....and now we'd talk about the mouse..

WTF is that a ball mouse or the intelli 1.1

It's a ball mouse, the very first MS Intellimouse.

The question is answered! I wanna get myself one of those and test it out, but as for a ball mouse I would much rather get one of those old mitsumi mice!! they pwn! Unfortuanately my old one is serial and it's totally fucked up now, but it's still the best mouse I ever owned, i love it...

The reason why z4 can actually play on a ball mouse well or even better is his high sens, because he doesn't have to pick up the mouse that much when he aims or takes a shot, it doesn't really matter if he uses an optical or not. Stupid me actually increased my sens when I got an optical, and now I don't really need an optical anymore (although not having to clean it is just too cool)

nice theory, but zero4 picks up his mouse constantly. he doesn't "have to" (as if anyone does?) but his mousing style calls for him to do so.

Ahh, but you see I added that he doesn't have to pick up his mouse when taking a shot, the deviation of a ball at high sens is quite minimal, and I think he uses the 0.05 accel to fix that as well, I found flicking on a negative -0.05 accel on an optical quite nice, probably because I'm still used to a ball mouse.

Unfortuanately high sens players will always suffer from having weak lg, but having the ability to turn fast and have the sickest flicks :)

Copycat with no fat.

Experimentation my dear watson, I use a ms3.0 with a black cloth pad and apsolutely NO accel.

Hehe thats what I use. MS IE 3.0 and a DKT pad, no accel.

dunno how a dkt pad is, my one (it's a custom made ndc pad from 2 years back) gets affected by moisture in the air, which SUCKS! other than that it's cool. I'm getting a new one though, which is just awesome, almost everyone in south africa is using it now, of course I haven't seen the quality of overseas mouse pads (apart from an allsop (which 0wns), a everglide and an icemat)

if you really want a good mousepad try to get the Speedpad. www.speedpad.de

The DestruktPad is all ace! I use it myself - along with my Logitech MouseMan Wheel

Logitech mouseman wheel >>>>> that's what I used for 3 years!

Booyah!

Was thinking of going back to it, very tempting, but the buttons are hard to press and I can't move it at "lightning" speed (I move the mouse very, very fast) and it fucks up when you move it too fast.

ever seen nirvana shaft?

lol, yeh there are exceptions, blue was also pretty sick with lg and had high sens.

i bet you have *wink wink*

actually, having high sens means you have to have the mice in a particular place, its not the same if were u have the mice on your pad, a part of the feeling imo...
Meaning he should pick it up quite often.

that would make the ball mouse inconsistant, because it will roll when you pick it up, even worse if you're using high sens.

What the hell are you talking about?

Even at high sens the perpetual motion of the mouse ball once lifted from the mouse mat is minute, as gravity acting on the ball once lifted from the mouse mat pulls it down against the mouse ball retainer, which causes friction on the ball and stops it.
This all taking place in well under a 10th of a second, so claiming that you would notice this while playing is laughable…

No offence…

Suppose it will depend on the mouse, my old one if I moved it fast enough and lifted the mouse it would spin like 90 degrees, it was fucking smooth though...

when i had my ball mouse i had to use a higher sens since the mouse tended to skip sometimes at fast movement with low sens (exactly like the early opticals). after experimenting with opticals i noticed they were much steadier with hitscan weapons, especially shaft. on the other hand i liked to flick around more with the ball.

me too

not necessarily. You get used to it, and you form a technique for it.

yes necessarily.

the perpetual motion of the mouse ball after leaving the surface, is minute. and trust me when i say you wouldn't be able to notice the effect due to fiction stopped the ball from continue to spin....

been using the same mouse and mousepad for ages and it owns my mx500 regarding accuracy so i dunno what ur on about tbh

i'm guessing you're talking to me, well I think settings can help, but being used to it helps more, I think the optimal playing sens for q3 would be low sens with accel, since you can aim well with every weapon like that (cooller, unkind, lexer). ZeRo4 just optimises what he's good with, rail and rockets, the rest comes down to how you actually play the game, and no amount of settings will change that.

immo, mouse means shit, as long as it tracks ok and it is clean with a good enough surface for the mouse, set it so it feels right for you and practice, nothing more nothing less.

whats next, the angle of the keyboard concerning the relaxation of the muscles?

please...


:PP

15° banking of the keyboard (clockwise) is optimal ofc.

I wouldn't be surprised in the future.

I have the same mouse pad as ZeRo4. Or, ZeRo4 has the same mouse pad as me. It's all a matter of perspective you see. Like, which came first, the chicken or the egg? Think about it.. freaky huh?

Gratz! You have the same skill now! - that is freaky :-)

same potential skill?

Virility?

virility scanner?

I don't play Quake 3 Arena though :(

egg

z4 has a weak lighting Gun? compared to the other pros?
and whats considered high sens?

Yes, his lg is weak compared to other pro's, in fact most people that are considered good players. Compare his lg to other americans like socrates and chaoticz, it's easy to spot.

High sens would be anything over say, 8, lets say 12cm/360 degrees. This has a different meaning to low sens accel though, since you could probably turn the same if not faster as a high sens player, but would still be able to aim with precision. Problem with accel is it becomes harder to do long range flicks, and track people with rockets smoothly. There are exceptions to every rule though, so don't take my words as law.

If you're happy and you know it clap your hands

*clap clap*

He's making fart noises with his hands.

i think it's quite obvious that he spit and rubbed his hands.

crom, help me win, or to hell with you

hes clapping himself the arrogant bastard (!)

its the SK-gamingkit :)

look at the pro-gamer rounded shoulders! now theres a well formed posture :p :)

Jeez Z4, get a new mouse, dumbass. Superstition is for retarded retards.

Using the same equipment might put him in his best state of mind for playing the game. No superstitions required.

You're right. He probably just uses the mouse so he can always have the excuse if he loses. At least, the excuse in his own mind. It's like a safety net for him. He feels secure playing, because even if he loses, it's because of the mouse. No excuses if he uses something equal. It's ok, little ZeRo4; you'll always be a Zero in my book.

Hi Jewed. I'm part Jewish, but don't tell anyone.

Good for him he doesn't have too many occasions to make up excuses, right?

If he really does use the mouse for such a silly thing, I wouldn't guess it makes a difference. I mean hey, all it takes is dropping the bar one time without a safety net and then.... splat.

Jordan played outstanding matches in his university shoes. GG Nike technology. Mice are overrated as well.

That's a terrible analogy. A real analogy would be saying; Jordan played amazingly with a high ping, or on a machine which only gets 70 fps.

So you're saying that playing in old shoes makes a difference equal to 60ms of in ping?

I'm saying your smart ass comments only work on idiots.

You avoided the question.

Damnit... why do I keep getting drawn into these things?

I'm saying how playing with 60ms compared to 5ms is related to playing on an old ball mouse compared to a new 800dpi optical mouse. It's like driving a station wagon instead of a sports car. Sure, Schumacher would beat us all in a station wagon, but he'd do a lot better in a sports car.

That stupid John Hill...

Yes yes, the great Zero4 couldn't possibly be wrong about anything; and his sheep are the first to remind you of it.

When I look at his gaming dossier I would be inclined to trust him on mice rather than you (especially that my experiences are similar; especially considering what mouse Cooller uses). I hope you can understand my standpoint :p.

Yes, I understand. What do you mean what mouse Cooller uses? Doesn't he use an mx500?

MouseMan dual.

I see... the pictures aren't up right now. In this very image gallery, there's a picture of Cooller with an mx500. Some people commented on the page, but no picture right now.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=597953

Need to get glasses then 8(

Actually on almost every picture where cooller plays he uses a mx500 ....

I second that

LOL you just proved your own point.

Well MJ plays well even with a 100 degree fever from a stomach virus.

He never struck me like the kind of guy that makes up excuses.

You really like talking out of your ass, pumpkin?

i burnt my hand on a candle in a pumpkin once

Normally, I don't address narrow-mindedness, but in your case, i'll explain my true motives...... - I just want him to get a new mouse, cause he'll be a better player.

As far as you or I know, i'm right about why he uses the one he has now. If I was right, you would be the one talking out of your ass. Because of this fact, your entire statement is purely hypocritical. And don't call me pumpkin.

sure honeybunny.

defeated by logic. Run coward

He's used a different mouse quite a few times, he just keeps returning to this one.

lol.. my intial idea of talking about the mouse has really gone well :)

no he's watching cooller's game vs someone and he's like "man, this guy sux!" - and claps his hands in disbelief.=))

then he loses to him.

cause he couldn't stop laughing.