ESR - Who will win QuakeCon '09?

<< Comment #1 @ 10:17 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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.syL

I'm fairly certain about my choice. Also, national ego demands killsen to be included.

Maybe also include garpy, it could incite jamerio into betting his account again, and you should never miss a chance like that

<< Comment #2 @ 10:21 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #1

mmm'k, added k1llsen!

<< Comment #3 @ 10:25 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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hnns

needs av3k obv. and for the sake of fairness "someone else" option. i think guys like griffin, chance, naymlis, HELL are equally good as many on that poll. :)

Edited by hnns at 10:30 CDT, 9 August 2009

<< Comment #6 @ 10:33 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #3

mmm'ye, added av3k as well

<< Comment #13 @ 10:45 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #3

naymlis is going??

<< Comment #14 @ 10:47 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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hnns - Reply to #13

no idea actually. just figured all the yanks were!

<< Comment #16 @ 11:01 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #14

You are not reliable source.

<< Comment #18 @ 11:10 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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hnns - Reply to #16

you're still french

<< Comment #19 @ 11:10 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #18

You're still ice-cream

<< Comment #20 @ 11:24 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #13

Talked to him about a month ago in a server, pretty sure he said he wasn't going

Don't quote me on this :)

<< Comment #108 @ 20:13 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #13

no

<< Comment #109 @ 22:13 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #108

ok : /
Would have been nice to see you in a big event

<< Comment #4 @ 10:33 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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tifu

+avek
-one of cyphers :S

<< Comment #5 @ 10:33 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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stripy

chance is missing up there

<< Comment #7 @ 10:34 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou

fuck it, I'll just add everyone : ]

<< Comment #8 @ 10:36 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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efassd - Reply to #7

av3k still missing. ;)

<< Comment #9 @ 10:38 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #8

fixed

<< Comment #11 @ 10:40 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #7

Needs a "HorkaThane" option.

<< Comment #10 @ 10:39 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco

DKT isn't on EG, he's on Gravitas.

<< Comment #12 @ 10:44 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #10

yeah, was actually looking for his tag... need to check irc logs

<< Comment #15 @ 10:50 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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hnns

can cypher even practice for this? i've seen russians ping 80-85 to uk servers, they do better on polish servers?

<< Comment #31 @ 12:17 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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dubcat - Reply to #15

I played a two different russians on a .se server and they had around 55-65ms

<< Comment #32 @ 12:22 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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hnns - Reply to #31

ok. i guess kremlin families have good internet. :)

<< Comment #17 @ 11:09 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Eviili

Im missing all those russians, this is sad not a single .ru representative :(

<< Comment #57 @ 02:13 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #17

There can only be one cooller.

<< Comment #69 @ 07:52 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #57

its not just him, theres Jibo,mxz,nitrino,k1llmaster,quest1on,zilich (3ulu4),makaveli,hack3r,nike,Luc1fer...theres just shitload of great players from there.

But like you said COOLLER BEST PLAYER EVER!!!!!! :DDD

Edited by Eviili at 07:58 CDT, 10 August 2009

<< Comment #80 @ 15:29 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #69

after czm

<< Comment #86 @ 08:04 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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tbone - Reply to #80

after cooller

<< Comment #92 @ 10:49 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #86

after cooller!!

<< Comment #110 @ 02:03 CDT, 12 August 2009 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #92

after b100'death

<< Comment #112 @ 14:38 CDT, 12 August 2009 >>

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TUMULT - Reply to #110

after uNkind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

<< Comment #21 @ 11:24 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Terifire

Where's the fatal1ty option?

<< Comment #23 @ 11:40 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #21

"FPO*k1llsen"

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<< Comment #24 @ 11:41 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #23

K1llsen is fatal1ty? I didn't know.

<< Comment #25 @ 11:48 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #24

where did you see fatal1ty will play this tournament?

<< Comment #26 @ 11:55 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #25

A squirrel told me.

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<< Comment #27 @ 11:59 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #26

Squirrel is not reliable source.

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<< Comment #29 @ 12:01 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #27

Really? he gave me some crack:(

<< Comment #34 @ 12:36 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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crack - Reply to #29

o rly

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<< Comment #35 @ 12:41 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #34

this is so awesome

<< Comment #98 @ 12:43 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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slowi - Reply to #27

why not :o ?

<< Comment #22 @ 11:38 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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MarzenGold

cooller

<< Comment #39 @ 13:02 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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MaNi_DaDuDe - Reply to #22

doesnt play qlive?

<< Comment #46 @ 17:25 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #39

he can still win though

<< Comment #82 @ 18:31 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #46

fuck off cheap plus whores

<< Comment #28 @ 12:01 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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vedic

Need 2 more options so it's at 17.

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<< Comment #30 @ 12:11 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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efassd - Reply to #28

walter and fazz!

<< Comment #33 @ 12:36 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Magician

bodzo?

<< Comment #36 @ 12:48 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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tifu - Reply to #33

will watch on stream how big boys play? :>

<< Comment #37 @ 12:54 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Magician - Reply to #36

He is not going?

<< Comment #79 @ 11:48 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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vicek - Reply to #37

no, he wasn't even signed up, was he?

<< Comment #38 @ 13:01 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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MaNi_DaDuDe

Surprise DaHanG has no votes.

He will be among the top 5 though.

rapha, stermy, noctis, fox, hell/k1llsen and griffen/dahang/chance (one of the three :O) would be my top 6.

Good Luck guys.

EDIT : czm gonna come to qlive this year?

Edited by MaNi_DaDuDe at 13:08 CDT, 9 August 2009

<< Comment #40 @ 13:37 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #38

That's what I was thinking.. I voted Rapha, but DaHang is certainly right alongside him for skill.

edit: I do remember DaHang saying he was less interested in the 1v1 than the CTF.

Speaking of CTF, I hear Walter is attending? Has anyone else heard that?

Edited by focus at 13:38 CDT, 9 August 2009

<< Comment #42 @ 14:03 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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neb - Reply to #40

yes, he is.

<< Comment #70 @ 07:55 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Dird - Reply to #38

that's 9

<< Comment #41 @ 13:38 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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stripy

rapha,dahang,chance/dkt - na
fox, spartie, stermy - eu

<< Comment #43 @ 14:17 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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vorpal

people are voting for fox? are you serious?

<< Comment #58 @ 02:16 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #43

Only because you're not on the list.

<< Comment #81 @ 18:01 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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random99 - Reply to #43

Voting for Fox since 2004. It's about time he wins something. :P

<< Comment #44 @ 15:17 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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StywoO

Add LoSt CaUzE to the list to. :)

<< Comment #52 @ 19:26 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #44

For what team is he playing?

<< Comment #67 @ 04:56 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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StywoO - Reply to #52

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/1057

Team CaUzE?

Edited by Stywo0 at 04:56 CDT, 10 August 2009

<< Comment #45 @ 15:33 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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DamianLillard

I voted for rapha because he has the cooller bible (+5 to holy damage)

<< Comment #47 @ 17:31 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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antroz

toxjq is signed up

http://registration.quakecon.org/attendeelist.php

xou: add him to the poll.

<< Comment #48 @ 17:35 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #47

he ain't going, like a lot of other ppl that are signed up

<< Comment #49 @ 17:36 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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antroz - Reply to #48

:(

Saw him duelling yesterday and hoped.

<< Comment #53 @ 19:39 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #49

well... how was he doing?

<< Comment #55 @ 20:04 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #53

quite rusty

<< Comment #77 @ 09:27 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #53

his shaft always feel good :)

<< Comment #111 @ 03:23 CDT, 12 August 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #77

homoeroticism on MY esr?

<< Comment #61 @ 03:52 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Anonymous (p5B33B96C.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #48

too bad. Regarding to his last quakecon achievements he can win easily when he is in shape. He raped fox, dahang and naymlis in q3.

<< Comment #62 @ 03:53 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #61

yeah, and he was also great in eswc athens last year

... ;)

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<< Comment #64 @ 04:26 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Anonymous (p5B33B96C.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #62

he played closed matches on pro-nodm9 and pro-q3dm6 but got a deficit on hub3aeroq3 (which isnt present in ql ;) so...

I blame his fail in groupstage on the seeds. He had to play fox and rapha. Fox knows his playstyle and rapha was the strongest player in the whole tourney. ofc just my opinion

<< Comment #65 @ 04:40 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Anonymous (p5B33B96C.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #64

btw he was playing mostly ql at this time which explains the lack on hub3aeroq3

<< Comment #50 @ 18:31 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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erthx

cypher!!!!!!

<< Comment #51 @ 19:23 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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Loop?

i hope k1llsen causes some upsets. he's definitely able to do so if he's in good shape.

p.s. i just recently saw one of these LLL* whatever guys on a tdm server having almost exactly the same nickstyle as my precious clan. how dare these fools... 8[

<< Comment #54 @ 19:57 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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doYdY

thresh has this one in the bag!

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<< Comment #75 @ 09:00 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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zoinks - Reply to #54

No Ferrari this time, tho.

<< Comment #76 @ 09:16 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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doYdY - Reply to #75

yeh recession and all that :<

<< Comment #78 @ 09:44 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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zoinks - Reply to #76

Yeah. :<

<< Comment #56 @ 23:31 CDT, 9 August 2009 >>

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_agu

fox is always rocking on the top!

<< Comment #59 @ 02:19 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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apoxic

I wonder why people are voting noctis, seeing as he has the least chance to win on this list.

<< Comment #60 @ 03:51 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #59

its the "i have no opinion option" seeing as its "NOT... noctis" :P

<< Comment #66 @ 04:46 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #60

Yes, disguised as a stupid clan tag of some sort probably makes everybody understand that!

<< Comment #63 @ 03:56 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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rexobb

fox all the way.

<< Comment #68 @ 07:35 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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bsk

Top 3: Cypher, Rapha, Avek.

I voted Avek. Make me proud, my Polish son!

<< Comment #71 @ 07:58 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Dird

the lord shall smite them so rapha will win

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<< Comment #141 @ 03:38 CDT, 16 August 2009 >>

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Shrike - Reply to #71

Ding!

<< Comment #72 @ 08:18 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Mitritch

Where is walter? I heard, he will attend QuakeCon this time...

<< Comment #74 @ 08:21 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #72

It's walter, it's a LAN -> must be a joke! : ]

<< Comment #83 @ 18:33 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #72

he'll get sick 1 day before or smthn like that, dont be naive

<< Comment #73 @ 08:20 CDT, 10 August 2009 >>

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Kaide

go rapha!

<< Comment #84 @ 02:33 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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raithza

I'm amazed at how low people rate spartie.

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btl - Reply to #84

Did you watch his ESL demos? His rockets and prediction were terrible and not even remotely on the same level as noctis, fox and even k1llsen.

If he hasn't improved dramatically since then there's no chance he'll make top 3.

<< Comment #87 @ 08:11 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #85

you honestly believe k1llsen will place higher than spart1e? you germans are delusional!

Edited by sucky sucky 5 dolla at 08:11 CDT, 11 August 2009

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btl - Reply to #87

If he finishes lower or higher than k1llsen probably depends on seating luck but if both meet @ quakecon k1llsen will come out on top. IMHO Spartie is the most overrated of the european players. He doesn't have fox/stermy aim and his prediction & rockets flat out suck (always compared to the top players of course).

This is judging from the games he played in the ESL invitational and his maps vs Bodzo in the bigfoot tourney. Maybe he has improved since then but I doubt it.

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f0cus - Reply to #88

he's beaten Rapha before. Granted, that was when he had a high-skill + hacks practice partner, but still. He's proven himself to be quite the player over and over, and performs well on LAN, so I think he'll do fine.

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #89

Yeah. I think he can turn it up when it needs to be turn up. I still see him struggling to make top 8.

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funnyb - Reply to #88

"He doesn't have fox/stermy aim and his prediction & rockets flat out suck"

i love watching fox play, no disrespect but spart1e 2-0? again, my ass to your face?

<< Comment #125 @ 20:33 CDT, 14 August 2009 >>

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btl - Reply to #124

Too bad we couldn't see the fox vs spartie game so we don't know what was going on

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funnyb - Reply to #125

2-0 m8y, thats what was going on. you germans crack me up <3

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btl - Reply to #128

Yeah like most I was putting fox over spartie as well but spartie beating fox 2-0 doesn't mean k1llsen wouldn't have beaten fox also 2-0

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funnyb - Reply to #133

it pretty much does, fox has beaten k1llsen very very recently, hows your memory big boy :p im done here btw, thanks for your time <3

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btl - Reply to #135

I still think something was kinda off with fox when someone like spartie beats him 2-0. But maybe Spartie really wasn't and isn't overrated and he'll make it into a $$ spot! You'd prove me completely wrong.

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funnyb - Reply to #136

will be fun to see, fox also lost to dahang, something i really didn't expect, either fox is out of shape or spart1e and dahang is really really good atm, going to be interesting to see the final top3

<< Comment #91 @ 10:45 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #87

what is it with your grudge against that guy? he sure as hell got the ability to place better than spartie.

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funnyb - Reply to #91

the guy never really achieved anything worth mentioning, ever.

spartie beat rapha.

<< Comment #94 @ 11:15 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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hnns - Reply to #93

k1llsen was third in last years eswc wasn't he? or whichever big tourney it was. spartie placed second in some far less skilled tourney where he beat rapha? and isn't really doing that impressive online to put him above k1llsen afaik.

Edited by hnns at 11:15 CDT, 11 August 2009

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funnyb - Reply to #94

k1llsen got high in that joketourney with lolmonitors, on proper setups he never did anything worth mentioning.

<< Comment #96 @ 11:22 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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hnns - Reply to #95

true. still, equally impressive results imo. spartie losing to all sorts of guys online (guys like blanka). k1llsen played much better in the esl tourney too. you can't rate him above k1llsen based on anything.

<< Comment #97 @ 12:40 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #95

su, k1llsen rapes ;(

<< Comment #106 @ 19:06 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #94

Also was the first player to knock out Cypher? :p Athens or Paris

<< Comment #123 @ 20:06 CDT, 14 August 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #85

so, my ass to your mouth? deal?

ignorant fanboys..

<< Comment #126 @ 20:36 CDT, 14 August 2009 >>

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btl - Reply to #123

still a long long way from top 3

<< Comment #127 @ 20:36 CDT, 14 August 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #126

yeah, but k1llsen? gogo m8, gogo.

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btl - Reply to #127

They played each other yet? I think I might have missed that game

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funnyb - Reply to #129

no and they won't, seeing as k1llsen is knocked out.

and spart1e isn't. in fact, he's in the wb semi finals. hm, see where this is going kraut?

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btl - Reply to #130

Seems like my predictions were spot on then

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funnyb - Reply to #131

if that makes you feel bettur

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btl - Reply to #132

Thanks for your concerns. It really does!

<< Comment #142 @ 02:43 CDT, 17 August 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #85

orly

<< Comment #90 @ 10:31 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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kajebilo

cyper is overrated too.

<< Comment #99 @ 14:18 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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RMS - Reply to #90

"cyper" is nobody

Edited by RMS at 14:22 CDT, 11 August 2009

<< Comment #100 @ 14:55 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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KitesAreFun

Rapha
Stermy
Cypher
Av3k

<< Comment #101 @ 15:38 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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erok

1. Rapha
2. Cypher
3. Av3k
4. stermy
5. DaHanG

As much as I'd like to see fox win he will rage at the monitors again once he gets into quarter finals or w/e

<< Comment #102 @ 17:01 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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dav1d_aka_latuch

rapha
av3k
cypher

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Lethe - Reply to #102

this

<< Comment #103 @ 17:45 CDT, 11 August 2009 >>

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