seeing people in the West who know nothing about the Ukraine get ginned up with warmongering anger by CIA/State Dept. war propaganda. It's very tiresome to see these humanitarian liberals on the side of neo-nazis, wearing the Ukranian flag in the US Congress and supporting handing out kaloshnikovs and molotovs to civilians. This is just beyond the pale.

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son1dow - Reply to #764

Understand that I'm equally as frightened seeing people in the West who know nothing about the Ukraine get ginned up with warmongering anger by CIA/State Dept. war propaganda. It's very tiresome to see these humanitarian liberals on the side of neo-nazis, wearing the Ukranian flag in the US Congress and supporting handing out kaloshnikovs and molotovs to civilians. This is just beyond the pale.

Russians in Russia need more freeing (not that it's feasible to do it and anyone is going to) than Russians in Ukraine. That is an undeniable fact if you look at what is going on in the two countries politically. The idea that fascism in Ukraine actually has anything to do with this, even as you previously present it as a vital strategic interest, just shows how deeply you've swallowed Russian propaganda. Ukraine was headed, slowly, towards a democratic and freer path, and Russia, because it has nothing other than energy and military might and cannot offer much to Ukrainians, is trying to prevent it by bombing cities.

If anyone cares about the far-right, it's very clear on whose side they should be. Same about imperialism. It's likewise extremely clear that even if there was a far right problem in Ukraine comparable to that in Russia, this is the worst way to attempt solving it.

Oh and if NATO was going to invade, they'd do it now, as Russia is getting bogged down trying to take over Ukraine. Except they won't because nobody wants nuclear war, and other countries are ramping up their defenses and considering joining NATO. This was in almost every way against Russia's strategic defense interests too, it's simply about fascism, imperialism. If sanctions didn't exist I might say it's for the economy, the gas in Ukraine, but the way Putin decided to get economically isolated, we know that's not it.

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pacmanpl - Reply to #766

Ukraine was headed, slowly, towards a democratic and freer path

How is USrael replacing Ukrainian government with their jews democratic and free?
Asking for a friend.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #768

How is whatever the fuck is happening right now freeing anyone?

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pacmanpl - Reply to #769

True. We are only getting closer to global slavery.
Getting invaded by USrael, Russia, China. It's never for the benefit of useless eaters.

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anal justice - Reply to #768

Can't believe I agree with something you've said

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pacmanpl - Reply to #773

Firm handshakes with my Anal Friend <3

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melechesh ' - Reply to #766

Ukraine was headed, slowly, towards a democratic and freer path

No, it was always headed to the path it's actually on, right now, getting fucked in the ass. US has been using Ukraine as bait for decades, ever since Clinton many senior US advisors over the years have warned that this would happen, yet each administration pressed on regardless, this is well documented. Ukraine was always going to be sacrificed like this sooner or later. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who gives less of a fuck about the wellbeing of Ukrainian citizens than Putin, except for people in Washington.

This is textbook US foreign policy.

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son1dow - Reply to #771

That might be US policy, I don't know, but if it looks like a massive blunder for Russia right now, then it can't have been inevitable because they could have just not taken it.

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cx ' - Reply to #772

what will happen if this operation becomes a massive blunder for russia?
will they come and say, uh, oh, sorry, please forgive me, you can have all these Ukrainian lands, pls just remove those sanctions, so our people can have a good life ... or ... will they get furios, say this is great RUSSIA, greatest territory on earth, global super power, we are not giving in ... and go all in NUCLEAR?

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son1dow - Reply to #788

I think it already is a massive blunder: it's not worth the sanctions, it's costing way more militarily than they thought and taking way longer (shown easily by their strategy and preparation), and it doesn't even currently look like they can hold it / keep it in their sphere of influence long term, not that war is predictable and this part couldn't turn upside down. The propaganda war at home is wholly unprepared for any of this. Citizens won't topple the government in Russia, but they're still a pain.

I don't know what they will do. Putin is already acting ideologically and not strategically IMO so this makes predictions harder, but... I think for now they're trying to hurt Ukraine enough that they give up something in a peace deal. USA thinks Russia takes over Kyiv in a week, wins the war in several weeks, loses Ukraine in a decade or two.

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<< Comment #775 @ 17:51 CST, 2 March 2022 >>

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Smuggler - Reply to #766

Hi

Russians in Russia need more freeing (not that it's feasible to do it and anyone is going to) than Russians in Ukraine. That is an undeniable fact if you look at what is going on in the two countries politically. The idea that fascism in Ukraine actually has anything to do with this, even as you previously present it as a vital strategic interest, just shows how deeply you've swallowed Russian propaganda. Ukraine was headed, slowly, towards a democratic and freer path, and Russia, because it has nothing other than energy and military might and cannot offer much to Ukrainians, is trying to prevent it by bombing cities.

Why does anyone 'need' freeing? Freedom from, or for, what exactly? Ukrainians lived under a corrupt client state of the US that was installed following the Maidan Revolution (see https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 for example). Rule by Russia, which has ruled the Ukraine for the past 400 years, instead of the completely alien State Dept., would be a bit closer to sovereignty and democracy, don't you think? The US has behaved this way all over the world since WWII and it is well publicized and documented. They perform 'color revolutions' in which they fund and manipulate opposition in foreign countries, and install corrupt, weak regimes that inflict violence upon the natives. Afghanistan and South Vietnam are just two shocking examples of this. If you think about it deeply, you'll find that freedom doesn't mean having ostensible rule by the people (as if people have the knowledge and capacity to govern except in the most advanced societies), occupation by big corporations, banks and fast food companies, and sexual revolution. Perhaps they have freedom for a moment but they are near instantaneously enslaved by corporate oligarchs and the US State Dept and the CIA. Freedom means the ability to live a good life, not the ability to do whatever you like according to your impulses. The US promotes the latter. Russia promotes something close to the former.

The idea that fascism in Ukraine actually has anything to do with this, even as you previously present it as a vital strategic interest, just shows how deeply you've swallowed Russian propaganda. Ukraine was headed, slowly, towards a democratic and freer path, and Russia, because it has nothing other than energy and military might and cannot offer much to Ukrainians, is trying to prevent it by bombing cities.

I don't think that Ukraine is actually fascist or Nazi, however the fact that the US and its assets & shills allow the Azov Battalion to even exist is a brazen contradiction of the 'our democracy' and 'our values' doctrine. I don't love Russia and I'm not Russian. However, I look at this situation objectively using a moral framework grounded in what is right and wrong, and good and evil. I don't employ pre-conceived, morally ambiguous ideological concepts such as 'far right', 'fascism', 'democracy' and 'imperialism' and project them onto the real world. History shows that since WWII the US has been a paragon of violence and social decay. It has the Midas' touch but in reverse. The Ukrainian crisis is the latest episode in this saga.

Peace dude

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son1dow - Reply to #775

I don't employ pre-conceived, morally ambiguous ideological concepts such as 'far right', 'fascism', 'democracy' and 'imperialism' and project them onto the real world.

Right, thank you for being outright about this: fascism, nazis and Azov Batallions are a problem, CIA backed warmongering are problems when they excuse invading Ukraine, but then the far right or or imperialism and other terms like this isn't relevant when Putin openly talks like an imperialist, invades countries, bombs cities, crushes opposition in his country, shuts anyone trying to cover what is happening, demolishes civil rights in his country and runs russians' futures down the drain... And then it becomes a problem again when US fucks up other countries, and of course it's them at fault when Russia is bombing civilians.

A further look at your post and it becomes obvious you're far right yourself, much like most of Putin's support, so no wonder you think they're promoting something good, the only problem you have with it is when the far right in other countries doesn't worship the right dictator.

A problem here is not just that you have those values, it's that you're bought into Russian propaganda such that the good living that Russia promotes just isn't there and you can't even see it. Oligarchs around Putin have robbed the country of developing an economy that isn't just energy, and the growth it's had has been minimal compared to what a country with these kinds of resources should have. The sanctions are wiping out much of it, and again you are thinking the reverse with the west despite extremely clear indications because your sources have no basis in reality.

Fact is, Ukraine (prior to Russia invading it anyway) had things Russia couldn't dream of, such as actual elections. If you didn't whatabout about USA doing horrible things elsewhere, you might be able to see it, but then again I'm not arguing with an actual position here. You're just far right and you like far right leadership, and the bad things you're able to point out in the west are basically things you like and are explicitly fine with or even want, it's just that they're contradictions. Because looking at the reality of how EU, USA live, and what they offered to Ukraine being objectively much better--unless of course you're far right and you think basic freedoms are evil--that's just not tenable for your position.

It's a clusterfuck of irrelevant anti-US rhetoric and pointing at contradictions you got there instead of looking at what is actually happening and who is making it happen. I'd advise hiding your far-right, authoritarian leanings leanings next time, because it comes off real weak when you pretend to have a problem with nazis to excuse an invasion and then it turns out the only problem is the nazis are not Putin supporters. And the western coalitions (shocker) have contradictions which you basically like, but still use for whataboutism without any relevance for Ukraine.

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puritan ' - Reply to #777

you're far right yourself, much like most of Putin's support

make yourself familiar with the terms you want to use before engaging in an actual discussion

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son1dow - Reply to #778

you're far right yourself, much like most of Putin's support

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pacmanpl - Reply to #777

So many words to say "Everyone who doesn't suck USrael propaganda dry is Hitler".
The Perfect Goy.
I kneel.

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son1dow - Reply to #779

you're far right yourself, much like most of Putin's support

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pacmanpl - Reply to #783

I'm not into enabling mental illness. Let's end this war.
Get well soon.
xoxo <3

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #792

I mean people talk about NATO and CIA and George Bush conspiracy and Nazis and neo-Nazis and THAT'S ALL FINE AND DANDY - have that talk, open the dialogue, find solutions but please for the love of god - you cannot believe that Russia's current actions are solving any of these problems - real or not.

I cannot see how destroying a city helps you get rid of Nazis.

It's like going to a restaurant and finding a fly in your soup. Yeah that's a problem, but nuking the restaurant isn't rational solution.

Just like bombing residential areas - WHILE potentially ending some neo-Nazi lives - is not something people should be supporting - no matter what side are you on.

I will be the first to admit that I do not know enough about the RU/UA conflict and the US involvement in it, at least not enough to make educated expert opinion like some fags in here. But I think I understand enough to know that what's currently happening is wrong.

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pacmanpl - Reply to #794

I mean people talk about NATO and CIA and George Bush conspiracy

It's not a conspiracy, it's history.
US are putting their circumcised dicks as far as they can, waving their hands in the air saying "My hands are here, tehee!".

you cannot believe that Russia's current actions are solving any of these problems - real or not.

No one is saying that.
Not sure if anyone besides Putin, few other Big Boys and maybe some oligarchs know what's up.
Obviously denazification 'n shit has nothing to do with anything (but it's true that there's quite a bit of Bandera lovers over there).

Yeah that's a problem, but nuking the restaurant isn't rational solution.

No one is nuking anything. Obviously Putin didn't carpet bomb anything and it's not because he can't. With every civilian death Putin is losing. Zelensky handing out weapons to civilians is baiting for the Putin-is-a-murderer points.

Just like bombing residential areas - WHILE potentially ending some neo-Nazi lives

Not sure if it happened. I'm not saying it didn't.
I just hope Ghost of Kiev will save them all #onelikeoneprayer

But I think I understand enough to know that what's currently happening is wrong.

It is wrong, bad AND sad.
The fuzz is about the blind, onedimensional hatred for "The Bad Guy" and puting yourself on the moral highground supporting "The Good Guy" and kicking anyone who isn't there with them to "Far right concentration camp".

There is no good guy.
US of A are murderous sickos with military grade PR.
The Great Satan :)

So fuck Putin.
Fuck CIA and other glowing life forms.
Fuck John Cena and his commie empire.
Everlasting respect to the kind moderators of this amazing forum.
Oldschool Runescape is the best MMO ever created.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #799

It's not a conspiracy, it's history.

I was just throwing a few buzzwords there to emphasize that currently it's IRRELEVANT if it's history, conspiracy, fact or fiction. Shelling and killing needs to STOP. Not "soon" but now.

No one is nuking anything

That was an anecdote - the soup and fly are also fictional before you start replying about the state of flies in UA. I was trying to say that the actions taken by Putin are misguided and excessive. You don't need to plow over cities with tanks if you're hunting nazies. The people you will kill in the process have nothing to do with it, most of them are probably against nazis themselves. You are killing innocents, random bystanders, some bloke who woke up and just wanted to buy groceries and play elden ring when he gets home. Instead he got torn apart by bombs because SOMEONE in Russia thinks SOME UA citizens are nazies. It's fucked up, clearly you can agree with that?

Not sure if it happened. I'm not saying it didn't.

The fuck do you mean NOT SURE it happened? Am I being trolled hard right now? I know there are huge intelligence agencies that push their narrative on both sides. Not even on both sides, every country has an intelligence agency. To question WHY this atrocities happen is kinda understandable, but to deny the existance of it is completely insane.

There is no good guy.
US of A are murderous sickos with military grade PR.
The Great Satan :)

Agreed, I think US should be sanctioned just as well since they are currently bombing other countries and funding wars by proxy.
It might be that the US is just as bad or even worse (I'd wager it's the later), however it doesn't justify Russia's actions.

The fuzz is about the blind, onedimensional hatred for "The Bad Guy" and puting yourself on the moral highground supporting "The Good Guy" and kicking anyone who isn't there with them to "Far right concentration camp".

Agreed - UA is not without its sins - UA is not some holy grail of freedom and prosperity. Le reddit is going wild about Zelenskyy, picturing him as a marvel superhero and it's ridiculous. He's a Politian, not your friendly neighbor with high moral values.

So fuck Putin.
Fuck CIA and other glowing life forms.
Fuck John Cena and his commie empire.
Everlasting respect to the kind moderators of this amazing forum.
Oldschool Runescape is the best MMO ever created.

Cheers bro 8)
Just try to keep it "clean", I know this thread is a cesspool of racism and borderline nuke-worthy comments but let's keep it civil.

Edited by Teen Queen at 12:31 CST, 4 March 2022

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pacmanpl - Reply to #801

it's IRRELEVANT if it's history, conspiracy, fact or fiction

For normal people living in Ukraine? Absolutely.
For nolifes arguing on dead gaming forums? Oh boy!

Shelling and killing needs to STOP. Not "soon" but now.

That might be connected to the history part.
As in it's either NATO getting the fuck out from Ukraine and roll time back to pre-2014 Maidan or starting a good ol war.
Maybe replacing Putin with some chill dude?

You don't need to plow over cities with tanks if you're hunting nazies.

No one cares about some nazis... or Ukrainians.
Who knows what's the goal. Is there even an end game?
I can imagine how fucked up it is to one day wait for Elden Ring and next day getting stuck between ebil nazis and heroic liberators dropping bombs.
But again, it's clear the goal isn't to kill as many Ukrainians as possible.

The fuck do you mean NOT SURE it happened?

What I mean is there's a lot of "news" showing a bomb dropping on a parking lot as a proof of genocide. Apparently someone tried to sell Arma 3 clip as war footage.
Every info is not a happening until it realy happened.

however it doesn't justify Russia's actions.

Yeah, there's no justification for being an antichrist. Even when you put yourself into role of anti-antichrist ;)

Le reddit is going wild about Zelenskyy, picturing him as a marvel superhero and it's ridiculous.

Even more ridiculous is morbidly obese l*dditors asking if they can join FREEDOM ARMY :`)
Every reason to lose weight is a good one though <3

Cheers bro 8)
Just try to keep it "clean", I know this thread is a cesspool of racism and borderline nuke-worthy comments but let's keep it civil.

No fun allowed? Okay ;-)
Have a good weekend <3
I'm going back to waiting for an Ukrainian waifu : 3 :

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cx ' - Reply to #804

I agree western media is exagerating ... it's bad what is happening there, but if you compare that to iraq it's not the same, there are 460.000 dead in Iraq, and U.S. carpet bombed the cities and destroyed whole towns ... until now you just see some destroyed buildings here and there ... of course this is all terrible, but I would agree so far, this is not yet a war of destruction, while it is of course warfare ... Russia Today is banned now in the media, I don't think they are that bad ... also in normal t.v. news channel they talk with some ukrainian ambassador that is not so truthful, he thinks just because his country is a victim, he is allowed to spread lies ... I have not yet seen the russian ambassador on the t.v. channel ... I would like to see objectivity, but they don't want to give me any, shouldn't this make me suspicious?

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pacmanpl - Reply to #805

Someone on some tv channel said something about no-fly zones that when people in front of TVs will see Ukrainians that are "civilised and look like us" (unlike these ugly sandnegros that we genocide for fun teehee) they will decide we need to start war with Russia and spread FREEDOM™ with bombs <3
They would love to gas some village just to go to war.
I respect that kind of dedication!

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son1dow - Reply to #792

I'm very sure the sort of signalling of antisemitism you're doing all over is a very good predictor of poor mental health. Rather embarrassing to project.

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cx ' - Reply to #777

The US is basically just the lesser evil compared to russia ... u r still a vasall and US will keep you small ... you are also less free in a democracy nowadays ... I have a feeling geostrategic organizations have just too much knowledge available on how to manipulate public opinion via various means that you are basically imprisoned not through physical force, but through brain washing ... and there is not really a choice you can make to leave U.S. influence, because of all the brainwashing you are instantly marked as bad and you get removed ... :-)

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son1dow - Reply to #787

I agree that these aspects are in play, but as long as we don't want to leave their sphere of influence, and leaving results in us being taken over so is extremely stupid, we get a say in just about everything. Propaganda is a problem everywhere, but it's not wholly insurmountable, and I'm not necessarily worried about propaganda from the same angle.

The alternative, in any case, is being taken over by Russia, and they'd demolish any freedom we have and leave us crippled economically too. Easy call.

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cx ' - Reply to #789

What does freedom mean?
In 2015 Germany got flooded with millions of culturally incompatible, illegal, immigrants and you are not allowed to say a thing about that (thank you US, Britain and France btw for your Arab spring bombings) ... and to some degree I have feeling also the morality in the country got destroyed, people begin to understand the state somehow just a nuisance that they have to trick, instead of something to contribute to ... and I have a feeling in longterm this will lead to massive corruption ... there already a lot of signs the country got more corrupt than it used to be ... you can now choose to be female gender as male and win female compeititions, that's the sort of freedom we have here .. while country and its morality is getting destroyed from elites with illegal immigration from within etc. ...
I was once in russia, life seemed normal, you can be an artist there, you can be a sportsman there, you can work there, what is this fucking freedom?

Edited by cx at 16:39 CST, 4 March 2022

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son1dow - Reply to #806

Freedom of expression, identity, language, religion, privacy, press, freedom to choose your representatives in government. Academic independence, in particular for having history books that don't deny what happened to Jews in eastern europe, nor inconvenient minorities Russia suppressed. Which as you can imagine isn't adequate in Russia, else they wouldn't be cheering on taking over surrounding countries "defensively". Expression, press, democracy in particular just aren't on offer in Russia.

I'd also include positive freedoms too https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/
They're not absent in Russia, but our economic future is so much better in the EU.

I disagree with more than a few things you said, but we don't have to agree on them here. For example with immigrants, Germany is still a better place to live in terms of economics, safety etc. And if you care about morality and Arab spring bombings etc, you might want to be understanding of inviting them, but that's a side point.

I was once in russia, life seemed normal, you can be an artist there, you can be a sportsman there, you can work there, what is this fucking freedom?

As long as you don't question the regime, and you're not unlucky enough to get drafted to invade your friends or reported (even falsely) for not supporting the government. This has often been the case with brutal regimes. But this also means that whoever is getting hurt by the govt, you don't have a vote or a voice in changing that.

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cx ' - Reply to #819

I think russia has a lot of these freedoms, except for political freedom and political press, but that is more due to Putin, who basically suppressed political freedom step by step, I don't think things were that bad 10 years ago ... and maybe to lesser extent there is less economical freedom, but I don't really think so, I think it can also be an advantage to be in lower wage country, because you have lower costs to produce something, so there is also "positive" freedom there (thanks for the link btw), that might not be available in high cost country. And history, I think every country has its own ideology and is not really interested in getting more enlightenment on certain spots against that ideology ...
Of course, things are worse overall in russia .

But then there is the immigration part and the long outlook of a country, of course people want stability and peace, but this open borders policy will lead to nothing good and only "works" as long as it is "affordable", once there is economical crisis, things will really, really turn bad ... anyway, there are different things in life, each with different importance, and you have to weigh out ... imagine russia would be super wealthy, I guess a lot of people would not give a damn about that "reduced" freedom and live there

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fau - Reply to #830

It would be super wealthy if it only used it's extremely abundant natural resources (largest country in the world with only 140 mil people) for development and well being of its own citizens. Maybe lack of freedom has something to do with why this huge amount of money doesn't end in pockets of Russian citizens?

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cx ' - Reply to #831

Or there are not enough incentives to learn other things because abundant natural resources are basically good enough, actually a lot of resource rich countries face a similar problem ... also in germany there was a resource rich region for coal, it was great in 60-70s, now its not a goor region anymore, because it couldnt adapt, in the us there is detroit that was great in 60-70s with cars, but is now in ruins, because it couldnt adapt ...
concerning freedom and economical prowess you can also take a look at china ...
their social points system is also not a bad idea imho. ...
tbh. politics in the west is not freedom either ... it's better than autocracy, yes, but it is not freedom either, because the elites own the media and buy also politicians, politicians are often just common people, their income is good, but how come they can often afford things 5-10 times of what is normal for their normal wage ...
I am not saying I would prefer autocracy, but other things need to be considered as well, in some cases ...

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fau - Reply to #833

And a lot of other countries with abundant oil like USA, Norway, even UAE do not face such problems. So maybe the reason isn't free money but bad governance (also in examples you cited).

Edited by fau at 16:41 CST, 7 March 2022

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fau - Reply to #833

The problem with lack of freedom, ideas like social points government censorship etc. is that they can and inevitably will be used to consolidate and sustain people who already are in power. But eventually everyone will make mistakes and then there is no way to replace them - country goes down with them. Just look how Russian ppl are mostly against war and sanctions but they will go down together with Putin, they don't have a choice to back out. Single election and Putin's successor could say - Putin was wrong, I have better idea, let's move out of Ukraine and remove sanctions, just like American presidents do about their awful wars and other things. Belaruss - even worse situation since people actually massively fought for government change in 2019-2020 but couldn't win and now will pay for someone else's mistakes with no benefits to them.

Look at Gaddafi and other dictators, they were beloved by their people at first and truly fixed problems in their countries. Communist monoparty system has some redeeming qualities because there is politics within the party, but it's not as smooth as in more democratic systems and we've seen consequences. Democracy isn't the same as freedom, you can have quite facist democratic country. It's about how easy it is to replace people in power when they make mistakes, checks and balances.

I think personal freedoms often follow as consequence of democracy because in western culture this is what people want, but it's not granted. For example in my country personal and economical freedom is lower than in USA and people are mostly happy with it, but there is strong attachment to democracy and ability to remove elected officials - it's been part of political culture for centuries.

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cx ' - Reply to #836

I agree, dictators tend to stick too long on their seats, they get too old, senile, etc., and it's bad for the country, in that regard the chinese party system *was* better than the soviet system, but it seems the chinese leader has now become also a lifetime dictator ...
they should make sure noone sticks around longer than 10 years imho. ... replacement is also not so easy in democracies if there is no limit, unless a scandal happens, mediocre/weak presidents like Merkel still get to stick around for 16 years (and she could have sticked around longer if she wanted) ...
but democracy itself is also dependent on the morals of its people, just like in teams in business, you can have the best team organization framework, but if you have shitty people in the team it is not of much use either ... I am not sure if democracy is bigger in USA, they have only 2 parties, and had clans like bush, clinton, kennedy, etc., also there are a lot of different ethnicities there now, before it was mainly a "mix" of western european christian people and worked all well, now that other ethnicities have bigger percentages, things seem to go down the drain, people seem to identify more with their ethnical groups than the population of the country, see black live matters, and these movements will only grow bigger imho and with that comes increased quotas/affirmative action instead of a culture based on merit, which will just lead to worse performance and creates anger in the society

Edited by cx at 01:41 CST, 10 March 2022

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xero- ' - Reply to #775

I don't employ pre-conceived, morally ambiguous ideological concepts such as 'far right', 'fascism', 'democracy' and 'imperialism' and project them onto the real world.

Lmao.

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Smuggler - Reply to #781

I get why you think that's funny. I would have qualified that statement had I bothered to proof read. The point is that these terms do less to describe than to attack the person(s) they are directed at.

<< Comment #784 @ 14:52 CST, 3 March 2022 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #775

I wanted to reply to this sentence but forgot

Rule by Russia, which has ruled the Ukraine for the past 400 years

hasn't

instead of the completely alien State Dept., would be a bit closer to sovereignty and democracy, don't you think?

no, it wouldn't. Neither would be if it worked like that, but you're jumping at slim opportunities to decry a NATO/EU-aligned arrangement rather than think through this. The evidence of a crushing dictatorship in Russia is absolute, whereas what you got here is a juicy line to drop to 'own libcucks', not proof of a regime that's properly controlled by USA. Meanwhile, Ukrainians are extremely clear on what they want, and what you're excusing is what they want the least.

<< Comment #812 @ 06:50 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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Smuggler - Reply to #784

Yeah, they have ruled Ukraine for the past 400 years. Go read about the Khmelnytsky insurrection and the Russo-Polish War. You're literally from the Baltic region and I have remind you of this?

Vladimir Putin is a Bismarckian statesman, not a dictator. He stole the Russian Federation out from the jaws of oligarchic capitalist vultures, and raised it to the status of a world power with a serious economy and a respected military. He fought off the Chechens and gained their respect and that of the Russian people, while contending with Western attempts at color revolution in his own country. I'm not exactly clutching at straws here - the onus is on you to show how this is a 'crushing dictatorship'. You don't have to like him; just respect the achievements for what they are instead of pretending like he is Stalin reprised. US politicians are literally calling for his assassination.

I'm not owning the libs, as easy and amusing as that is. This is about empathy and the truth. The US truly is an empire of lies that you have been tragically inculcated in to the point of sheer blindness. This is what happens to a people that is godless and unrepentant. They can no longer see the truth.

For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

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son1dow - Reply to #812

Yeah, they have ruled Ukraine for the past 400 years.

Those "they" are factions at various points opposed to one another, even at war with one another, and one doesn't even need to know the history, just look at a map of Ukraine in the last 400 years to see it's not as you say.

He stole the Russian Federation out from the jaws of oligarchic capitalist vultures

You can paint them as evil, and I'd criticize them as well, but just letting his friends become oligarchs going hog wild on the resources of the state isn't any kind of saving

and raised it to the status of a world power with a serious economy

Russia has so many people and such natural resources that what has been happening (prior to the sanctions) is very moderate, hardly impressive. Several European countries are richer than Russia despite having smaller populations, and they have economies that are much more varied and resilient to changing times, not being essentially on trick ponies which is what Russia is. Other than energy, Russia just isn't doing well, and that's a massive failure due to the corruption and selfish opulence of the regime that isn't really looking to give common Russians a chance.

just respect the achievements for what they are instead of pretending like he is Stalin reprised.

The guy whose popularity is rising throughout Putin's regime? He isn't Stalin, but that might be because he can't be, I don't know. Fact is, he's rehabilitating him.

I'm not exactly clutching at straws here - the onus is on you to show how this is a 'crushing dictatorship'

What choice do Russians have in choosing who is their president? What happens to the opposition and businesses who criticize the govt? What knowledge do Russians they have about the opposition? What's it like in terms of freedom of the press, free speech? What has been happening to people protesting or publicizing information in terms of this war? What happened with western social media in Russia during this war? Anyone even half following this can see Russia is extremely authoritarian. There's no answers to these questions you can spin to say otherwise.

I'd go into human rights, but I guess you prefer those shut down yourself anyway.

Russians are being told absurd lies about the war, essentially denying what is happening. It's not comparable to lies about the motivation of the war (which were no less absurd in this case either). Worse, western media does have significant sections exposing the lies of our own governments. This doesn't exist in Russia to any comparable degree. Just look what is happening to the press trying to expose what is happening in Ukraine.

You can whine about American propaganda if you want, but there's no comparison with the censorship and control Putin has over the political system and flow of information, and nothing I have said is western lies.

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<< Comment #753 @ 16:03 CST, 28 February 2022 >>

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erok - Reply to #750

The central banks need a reason to continue to infinitely borrow from the future to keep the debt based economics rolling. This new crisis provides just that excuse and will give them another 5 years before they need to invent some other crisis.

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cx ' - Reply to #750

now that I read a bit more into that topic, I don't think the NATO expansion is the culprit, it's more a pretext to execute their war which they actually execute for territorial / ethnical reasons (ukraine/ukranian people being part of russia/soviet union for long time) ... estonia and latvia are in same distance as ukraine, and they belong to NATO already since 2004, doesn't make a difference in that regard if ukraine is added or not to NATO, in terms of being a threat ... basically in 2013 ukraine people decided they want to belong to western EU instead of soviet block, and russia doesn't want to lose their eastern bloc / eastern union, and probably american influence is also partly responsible for that ... the question is more why did they not start their real war in 2014, maybe they prepared their reserves/autarchy until now ... but yeah nord stream plays into the hands of the americans ... anyway, western states now all sending their weapons into ukraine and proclaiming that as a real help and telliing stories ukraine will withstand that are ridiculous to me and will lead to nothing ... once the russian really start the real use of their military, ukrainian people can't do nothing ... it all depends on how far russia wants to go

<< Comment #758 @ 03:48 CST, 1 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #746

Not sure if it will realy answer your question about endgame, but most likely will give you better undestanding about russian possition
https://youtu.be/5Px7zXkjHEI

<< Comment #762 @ 13:28 CST, 1 March 2022 >>

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cx ' - Reply to #758

link is not working

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stpbozin - Reply to #762

Professor John J. Mearsheimer
https://youtu.be/Nbj1AR_aAcE

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cx ' - Reply to #776

he is talking more about muricans though ...
basically only talks about "NATO expansion", which itself (placement of nato troops, and warheads nearer to russia) is not the direct reason imho., it is more the cultural change and leaning to the west and rejection of soviet values ... and with that loss of common history and loss of an ally ...

<< Comment #757 @ 03:48 CST, 1 March 2022 >>

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Smuggler

Thinking of travelling to the Ukraine to join the Azov Battalion, become a neo-Nazi, and kill some dirty katsaps. Thoughts?

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son1dow - Reply to #757

Sounds more likely you'll look for ways to join the nazis going to de-nazify Ukraine.

<< Comment #763 @ 23:38 CST, 1 March 2022 >>

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Smuggler - Reply to #760

That's...impressive. I guess sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire. But the Russians don't have a whole battalion of them now, do they?

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son1dow - Reply to #763

I guess sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.

No the hell you don't. And if you worry about nazis, this is exactly where you start.

But the Russians don't have a whole battalion of them now, do they?

They have Putin giving fascist and imperialist speeches pronouncing his inalienable rights to Ukraine based on a mythical past. They have a populace they're completely clamping down on. If you've read something about fascism, this should sound familiar.

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cx ' - Reply to #757

Modern war is not so cool imho. as common soldier ... and as untrained soldier nothing good will come out of that imho., everything needs time to be learned ... you'll most likely end up as canon fodder ... and foreign soldiers are probably a little bit more expendable

Edited by cx at 15:26 CST, 3 March 2022

<< Comment #767 @ 07:23 CST, 2 March 2022 >>

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xemptus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyop0d30UqQ

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<< Comment #774 @ 17:44 CST, 2 March 2022 >>

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cx '

Interesting article:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3390...Coup_Detat

and mentioned source of the article:
http://global-politics.eu/euromaidan-anatomy-...oup-detat/

<< Comment #834 @ 16:27 CST, 7 March 2022 >>

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cx ' - Reply to #774

good film basically saying the same ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs

<< Comment #791 @ 19:10 CST, 3 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin

Ukraine Neo-Nazis Infiltrate EVERY LEVEL Of Military & Government
https://youtu.be/KfaAyiP8Wuc

<< Comment #793 @ 00:29 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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Aquashark

it's clear now that peace in Europe will always be threatened by Russian state in its current form: a regional autocratic power lashing out that its sphere of influence is ever shrinking. which is only a delayed reflection of its cultural and economic downfall.

Russian state cannot be trusted further and after their eventual implosion from economic isolation, needs to be dismantled into constituent republics that might reinvent themselves into something of value.

it's a bit unclear if Europe/NATO will even wait them out at this point, considering incompetent Russian army is taking this war to nuclear power plants.

<< Comment #796 @ 06:05 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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c1

A by product of this war is russophobia. Everything related to russia is going to be banned in germany. Even the vodka....
Russians have become the new jews

USA will suffer for all this after the war. Dont take it personal US boys. We are not angry about you but your goverment.

Edited by c1 at 06:09 CST, 4 March 2022

<< Comment #797 @ 06:24 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #796

Russian Empire/Soviet Union/Russian Federation invades, annexes, dismantles or destroys every single neighboring country throughout its history until present day.

how are you the victim here? get your head checked.

also it's not about the everyday person here, nobody has anything with your individual everyday Russian.. just your leadership that leads you into expansion and war.

Edited by Aquashark at 06:28 CST, 4 March 2022

<< Comment #798 @ 06:31 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #797

Dude, get some empathy.
Burgers are people too.

<< Comment #800 @ 11:06 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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c1 - Reply to #797

I just dont get it. Russian sportsmen banned here and there just because they are russia. No relation to war or whats so ever. Just because they are russia

Im not a victim but I dont wanna see any discrimination to any religion/country or what ever.

Btw I dont understand Putin either but I dont think he is stupid.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #800

I just dont get it. Russian sportsmen banned here and there just because they are russia. No relation to war or whats so ever. Just because they are russia

I just dont get it. Ukranian citizens KILLED here and there just because some are (presumably)nazis. No relation to war or whats so ever. Just because they are Ukranian.

Yeah funny how that works

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<< Comment #803 @ 12:54 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #800

this is what bothers you about this war?

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<< Comment #809 @ 01:26 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #800

Why are your citizens invading other country destroying people homes, lives, raping and killing innocent Ukrainians in their own free independent country? Why are your citizens who are not invading at the moment supporting this movement? Why are you not standing against the wild evil forces governing your country?

I literally hope the western civilization will take everything from all Russians so either they will wake up AND wake others up or cover in darkness without access to anything from the west that they hate so much.

For over 20 years, you were not disturbed by a leader with dictatorial inclinations. It was fun to dream about great tsarism and enjoy the benefits of the west at the same time - hopefully it's all gone for you.

Edited by Ffleri at 01:33 CST, 5 March 2022

<< Comment #807 @ 18:01 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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melechesh '

someone who actually knows his shit

<< Comment #808 @ 20:06 CST, 4 March 2022 >>

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xemptus

white man bad

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<< Comment #813 @ 07:04 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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Anonymous (45.87.212.180)

Any war is really a terrible thing, and I was very glad to know that it would finally end, even though only 7 days had passed. I really ask all the people who care to help my country. The National Bank of Ukraine has opened a special account to raise funds for the needs of the Ukrainian army in its fight against Russian-backed separatists https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi This will really make it possible to stop this senseless war and we very much hope for international support from different countries and their citizens.

<< Comment #815 @ 09:17 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #813

You wrote too many words, donate for war that's the slogan for your link.

Ukraina which for many years where pushing anti-russian policy. Ukraina that celebrate Stepan Bandera birthday, that forbid russian language, that removing monuments that connected to russia and making new monumets that prise Bandera and other nazi supporters. More then 12k "separatists" were killed in Donbas region by Ukraininan nazi battalion in past 8 years.

You guys have to start googling what is azov battalion, who is Stepan Bandera. There is so many articles written about this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t...battalion/
https://www.militaryimages.net/threads/azov-nazis-or-not.7158/
https://world.korupciya.com/2015/06/12/us-con...-neo-nazi/
Ukrainian Soldiers Seen Wearing Helmets With Nazi Swastika and SS Symbols
https://www.haaretz.com/ukrainian-soldiers-se...-1.5263903

Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat
https://www.haaretz.com/ukrainian-soldiers-se...-1.5263903

Why Are Swastikas Hot In West Ukraine?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-are-swastik...st-ukraine

Ukraine's Hyper-Nationalist Military Summer Camp for Kids | NBC Left Field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpV16BQfbrQ

<< Comment #816 @ 09:34 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #815

what about him

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1498248431088939008

not taking a stance here, just asking questions

<< Comment #817 @ 13:41 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #815

that forbid russian language

false

More then 12k "separatists" were killed in Donbas region

false

You're not even trying. Just like that "genocide" that was happening in Ukraine, or those repeated false flags so obvious even teens could suss them out before the war that separatists leaders were posting on their telegrams, you might wanna do at least some basic fact checking for your stuff.

Russians live under a far-right authoritarian regime and are using some nazis in ukraine to go after (non-nazi) government and the entirety of the people. Just a horrible excuse for war. If anyone needed freeing from nazis, it'd be Russia, but then again nobody's trying, we just wish Russia wouldn't try to "free" us.

Edited by son1dow at 13:43 CST, 5 March 2022

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Trivialdoom - Reply to #817

said someone from Lithuania! lol

You are praising this crap over and over, please fuck off idiot.

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<< Comment #820 @ 14:09 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #818

go thirst for Putin's boot elsewhere yourself moron, Putin doesn't even need to try proving things for you to believe it, but that isn't convincing for others

<< Comment #821 @ 14:34 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #817

What happnes in Ukraina is already happeing to you. You already blame russians in evey sin. So soon you will be forced to go with a millitary attack on russia. But seems like with your already twisted mind you would be happy if this happened.
You know whats goin on in Latvia? have you ever heard about non-citizen status? It's ok in your oppinion?

NATO slowly making nationalism in a countries that is under control of it. And its also forcing anti-russian and anti-soviet propaganda.

<< Comment #822 @ 14:39 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #821

No engagement on pointing your factual inaccuracy, just typing more paranoid bullshit. Can't say I'm surprised.

By the way the professor you're linking all over should have asked to not post the video, as the read he has on Russia was proven to be incorrect in the most fundamental sense right around the time it was posted. See him explaining how Russia absolutely won't invade:
https://youtu.be/Nbj1AR_aAcE?t=1853
So not only you're making up NATO attacks, you're posting things predicting Russia won't attack when it has lol

Edited by son1dow at 14:40 CST, 5 March 2022

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stpbozin - Reply to #822

I am showing you a proofs that there is nazis in ukrain, this is reports made by many different reporters from different countrys and companys in different time.
You saying there is no nazi. Maybe you can show me a proof that there is no nazi in ukraina? Or your words of 17yo weight more then dozens of independend media reporters?
You probably just a child and troll who think that when ww3 will start he will be sitting in a chair and post funny comments everywhere. You're wrong. When i am talking to people like you, i am not expecting you would undestand something, change your mind. I am hoping that someone else, who have a brain, would see my post and gether information that will lead him to another portion of information, and another information untill he gets clear understanding about how europian world is fuckedup.

Definition of invasion
1 : an act of invading especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder. 2 : the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful.

So, Russian military operation is not invasion, Russian not trying to conquest or plunder Ukraina. This is act of demilitarization and denazificaion. There is plenty of proofs that Ukrainian Neo-Nazis Infiltrate EVERY LEVEL Of Military & Government.
You can only argue about "spread of something usually hurtful", becuase destruction of nazis is hurtful for nazis.

You seems like a bad listener and a reader. But anyway i will try to explain.
First of all Professor John J. Mearsheimer does talk about circumstances when Russia would invade Ukraine. So, at the beggining he is telling you that Russia did not have any intension of invide Ukraina. That means there is no reason for Russia to have Ukraina as it own. And then he saying that there is might be circumstances under wich that would be nessesery. For example if Ukraina start attacking Donbas region. And certain scenario when he might come in.
And after that he is trying to explain how hard it would be for Russia if they invide Ukraina.

And there is the problem. You don't want to listen, you don't want to understand. You only want to get this simplified popular opinion that getting forced on you. "Russia is just mad fucking mess just wanna kill everyone". And in your abstract understanding of the world, with your narrowed mind it's fits, it's prefectly fits.
You think that Russians is branwashed, but it's you who is brainwashed. Because in fact sicne april 2014 Donbass region were reciving attacks from Ukraina and keep reciving. But you watching funny ticktok videos you don't know and even doesn't care about Donbass. Maybe your local media show something maybe not. You don't even know i bet you not watching tv news, i am right?

<< Comment #825 @ 07:12 CST, 6 March 2022 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #824

CBA replying to the entire wall of text now but

"So, Russian military operation is not invasion, Russian not trying to conquest or plunder Ukraina. This is act of demilitarization and denazificaion."

If you truly believe that whatever is happening in Ukraine right now - regardless of the reason why it's happening - is not an invastion but just a "military operation" you are either 1) delusional, brainwashed, retarded or 2) trolling.

<< Comment #826 @ 07:15 CST, 6 March 2022 >>

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Rav3n - Reply to #824

https://twitter.com/GermanEmbassySA/status/1500032894261211138

<< Comment #828 @ 13:24 CST, 6 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #826

10 days of slaughtering children:
From top of Google:
331 killed (71 men, 40 women, 7 boys, and 3 girls, as well as 9 children and 201 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
LMAO.

<< Comment #827 @ 10:16 CST, 6 March 2022 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #824

I'm not 17. The things I pointed out as factually wrong are factually wrong, and you failed to back them up.

That nazis exist in Ukraine is not in dispute, and I never did. Rich telling me I read poorly. However, the government isn't nazis, and otherwise nazis exist in many places in the world, including Russia, including people Putin sent to kill Zelensky, or people he basically parrots when he excuses his invasion. Putin's speech is extremely similar to what a neo-nazi influential in Russia, Dugin, says about Ukraine. It contains many of the same fascist elements. So if you believe Putin is worried about nazism here, I've got a bridge to sell you.

On the invasion thing, you're just repeating Putin's propaganda that not even the most daring Putin apologists repeat in the west because we're seeing an entire country being shelled, massive amounts of civilians joining in the defense. Ukrainians are extremely unified now, so if we pretend that Putin can achieve aims in the country without taking control of it, hell that he doesn't want control of it when he just recognized two parts of the country as supposedly legitimate countries, that's exceptionally stupid.

Or your words of 17yo weight more then dozens of independend media reporters?

Most of the entire world, independent media all over and all, is saying there is an invasion and a war. Putin banning those words doesn't change it. Will you say it isn't a war too?

re Mearsheimer, you're saying he increased shelling as noted by the independent org (that separatists will fight against) was Ukraine's fault. As in, Ukraine was pressing the issue with Russia's army over 100k in size at its borders. All the while the separatists, who are completely controlled by Putin, were releasing daily false flags without even fixing the timestamps just to get Russia to invade. It is extremely clear who wanted war here, and it fucking wasn't Ukraine. Man what a stupid motherfucker you are to think this is anything but Russia's explicit wish.

"Russia is just mad fucking mess just wanna kill everyone".

But you watching funny ticktok videos

What the fuck are you talking about. Fucking seriously, where is this bullshit from? Did you reply to the wrong person?

<< Comment #829 @ 15:08 CST, 6 March 2022 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #824

Are you aware that the term nazi is a commonly used term among communists to tarnish and dehumanize opposition to a widely known, revered benchmark 20th century figure in order to get away with anything?

Look at dem nazis

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<< Comment #832 @ 08:24 CST, 7 March 2022 >>

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aiken - Reply to #824

Man you must realize that your country needs control of the Donieck and Lugansk regions because there is a pretty large oil source underneath? Another one is under the sea west from Crimea. That's why your army is trying to capture the land east and south of Ukraine. The easiest way was to replace president to his own puppet.

The stage for this "operation" was set in 2014 and was needed because Ukraine become democratic and controlling it using soft power wasn't possible anymore. There are no separatists, the voting was rigged even though maybe more than 50% are pro-Russian on Crimea. Taking Crimea and Donbass was also a military operation, don't think about it as separatists rebelia. Separatist doesn't have Grad missiles and other military stuff.

Everything related to "nazi" term is just to make justification of invasion. One hole in the wall of kindergarten was a reason to rush 150k army to assault another country and kill thousends of people. Look at the footage of Ukrainin cities right know. There are houses and whole apartment building taken to the ground by Russian army artilery. That's not how you should "liberate" people.

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<< Comment #841 @ 05:45 CDT, 20 March 2022 >>

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nex1 ' - Reply to #832

Sure, because of all the things Russia needs is oil, right?

When they already struggle to sell the immense reserves they have, and they have lots more untapped underground.

Meanwhile, who's starved for oil and gas, and desperately trying to get it from any source possible? That's right, the NATO countries in the EU.

2 centuries later, still trying to pillage their way to east.

<< Comment #823 @ 15:11 CST, 5 March 2022 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #821

What's your take on all the (actual) Nazis in RU? Why do you have to invade other countries and "defeat the Nazis" but seem to ignore the ones that are on your land?

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slm

Guys, don't reflect and stop ctiticize _ru. Very soon all neo-nazis from ua will be wiped out. The goverment laws again will be observed (no shelling civilians in Donetsk, no burned alive ppl in Odessa, no nazi marches with torches in Kiev) and there will be piece. Its like mother returned from the mall and her child broke everything around in the house,so he must be punished and learned to behave properly.

Edited by slm at 16:14 CDT, 18 March 2022

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Aquashark - Reply to #838

the real naZis

bonus: Rogozin showing his true colors
Dmitry Utkin (para military Wagner founder).. also in photo decorated with medals by Vladimir Vladimirovich himself.

in conclusion: naZis shouting "nazi", hypocrisy at its finest!

Edited by Aquashark at 13:46 CDT, 19 March 2022

<< Comment #845 @ 02:45 CDT, 21 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #839

Yea cool, all your proofs is a couple of very old videos and photos.
Lot of participants of this co-called russian march got arrested and organizers end up in a prison, got 6-8 years. I've seen this type of "proofs". There is something about Mannerheim memorial, that got removed same year. Yeah, google it, so you can send it here later saying look at this nazis have Mannerheim memorial in st petersburg. Sometimes it's happens due to corruption or/and lack of understanding. It's happens everywhere, but it's like small incidents forced by some underground freaks. You have mind of a child, so you divide everything on black and white, good and bad. But world is way more complicated than this. You can't just show one picture you found in internet and say that Russian oppinion is irrelevant because one guy from russia acted weird 20 years ago.

Better watch this videos about Ukraina.
Part I https://youtu.be/wMKFYrqucmU
Part II https://youtu.be/aqtXc0N99Go
Part III https://youtu.be/B_SeRVQ-VUw
Part IV https://youtu.be/WbkfQFC8Yq4

<< Comment #846 @ 03:03 CDT, 21 March 2022 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #845

It's happens everywhere, but it's like small incidents forced by some underground freaks.

Look, even if those claims are true - let's pretend for a second that Ukraine has a disproportionally large amount of nazis, how and why does this give Russia a free pass for obliterating an entire country?

Russia is without a doubt targeting civilian and residential areas, they are absolutely brutal and merciless. IF this is really only to get rid of the nazis they are doing it in a very, very wrong way.

I'm playing devil's advocate and pretending that what Kremlin says it's real - they are in a foreign country "liberating" innocent lives.

How exactly do you liberate someone by shooting at him?

Please stop posting youtube links and try to put together both of your neurons

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<< Comment #853 @ 15:56 CDT, 21 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #846

When i see all this videos of UA media and officials saying that they should castrate Russian soldiers, or they should start executing Russian childrens so they can't grow up and revenge. I really hope that they saying this because of the gun barrel pointed at their heads. Or at least they get paid huge chunk of money to say such things.

Who told you that Russia is targeting civilians? Guess it's your media. Your media is simply adding gasoline intro the fire, to make situation even more dramatic. Oh uh maybe that's why gas prices that high in your country and not because of Putin. If you wanna talk about propaganda. I can tell you what, all TV channels that Ukraina have is owned by Ukrainian oligarchs. There is no independent media, no opposition. But in Russia we had TV Rain for example. The opposition TV, not a youtube channel, whole TV channel. In 2010 government officially allowed existence of opposition channel on TV. And it got closed recently but temporarily, and only because they invited Ukrainian guy who start swearing and insulting all the Russians, Russian government and everything connected to Russia with all possible dirty words. And it's just not allowed on TV. Now tell me about your media, who own it for example?

If Russia were as brutal as you saying, this operation would be already over. It's doesn't take much time to bomb a country back intro a stone age, thats what americans usually doing. But Russia playing other game. Russia surrounding cities and forcing enemy to flee or surrender. As Scott Ritter says Russia fighting with one hand. And it's a big of a problem that enemy forces placing it's artillery between residential buildings, making bases out of hospitals. That how terrorists work, using people as human shield. And Russia is trying to deal with it with less possible civilians deaths. There is also huge information war, but Russia not participating in it, it's too low for Russia. All the facts and proofs would be given when it would be over with nazi regime.

There is obvious difference between small group of nazi teenagers that manadge to organize a march. And army of grown man, with guns and power. That push neo-nazi idiology inside it's country.
You know, streets are usualy named after something important for it's country. For example like Pushkin street, you know Russian poet, playwright, and novelist of the Romantic era. Or Gagarin street, Soviet pilot and cosmonaut who became the first human to journey into outer space. You can go on google maps and search for Bandera street in Lviv. Bandera is a leader and ideologist of Ukrainian ultranationalists known for his involvement in terrorist activities. You can clearly see who is nazi here. These who naming streets after poets and cosmonauts or who naming streets after nazi collaborationist.
So this is you who should put together both of neurons. If you were using my youtube links and do your own research you would understand that Russia simply removing aggressive russophobic nazi government that is placed right on it's borders. 8 years of attempts of diplomatic negotiation give no results, Ukraina were keep shelling Donbass and have plans to take back Crimea. So there is only one way left to stop this.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #853

"Who told you that Russia is targeting civilians?"

post dismissed. Told me what? do you have eyes you fucking mongoloid?

Check "intel slava Z" - RUSSIAN telegram from RUSSIAN soldiers posting videos how they attack residential buildings - AND boasting about it. Not "my media", not "western propaganda" - your fucking soldiers in another country mass murdering and committing war crimes.

If Russia were as brutal as you saying, this operation would be already over.

Then finish it? Why torture people AND send your own troops to the meat grinder? You have two plausible theories - EITHER russian army is in fucking shambles OR Putin is willingly sending inexperienced people to die. I'll let you decide what fits your narrative since both are equally bad.

That how terrorists work, using people as human shield

RUSSIAN SOLIDERS ARE IN UKRAINE - how is this hard to comprehend for you? Are you really that stupid?

How are Ukranians to blame if they are in their own country? Fuck off back to babushkaland and deal with your own nazi problems, stop invading you pathetic fucks.

There is obvious difference between small group of nazi teenagers that manadge to organize a march. And army of grown man, with guns and power. That push neo-nazi idiology inside it's country.

Ok but why not deal with nazi problems in your own country?
Why doesn't russia invade Mexico, they have Cartels. Cartels are bad. We need russia to LIBERATE Mexico.

Why doesn't russia attack other countries that have issues? Is Ukraine the only country that has nazis?

So there is only one way left to stop this.

YES there is - fuck off back to Russia - you keep forgetting the fact that EVEN if what you're saying is true - there's still russian brainless soldiers in ANOTHER contry defending itself.

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pacmanpl - Reply to #856

You need a break from news, lmao.

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stpbozin - Reply to #856

A lot of nonsense from you, as always.
I doubt that this "intel slava Z" is a Russian telegram channel. But anyway i did scroll this channel for a bit. Right now i have serious doubts that you have any cognitive abilities. Because content of this channel is opposite of what you saying.

You won't understand one simple thing. Russia is not invading Ukraine. Russia is protecting itself and Belarus including, from growing, extremistic, russophobic, nationalistic aggressive neighbor. And it's not about citizens of Ukraine. It's about government, that been mean to Russia all the way and recently even share their plans of developing nuclear weapons or even so-called dirty bombs.
You may say what is the problem, everyone is free to do whatever they like. Yea, you almost right. But if everyone start doing whatever they like, the world would change intro complete chaotic mess. That why we have rules, laws, pacts, agreements and stuff like that.
So, developing of nuclear weapons and especially dirty bombs, is just another, not the only one, but another one, on top of Minsk agreements and others, agreement that Ukraina is violating.
I know you will jump on that fact and start arguing. But please don't. Listen, it's never that easy, it's never only one thing. It will take more then an hour lecture to explain everything that happens between Russia and Ukraine and don't forget about murica.

Telling you once again Russia is not targeting civilians. But the problem is that Ukrainian army hiding inside citys. They using civilians as a meat shield. Placing artillery near residential buildings, using schools and hospitals as military bases and weapon warehouses. Normal army, army that want to protect it's citizens from evil invasion would stand outside of a city, somewhere on a borders and protecting this city from enemy invasion. There is a movie called "Panfilov's 28 men", 28 men with almost bare hands defending small village from invasion. You may not watch this movie, but you can skip thru scenes to see the environment. They are not fighing inside the village, they build fortification out side of it.
So, the fact that Ukrainian army is setting defence inside the city means that they don't want to defend this city. They only want it to be destroyed with maximum possible casualties death. And then they will do step back, deeper inside the country untill whole country would be lying in ruines.
But, since Russia know who they fighting with, they have special tactic. Russia surrounding city, cutting weapon supply flow, then doing reconnaissance, finding and destroying existing weapon supplys inside the city and then fighting this terrorists untill terrorists left no bullets. There is no other way to be more carefully toward civilians then this. So, anyone who understand whats going on, would tell you that you are extreme idiot if you saying that Russians is mass murdering civilians.

I don't know, your questions and fake claims is so ridiculous. Should i really answer why country like Mexico that is not bordering Russia, not russophobic, not shelling Donbass and so on is not bothers Russia?

Seems like 17yo in your profile is not a joke. You realy acting like a child.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #872

I doubt that this "intel slava Z" is a Russian telegram channel.

Russia is not invading Ukraine

Telling you once again Russia is not targeting civilians.

So you are just a troll. Good to know.

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<< Comment #875 @ 09:16 CDT, 24 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #873

If they targeted civilians there would be tens of thousands civilian deaths in the first day of invasion/war/special operation aka special tactics.

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Lacceh - Reply to #872

"Russia is not invading Ukraine."

ok, can you take a step back and acknowledge that you're literally detached from reality? are you completely insane?

"Russia is protecting itself and Belarus including, from growing, extremistic, russophobic, nationalistic aggressive neighbor."

absolutely nonsensical pretense. ukr was never going to become nato member. there was no direct, imminent threat to russia from ukr. russia is the aggressor here, which is obvious to any sane person, except you. almost every country has some extremists, and individuals with nationalistic ideology. that doesn't warrant invading a sovereign country.
why don't you actually listen to what putin himself says? he is not even hiding it. the 'de-nazification' is a shallow pretense and so is the alleged nato threat. putin has past grievances with ukr, feels that they had built ukr up, and that now ukr owes russia. he literally says all of these things himself openly, go and listen. so it's literally imperialistic ambitions. war is ultimately always about resources and power, just like the crimea annexation with a sham referendum.

"It's about government"

again, no direct, imminent threat. even so, doesn't warrant doing regime change in another sovereign country. it's a problem if US does regime change, but okay if russia does it?

"plans of developing nuclear weapons or even so-called dirty bombs"

again nonsense, russia has the most nuclear warheads in the world, even higher number than US. and russian officials have lately been reminding the rest of the world of this nuclear power, also making nuclear threats against poland etc. on national tv - again go and watch. completely psychopathic behaviour to do that. couldn't be more hypocritical.
so it's a problem when US republican old white males show such behaviour, but ok when russia does it?

"Telling you once again Russia is not targeting civilians. But the problem is that Ukrainian army hiding inside citys."

again, detached from reality.
what is there even to say to this - do you not understand how a siege works, how war goes down?
many cities already lie in ruins. why? because russia is the attacker, aggressor. again are you insane?
civilian deaths is just collateral damage to put it nicely. hundreds of ukr children dead. also on the other hand, thousands of russian soldiers dead - you can thank russian government for that.

that mexico example is completely pointless. and donbass is not part of russia.
talking to you is like talking to a wall - stay in your delusional bubble fantasy world where you keep denying reality.

State Russian TV show in prime time discusses possible nuclear strike on Europe, Russian invasion of Poland and Lithuania and corridor to Kaliningrad, threatens Germany and Baltic states:

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stpbozin - Reply to #874

Look kids, there is brief history for you. I am not the very best historian and will skip a lot of details, but overall it's about right.

So Ukraine always had plans to be part of european union. There is no information that europe had plans to make ukr part of it. Anyway. They had president who didn't sight some papers form eu and they got some action on Maidan. People in Kiev start protesting against something, but at the same time there was people that protested against these protests. So there was maidan and anti-maidan. There was bunch of nazi groups and some unknown snipers, that lead this protests intro disaster with bunch of dead and injured people. Actual president had to flee to Russia on helicopter, because he was about to get killed. There suppose to be vice-president and he was there, but for some reason they put other guy as a temporary president. All this actions was anti-consitutional. So regions like Donbass and Crimea decide that they don't want to be a part of this country anymore, country were constitution means nothing and chaos and madness is happening. So they start legal action with voting and stuff, in absolutely democratic way, to became independent from Ukraine. In some regions of Crimea there was like 89.87% of votes for independence from Ukraine, but overall is about 80%, that a lot, that huge. So Crimea and Donbass became independent. Later Crimea joined to Russia and became part of the Russia. Somewhere at this moment of time Ukraine start anti-terrorist operation on Donbass, later they renamed it to something else. So Ukraine start shelling Donbass and tryed to capture it. Russia wasn't involved in this conflict at all. But Russia offerent help to negotiate this conflict with diplomatic solutions. Some documents were signed between Ukraine and Donbass. Don't remember what exactly, but it's easy to find(Minsk agreements). Obviously to stop shelling, then something about Donbass is part of Ukraine, but have special status, something else probably. But anyway, after some time Ukraine shit on this agreements and start shelling Donbass again. Why Ukraine did not attack on Crimea is because there is 200 years old Russian naval base and now it's part of Russia, so it's straight forward war against Russia and decent amount of military that is already in this region. And at this moment of time Ukrainians weren't supplied and trained by america well enought. So they only had balls to attack on coral miners from Donbass. So for many years it was like that. Donbass were getting shelled by Ukrainians and Russia were trying to force negotiation by words. During this time pressident of Ukraine Poroshenko were giving speaches like "This cockroaches on Donbass will be living in bassements, but we Ukrainians will live happy lifes" and disgusting stuff like that. So this frozen conflict between Ukraine and Donbass were 8 years long with many civilians dead on the side of DPR/LPR. Russia were offering different options like discount for gas/oil whatever, just to stop this madness. When Zelensky appears his program were to be a nice guy and to stop the war with Donbass. Another parts of agreements were signed. But after some time, once again, Ukraine shit on all agreements. There is even some story that Ukraine were stealing gas or oil from Russian pipe that going thru Ukraine to Europe. And all this talks with arrogance and disrespect toward Russia, toward Soviet Union. Removing Lenin statues, humiliating ww2 veterans and plenty and plenty more of disgusting shit that Ukraine did, inculding all this nazi battalions that have more power then police and millitary, and bandera streets and infinite shit talk. So Russia just said i am done with your shit, you are fuckign annoying, you disgusting, you can't behave, you going to fuckign pay. So it's happens - denazification and demilitarisation.

Ukraine always was anti-soviet, anti-russian so it was easy for america to do this color revolution and push nazi ideology, while biting people that they will join EU and NATO.

Ukraine is de jure nato member. In past 5 years Ukrainian solders were trained by americans, by nato standards. Ukraine were giving weapons and other ammunition by nato standards. And were talking about possibility of having nuclear weapons. And they have ability to make nuclear weapons, they have all the stuff that needed for this left from Soviet Union era. And all of this with the plans to get back Donbass region and Crimea. Not even mentioning biolabs...So in a past years Ukraine were straight forward preparing for a war against Russia. Even kids and eldery were trained for a war. So it's like ww2, when everyone were saying that Germany might attack on Soviet Union, but wasn't really sure. And as you know Germany actually attacked without declaring a war. So this time Russia decide to not wait for attack and strike first. And as captured documents shows, Russia attaked just a few days earlyer then Ukraine planed to attack. I bet there was scout information, you know KGB and stuff, that shows that Ukraine will attack for sure.

About this clip. First of all this is TV show, it's not official claims, so whatever they are saying is irrelevant. But to be honest, looking at whats going on around, looking at rhetorics of some countrys, i am more agree with this clip rather then disagree. This countrys are really going by the same road as Ukraine, so they better calm their tits or... Getting paid from america means some day will have to pay back and you will pay back with your lives, because ameria will send you to fight against russia in another proxy war.

You have to understand that RUSSIA is a GREAT power. No one is asking you to be a puppet of Russia, but obviously you should not try to bite.

I know you will start argue with evey sentence, with evey word and letter, completely ignoring that it's all documented facts and actual history.
But please watch this my favorite propaganda clip it's so great.
https://youtu.be/y5yYjcxnpCs

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Lacceh - Reply to #853

"There is also huge information war, but Russia not participating in it, it's too low for Russia."

this gotta be a joke right
cant be saying that unironically

lol... completely brainwashed and you have zero self-awareness

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #867

I'm starting to believe we're getting trolled hard. His replies are basically reply-bait at this point.

<< Comment #851 @ 09:50 CDT, 21 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #846

obliterating an entire country

Wut.

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Aquashark - Reply to #845

Zelensky is Jewish and selected a Jewish mediator (Prime Minister of Israel).

meanwhile Rogozin is chief of ROSCOSMOS and Dmitry Utkin was decorated by Vladimir Vladimirovich himself.

it's pointless to even talk about who's a nazi at this point.. the hypocrisy is astronomical. it's a cruel joke, just like this ~~war~~ 'special military operation'.

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melechesh ' - Reply to #849

rofl. are you seriously trying to imply that being jewish, or being the prime minister of israel (one of the most far-right discriminatory regimes on the planet) automatically absolves someone of any possible ties to corruption, extremism or nationalism? what kind of 12yo reddit marvel capeshit world view is this xD

the hypocrisy is astronomical

Edited by melechesh at 12:22 CDT, 22 March 2022

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Aquashark - Reply to #861

yes, I'm aware of the failings of the state of Israel. that doesn't change anything I said, nice deflection.

Russians aren't all saints either when it comes to ultra nationalism as specifically pointed (which you ignored). why do they get to claim the moral high ground over Ukraine?

the 'denazification' excuse is beyond pathetic and turning Russian-speaking cities in East Ukraine into rubble is making clear they don't give a shit about the 99.9% people living peacefully there (or in Ukraine at large).

enjoy your new 'Z'wastika, I guess.

Edited by Aquashark at 13:07 CDT, 22 March 2022

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melechesh ' - Reply to #862

I agree the denazification excuse is pathetic, but it's not the only thing pathetic here, it doesn't remove the fact that CIA & Zelensky are more than happy to take advantage of and encourage the neonazi presence in Ukraine for their own (geo)political ambitions, something all to easily discarded in this black & whitewashed good vs evil fantasy world people prefer to live in.

Al Qaeda & ISIS mercenaries are also joining the fight now, on the side of "the good guys".

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pacmanpl - Reply to #862

making clear they don't give a shit about the 99.9% people living peacefully there

Wow! It's just like USrael and their puppets installed in Ukraine!
Wild!

<< Comment #865 @ 13:37 CDT, 22 March 2022 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #864

nice deflection!!

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Aquashark - Reply to #864

they must be missing out on the champions of freedom that are Lukashenko and Putin, hahaha..

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #838

I sincerely hope a "mother" comes by and does the same to you and your family :)

I wonder if you would change your tune then.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Edited by nex1 at 05:41 CDT, 20 March 2022

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<< Comment #842 @ 08:09 CDT, 20 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #840

Mostly peaceful tourists.

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<< Comment #843 @ 09:59 CDT, 20 March 2022 >>

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fau - Reply to #840

And here is a list of countries that will be "denazified" by Russia next. Think about it if you are on the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

Edited by fau at 10:01 CDT, 20 March 2022

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<< Comment #844 @ 10:31 CDT, 20 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #843

U r cute ^^

<< Comment #850 @ 08:55 CDT, 21 March 2022 >>

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nex1 ' - Reply to #843

Are you really a Pole, or are you just another fake pole like the blaze it mod posing as pole with google translaror?

Because you should know better by now than to trust the west and the nazis.

Seems history teached nothing to you.

Yes, there are neo nazis in many western countries. The big difference is that in all western countries their amounts and strenght is insignificant.

It's only relevant when you want to back your stupid sjw scare tactics. Then they are this big menace looming over the west.

But not in ukraine. Ukraine has a long history of actual, real nazi support, it started in WW2 and never stopped.

In ukraine the nazi fascination and support is a real significant force, and what's worse is that it is openly infiltrated at every level of government and army.

There isn't just Azov battallion, even if that alone is more nazis than all the neo nazis in all the other countries combined.

And in ukraine the nazi infiltrated militias committed ethnically motivated genocide of ethnical Russians Ukrainians and general political opposition since 2014.

There are countless videos if you really care. Of actual, real neo nazis setting people on fire in ukraine. Torturing, raping.

Right now, as we're speaking they're actively shooting whoever dares trying to escape Kiev or Mariupol or other cities. We're talking civilians.

The Russian forces are waiting for the civilians to leave the cities before using real force. The nazi infiltrated ukrainian armies want to use civilians as meat shields and their deaths as propaganda.

That's why they're currently machinegunning down the civilian cars that try to escape big cities. That's why the blood count will be much higher than it needs to be.

But keep supporting nazis, Pole. That has never backfired in the history of your country, i'm sure.

Edited by nex1 at 09:03 CDT, 21 March 2022

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fau - Reply to #850

Wiki link I pasted says that far-right nationalist electoral alliance in Ukraine won 1 seat in 2019 parliamentary election. That's all I need to know, all the rest is just noise and can be blown out of proportion or fabricated in any country and I'm 100% sure this is what state-owned Russian propaganda does all the time. Like the genocide claims, not confirmed by thousands of western citizens who lived/visited Ukraine at the time or any respectable organisations I would trust (like United Nations, which usually is the organisation to recognise genocide).

Here is my perspective as a Polish (and mainstream perspective here generally). I'm not afraid of a poor country that struggles with so many internal problems that even if it went fully mad it wouldn't pose any threat to its neighbours, especially nuclear power Russia (conventional - not so much as we can see). Not to mention that before the war there were 800000 Ukrainian immigrants in Poland (over 2 million refugees now) so it's hard for Russian propaganda to convince ppl here how evil they are, because everyone knows some and obviously they are not. I'm more worried about Russia that keeps destabilizing, igniting separatist wars and invading consecutive neighbour countries since Putin came to power. The pattern is obvious, he is on a conquest and won't stop by himself.

Rest of your post is so full of gibberish, Russian propaganda and falsifying history (Poland supporting nazis? Already making up lies for next invasion?) that I will just skip replying to it.

Edited by fau at 10:09 CDT, 21 March 2022

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<< Comment #855 @ 05:21 CDT, 22 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #852

There is ZERO propaganda or falsifying history in Nex1 post.
Far-right nationalist have power in Ukraine since 2014, not 2019. In 2019 Zelensky won election, his program was to stop attacks on Donbass and to be pro-Russian, that's why people vote for him. But when he became president he made a 180 degree turn.

You polaks should stop defending nazis with hope that one day they help you to get your lands back. It didn't worked back in a days and not gonna work in a future. Better start thinking about all the refugees you taking can be this neo-nazis terrorists. You also should think about all the weapons that been giving to any random people in Ukraine, even prisoners. I've seen Javelin casually standing in a corner of a casual Ukrainian flat. All this terrorists with weapons fleeing to europe and spreading all around. For some moment of time they will be quiet. But later they will unite in a big terrorist group.

You know you have nexta office in your country? Nexta that tryed to lead a coup in Belarus two years ago. Tryed to push nationalist ideas, force Belarusian language and use of white red white flag. White red white flag is a symbol of the Nazi administration in Belarus, also appearing on arm patches of Belarusian Nazi collaborationists who volunteered in the German Army and the SS. And nexta pushed the idea that current flag of Belarus Red Green is a fake flag and the real one is WRW. Yea, like WRW flag was a thing in 1991—1995, but people protest a lot to change it, because it's a flag of Nazi administration in Belarus.

So think about this, you already have nazi office in your country that wanna take over Belarus. Now you will receive bunch of experienced terrorists from Ukraine. So it's only question of time when Polaks get brainwashed enough to attack on Belarus. As always you will be hearing all this dehumanizing of enemy stuff. It's a classical nazi thing. Like Belarusians aren't really humans, so it's not a crime to kill 'em and it's actually a gift for them to end their meaningless existence. And obvioulsy stuff like they stole our lands something something. Yea, like right now you maybe think that this is make no sense, but trust me 8 years, maybe even five years and you will scream such slogans in the main square of your country. That's how it's easy to fool people. People that don't have brains and only consume products. People that do not want to be educated, but to be entertained. People that most likely to believe in a conspiracy theory rather than actual but boring history.

You are fool if you think that nazi is not an issue. Religion and nationality the easiest way to divide people and start the war.

I bet you heard that Belarusians have no rights in their country, right? They oppressed by Lukashenko dictator and stuff like that, right? You heard that, i bet. And your reaction about that is like "yes ofc it is about right, that's defenetly true". It is not true, but i am not about that. This is like intelligent way of dehumanization of the enemy. Basicly they are telling to you that you are the greatest of human kind the Polak with the power and rights, but this tiny little Belarusians over there they don't have rights. You may say that it's nothing special even with this "twisted" phrasing, but it is something special. It's one special step on the road and destination point of this road is that your enemy is Der Untermensch.
Organizations like nexta, maybe even your media is forcing this oppinion on you, over and over again, with different phasing, different words. Manipulating with you mind. At the beggining it's hidden like that, but it will get more and more opened. And at the end they will be telling you straight forward that you simply have to kill'em. Like you can see right now in Ukrainian Tv.

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fau - Reply to #855

You've got no idea what's the public opinion (a thing that matters here, as opposed to your country) on Ukrainians and Belarussians in Poland. Dehumanizing, killing, invading, reclaiming land? Not even extremists bring up such subjects, it's too far from political thinking here. There is no imperial sentiment in Polish politics of modern age, you are obviously projecting. Did you read any interview with Polish politician, member of government, or only getting propaganda opinion pieces?

Another Russian bringing up "Poland defending nazis in the past". I don't even know what is this supposed to be about, but I'm sure it will be great coming from a country that invaded Poland in alliance with Hitler in 1939. Obviously this will be some new lie of Russian propaganda to excuse further conquest into baltic states and Poland - exactly as I wrote above. The good thing is that nobody in the west besides paid shills will buy this anymore, you just lied yourselves into a corner.

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nex1 ' - Reply to #852

Literally everything you wrote is vague propaganda easily disproven. And "i have a ukrainian friend..." really? I mean, you're literally watching pictures of nazi armies in current ukraine and lying trough your teeths. You can't get much more shameless than that.

Yeah, you can skip replying, because you have nothing of value to add.

Edited by nex1 at 13:20 CDT, 25 March 2022

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Aquashark - Reply to #854

go back to your warmongering programmes on Russian TV

we don't need your unapologetically brainwashed replies either.

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<< Comment #860 @ 11:32 CDT, 22 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #854

Here is my perspective as a Polish (and mainstream perspective here generally)

That's the whole reply.

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Anonymous (141.98.103.173) - Reply to #840

This is misinformation. The Ukranian armed forces definitely don't consist of Jewish-backed neo-Nazi anal rimjob democrats who duct tape traitors to lamp posts and perform BDSM spanking punishments on them.

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Overall it appears to me like this:

In August 1991, Bush Sr. said in Kiev:
"Freedom is not the same as independence. Americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism. They will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based upon ethnic hatred."

This shows that they knew what would be coming if the whole situtation of the dissolution of the USSR wasn't avoided or at least handled very carefully.

Then
1) the USSR leaders handled that dissolution in a most irresponsible and disgusting naive way
2) The USA under Clinton with the same irresponsibility started NATO-expansion (and EU) at all costs
3)The "suicidal nationalism based on ethnic hatred" did its part, fueled mainly by the USA (2014 coup etc)

You can't blame the ukrainian people if you look at their history but you can very well blame their corrupt and blatant stupid leadership.

Meanwhile, in NATO headquarters, its all about female pride:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220308120102/ht...2938010628
This was taken down soon after for obvious reasons (black sun symbol)

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<< Comment #869 @ 05:53 CDT, 23 March 2022 >>

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fau - Reply to #868

For you suicidal nationalism is what happened in Ukraine, to me it's the story of modern Russia. Nationalism exists in both countries, but I feel Ukrainian picked up in response to Russia's imperialistic politics which to me is more understandable. You also conveniently skipped "local despotism" which is definitely Russia and Belarus, not Ukraine. Which nationalism is suicidal remains to be seen, wouldn't be so sure about it.

You blame Ukrainian corrupt leadership, but only see 2004 and 2014 events as USA-organized coup (are you aware it's a conspiracy theory?), rather than desperate attempt to oppose its corrupt, pro-russia leaders? Why is post-2014 leadership so corrupt and stupid in your opinion? What would you do differently?

Have a look at Ukraine's GDP and compare it to its western, post-soviet neighbours to see that something went wrong with its transformation. Also recall events that could have lead to its disillusion with Russia as a partner (eg cutting off natural gas in winter to subdue Ukrainian politicians, also correlates with gdp graph).

<< Comment #870 @ 06:13 CDT, 23 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #869

are you aware it's a conspiracy theory?

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<< Comment #876 @ 06:41 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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slm - Reply to #869

what's GDP are talking about when all post-ussr heavy industry was dismounted and EU doesn't open their markets for ua's commodities/cars/whatsoever. They said "just grow ur wheat/sunflowers and stfu". Adding here enormous corruption,poverty and closed rus markets. It's like an economical zugzwang there and now even worse

<< Comment #877 @ 08:05 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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fau - Reply to #876

Well, this is what I mean. How can one blame them for wanting the partnership with eu in 2014 and explain it all by "cia coup" when "neutrality" and in fact russia-dependent politics worked so badly for them economically? The same economical issues, dismounting heavy industry etc. existed in all Warsaw Pact and post-soviet states, but it wasn't as awful for ones that had the ability to cooperate economically with eu, rather than Russia - again compare gdp graphs. Russia and Belarus were also on their way to strong political and economical bonds with western europe and north america, before they took the authoritarian path.

<< Comment #878 @ 08:36 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #877

You are absolutely delusional.
No one cares and no one asks what Ukrainians want.

<< Comment #879 @ 09:58 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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fau - Reply to #878

Certainly you don't, to this I have no delusions.

<< Comment #880 @ 12:39 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #879

Grab my upboat!

<< Comment #881 @ 16:13 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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xemptus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG1prld0bAA

isolated propaganda incident!

<< Comment #882 @ 16:38 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #881

Imagine if they used Quake footage.
The game would be alive.
Again.

<< Comment #883 @ 22:36 CDT, 25 March 2022 >>

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xemptus - Reply to #882

ukrainian infantry outnumbered by russian fascists!

<< Comment #884 @ 00:29 CDT, 26 March 2022 >>

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LOLatRoflexTimers

Putin already admited he fucked up. He lost both the story and the war at this point.

<< Comment #886 @ 04:16 CDT, 27 March 2022 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #884

even his TV agitprop rats see it.. or if you don't care about Russian TV pundits, take it from Strelkov

it was obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills, as beautifully worded in this strong satire piece by former Russian MP Nevzorov (with subtitles). he predicted what would happen since 2021.

Putin's regime spectacularly cornered itself into a lose-lose situation.

Edited by Aquashark at 04:29 CDT, 27 March 2022

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stpbozin - Reply to #886

Really bad interpretation of what Kedmi said. First of all, he is answering the question, right? But we don't know what the question is, so it's easy to interpretate the answer in a wrong way.
I think what Kedmi said that it's to late for signing any theaty, Russia should finish the operation, otherwise Russia would be looking weak in the eyes of other countrys if they sign any threaty with Ukraine. And it would be loose of reputation for Russia.

Nevzorov is a funny guy, especially the way he talk is funny. But taking him any serious is no brainer. He got kicked out from both university and academy. I guess he is not Russian MP enemy because also got kicked out. It would be shocking for you, but he is ONE OF oppositionist that Russia have. And there is plenty of them, a lot. So, whats Nevzorov said is makes no sense, as usually. Because the reason of his existence is to shit on Russia.

Strelnikov is another oppositionist. Whatever Russia do he would say that it's bad, it's wrong, it is the end. And he obviously talk nonsense about no success on any direction. Have you seen a map? Even if you take a map of captured regions from Ukrainian side you would see that there is some success. Can Russian military work faster? I have no idea, i am not millitary expert. But i know for sure that Russia go in with 100k troops and 50k joined from LPR/DPR, so only 150k against 350k of Ukrainian army + whatever amount of territory defenders Ukraine have(civilians with guns).

So there is plenty of this oppositionist in Russia. I know it's mind blowing for you. Whole you life you heard how every Russian citizen sitting in jail in a camera and Putin himself feeding each one with only one spoon of soupe per day.
But some of this oppositionist been shitting on Russia for 20 years straight. Many of new one appears in a past years. No one oppressing them, no one sending them in jail. Well, if they behave, not do shady business, not asking kids to go out and fight against police. If they just talking heads, then no one cares. Whatever you think, but reality is reality. Russia have actual freedom.

<< Comment #888 @ 09:03 CDT, 28 March 2022 >>

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Aquashark - Reply to #887

token oposition = actual freedom! very nice comrade.
speaking of that token oposition of yours, even that is starting to evaporate.. Investigative Committee: journalist Nevzorov faces charges for misinformation about Russia's military activities. not even going to mention real oposition like Navalny, Nemtsov etc. I'm sure you're full of wisdom about those as well.

Strelkov is not even oposition, he's just being realistic, but you're so out of touch with reality you don't even recognize what's real anymore. those failed Donbas "republics" cannot sustain the level of losses they had so far and he's mad the main Russian Army doesn't give them any real support, because they're stuck on all fronts.

<< Comment #889 @ 01:12 CDT, 29 March 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #888

Sure, token opposition, or maybe like court jester.

Once i found fragment of the video were guy was saying that he is not listening to Putin speeches because Putin are KGB agent, so whatever he says, he says to fool people, so instead he listening to other guy who interpretate what's Putin said. This is just epic level of insanity. So seems like you are the same type of person who is not listening to official claims, but listening to yellow press that twisting official claims.

I really do not understand what is your point here, what you trying to prove. I am full of wisdom for sure. But myth busting every topic of yellow press seems like a waste of time for me. Especially while talking with a person like you, who is not looking for an answer, but throwing in nonsense after nonsense, ignoring everything that were said before.

All this Strelkov, Nevzorov, Nemtsov, Navalny whatever. What's uniting all this people is that they are earning money. This is just a way they earning money. Being anti-Russian in current situation is highly profitable. Getting charged by Russian government beneficial, so i assume Nevzorov intentionally posted what he posted to boost his status. But before that, he wisely left Russia. I am sure after this charge from investigative committee Nevzorov received boots in views and visits on his website. Hightly profitable.

Watch for Dmitry Gordon, the guy changing opinion on the fly. Watch his interviews it's hilarious. In one interview he shit on Zelensky in other interview he praises Zelensky, in one interview he shit on Putin in other interview he praises Putin. And so on on every topic he talk about. I think it's depends on who is he talking with and were he is talking. Guy is not burning bridges, looking for highest profit possible.

<< Comment #890 @ 17:20 CDT, 30 March 2022 >>

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melechesh '

That Japan bit lmao

<< Comment #891 @ 08:58 CDT, 31 March 2022 >>

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4471216

Ukraine PM Zelensky is Jewish and selected a Jewish mediator meanwhile Rogozin is chief of ROSCOSMOS and Dmitry Utkin was decorated by Vladimir Vladimirovich himself.

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Aquashark

more doubt from Kremlin propagandists: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1509975832021901312
and more important, doubt from Russian soldiers who refuse to enroll in this criminal war: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1509979072365056008
why would they fight over lies anyway? why would they fight in the name of oligarchs with $500+ million yachts and palaces abroad? who robbed them of their own money and living standards?

Edited by Aquashark at 02:44 CDT, 2 April 2022

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stpbozin - Reply to #892

more doubt from Kremlin propagandists: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1509975832021901312
and more important, doubt from Russian soldiers who refuse to enroll in this criminal war: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1509979072365056008
why would they fight over lies anyway? why would they fight in the name of oligarchs with $500+ million yachts and palaces abroad? who robbed them of their own money and living standards?

Nice, first video from day 13, almost month old. From a talk show...

You keep posting tweets from the same guy. You know you can follow someone else, to widen your horizons. For example, Scott Ritter, Richard Medhurst, The Grayzone, The Jimmy Dore Show.

So, contract solder refuse to go intro warzone. And what?

This cringe that you posting is ridiculous. There is nothing controversial in this video. Just a fact statement, contract solder refuse to go to warzone because there is no real punishment for that.

But you and your retarded friend from twitter making out of this basic statement something extraordinary. The guy feel ok to serve in military during peace time, but refuse to go to warzone. There is nothing more about that. How you even twisting such basic thing intro something.

Aliens don't want to visit our planet because of Russian oligarchs with $500+ million yachts.

You trying to show how bad is Russia, but you are so dumb you don't even understand that you showing how good is Russia. In Russia there is so much freedom that contract solder can refuse to go to warzone.

Realy dood, edukat b4 talk. Stop listening to idiots from twitter. You are so young, it's ok at your age to go to university to receive education if you not able to self educate.

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Aquashark

For example, Scott Ritter, Richard Medhurst, The Grayzone, The Jimmy Dore Show.

who the fuck cares about these clowns? I linked Yaakov Kedmi (Kremlin-approved propagandist and former KGB agent) and Igor Strelkov (main orchestrator of Donbas occupation), just to illustrate the mood of Russian failure.

corruption and lies embedded within the Russian state finally came to collect their debt and the illusion of power of the Russian Army completely shattered. even your average Russian solider sees through the bullshit and avoids deployment to the 'special operation'.

it would be comical how ineffective Russian army proved to be with so many visually confirmed losses of equipment, half of it captured or abandoned..

unfortunately some of these incompetent soldiers also committed documented war crimes against civilians:

<< Comment #897 @ 16:34 CDT, 6 April 2022 >>

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stpbozin - Reply to #894

Opinion of one person can't illustrate mood of whole Russia, especially if it's Kedmi. Same like opinion of one Romanian guy from esreality can't illustrate a mood of all Romanian's. I can't even imagine what would happens to your face when next day you look out of your window to see buch of Romanians waving Russian flags in support of Russia. But it may happens, so prepare pills to evade heart attack.

You know whats different between you and me? I am looking at all sources and you only looking at what you like. You are only looking at this sittuation from perspective of how you like it to be. And you looking at sources that fits your view of this sittuation.

For example i were subscribed to this Katz. But after watching some of his videos i found enough of evidences that he is twisting facts or talking only about cons and not mentioning pros. I used to watch some communists and also noticed same type of one sided propaganda. Watched Khodorkovsky's videos and many many more different sources. And it's all bullshit, one sided oversaturated bullshit.

It's simple, let's imagine for example such situation. Ukrainian army that's located in school building attacked Russian army. Russian army did strikes back. So, people like Katz would tell you that Russian army shoot at school building. He is right, it's not a lie, Russian army did shoot school building. But it's only one side of a story. He never gonna tell you that in this school there was Ukrainian army. And it's like that, with everything he talk and not only he.

It's hard to understand whats going on in the country that is far away from you and you never been there, and don't even speak their language. When in 2020 we had some action in Belarus, i've seen so many bullshit. I mean i am living there i know whats going on, right?
But imagine, Me sitting in my chair, watching tv series using internet, scrolling this bullshit nexta channel on my phone using internet and i see a message that Belarus shuts down internet. There even was a picutre that shows something that suppose to be a proof, i don't remember what it was. But i double checked and twitch and reddit were working. I also remember hilarious message from nexta that on this channel they may post some fake news without checking facts, but on other channel they will not post any fakes for sure only the real thruth. I think exactly at this point i unsubscribed from this bullshit.

So now i am kinda understand how it's works. They may lie to you straight forward and if it's didn't work, if they get caught, they will say sorry, there is so many information we didn't check facts, sorry not gonna happen again. But it will happens again. Lies and one sided view of situation is the only weapon they have.
All this opposition is not the opposition that's simply want to run country differently. This people litteraly want to destroy country.

Here is the quote from one of the guy from Navalny office:
"Soon i will come back to Russian Federation with many of my colleagues. And then we will have tough talk with all of you. We remember everything. No one will escape from responsibilities. You will wash floors in toilets with this white-blue-red rag." (c) Vladimir Milov

Sounds like a joke, no actually sounds like a speech from enemy of Russia, but this is Russian opposition. Similar sittuation in Belarus.

So all this sources you usually looking at and posting here have similar thoughts in mind as this Milov guy. The only thing they chasing is to make a coup in Russia with hands of Russians. Then to destroy Russia completely by dividing it on small countries. And then, who knows, maybe even slavery...

It's pointless to react on this incidents like what happens in Bucha. It's like taking 1 piece of 1000 piece puzzle and trying to guess how whole picture would look like. You can discuss this single piece for whole your life, but once you see the whole picture all the discussions would be over. So when you posting such things like Russian solders eating dogs or whatever you will post next, you only spreading hatred and showing how stupid you are.

<< Comment #895 @ 10:52 CDT, 4 April 2022 >>

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Aquashark

Russian regime #1 tactic: accuse others loudly of what you're already doing (harboring nazis, genocide/ethnic cleansing, deportation, war crimes..):

In an event which is beyond parody the Russian puppet Denis Pushilin has awarded a man wearing Nazi imagery (SS Totenkopf and Valknot) an award for destroying “Nazis”. Yes, the people “denazifing” Ukraine are awarding Nazis with medals.

Edited by Aquashark at 10:54 CDT, 4 April 2022

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pacmanpl - Reply to #895

Good for them!

<< Comment #898 @ 18:19 CDT, 6 April 2022 >>

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c1

you guys heard of the bucha massacre, right?

The whole thing sounded strange to me so I searched for clues and found this:

so is the whole thing fake or was I just manipulated?

<< Comment #899 @ 13:12 CDT, 14 April 2022 >>

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Aquashark

Russian state TV is hysterical:
Head of Russia Today, Margarita Simonyan demands less freedom, more censorship—just like China or the USSR. - "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Censorship is free speech."

Solovyov losing whatever's left of his sanity masquerading as an exorcist - while everyone in the studio looks embarrassed for him

bonus: Russian supermarket with anti-theft protection on every basic food item (from cans to slabs of butter) - remember kids, 'Z' doesn't pay!

Edited by Aquashark at 13:13 CDT, 14 April 2022

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Teen Queen '

Edited by Teen Queen at 09:44 CDT, 16 April 2022

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pacmanpl - Reply to #900

Finally!

<< Comment #902 @ 07:22 CDT, 20 April 2022 >>

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Bob

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #902

This thread is a glaring example of how unreadable ESR format is.

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Anonymous (185.220.101.36) - Reply to #903

you should not be here. you don't even dm13

<< Comment #905 @ 03:15 CDT, 8 May 2022 >>

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Aquashark

Russian TV is a sight to behold:

clowns in disarray, getting nostalgic for Beria: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1523097022005403648

hystericals with reality check at the end: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1522213701813608448

even bigger reality check: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1523036461595242498

..and perhaps the most bitterly astute of reality checks, Igor Strelkov's realization that "Russkiy mir" crashed and burned, defeated by none other than Russian state corruption and incompetence: https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1521409563639128067

Edited by Aquashark at 03:24 CDT, 8 May 2022

<< Comment #906 @ 07:03 CDT, 8 May 2022 >>

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nex1 '

Mostly peaceful nazis

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<< Comment #907 @ 06:01 CDT, 17 May 2022 >>

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Aquashark

another reality check - with the bonus of putting that Skabeyeva harpy in her place. this time, you can't twist the truth for your viewing Zorks, honey. this man's words come from a place of authority and not from your warmongering TV narrative which fell flat in front of you, just like your face: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882

Edited by Aquashark at 12:43 CDT, 17 May 2022

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Aquashark

Georgia border 2008 vs 2022
fate loves irony..

Special Regrouping Operation

Edited by Aquashark at 12:41 CDT, 24 September 2022

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