Mossad trying so hard to charge the "terrorists" that it's too obvious.

They pretty much hold the title of best "false flag" champions for decades now.

Why would Hamas need to use fake corpses for "propaganda" when they have thousands of dead victims on their side ? Was the bombing of those 4 children running on the beach another fake by the Hamas ?

Roflmao.

calm down my friend, this is just another side of the inside shit. and for sure i believe Hamas do use "schools" and mesquites as bases because they think israel won't bomb that place.

Hamas has the population of Gaza's support. They're fathers and mothers and sons and sisters and brothers and daughters and uncles and aunts of those who got slaughtered by Israël's blind bombing. They're David trying to fight Attila, they're struggling for their survival.

1.350.000 palestinians on 360km²... One of the most dense population/m² on earth, and they're under a heavy blocus from Israel, Egypt, water and sky. They have no place to go, no place to hide.

Let's have a special mention at the few dozens of UN sanctions Israël has been ignoring for the past decades, indicating who truly are the terrorists in this "conflict" ( read: battle for survival vs colonization and genocide)

dem0n, you are the first person in YEARS that do really comprehend about of what is happening in there.

some points that i would add:

the fight is David vs Goiah

yes is one of the most dense place in the world, and you know of what is worse? is that jew act just like of the most logical thing about housing, for example: first i loan a place, i save money to buy that place, then i still save some more money to buy another apartment in the same building, then when i get the full money i buy it, then i rent it, then with the money that i get from the renting i buy another house and this goes so on, so people think: hey _agu isn't it so simple? do you really think that this work? my answer to that: y es this works so well, they do it in argentina. argentine economy is fucked up and they rate the houses in US Dollar..

in israel this is happening too, so you pay your life to stay in a city that the cartels of jews are ruling everywhere.

I'm sorry but i have no opinion about the UN sanctions :( i dropped sociology and anthropology cuz i don't want to be a politician here in brazil, you can die here if you are honest! (i really checked that out!)

Yeah Goliath indeed not Attila :)

I don't know this situation at alI, but come on.. It's called "investing in real estate." It happens everywhere in the world. It's happening bad enough in America that "economists" think the economy is getting better.

Why target the Jews in your statement?

have you known that monopoly is a crime? so they take their family members or closed family friends to take control of their "new property", so this people that "loan their name" on the interest of other people are called here by: Laranjas(oranges). they loan their name and judicial body(if this term exists) to them, simply like that.

You're clueless aren't you

maza thinks he's informed but is actually clueless for 1000, Alex.

how so
share with us some of your infinite knowledge then hm?

Sayanim spotted.

as someone stated in on the site linked this is actually a protest in egypt against bombings which uses people who play dead to show egypt is against those wars

That's more likely indeed. Thanks for the info.

Dave Mathers · Paradigm Shifter at Global Paradigm Shift
.Lights… Camera… Gullible Zionists: This is NOT a funeral. It is a symbolic protest in Egypt, you fucking idiots!

Debate!

HAAHHA when i read your post i thought: WHAT ?! Dave Matthews? hahahaha but hey, not all Israelis are zionists! or are they?

there is a common quote of Catholic people in general, which is:

Portuguese:
"Diga me com quem tu andas, que eu te digo quem tu és."

English:
"Tell me of what people you are hanging with, that i tell you who you are." ( I tried to translate it as better as i could, but if somebody has it more "synthesized" please correct me! )

I don't know shit, ask french anon :D

where is this guy? i hope he shows up with his conspiracy theories here!


btw, have you seen of what happened with Eduardo Campos, here in brazil?

Never heard of him. Link pls :)

http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional...88858.html


half of people from brazil are claiming that this was a sabotage!

Daym. We know something about plane crashes with presidents on board - or I rather say - RUSSIANS know something about it!
:------------------------)

hahahahahah man, honestly… i hope i can graduate and then i can go back to Canada.. i don't like to "share" community with people from here.. in general of course.

Similar case in Portugal in 1980 (except in our case wasn't a presidential candidate, but the Prime-Minister and the Minister of the Defense): http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidente_de_Camarate

thats interesting, i'll take a look!

thats interesting, I've mentioned this link to some of my friends. the funny part is that a guy has mentioned that he put explosives inside of the plane, and nobody gave a shit! it sounds like here too.

more OT threads pls

http://webmup.com/0D2EY/

http://conservativepost.com

nope.avi

Just nuke them all and start fresh, in the long run, you'll save money, time, lives.

Or carry on pissing in the wind and taking flawed solutions because they are morally easier to absorb.

You are a psychopath.

tomsawyer! respect the PACO!

I've been watching and following the middle eastern "scene" lately and I've come to the conclusion that it is really hard to stay rational.

You're calling some chap from UK sitting behind a PC a psychopath, but truth be told the things I'm seeing on the web are just beyond human. This is even beyond animalistic behavior. The actions that these "people" are taking are ruthless and barbaric to say the least. I honestly cannot grasp the concept of torturing and massacring humans in such a fashion.

It's blood-boiling and it's tainting the peaceful religion. Shouting allahu akbar while grabbing a child for his nose and slowly cutting his throat with a pocket knife is so ironic it hurts.

I know we are being fed media and it's hard to imagine what the situation is really like because of some many hoaxes and propaganda, but from what I understand, erasing that hellhole seems to be the only efficient way of solving the problem at hand.

There's just no punishment big enough for all the inhuman atrocities they are committing and they have no place in modern society.

Well, inhumane atrocities aren't exclusive to that region, though. Not at all. The world is a really fucked up and sick place. It just manifests in different forms in different places.

Personally, I do believe in the phrase 'violence begets violence', in the sense that violence doesn't solve anything, it only creates a thirst for revenge, and hatred. Hatred that accumulates over time.
Exactly what's been happening between Palestine and Israel. The longer it goes on, the smaller the chances of a diplomatic solution. Hamas is a result of the ongoing violence. And I'm not 'taking any sides' here, nor do I care about the outcome of the situation, other than feeling sorry for all innocent victims.

Now, what are you going to do... drop some nuclear bombs on that area? Where exactly? How exactly would you go about 'erasing that hellhole'? Where do you draw the borders, and how do you think the neighbours and other population would react? It's quite morbid even talking about this, isn't? But these are the questions you'd need to face, if you were to go through with something like this.
And then what happens afterwards... you think we'll just move on with our lives in good conscience, live happily and peacefully till the end of time, in the aftermath of genocide, and all our problems in the world solved?...

Obviously I don't have the answers and solutions for everything, but more killing certainly is not it.

Oh and ESR is probably not the best place to discuss topics like this. =)

Now, what are you going to do... drop some nuclear bombs on that area? Where exactly? How exactly would you go about 'erasing that hellhole'? Where do you draw the borders, and how do you think the neighbours and other population would react?

I just want to assign civilians and people who don't stab each other to my team, turn team dmg OFF and bomb the thing so only the baddies die.

It depends. If you kill everyone then there's no revenge. No more violence. Peace at last.

You talk about ruthlessness, and barbarism but reserve the right collectively punish -- that is, murder innocent people, with nuclear weaponry. Okay, that's reasonable.

Okay, that's reasonable.

>> I've come to the conclusion that it is really hard to stay rational.

I am by no means supporting the death of any innocent person, but to me someone chopping of someone head is not innocent.

The problem is that they are using civilians as shield and similar fucked up shit.

You've come to a conclusion that discussion and dialogue should to take backseat to a massacre of 1+ million people... But you're whole point is a non-starter, as you've already admitted to omitting reasonable judgement when forming your conclusion. Additionally, you are supporting the death of an innocent people, because such weaponry cannot discriminate between innocent, and guilty parties.

Finally, who is using civilians? Do you have sources? What are they?

For example

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-kha...an-shields

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/07/conclusi...n-shields/

Do you have sources? What are they?

I don't have any relevant source on anything, I explained this in my first post when I said that I'm aware we're being fed false propaganda all the time from both parties.

All I do know is that person X killing person Y is not propaganda but plainly person X being a cunt.

Oh, well, I guess we have no other choice. Fire ze missiles. It's not like you could petition your member of parliament, or get involved in the boycott, and divestment programs against Israeli companies, or attend political activities where these things are discussed. You keep talking about "propaganda" as if all people that have forwarded an opinion on this matter are "biased," as if to say, "there is no way we can know what's happening, so let's just stay ignorant of the situation. Here, why don't you google Normal Finklestein, Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, John Pilger, Ward Churchill, or Richard Goldstone. These are well respected, highly reputable commentators.

Don't be such an imbecile as to promote the use of nuclear warfare, and then later come out and say "I don't have any relevant source on anything, I explained this in my first post when I said that I'm aware we're being fed false propaganda all the time from both parties."

"It's not like you could petition your member of parliament"
Our parliament doesn't know what gaza is, sorry.

"get involved in the boycott"
boycott of what?

"You keep talking about "propaganda" as if all people that have forwarded an opinion on this matter are "biased,""

That's exactly my problem. People who are most vocal about this are hugely biased, that's why I don't trust either.

I'm talking about propaganda by the perpetrators themselves -

Take this recent beheading of James foley for example...
Do you believe that video?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278 (NSFW)

I just don't know who to believe and I've seen both sides act like complete dicks, doing nothing of worthy but killing each other.

I saw this vid and it puts things into perspective a bit




the situation is just too fucky down there

Please, if you have something credible then I'd be happy to read it. My politics isn't informed by 3:33 youtube videos.

Thanks for ignoring everything I said and complaining about the video that happens to be posted on a website.

This is what bothers me most and why I never talk about this Isrealeistine shit - everyone acts so mighty because they have some hidden source of knowledge and everyone turns into a huge know-it-all cunt.

I'm still up for the bombing so fuck them.

When pop-culture informs your politics, and you've admitted that you have no basis to even have this discussion, it's not a surprise that you become irate when the matter arises.

Your links essentially say that both sides have been using citizens as human shields except the only one with some shred of evidence is the one that says Israel used Gazan's as shields. The other could be construed as an opinion piece. Really? Israel "found" the HAMAS BATTLE MANUAL and it laid out tactics on how to use civilians?

lol. There is something to be said about being informed and trying to find facts, but the greater idea is to use your fucking brain.

Its not about supporting the death of innocent people, its about recognising that the place is FUCKED and sometimes you need to do bad today to make sure you can do good things tomorrow before the problem spreads any further, because if there are any kind of regular attacks in the EU, you'll see a full blown civil war.

You can't see logic because you cannot see past the moral dilema.

You can recognize the place is fucked up without promoting nuclear warfare. What makes you think that nuclear warfare is merely something "bad"? It's not just something bad, it iss the pre-meditated murder of innocent civilians, as a retributive act of collective punishment. Both of which are adamantly opposed in the found philosophies of western nations.

You talk about logic, but can't even justify your position other than "it's fucked!" Leave the thinking to the people who have the moral courage to face he problem, and don't think that blowing everything up is a viable solution.

Western nations have never had a problem like this before.
I don't see the logic in applying a rule set designed before someone changed the rules.

New rules are added to life all the time.

You sound like this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

"Muslamic law", on an Iranian news channel.

OMG man, thank you so much. :)

If its to save more people in the future then it is.

You make out people are saying nuke someone for fun, its to stop a problem which is going to drag on for decades and risks spreading to europe, we're already seeing people born in the UK fighting for syria, all across Europe there are muslims who are like Zombies, just waiting to turn on the hand that fed them that have NO ALLIENCE to the country they were born in.

This is a NEW TERRITORY, as most people will die for their country, when you have a demographic who will die for a cause of another person and that person is to oppose the people in their own country, then you have a serious problem that needs to be taken care of because that is where this is going.

Look how quickly things have escalated. Imagine it in another 2-3 decades.

Jam what's your take on this video
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278 (NSFW)

This is a more than obvious British accent.

Not work from me, I already know my country is full of these people.
London is just a model for the rest of Europe if they do not change how they deal with this community and put them in their place instead of allowing them to do waht they want and using claims of racism to get it.

I live less than 30 minutes from this guy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terror...-cell.html

Muslim integration into the western world is one of the biggest fails ever and its only going to get worse, if it takes a war to learn from it, then I would rather it comes sooner or later.

Who are you saving when you bomb Israel, and Palestine?

Really, Hamas is in Europe? The IDF is in Europe? Who are they fighting there? There are caucasian European males that go fight with the Taliban, as well -- what do you plan to do about that?

"all across Europe there are muslims who are like Zombies, just waiting to turn on the hand that fed them" My god, are you trolling, or what? I'm sure there are European born muslims who will go back to whatever country they are from to fight for it, against whoever, but what justification is that to use nuclear warfare?

Quite frankly, I'm tired of you not justifying any of you propositions, and then moving on another issues in your responses.

>and they have no place in modern society.
Hitler thought this way too :-)

Psychopath would be me coming to your front door and killing you.
Like I said.

"Or carry on pissing in the wind and taking flawed solutions because they are morally easier to absorb"

That's a very narrow definition of psychopath, could you link me what medical college, or source, that defines it in the same way?

More so, it's laughable that you've drawn this false dichotomy with what choices are available, and even more laughable is that you've is that you've unilaterally decided the moral high-ground without any basis. This sort of self-serving thinking is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty.

You've not posted any solutions, you've just attacked people for posting a possible solution to an virtually unsolvable problem then judged them on it.

I guess you would rather sit that on the fence than actually commit to something because its more important for you to avoid the big problems in life.

Cool.

What makes you think the validity of my, or ANY, criticism is based on the solutions it provides? What makes you think your can promote nuclear warfare without justification and think that you've exercised a right to not be criticized for it? Again, intellectual dishonesty at its best. I laughed that you think that you have a "solution" as if the Arab world, will quietly sit, and do nothing, after you've released a nuclear bomb.

I guess you would rather do the easy thing, pick a side, and wave your flag, because its more important for you to avoid the big problems in life.

Ouch.

"As if the Arab world, will quietly sit, and do nothing, after you've released a nuclear bomb."

It worked against the Japanese.

The US and its allies has superior weaponry to virtually everyone else.
The Arab world would get turned into a glass bowl if they tried anything which resembled a counter attack.

If they could not dig money out of the ground they would have virtually nothing.

Violence is a pretty effective tool when your only objective is to silence people. When dealing with people who have a comply or die attitude, its the only way.

Diplomacy is no longer possible.

If you had any real knowledge of history, you'd know that the bombs dropped on Japan served no purpose. The Japanese were defeated. They weren't capable of retaliation even if they'd have wanted to. The bomb was dropped for selfish reasons and truthfully, it was just an excuse to test out a nuclear weapon.

So, when you say it "worked against the Japanese", and I know it's the internet and all, and you're pretty much top 10 troll on ESR, you're being ignorant and a fucking heartless dickhead.

Get killed.

1) How long were the US and JAPS fighting for prior to the H bomb being dropped?

2) What date was the bomb dropped?

3) What date did Japan officially surrender to the USA?

Have fun wriggling out of that one :)

Wriggling complete: don't care about you enough to find information.

So you call me me clueless and then some, yet you just admitted to not knowing 3 fairly significant dates in history on a subject a few mins ago you were claiming to be some kind of expert in?

I had a feeling you might :)

Doesn't matter, meaningless dates.
He is right, the bombs were not needed, it was over.
What happened is that Roosevelt died, and Truman took power, who was a complete and utter idiot. He was a freaking hat salesman. The scientists tried convincing him to drop the bombs 30 miles off the coast of Japan, to demonstrate their incredible power and force a surrender without bombing any cities. He told them to fuck off, and authorized the bombing operations.
That's what happens when ignorant, incompetent and incredibly stupid people somehow get elected into positions of such power.
Just like you would drop bombs on the middle east, if you were in such a position, thinking it would actually solve anything, and failing to see the consequences.

Kinda funny how you're all so scared to post 3 simple dates, yet claim to have such more in-depth knowledge on the subject.

I can't think why this is the case....

1) How long were the US and JAPS fighting for prior to the H bomb being dropped?

2) What date was the bomb dropped?

3) What date did Japan officially surrender to the USA?

H bomb. lol

Just about sums up your knowledge.

It was a reference to Hiroshima, not whether it was hydrogen or atomic bomb. Though I admit my logic could have been more universal.

Yea, and your prose was too prolix.

The terms of surrender offered before the bomb was dropped (yes, before) were no different than the terms accepted after. It was purely a political show of power. They already knew they worked, this was to send a message.

There was no moral reason to do this. Japan was royally fucked. On every level possible. The firebombings and other air raids had literally decimated them. This narrative that they would never have surrendered is ridiculous and untrue.

No lives saved, many lives lost.

Yeah, still waiting for the following dates.

1) How long were the US and JAPS fighting for prior to the H bomb being dropped?

2) What date was the bomb dropped?

3) What date did Japan officially surrender to the USA?

I utterly disagree with the decision to nuke Japan twice, and I completely condemn it as a despicable war crime of the highest order, but saying that Truman was an idiot is ridiculous.

So you condemn the act but somehow go on to defend him, how's that add up for you? What in your eyes makes it ridiculous to call him an idiot?

ps: lol after taking a brief look at your posts, seems you're the kind of person who thinks 'rebels' are somehow causing havoc in E. Ukr. while ignoring reality of Kiev shelling the region for months, killing its own ppl by the hundreds, and making the area a ghosttown and ruins. Completely brainwashed.

Defend what? I explicitly condemned the decision, but making a despicable decision does not make someone stupid. I've worked on Truman's two mandates as president of the U.S., in particular on his foreign policy, and while a good number of his policies and decisions can and should be criticized, I don't see how he can possibly be called "a complete and utter idiot".

Who's ignoring Kiev's military actions? If you're denying the existence of the rebels, the unlawfulness of their taking power (+ the violence they've used themselves) and of Russia's annexation of Crimea (which is what my posts in the other thread were about), however, you're the one with little grasp on reality.

It isn't correct that they served no purpose. At all.

First, Japan culture couldn't let them simply surrender. Kamikaze, Bushido, there was no such thing as peaceful surrending. It was unconceivable for them, and unexplainable to population.
So they had to fight to the end, and they would have.
Taking Japan via land would have been an extremely bloody war, it would have killed tens and thousands the number of peoples the two nukes killed.

But for media brainwashed peoples (i'm not referring to you, just in general) it's better to have a million of peoples dead in conventional ways than 10.000 with a nuclear attack.

and this wasn't even the atomic's main positive result (to save the life of thousands while giving Japan's emperor a way out from the conflict).

No, the main positive aspect of the two nukes has been to show the world what level of destruction have been reached. All the nations of the worl, ALL of them, no matter from what side, knew that the old way of making war was not possible anymore.

That a new serious conflict could have meant the total annihilation.

Hence the two nukes gifted the entire earth of dozen years of peace.

; _ ;7 GOD BLESS

First, Japan culture couldn't let them simply surrender. Kamikaze, Bushido, there was no such thing as peaceful surrending.

nice fairy-tale argument

Hence the two nukes gifted the entire earth of dozen years of peace.

yes, they really taught 'em with the nukes huh. solved all the problems and made for a peaceful 2nd half of the century. not to mention the peaceful radiation.
right?...

It'll be more productive to bomb any 1st world country if you care about planet.

A planet loses much of its worth if the life on it is miserable.

I'm pretty sure living among people who openly fuck kids, marrying my cousin, having my vagina butchered, having someone forcing me to marry my cousin, being draped in a creepy outfit and having vitamin d deficany, being beaten by my spouse for having an opinion, and sniffing the ass crack of someone as I pray 5 times a day whose farts reeks of brutally killed animal is enough to make me wish I was not alive on this planet.

Not even the curry is enough to make up for it.

I would need to be brainwashed to ever follow that ideal. Oh wait....

Wrong. Actually, the most pollutants countries of the world are the rising economies third world ones.

Particularly China. China have surpassed the usa in pollutants production and is steadily improving while have no intention of reducing at all.

But, to say something bad about China is not politically correct or fashionable, and is even more useless since China gives not a single fuck about Kyoto conventions or similars.

It's way easier to whine about first world countries. Their reproduction rate, for example, wich is 5-6-7 times slower than the thirld world ones, but hey, who cares about statistics, who cares about facts, thirld world countries are good, the others are bad.

Desmond Tutu's take (and plea) on the Israelo-Palestinian issue:
http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.610687?v=6669...A198582751

Anders Brievik must be proud of you.

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