it already exists, many professional tournaments have pools of 5, 7 or 9 maps, and after the cointoss, drop-drop-drop-drop-pick-pick-with the last map being played in case of a 1-1 tie (2-2 tie in case of a best of 5).

Welcome to esreality and to competitive quake, hope you enjoy your stay here <o7

but they limit it to 5 or 7 or 9. what about leaving it with total. say there are 16 maps that are playable for duel. why not leave it at 16, instead of trying to change it (Limit it) to 5 or 7 (Which is what most leagues use)

There are currently 12 maps available for competitive duel (14 if you include 2 maps that were not considered competitive in QuakeLive duel since 2008/9).

First of all, it can't be from 16 since an even number would not work for duels: both players need to drop and pick even numbers, with the last map needing to be neither picked nor dropped by both players to contribute to an even playing field: neither players chose to pick nor drop this map, so it's perfect when a tie is needed.

The reason the maps are limited to 5 or 7 is for both a competitive and an administrative benefit:

1) most tournaments start with a bo64/bo128 round and each game involves some time involved for map picking by the players. Both players cointoss and eliminate maps, which normally involves a !cointoss to determine first dropper/picker, and either picks or drops until only the last map is left. it normally involves one of the players (or an admin in a special case) copy+pasting the list for their convenience, then they drop. One cannot personally fathom what sort of clusterfuck it would create if EVERY round involved 15/17 maps. Who wants to drop/pick maps for 15 minutes, especially if:

2) Competitive QuakeLive players are reasonable, but elitist. Each player has spent some time getting to know the maps they play on, and everyone has a fairly good opinion on what is good from a competitive point of view, and what isn't, and generally speaking, major maplists tend to follow the community consensus of what is popular to play and what is not, since leaving out popular or competitively played maps would create a community outcry of "OMG WTF WHERE IS AEROWALK?!?!?!" and adding a random "wildcard" map would, in any tournament, showcase the map being dropped in EVERY round or game. Works in any gametype, be it duel, tdm or ctf. Trust me, I have created or casted enough games and events in both

3) The maps that wouldn't be in the top 5/7/"9" would get dropped bar one or two. On the link above, should you wish to click on "results", you will notice that there are the current result of a poll for the ZOWIE QL duel tourney, where 4 out of the leading 5 maps are currently at the top of the list. Granted, it is just the first day but few things could change, bar an internal "VOTE FOR DISMEMBERMENT LOLOLOLOLOLO" campaign or something

O ok, makes total sense. thanks!

"most tournaments start with a bo64/bo128 round and each game involves some time involved for map picking by the players"

i dont think thats really true?

Last ZOWIE QL cup had 79 signups, before ins crashed the site and we had to switch to an impromptu (btw thanks to twister for spending time on doing the brackets for that <3) challonge bracket (or tourney.cc, don't quote me on this, but a free cup management system).

Every FaceIT online cup gets at least bo64 round first, at least, with the opening FACEit cup having a bo256 (with a fuckton of r1 BYEs though, but still). :j

I even hosted a CPM cup with no prizes in early september with 40 signups, all it took was the right type of promotion, so there's nothing surprising about QL cups having bo64/128 rounds, especially if you consider that you need more than 65 check-ins for a bo128 round

I see. I guess I was thinking about the bigger LAN tournaments with a limited number of invites

The reason is simple. If the pool has greater than 5 maps the drop/pick process begins to take too much time and becomes a drag on the tournament. At least in LAN tournaments it would certainly be a nightmare dealing with a dozen tables of competitors starting matches and having to have admins oversee an incredibly lengthy pool process.

Even online it would be a bit bothersome.

Beyond that, I like the idea - but then that leads to the fact that most competitors prefer a 5 map pool because it becomes difficult or unrealistic to request the competitors to heavily practice a large pool of maps just because they may be selected. Yes, professionals *should* be able to play and compete on anything you throw at them, but you'll have better, more exciting, and spectator worthy matches if you keep the pool size more manageable.

its called heroes >:(

stopped reading at Player 2 Bans Bloodrun

Unlike Dota, you dont lock certain possibilies by banning certain maps.

Example: If you ban Furious heights it wont make any difference to the gameplay on bloodrun.

I agree, there is no added depth beyond learning additional maps as in ther is in mobas.

From a newbie spectator and player point of view less maps is preferable, them they have a chance to learn and understand each map and viewers can understand what is actually happening. Maps with as few teleports as possible would be preferable.


I would actually suggest the opposite. Select maps at each round in the announcement of the tournament so players know what to expect.

This system was used with great success in Battlefield to be able to plan pcw months ahead with a large map pool ( 14 available maps iirc) in league and tournament play.

This will also make it easier to find practise games and also the rotation of maps is more managable in the long run.

it is more entertaining watching players on their best maps

I dont see anybody in ql ever mastering 16 duel maps

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Haha, yeah, cooller is the prime example of mastering many/new maps.

good thing he didn't lose out on the qcon title in 2004 because of aerowalk. ¦]

yey he won one ql LAN

You know, I sort of like the idea. I think it's a shame that we have to give up some maps to play others. For example, I'd much rather see tourney9 than Aerowalk and I actually find Battleforged pretty fun these days.

This is obviously more time consuming than the current model and Sync has a point in this MOBA-style ban/pick giving us less intense games on more maps rather than very intense games on a few.