ESR - (Archive) ESWC UT2K4 Scandi Qualifier?

<< Comment #1 @ 14:18 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Show me the moneh!

Or a qualifier

<< Comment #2 @ 14:21 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (83.250.132.33)

Sweden/scandi for ESWC! would be wicked!

//William

<< Comment #3 @ 14:23 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (c80-217-47-156.cm-upc.chello.se)

Me want qualifier. /netto

<< Comment #4 @ 14:33 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (a84-230-118-151.elisa-laajakaista.fi)

I've been waiting for a letter like this so nice bruttendalewitz!

I will join to your troops and I'll make a deep humble bow towars G3X, let there be that qualifier, please :| Then there would be even one reason to go to Swerige and a change to see my bf gubbe which called as bruttO, .3wD. bruttO!

//.3wD.skitso

<< Comment #9 @ 14:39 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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bruttO - Reply to #4

haha gogo skitso!! xD

<< Comment #25 @ 21:03 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (0x535cbe25.hrnxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) - Reply to #4

sadly finnland isnt part of scandinavia :D

<< Comment #28 @ 21:34 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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zukeft - Reply to #25

True, cause finnland doesn't exist. =P

<< Comment #5 @ 14:33 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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al0ner

Sca to ESWC! FCUKERS!

<< Comment #6 @ 14:34 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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rmzs

I could not agree more, it's about time we see some scandinavian participance at the ESWC. And the only fair way to determine who should go would naturally be a qualifier :)

I really hope for a scandinavian ESWC qualifier on LAN for UT2004, and I hope that EWSC nordic realises that the ESWC is meant to be a world cup in games, not counter strike and warcraft 3.

Edited by rmzs at 14:35 GMT, 22nd Mar 2005

<< Comment #7 @ 14:35 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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CrimisonK

I asked that dude about some work I did for Sogamed also, as I needed it for my appendix. He didn't answer.

When I asked Sujoy about stuff from ESReality, he replied.

Morale of the story is, don't expect an answer from g3x =D ! If its such a big thing then maybe you should spread news of this around to other sites =] ?

Edited by crim` at 14:36 GMT, 22nd Mar 2005

<< Comment #8 @ 14:36 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Money is never a problem.. i don't think we would have much problem at all to raise the money needed to send a swedish UT2004 player to france. The problem is that SEL gives a fuck to any other game than their precious CS and WC3. I Mean we have offered to take care of all qualifiers sponsoring and what not that is required to send a player, but all we got is nada, getting ignored. For those that haven't noticed UT2004 is very alive and active in sweden and year after year we get assraped by these people..

There is allready a organisation that handles e-sports in sweden with established contacts with the various event organicers we haven't even tried to contact ESWC/WCG ourselves because we have hoped that we would be recogniced but if things doesn't start moving soon we will and that will reflect badly on all that are involved in this.

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<< Comment #10 @ 14:51 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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JamJam

My heart bleeds.

<< Comment #11 @ 14:55 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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DvO

Agreed. We've got some great duellers in rmzs, bruttO, skitso, jesus, inca, Athster, Smile and luxxiz that really do deserve the chance to play for the ESWC title. Scandinavia deserves a qualifier far more than Slovakia, Slovenia or Serbia and Montenegro do, all of which had representatives at the ECG, and all of which were complete pushovers. I doubt I need to mention the Bulgarian team, who sent the members of the organizers' clan to play without organizing a qualifier, denying the right from excellent players such as Sektor and Insomnia.

Please don't make ESWC 2005 another farce for the UT community.

<< Comment #47 @ 18:07 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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Grave - Reply to #11

you miss the point. you sound as if those countries send players at the cost of not sending scandi players which is not true
the only one to blame here is your national organisation

<< Comment #50 @ 21:52 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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DvO - Reply to #47

There is no national organization. That's my point. ESWC/WCG haven't contacted anyone to host qualifiers here, whereas in Serbia they do? Sounds like wasted effort to me.

<< Comment #53 @ 07:57 UTC, 24 March 2005 >>

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Grave - Reply to #50

you are still missing the point
eswc/wcg does not contact anyone, its the other way - national organizers contact eswc/wcg and ask for the rights (and they make sure you have financial backing to send the players, etc
or at least that was the case in 2002 when i was admining for organization involved in national qualifiers)

<< Comment #12 @ 15:14 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (82.183.199.250)

As bogo said, it would not be a problem to organize a LAN wich works as a swedish/scandinavian qualifier.
Although if scandi qualifier there would probably be a problem with sending number 1 from each country without sponsors.

Maybe you guys should try to contact eswc on behalf of UnrealNorth.

You know that the swedish ut2004 community will back you up and help at the LAN.

//e*smi

<< Comment #13 @ 15:29 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #12

Well we will prolly do that if nothing happens soon, the thing is that we want to work with those guys.. we dont want to rip the community apart. I mean if we go over their heads about this it will raise some hefty questions if they are competent to host the qualifiers for other games too.

<< Comment #14 @ 15:48 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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tewic

idm was talking to the danish qual organizer's, and the reply he got was that we had to find 3000 dkkr which ofc could be found by taking entrance to the qual... but i my self couldnt get just 1500 dkkr in a week, but idm still wanted to pay the 3000 dkkr himself.
so the danish organizer contacted some of the eswc ppl in a request for having one spot for a danish qual with one guy, which they refused.

but i think idm i still fighting for it, atleast i hope so.....

very nice collum bru2, hope it will get some ppl to open their eye's.

<< Comment #15 @ 15:49 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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ynZ

agreed!

<< Comment #16 @ 15:58 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (h195n2fls35o295.telia.com)

I totally agree too.
Nicely put bruttO.
iT will support you!

- Jesper Lindberh "AKA" iT|xen° -

<< Comment #17 @ 16:15 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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tom

not only are most swedes nice people (something rare indeed) but i know for a fact they have far more skilled people than say those from the UK and other 'top' European countries (im not going to name any because i'll just be flamed). they deserve a qualifier for sure

<< Comment #18 @ 16:24 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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GueS7 - Reply to #17

no doubt

<< Comment #20 @ 18:02 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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DvO - Reply to #17

astz. I rest my case.

<< Comment #21 @ 18:05 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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tom - Reply to #20

what about astz?

<< Comment #19 @ 17:49 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Drexciyian

Dont germens own ut? the click click movement kinda suits them :P

<< Comment #22 @ 18:38 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #19

If we don't get the chance to compete against them how can we know? And online tournaments doesn't count.

<< Comment #23 @ 20:31 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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2 years? 2 years and you have asked nicely for someone else to organize "your" tournament? Why dont you directly ask the ESWC about organizing a UT2k4 qual? How do you think G3X got it? They just dropped it in his lap?

According to posts here you have the money and organizing skills needed so why the fuck dont you? In all honesty it kinda smells like bullshit when bogobot says:

"...the thing is that we want to work with those guys.. we dont want to rip the community apart. I mean if we go over their heads about this it will raise some hefty questions if they are competent to host the qualifiers for other games too. "

a) Obviously they dont care about the UT2k4 community so how would not cooperating with them (which you arent right now since they apparently dont want to) be splitting up a community?

b) Awww you arent organizing anything by yourself since you might tarnish their name? They have held proper tournaments before and have a nice trackrecord, you guys holding a small tourney isnt going to make them look bad...

No hate here or anything but it really feels like you expect someone else to pick up your community and pat it on the back so it doesnt choke to death...

Edited by Sui at 20:32 GMT, 22nd Mar 2005

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<< Comment #26 @ 21:22 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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slfjsiadfjsioa - Reply to #23

haha respect f'er

<< Comment #24 @ 20:53 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Khorney

Answering an email takes what, a minute of their time? I think its more about g3x (if he is in fact checking mails in that inbox) ignoring people.

Good column btw brutto.

Edited by Khorne at 20:55 GMT, 22nd Mar 2005

<< Comment #27 @ 21:26 UTC, 22 March 2005 >>

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Hist

It´s a shame that we have been left out in the cold for so long, but now when Scandinavian UT2004 community is at his top we feel we deserve to show ourselfs as the rest of the world has done for years. Countrys which players wouldnt even be top 10 in sweden is sent to big events, players that even I beat and im not even top 10 in Sweden. Sweden has a very healthy UT2004 community with alot of duellers that could go all the way with some motivation added to it (A big tournament)

Edited by Hist at 21:28 GMT, 22nd Mar 2005

<< Comment #29 @ 01:21 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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SyXz

In ut aren't national qualifiers, because eswc ut2k4 tourney is an invitational tournament (such as quake3)

National qualifiers are only in 3 games (CS, W3 and PES4)

Edited by SyXz at 01:29 GMT, 23rd Mar 2005

<< Comment #30 @ 04:07 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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bruttO - Reply to #29

Afaik, Q3 will have qualis.

<< Comment #31 @ 06:29 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (tiko.laurea.fi)

nice bruttO, fight teh powa!

/Gibber

<< Comment #32 @ 08:07 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (h211n2fls33o1118.telia.com)

I say go directly to the main organisers such as wcg and eswg and tell them that the company curently arranging tournament are inkompetent and dont give a shit but anything else then CS.

<< Comment #33 @ 08:12 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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Anonymous (proxy0-hh.uk.deuba.com)

i dont get ur point about this brutto
ESWC didnt annouced yet if there will be qualifier or invites
So how can u ask for qualifiers? :)

arsenik

<< Comment #34 @ 09:37 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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bruttO - Reply to #33

I know that ESWC hasn't announced anything yet, and rumours says there might be a qualifier. My point with this column is more like showing everyone how our local organizers disrespects our community.

Edited by bruttO at 10:09 GMT, 23rd Mar 2005

<< Comment #35 @ 10:04 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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DvO - Reply to #34

Unrespect!

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<< Comment #36 @ 10:08 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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Nosnos - Reply to #33

It's not only about the ESWC though the same thing goes for ECG, WCG, etc... It's not that we don't understand why they put so much effort on CS, it's the biggest game so why shouldn't they, but something feels wrong when countries like Kazakhstan send three players to the events.. No disrespect to Kazakhstan but if they send three players while none of the Scandinavian countries send anyone then something is wrong imo... A lot of contries didn't send players to the ECG, France included which is a discrase as well imo...

<< Comment #38 @ 12:09 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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reslox - Reply to #36

Kazakhstan have 'chozen' and 'korshun'. Those 2 would be top 5 in sweden, if they had been born in sweden :P especially chozen. In fact, Lauke only dropped one map @ WCG 2004, and it wasnt to burnie or chip, but chozen. Korshun also qualified out of his group and beat stermy pretty badly. I do agree, that for a community as large as scandinavia, to not have any representatives is........well some1 should burn. It's all DvO's fault tbh :(

<< Comment #37 @ 10:35 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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rmzs - Reply to #33

It says black on white on their page that the UT2004 competetion will be a hybrid tournament - a hybrid between invites and national qualifiers. So yes it does say so on the page arsenik.

Edited by rmzs at 10:36 GMT, 23rd Mar 2005

<< Comment #39 @ 12:24 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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Acer

I'm quite sure every country has 2-3 players who are clearly above the rest; "World-class-tournament-skill" if you want. Size (of country) doesn't really matter.

<< Comment #40 @ 15:06 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #39

Seen any top spansih UT players lately? Seen any top finnish wc3 players lately? Seen any top Hungarian CS teams lately? Seen any top irish Pk players lately? The Size of the country is not the sole decider of the amount of quality players that will come from that country but it is a factor which importance of course relys on other factors... fyi

<< Comment #41 @ 15:12 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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bruttO - Reply to #40

hungary has a good cs squad in .3wD. ;D

..or was it bulgaria? whatever.. ;D

Edited by bruttO at 15:12 GMT, 23rd Mar 2005

<< Comment #42 @ 15:13 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #41

erm... no :X

anyhow, any response to #23?

<< Comment #43 @ 15:34 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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bruttO - Reply to #42

Yeah. First of all I cant really answer for Bogobot's post, he has to explain that :).

But problem is, G3X has the rights to the WCG and ESWC local "blaha". If u want to be a part of it / do something surrounding it, u have to contact him, afaik.

A mail will be sent to [email protected] later today where I'll ask whats going on and what we can do by our own.

<< Comment #45 @ 17:35 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #43

"assumption is the mother of all fuckups" ;> good luck in getting your tourney, if you do get the chance make sure you do it right or the next time you ask it will be a no :P

<< Comment #44 @ 16:00 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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DvO - Reply to #40

Chemi was in SK, eNvi plays in 3wD, satiiNi is in DkH.

Spain has reasonably good players, like Pepe, but no, they're not fantastic. And 3wD did pretty well at ECG in CS. Sure, population does have a significant effect on the number of top players, since competition breeds competition, which means that on a global level those with lots of competitive experience will be able to deal with the pressure and make it internationally as well.

That's why you see so many fantastic Swedish players - they only have 8 million people, but have over the years taken maybe 30% of all the money offered for e-sports in the West. They have a working competitive structure with professional leagues at the top that cultivates competition and creates excellent players.

<< Comment #48 @ 18:19 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #44

Still 3WD are not worldplayers, in my opinion none of the first 3 players you mentioned are players you would "invite" to a Wourld Tourney other but sure they are good in their country but that wasnt the argument.

as for the rest of your comment I think we pretty much agree, I still dont agree with the general opinion that Sweden has gained fame and fortune in esports only because of its IT infrastructure. If you look at different sports sweden competes in we do pretty ok considering the size of our population. Famous sports like Ice-hockey and football and less popular sports like volleyball, bandy and curling. The explanation for this? I dont have it and frankly dont find it that intresting to discuss, Iam happy aslong as I as a Swede can complain about my 8mbit connection being "slow" and "expensive" to europeans :)

"Skadeglädje är den enda sanna glädjen"

<< Comment #51 @ 21:54 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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DvO - Reply to #48

Sweden's best player isn't Swedish in football (fuck off nationality, passport, etc.). And ice hockey the top 5 countries are made up of northern countries because we're the ones that have ice half of the year, so it's obvious we'll practice it more than Italy or the UK. Volleyball - you're tall, bandy - it's the indoor ice hockey (see above), curling - it's fucking curling?

<< Comment #54 @ 11:08 UTC, 24 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #51

I think Ljungberg and Henke are pretty Swedish, Henkes parents might not be but he is born here, I guess you mean Zlatan? Alot of hype but he isnt _the_ best yet ;>

Regarding your theory about "Volleyball" I can tell you the best countrys in the world in volleyball are cuban, italian and a while back the dutch were kickass too :) but Sweden is still a top country. Greece being one of the few countrys to have a "Pro" league with the best of the best has a Swede on top of the scoring league :) (Iam counting team, 6on6, 2on2 there are more teams that compete, its more popular)

Bandy as in on the ice but yeah indoor we rock too, curling yeah its an obscure sport but alot of countrys have teams. Canada, Germany, USA, UK. Alot of _BIG_ countrys yet we can still compete with them? In several sports? Iam not a "proud" Swede, I was born here yeah but didnt grow up here so dont misunderstand me. All iam saying is its kinda strange and imo that indicates that there is more than our IT infrastructure to thank for regarding our success in esports.

Anyhow, no big deal :)

<< Comment #55 @ 13:22 UTC, 24 March 2005 >>

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wEctro - Reply to #48

"/..3WD are not worldplayers..."

You know what? Before ecg noone would say that dmc would have a shot on 1st place. He wasnt, imo(anyones?), a worldplayer. And still he got it.

As it is now, youll have to perform in top lvl tourneys to be concidered a worldplayer. And to be able to participate in such you will have to be concidered a worldplayer. So its impossible for new talents, atleast from scandi, to ever get into the celeb circle of tournament play.

Give em a chance ffs.

<< Comment #56 @ 22:06 UTC, 25 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #55

You quote me on saying 3wd are world players and then start talking about DMC? Does he play in 3wd? Didnt I answer to someone who said 3wd had a good CS squad? Does DMC now suddenly compose a oneman CS army under the 3wd flag? I dont think so...

As for the rest of the post, I hope you by mistake replied to me... doesnt really make any sense?

<< Comment #46 @ 17:42 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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Acer - Reply to #40

Well there ofcourse are exceptions like in eastern europe, if a PC costs like a year's salary and internet is some crappy cable, there are unlikely to be many good players. What I am sure of though is that there are many players that are pretty much unknown and capable of doing major stuff. Hell, there's a 1on1 tournament almost every week in ut2k4 and every time a new winner, or several other new names appear as "ownage players". There's even people without internet connections that play only at LAN and are damn good at it. These will be excluded in big tournaments because they don't have the offer. You ask me if there's any great irish pk player. No, not that I know of but there might aswell be someone sitting there with his biggest wish going to WCG/CPL and he knows it won't happen since his town doesn't even offer broadband connection and if so he can't afford it, he will remain a noname forever even though he is locally unbeaten at lan.
My point is, none the less, that the whole thing should be more open for anyone who wants to qualify. Take a look at ECG. A lot of players who is commonly known to not exactly being a top player. What if a danish guy wants to qualify for some tournament, and NL is pretty close but they won't accept him as a contestant because of nationality(denmark doesnt host in this instance ofcourse). There is no option but to sit down in his chair and watch the whole thing on XTV and witness all the players getting owned that he knows he is better than.
This whole big tournament thing or "world championships" just doesn't work, yet...

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<< Comment #49 @ 19:00 UTC, 23 March 2005 >>

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- Reply to #46

In my opinion you cant reason like that, think of all the football players that have accidents or because of poverty cant pursue a football career because he/her has to support his family? What about players that grow up in Brazil and grow up to be great players but not good enough for the national team so they cant shine as much on the international scene? and if they were born in for example Spain they might have got in that national team and had their moment in the limelight?

Roughly put, the world isnt a fair place and when tournaments still hold on to a, in my opinion, stupid concept of inviting countrys with a certain amount of spots not all the best players will be there.

Counter: Yes I know it is a good way of getting nations with less experience into the scene and giving their players a boost but think about the players that give their all and actually do excel at what they do but cant .

Anyhow, point still remains, the size of the country IS a factor regarding the amount of star players, its importance can vary due to other factors and it alone is not a deciding factor but still it is a factor that you cant ignore :P

<< Comment #52 @ 00:46 UTC, 24 March 2005 >>

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d1cKz

yo acer =]