Nice 0ne! I will watch later!

nett!

t4 = hub3

not

it's crazy how killsen & madix kept hitting rails while being on low hp.

its crazy how boring players play boring maps a boring way.

don't play CA then

newb

baguette?

nop, fromage.

;D

la grenouille

i'm a raged frog's cheese in a baguette.

Let me guess. Your favorite wall in your room has a Justin Bieber poster on it.

ill like to order tandoori chicken, and make it fast please.

Any food item that comes directly in contact with heat is carcinogenic sir. Barbecued chicken is one of the primary reasons behind cancer.

Since you're from a country whose flag says as much about your brain sir, I'd recommend you get yourself a science journal and make it fast, please.

I like living on the edge, so make my god damn chicken. And if I want some advise ill ask the intelligent Asians.

India is in Asia, so that makes me an Asian. Your geography is as poor as a republican's opinion of democracy.

I'm not the most intelligent bloke around but hey, how hard can it be to spell a word called 'advice', even while we're handing it out to delinquents like yourself? :P

And no, I ain't making you shit. Go "earn" your chicken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people
And no i dont proofread my post on the interwebs.
My time is more valuable. But hey I could outsource it to some Asian guy, u know anyone?

fuck outsource

i want chicken

Just kill Vium and fry him!

You have enough free time to post on this board, obviously, so taking an extra 5 seconds to proof read a few sentences should not be hard.

should just use a proof reading bot

You would, if you COULD.

ye I would outsource it, you up for the job?
Requirements:
Awesome nitpicking skills.
Obviously gay.
Can cook some nice chicken.

You meet the requirements so feel free to apply.

I do not work for clients who:

1. Never finished school
2. Search Wikipedia for insults
3. Are broke

You meet all the pre-requisites of douchebaggery. Feel free not to reply.

now I know why demiurge bumped that thread ;((((((((((((((

true dat

Say what now?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1920875#pid1920875

tl;dr

Well I don't have the same strict requirements, your obvious lack of education have no effect for the job I have in mind and you are more than welcome to find inspiration on the interwebs. I’m willing to pay one dollar a day. (A fortune)
What I do appreciate is the awesome knowledge of celebrities you possess, especially your knowledge about Canadian rnb/pop artists.
This could really come in handy when posting random irrelevant replies. When you are out of mediocre trolling, you can always succumb to nitpicking, which I appreciate a lot. (Fun fact, find the 30 errors in this text and ill double the pay)
So I'm still very interested in our future cooperation, so contact me on [email protected].

This wall of text simply coz you couldn't take a Justin Bieber joke? Really? You called some of the finest players of T4 boring, so it was a jab at your definition of entertaining.

Keep at it. You'll get it some day.

entertaining t4 players: Fazz, strenx, czm, zero4 and ofc mr. pimp.
boring t4 players: +b rail heavy raging Gerswedes.

so you have an email at imbeciles.com?

why am I not surprised...

i can get u one for free, like nobodycares@......

ahh t4, the map for people who suck @ LG

I was actually going to reply in a subtle manner but i have chosen to just bask in the greatness of that mighty statement you have made sir.

You mean the map people whine about who suck @ rg

makes no sens...

if u dont see it doesnt mean that there is no sens

Love da k1llsen style

Ahh T4, the map where people can't just out-time other people to win.

if you are not even willing to time, why would you play duel in the first?

I didn't say anything about "not timing" :>

t4 mega map imho... t4 in map list!!!

1 rail - no mega.
2 rails - no mega and no ya.

Long live Germany (- Jew killing). Really, we didn't really do anything.

Growing up, nobody could tell I was Jewish. I have a British name and I look like my Irish Catholic mother... but, the instant I informed long-time friends of my I was Jewish, they wanted to dismember me and cook me in their small-ovens. It's not good.

It's funny though, how appearances can be deceiving. You see, I look white (enough anyway), and I have a British name, so people take me as white (despite the fact I take after my father, in practically everything but appearance). My brother though, does not look white (most people thinks he's Mexican), and has a not-so-British name (Benjamin), but he actually takes after his Catholic mother (can't keep his mouth shut - always confessing this or the other to random strangers).

I still don't understand though, why me being white or not-white makes any difference. I have learned though, that people accepting me as white has such a great deal of advantage. It's all different online, of course, which is one of the things I like about the internet. I mean, I could be a 15 year-old girl, and who would know any different?

you are also fat, which is how people know you are American.

they named a raid boss after you in DDO - Jonesy the Round.

And who gives a shit?

did u see this demos?
all this demos is the proof that t4 only rail map, how boring and stupid...

Oviously it's rapha's favourite map because it's boring and stupid and only rail.

did u see this demos?
all this demos is the proof that t9 only spam map, how boring and stupid...

Both are shit tbh.

you seen z4 play pt4 in q3 ?

How incredibly boring to watch, especially in large quantities. This map can't ever get close to dm6 in terms of speccing.

Even speccing dm13 is a less yawn-inducing experience.

yes, after a while it gets boring. but tbh, it would be the same for dm6

yes, after a while it gets boring. but tbh, it is the same for dm6.

Typo fixed!
:)

I can`t believe ppl saying dm6 is better to spec then both dm13 and t4..., I can`t stand watching dm6 , while dm13 is very nice and t4 as well ... t9 might be the most boring map for spec besides dm6.

Dm6\Dm13 depend on who is playing them and in what manner, I'd say. But t4 is always boring, I can't put my finger on why. Playing it is interesting, but speccing is like an exercise in angelic patience. I would say it's too small and there's too much rapid shooting usually, but then again, hub can be described in the same manner, but it's great to spec.

T4 seems to be a placeholder map right now, especially in the wake of the new maps announcement.

I don't mind it one bit. Stop the hate.

This is just one way to play it. k1llsen and me who are both really strong with rail will naturally railwhore a lot :o)
When I played fazz in the showgame after the finals we both had most used weapon rocket launcher :O

that's exactly the point. if you for example watch strenx on dm6, you gona think "god, that shit map is so lg-only", but if you see cooller/rapha/cypher on it, you gona think "wheee, that's a pretty rocket-based map :O". it alltimes depends on the players fevourite weapons, how each individual map is played. so dont blame the maps, for giving several ways, to get played.

Give back jibo on t4 ! The man was/is a positioning genius.
I enjoyed watching it so much back in ze GTV days.

troo.

Give back Jibo, period. 8<

troo.

Manju 2 should have moarrr t4 frags.

Hey, someone watch this demo "Madix vs TroubleGirl"? That slovenian girl is good? I will see later.

Link:
http://www.esl.eu/eu/quakelive/1on1/t4_summer1/download/22208462/

I heard she looks like Pamela Anderson...

i admire her for playing.

I would never like to beat a girl at quake though :|

Im not one to discriminate, I gave it all I had.

you mean you raped her totally?
you RAPED a girl? c'mon :p

neither am i,its just i was raised better ;p

claiming you wouldn't want to beat a girl is way worse as giving it all you have.

The first is a extremely arrogant/discriminating statement, where you assume you are going to win just because you are a guy and she is a girl. While in the second option you approach the game the same weather your playing a guy or a girl.

Regardless of skill i would still feel bad if i won,if i lost i wouldn't hold it against her then well played she played well etc etc.

Magician is right, you were not raised better.

Apparantly you were raised to treat girls like little children, i.e. don't beat them at games, cause htey might start crying.

That is not respect.

That's where you are wrong, I was raised better in a society where we treat genders equally. This is a game where guys does not have the physical advantadge.

\o/ hooray for topless in swimming pools \o/


I guess it's probably just like nude beaches everywhere: age 50+.
But never mind that now!

you weren't.

its all good, ive managed to get becks to post here,so my job is done.

hardly an achievement.

Getting me to not post in a thread, now that would be something ;)

but we know you like giving your input regardless of the set topic :P

so, she any good?

Why the hell female gamers always feel the need to show in their nicknames their genders?

lol, selection bias. You don't know about the ones who don't tell you their genders in their names because they're keeping it hidden, dipshit.

Why would you insult me?

When in rome.

EDIT: Seriously, if you don't go all aggro on this site it's impossible to make a point because you get trolled with pedantry and silliness. Look at vedic wasting his time creating huge yes/no chains or people picking apart the meaning of 'exhibition' game.

not really.

Unless you have selected stunt as your role-model.

Guess fish don't see water either

maybe, but they do know they way around it.

can birds see beneath the surface, though?

He's American. Don't make him fuck your shit up for questioning his reasons to randomly insult a stranger.

Majority of male gamers have male names.

No. :) neutral names are the huge majority

Just looking at this thread quickly:

jonesy
gladius
supersexyleetmegaruler
josh
becks
madbringer
Lejionator
Magician
clitsucker

all have more of a male connotation.


and if butchji is neutral then so is liefje.

sorry you are trying to hard. :)

magician is a neutral word google it.
clitsucker could also be a lesbian
no idea what lejjonator means but why would it be male?
madbringer male? I don't see madbringerBoy or some bullshit ;o
becks? I assume you are a fan of the beer which is "Beck's" - Beck is just a surname
etc etc.

never said anything about liefje but I have no idea what it means - besides I have nothing against a name like "Sandra" being used, but always feeling the need to add "-Girl" at the end of the name seems odd.

maybe you should try googling "connotation" first ;)


my point is that if you ask a group of people (preferably half of them male and half of them female)and listed nicknames without linking them to games, and them ask them whether they think it is a guy's or a girl's nickname. Then more people would say that it is a guy's name for these examples.

E.g. Words with -nator like Terminator, Dominator, etc. are usually used for males, confirm Terminatrix. (Chrushinator being the sarcastic exception :P)

The vast majority of magician's is male, hence it has a male connotation, and so on.

Becks has also become the nickname for David Beckham, so there is a male connotation. I have heard it for females, short form of Becks or Rebecca, though (Fuck this is becoming humiliating :P)


Anyway, maybe you should just try it, ask a few people if they think a nickname like madbringer is a guy a girl (or a gay pole)

Why would you think I don't know what connotation means? I already said I don't see the connection to males. I think it's neutral.



Btw what the hell: no one could've thought you are a Beckham fan. :X So I would think first you are female because you take the name of your male fantasy! Guys could also name themselves "Alba" because they adore Jessica Alba, eh?

If I would name myself "barber" or "hairdresser" you would think I'm female?

well, you assumed you don't know was magician means ;)


also I only heard the Beckham nickname thing long after I had chosen "becks" everyone in our clan had to have beer names (young, needed money, etc :P )
Still, I think the probability of a guy chosing a beer name is just so much higher, therefore a beer name gets a male connotation and therefor a female is less likely.

If I would name myself "barber" or "hairdresser" you would think I'm female?

hairdresser I would see as a true neutral term.
barber I would think it more likely that you are male, becuase of the barber shop tradition, etc.


But maybe we are, in a way, both correct:

Guys in the past have chosen more neutral names as well a male names, while females chose more female names. (roughly your point) Because of that, by now many formerly neutral names gained a male connation, which now makes it "easier" for males to pick one and less easy for females as it becomes a bit like "disguising" theselves with a male name. (roughly my point)
What do you think?

by now many formerly neutral names gained a male connation, which now makes it "easier" for males to pick one and less easy for females as it becomes a bit like "disguising" theselves with a male name. (roughly my point)

This is interesting, I never thought of it that way. But you're right. If you see a neutral word in a nickname, you tend to assume that it's male by default, I always do that. And unless a neutral nick explicitly states that she's a girl, nobody thinks so. Well, that's only true for English-speaking areas of Internet, of course, there's nothing gender-revealing in English language and you have to go by nicks.

there's a male cpm player who calls himself cow, your logics fail!!1

there is also a cpm player who calls himself funny but isn't.

Cpm players are the exception to the every rule.

if i hadnt stopped playing cpm i'd be sort of offended

but then again you're just a beer. if becks has a male connotation, would naming yourself miller or corona be female?

naming after miller would fit a horse.


(We actually had both miller and corona on our team, at some point, but never mind that now!)

Cuz they are SHE, maybe? And you like to use female or male nicks?

Oh, they are she. Someone should've told me earlier.

:)

Prove or it didn't happen ;P

id rather watch k1llsen play clan arena tbh :D

ah, the gametype that killed quake

good times

My thoughts exactly, CA killed tdm and ctf

bastards i tell you, i mean ctf and tdm back in osp days

[nostalgia] :< [/nostalgia]

yeah its so sad that CA is the most fun gametype atm, who woulda thought :>

nubs

It's fun to pub, sometimes. But tdm and ctf with competition are way better.

not untill they come with a fresh (and good) _batch_ of maps.

playing everything we played 7 years ago...

no.

I hear this alot, but I still wonder- how did CA do that when TDM/CTF have been waning for awhile now?

Seems to me that like it or not, CA is what helps bring in and/or keep people new to the game. I like TDM & CTF and all, but it would be nice to have a mod that some of us who haven't been playing for a long time can have a chance to make something out of like CTF & TDM have had done for them. Not our fault the mod needs more support and some changes to flourish.

as a newb i used to play ca all day long. it's fairly simple, the movement is much easier and forgiving thanks to no selfdamage and you will improve your aim rather quickly. ql is still missing the ra3 arenas though.

I mostly play CA right now, and used it to improve my aim and that is what kept me hooked into trying other gametypes. I haven't ever played any of the ra3 arenas, but I would really like to see them in QL.

there were enough people when q3 came out. most of them didnt stop playing, rather they moved into ra3. that is one reason why it ruined q3

i think new quakers just aren't having as much fun playing CTF or TDM as they are playing CA. Seems like TDM/CTF have been around forever, played forever and basically played everywhich way you can play it.

and that statement surely doesnt qualify for RA3/CA

oh absolutely true. But its newer than the others, hence why new people might be more prone to trying it.

Something about the argument that new players wanting a new gametype, something other than the same ones that have been played (as much as TDM/CTF have). Like how people have said why try to catch up on peoples' years of experience playing dm6 (other old maps, etc.), when you can play new maps.

CA is least annoying, especially to newbs.
From newb POV:
FFA: respawn, WTF WHERE IS WEAPONS??? (eat 2 rockets to the face), die, respawn, WTF WHERE IS WEAPONS??? (shafter comes out and kill you), die, respawn, OMG HERE IS RL NICE, (eat a quad sg to the face), die, respawn in the middle of heavy fight, die instantly, WTF SHIT, ragequit
TDM: the same as FFA, but with no chance to find weapon ever
CTF: respawn, take weapon, get to mid, die, respawn, take weapon, get to mid, die, ...
CA: run & shoot, wait for next round, run & shoot, ...

yeah, I agree. CTF is probably the hardest to start off with considering all the different things to pay attention to, but CA is easily the easiest (lol), and by the number of servers, players & games, it looks like its the most popular atm, which might actually help if they took some time to support it & promote it once it was worth promoting.

TDM is harder for newbs than CTF.

i guess an argument could be made, but I just figured with having to pay attention to what position you're playing, flags & the rest more complicated than (TDM) finding weapons, timing pu's & armors.

Edit: That and the teamplay seems to be a little more complex than TDM- to me at least.

Yeah, I personally have to disagree.

As a CTF newbie it's enough to grab a weapon (and there will always be one) and wait for some enemies to rush towards you, so that you can frag them. Keep in mind that on CTF newb pubs noone will flame you if you take important powerups because nobody has a clue about that stuff anyway.

In TDM you won't get any weapons (ok, it's better in QL than in Q3 osp, because they can be dropped. But who's gonna drop a weapon for a newb?) and the only enemies that will rush towards you, are those who will own you anyway.

Also, the skill on TDM pubs is way higher than on CTF pubs. ;)

You do make good points.

plus you can't kill your mates on ctf, which i assume is a big factor for the newbies.

well, in the first few years of q3, 1on1 and TDM servers were plentiful, and FULL. on a lot of 1on1 servers you had to wait an hour or so to play, and if you did, if you kept winning, you found opponents for hours

then RA3 came along, and suddenly only half of the players were on 1on1 and TDM servers. and it went downhill from there

RA3 wasnt supposed to be in the first place. it's a dumb mod for an inteligent game. it's like taking chess, then changing the rules to allow 4-8 players, painting all the figures in neon colors and awarding points when you make monkey noises

How was ra3 not supposed to be?

Is it safe to say that ra3 is basically CA in QL? If it is, then I say even if it is a "dumb mod", if it makes people want to play the game more and stick with it enough to maybe get interested in ctf/tdm then what's wrong with that?

Ra3 is pretty much like CA, indeed. Despite the fact that ra3 had maps that were tailored to make the mod more fun i.e. big open maps with a lot of room to do rocket jumps. Also 1v1 maps etc.

It is rather obvious why CA is often labeled as dumb as one does not have to:

- time items
- pick up weapons
- care about pus
- care about teamplay (MEET BRIDGE OLOL GG)

You only need good aim and a decent positioning. Among CS players this is probably the most favorite mod for obvious reasons as stated above. Hence CA is an easier modification of the game in comparison to TDM or CTF and lastly 1v1.

I, for one, use CA to improve my aim as well as to play a more relaxed form of Quake. I just start winamp and kill people as I see them :x

It is wisely to promote CA as it increases the numbers of players - eventually they will try out other mods as they (most likely :D) get bored of CA. Btw: One reason why I don't like CA is because its round based. (like CS ZzZ)

tltr: CA requires less skill than TDM or CTF but should still be promoted.

Yes it needs more maps (whether ra3 maps or new is irrelevant at this point, just as long as there are MORE).

As far as gameplay goes, I would like to see an improvement on current strategy, because the "GO BRIDGE" idea is pretty much the extent of it atm. (Of course there have been some games in the last few days of ppl doing very different things- and doing it well...). It definitely needs less ammo, less players & bigger maps tho, just to start with.

I know they tried a CA game at QCon last year but it seems most of the players didn't really want to be doing it. IMO, promoting amateur team competition would both promote the game itself, and let those "higher visible" players not have to promote something they don't like.

k1llsen seemed to be enjoying it.

true

Bridge is so '09. Pillars are all the rage now, don'tcha know.

yeah actually I caught on to that when I got pwned one day by a whole team setting up on pillars... crazy

Haha, yup. I have no idea why people are so vehement in defending bridge, pillars are so much more easy to play from. You can't get sniped as easily, anyone coming in will take tons of damage (unless your team is retarded) and you can fuck off quickly/do a little pillar dance if things go bad. Plus you sometimes get to shaft the odd moron who goes up the jump pad and see him crumble into a smoldering pile of rage and hatred, how cool is that. 8>

"(unless your team is retarded)"
So, most of the time then?

Meh, can't expect much from pubs.

must be where my problem lies

Glass half full and all that jazz. As long as i'm playing good, in my own eyes, i don't care that much about the performance of my team mates or whether or not i'm getting my ass kicked. The lower your initial expectations the less disappointed you will be. :P

In fact, that must be one of the blessings of being a not-so-good player like myself. I think, in general, the better the player the more frustrated he tends to get when things aren't going his way. Some of the biggest whiners i've played with/against are people who consistently score ~100 points and end up with net k/d ratio of around +20. That's a bit odd.

this whole skill discussion is completely irrelevant,

People play whats gives them the most fun, not what requires the most "skill". Everyone has their own unique skillset that applies better in certain mods. Some people like to play alone, they prefer 1on1 or FFA, some people like to play in a team, they play ctf/tdm/ca. Some people have great aim but shit timing, they prefer CA. Some people have great timing and shit aim, they prefer FFA, some people don't have any of the quake skills, so they don't like the game at all.and rather play CS or whatever.

Just play what is the most fun, this silly skill discussion is really just a thinly veiled my e-penis is bigger as yours type of thing

the only part of the skill discussion that isn't irrelevant is about newcomers, to start building their skill. The ones who get burned out by the skill it takes to play ctf/tdm/etc. while CA is pretty basic and also seems to have more ppl playing it than the others. Alot aren't staying with it because they aren't having "fun" when they start out searching for weapons and get raped time after time- while CA pretty much "solves" all that.

Totally agree with you about diff people, different games/skills/etc. I just don't see the point in talking shit about it when its under-supported (just as much as everything else) and it keeps new players around.

E: Not implying you are talking shit, but others have/do.

I, for one, use CA to improve my aim as well as to play a more relaxed form of Quake. I just start winamp and kill people as I see them :x

Yes, that's exactly how one should approach CA. I myself play CA almost exclusively.. too lazy to properly time items, learn good positions and practice movement to play duel/tdm (plus, duels are extremely rage inducing) and ctf is too much work.

Cool thing about CA is it thins down the skill disparity to a degree, i can go toe to toe with people that would absolutely annihilate me in other gametypes, or even if i can't keep up, at least i can put up a good fight and have some fun while i'm at it, the odd game with extremely imbalanced teams notwithstanding. And if i can make people sick by speccing me with my frantic, abrupt, super hi-sens mouse movement, all the better. :DD

In CA you can throw all that timing and positioning shit out the window and just jump around shooting shit until it dissolves in a cloud of sparks while listening to music. It's a blast!

Positioning is still rewarded in CA, most definitely.

Definitely. All i'm saying is you don't have to keep close tabs on it as much as in other gametypes.

Not as much as duel and tdm, yes this is true, because in CA people can alway zerg rush you with rockets, and while they will probably die, you won't be able to avoid taking large amounts of damage no matter what position you are in. The fact that you can rocket jump in CA without taking any damage whatsoever (in ra3 you took armor damage, and falling damage, so you were penalized if you went around rjing all over the place) negates positioning to some extent.

I would say that the % that positioning matters will be highly dependent on how large the teams are. In an 8v8 LCA (god help us), if you want to have a positive K/D and survive for any length of time, you either need to stay with your team if they happen to be working together (rare), or the more likely case is you need to find a good position so that you only have to keep track of area at a time. Take qzca1, for example. 8v8 on this map is hilarious. People go to the top area and and just try to hang out there. They obviously get railed in the side as they are trying to rail someone else, because they are out in the open. If they took advantage of that pillar and made sure the people by the stairs do not have the angles to hit them because of it, then they can safely focus on the people by teleporter. If the people at stairs come chasing, then they can safely fall down to the lower level (although you don't want to stay there for long). Situations like these are where proper positioning will make the difference.

Sadly I don't see even the 'good' CA players do this very often. It's mostly extreme-aggressive play with 120 fov for the speed effect.

tldr: cheater.

Good points, and i agree.

I think people tend to leave themselves exposed because exploiting architecture that way is a bit counter-intuitive in CA. It's easy to fall into a mindset where you lose all notions of defensive playstyle and just look to deal as much damage as possible before dying. Not everyone plays like that, but it seems to be the norm (i am no exception, though i think i'm a bit more careful about my positioning than most players with skill level comparable to mine).

Not having to worry about self-damage is a huge factor of course, most players tend to adapt the "fuck being careful, if shit hits the fan i'll rj out of here, np" brainwave. The rare game when teams are composed of decent players, both teams being respectful of each others skill, quickly devolve into camping sessions though, and it's right then and there you can notice how uncomfortable most CA regulars are with finding good positions by utilizing the environment to their advantage. Like i said, it's counter-intuitive in this gametype.

It's actually funny to observe a veteran dueler try to do his thing in CA by falling back on his duel experience, tip-toeing, trying to shave off health with behind corner plays and prediction spamming, ultimately dying to a rj bum-rush from some awkward position. :D However, tdm, duel and ctf players that make CA cameos tend to make the difference when teams are balanced and you have to play the chess game.

Watch chance play CA. It's hilarious.

Good points, and i agree.

It's easy to fall into a mindset where you lose all notions of defensive playstyle and just look to deal as much damage as possible before dying.

Most of the CA tourney games I've seen online have been like this- meet up, shoot it out, last man standing wins.

I've not seen many people lately in CA games play as a team, but recently there was a group that kept voting down shuffle and kept voting dm6, and had no clan tag. They covered different positions all at once, 1 on rail, 1 in mid, 1 at bridge, etc., and decimated any group trying to "meet bridge" from being surrounded.

Either I've moved up to where ppl play like this on higher tiers, or some clan was out under fakenicks or w/o clan tags, practicing on pubs. Honestly it was nice to see, even though I got my ass handed to me.

On bigger maps 8v8 isn't so bad (ca3 anyone?), but definitely bad on small maps, especially ca1. I really would like to see people explore tactics involving spreading out in different positions on the map instead of rocket rush, spam spam die.

positioning and aim make up a majority % of CA- if not 50/50

FFA clan arena or TDM clan arena ftw... I think both of those would be more fun to play, even for new players.

are you refering to the one allstar game they played at QCON last year? =p

It's a giant Jewish conspiracy. Because, as everyone knows, strength in numbers, and Jews comprise less than 1% of the global-population, so we can easily achieve strength.

Of course, that's besides the Israeli conspiracy involving a covert plan to send Germans to concentration camps... just to show them how it feels.

You remember when ZeRo4 was unbeatable on T4?

i'd have one mccountry with large fries, please

no coke