ahhhhh ... sweet revenge.

manu played really bad, glad they lost like this \o/

I wouldn't laught too loud until the second leg, tbh

Oh, I fully expect ManU to go through, and I wouldn't even mind. They were just lazy today

May i laugh out loud now? :)

yes, sir. You can, and you should. :)

it's not that bad after all - they will own them for sure at Old Trafford !

no, they won't.

also bayern played without Schweinsteiger and Robben today. two key players which will return next week.

bayern and manu faced each other 8 times. bayern only lost once. :)

Man Utd had essentially a full strength team too.

Van Gaal clearly got the better of Ferguson here it'll be interesting to see what he can change to combat Bayern as they already tried 433/451 and later 442.

at them moment I think everything is possible a 5-0 for manu and a 1-2 to Bayern, cause Bayern isn't really stable at the moment and ManU certainly got a great team.

Well, their great team was really bad yesterday. Everybody just relied on Rooney. (i love that guy btw. hope he's fine.)

I agree that everything is possible. Anyhow this is the CL-Quarters and it's Bayern vs. ManU. :)

Disagree on the 5-0 tho. Bayern/v. Gaal will NOT let that happen. With Schweini and Robben back in the team, they'll have a safer midfield (although Pranjic did play pretty well.) and yet another offensive option.
I think it's highly possible that Bayern will score another one in the theatre of dreams. IF they play like they did yesterday.

they should get rid of demichelis though, that guy is a lunatic. selling jansen was the most stupid thing they did last year... :p

agreed. also Hummels.

Ze Roberto.

DeMichelis was great last night...

Midfield would be less safe with Robben from a defensive point of view, no?

Altintop kept Evra from being effective, I doubt Robben would be able to do the same, though at the same time he's much better in attack so maybe that would make up for it.

Rooney is out, good luck United.

last I heard was that they didn't know what it was, got any news?

Sprained Ankle, 2-4 weeks.

perfect :P


Gogo, five year ranking!

http://www.eurotopfoot.com/paysgb.php3

Bundesliga cannot make up the difference with serie A can it?
when do they reclassify the leagues for europa/CL entry spots?
Or do u mean something else?

I mean the ranking for EL/CL spots. Currently we are 0,917 points behind. If Inter loses both games against Barca and the three German teams together get 6 points or more, we get one more spot.

It's unlikely that it happens, now, but if ZSKA had won and Bayern advanced it would have been just three points.

http://www.5-jahres-wertung.de/APD/Online/5-Jahres-Wertung.htm

/e, found the English statistic on your site:

http://www.eurotopfoot.com/gb/uefacoefcountry2010.php3

Yes, lmfao @ manu indeed.

easily predicted

Bayern Munich are my fifa 10 team :>

altintop played great

well, he's an awesome all-around player. if given the chance, he'd be an important player for most teams.
sadly he's not able to reach his absolute best the last two years. he's waaaaaaaay better than Halil.

poor game like shit banchot

Let me add:

lmfao @ manu

ups

How can you be so much better as your opponent in both games and still get eliminated....? manure for brains?

I guess you missed the first game where mutd got outplayed

they didn't get outplayed. They had atleast four 100% chances in the first game and only made one. Then Ferguson fucked them over in the second half with two stupid substitusions which allowed bayern back into the game

There's no way you can argue they were the better team, 60%-40% possession, 20(10) - 9(4) shots, 8-2 corners. Manutd appeared to have fixed their game tonight, can't believe they let this slip away but Bayern still deserved to go through.

i don't see why bayern deserved to go through. yeah, they have the revenge factor from the cl finals, but when you analyze the 2 games, you'll see that bayern scored from an own goal by rooney in ribery's free kick, then another goal in 93rd minute or so. first game, from what i remember, man utd hit the crossbar btw (vidic).

in the 2nd match man u was up 3:0, bayern was nowhere, then olic gets one in, even he doesn't know how, rooney goes out after being kicked in the injured leg, and without rooney man u is 50% weaker. referee sends rafael out - decision 90% made on the germans physically assaulting the referee after the incident. tbh it was just a professional foul, on the center of the court, there are a million of those on every game, trying to stop the counterattack but without tackling or hitting the opposing player, and rarely result with a yellow card.

then robben does a one in a million shot to score the second one.

i mean, i'm no man u supporter, but bayern had a shitload of luck in these 2 games.

hi Alex

just facts m8

Fact is Bayern scored more away goals, dominated ManU 3/4 halftimes. And Robben hits 1 in a million goals every 5th try or sth. like that, that's why Bayern bought him.
And Rafel's red was completely justified, Ribery passed him and the only way to stop him was that tactical foul that must have a yellow as a consequence...

That said I hate Bayern and felt rather neutral seeing the games :)

bayern dominated perhaps 2/4, and they were 1 man up in one of those 2.

1 eurogoal, 1 own goal, 1 goal in 93rd.


that's all i'm saying.

it was a normal tactical foul. And the punishment for a tactical foul is a booking.
It's always been like that and every defender knows that. Hell, it even got a wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_foul

I also thought it was funny when Fergueson tried to bring Rafael's inexperience as some sort of excuse. If you think he is inexperienced, don't field him in the CL quarter finals...

it's not all black and white, raphael made the foul 20 yards before, and i'd cut my right arm if ribery's reaction wasn't the thing which prevailed to send him out. not all referees have character.

^^

what you linked adresses the last-man situations, or goal-chances which result in red cards, obviously.

these center court fouls before the attack is even developed are always referee's personal view of the situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwuMMt2tJK0

listen to the commentary.

i PHYSICALLY don't see anything tense there except for ribery's reaction.

he tried to pull his arm and ribery even stopped to push the guy away! probably remembered he was already booked. if he wanted to, he could have just continued attacking forward


i mean, the referee gave him the card, noone can say it was a bad decision. but if he didn't book him, it wouldn't really be some mistake...

So?

It's a tactical foul, doesn't need to be something tense.
Yes, possibly Ribery could have gone on without stopping, but Rafael already slowed him, getting him out of his rhythm. and doing it in the way he did, from behind, it's a tatical foul.
It is obvious that Rafael grabbed Ribery's shoulder and arm to do so.

I have no idea how you can not see it as a foul.
And if you do see it as a foul it is clearly a tactical one, as Bayern would have had a 4 vs 3 situation.

Also he should've been long gone from the field after what he did to van Bommel.

you mean kicking a guy from the ground?

what else?

i ask cause i'm not sure was it him or valencia.

and the kid really is inexperienced, he was clearly brought down a second before that on the right wing, referee did nothing. he got pissed and kicked the guy who did it.

not everyone manages to tolerate injustice, especially not 18yr olds

yeah, it's a red card. simple as that.

could be. but if the referees weren't retarded, situations like that wouldn't occur often

?

It was hardly a foul by van Bommel.

But why am i discussing this?!

dunno. you're probably a bayern fan and convinced bayern outplayed man u.


i have even less reason to discuss, i'm a fan of neither.

i'm not. ofc i cheer for them when they are the last ones left in the CL, but i'm not a supporter.
ask my best mate, he is. and i can tell you ... we fight over it again and again. :)

how long will you ignore the fact that the foul was first made on the CENTRE? :) or is it center.

the referee didn't want to stop the action, so he did nothing, and it's a good decision, then after 30 yards of raphael running besides ribery and slowing him down it did indeed become a 4v3 situation, but he wouldn't be booked if ribery didn't try to kill him. just a classic type of pressure. 2 bad it wasn't collina :)

and i don't even give a fuck about bayern or man u tbh...

how about the referee let it run to see if it could turn into an advantageous situation for Ribery despite the foul.

Referees do that sometimes.

As for not booking him, that is your interpretation, the rules are clear: It's tactical foul and a yellow card.
If you want to insist the referee would have ignored the rules and not given the card that's your choice.

fucking hell, april 17th

was on vacation.

i came home last night, and was away since the 11th. shame on you german, seriously.

They only owned the first halves of the matches.

lmao @ football fans

you're all terrible people.

y hate me ;(

you're an exception, just look at that majestic flag of yours, obviously you must think football = handegg

(also no ur cool)

now your flag says lmao@world we built ze pyramids

ancient egypt - most efficient use of the jews ever

in fiction

non-fiction

gg

ahahahahahah

its OVER man united sucked!

all rafaels fault

omg :-C

glad manchester lost, i mean how can you cheer for someone with AIG on the shirt

Typical germans
Seriously, can that fat red-nosed scottish idiot ever lose a game and just say gg and then procede to shut the fuck up? if he played quake he'd be brumu

it's especially hilarious considering the hundreds of times united players have crowded the referee. You see Ferdinand and Rooney screaming fuck off in their faces in practically every game.

Typical Germans, indeed.

Beating an English side in an important game :P

who saves the sucky owned germans from getting steamrolled?

a guy from croatia of course...

he's awesome.

i remember when he played the croatian league, he was like a mindless mosquito just running around but couldn't control the ball, his technical side was hilarious, people were making fun of him, like.... "he's never gonna become a good player".

but he learned.

Well, he definitely did.
He's kind of a prototype of how a player should be actually.

But he was like that already, when he joined Hamburg iirc.

he may look like he's all over the place but he is a constant pressure to the opposing defenders + keeper, and he can sprint for hours...


the russian league made a monster out of him tbh :)))

So like a reverse of Eduardo :s

now when you say it....well...


IT'S TRUE!

ah come on, the dude got his foot chopped off.

Yeah, great finisher ruined :/

one of my favorite players in the Bundesliga, indeed.

hohoho, thread should be called LMAO@UK so that all of us thats jealous of PLs status can get a good laugh ;)

Fucking lame of manu to not beat bayern though, its all a conspiracy to remove one of italys spots I tell you!

Sif Italy deserve it anyway :P

Italy = Inter + match fixers

And while I'm at it:

Spain = Scotland with top two financed by the state

What the hell?!? Why exclude Inter from match fixers!? ;)

I thought they weren't involved in the last big fixing?

probably just bribed the press, too.

Obviously they were not, since Inter hardly won anything during that period

Moggi is on trial these days and he uses phone calls made by Inter staff that are similar to the ones he was convicted for to defend himself so its not entirely sure yet that Inter wont face any repercussions. They probably wont though.

Afaik Moratti owns the phone company that discovered the Moggi calls in the first place, so Juve fans are all calling conspiracy ;)

Anyway, Inter has had enough *luck* with refs these last seasons to make Moggi proud so I wouldnt bet any money on them being honest.

However, I cheer for Roma and a lot of those *lucky* calls that Inter got made Roma lose the league so Im not entirely objective ;)

They aren't financed by the State. The League organization is too weak and they manage their tv contracts on their own, so 80% of the tv money goes to them, and 20% shared to the rest of teams. They have a special cathegory for taxing, but that's not only them 2, there is also Athletic de Bilbao and Osasuna who fall in that regulation. The rest of clubs moved to S.A (business corporation) because they wanted to. It's unfair, but it was not done to help the 2 bigs.

And if you want to go that way, Premier isn't any better, with most big teams being property of rich snobs, oil kings and mobsters in general.

Football is full of crap everywhere. Don't pretend to be superior.

Oh, hi.

Yeah, I remember when English sides sold their training grounds for £500,000,000,000 to the state then leased it back for like £1 a year...

Please, Barcelona and Real Madrid aren't even in the same ocean as the PL teams when it comes to financial aid let alone boat.

It's up to the Spanish fans if they just want to see Real Madrid and Barcelona destroy their league but look no further than Scotland for the current future of La Liga.

Well at least they don't have mass murderers/tyrants/russian mobsters or even worse "americans"... run their clubs.

Yeah, Spain never killed anyone :(

Ye, ye. La Liga is the paradise of tax evasion. That's why all arab sheiks and oil mobsters buy Spanish teams instead of PL teams... oh wait.

Please, think a little. There's no way La Liga is clean, but PL isn't any better.

I didn't mention that though, nor did I say the PL was clean.

The difference is, anyone can buy a PL team and finance it to the top, that'll never happen in Spain, good luck stopping the top 2 ruining your league forever.

More teams have won La Liga in the past 18 years than have won the Premier League, suck on that pal.

Who cares about the past, just over 25 years ago Aberdeen were winning shit in Scotland...

Unless they force all teams to become PLC's and have a unified TV rights deal etc it's only going in one direction, Scotland.

Look, there is a problem since 3 or 4 years ago with the tv rights distribution. A serious one. It already started in the early days of PPV, with each team negotiating on its own, but back them all teams were overpayed. Now there's a war between 2 tv producers who want to get the football for themselves, and are fighting for the control of Real & Barça. These two teams are getting way overpayed while the rest are getting pretty much nothing. This is a problem and needs to get every other team united so they can force a correct division as the PL has. But that's it. There isn't any "goverment support" of those 2 teams. That's just bullshit. They have huge power because the market is completely unregulated and they act as a duopoly.

So who was it who bought Real Madrid's training ground only to lease it back to them exactly?

That never happened. Real Madrid built a group of highrises in the old training grounds inside the city, sold them, and built a new training complex outside of the city (cheap grounds). The thing you probably heard is that the grounds they bought were requalified as buildable for them. That stuff happens all the time to people like Florentino.

The only thing I've ever heard/read (And it's mentioned quite regularly) is that Real Madrid sold their training ground to the government for like €500 (clearing all their debt and funding Figo purchase) then leased it back.

At any rate it wasn't a serious comment or do you really think the whole of Italy are match fixing cheats bar Inter?

Manchester dominated the two first halves while Bayern completely dominated the two second halves.
I mean, did you see that Manu wasn't even able to play for the 4-2 yesterday during the last 15 min because Bayern still had the ball in their Old Trafford and just shat all over them?

Overall it ends 4-4 showing just how equal it was in total.

The referee was ridiculously for Manchester yesterday, several yellow or even red cards were not given, for example that kick in the balls vs. Olic by Vidic. 1 min after the 3-2 there is a situation where Ribery gets fouled outside the penalty box while driving towards the goal with plenty of energy that is not whistled. Sure, United gets some home cooking, but that was just ridiculous.

Obviously didn't help the suckers with their hundreds of millions of debt, while Bayern is 100% sound financially, so it's all good.
Personally, I appreciate a team more that buys players for money that is actually there, than a team like Manchester that is badly in debt, but still plays with expensive players.

To be fair its not really *their* fault with owners like that. But I agree, its really annoying to cheer for a team with black digits when the teams with red ones just keep raping the leagues :)

utd is in debt not because they've bought expensive players (hell they received 80m for ronaldo) but because the owners did not have the money to buy the club, so they borrowed heavily and secured the loans on an item they hadn't yet acquired (man utd football club). Utd is paying for the Glazers to own it. Literally crazy. Hate the way finance can work. Additionally bayern needed the away goals rule to go through, even though they were only playing against 10 men for literally half the match

Sure, matches on this level of play often are decided by small things, and Manchester obviously had a good chance to advance.

Ferguson is showing what a bad losing tosser he is with his comments postgame, complaining about the referee when his side benefited a lot more from no-calls against his teams.
Rafael could well have been ejected for his first foul already, along with all the other beneficial calls Manchester had going for them.

The queen should revert his Sir-title, which looks pretty worthless if given to a whining tosser that can not lose and not conduct himself in a worthy manner but resorts to racism when losing.

only one of the complaining players was actually German so you can't really call it racism :P

11 men:
451 only the striker didn't defend
10 men:
441 only the striker didn't defend

Since teams are more than capable of defending with two banks of four it's no surprise they were hard to break down in just 45minutes.

They just defended and have some of the best defenders in the game.

You just have to have a look at how utd were playing with 11 men, and how they played with 10. 1st half looked like a team that made back to back CL finals, 2nd half they looked more like Stuttgart trying to stave off a rampant Barcelona. The formation numbers don't tell us much, if anything

So?

Lots have team have played sucky second legs after a superb first one even though they were still 11 players. And you brought up Barca yourself.

Yes, sure Manu losing a player is a big factor, but simply claiming they would have one it with 11 is ridiculous. Football doesn't work that way.

Saying they would have won it with 11 is worthy of ridicule? That bad huh? lol. That's your opinion. I'm not saying I don't respect it, but I think very few ppl see it that way. We'll never really know now, and I'm looking forward to the next games anyway. drama

Maybe I didn't write it clear enough.

I meant to say that it is ridiculous to claim Manu would have one it for sure if they had 11 players. They would have had a better chance, yes. But one single goal in one half isn't impossible for Bayern.
Especially since they already did score one before Rafael got sent off. A lot of people seem to forget that.

of couurse i was claiming to be aware of the odds, but not claiming to have knowledge of an alternate universe where the game finishes 11 vs 11. why so exacting? i am le tired

Again, it didn't want to be the one who is exact, I was complaining about those who think a 11 vs 11 second leg would result certain win for Manu, ie Ferguson

but ferguson's comments are part of the entertainment for me. almost as much as mourinho

Bayern were on top prior to Rafael being sent off.

The Glazers bought the club and sent it into debt and Manchester United still bought player after player they could not afford.

I'll give you 04-05 so we won't count Rooney but the significant outlay on Tevez isn't included either. All of this while they were in hundreds of millions of debt.

Integral first team players:
van der Sar
Evra
Vidic
Park
Berbatov
Nani
Carrick
Tevez
Valencia
Hargreaves (Would be)

Around £66m (net) was spent according to those numbers over 6 years. That's nothing for a top 5 European club. The total debt is over £700m. That debt is not because of Ferguson's spending, that's because the club is paying for the Glazers to own it. If they ceased player investment the value of the club would topple, so they wouldn't be saving anything by not spending. I guarantee those players brought in more money than it cost to acquire them. Players are not a cost, they are an investment and bring in revenue

investments lead to costs by definition ;)

what i'm saying is (hopefully) clear. WHY oh why do u have to focus on the last sentence just for the sake of arguing semantics? stop it becks ;)

thought you might learn something ;)

Becks behvaing that way because he is german.

He wants to be the Führer, that's the way his mother and father ( grandma and grandpa ) raised him! But he will lose in the end.
It takes a lot of amphetamine to be as becks, and look what it did to the Führer. Psychosis and the war was lost!

What a disgusting attempt at trolling. You should stand in the corner and think about what you did.

That was so bad, Jamerio would plus you.

Top 8*

£66m net in transfer fees and doesn't include agent fees, signing on fees or wages which can be quite considerable with top players.

Investments only work when you then sell on for far more than you spent (e.g. Ronaldo probably still made a profit despite a lot of money being spent on him over the years). However there's quite a few names there that will never see a return on investment.

While it's obviously not his fault they are in the red, it remains utterly irresponsible to spend that much and it can't and won't continue.

Obviously they aren't the only club doing it and there are many worse, albeit with lower numbers (Portsmouth).

Probably? They bought Cristiano for €15m and sold him for €96m. That alone pays his salary over all the years he was there and there's still 30 or 40 millions of pure benefit. Not to mention having won leagues and a champion league with a player who played "for free".

Not to forget the merchandise they probably sold because of him.

How fitting of you to refer to him as an 'it'. :)

oops

He signed like 50,000,000,000,000,000 new contracts though and I'd imagine nearly all of them included sign on fees rather than just wage increases (and no doubt appearance and goal bonuses, etc).

It's probably much less profit than you'd think.

My guess was based on his actual contract, and I'm pretty sure he earns more now than at ManU. Otherwise he wouldn't move.

Congrats to ManU for the 2nd victory (out of 9 matches) and the first time ever winning their home game @ Old Trafford vs. Bayern! ;D

Beat me to it. :D