01:20:08 (@funjibay) im gonna vote keep current settings
01:20:11 (@funjibay) just cause we aren't in yet
01:20:13 (@funjibay) and hopefully
01:20:14 (@funjibay) teams will drop
01:20:15 (@funjibay) :D!

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whoever this funjibay character is, he sounds like a true idiot

just another failed q3er, nothing to see here really

20 min timelimit, 30sec respawn, 50 mg ammo (if 5dmg per bullet, 100 if 3 or 4 dmg per bullet) and weapon dropping.. and remove cripple effect on mg, lg and plasma

cripple effect is gone...they just upped the knockback so much it pretty much is the same thing

having 90ms to swedish servers doesn't help, and servers that can't handle the set maxclients

Yea their routing and server support is pretty shitty...

Some new Swedish servers were recently launched, you should have good ping there.

nice, 14ms.. now i only need an urge to play :>

pointless poll. obviously people will vote for q3 settings as theyre stuck in their ways

welcome to the quake community. enjoy your stay.

Has it occured to you, that people may prefer the q3 settings not because they are used to it but because these settings proofed to maximise the competitive aspect of tdm?

ql tdm as it is now is complete shit and doesn't have much to do with tdm anymore.

I think TDM should be like this:

q3 ammo system
4 mg damage, 50 - 75 mg ammo
20 min timelimit
weaponrespawn 30
weapondrop

yea cuz vq3 tdm is so awesome, lol

i like to think so yeah...

according gtv specs in 2 latest nationcups, it is.

you didnt understand at all what I was talking about.

and you didn't understand what endi was talking about :P

no its because they bum Q3. the same thing happened with Q4 asking for similar features/settings and maps. they're just reluctant to change. People don't want to stand around for 30 seconds without a weapon it's not fun and pressuring them to change to it will lead to QL going the way of Q3, dead besides the hardcorers.

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now now, what's this, a competitive setup for competitions?

newbs on pubs can still fool around with current settings when (some) leagues use more competitive rules.

and then you get OSP, VQ3, CPM instead of a community united under a single standard

there would be (de facto is) a standard for q3, and that is cpma. if us people were less pathetic it would have been widely and way earlier accepted than it already is, but such is life it seems. seeing as this community failed to agree on a standard, maybe it's a better approach to make the ones ultimately in charge (id) get it right now, and then have the sheep (the community) follow it. turns out this community eats anything if only it is fed to them by the right hand.

Who decides the standard?

nobody. if id suddenly said ok we are going to have q3 tdm settings not a single player is gonna stop playing. the fact that the community went from vq3 to ql even when it was in closed beta shows you who sets the tone. vq3ers are sheep plain and simple. and loud annoying whiney sheep at that.

As far as I'm concerned the standards already been set and people just need to stfu and adapt to the new settings

By that logic, we should be playing Q4 or UT3.

no because ultimately we're given the option of what game to play. If you dont like the ql settings and want to play q3 settings then fuck off back to q3, simple as.

How is that any less of a split than having 2 different sets of settings under the same game?

because you have different game communities; cod, cs, cs:s etc but each community is united under a standard. with q3 youve got cpm & vq3 both with small communities and you have ql with a big community. i dont see a point in splitting the community just so that a limited number can play the exact same way as they would in quake 3, they should just fuck off back to quake 3 and stop causing hassle.

either that or adapt and deal with the fact that its not quake 3

jesus, go play ffa with your friends, you don't seem like you actually want to play TEAM deathmatch.

or im just not some q3 faggot stuck in his ways and am happy to play with the current settings

You really don't get it

This doesn't have anything to do with q3, ppl are not complaining because its not q3, they are complaining because the weaponrespawntime removes most of the "TEAM" from fucking TEAMdeathmatch. What for did they add weapondrop if everyone can have every weapon after one minute anyway.

It doesn't even have to be 30 sec. 20-25 would prolly be fine as well. For the timelimit 16 would already be better, so you can actually use the last powerups.

You are prolly also one of those guys that want to play dm20 in tdm, a freaking 2 room map which has a teleporter on both sides that leads to the other room...

I'd rather see a complete re-working of Q3/QL TDM to be honest. It needs more focus and structure than it does currently and it could all go hand-in-hand with a new map pool (So we don't have to play dm6/7 for another twenty years).

I'd be fine with that as well, but the state it is in right now is nothing short of a joke. And since id doesn't really give a shit about competitive tdm (i have seen at least 2 id employees say so) a reworked tdm mode is also very unlikely.

Yeah :(

I really couldn't give a shit about QL at the moment, I find duel and CA boring, CTF is slightly better I guess but TDM is the one mode I actually really enjoy and they've destroyed it for no good reason.

and thats why they ask for the same times as in q3...ye...

why hate a new approach to TEAMdeathmatch? Instead of having 4 people running around individually raping players (screams team to me) with no weapons you need people to actually work as a team and attack members 2v1 to cancel out weapons they may pick up

because thats not how it turns out, what really happens is everyone rushing the main areas of the map with weapons, making it 15 minutes of brainless fulltime rush, and if one team tries not to play like that they lose for certain unless the other team is really shit.

Kinda like dm7 in q3, just that instead of cessing with mg, now its cessing with all weapons. Its still cess tho.

And they are asking for the times of q3 because we know that those work.

youve got cpm & vq3 both with small communities and you have ql with a big community.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=quake+3%2C+qua...amp;sort=0
http://trends.google.com/websites?q=quakelive...amp;sort=0

Wait, what?

Splitting the community into different games only kills QL even faster than it's already dying. Remember, if QL isn't a great success, it goes under. When it dies, the QL players who don't quit and who want QL settings in Q3 will only split what little community is left.

sif google trends mean anything

Denial is so predictable. Any excuse you have for QL being EXACTLY level with Q3 right now?

well what does google trends work off? google searches? Maybe because people already know quakelive.com & have it in their favourites and are therefore too busy playing to google it~

I presented both a hits result and a search result. Searches can help to give you an idea how the game is progressing, and how many new players are being introduced to the game. If nothing else, you can use the graph to deduce that QL is now EXACTLY in line with the activity curve of Q3.

You can believe id's numbers if you want, but you'll have to face facts when they shut QL down due to inactivity.

TL 20, Weapondrop, Weaponrespawn abit higher, the rest is oke sofarr i know :> maybe some more stuff

thank you spyteman

Please change the settings.. TDM in QL in his current form is a JOKE !!

Keep public settings as they are, it's fine for public gameplay.

But why shackle the competitive community by asking them to keep public settings on private servers that will only be used for scrims/matches and potentially pickups?

AFAIK they plan to allow these changes to be made on priv servers with the competition settings arqon is working on

if arqon is working on something it will just fail.. so ye, gonna suck.

yeah they should hire analyzer and that french coder imo, they did an awesome job so far with modding q3.

ok let the whine begin! OSP FOR QL!!111!!1111!1ONE!!1!111

what?

that's my point

i thought arqon was the only person to ever work on q3... xD

Actually everything arQon made so far became quite succesful, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

what i would like to know is, is there any earthly reason why they cant already do that on the private servers, the ggl and cb ones that is. i remember someone changing g_gravity, so isnt weaponrespawn a variable also? or does it not exist atm?

yes, those are all standard server settings, no need of custom stuff, private server, arqon, blabla.

All these people saying 'all vq3ers' are sheep.. It's kind of unfair.
Not all vq3ers are like that, I'd say most vq3ers aren't like that.

Anyone who disagrees is a vq3-o-phobe =)

had the same opinion back then when I played vq3 and vq3 only =)

what ever happened to the argument by all the ql kool aid drinkers "QL ISN'T Q3, IF YOU WANT "fill in the blank" THEN GO PLAY Q3/CPMA!!" If ID decided that ql tdm is gonna have 12 second weapon respawn then shouldn't we all be accepting it. It seems most people just want ql to be q3 but the problem is. Whats their idea of q3. What bits and pieces of q3 should be converted over to ql. As long as it fits in with their idea of what q3 should be then yes its ok but if not then its the same old "QL ISN'T Q3!!!".

I'd say if they want QL TDM to have 12 second weapon respawn, they should probably rename it to FFA-2.

theres nothing wrong with a lower weaponrespawn time in tdm, you just need to make other adjustments to make it work properly.(lower mg damage, remove weapdrop, stronger armors etc.). I like the idea really, but i think there should be done some testing with different values, like how does 15 work with no weapdrop, and lower mg damage for example, could give a refreshing boost while keeping the interest for the newbies. Cause face it, new players don't want to run around without a weapon. And having different settings in Clanbase than on the normal servers is only gonna be a source of annoyance to everyone.

remove dm20 ;)

remove dm20 ;)

Remove dm20

keep dm20 ;)

is that what you meant with change to something else? then you should change your vote as this is not really about the mappool but the game mechanics.

new PRO TDM servers with 30 seconds weapon respawn!
is this meaning also clanbase will have this setting?

double.

thx to id for listening :)
guess clanbase will gladly use the 'pro' settings