looks like they did it right now.

We must whine more ofc !!

Say what you will but I enjoyed the fuck out of quakelive. I watched every single lan tournament and played lots of fucking quake. A FUCKING LOT, OF FUCKING QUAKE.

I am satisfied that I enjoyed myself as much as possible. I am very sad that quakelive failed because of shit devs, but I still got mine. And that's what counts.

You can only judge rightly if you have the whole picture of how was namaged QL project, which none of us have.

To the contrary you decide to bash on SyncError who has proved to be very dedicated to something he like. Might i say he love.

Do you think your negative texts toward QL devs adds something positive or negative?

ahhahahaah just looking at this guy lmaooooooooooooo

"Wanna hear about QL 3.0?"

In retrospective, this needs more donuts.

Registered: 16 Jul 2015

What's the point focusing the debat on me?

you are clueless that's why

You probably didn't know that syncerror was also responsible for Q4 and look how that turned out.

please go be naive somewhere else

Although I frowned at jamalz insult towards the devs, he did play and enjoy the fuck out of quake. I may not prefer ql but quake is quake is quake. He earned a plus.

I don't think quake will ever go away so long as there are freaks like jamalz.

ESR is debat

Syncerror only cared about his paycheck.

You are mistaken if you think he cared about growing the game. All his policies did the exact opposite of that.

Adam pyle was the reason Quake Live failed.

So let me get this right.

He only cared about his paycheck. So he killed the game that produces his paychecks on purpose, causing him to be broke and fired.

Yeah... Maybe you should study marketing and just accept that the head guys at id software don't share your enthusiasm for this 16 y/o game. Quake is legend and we all want it to be known as the best but the cards didn't fall that way on the table.

Sorry champ.

the amount he got paid doesn't change if he gets 10000 more people playing the game. He simply did the bare minimum. Anyone who was around since 2008 knows that. This is why cheaters ran rampant on friday nights (they knew he was busy gaming in the weekends). In other words he wasn't paid a commission as you assume in your reply for increasing the playerbase. He had a base salary, period.

tell me when did you ever see a Q&A from syncerror asking people what they would like to see happen with the game since 2009? And don't come back with NDA, because he could have asked fans things without disclosing sensitive info in his replies, he was doing that on IRC for the .001% that visited that platform, but what about for the other 99.009%?

He catered only to veterans (on irc,esr) and didn't give a rats ass for new players entering the game, this is exactly why so many of them got slummed out of the game. Tell me, did Syncerror ever do anything against Schizm? and other guys who completely destroyed entire game types? And don't get me started on zeroql or effortless. they were saved because they were pros. Zhu would have been saved too if he had any lan results to merit a reversal of his ban. He simply did what he wanted the entire 6 1/2 years it ran its course. Loadouts, did you vote for that? know anyone who did? QL was his game and he ran it into the ground.

i agree with you that the head guys at zenimax didn't help and got in the way, but for the core things added to the game, syncerror did what he wanted not caring about the results. (he could have reversed loadouts a week after, but his ego was too big to admit he was wrong)

This is why cheaters ran rampant on friday nights (they knew he was busy gaming in the weekends).

If he is paid to work from Monday to Friday, why should he bother with cheaters on his free time?
I know the idea of working in a company that makes games seem dreamy to some.. but after a few years when that fairy dust settles you realize it's like any other job and going an extra mile is not worth the free time you could spend for personal matters.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Attacking him on a personal level saying he only cared about the paycheck is just ridiculous. He's a big fan of the game and surely cared. At the same time, his position was not at all as omnipotent as one may think.

What I think it's a shame, is that id did not take this opportunity (QL) to push for competitive gaming the way riot did. And I guess this goes higher in the hierarchy, and it's not something syncerror could have decided on his own.

well said brah!

Why the fuck is nobody taking Q3 back? Let's bring it back, put on some servers or something.

There are a handful of servers already online waiting to be populated, they have always been (at least in europe). Fire up cpma, open server browser, join the one with the lowest ping, "cv gameplay cq3", "cv map ztn3tourney1" and you're set. Sadly there are actually a few features that ql has over that solution. non-uniform hitsounds, timers for spectators and dmg numbers come to mind. Sadly the cpma devs did not provide sources for their mod (despite it being GPL'd), since they are apparently fucking bastards. Otherwise the community could fix those things and much more. Of course cpma in its current state has a few features over ql as well.

I've just installed the beta to try it out, and I've noticed some bugs/flaws already, namely, when I do ^(number) to enter a colored character, the black background (I play with cg_viewsize 85 due my big monitor) goes the same color im intending to write with... really weird stuff.

http://oi59.tinypic.com/whbja0.jpg

I've also noticed cg_drawCrosshairNames is stuck at 2, 1 does the same, 0 doesn't disable it (does the same)

cg_drawCrosshairNamesOpacity doesn't change the opacity. Tried to disable it as I attempted to play some T4 for old times sakes with some guy, since I don't need this distraction for 1v1, this didn't work as well. Im stuck with the crosshair name showing every time.

The hud bug: Already addressed by someone else in here, I managed to fix it manually by adjusting the AMMO and ARMOR offsets.

Flaws I've noticed a lot of people complaining about:

-Unabilty to know what maps are actually voteable on a particular server. You just can't know what maps are installed on there, so a lot of the maps that you try to vote wouldn't do nothing (it will say vote passed and nothing happens).

-Nick format. Great that we can change them again, but your steam nickname looks like a mess if you try to color it up with ^2 and so on.

I hope that the crosshair bug gets fixed, I can't stand names during a duel. Literally useless.

the crosshair names are now cg_enemyCrosshairNames and cg_teammateCrosshairnames with separate opacity commands for each. opacity isn't currently working when looking at people with colored names, but will apparently get fixed in a patch in a week or 2. To get cg_teammateCrosshairnames to work you have to disable the new boxes above teamates heads, which is like cg_teammatenames or something.

thought the devs would stop supporting the game after todays patch

ofc there will be at least one bug fix patch

They supported the game? Lol?

LOLatQuakeLiveBeta

r_subdivision doesn't work in QL Steam Beta, and there is no bind to voicechat you have to manualy type /bind x +voice

For anyone console phobic -

Settings -> Input (which is the first pane to come up) - on the right hand column is the option to bind for 'Voice Chat' though you have to scroll down a bit to see it even on 1080p.

and still, r_subdivision is read only. :P

That's intentional

Sadly, I knew... :(

Default bind is v

i think default bind got erased with my autoexec :D

enjoy your good nights sleep after destroying this game for the past 6 1/2 years.

They update in a hour-two hours.

http://i.imgur.com/VimgB6g.png

Nice catch!

I hope this isn't the slow death of QL...

It's a quake reborn :)

tbh Steam is gonna kill it.

I'm all for slow death. Let's hope its not fast death

Quake's been dying for 13 years.

Winter is coming.

I've been dying for the last 26 years and I'm still alive.

Don't you think tha paywall will accellerate the process of death? I hope not, but I think that's what is going to happen...

Should be sufficient till next quake come out.

Has anyone else been suffering from a huge FPS loss in the beta version? I'm at 60-90 fps at all times whereas before I had fairly stable 125 fps.

Guess not. :(

Play QuakeLive now for only 10$ on steam!

I dont know if this is a bug or wrong turn by ID, but lol ? What is with the guys which already got the game in their library?

Then it's already in your library... so no charge.

It seems this is why they have been encouraging people to convert to steam whenever they've been talking on irc / twitch for forums.
And also why they added 6 months free to all subscribers a while back, that would have stopped any new payments from them.
And stopped taking on new subscription payments.

But, just to go back to the crucial point here, this 10 $ charge was not mentioned (and has still not been mentioned) at any point what-so-ever by syncerror or any other employee of id software, correct?

I don't think so but I'm not actually omnipotent, I just tend to pick up quake news very quickly, certainly all subscription related info was brand new to me just now.
I had previously seen them decline to comment saying that they didn't know themselves yet either.

Try http://www.esreality.com/post/2779695/n-a/#pid2779703

i guess it was not mentioned so cheaters dont stockpile steam accounts

They had no problem taking my money, I basically bought subs which are worth nothing now,, that's really nice.

You'll get compensated if you had a sub and will get a free key so you won't have to come up with the 10$.

I had had pro. How do I get a key?

send a mail to support.

That's not the point. I'm not concerned about the money. I bought years worth of subs for a service which doesn't exist anymore.

this.
my friend never paid a subscription and can play for free because he added the game on steam a while back, and I have to pay for it while having paid many pro subscriptions in the last few years. just doesn't seem right.

At least you can request a key from support if you were a subscriber, just tell them your account name and kindly ask for a steam key.

I'm in the same boat. My premium lapsed a couple of months ago because I've been busy. I would have glady paid another year for pro subscription. But now I have to pay $10 so that they could remove my 7 years of stats and people who never paid get it for free.

I already messaged support and they told me to gtfo. I won't be playing the game again anytime soon, I'm not paying for this crap.

I haven't tried my luck with support yet. I might do in a few days if I feel like playing the game.
Based on their answer I might make the same decision as you and move on to something else.

here's to hoping that there's a $2.50 steam sale this xmas *clink*

what the fuck, they never mentioned this right?

I'd rather the price be kept secret from everyone to deter cheaters/wallhackers creating heaps of steam accounts in advance.

Lets see 10 bucks is about ... 20 minutes worth of time I already spend in a 40 hour work week. I spend more on train fares and lunch every day even.

https://www.google.pl/search?q=1+USD+to+PLN&a...06+%2F+2.8

~14 beers

I can spend 80 times the 10 bucks on a good night out.
Still doesn't feel right that I have to pay for such an old game which was free for many years and I was still paying a pro subscription many times, while total noobs to the game who never paid anything for it but added it when it launched on steam have it for free.

You don't have to pay. Contact [email protected]

HERE IT IS BOIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

HMG, universal ammo packs, and item timers still there by default?

This depends on the server set-up. It can all be turned off. And you can callvote it off now too I believe.

There is no "default" anymore, it's user hosted servers.

wtf is with the 6.99 to play on steam, ive already got a fkn pro sub ive paid for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0iqz4ento&a...e&t=98

If you are a subscriber, but did not move over to steam yet, please contact support.

lol

What about previous subscribers ?

I agree. Anyone current or previous subscriber should have the game for free now.

what about the regular users who've been waiting for the standalone client to go off before switching to the Steam version? was it really such a problem to announce this switch to the buy2play model before the patch actually arrived?

Guys, please switch to steam
Guys, you should really get steam.

Guys, make yourselves a favor and link your QL account.


Ok guys this isn't funny anymore, we URGE you to switch from standalone to steam.

Guys switch to steam please.

Guys oh fuck it nevermind.


Then this thread pops up.

>"wow someone should have warned me, this came out of the blue"

at what point was anyone told, that unless you move to steam - you are paying for qlive yet again???

Well, then, sorry, I guess I'm at fault for using a perfectly working (at least for me) standalone client that I've been using for years and not following all the news + whatever Sync says on twitter/irc/twitch.

Honestly, yeah, something like this did come out of the blue for me, because I certainly didn't expect to pay unless I switched on time, if I had ever expected that, of course I'd switch. Since it looks like I'm in the minority that didn't switch on time, I guess I should've paid better attention. Still, I think that some sort of official heads up would've been nice.

If you had a subscription contact [email protected] ...
(even if it was in the past you may get lucky)

I thought I had enough time to switch, too.
Bought the game in 99. Then paid once, or even twice for QL. Now I was a day late and can not play anymore. This is really sad.

can not play anymore

You don't have £6.99 to pay for a year's worth of development?

same here.
I was travelling in America, got back home yesterday and found out about this.

I guess I shouldn't have a life.

It doesn't really work like that. People might not necessarily use twitch chat. People might not necessarily check ESR or the QL forums. People actually might actually prefer to steer well clear of all 3 because they are generally full of fucktards anyway.

On top of this, you have the people who might not necessarily have played QL for the last X months/years despite having been a long term subscriber in the past. They come back now and they encounter this? Where was the "QL will cost 10,00 $ on steam unless you sign up for the beta" news announcement on the QL launcher splash screen? Where was the "Hey we're migrating to Steam guys! (and it will cost 10,00 $ unless you sign up to the beta)" e-mail which should have been sent to all registered e-mail accounts?

The "urgency" on behalf of syncerror wasn't communicated via the right channels, and even then the key point (that unless you do this by X date, you will have to pay) has been completely and systematically absent from any communication.

Even if someone does see syncerror on twitch, read ESR and check the forums, as slunge pointed out above, at which point is it mentioned that "if you don't do this now you will need to pay 10,00 $ in the future"?

I myself already expressed my confusion at this apparently unnecessary urgency here, and as you can see, even Yakumo was completely unaware of any 10.00 $ shenanegens and his answer left me equal confused, so I just assumed it wasn't actually urgent at all, and planned to just migrate in 2016 at some point when I got back into QL.

Now syncerror is posting on ESR "hue hue gosh we never thought about this, pls contact support" and Yakumo is all "you might get lucky hue hue". Awesome.

I bet he's having a good laugh right now with his superiors. Honestly, I'm laughing too.

They haven't informed the subscribers and players of this game at all directly?

Then there are indeed more than enough reasons to be sceptical.

I thought the urgency was to get more people testing the beta so it might actually work for once upon release.

Yakumo is all "you might get lucky hue hue". Awesome.

That 'might get lucky' comment was talking specifically about people who did NOT currently have subscriptions when the update was released, but used to at some point in the past.

For people who DID have subscriptions over when the update happened :
http://www.esreality.com/post/2779945/n-a/#pid2779932

At the same time you get a quote like: "I have a feeling quake live is gonna be bigger than before after the update".

How you you can connect this quote and quotes which you posted and come to the conclusion that they're gonna shoot themselves in the foot and hide quake under paywall, which means the death of game is imminent in relatively short timeframe.

I don't mind doomsayers, you guys have been here since 2003 or so when WCG dropped quake 3.



It's 2015, quake is here, people are playing it.
Might not be LoL sized, might not be as popular and active as CS:GO, but there's servers all around the globe, regular online cups and now potentially more local LANS with new update.

Good luck.

yeah csgo community is huge but people on hltv likes to say csgo is dead Kappa

this.

and why should I pay again when my stats of the last years have been erased overnight without any warning?

that's one final troll from id. don't make a final update without pissing a last time on the community. well played, well played id. leaving in style and stay tru o/

lol stats what you mean? your 23% overall accuracy and 1k quits ?

Was literally never communicated like that through any official channel.

This isn't what you'd wish for but its wasn't nothing.

Syncerror's news peice on the forum gets put into site news on the main site/in the game. That's as official as it has ever gotten...

http://mirror.os6.org/www.quakelive.com/forum...ewest.html

And they're limited to what they are allowed to say officially, dropping hints everywhere else seems about call they could do.


In fact they went one further for the first time and had a red highlighted alert on the top of every page of the forum for a week or two as well, though that was mainly to warn the forums were going and had no other direct prods

http://mirror.os6.org/www.quakelive.com/forum...ewest.html

im one of these :x

username checks out

I'd just like to say that overall now my cfg and stuff is working, this is a really solid update man, well done and thank you!

Dear SyncError,

I have tried to receive an actual answer to my query from QL support (namely Sasparillo), but all I've received so far was a copy/paste of the standard info message about the update, and two lines which did not actually engage my points. Here is my situation:

1. I was not a subscriber while using the standalone at the time of the update
2. I had not downloaded Quake Live through Steam in the past

however

3. I was a Pro subscriber for more than two years, from April 2013 until July 2015. Over that period, I paid a total of 120,44€ in subscriptions.

I am asking if, in light of the amount of time and money I spent as a former subscriber, I could receive Quake live on my steam account free of charge despite 1 and 2. I will send you my Steam account/e-mail in PM if you respond positively.

I do not go on IRC, and I do not follow update discussions on QL. All I do (or used to do) is play QL casually from time to time, and I had absolutely no idea that I would be put in the situation of having to pay for the game again if I did not switch to Steam prior to the update.

Eight Steam friends of mine can play QL for free because they downloaded it on Steam at one point. They have a total of 2.3 hours of play time combined. They never paid for the game, they did not host a server for two years and promote QL to other friends like I did. Yet as a customer who's invested 120,44€ into your game, I'm facing an obligation to pay again, and not them, due to an arbitrary decision that your company made and that I was not made aware of until after the fact.

Ten euros is not much. Yet I simply do not see why I should pay another 10€ to your company after already investing 120,44€ into the game. Some posters have said that it's only the price of two coffee cups -- well, I'll gladly pay for a coffee cup if I want to drink one, but I'm not going to pay again for the same coffee cup if the seller suddenly decides he wants me to pay him again, with the argument that "it's just the price of a coffee cup". The reason I've already paid as much as 120,44€ is that I wanted to not only host a server but also support the company behind the game I've enjoyed playing for years. I don't blame you for putting the 10€ price tag on Steam for new players, but I find it absolutely ludicrous to ask previous subscribers, which have put (way) more than 10€ into the game, to pay for it again while hundreds of thousands of other players can sit back and have it for free for an arbitrary reason. Frankly, if this decision to force previous subscribers like myself to pay the 10€ stands, I will not be interested in supporting your company now and in the future. If you do agree that something should be done for previous subscribers, I'll gladly forget the whole thing. I certainly don't have my hopes up, but feel free to prove me wrong.

I support your inquiry!

So? Pro sub only applied to non-steam Quakelive. The real steam product is entirely separate so you must pay again. ::::::::::)

champion troll

soooo... is quakelive is now $10 for us people that were f2p previously?

If you had been playing on steam it seems you lucked out and get a total freebie.

If you'd been a subscriber on the standalone version but hadn't caught them strongly suggesting you convert over the past few weeks, contact support and they should sort you out (see #43 )

What if you were a subscriber but converted a few weeks prior? I think I had around 4 months of pro left.

I contacted support but no email back yet, no surprise they must be getting a ton of emails.

9.99 ? SRSLY? FU!

(preliminary info)

- if you had game on steam, you still own it in your library

- if you just had standalone and subscription, you email support@ and ask for key

- if you had standalone and free account ... well, you might have to pay $9.99 and own the game forever.

also, if you had subscription at any point, say it in the support email, it might get you the game.

Thank you captain obvious.

That is not the point. Here http://www.esreality.com/post/2779723/n-a/#pid2779698

i KNOW, but even this what i wrote was not immediately clear to me,
i wrote it so people don't think that even if they did own the game on steam they need to pay.

I totally agree with you, its kinda strange move not to inform anyone about it :(

Yup, that's it. I thought that this update will bring some old people back. Right now I don't think so ...

So, what you gonna do now?

Play with bots sometimes maybe. And I am done with hoping that they will make this game big title again for sure. It took me 7 years so it's time to break.

why not Quake 3?

We are getting so many hits from a single anon users trying so hard to plug quake 3, the whole post approval queue is filled with this guy's rants :D


Give it up fatty, if anyone wanted to play Q3, they would play Q3.

Seems like Q3 isn't the promised land of milk and honey after all, but you can keep on trying and get all 5 players to join you in your eternal battle against bots idling on empty servers :)

But the game itself is complete. No bugs, everything works fine, it's just a matter of graphics. I'm not this guy, but if I knew there was some advertising and people getting back to it I would definitely play it again as well.

What's the difference between QL and Q3? Maps and graphics, that's it?

You want graphics? Then check out ioquake3 . It supports all kinds of gfx/sound enhancements.

I am stil playing Q3 from time to time but there is no playerbase at all. Only CA servers are occupied but I don't play CA.

WHERE ARE THE GIBS?!?!

extra charge

incredible hahahaha

posting in shitstorm thread

Best shitstorm of all time m8 wot u expect?

something - something - teen

I like this 10 euro thing because it will discourage cheaters. Same about ppl who got fucked by it tho :(

Yeah, sure. That is why there are no cheaters in csgo

Well there would be far more of em if the game was free, no?

heh, hard to disagree

where is your point if i'm not a cheater and I already paid over last 5 years around 200 $?

contact support man. I hope youll get a copy, they must have
records of you paying for the game

still a dick move.
making you beg them for something they should have clearly communicated beforehand.

won't do that

You don't have to beg in the slightest but if you don't contact them they won't know you have any interest. They have no automated system for this and aren't going to go through 1,500,000+ users by hand.

That's right Yakumo they have absolutely no record of which e-mail addresses have been associated with pro accounts. Are you for real?

That's not what I said at all, I suggest you re-read it before mindlessly venting at me when I'm trying to HELP someone get free access.

For whatever reason, they're *currently* having to do this by hand (whether this changes later or not we'd have to wait and see)

Obviously email addresses of subscribed users are stored somewhere, that doesn't mean they have access to that data right at this current time even in raw form let alone with any coded utilities.

And if you didn't link your steam account already they have NO way to know what steamID has any connection to an old account, as the client now uses only steam information and users change name at any time, it never takes email addresses, and steam email addresses (if it can even get those through the steam API I don't know) won't necessarily be the ones used to sign up for the original QL account anyway.

My point is that it shouldn't be up to US to contact THEM via e-mail about linking our accounts to steam thanks to some obscure advice on ESR threads or twitch chat screenshots. They have our e-mail addresses, they know which ones are or were associated to pro accounts. They have ALL the information they need to provide us with an efficient solution, they don't need ANYTHING else.

They just needed to send an email to all the pro accounts with a notification of the changes, with a link to "convert to steam" where you're taken to a page, login, provide, your steam ID and click "LINK STEAM ID". How about a "convert to steam" button in the game UI itself too, just for good measure? Boom, done, solved. Zero drama.

But of course anything remotely resembling a solution of any kind is fucking kryptonite for syncerror innit, and instead the community needs to resort to what is basically word of mouth to get this sorted. This would be considered archaic and laughable in 2005. It's 2015.

No h8 m8, I appreciate all the positive effort and help you have invested in QL over the years, but you also have a habit of making stuff up to cover any holes (?) and it gets quite annoying.

I try to avoid getting into arguments too much over 'thing that should have been done in the past', though if anything no matter how minor has actually been done towards that at all and a person wasn't aware of it for some reason I'll share what they missed so they're at least informed they missed it.

Posts I put up to try and help people deal with just the situation as it actually is now, as I'm trying to help them actually deal with the reality of the situation. And maybe some reasoning as to why that currently is the situation because some people like to understand a bit of why.

Because my goal isn't to bash anyone for why this has come to be, but simply try and help the user with their problem at the time.

yeah, id do have the e-mail addresses of former subscribers and informing them about the "new final" release would have been a great way of getting in contact with probable quake live players and encouraging them to test the "new" quake live steam release.

that would also have been an argument for "QL might gain the largest player base it ever had" ~ or however syncerror formulated it.

Instead they proud themselves for "hinting towards converting to steam" which is a poor excuse for not communicating clearly what is about to happen and pissing people off who have all motivation to pay and play the game.

/end of rant

New Website!
www.quakelive.com

Jesus christ. Watched the trailer and it's awesome until I keep hearing the cringeworthy announcer going "impressive". Why and WHY did they had to make this announcer the default one? They should have put the Vadrigar one as default which even if of course is not as good as the original Xyan one, it's decent. But this human sounding douche voice?
Fucking id.

now quakelive disappeared from my steam library, not bad

thx for the update. fucked up my mouse settings completly :)

not just me then :s

mine too.... no placebo at all... seems like accelsenscap went from .04 to .043... now i have .037 to even it out but my railgun zoom sens seems to be 3cm/360 off now.... anyone has the equation to even sens wmo at 500kz 376dpi zoomfov 44?

Bow down to one of the worst devs team in history ! 7 years of bug, visionless changes/updates and broken 'community management'. There is beauty in total disaster like this

how to stop the downloading of the maps? i copied them over to teh downloading folder, but it doesnt recognise them. wth halp plz

waiting for de gibs

only 19.99$!

i would buy gibs for few euros!

Only if they will give back any other gore/mature content together with gibs. And yes, Sarge's cigar too!!!

no, cigar, 1,99€!

10$ for a game is an epic fail :(
In a past I could get some friends to play with me, because game was free and quick to set up...

There will be no new players now.

no 60 or SW battlefront 120€ is a fail

In a past I had no internet or n64

Get some friends 2 play with u nature style quick 2 get bruised or abused

there will be no nature no more just smartphone

(ric flair) wuuuuuuuhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

as much as i appreiciate that you referenced ric flair

do u know how hard it is to get my homies to play ql???

they look at this learning curve game.
they think
fuk that homie

they look at the price tag
they think
fuk that

lets get some weed instead

let them testplay with your account [change name/nick]

or even better give them Q3? show them that many new servers exists now on steam only QL

all maps & models?
no more PRO $$$ vs anti buyer


+learning curve @ Eve Online or Halo 5 is harder ^^

Good. No more shitty qlranks and shity elo.

Yeah, great. No limit to the retardation that is happening in servers. I already went into some servers, no servers for more experienced players. They are all populated by complete vegetables.

Aww guy, don't be like that.

I'm curious that if some servers can report the information, could you use QLranks style ELO for tournament matches only? Say only 125fps or any other online cup (hehe) submits the stats only for tournament games. That'd be some REAL elo right there.

Yeah but why?

The whole point of QLRanks is it ranked everyone for everything. I never gave that much of a crap about supah pro quake..

Would it be possible for server owners to forward the data to ql ranks server, so the system keeps working? Haven't checked the stats api, but seems like a feasible thing. Any thoughts?

There's then the issue of naming, where one would need to track the steam id, which probably means starting from scratch. In the long run it would be really nice. Both duel and ca benefit massively from it.

The whole point of QLRanks is it ranked everyone for everything.

Excuse my social awkwardness, but what message is that gif supposed to convey?

white people please...

noctis said hell do a ranking system for tournaments

[+] Error: The target user can't receive judgements

cant create server...you need to follow utp port 27960! what is zis D:

google router portforwarding. also when you set that up disable firewall

lazy to read the thread throughly

1. does qlranks.com still have any relevance to tthe game? elo is still being tracked?

2. if not did id care to replace qlranks.com somehow with worldwide stats where worldwide rank is pointed out or something?

1. no
2. no, harder to get stats from steam

More likely ranked servers with bots that collect stats will spawn soon for qlranks.

There are no words. Finally abandoned after years of neglect, some half-ass hype surrounding player numbers going up because standalone clients were forced to Steam, and then charging $10 to ensure no one else ever plays it. I really thought I had seen it all. Go bankrupt already and lose your jobs. You fucking deserve it.

Idiots plussing this when anybody who is a current Quake player merely has to link their fucking account to Steam and not pay a dime.

For a game that supposedly requires such tremendous strategical thinking and insane reactions, the majority of you are truly fucking retarded.

What makes this game better than quake 3 at this point? Both don't have development yet quake 3 has 100x more maps and modes available to play. Why would anyone stick with QL at this point?

you can literally add those maps to the Steam Workshop now.

Q3 is a pain in the ass as you have to install mods then configure the game through archaic menus. Steam QL has spectator features, can be configured even by a newbie who doesn't know how to create and edit a .cfg file, and is centralized. Also has been the most populated Quake game since it came out. Q3 also feels like shit.

yeah most populated because players were coaxed from q3 to ql expecting a better game not knowing that they were contributing to the death of a better game (quake 3)

Quake 3 sucks br0. Sorry to say to break it to you, but it generally isn't very good compared to any modernized game. Just because you became intimately aware of every nuance doesn't make it decent to the general playerbase. Vanilla Quake 3 with no mods is an utter fucking joke by any Quake players standards. So, they didn't contribute to the death of Quake 3, they contributed to the death of the mods of Quake 3 which were doomed from the get go because they were only truly accessible to people who had spent years in the game. Walk a new player through all the configuration and network options of CPMA, see how interested they are after you're still explaining shit 30 minutes later.

And it's worthless because you don't know if the server has custom maps. There is no cvar that will tell you what actual maps are voteable on the server.

- to play modded q3, you need to run exactly two .exe files
- the options menu in cpma is very similar to the one in ql
- I consider GTV and multiview to be better features than health bars and zoomfov values
- Ql is centralized, yet you have to use 3rd party tools such as irc in order to play pickups and tournaments the same way as in Q3
- Q3 is actually much smoother than ql, give cpma 1.48 a try before you start talking out of your ass again

You're truly fucking retarded if you condone the actions of putting a price on a game that has been free all this time with a bait-and-switch. Keep looking narrowly at what applies to you and don't bother the adults.

You're truly fucking retarded if you think QL was free to play. It was free to TRY. There was nothing about Quake Live to anybody more than casually interested that you got for free. Literally fucking nothing. This was more and more stressed as time went on and it became clear the subscription model/centralized servers were not panning out financially for id/Bethesda. You're also truly fucking retarded if you think any developer owes you anything, especially a community as prissy and tight ass and elitist as the fucking Quake 3 community.

I wasn't looking only at me. If you browse this site or watch any competitive Quake games in the last week or two, Sync made it perfectly 100% clear to get your shit on Steam. He couldn't say why, 'cause the upper management at Bethesda would definitely NOT want any part of any player base of any game to not pay for it. You were warned by people who should have definitely not warned you per their own interests and you sit here on ESR crying, as per usual.

Take your adult comment and shove it up your Shambler loving ass you fucking scrub.

"You're truly fucking retarded if you think QL was free to play. It was free to TRY. There was nothing about Quake Live to anybody more than casually interested that you got for free. "

oh how quickly you forgot
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2008-carm...0-6193726/

e3 2008 lo0l

No, Quake Live was advertised as free-to-play, that it would always be free-to-play. It has been free-to-play for six years prior. This is fact, no matter how delusional you are. The bait-and-switch is also fact. The point really isn't about people that already play Quake. It's about how id Software always seems to reach new lows with decisions, or the lack thereof. Yes, it's good you somewhat notice they are merely sock puppets for Zenimax, stripped of identity and unworthy of a name, but you don't seem to realize anything beyond that.

This must be the first free to use thing that's ever changed stance, especially after being bought out by a much larger company :(

why deflect blame on Zenimax. Marty stratton works for id

And you have concrete evidence that going from subscription to one off payment is all down to him do you?

(And this isn't even talking about the fact that tons of users have been clamoring for exactly this change for years, lol, or the fact that by far the majority of anyone that's ever played isn't having to pay anything )

enlighten us mighty yakumo, you always seem to know everything before anyone else and straight from the source.

So who's to blame then if not syncerror?

Don't answer, we all know how syncerror changed title from community manager to managing ql exclusively in 2011 to get away from the scrutiny that he was not communicating with people. He had full reign. When hollenshead left especially. This was adam pyle's baby and as others have stated, he stopped caring and got burnt out and he should have been replaced with someone who still had a fire in his belly. But noone was willing to take that risk despite adam's inability to get quake 4 off the ground.

Now he has 2 quake titles that failed on his resume. Are you going to entrust him to handle quake 5 as well? Or are you waking up to the reality that maybe he wasn't the right person for the job?

You can deflect blame on zenimax and others at id, but only him and sponge were working on quake live and sponge simply took orders from adam.

We got 6 1/2 years of crap noone wanted. Did people ask for devpicks? Did people want maps taken away? It was all a game to get people to subscribe instead of making the playerbase happy.

go ahead, fire up those ffa servers of yours, now that stats are gone, you won't be able to cherry pick who you play against anymore. Too bad we wo'nt see your losses increase now that you'll get some competition in tier 4. ;) You were just as big of a statwhore as q_adrian.

Oh clearly you know everything.




Ahahahahahahahahahahaah

Only 2 devs working on QL? If that's not monopolizing something...

Yes, it's good you somewhat notice they are merely sock puppets for Zenimax, stripped of identity and unworthy of a name, but you don't seem to realize anything beyond that.

Jesus, you really do take this shit seriously.

Sorry but they never fucking advertised for it. They never put a big sign in the game, never made an official announcement on the forums to link your accounts and stuff. Relying syncerror's chat logs in a twitch chat is just expecting everyone to be involved in leagues when it's clearly not the case.

quake_potato really made his point. Once again id advertised like shit to make people know about it. I was lucky enough to show up on the last day and make the mental deduction from what I've read that they would erase everything. It took me 1 fucking hour because of this crappy fucking steam software. I feel sorry for them.

And yes QL was free to TRY. It was clearly stated that it was free to try and if you wanted the full game you had to pay.

People crying over $10. Although I do understand in regards to pushing new players away.

I'd pay it... but then I switched over 3 days ago after constantly seeing people including Sync mention it.

you get a full game with one time purchas, unless you were a subscriber or already had it on steam.
People pay 10 euros for fucking indie platformers you beat in 3 hours, i dunno whats everyones problem

basement dwelling non employed tryhards populating quake until it dies.

Quake has been dead. That's why shitstains like you are all NA has left.

So, what you gonna do now?

Same thing we do every night, Pinky. Only been playing StarCraft 2 and, more recently, Rocket League since the fall. Things are quiet on the video game front, though I did get into the Overwatch beta today. I think I know how that would go.

Quake's been dead because it's old and not particularly appealing to most gamers. Shitstains like me troll devoted fucks like you on sites like these because you have such a deep connection to a series of games you either alias in or else don't even play and haven't played for years.

Yeah, this guy always stresses how he doesn't play. No idea why he comes here to "care" so much.

his gamemode was destroyed

devs didn't care about CTF

people are cunts

WE ARE ALL

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so i put all the maps into this folder:
steeam, steamapps, downloading, 282440, baseq3
buit it still wants to download 1gb
why?

try restarting steam

The maps are inside pak00.pk3 so I doubt you have a way out of this.

i restarted the computer, doesnt worx. fml meh

my monitor flashing when someone hiting me with lg,is that normal now or i can disable that?

cg_screendamage 0

read your statement as "my mother flashing when..."

enough of /b/ for today

Just wait til that bitch goes on sale @ like 75% off. Boom, QL for 2 fiddy.

Thank you bethesda for making game better

http://s22.postimg.org/ct0yeot0x/4234234234324.png

Ah thats why it was updating glad i hadnt uninstalled yet , though im not that sure ill ever play it again...

any way to use my q3 settings in ql? can i transfer my q3 cfg over? i've never really played ql before.

Welcome mate :)

Red: swe_zhu, zhannatti, headz, Fragmaster Blue: JESUS_____, lithz_, Osnart_, dem0n Map picker: Osnart_

Got a pickup starting now with zhu and lith bbl.

nope :'(

Plot twist: if you were a faithful subscriber and didn't turn off auto-renewal in the standalone, then they will keep charging you every year, and they will just ban you when your card will expire. Enjoy!

20:06 gouken • SyncError, do we have to disable our subscription somewhere or have you cancled them all?


20:06 @SyncError • subscription and renewal daemons have been turned off

\o/

You know that it was only a joke right?

Yeah I know =).

Tried mailing support. But email [email protected] seems offline .
:(

Please tell me you didn't actually believe that:)

So, what you all gonna do now?

Just gonna say goodbye to quakelive for a while. For a while because you never know, but 1. No linux client/launcher 2. Steam only 3. Paywall 4. Few other decent online games I would like to play again, will probably keep me away for good.

9.99? wew
that's like, 3/4ths the price of Quake 3 Arena on steam... for like... 1/8th the content! wow wow! sign me up for this hot deal!!!!

with this new update it will basically be a modernized Q3. But keep posting anonymously, I'm sure you were a god in Q3 cause it was so much better than QL!!

Just shut the fuck up you fucking steam kid troll. You don't even play this game so get the fuck out.

played for 7 years and paid for pro for at least 3 of them, get fucked please. sorry I don't join in the perpetual 'whine about everything that isn't perfect in every way for me' ESR mentality of weak ass players like you.

kewl for me its smoother and rail feels better! :o

It's not so bad in general. Ye we need some sort of balancing again (ppl should already be on it), but I play with 35 ping instead of 65.

And font is prettier :D

100% agree, font is $$$ now

I am so, so glad

1Il| don't all look the same any more..

And the shitty Steam GUI is even more beautiful and readable in 640x480.

Really 640*480? So..i guess, welcome in 1995?

Feels MUCH more snappy and crisp than higher resolutions. Welcome in 2015.

250fps at one rez is the same as 250fps at another. If you used to get any drops that's a different matter.
Though there is the idea of matching mouse CPI relatively to screen resolution so there is less interpolation going on.

Zero drops on higher res, mouse cpi 800.

r_mode 5 feels the best.

SyncError, ETA for official Argentina servers back? I saw you did some work in advance on some servers so they were ready for the update, no love for southamerica? :(

Run your own server noob.

FU LOBSTER!

Can someone please tell me what I am supposed to do :

STEAM says I already have the game in Library, but I do not.
I had it free to play on that STEAM account and played it some time.
I have been playing on standalone and have never had a subscription.
Now Steam would not allow me to buy the game for myself.

What should I do ???

Seppuku.

fucking LOL @ people who are Steam-phobic.

fucking LOL @ people who wouldn't spend ten dollars on one of the only multiplayer FPS they play, for many the only multiplayer FPS they play.

fucking LOL @ not having your account linked to Steam yet.

fucking LOL @ Quake players.

hey there buddy!

fucking LOL @ ._o

So fucking true

Steam is shit.

It's not smart to spend monies multiple times on the same thing getting worse and worse.

Steam is shit.

Top kek.

The way they handled the whole switch to steam situation was very sneaky, they did yes suggest everyone to update to before the update didn't state why... Now we know. This was to catch people out who didn't know about the update, didn't want to install steam, or simply didn't get around to it. To charge people who have been playing this game for years in a lot of cases simply because they didn't install before date x is in my opinion is very wrong. You can say "oh they never subscribe so they didn't contribute anything" but a lot of people would not have had the means to subscribe, either simply cannot afford it, their parents didn't agree to subscribe or whatever. They did contribute it might just not have been financially even though this is the only way devs care that you contribute. I myself am stuck in this situation, I have no qualms about paying as it is only £6.99 and it is definitely worth paying for, I just feel it is very unfair for a lot of players who will be in the same boat.

eh, it's not bad. it's sure better than the loadout version.

LOL SO MUCH FOR FREE

Now they are charging 10$

Quake 3 seems like the truly better option at this point

ye so much for free, 200 dollars is almost free.

damn thats a quarter of a nazi gold coin

hm well endsieg now that it is rly a community shooter?

idk whatcha talkin bout willis, i went to steam, it says "play now" on one side and $10 on the other, click the "play now" thing and you get it for free.

That's only if you already own the game like ~3 million people on Steam. The others won't see a "Play now". The price tag you see is to "Buy this game as a gift for a friend".

Just as information, if you had a subscription you can get a key for free.

I asked on IRC:

[22:49] <overflow> hey guys... do i have to fucking buy the game?
[22:49] <overflow> even tho I had a pro subscription?
[22:50] <@sponge-> overflow if you had a pro subscription email [email protected] we're going through requests atm

does anyone has a problem with lacking of any server?

official news or is that to much to ask

the joy and happiness of the people is encouraging

http://steamcommunity.com/app/282440/discussions/#p4

Looks like that little boost that syncerror was so excited about will dip down quite a bit.

steam forum isnt exactly known for intelligent beeings.

Dedicated to the development, misinformation and robbery of Quake Live.

yeah but why is the official forum down ?

official forum is now on steam community page

god were there ever a huge game were hype + release was all cool?
{in quake just little thing like shaft dmg 6 or 7 could serve 4 WW3 i bet}


since Titanfail, Evolve and BF hardline seems all would fail
even Bo3, Fallout 4, Doom 4, ?!? <3 -= QUAKE 5 =- <3

CHILL youngsters [under18 or frustrated 40+]

€ e.g qlranks infamous ELO
from 20 ppl would say 5 finally RIP qlranks
10 1800+ elo cry and
5 touch their dicks as they open cs go cases wonder "w00t rank double dildo? kek+lel"

Is there any changelog or smth to see what's " New " in this last update ?

Quake Live Steamworks Launch

27. OKTOBER - SPONGE

Today marks a new beginning for Quake Live. Last year we expanded our platform to Steam, and today we have retired our old launcher and services in favor of integrating a robust array of Steamworks alternatives. We are now fully utilizing Steam for Friends, Chat, Lobbies, Voice Chat, Server Browser, Statistics, Achievements, Anti-cheat, Trading Cards, and Workshop.

Steamworks Overview

Steam accounts are now used for all player interactions. Players may now use their Steam display name and profile avatar in-game, and still uniquely identify players by SteamId and Profile pages. Steam Statistics will track your progress in-game, and you will instantly be awarded achievements as you earn them, rather than as matches are completed. Improve your teamplay communication by chatting with players using our new Voice Chat. As you play online you can use the player admin menu to select players and send them Friend Invites, and right click on your friends in the Friend List to view their Statistics and Achievements progress.

Start Match & Server Hosting

Our new Start Match feature allows players to run their own Listen Servers which support Internet, LAN, and local bot-match play. And now it is easier for a group of friends to play either Internet or LAN matches through the new Lobby feature. Have a party of friends join one player’s lobby, and the lobby leader can then join an Internet match through the Match Browser or start a listen server of their own – party members in the lobby will automatically migrate to the server so that your friends are all together when it is time to play.

To spawn persistent Dedicated Servers, we have now made the Linux server files freely available on Steam Tools.

Our server functionality has also been greatly expanded, allowing players to define unique rulesets we call Factories, and allow players to define map pools of varying Game Modes and Factories to run on the same server. Players can then move freely between modes, or servers can be configured to run a mappool of one fixed game mode. Server owners now have the ability to also define persistent access list to automatically grant admin or moderator privileges to certain users, or prevent access entirely from banned players.

For more information, please visit here for instructions on how to setup and launch your own dedicated server.

Steam Workshop

Download new maps, gametype variations, player models, and more through the integrated Steam Workshop support. Find something new and cool every day courtesy of some of Quake's most hardcore fans.

As example workshop items, we have three official Workshop items: Quake Live Holiday Pack, Quake Live Extras Pack, and the QuakeCon 2015 Match Settings as examples of how to add both new map content as well as custom factories to Quake Live.

Subscription Service Retired

By retiring our services and subscription service, all players now have the same benefits and features in-game. All players can participate in map voting processes, have full access to customize their game to the same degree as others, and have the ability to run their own Listen Servers and configure their matches to their own liking. Players wishing to have more control over how they play now also have new callvote options, allowing them to opt into some of our newer gameplay mechanics such as Starting Weapons, Global Ammo, and Item Timers. Over time we found that these features were effective in some modes more than others, and so modes like Free For All now have loadouts disabled by default.

If you have an active Pro subscription, and you failed to download the game through Steam before this launch, please contact customer support for assistance[www.quakelive.com].

Code Fixes & Features

In addition to our new Steamworks features, this update is an accumulation of a year of code updates, optimizations, and over 4,500 map fixes. We hope all players enjoy soaking in our new UI, in-game settings menus, spectating features, UTF-8 text chat, True Type Font support, Workshop, and our Stats API. We have had great pleasure working on this project over the past 8 years, and cannot wait to see what the community comes up with in the many years to come.

This is just the steam workshop update news, am sure there are many other " updates " which were done, thats what am looking for.

Details about this : Code Fixes & Features

In addition to our new Steamworks features, this update is an accumulation of a year of code updates, optimizations, and over 4,500 map fixes. We hope all players enjoy soaking in our new UI, in-game settings menus, spectating features, UTF-8 text chat, True Type Font support, Workshop, and our Stats API.

Highly unlikely to release that, they never have for QL before.

what i meant is, what is really new ? there is croush-sliding, grappling hook and voice chat for expl, they didnt really mention all of that in a list.

Heres a very unofficial list of things found for now -

crouch sliding, grappling hook, voice chat, new menu system (with per-option reset to defaults), the whole factory system that lets you change game mode on the fly (if server hasn't disabled it)

actf - (factory): Arena CTF, QW/Q2/CCTF style CTF with grappling hook and runes!


new op commands use /? in game to see list

ban - permbans a player
tempban
addmod (replaces op and i believe is stored on the server so is permanent unless removed)
addadmin - similar to addmod but grants more power
demote (removes privelages)

callvote (and the alias cv) changes :

use just \callvote to list options, but here are the new things -

callvote <thing that needs options> will list the options available.

callvote map <mapname> <factory> - vote for factory (game mode) as well as map
callvote loadouts ON/OFF (default off for most things including FFA ! )
callvote ammo GLOBAL/WEAP (universal ammo on/off)
callvote timers ON/OFF toggle the floating pie chart item timers
callvote weaprespawn
callvote fraglimit
callvote timelimit
callvote clientkick - lets you kick by a clientID but will show name and not number in the vote people see now so it's actually useful.


/players now shows steamID for the players as well

Voice comms - set up in steam settings -> voice, then
/bind v +voice
(v is the default bind)

in team games once the game has started only your own team can hear each other (unless the server sets g_allTalk 1)

i just played few games and must say:

QUAKE WITHOUT ELO SHUFFLE JUST SUCKS !!!!!

@gojira_ i added the workshop link in your post. dont kill me.

Thanks m8!

How do I get my QL friends back.

Sending flowers?

Good idea!
I happen to sell tulips for €9.99 a bouquet. (Yeah I'm dutch.)
I mean, what else could one get for 10 euro's...

I installed the beta. Do i have to change it to normal again to download the final version? Also bot match settings no longer save now :<

No, if you put that beta opt in dropdown back to None, it will just intelligently recognize that the versions are the same now, and do nothing other than remove {Beta] from the game name in your library.

Servers browser now available right from the server. A dream came true ufff

i want to cry :(

We need a website for rankings again. I can't believe the awesome work by the qlrank team is simply lost.

Question: How do I keep my real fov in spec, but enable zoom (with my zoom fov value) when the player zooms?

I find seeing whatever fov the player is playing with pretty useless, but I do want to know when the guy im spectating is zooming (with my settings).

you can't, sorry, there is only cg_specfov 0/1


0 atm leaves it at the last fov you were playing on before spectating, and you can change that at any time still with a bind or cg_fov in the console

1 follows the fov of the player you watch.

it's not transmitting their +zoom state in the network data, it's only transmitting the fov they're on at the time.

Any chances they will add actual zoom data? That's where I see it being useful. Seeing other people's fov seems pretty useless.

Also any ideas of why Vadrigar isn't the default voice?

I don't see why you'd think that's useless when it includes the exact zoom fov that they zoom to... It's not sending the value of their cg_fov its showing whatever their fov is at the time :)

It's not the kind of thing I imagine they'd look at any more, but I was hoping that cg_specview 0 would trigger your own cg_weaponconfig things so you had your preferences. Will have to wait and see whatever may happen in the future if they have to do any other fixes.

What, cg_weaponconfig dont work anymore??

I used to enjoy the fact that when specting the fov would change automatically to whatever weaponconfig I had for each weapon

I only missed the zoom

I just don't care what fov other people are using, spectating in other settings that aren't mine is annoying, so I just wanted to have my zoomfov value and the zoom be triggered whenever someone zoomed, I find this essential.

They haven't all seemed to work when spectating since the previous update months ago, it was odd though, sometimes it did for some weapons for me.

I was hoping it would get fixed to work for all, without bringing back the bad delay when changing as you play, if cg_specfov was 0.

No name colours.

Fuck you id.

You can still have colours in your nickname. You have to edit your name in your steam profil though... (With the old colour commands)

Idk if there is a better way... Would be nice to know since your steam nick looks pretty confusing afterwards..


Edit:

With extraQL 2.0 you can do this ingame aswell:
/steamnick <name>: changes your steam nickname (allows unicode characters)

I struggled a bit with pressing ^ in the console... copied it to the clipboard then :D... i believe there is a smarter way though...

You can create a qlnick.cfg file in your config folder and add the /steamnick .... command in there. Then you can simply /exec qlnick.cfg

You can also put that into gamestart.cfg and gameend.cfg to change you nick back and forth when you start/leave a game.

Ty! ... your second suggestion works nice and is very convenient
Had to try it a a few times before i got it right though... for anyone who encounters some trouble:

- Install extraQL 2.0
- Create the two cfg files: gamestart.cfg and gameend.cfg in your baseq3 folder
- Then type only "steamnick [Your nick with colour codes]" (without the "" and [ ] ofc) in gamestart.cfg
example: steamnick ^4Ship^5OO^4pi
- And "steamnick [Your nick without colour codes] in gameend.cfg
example: steamnick Shipoopi

if you do this, your steamnick only looks weird if you are ingame... thanks for coding extraql btw @PredatH0r

That's great but I noticed that it only execs gameend.cfg if I click leave match. I often just leave by typing /quit in console and then it doesn't load gameend.cfg :/

name colors in your steam name which you can change too.
same as ql.

^7Dyna^3m^7ix

Is there any point to the linking of ql account to steam? Other than bypassing the $10 price?

All the old built in stats are gone, right?

Right.

I'm stuck at a hotel and cant play for awhile but just read there are a ton of changes and the netcode was even tweaked? Is that right?

I also read there is a long list of changes for various other things. great. But um.. how long have these fixes been ready? like if the netcode was fixed/ being worked on, how many threads were ignored by the dev team while self appointed team members like lorfa shit all over people like me for saying something is wrong? literally ganged up on by lpb pub-stars who challenged peoples intelligence and sanity while the only people who knew for sure something was wrong said nothing. ( if true, i'm not sure I can ever get over this.)

Sitting on the fixes to release one big update in order to charge people for it also kinda pisses all over the people who previously paid expecting ongoing updates and fixes as they were ready.

What reason is there to think this backward shit-show of a dev team will be any different after giving them 10 more bucks?

and the netcode was even tweaked? Is that right?

No.

Holy fuck, good thing I checked the Beta during the weekend.
Dodged ze shit bullet.

id cockblocking people who want to play as always.
No limits, only diarrhea.

So basically q3 is now on steam twice, whereas one version has been GPL'd, has proper mod support (good mods inclusive) and costs 20 bucks (which doesn't really matter) and the other version has none of those things, comes with proper steam integration as well as a playerbase and costs 10 bucks. Funnily enough, neither version on steam comes with support for decent operating systems, yet free as in free beer and fully functional packages for q3+mods sit in the repositories of multiple major linux distros ready for anybody to install (provided they have a pak0.pk3 file, which isn't hard to get a hold off for gratis, and can be argued to be ethically correct).

Not only does ql not even try to compete with reflex or other upcoming titles in the subgenre, but it instead tries to compete with the 16-year old game it is a clone of and is just barely winning.

the trailer on the steam page is basically rapha getting raped

It's funny, isn't it? :D

Sponsored by evil™.

well why not if it was Cypher getting raped but actually rapha always wins vs evil so... :)

without the tier system low players just come up, get raped, disconnect, uninstall. also how can i block people in the voicechat? i hear enough russain cykablyat and polish kurwamac in csgo.

there is admin panel where you can check steam profile of the player invite him to friends mute the player and vote kick

Shake screen on hit, this was enabled after update, wtf.

Friends are gone, steam is not very useful in retrieving.

Tiers are gone, no restricted servers with elo shuffle (those were great).

Glad to see new maps and no loadouts in ffa.

Will this mean that we can use custom maps on our servers?

yes ;)

Never thougt I'd say that, but its end of QL for me.
I thought they will port existing configuration, history and stats to Steam, but they destroyed everything, ported the game and lef it to die.
Since noone cares anymore, I decided to follow suit :D
Fuck this mess. Lets hope that Quake 5 brings us back on track. Until then, go play something better than this.

Are you trolling? People all moaning about not having freedom and no ability to modify the game for so long, and when they give us what we want there's still hardcore whine. They can't win? We're like women or something.

Of course I am trolling :D

At least you got the joke.
Point is, so many people in this thread write that its the end its all fucked etc etc that I jokingly decided to join them and dont care and CRY etc.

TBH what happened now is the best thing in years.

As long as Spongebob and Sinkerror are absent from development we're set.

":As long as Spongebob and Sinkerror are absent from development we're set."

They're working on quake 5 atm

Is that supposed to be a threat? :D

Ardor. We all know that theres no pleasing some people.
I on the other hand am perfectly happy they finally unlocked ql.
Theres a huge chance we return fun to ql. Ql needs us and frankly we need ql, junkies that we are :D
Anyway.
This game has lots of potential now and the only thing we can regret is that the devs hadnt done it sooner, instead pissing us off with weird loadouts weapon timers etc.
See you around in new ql, hopefully without cheaters....

Well this means bad players like me will not be able to enjoy duel anymore. Guess ill have to wait for 2gd's game/ Quake 5 now

I've just lost a bunch of friends!!

i still have them... on screenshots. :'(

Wait. How am i playing the game if it's supposed to cost $10 now?

its the cost of 2 beers in a pub, or 1,5 cinema ticket. To have a game you love, for life

it was supposed to be free for life in 2009 according to stratton. They went back on that didn't they. Just wait, gibs and other fun things they add in the near future all will come attached with a pricetag. But each time they do, people like you seem to forget the costs you've paid to date, most having paid about 200$ since 2010

^ this

Or less than a mac donald's menu, depending where you live...

Even doesn't matter where you live lol... easy one-two meals range.

Yeah, and 10€ is also less than 50 bio-eggs, but independent of what medieval food-measurement you apply, the mathematics don't change:

-10€ < 0€

10€ is even less than the price for a sushi meal, but does [id] deserve a single grain of rice for shifting the burden of server-maintenance upon the community after fucking up the game?
From my perspective they turned off f2p overnight without warning, for this reason [id] currently gets bashed by journalists.

Such a super clever plan:
Without public announcement, only ninja-warn those who are 24/7 on esr/irc/twitch-chat/somewhere, so cheaters can't hoard accounts.
But if that was their plan, why don't they now give out free keys via e-mail to standard players that had an account before a certain date prior the transition?

The big picture is that the price tag milks the community, hinders old casuals and won't help to attract new players.

You are right, tho they never stated it's done to stop the cheaters. This was speculation from someone here on esr.

1 U.S. dollar =
3.91204166 Polish zloty

*math*

~14 beers, fuck pubs.

lol i meant how am i playing the game for free if it's supposed to cost money now.

WTF! I sent support an email trying to activate my account for shitty steam and I have not received any email yet?

Quake just up and taking all our money to give to av3k?? what is this crock of shit?

how long do i gotta wait for a steam key? contacted support an hour ago..

i emailed them about 16 hours ago and no response fucking pricks

i got mine back within 3 ;)

16 HOURS MATE, 16 GOD DAMN HOURS

and that "hype" for a 5 year long dead game

>_< <3

One comment that is perfectly serious:

I mean...
It is one thing that devs bailed on us and on ql.
It is another thing that some people here decided to say: screw this, ql is fucked, 10 dollars for a crap dead game, etc, dont buy it dont play it let it die et caetera. Like usual they prophesize that ql is dead (as if that wasnt said in 2008 already) and everything is screwed and whocares.
Who cares? I guess we do, people who played quake as kids\teens and watched it die after 2003-4 and who put so much faith in ql when it launched. I know devs screwed up. But its still quake and now its free from moronic development decisions and restrictions. Its the closest thing we ever got to freedom of other quakes since 15 years.

Now we have a clean slate. We can finally mod ql, toy with options, we have no LOLadouts or item timers and hopefully we can finally play this game for fun and not for stats elo etc.
And vac should do its job fine, even though they unbanned all cheaters (ultimate fuck-you-all parole lololololo).
Cant we give ql some time and see how it all works out.

Bottom line is this: if you love quake you will stand beside it or its next iteration. If you dont, kindly leave it alone. As many of you pointed out already, the world moved on, genre moved on, etc etc. Fine. But for me and many other quakers this game will always be the pinnacle of multiplayer fps.
Imho lets stop complaining and start playing.

i'd love to once i get my fucking key from support

-dropped linux support
-dropped web application and made it standalone
-dropped standalone, deleted friends, clans & stats and made it steam exclusive

omg, this game got so much better. let me give you more money id software.

Yeah.

This is totally right. But, what other option do we have?
Are you going to petition id and get a WHOCARES email in reply?
Its like that with every QL update. No matter what someone will get pissed. Make no mistake, for me getting all 6-yr match history and stats deleted was a wrong move. Fucked up move. The point is, apparently they decided that they wither port QL to steam with loss of all hands onboard the old one, or they close it down.
I too was pissed after seeing beta and finished product. But hey, we should make with what we have. And hope that Quake 5 will be no CoD.

There's no pleasing some ppl. Aw well, like I said - nobody holds anybody in QL. To be honest lots of my friends said: Screw it, my awards which I were proud of, my statsthat showed a connection to the game and experience are gone, no friendlists, clans gone, let's get our asses outta here. And I dont blame them, moreover I have some naughty feelings about all of that as well (to put it mildly). Still, It was expected that this update will alienate even more people.

What's broken is broken, especially when you try to fix it with hammer and chainsaw. QL got broken in 2010-11 and since then the devs got more and more trippy. That last update with hmg and loadouts was the last straw that killed QL momentum for good.

It was a ghost game with no hopes of recovery. We can thank some primadonna parts of this community and some lead developers for that. So they did the only sane thing: Made QL steam-powered for good.

This game now is a loss leader of sorts. It wont get much money from sales (although I hope it does - but if it didnt since 2009 theres small hope for the fortunes to change. On the other hand, market is a biatch and totally unpredictable).

The point of QL now is to attract people to other Z property and probably intervine it with future Quake 5 release. Its role is obviously totally minuscule, but it was apaprently decided that killing the QL would be bad rep. Bad rep for Z, bad rep for id, bad rep for dev team. So QL got put on Steam, abandoned and that's that.

Also, imagine QL now being testbed for developing future Q5 multiplayer.

Sounds unreal, but who knows?

QL's history sure has a lot of "picking the lesser evil" in it.

Yep, and we have to live with that.

Another trainwreck on a railroad full of other wrecks makes..another train wreck. But zero interest from anyone watching. Happened before, happens now.

Many things depend on community....

Like why do we need more maps and an ability to upload them if people vote only the same ones? CTF = Jap castles, spider crossings, ironworks, courtyard.... try to vote anything else. I DARE you.

And servers...they were customizable enough before, so I guess its a placebo update in that regard.

VAC = banhammer better than inept ql support, hopefully community will keep rooting out chaters as well.

No stats = a loss but also a win. No more : I DARE YOU TO DEFY MY GREATNESS I HAVE 45% ACC YOU HAVE 30 BOW DOWN AND RECEIVE MY FISTAGE! But also loss of detailed info about your progress and all of QL history. So kind of a mixed bag here.

No ELO = wild ride as it was in older Quakes. It means no stat whoring but also means wildly unfair matches at times.

No friendlist ported to Steam = somebody should rail Sponge 4 times and MG him while he's shopping at the mall for this atrocity.

No clans = everything has to be done from scratch, if ever.

Weirdo nick coloring issues = you know it so lets just skip this issue in silence(p)

No server bots (?) = afaik there are no bots and wont be...again depends on your point of view. For me it is a mixed bag as well. Some of these bots were abusive and useless, others were less useless but still not useful enough.

Gibs = as I understand it theyre in paid version? If so, big FUCK YOU to devs. Yeah, pay for gibs. Totally pay for them.

The list goes on and on...

So we walked from one mess into another mess. Etc etc.
After a few months we will know where it all went.

When you say they're in paid version? You mean if I delete QL off my steam and pay for it? I thought they were going to be part of a DLC?

Yeah they are part of DLC:

<syncerror> Gibs coming in an 18+ DLC
<syncerror> But we're not allowed to sell it in Germany due to the current rating of QL.
<syncerror> We're not using the Q3 blood.
<syncerror> It's Q3 gibs + new blood effects.
<syncerror> It's jibs.

But afaik DLC will be paid. If not smb correct me on this.

Poor Germans.