I dunno, you probably aren't good enough to utilize the difference.

yea :/ although i like a bit of laggy feeling to it. i play with m_filter 1. but i also use alot of accel

100 Hz CRT.

120hz lcd. Move on.

crt for eye cancer but super smooth no ghosting almost nill input lag or 120Hz lcd for good eyes, low input lag and almost no ghosting + less weight/volume

whats your source that tells lcd is better for eyes? because thats actually something that makes the decision easier

Google it, I am too lazy to explain. Short: lcd's are a lot better for your eyes than crt's.

i trust that without googling. thanks, now give me 200euro^^

i have used both and it's a massive difference concerning eye fatigue.

EDIT: Concerning crt's nowadays i would consider only something like Sony GDM FW900. It would have all of the inconveniences of a any other crt tho.

thx

We all trust xkcd, right?

CRT = radiate your face.

one year CRT usage equals eating ten bananas if i got my math straight

lol that's nearly nothing

True, true. I wonder how much the average QL player sits in front of a CRT in a year compared to whatever metric the infographic uses.

LCD's are much more tiring for my eyes - and I'm not talking about the shitty ones.

Basically, it comes down to personal preference, but I think, that top CRT's are still better regarding image quality, colors, contrast, refresh rate and input lag. Not to mention that they are ridiculously cheap.
The only "thin" monitors which are able to at least somewhat compete with them are starting at roughly 300 $.

thats why i mentioned sony gdm FW900 ;)

Yeah, but that's not the only one. Most of the pro-Trinitron / Diamondtrons are like that.
Besides, the FW900 is rare and expensive. : P

120hz LCD if it has really low input lag, like LG W2363D (0 input lag).

If you cant get a good (as in input lag) 120hz lcd, i would chose a CRT.

got any tips for a crt monitor? :)

I had a LG Flatron f900p and it was awesome, i prefer 19" its the sweetspot for CRT imo. There are some good sony's too.

Do you think this monitor is good enough: Samsung 955DF 19"
Afaik you got more experience than I have with CRT monitors, As I've never actually had a CRT monitor :)

Don't waste money on buying a new CRT monitor. People want to get rid of them nowadays.
If it's only for quake then just get anything that can display 640x480 or 800x600 @ 120 hz. You can buy used one very cheaply or even get it for free.
I found mine on a small advertisement site where ppl give stuff away or sell it for low prizes.

Link please! Thanks for your response :)

it's a polish site. You need to figure out yourself where ppl sell such things in your country. It may be a site like that or maybe a local market with electronic/pc components if you have such things.

edit: Or just ask your friends if they don't have a CRT getting dusty in the attic. Most 'modern' CRTs can display 640x480@120 and some ppl tend to not throw away such things when they stop using it.

Here's a few:

IBM ThinkVision C190
IBM P260
IBM P275
Eizo FlexScan F931
Iiyama Vision Master 454 Pro
ViewSonic G225fB
Sony GDM-F520
Sony GDM-FW900
Sun GDM-5410 (which is basically a Sony)
Dell P992
Dell P1130
Dell P1230
HP P1230
Apple Studio Display

Most of them are ridiculously cheap, despite the top-noch image quality and refresh rates.
You can find many of them in a really excellent condition.

any other viewsonics I should search for, or others in general?

Owning a "pro" crt screen would be nice.

ViewSonics are generally good stuff.

Yeah, it IS nice. : )

How much would you pay for an ibm p275 and what problems should I look for?

Seems like I found someone selling lots (last sale update is from a couple weeks ago), so it means it was probably a cybercafe.

Well, if it's used, its price should be around 40-55 $ - if it is in an excellent condition.
Black ones may be (but not necessarily) a bit more expensive.
If you are lucky, maybe costs a bit less.

If I had the money, I would gladly pay even 75-80 $ for it if it's flawless, but that amount of money should be considered overpricing.

Here's the User's Manual:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/m...045250.pdf

It's a DAMN GOOD monitor. Like IBM-stuff in general. The OSD-menu is simply effective and easily understandable. I would definitely like to have one, it's clearly a professional choice by any means.



Well, what to look out for?
Scratches on the plastic and on the screen, brightness or contrast problems (try the lowest and highest settings too), blurriness, discolouration due to magnetization around the screen edges.
If there's a problem, try to degauss it first.
Bring *jpgs with yourself, both artistic ones (with a lots of detail) and single colored ones (like fullscreen blue, green, red, black, white). Try out, if 1600 x 1200 works properly on 100 Hz.

The visible lines on the screen (especially when the background screen color is light, like white) are normal for a Trinitron monitor. These are shadows from the damper wires used to stabilize the aperture grille.

Look closely at the cables and look for a small amount of rust on the D-Sub connector's pins.
There are also some little utilites internet-wise, which testing the monitor's hardware too, like convergence, colors, refresh rates, geometry and so on.

If you have a bit more money, you can color-calibrating it with proper hardware (not software).
There are professionals who do this for you, usually around ~30-40 $. It's worth the money, but if you do that, never ever touch the brightness, contrast and color controls again (not even in your VGA drivers - of course ingame \r_gamma and \r_contrast is another thing).


GLHF.

This guy knows what hes talking about.

Thanks. I try to help if I can.
Being a geek come in handy sometimes. : D

THATS DAMN RIGHT! GEEKS 4 LIFE

THAT'S DAMN RIGHT.

in short, I'll ask if he still has one, get an "expert" with me and print this post

Probably not a bad idea.
Take your time examining and testing the product. Worths the time.

guess iīll buy a samsung LED one of these days. cheers mate

i have a iyama vision master pro 450. i think that used to be PRO a decade ago :P

Rest assured, it still IS.

well this one isnīt. it lost lots of display quality and sharpness. i think ill get this!!!

HannsG HS233H3B

130 euro sumtin!!!! will be good enough im sure

That's a single product defect, it doesn't mean that the exact model is not a pro solution nowadays.


I would buy a nice 21" Trinitron / Diamondtron in excellent condition and color calibrate it with a technician, all this for about ~60 EUR. But it's your money, your decision.

shut up man. i miss this monitor already

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You still can buy another one with the fraction of the LCD-price. For about at least 5 of them for the full price.
: P

mitsubishi diamond pro 2070sb
1280 x 1024 @ 50 to 127 Hz
2048 x 1536 @ 50 to 86 Hz

was quite expensive back then
got it for ql a few years ago and it has served me very well :)

Those are really-really nice too.

IMO, if you have a decent screen, be it LCD or CRT... and it works fine, and you are not a professional gamer, then you have more money than sense if you want to buy a new screen "for that extra edge".

I just bought BenQ 24" LED XL2420T, and its awesome. The only down side though its the response time .......... LED works good for gaming to!

The response time.

BTW you didn't got it around 40 $ I presume. : )

nah, I got the badass one :D

Well, if it's just image quality and refresh rates, I would stay with pro-Trinitron / Diamondtrons, for the fraction of the price. : P

:D

i donīt want the extra edge, i want my eyes to be ok. it would be a nice thing if i can keep my sensitivity in quake

CRTs and LCDs follow the same norms when it comes to level of electromagnetic radiation. It all comes down to visible part of EM spectrum and effectively - eye strain. If your monitor causes you eye strain then it's unhealthy and you should do something about it.
Calibrate it (ale these advanced calibration settings in CRTs are very important so take your time and do it properly), switch to 6500K color temperature, lower the brightness, run at high refresh rate, take regular breaks. If it doesn't help then try another technology like LCD.
I personally use LCD on my laptop and external CRT. LCD causes me more eye strain than CRT.

edit: I can't stress it enough - lower the brightness. Lower it even more when it gets darker. In fact you should set it to 0 and then keep raising it until it's just enough.

i actually do that mate :D i read stuff about monitor light shifts your sleeprythm and such