rapha vs z4 1st round....brutal

yea kinda unfortunate adzilla, but just a few players too short to avoid that.

yeah, poor Rapha ;(

brutal?

Is this double elim?

no

I wish

I want double elim! :(

silly brackets imo

xou pls pls make fixtures.

xou or Nukm :) both rock!

can do that later (when tdm finishes ;))
not too sure what fair starting odds would be for those matches though

Wow, so Rapha - Dahang finals?

ZeRo4 failed, so its his own fault he has to get demolished by my main nigga rapha.

LOL..

anyone notice top half of bracket is all new school duelers, and bottom if all oldschool bitches?

;D

its not guaranteed that rapha will beat zero4.

uhhh rapha is better hes like zero4 2.0. Just better in all fields of play, even aim.

yessir, but anything is possible. z4 is good enough to beat him with a lil luck

ZeRo4 is Most Accurate.

if rapha somehow loses, its not because zero4 is better in any way right now

majored and added it to the schedule
writing [b]Schedule:[/b] ... in the top line is not what you wanna do nude-fox ;)

then wat do?

cause then you get
aswell as the the neat countdown on top of the time that you faked ;)

indeed that is how i thought everyone did it. thanks for making it easier lol

awesome tournament, czm vs rest were probably best quake games I've seen in a while

disqualifying dark-horse Mongo

what did i miss?

edit; nvm...

ZeRo4 is gonna rape rapha.

Maybe t4 or hub, it's all rapha otherwise.

Actually, last time they met on t4, rapha showed z4 what's up. In fact, didn't he 3-0 him that series? Regardless, I doubt rapha gets "raped" by z4, I doubt z4 picks up a map against him. Rapha's t4 game is just as sick as zero4's.

If rapha is beaten, it's not by large margins... the only one who can rape rapha is cypher and only when he's on fire

I know, wishful thinking :p

have you not seen killsen vs rapha finals on gamescon?

k1llsen on fire looks similar to cypher on fire :@

while I agree with both of you, I've also seen Rapha on fire, and poor Cypher didn't stand a chance then. If he's got his head in the game I don't think Killsen would even get a chance to use his sick rail.

That was not the point. You can take your fanboyism elsewhere.

I'm sorry, it seemed that your point was "k1llsen or cypher on fire can hang with Rapha on a mediocre day", to which I responded with "Rapha on fire spanks them on their normal days like little nooblets".

how's that for fanboyism?

the point: "who can rape rapha". the answer: "cypher or killsen on fire". it doesn't have much to do with how rapha normally fares against them.

k1llsen 3:2 rapha

2:4 DM13
9:7 Battleforged
1:7 T7
21:4 Aerowalk
13:4 ZTN1

While rapha did lose aerowalk and ztn quite badly, a 3-2 result is hardly rape

Who cares, he got 'raped' on hub and ztn pretty hard.
Don't think cypher ever managed to do it quite as k1llsen did :p

eswc 2008?

so we're talking about a different game now?

nope we are not this was in quakelive iem cologne?

UGC grand finals?

sens/accel bug

zero4 is like the north american cooller. he fails over and over again but people still have faith in him

haha actually that's a pretty good analogy, haven't thought of him like that.

except he isn't

He hasn’t placed 2nd in world’s finals and he hasn’t won any EU or NA finals. If u can compare a ql world top 3 player with a ql top 30 player, then u r probably right.

especially hasn't won EU finals

like Cooller has won NA finals

(btw I don’t mean it. I am being sarcastic to your attempted sarcasm. Normally, I wouldn’t have to explain this, but judging from your replies I guessed that you might not get it)

you're comparing someone who attended like 12 (?) tournaments before winning the 13th (?), being the one *without the world champion attending* with someone who didn't play 1 LAN in quakelive, right?

I really don't feel like reading your comment so I'm probably way off base, but it sounds like you're suggesting ZeRo4 hasn't played any QL LANs? iirc, he was 2nd place at Quakecon 2008.

ah yeah he did, the first one. people were still playing cpma in those days...

yea, myself included. I didn't think QL would catch on and it was even more buggy in the early days than it is now. ugh.

hes must mean he's like cooller because he's one of the best players of all time. "he fails over and over again" never heard such retardedness, he won more prize money than rapha probably ever will 8 years ago

walter-rapha finals $$$

I'm sure that won't happen. In fact, I don't want that to happen. All it will be is rapha showing walter what's up and we end with a 10-15 minute final.

I think the 'the ever unpredictable Walter' has this easy

thats how you do it
shownormals, slowmo and music

damn straight

What song is that?

Jefferson Airplane - Today

Awesome track.

Hah, I have the album on my HDD.

I don't think shownormals has ever proved anything.

actually quite a few times it proved that the author is an idiot

proofed wtf gtfo

okay thats a bit embarrassing ;)

'it has proven'
:)

well its not a general statement, its just saying that at time x and y in the past it proved that the author is an idiot. not saying that using shownormals has always proven that the author is an idiot.
or am i missing something here?

dunno, for one, 'it proved' sounds wrong.. maybe because the proof is not a singular event in the past or something.

edit:

wasn't trying to grammar-nazi around tho. just thought that people who used shownormals in the past, 'were proven' to be stupid, and thus, still are stupid :) whatever...

nah i know, was just interested cause my english is based so heavily on feeling and i am trying to figure the actual rules out ;)

sounds fine to me

Hahaha you remind me of those 1.6 scrubs claiming that someone was cheating because his ch was on the model behind the wall.
"OMFG HAX CHEAT FFS"

you must admit that the most unpredictable and unrelated rail to the corner was epic tho.

He was drunk :D

are you drunked? (c) debtorr

100 ebucks says whoever made that video is a virgin

virgin yes haahahahahahah yes ofc virgin ahahahahahahahah
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STFU

Quake, NBA Finals, life is good!

+mlg which I really enjoy :P

Sunday 00:30 BST, 6 June 2011

Also known as Monday.

I'd plus you if i had acc or knew how to do it without

i'll do it for you

Update: ZeRo4 vs. rapha will be played 01:00 CET, 1 January 1970, while the semi-finals and finals will take place 14:00 CEST, 8 June 2011

time machine ftw.

lol I'm at MLG trying to figur things out and update ESR, and my brain is not working. SO SRY :[

wtf, enjoy mlg and let someone else do this

what are you doing at mlg? they don't have quake there do they?

yea, make sure that nobody from EU can watch

but as it is now is risky, delay it an hour or so more to be sure

As if tournaments in EU cater for NA audiences.

I was talking about the delays

o

Yeah you're dumb, I have to wake up at NOON to watch zotac finals. I'd easily sleep until 2pm so calm down, we have it worse than you.

Forced to wake up at noon, what is this? WWII era germany?

u r retarded

was talking about the delays not the actual schedule here

MY GOD NOON. He has to wake up at noon.
Such a tragic thing to have to wake up not in the morning but in the afternoon.

http://www.justin.tv/csntv#/w/1298267248
update your stream link

Laggy stream :(

un F'kin watchable... good night !

hmm how do i put this...
that ready up radio overlay logo on the stream looks horrible and is distracting
;)

choppy as hell on every possible setting

fix it asap

k stream fixed.

wonko, nice casting for strat and for play by play, but keep in mind silence during fights would be pretty good too sometimes, talking continuously makes us tune you out, like random noise ..

still working on that sir. thx for the feedback. i think ill go watch zsx casting to see how he did it. altho i have a feeling he just did no play by play at all. it seems pretty hard finding the balance. but yea today i talked way too much.

here's a bit of constructive criticism.

"czm opts to go for the yellow. he decides to do damage at the red... he is low on health... chance does get the mega... czm goes for a rail shot... he hits two rail shots..."

this sort of thing is unnecessary in my eyes (ears hehe). telling us this excessive information that we already know just from looking at the stream is in no way relevant to us. you should rather try focusing on sharing your insights, for example what a player should do to make a comeback, what qualities and weaknesses a player is showing, how one player could/does exploit the other player's playstyle, what specific actions/decisions made the outcome of each fight (weapon selection, positioning etc.), and so on. i would personally prefer a commentating style similar to this; a more analytical type of thing. because we do actually have vision on what the players are doing at all times...

i think you're doing a solid job, and i do appreciate the effort, but if anything, this is what i think you could focus more on.

this is not how play by play is done, even if you see what is happening.

ok, fine, but that's not my point. i just wanted to get across what i'd prefer in terms of commentating styles, that's all. i just made a somewhat extreme example to illustrate what i consider to be irrelevant, at least to me. i assume im not the only one who'd prefer focus on a more analytical aproach, for example the type of insights rapha has to offer when he's on the stream. although it's pretty much impossible to top his perspectives on this and that and what not and so on and so forth.

imo only rapha and maybe a couple of others can do that

im not sure if u really want absolutely no play by play at all. personally i agree with you in the sense that i want to be more analytical and less play by play but what i want to do is to relate whats happening on screen and THEN analyze. for me right now i think the focus is mostly on phrasing things correctly, in a way that lets me lead from the play to the analysis. for instance, in what you quoted, what i was aiming for was something like - "czm, having picked the yellow up decides to try and do some damage on red, however now hes too low on health to push for the mega. but czm brings himself back to even stacks with the two critical rail shots". i think if i can get that sort of concise phrasing for the play by play itll be much easier to get the analysis in there.

but no i dont want to pretend like im rapha and do pure analysis. i probably could try to do it if i put some effort in cos the analysis pops through my head most of the time but i doubt my mouth could keep up :).

anyway im not that worried. this is like my 2nd or 3rd week casting and already ive had to cast with like 5 or 6 separate partners. all the way from fishstix to rapha. thats a broad spectrum in terms of quake knowledge so its pretty hard to find an identity as either a play by play or an analyst sort of caster. lets see if there are more events to cast in north america.

thanks for the comments tho. its strange before taking up casting i wouldve said the exact same thing. :). maybe theres a lesson in there.

only watched 2-3 matches but i enjoyed your commentary so far and i am sure it will improve over time.

one thing i would like to add, make sure the analytic commentary does not take away the excitement of crazy shots and impressive frags. as good as 2gds commentary is for example, he sometimes simply keeps on talking, in a calm voice about something he observed, while the craziest things are happening. its really hard to feel excited for something when the commentator acts like nothing has happened.

Totally agreed. I wonder many times if commentators are closing eyes for a moment or anything else, when some insane shot happens or ridiculous battle 2-3 secs long takes place and they are like 'yeah, nothing interesting is happening right now, i'll keep analyzing' :D

ya that really bugs me too, wheat used to try analytical shit but when he saw something sick happen on screen he'd cut off and go HOLY FUCKBALLS or something, was good

More 'HOLY FUCKBALLS', less yadda yadda!

I only watched czm vs chance. Don't know if u were casting, but I was impressed. Definitely the best casting that I have heard from an american caster. I don’t even think that u need to change something. There was no bushtit in ur cast and that is very rare. The so called analytical cast, when isn’t done by a pro player, is 95% bullshit.

Personally, pros included, I remember listening something useful and clever only once, when 2gd first described Cypher’s ability to do max damage between fights in situations u don’t expect him to.

What the fuck is this BST shit, this is a NA tournament, use NA timezones to let us know the time, the Euro's don't give a shit about NA when they announce their schedules...

wat

just set ur timezone up correctly and it automatically puts it into ur timezone format?

epic fucking hub, when walter is on, hes like a drunk k1llsen, entertaining but hes still shit

hahaha

nice analogy

.

even if it was rl, would've still be completely off. nice try anyway. btw, how does it feel to lose using cheats?

walter vs dahang on hub was the game of the night, shame he couldn't replicate the performance on other maps.

chance and jovire in the semis, z4 and czm out. lol.

should be double elim, another dahang rapha final :/

That would be the case (even more so) with double elimination, so what's the point?

a lot more interesting matches like, z4 vs dahang for example

now that would be a match i'd like to see

From an entertainment aspect, you might be right. I do stress might, as we don't know what form the participants are in. So it could be a long tournament with a lot of nothing going on. Double elimination takes time, and it seems like not everyone is willing to sacrifice the time for single elimination, so I can't imagine double elimination bringing added (FUN) to the mix.

As far as the outcome, it will be what it is unless you didn't have a clear number 1 player and a clear number 2 player.

It seems that the Chance again had no chance against
Rapha.

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you didn't lose that map because it's the only map where you can blatantly use wh without raising suspicion. enjoy your mediocrity.

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"id rather be mediocre cheating in quake in my spare time than being a full time, pathetic, forum prick who only comments ABOUT quake "

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that was as unpredictable and unexpected as your rail.

v0dz?

there's a fucking link in the newspost. seriously.

not for ther latest games, I guess that's what he means.

so hard to go to the channel mentioned in the newspost:

http://www.justin.tv/cybersportsnetwork/videos

chill dude. i was looking at their alt channel wich is csntv and the latest games in there were from 4 days prior. it did not occur to me that they would have two channels for one organisation. my mistake, but you need to check your attitude.

all the other vods mentioned in the post are on this channel http://www.justin.tv/csntv/videos

i'm stupid to do the work (however trivial) for you.

yes, yes you are

:)

Is the hostility(1st reply) and the sarcasm(2nd) really necessary? I'm not naive and think that my post makes any difference to your online interpersonal style, but silence=unchecked.
(haha paras1te posted while I had my reply window up)

I don't know. I still (sadly) allow random people from the internet to irritate me (however slightly). In the end I probably shouldn't have bothered answering at all.

all good. very unusual(and commendable) to reply though. you've got many more plusses than me, so I'll move on :)

howcome these vods are choppy as hell again? i thought you figured out the problem

jesus paras1te, more whine? (haha, j/k) yea when w0nk0 hears that during a stream, he'll say let me turn off a few progs and see if that helps, or my machine must be overheating or something. Guess he's got a slow cpu/bottlenecked drive.

herp derp rail hur durr rail herp derp quit

-outlaw.

yeah dahang sucks so bad wtf

so when is this starting anyway?

someone in chat said it's starting an hour late

edit: actually that's wrong... i forgot to change my timezone, so it's starting in ~20 minutes as planned

zero4 fuck u

in soviet russia zero4 fuck u

And just think, someone wanted double elimination. LMAO!

watching the canucks get destroyed by the bruins > z4 getting destroyed by rapha

Everyone must wait tournament

This is not untypical of any quake event, so I don't hold this against CSN. I now have something to look forward to tomorrow, night all!

I see tournament games only can take place if they run at the same time as the NBA finals?

haha. this is exactly what i was thinking.

not untypical of any quake event? really? we have jeesports and zotac cups every weekend with 60 players or so they are played in 5-6 hours.

Ok you gonna say this has groupstages.. far enough.. so you could do it in 2 days.. not 2 weeks.

Maybe your giving the players too much choices here.. in all cups here if you dont feel like playing at the time the game was ment to be played.. your gonna loose by default.

Its just unprofissional.

Here's the problem, the players here are getting older, as are the admins. We have full time jobs, what we did here was try to accommodate everyone as best as we could. Sure it's not perfect but I think it's better than telling zero4, czm etc... that they can't play.

CSN_steve

I would rather wait than not see these games at all.

Calm down brother, this is really not that serious!

CSN is trying to provide a tournament that fits with the players schedule, and sometimes that requires some sacrifices from everyone. We as spectators complain about everything, so it really doesn't matter in the long run. If CSN were to just move on without the top players, then we would complain about that.

I'm going to enjoy rapha vs. zero4 just the same as if I would have viewed the match yesterday.

good luck enjoying that 5fps laggy vod :P

I'm calm down man.. just saying.

And you stated a really interesting fact.. "not that serious"

That is and always been the problem with quake.. people don't take it serious it will never be a serious game like others.

But no hate no hate.. GL for the games all.

I hear ya!

But when you think about it, quake is not doing that bad for what it is. Quake generates a different attitude and mindset in people, so it won't be taken as you would say "serious". We use words like rape, hate, nigger, fag, ho (just the English terms) among other things. So it's very hard to take it too serious, when those terms are used to describe players/plays.

When I'm playing it's almost as a tension reliever, I'm in a world where those things are allowed. And as we both know, that shouldn't be taken seriously. ;)

Who's the famous and oldschool caster?

djwheat ?

Let´s get it on! o_o

that was boring

I hope that someone record DEMOS, this great tournament!

Yaaay another Rapha vs DaHang final in NA .... zzzzzzzzzzz

you expected to two best players to lose or something?

no he didnt, hes just tierd of seeing these 2 in every american final

which dahang never wins

he did win that esl-iem-or-what-was-it-US

i dont get what especially is boring about watching these two players .. but i'm sure you have reasons :p

its like if strenx would win zotac every weekend

:LOL:

which he doesnt, so your analogy is invalid

DaHanG doesn't get 2nd place alltimes either.

rapha didnt win every time either

Rapha vs Zero4 VOD:

http://www.justin.tv/cybersportsnetwork/b/287596411

noice

overall, some rly nice games

Dunno what is with the schedule...but the semis and finals aren't going to be played until tomorrow night (Thursday) not tonight.

At least that is what I was told :P

ye, the schedule has been confusing all week.

Better prep for tonight, just to be safe. Good luck.

you play when we tell you to play

DJ Wheat?

I see 4 hours and 41 minutes to go, so I'm taking it as that.

zero4 played realy solid against Rapha! Few situations in dm13 and he could win it. I would love to see him in DH :(

he lost to sparks ffs

so has the great prozaC :O

only because he was drunked?

What the hell happened to the count down?

it's changed to tomorrow LOL

Not again!

like someone else said, csn are trying to compete with the nba finals

i hope they get WHAM BAM SHIZZAM casting in the finals

also: why is the rapha-z4 vod so bad? 5fps~ the rest have been fine =/

It was streamed at 740p, try lowering the quality

im sure some other streams were 720p and worked fine its just that video thats the issue. i normally watch live streams at 'best' quality so i doubt thats the reason

and you cant change the quality like that with vods (only live)...although right click -> quality -> low does nothing

the right click -> quality is just a setting for the flash renderer not for videos, it turns off anti-aliasing for any graphics the player is rendering.

yea didnt think it would help but with no 320/420p options there was nothing to try =/ dunno why lvl^ have the options to change it on vods

final completely unwatchable here =/

have rapha cast as he's playin the final

I bet they gonna bring fatal1ty back for shoutcasting.. that would be something.
Maybe they delayed this because he has been 24/7 geeking demos so that he can actually show people he knows anything about the current level of tactics/gaming.

I mean.. if they are making a big fuzz about the mistery shoutcaster .. it can only be a BIG retired name of quake.. and there are not many at US that we can think about.. IMO fatalitissssss.

Did Fat cast anything other than CGS? I wouldnt consider him a caster. It'll probably be DjWheat.

WE R LIVE

But djwheat is not an oldschooller.. i would be disappointed with that.

they said on stream it was supposed to be wheat.

not? LOL

he's the first serious quake caster and he even played tdm on a proper level before that, as stylez519.

i stoped watching the finals after 30 mins cause the caster talks the whole time without a single break, crosshairhitstyle 0, drawgun 0.
and anyway dahang wins vs ziel - rapha wins vs chance - rapha wins vs dahang.
caster get a prober config for the next time pls.

over?

still going

whoever is casting the games should slow down a little. the commentary
is ok, just too dense with obvius remarks.

That's an obvious post. Slow down.

Stream not working.... What's up??
I cant even open the page where the stream is. it's just white...

DOH!

http://www.twitchtv.com/cybersportsnetwork

lol..

wonko talks too fast
sparks talks too slow


Together, they are a perfect balance, rofl.

weird how that works but the cast is really good now with u both (when u dont talk over each other)


how the fuck does rapha or dahang beat the euros with such shit aim? lol

yea i think the grand final went quite well. finally managed to work out a rhythm with sparks. sort of feel like i made up for the rest of the night with the final game really. think i got angry at some of the shit that was going on on the side and lost focus for the first few games. ended up once again talking too much and messing up some stream stuff.

o well. its been a pleasure casting/streaming. i guess ill go back and watch the vods later on and figure out what i did wrong and maybe do things differently next time around if there are more events to cast on the american side.

really hope the csn tdm event comes through. both to play and to cast it. that would be so awesome. anyways hope i didnt ruin the experience for everyone with my constant blabber. vods are already up. gn.

final vods?

honestly, you did fine. wouldn't worry about it.

you did 1000000000000x better than fishstix or greasedscotsman

add nineX and slasher to that, fucking horrid casters

"how the fuck does rapha or dahang beat the euros with such shit aim? lol"

It's because they use their brain and not their Weiner!

gg rapha, absurd play

Judging by the brackets, chance seems to be playing well. Demos please!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzuWb6Qi6k

vods?

oh you...

Rapha may not have that raw aim like some euros have but he has such a difficult gamestyle to beat.. it's truly annoying.

You clueless or something?

Agreed, when raphas aim is on he's unbeatable.

Nice tourney, been some delays but for the most part it has run well.

Good dreamhack warmup

-wonko :DDDDDDD

Thank you CSN for organizing the event and thank you Wonka and Sparks for the streaming and casting!

The casting was very good. You have the perfect voice, Wonka, and your ability to speak without interruptions is a great gift. Although, some people have noted that the constant speaking can be a little daunting at times, I think that should be easy to change. Personally, I feel this only maybe a couple of times during a, say two hour, cast. The fact that you have casted only for such a short time amazes me, and I hope to hear another event with you casting!

P.S. you do go really well with Sparks.

-anonymous

didnt watch the finals...who wants to watch the same guy win... Ql is boring to watch compared to q3...fatal1ty was was the guy to watch way back...but it was exciting to watch...cooller was the next guy to watch...but it was exciting to watch...rapha...not at all. if this were osp..rapha would be top 20...but not the best

Because rapha never won anything in q3, right?

He didn't beat an unbeatable cypher at the ESWC finals, or win the stacked Masters of Athens event, he's just some top 20 n00b after all.

WHEN IS THE TDM

yeah. when is that shit.

as soon as you lazy fucks get 16x4 players together and signup

I've already got 4 players, and have had for quite some time. Everyone else seems to be lagging behind.

I need to all teams confirmed and I need them to SHOW UP. We'll wait till after dreamhack now.

CSN_steve