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I have the same, sometimes i feel like a magnet :)

I feel like an electron for a proton...

In RL fights.

DO NOT JUMP!

Profit

Sometimes, it can be useful. To jump, I mean. Completely depends on situation.

Not in a fight on the same platform.

I really don't see it. no.

Point close shotgun while being on the opponents' head is a fun way to make people rage.

actually jumping can work if rocket is going straigh to your face.

sometimes. like one in a 100 times.

1 / 100? Practice your dodging, dude. :> If it's not point-blank range, it's pretty easy to jump over straight rockets.

There are situations when you achieve more by jumping. You can't describe every fight with 1+1 rules written in stone.

Generally, it's better not to jump, but there're are exceptions is all what I'm saying..

i prefer cooller dodge than dahang dodge :b

always mistime the jump :S

while I think you talk too much again, try this:
cg_projectilenudge [yourping]

DaHanG seems to be able to jump over all the rockets. I think that's his special skill. Don't think I've ever seen him fail at jumping a rocket :o

CA teaches you how to easily jump over rockets from people that shoot for directies.

forward, backward, forward + jump, left, right

ezpz

Then, if you play a real game mode, surprise.

And I don't...

dont jump in fights period

Play alot of 1v1 CA vs a rocket heavy player.

But you're offline :(

Play alot of 1v1 CA vs a rocket heavy player.

Play alot of 1v1 CA vs Liliq_ until you want to hang yourself out of rage. Gave me good rockets in the long run (srs).

inb4 suicide though

be russian/polish


cg_playerlean 0 to remove false dodge.


wait with your shots for the right moment.

The thing is, I am russian... I guess I have somebody else in my blood as well :(

apparently :D

srsly, remove playerlean, and be patient with rockets.

also: with semi decent lg, you will always hit enemy with more or less splash damage, by just following his feets.


i also think dodge is more important in rocket fights, than rockets itself.

It certainly gives you a little edge if

C O O L L E R
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is your father.

From my poor experience i'd say dodging rockets in a plain open fight (like the start of CA) is about timing them, making fakes and dodging in 3D. Expecially with LG.
Also dodging always the same way it's not what you want to do very often.
If the problem are behind-the-corners rockets in Duel probably you are rushing your decisions on how you go through that corner.

Shooting rockets in a CA-style fight is about taking your time and keeping the dodge going untill the shot comes to you. And train how to follow that up properly.
Bouncing your oppo with the first rocket is the best because you make his aiming harder too.
Also it's easier to miss directs by a wide marging (at least for me) and even a 50hp hit really messes up the dodging options.
So i'd say it is about knowing when (both when to shoot it and when to switch RL to LG and viceversa), where (both where to place the shot and where to take a fight) and predicting your opponent.

If you recognise patterns in others dodging, rox are at their best and can be devastating.

Learn from the master? Aka watch cooller demo's ... :)

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/dinosaur

clearly doesnt hack

Clan Arena
9048925551299%61%

Free For All
60459990599%15%

Duel
141480100%57%

% = winrate

from this you should be able to deduct he surely isn't with this accuracy

Don't think he does, I've played him quite a bit. He's just a shitty who camps jump pads and only uses LG when he knows he'll hit 60+. If you're basing your assumption on his accuracies, that is. Also, he's really good at keeping himself in tier 3, probably because his weapon selection/shots are 100% aimed at keeping his accuracies high.

Feel free to correct me, though.

lol he goes hard, then he uses gauntlet only for bout 2 - 3 games straight to knock his skill level back down

ins can give you very good RL tips. It's basically about not rushing your shot, but waiting an extra half second/second to get the perfect shot. ins is the master of that.

I can only hit rockets if I either react instantly to an enemy (flick rocket) or if I wait and hold my rocket during fights so the enemy dodges expecting a rocket, then I shoot.


If I just naturally aim them and fire it always misses. Also my rocket when using accel is always beast, when not using accel it's always shit.

But I think it's got more to do with my m_yaw being lower than m_pitch (I do this when using accel, gives x/y axis their own feeling)

A mistake that I always make was moving towards players with lg, when you should actually be keeping your distance, for that exact reason.

Close range you should be using rockets or SG, higher fov and fast sens tends to improve it.

vs rockets just time the shots, and go backwards a lot.

When LGing and opponent is RLing you shoulnd't dodge like you do LG vs LG. Also weapon switches play a big role in combats, switching to RL when he's just about to dodge predictably.

catch av3k at a good time he stayed on one server in warmup for a long time just doing plasma and rockets vs everyone and hes very hard to hit.

(basically just practice in warmup vs someone good)

yeah catch avek on a server in warmup shooting rockets with every noob in spec waiting in line
(that actually happened to me once :D, we shot some rockets in warmup on dm13, told him i thought he has the best rox in ql not cypher, he said nah cypher does, then he said in close range shoot rockets slowly, in long range shoot fast, to reduce as much as possible the space the enemy has to move, limit his movement options. oh and he said best xair for rockets is a small one. thats all i can rmber from that time)

1. dont move mouse (or very slowly, following his dodge) and dont shoot yet , watch his movement
2. shoot first one calmly, not trying to go for a full hit, anywhere will do, just hit
3. repeat n2 until he's in da air or until the bounces from the first rockets u shot allow u an easy face or air rocket (ofc, if he got bounced after the first rocket go for the facial or airox right away)
4. at this point, if ur doing it right and get a little lucky, you're bouncing him all over the place with rox in close or semi close range like pimp with a lazy hoe in a tiny motel room

rule is wait, dont rush first shot and especially dont rush facials/airox. build the facial/airox situation by hitting small shots, splash rox that will bounce him/fuck his dodge/give u easy shots

best combo in ql is lg-rl (especially in close and semi close fights), cuz u get a lock with the lg in da start, u dont have to hit 40 lg, just hit some, then switch to rl and hit almost everytime a very strong rocket (the lg in da start gave u the lock). repeat this (lg-rl lg -rl) or just stick to rockets after the initial lg and switch to rl and bounce him and get the kill. it's surprising how much dmg you do with this lg rl combo, even if u dont hit alot like i said, just the wpn switch will yield super dmg and you'll be surprised how fast he'll die

as for cfg, ofc for rox the best is highsens/accel but as 99 percent of ql players dont use my type of cfg (different settings for each weapon) it's up to u how high u can go and not fuck up ur hitscan at the same time

about the lg-rl-lg-rl combo you mention:

no, its not an actual lock from the lg that makes the next rocket so strong, but rather the weaponswitch, that automatically makes your hands and your opponent respond.

agree that its effective.

t. small ca-pro

oh and as far as where to practice, dont do it on servers, go in a practice ca game, then do /devmap *whatevermap*, then /addbot sarge 100 r or b - depending what team u are red blue(3 bots is max u can add while u being alone in ur team), /god /give all then shoot rockets or whatever

"addbot <name> 100" doesn't do anything, does it? Isn't 5 the highest skill a bot can have?

yeah could be they suck anyway. didnt test, maybe im doing addbot 100 out of habit

-devmap thunderstruck
- timescale 2
- profit

Vor told me about that shit ages ago. Tried it once, went into a CA game and it was like being in the fucking matrix after playing at that speed

u'd think that, but it just fucks up your aim. tried

nice to come to esreality and see threads actually talking about quake

I'm dog shit with rockets most of the time but I find that not trying too hard to predict where people will go helps.

Often enough you can 'overpredict' where someone is moving to and get shitty high pitched hitbeeps because you're just not aiming at them. In general, actually aim relatively near them unless you're miles away (in which case - railgun brah)

With dodging, I always found I had a problem of doing diagonal strafing a lot, and I'm sure most people also unconsciously do as well (it's just habit since you're diagonally moving to strafe jump). If you think about facing someone directly opposite you, which would be the more drastic movement change/speed. The guy moving slowly closer/further away and to the left or right of you, or the guy swinging wide left and right.

shooting towards the opposite direction of the opponent's movement tends to work in (semi)long distances

general
-post a demo of one of your worst games
-in warmups try to dodge only, it's good practice
-focus less on hitting and more on dodging

against rockets
-general tips dont really help because they ignore the most important thing, your position in the map and the enemy's position, that changes everything every time
-don't forget that +forward and +back are great to confuse
-if in doubt, simply +back
-jumping does work against rl but you need to practice it and learn when and how to do it, it's a risk that might pay off (example: stermy-rapha dm13 qcon 2010 at RL platform 10:45)

with rockets
-aim at feet
-practice