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ZTN for Q4 (187 comments)

( Journal: Q4)

Posted by zeicon @ 17:28 UTC, 6 November 2005 - iMsg

just writing to let you know that I'm working on a ZTN remake for Q4...

here's a pic...

http://www.casperchristophersen.com/q4_ztn.jpg

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<< Comment #1 @ 18:00 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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skint '

;(

so you imported the q3 version into the q4 editor/used a program to make the q3 bsp work in the q4 editor and changed the textures.

lol

Edited by skint at 18:06 GMT, 6th Nov 2005

<< Comment #2 @ 18:02 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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qtip

another 5 years of zZztn is just what quake needs :EE

<< Comment #17 @ 20:50 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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fubar - Reply to #2

footballers have played on the same green field for decades...

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<< Comment #29 @ 23:01 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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HolyFather - Reply to #17

am i the only one who thinks football could be much more interesting with a couple jumppads and teleports? :PP

<< Comment #34 @ 00:33 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Demiurge +' - Reply to #29

and dont forget VEICHLES!!!

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<< Comment #42 @ 05:25 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Lith - Reply to #34

i'd [+] that if it was speelled right...

<< Comment #46 @ 06:39 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Demiurge +' - Reply to #42

i would have wasted 1 second of my life reading your post if you have had spelled "speelled" right

<< Comment #47 @ 06:56 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Lith - Reply to #46

hmmm... maybe he didn't get the jooke...

<< Comment #48 @ 07:16 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Demiurge +' - Reply to #47

Edited by yeltsin_ at 07:19 GMT, 7th Nov 2005

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<< Comment #88 @ 17:22 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #48

i don't pretend to know what your talking about.

<< Comment #177 @ 00:27 UTC, 21 November 2005 >>

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luKrek - Reply to #88

you pretend to know what his talking about? Not comprehensive!

<< Comment #43 @ 05:55 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Ph4ntom - Reply to #17

LOL dude, i love your attitude :P

<< Comment #84 @ 12:23 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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manic - Reply to #17

what football really needs is an osp type mod :/

<< Comment #113 @ 06:30 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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fnx - Reply to #84

this is why outdoor sports and lanners shouldnt mix :/

Edited by fnx at 06:33 GMT, 11th Nov 2005

<< Comment #121 @ 21:11 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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eoe.d1ablo - Reply to #84

and green brightskeens?

<< Comment #122 @ 21:21 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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manic - Reply to #121

yeah, the italian teams always use the Corpse model :(

<< Comment #168 @ 15:42 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #17

Well if thats the case, lets all come back to qw, or doom 2 maybe??

<< Comment #170 @ 18:56 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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stoneeh - Reply to #2

i remember qtab as an asshole but in this matter, he's damn right :)

<< Comment #3 @ 18:08 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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ichooo

you've got the permission from ztn to remake his map? if not, you're not allowed to release this map.

<< Comment #5 @ 18:21 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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Khorney - Reply to #3

Indeed, he should ask ztn for permission first.

<< Comment #12 @ 19:53 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #3

funnily enough he doesn't need it, you can't copy write such materials.

<< Comment #22 @ 21:37 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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nahraq - Reply to #12

well, let's put it this way: he can be an ass, ignore ztn, make it for the 'fame' of it, bragging rights, and whatnot, OR he can be a dedicated guy with a real portfolio of nice maps, ask ztn, get permission, and redo the map

in the first case, maybe he isn't doing anything illegal. but he's still an ass.

<< Comment #23 @ 21:56 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #22

I'm not a mapper. I'm a player. I'm making it in order to play it. Not to brag about it. I was hoping that the community could benefit from it as well, but if that's not the case, I will just finish the map and play it with my friends... while being an ass of course.

<< Comment #36 @ 01:32 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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sphinx - Reply to #23

if you want the community to benefit from it, let credit be given where its due, and ask the makers of the maps if you can remake it. If being a community is about blatantly copying and stealing without the maker approving, i might missunderstand the word community.

<< Comment #71 @ 00:10 UTC, 8 November 2005 >>

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primax - Reply to #23

at least name it different, not ztn4tourney1. ztn is the nick of the maker.

<< Comment #72 @ 15:56 UTC, 8 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #71

I know... but the map is called ztn3tourney1 (and blood run) and has always been referred to as ZTN...

<< Comment #156 @ 02:23 UTC, 16 November 2005 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #72

It is called ZTNDM3 - Blood Run, the original that is.

<< Comment #157 @ 02:47 UTC, 16 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #156

yeye...

<< Comment #165 @ 14:44 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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baron Railgun - Reply to #23

"while being an ass of course."
be an ass please!
:))
I'd be curious to see the map

<< Comment #107 @ 15:09 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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funkeh - Reply to #3

and do you ask ID for a permission to make a map? I mean your using their textures and graphic engine for it?

This is not a flame, i agree with the asking to the author part, i'm just wondering..

<< Comment #110 @ 00:34 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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ini - Reply to #107

I seem to remeber id saying that they would allow remakes(All original brushwork) but not copy/paste (And textures can be used as long as you are not distributing them e.g. they are in the games base paks)

<< Comment #171 @ 18:57 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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stoneeh - Reply to #3

electric chair ffs!!!!!1111

<< Comment #4 @ 18:20 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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oblivion

:( q4 graphics are terrible

<< Comment #44 @ 05:59 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Ph4ntom - Reply to #4

that's why i searched my ass off in q4 for the picmip commands :D
who needs to dislike q4 graphics cos they are just as bad as q3's was in picmip 1.. i think they make them so crap so we will lower it :P

<< Comment #115 @ 15:16 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #44

wth, q3 is nice consider its 5+ years old

http://www.x101.nildram.co.uk/q3/q32.jpg

alot better looking than q4 :P

<< Comment #119 @ 20:22 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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Demiurge +' - Reply to #115

I think id artists are simply amazing, and paul steed was an awsome modeller

<< Comment #123 @ 23:53 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #119

So what happened to d3/q4 than ?

<< Comment #124 @ 01:41 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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sharakin - Reply to #123

don't come here and say d3 didn't look good. it was a shite game but at least it looked good :]

<< Comment #128 @ 10:25 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #124

D3 did NOT look good, the models were low poly and the textures werent good either, it just had tons of bump mapping to hide the shit models/texures and imo bump mapping loocks crap, fake and plasticy

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<< Comment #129 @ 10:42 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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sharakin - Reply to #128

haha ok.

<< Comment #125 @ 04:58 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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Demiurge +' - Reply to #123

what nikarahs said, and q4 was by raven, last time i checked =p

<< Comment #6 @ 18:23 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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skint '

when people are going to remake maps id wish they would do as swelt does and start from the ground up, the map will need to be changed in its layout slightly so it actually works with q4. not just a copy paste. or in this case not even making the architecture himself.

<< Comment #49 @ 09:30 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #6

I will release the map without radical changes to the layout. Then I can modify the map based on people's suggestions.

<< Comment #53 @ 12:13 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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skint ' - Reply to #49

my point is the fact that you havnt even MADE a map, you just used some conversion tool.

<< Comment #54 @ 12:37 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #53

It's not about making maps... it's about getting good maps so we can play them. I'm not even gonna put my name on the map or anything like that because I don't care about that. I just want the map so I can play it.

So your point is that I'm a poor/lazy mapper... you're right, but I never claimed otherwise.

again, it's not about making maps...

<< Comment #155 @ 00:42 UTC, 16 November 2005 >>

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FTY - Reply to #53

Exactly what conversion means! Do you think ZTN started from scratch on Bloodrun for Q3? He prolly imported his old work from QW days and changed it a bit. As O'dium did with q3dm6 for Quake 4 as Zeicon did with Bloodrun now. Even the Raven guys prolly loaded q2dm1 into their editor and changed the geometry.

Why would anyone reinvent the wheel, at least not if you want to keep the whole map more or less the same.

<< Comment #158 @ 12:45 UTC, 16 November 2005 >>

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skint ' - Reply to #155

yes i think ztn did start from scratch with q3 ztn, since hes a proper mapper.

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<< Comment #160 @ 11:52 UTC, 17 November 2005 >>

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........ - Reply to #155

wouldn't work at all, try it with any qw map into the q3 engine

the jumps are a different height and length, the viewpoint is different, etc.

<< Comment #162 @ 12:25 UTC, 17 November 2005 >>

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FTY - Reply to #160

I don't know much about the Q3/Q4 editors, but when useing some proper 3D modeling software, you select the entire set .. and you scale it. You just import the basic geometry, scale, modifie, retexture, etc.

I might also add, that it's not always the point of a remake to play exactly the same as the previous version. But I agree that the map should be in proportions to acomodate the player model.

<< Comment #163 @ 12:53 UTC, 17 November 2005 >>

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........ - Reply to #162

try it, you'll see how different the scale is between qw and q3 in terms of both vertical size and jump heights and ditances

<< Comment #172 @ 19:02 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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stoneeh - Reply to #163

so what?
youre still an asshole

<< Comment #57 @ 17:19 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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bakedburn - Reply to #6

At least he attempted to make it good, I like how it looks but still it needs work and yeah don't you need consent from the company who made the map? lol.. I would think so

<< Comment #7 @ 18:35 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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sonic '

you aint ztn m8, ul.

<< Comment #8 @ 18:42 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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LovingAngel

Just to tell you: Another guy was working on a remake of the ztn map. ZTN himself told him to stop his work. So I am not sure if you really have the permission to work on such a conversation.

Ignore the post if you have the permission of ZTN.

<< Comment #70 @ 23:01 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (BSN-77-186-154.dsl.siol.net) - Reply to #8

Cut the crap. There's a 'convert -format map' command in q3map2 since like forever and people have been stealing maps since q2. Whoever gives a shit what ztn says. He's not using his textures or anything besides the layout. What will ztn do, sue him for copying over numbers that dictate brush size and positions? lol I'm assuming this dude isn't from US so whatever law you have there regarding copyright won't work.

<< Comment #91 @ 21:16 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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virax - Reply to #70

"... this dude isn't from US so whatever law you have there regarding copyright won't work."

LovingAngel isn't in the US either, Einstein. :)

Edited by virax at 21:24 GMT, 9th Nov 2005

<< Comment #106 @ 09:31 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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LovingAngel - Reply to #91

Yes, I am from Switzerland and I am not talking about laws. I am just pointing out the fact that ZTN himself said to another guy that he should stop his work. For me, this seems like a clear indication that he doesn't want to have his maps ported over to Quake 4, at least not by other people. Therefore, It seems logic that one does not port it over unless one asks him or he does it himself. There shoud be a kind of respect to the mapper, but it seems Zeicon lacks that respect. Sad to see such things towards a guy who created very good maps.

<< Comment #9 @ 19:36 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (proxy1.anon-online.org)

Invent something new instead.

<< Comment #21 @ 21:07 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #9

I'm not an inventor. I'm not even a mapper. I'm just an old Quake 3 player who wants to play ztn3tourney1 in Quake 4... so that's what I'm gonna do.

<< Comment #10 @ 19:47 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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luKrek

PLEASE GOD NO

<< Comment #28 @ 22:57 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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HolyFather - Reply to #10

heartily agree, sir.

<< Comment #76 @ 19:34 UTC, 8 November 2005 >>

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calleking - Reply to #10

i bet you want dm6.. kräk!

<< Comment #77 @ 02:38 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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luKrek - Reply to #76

Why yes, yes I do.

<< Comment #11 @ 19:51 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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steg

plz dont murder a classic

<< Comment #13 @ 19:54 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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rolf

heh, worst journal ever :)

<< Comment #14 @ 20:01 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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GreenBastard

looks like crap

<< Comment #18 @ 20:51 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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fubar - Reply to #14

it will look even worse when you and everyone else turn down all the graphics

<< Comment #15 @ 20:03 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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koOma

Well if ztn himself don't wanna make it, let someone else do it. The map owns.

<< Comment #16 @ 20:22 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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Morba - Reply to #15

the map owns.... in q3.

this is q4, the whole thing would need rescaling and all sorts

<< Comment #19 @ 20:52 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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koOma - Reply to #16

Ofc.. For it to be worth making it has to adapt to Q4's physics and gameplay

<< Comment #20 @ 21:04 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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RassK

make it a

fpsmap

<< Comment #24 @ 22:33 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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xfoo

Swelts CPMA version of bloodrun would make for a better remake.

Oh, and get permission from ZTN.

<< Comment #27 @ 22:45 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #24

actually the scale of that looks on par witht he quakeworld version

<< Comment #25 @ 22:35 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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CLains

more color less grey please :[

ppl always forget colors :x

<< Comment #26 @ 22:38 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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poub

Apparently ztn himself already posted a comment to a german mapper who wanted to remake his map for q4 as well, i'll sum it up for you: dont remake or release any of his material for q4 - especially not without asking him.

<< Comment #30 @ 23:06 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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dirky

Spend your time making a new map instead of old ones that have been played over and over and over again

<< Comment #31 @ 23:18 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #30

Since when did people here actually start to care about innovation? The same people who started bitching and moaning when they realized that Quake 4 is actually a different game than Quake 3...

I don't have time to make a new map so I will spend my time making an old one. Shame on me, I know...

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<< Comment #32 @ 23:26 UTC, 6 November 2005 >>

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #30

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=925781#pid925878

<< Comment #33 @ 00:11 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Aaron

i bet if czm made this post you would be all nosing it.

<< Comment #35 @ 00:35 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Demiurge +' - Reply to #33

You lose.

<< Comment #37 @ 02:55 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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xfoo - Reply to #33

czm isn't stuipd enough to remake a map without getting permission?

<< Comment #38 @ 03:05 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #37

That wasn't the point, second of you don't need permission.

<< Comment #39 @ 03:35 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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xfoo - Reply to #38

Why would you not need permission? You are copying someone else's ideas and work for your own personal gain. I don't see a difference between copying someone's artwork and someone's level.

You seem to be suggesting that I could go and take all of iD's work from q3, and then re-release it all as my own without any legal troubles at all.

On a side note, I find you to be a very annoying poster.

<< Comment #40 @ 03:38 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #39

There's an ignore feature for a reason, if you find me very annoying use it. Lots of others do.

<< Comment #50 @ 09:50 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #39

There is no personal gain,,,

<< Comment #92 @ 21:17 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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virax - Reply to #50

"I just want the map so I can play it."

I'm trying to figure out if you're a hypocrite, or if you're just that dumb.

Edited by virax at 21:23 GMT, 9th Nov 2005

<< Comment #167 @ 15:40 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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baron Railgun - Reply to #92

considering yourself a smart person is another form of hypocrizy if you believe what Camus said.
It's about the Einstein's theory about relativity too, Einstein!
You may be smart compared to him and an idiot compared to me ! :)))

<< Comment #52 @ 10:23 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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luKrek - Reply to #39

You can paint your own version of mona lisa and give it to your friends and no body would give a rats as about it.

<< Comment #55 @ 15:14 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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rdmz - Reply to #39

What personal gain are you talking about? If ztn doesn't want to remake the map well let someone else do it then imo. it's just a good map and alot of people want to play it in q4. you are making it sound like he wants to release the map and fool all the people into thinking that he made the map and gets credit that is just simple minded if you ask me ;)

<< Comment #61 @ 20:43 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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seraze - Reply to #55

Edited by seraze at 11:48 UTC, 21 August 2009

<< Comment #63 @ 20:52 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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rdmz - Reply to #61

he better

<< Comment #41 @ 04:54 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (210.11.170.109)

LOL at the textures. Gelato Run.

<< Comment #56 @ 16:37 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #41

I like that name... I will consider using it.

<< Comment #45 @ 06:04 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Ph4ntom

I must say it would be nice to see some new maps. but who knows? maybe a ZTN in q4 will work well with the weapons? but i also suggest to get permission first, afterall it's his hard work and he won't think too highly of you doing this imo :P

<< Comment #51 @ 09:50 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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snejoq

ask HIM, ask HIM...
Excuse me, it's not about money or something else serious.
Do what you want! Make it!
I will play your ztn!
I always play ztn!
Dont stop me playing at ztn!
Make it if ztn wont or before ztn will.

<< Comment #66 @ 21:34 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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8bitlobster - Reply to #51

calm down!

<< Comment #85 @ 12:36 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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ashr - Reply to #51

this isn't quite the right website for poetry.

<< Comment #86 @ 13:06 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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snejoq - Reply to #85

You are right, this angry poetry is bad. (ztn-ztn rhyme %))
But this is what I think. (about ztn map remake)
I can say it in other way or edit my message.
But I'm not the stupidest guy here. So, stfu and look for someone else to joke on for getting a plus.

Edited by snejoq at 13:08 GMT, 9th Nov 2005

<< Comment #87 @ 16:37 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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ashr - Reply to #86

if you dont stfu
then why should i stfu?
ok now i'll stfu
so you also stfu ok?

sorry, i'm just bored :)

<< Comment #96 @ 06:44 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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snejoq - Reply to #87

ok, man. I love indians, you do great elephants! :))

<< Comment #103 @ 08:42 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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ashr - Reply to #96

we do even better cows dude.

<< Comment #104 @ 09:08 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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snejoq - Reply to #103

You are living in good countriy. Americans can do only ztn remakes.

<< Comment #105 @ 09:11 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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ashr - Reply to #104

<< Comment #58 @ 17:28 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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TAFKAagardenchair

There is no copyright on map designs but on names. So change the name from ztn to z7n or something. Problem solved.

<< Comment #62 @ 20:46 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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seraze - Reply to #58

Edited by seraze at 11:48 UTC, 21 August 2009

<< Comment #64 @ 20:54 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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TAFKAagardenchair - Reply to #62

Also, if ztn at some point decides to act like a big-headed child, you shoudl let him do it himself. You are infringing his rights at this very moment.

<< Comment #65 @ 21:01 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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seraze - Reply to #64

Edited by seraze at 11:48 UTC, 21 August 2009

<< Comment #68 @ 22:29 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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TAFKAagardenchair - Reply to #65

Yes, and I think you can guess my opinion on this kind of practice from my previous post.

<< Comment #102 @ 08:40 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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_ztn_ - Reply to #65

Who was that guy? And when did it happen? I have no recollection of this...

<< Comment #137 @ 19:31 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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seraze - Reply to #102

Edited by seraze at 11:48 UTC, 21 August 2009

<< Comment #150 @ 01:12 UTC, 15 November 2005 >>

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_ztn_ - Reply to #137

That must have been some overzealous fan playing the police. I don't mind people making their own versions of my maps as long as they are releasing them under their own name. I appreciate if they ask first, but that really doesn't change anything, does it? If the map turns out to be bad, it'll be forgotten in 2 seconds... if the map's good, then *I* can use the new ideas and make my own version.

<< Comment #152 @ 02:57 UTC, 15 November 2005 >>

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Shaddap - Reply to #150

im positively surprised about your attitude towards this, so kudos there. I can defend zeicon though, im positive that he doesnt give a shit about fame and such and just wants to play on ztn, as he used to be a moneywhore (still is?) that only carred about quake if there was a cash prize involved, though if there was, he would for sure be a top candidate to grab the them, like that swedish tournament where he was the only foreigner, got to the finals and met a fazz in his prime then lost and came in second. just to defend the powerrider :D

<< Comment #78 @ 03:09 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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Ph4ntom - Reply to #64

Maybe he would do it himself if he actually knew about this situation. Why don't you be a good person and make him aware of this? Seeing as you're so quick to come up with solutions... :)

And please tell me how seraze is infringing ZTN's rights? He's clearly pointing out the obvious which is in actual fact just a possibility, not a definite.

<< Comment #80 @ 11:14 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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TAFKAagardenchair - Reply to #78

That was meant as a joke. And, again, I cannot bring myself to see a problem.

<< Comment #59 @ 17:49 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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mic

sucks

<< Comment #60 @ 20:19 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (0x535b79ba.hgnxx4.adsl.tele.dk)

nice

<< Comment #67 @ 21:38 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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von

ESReality.com - Where Hating Meets Reality

11%

<< Comment #69 @ 22:53 UTC, 7 November 2005 >>

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kmt - Reply to #67

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7584/shot000298gi.jpg

stolen from nexx http://www.esreality.com/?a=users&user_id=6169 :)

<< Comment #142 @ 12:19 UTC, 13 November 2005 >>

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Acer - Reply to #69

Looks like a goldeneye map

<< Comment #79 @ 03:10 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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Ph4ntom - Reply to #67

+
:D

<< Comment #186 @ 00:53 UTC, 5 May 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #67

It would seem that some things never change, eh?

<< Comment #73 @ 16:04 UTC, 8 November 2005 >>

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zeicon

The map is coming along nicely... despite all the haters, I expect to release it next week...

Edited by Zeicon at 16:36 GMT, 8th Nov 2005

<< Comment #97 @ 07:29 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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Hubster - Reply to #73

I received an email from someone the other day was approx 75% of the way through remaking one of my maps without permission, and then he decided to ask me if it was ok.

Let's put my response this way - he's no longer making it.

ANYONE who chooses to remake someone else level should ALWAYS seek permission before even starting the level!!! Where the hell is the honour in the Quake community these days?

Most newbies have NO respect for others and will blatantly rip off other peoples work without blinking twice. This is DIGUSTING.

This map SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED. You are ripping off a very talented mapper who has given the community some amazing work over the years, and this is how you reward him?

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you are a mapper or not, and whether your intentions are good or not. WAIT FOR THE MAPPER TO AUTHORISE YOUR WORK OR DONT RELEASE IT.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

<< Comment #99 @ 08:17 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #97

I do feel ashamed... but I keep whispering to myself that this is merely a tribute to ZTN... and the whispering soothes my soul... and all of a sudden I'm overwhelmed by an urge to finish the map and play ZTN all day. Ah, the bliss!

You probably have a bunch of illegal MP3s on your computer. Where's the honor in that? Okay, I'm guessing, but it doesn't matter really. I'm not breaking the law here. If you (or ZTN) think I am, prove me wrong... sue me...

<< Comment #112 @ 03:23 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (adsl-2-60.swiftdsl.com.au) - Reply to #99

you dont feel guilty.

<< Comment #126 @ 07:23 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (BSN-77-186-154.dsl.siol.net) - Reply to #97

Dude, wtf are you smoking? If it were my map I'd be actually proud of someone ripping me off. Of course, he should rename it and give credit to the original author, but that's about it.

"I received an email from someone the other day was approx 75% of the way through remaking one of my maps without permission, and then he decided to ask me if it was ok."

After that sentence I was this close to converting all your maps to Q4 and posting them here, but then I remembered I don't have the time for this bullshit.

<< Comment #127 @ 09:14 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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Hubster - Reply to #126

- you're not a mapper, so you don't know ANYTHING about what effort it takes to build a level from the ground up, designing the asthetics, playtesting etc

- "After that sentence I was this close to converting all your maps to Q4 and posting them here, but then I remembered I don't have the time for this bullshit." Your comment only continues to portray the simple and obvious truth: you're a simpleton and a cheapskate. Obviously you have little to no intelligence, certainly have no moral fiber to your being and you're a thief.

No doubt your map will be released, but watch it become quickly forgotten and your efforts in vain as soon as an official version becomes available.

I hope every player on every server gangs up on your miserable teenaged puss-ridden a**. LOSER.

<< Comment #130 @ 16:14 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #127

Ignore me if I'm mistaken, but I got the impression that you got the impression that "Anonymous" (#127) is me... it's not.

"No doubt your map will be released, but watch it become quickly forgotten and your efforts in vain as soon as an official version becomes available."

Was that one adressed to me? In case it was... it's about playing ztn3tourney1... if it's my version or an "official" version... doesn't matter.

<< Comment #145 @ 15:13 UTC, 13 November 2005 >>

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saboya - Reply to #97

Remaking the map is one thing. Porting the map is another. If the map design isn't changed at all, I don't see why get all upset about it. Remodelling a map that is known to be good by it's design isn't hard at all.

Did u make aerowalk btw?

Edited by saboya at 15:14 GMT, 13th Nov 2005

<< Comment #146 @ 00:49 UTC, 14 November 2005 >>

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Hubster - Reply to #145

Remaking the map and porting the map are no different in principle within the context of this topic - one is releasing another person's work without seeking permission. It is akin to theft.

What amazes me is that this would never have happened in the old days of QW and Q2. It is the "new" breed of gamers who seem to be doing this. It appears the days of mappers having respect from players for their hard work is coming to an end.

One of the reasons I decided to become a mapper was because of the appreciation that players gave to level makers - I thought that was a really nice and honourable thing, a real community thing and a just reward for a level designer who's worked hard to bring something to players that they can enjoy.

Now look at ZTN and his contribution to the community? Is this how he gets rewarded? It's not very fair.

PS - Yes I made the CPMA version of Aerowalk on behalf of Preacher.

<< Comment #149 @ 03:20 UTC, 14 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #146

more like... akin to Star Wars fans writing fan fiction because they like and appreciate the Star Wars universe... just because I chose to remake a ZTN map, doesn't mean I don't appreciate ZTN's work. If you can't deal with the fact that people can recreate your maps any way they want without being put behind bars, perhaps you should find another "profession". Stop being so fucking possessive. The map was created for the community in the first place so in a sense it belongs to the community... it's freeware and I wasn't making money off of this remake. And I'm not a newcomer... have been playing since QW...

<< Comment #153 @ 03:53 UTC, 15 November 2005 >>

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saboya - Reply to #146

The map being ported to another the game is a reward imo. It has been played since Q1, it's a winner... Honestly, I wouldn't want to ask permission to anyone just to play a make a map in Q4. Everyone knows who's the author behind the design, so what's the point, it's not like he's taking credit for it...

I see no harm there, as credit is being given where it's due, but hey, that's just me...

<< Comment #159 @ 00:48 UTC, 17 November 2005 >>

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ini - Reply to #153

I bet I can find 10 cs players who have no idea who ZTN is or what Blood Run is.

<< Comment #74 @ 17:42 UTC, 8 November 2005 >>

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arachno1d

if you used a tool to convert the map, you are violating the copyright!

if you've done it from scratch .. no problem

<< Comment #75 @ 19:16 UTC, 8 November 2005 >>

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TAFKAagardenchair - Reply to #74

I think the summit of absurdity has been reached.

<< Comment #118 @ 15:27 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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h3i - Reply to #75

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/bush/

Actually the URL in itself sums up my point quite succinctly.

Edited by h3i at 15:28 GMT, 11th Nov 2005

<< Comment #81 @ 11:32 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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technics

therre was another post somehwere (a reply perhaps) showing a diff ztn map which wasnt a carboncopy of the original... that looked alot more exciting!

<< Comment #82 @ 11:34 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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technics - Reply to #81

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7584/shot000298gi.jpg

thats the 1 (atleast some of the architecture seems redone)

<< Comment #83 @ 12:19 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #82

yea, it looks nice... has it been released?

<< Comment #94 @ 03:07 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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nexx - Reply to #83

I did it over the course of a few days just to get familiar with the editor and play some private duels with friends...that room is about all that's completed (the rest is basic geometry). I dont plan on finishing it or releasing it.

I've since started on an entirely new map...so watch this space :)

<< Comment #95 @ 05:18 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (adsl-2-60.swiftdsl.com.au) - Reply to #83

it looks totally out of scale and generally shit

<< Comment #100 @ 08:19 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #95

like u

<< Comment #140 @ 05:26 UTC, 13 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (c211-30-117-19.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) - Reply to #100

whats the point of this story? something that out of scale will play totally differently to ztn in any for so.. you may as well create a new map

<< Comment #89 @ 17:23 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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wocK_

cool.

spam grenades through the teleporter to catch the gl camping shaft whores?!!?!!?

i want q4.

<< Comment #90 @ 19:52 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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HELL

Woohoo Ztn \o/ I love the map, hope It gets used In future CPL/ESWC/Qcon Tournaments, It's what the game needs a nice well known classic fun duel map.

<< Comment #93 @ 22:19 UTC, 9 November 2005 >>

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smol

From that screenshot the map looks too small
I mean the screenshot in the first post,by rail

Edited by smol at 22:21 GMT, 9th Nov 2005

<< Comment #98 @ 07:59 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #93

It does seem a tad smaller in Q4 (only slightly)... and I have made some modifications to some of the hallways so you don't bump your head into the ceiling when you jump around :> Anyway, the main reason it seems small in that picture is that I'm not standing on the floor, but on the ledge by the stairs leading into MH, i guess...

<< Comment #109 @ 00:26 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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blu - Reply to #98

FOV?

<< Comment #114 @ 12:24 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #109

good point... the fov is only 90 so if you're used to 110 or something.. :>

<< Comment #117 @ 15:27 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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blu - Reply to #114

;)

<< Comment #101 @ 08:20 UTC, 10 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (pool-71-110-12-214.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)

ztn here... amazing how this map still draws crowds. It would have been nice if he'd asked, but then again, there's no point of making a fuss about this. I only ask the author to rename the map file name to something else, without the "ztn" prefix, since I might myself release something for Q4 (no, really).

-ztn

33%

<< Comment #116 @ 15:20 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #101

Remake ztn2dm3 - the rage for q4 \o/

<< Comment #139 @ 00:01 UTC, 13 November 2005 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #116

Screw that. ztn2dm2 = perfect layout for q4 map.

<< Comment #161 @ 12:01 UTC, 17 November 2005 >>

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........ - Reply to #139

fuck you, give me painkiller!

<< Comment #164 @ 17:49 UTC, 17 November 2005 >>

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Vo0 - Reply to #139

I agree more with you than with drex, but both maps are damn nice. ztn2dm2 is such a nice tactical map, ztn2dm3 is alot of hitscan whoring, but it's still great to play. :)

<< Comment #108 @ 00:25 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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blu

Man, some of you seriously need to get laid :-)

<< Comment #111 @ 00:56 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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Ph4ntom - Reply to #108

And what about those that do get laid and game simultaneously? We enjoy the best of both worlds?! but there are chicks who just think gaming is an excuse to still be a child. but they can think what they want to think but when you actually get your chick to start playing the game herself, it's a different story :P

<< Comment #120 @ 20:58 UTC, 11 November 2005 >>

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zeicon

I plan on realeasing a beta version of the map on saturday/sunday... and then hopefully, as I said, the final version next week...

Edited by Zeicon at 22:00 GMT, 11th Nov 2005

<< Comment #131 @ 16:36 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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hkrep - Reply to #120

...

<< Comment #132 @ 17:56 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #131

saturday it is then...

<< Comment #133 @ 18:01 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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hkrep - Reply to #132

your right, its saturday today!

<< Comment #134 @ 18:19 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #133

that's what I said

<< Comment #135 @ 18:27 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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hkrep - Reply to #134

and what do you mean by saturday it is then?

<< Comment #136 @ 19:27 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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cx '

there are also many remakes of classics of q1 and q2 for q3 ...
I bet none of the creators asked id software for permission ...
and noone in the community cared ...
so why do you moan about copyright?
why doesn't ztn come up with something new instead of remaking blood run again and again ... ?

<< Comment #138 @ 21:48 UTC, 12 November 2005 >>

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ini - Reply to #136

lol

<< Comment #144 @ 14:19 UTC, 13 November 2005 >>

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Khorney - Reply to #136

Didnt he remake it only once though?

<< Comment #141 @ 07:54 UTC, 13 November 2005 >>

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j4rno

yey!

<< Comment #143 @ 13:34 UTC, 13 November 2005 >>

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sarac

wooohooo this really got people's panties in a knot.

<< Comment #147 @ 01:32 UTC, 14 November 2005 >>

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Shaddap

Sarah er h0t!

<< Comment #148 @ 03:10 UTC, 14 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #147

:> hvem er du?

Edited by Zeicon at 03:22 GMT, 14th Nov 2005

<< Comment #151 @ 02:45 UTC, 15 November 2005 >>

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C@stro

the screen isn't nice, the map is small no ?
:-/
let the true ztn make this map

<< Comment #154 @ 14:25 UTC, 15 November 2005 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #151

ZTN is busy making new maps... thanks god...

<< Comment #166 @ 15:35 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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baron Railgun - Reply to #154

So much for a talk for the copyright! Let them all suit you this is the easiest way to become a star! :)
like anybody asked for Gauss permision to use his formulas in math!
that's what's happening!if you invent something and want nobody to copy this don't give it to anybody!

An artist don't worry about somebody stealing his work as he always have some secretes....
somebody told me this... some real artist I think!

<< Comment #169 @ 15:56 UTC, 18 November 2005 >>

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ini - Reply to #166

But if you simply copy an artists art it is considered forgery.

<< Comment #173 @ 16:36 UTC, 20 November 2005 >>

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baron Railgun - Reply to #169

well if you are a policeman you could say this...
but I was thinking to what artist have to loose not to other ...

<< Comment #174 @ 16:38 UTC, 20 November 2005 >>

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ini - Reply to #173

<< Comment #175 @ 17:35 UTC, 20 November 2005 >>

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baron Railgun - Reply to #174

I said to zeicon that I don't mind if he's recreating/porting howhever you wanna call that map and you came with some obvious attacking afirmation to zeicon's address-maybe I'm wrong ?
I'm not a policeman and I don't mind if zeicon wanna do that map and in case you did not observe that affirmation about artists and not about the other guys (those who copy an artist) so your affirmation was not in place imo
I'd also say that even the artists started copying somebody/something and every artists have at least a couple of not so good creations if I remember well somebody told that if your creation is without errors this means you didn't try enough
let him do the map, wtf?

Edited by za_stalina at 17:36 GMT, 20th Nov 2005

<< Comment #176 @ 17:40 UTC, 20 November 2005 >>

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ini - Reply to #175

I'm not stopping him. Your link between artists is different as Zeicon wasn't inspired by it or reworking it he as copying it. ztn said he could so that makes it ok. (And as he isn't calling it ztn3tourney1 or taking credit)

<< Comment #178 @ 10:51 UTC, 2 February 2006 >>

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Ras1s

so where is map o_O

<< Comment #179 @ 13:06 UTC, 2 February 2006 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #178

I released a beta version. It can be found on this site. Try searching for "gelato" using the search feature. However, due to the negative reactions I decided to abandon the project. As far as I know there is another guy doing a remake also...

<< Comment #180 @ 13:23 UTC, 2 February 2006 >>

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draven-

maybe as a 2v2 map ?

<< Comment #181 @ 18:33 UTC, 28 July 2007 >>

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Anonymous (85-211-130-54.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk)

PROGRESS REPORT PLEASE DUDE!

ZERO PROGRESS!

NEED ZTN!

<< Comment #182 @ 19:06 UTC, 28 July 2007 >>

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Liam

I can't fucking believe this, how could you convert somebody's map without their permission? This is really is a disgrace, can't believe how some people act with no regard for anybody but themselves, do you realise how selfish you are? Think of all the hard work that ZTN put into his map and you're just going to-- oh wait sorry I couldn't give a fuck.

<< Comment #183 @ 19:22 UTC, 28 July 2007 >>

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Lisk - Reply to #182

map sucks(remake or not) - nobody cares
map's great - still, hardly anyone will care

<< Comment #184 @ 19:41 UTC, 28 July 2007 >>

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Ignignokt - Reply to #182

HUBSTER IS FUCKING RAGED!

<< Comment #187 @ 02:05 UTC, 5 May 2009 >>

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rep - Reply to #182

can't believe this didn't get plussed, i guess people didn't know about his overwhelming obesity at this point and pity-plusses had not yet started raining in

<< Comment #185 @ 19:50 UTC, 4 May 2009 >>

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Anonymous (213-106-222.netrunf.cytanet.com.cy)

well, hubster is a moron.

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