You wanted it posted, so here you go pal. Enjoy the bot action everybody. He has a bot that fires for him, he just moves the crosshair over.

Don't you have punkbuster in the U.S.?

heh pb doesnt stop shit ;)

Haha, it stops me from moving properly and it stops me from aiming. The pb is good at one thing though: lagging. :(

And your big clue is simple, the rail slug will hit the same part of the hit box practically everytime. No variations in the part of the box that is hit.

this proves nothing... lol, I gotta see this

lol, maka, you're fucking dumb.. I'm sure I know which demo this is... lol, it proves nothing, let's hear what other people think..I expected this, btw, everyone I expected people to come in here and claim that I bot... go ahead everyone, lemee hear what you have to say.. to me, this is hillarious.

I'm dumb? I've been playing FPS games from 8 years and have lots of experience on the subject.

Hitting the EXACT spot of the hitbox everytime does prove a lot. Also, you never shoot early, every miss is always late. Some of the shots you make are "timing shots" in which case some of your shots would shoot early because you're predicting.

Sorry man, argue all you want but it's obvious as hell.

i think he shoots early in my demo vs imm (when i'm at high center door near RL bounce) :)

alright maka, you think you're right, we'll see what other people have to say, and btw.. I've been playing fps since doom, so don't use that exp on me.

I know I'm right...... there is a difference.

and what a coincidence that EVERYBODY in K9 agrees that you're a cheater.

These kind of things don't happen buddy......

you mean people in k9 agreeing on something? :p

smartass.... !!

everybody in k9 agreeing on somethin is such an earth shatterin coincidence? ahahah

give me a goddamn break

yeah... you know alright O_o, I'm done arguing, let's be mature about this, and hear what other people have to say.

just wanted to say that you guys can use the reply button to reply each other....

:)

And we all know you're never showing up to any competition that's lan. That is for sure....

hi maka, salutes and all that shit that i tend to do to pros ;)

anywayz, the only way would be an avi or summat like they did with clock (i haven seen the demo yet, busy downloading b100.deaths 2v2 demos with my burnt out modem)

ya, we'll see maka

YAY! HERE WE GO! TIME TO SEE!

Using the keel model, all rail hits are located just south of the ecuator (right below the waist) - now, this may just be because imm loves the cock... however, that also happens to be the exact center of the hit box. I re-watched the demo after seeing mak's account of there never being any early misses, and he's right. All the misses were late, even with all of the prediction shots made. If there was an autofire used, his 30ms ping would definately generate the occasional late miss, and explain the lack of early misses.

- d|RakE

why the hell would anybody want to dl this? dumb ass bots!


dl'n right now :DDDDD

Makaveli hits the same part of the chair every tournament. Awfully fishy if you ask me--Punkbuster should catch that by now.

im positive immy isnt a bot. If you look at his demos in timescale 0.6 it looks pretty legit. (albeit i havent seen this one--downloading now). I have a demo of him hitting 53% with 100 ping no timenudge :/

His LG is nowhere near 35% maka, unless you move like a complete newbie. His mg is around the 20's (normal) and his RL is around the 30's (although he hit 50 on zero4 ;))

-JUDE

*p.s* http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=179486
Storm vs. death. I guess history repeats itself :P

Well he hit 35% against me Jude, while being in midair after getting bounced with rockets.

I understand you're his fanboy or something, but the guy is a cheater man. Sorry. =(

lol yep. just noticed this was recorded by random :P That sort of discredits a lot. Random accuses absolutely everyone of botting, including me (Mr. 30%). So while you K9's are still thinking you're the greatest thing since sliced bread, other people have got some skills :P I was also a "fanboy" of storm and belth when everyone else was accusing them of botting. Funny how PB never catches immortal either, nor how immy's aim has never changed from PR to PR. Maybe hes the programmer of OGC and works for punkbuster, so he can simultaneously upgrade his hax while PB upgrades its software. sigh.

-JUDE, the fanboy.

edit'd

Autofire.

First off, lemee say this, this demo was recorded by K9-Random who accuses everyone of botting.. including Jude... A.K.A:Fezz

I'm telling you all, I don't bot, think what you will, I could care less, it's your opinion people, think what you will

maybe he only acusees people of botting if he has proof that they bot. i'm sure he has recorded milions of games and then deleted many of them after re-wathicng em

fairly obvious autofire, and besides, if he really was this good, we wouldn't be talking about him cheating, we'd be talking about how he just won wcg

i dont accuse 'everyone' of cheating, i accuse cheaters of cheating...fezz is (was) my friend and he understands that when i call him a cheater that im kidding

you cheat, everyone thinks you cheat, and the fact that you post demos of you cheating trying to brag about how good you are is such a joke

K9-random

you made me record a demo on t4 with me typing "ocg_aim 1" because you were so sure i was botting. maybe you were joking, but it sure doesnt seem that way when you persist so much.

oh yeah, oh well, you had played pretty crazy that game, but since then i havent bugged you about cheating(even tho you 'missunderstood' me and typed ogc_aim 1 before starting the demo heh)

you and litz are in the same boat, you have both gotten a LOT better in the last few months and great, im proud for you, but immy is so fucking obvious

:/ I'm totally convinced that immy isnt a bot. I've watched about 30 (literally) ceal.Storm demos WITH slowmotion and they aim the exact same. On the other hand, there was c58-Satan who had aim like belth and storm, but HE was an obvious bot, no question. Immortal seems to aim not unlike most pros, just faster and more efficiently ;) Anyways, im giving him the full benefit of the doubt, and until some LAN or punkbuster proves me wrong--hes legit.

-JUDE(fezz)

dude, he hits 73% rail vs you and you aren't totally convinced? Haha. I've never seen zero4 hit 73% rail, and zero4 is the best t4 dueller on the west coast (and in the world pretty much)

you mean was.

he is
t2 != pt4
ztn != pt4

And one more thing.. I might like to add... I bet, these so called "anonymous" posters here... are all K9, lol

K9 all have accounts, and dont live in norway or on the east coast. Nice try though.

That doesn't mean you can't post anonymously

n1 imm :)

but you see the hostmask of any anonymous poster

owned

ever heard of anonymous proxys? The geo location of the ip means nothing.

When someone cheats, a good idea is to denied his cd key...

you're wrong, those who bought the game might have bought it to cheat and there are absolutely no legal issues on cheating : it is not forbidden by laws kid :). banning a cd key without refund would actually be illegal.
besides its part of all fps games. those are ideal to cheat in.

Actually, I thought ogc, for example, violated the EULA? Which is why sourceforge no longer host it. So cheating (in that way) isn't legal.

for what i know about it, it didn't actually. it doesn't modify quake as a program and its source code is provided by the maker. it was removed from source forge for a controversy motive.

now, at runtime, it modifies some parts of your computer memory which to my humble knowledge is legal and left to the discretion of the user to do at will...
unless, microsoft corp (or id software) someday force governments (well this could happen in america haha) to make laws to prevent us from doing that.

last but not least : it is free. and i'd incline to say that free software can and will never be subject to legal restrictions.

About modifying memory values, look into TCPA/Palladium specifications :o

You are right but it should be like bubble says.

For example you are in a spors-club. (soccer or something).
If you don´t care about the rules you have to leave.
Games can only be played if everyone cares of the rules of the game.

I just watched the demo after reading this forum. Maka claims this guy is using an autofire so that when his mouse crosses any point of the hitbox it fires (at least thats what I gathered, I may be wrong?). I watched the demo in timescale .5 with cg_fov 30. The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that, if he's hitting the same spot of the hitbox it would have to be an autoaim bot, not an autofire bot. As I understand it the autofire bot would shoot at any point of his enemies hitbox, not the same spot each time... just my $0.02.

Let's look back in time shall we? This is no different: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=179486

It is different, cause that isn't you. Don't draw comparisons to people that HAVE competed in professional events. You aren't a professional and can't even win when you cheat.

GG

Maka, you disappoint me here :), you ought to notice that
this guy is such an obvious cheat that it's actually a HOAX, and as such it shouldn't be argued about :) at all

#14K : Every Cheat You Always Wanted to use without knowing how to Code it.

And you never competed a professional event like a professional player ... my 2 cents :-/

It's really only you and your canine buddies Vic... that think I cheat, and the only others that say I do are all anonymous, hmm.. interesting. And don't bother trying to get other people to vouch for you, seriously, it means nothing... people are gonna think what they want to think anyway... you and I, despite our differences, both know that... just cause alot of people think I cheat, doesn't make it so, and that goes for you as well. I personally take it as a compliment that you think I cheat... that says something to me... it says, "hey, if a pro like maka thinks I cheat, I must have some redeeming quality as a player..." oh, and btw, if I recall correctly, the first time I really played you was on t4, when fezz wanted you to play me on t4 so I could show you my rail... you out railed me, you hit a 48 percent... I only hit 40... that kinda proves a little, but, I'm trying to stop all this fighting bs, you think what you want, as well as everyone else, I don't care. I know my abilities better than you or anyone else... I don't need you or your buddies to convince me otherwise, one last time, you and your buddies think what you want.

I knew you were botting in that game as well.... where is your demos? Thought so.....

I'm no K9 guy, nor am I a K9 fanboy and certainly not a fan of Makaveli. But this is demo is obviously displaying autofire.

-All*Nirvana

The only guy in "All*" clan.
;-)

Except for Aim and Laker... who's regulary idling their fat asses on quakenet. :P

Nirv iz da shitz, i spank him 24/7.. eznp, such a skinny wuss! =)/"#% HAEHA

Again, think what you will

Auto-fire

-God, the supreme being, Allah and Buddah.

There's no way that's clean.
either timescale or botting.
if this was on a LAN, then I could see it... not with 40 ping. no way.
K9 was in official tournaments probably before the rest of you even owned a computer. Makaveli has always been one of the top players for over 5 years... believe me, he knows what he's talking about.
shame the demo was instagib...

such an obvious autofire.

i'm also wondering why this idiot picked the name of an already popular person (well he used to be, dunno where immy's been lately) around the gaming community. seems to me like he's trying too hard to make a name for himself, when the best way to do that is to go to LANs, where no one questions you.

I cant belive youre comparing this to the accused aimbot demo that belth played. If you check belths demo in slow motion you see that he isnt dead on center on the model when he shoots. Get e a clue. Maka ((hugs)) ;]

remember people saying that nobody could hit those kinds of accuracies online? I do. I also remember people commenting on how he (belth) tracked enemies, and also how he only fired when his crosshair was over his opponent. I remember the so-called "bot experts" betting their reputation that belth was a bot.

Then comes storm. His demo vs. death on T4 has one of the highest comment ratings, probably 60% of the comments were debating his 'botness'. I distinctly remember people claiming storm was cheating (i believe there were several accusations of wallhacking). There were only a few who defended him such as Stony and other hungarians, testifying that they witnessed storm's leetness at LANs.

I used to be a heavy DM17'er, and I can tell you that I KNOW when i see a bot. Obviously immortal's aim is *extremely* odd (bordering on botlike) but i'm saying the "bot experts" have been wrong on more than one occasion.

stony is not a hungarian but austrian :)

actually, im hungarian, czech, german AND austrian, if you listen to what people say
and about storm, his aim is 100% real, no discussion about that, he proved it at several LANs

For your information, the belth demo was defended by the top players. Maka for instance

I actually defended Belth.. bad argument. =)

Uhm, last summer I was at the states and I went to Imm's house, we LANed... think that's why I got so depressed on my own gaming... this dude doesn't bot... trust me... :S

if there's one thing ive learned in life, its never trust a mexican

ahahahahahahaha

now plz fuck off and hang urself

With a pathetic comment like that you tend to help discredit anything else you have to say.

its called a joke, relax

wow, the demo makes it very hard to judge. It's weird that he hits the exact same spot everytime but I don't see how that explains it's an autofire. It's definately not an autoaim which would explain hitting the exact same spot, but autofires don't hit the exact spot, they hit anywhere it's targetted in the box when the crosshair passes it. So basiclly my bet would be to go with it's not a bot because I have not seen anything like this yet.

It might be the new kind but that's very unlikely. If he isn't a bot, for god's sakes teach me to aim like u.

Oh btw, u retards just because someone is really good doesn't mean he has to spend his life around that game and going to tournaments and winning money. Bunch of people commented that they have lanned with him anyways.

"Oh btw, u retards just because someone is really good doesn't mean he has to spend his life around that game and going to tournaments and winning money."

Umm, yeah it would, 'cause if he really did have a rail like that - it would be easy money.

"Bunch of people commented that they have lanned with him anyways."

What's to stop him from making a whole lot of accounts?

He may have a good rail, but hes quite an invalid with the other weapons ;) He lost to zero4 34-17 or something :/ (im not bragging for imm, im just saying rail's not everything :P Although z4 has a nice rail too)

Zero4 also says he cheats......... =(

i know ;)

ZeRo4 cheats? what.. i think i misunderstood that.. :/

zero4 says immortal cheats

omg u r a moron. first of all it takes at least 1 day for the accounts to get approved and the comments are all from today. secondly, no one says he doesn't have a life. People work for money, no one has to go to make "Easy money" as you put it on tournaments and stuff. Just because someone is good doesn't mean he has to do certain things. Some people still play a game for fun even if they are really good. God i hate morons. Don't you all hate morons?

No! I like You!

this imm guy is a HOAX, can't you ppl see that???

To get such a rail accuracy like 60+, you would have to spend insane amounts of time dedicated to q3. Just playing for fun? Newbie, please...

Someone with that much dedication to q3, ought to be playing at large tourny's.

ZeRo4 cheats? what.. i think i misunderstood that.. :/

What a fucking 'tard.

"Newbie, please..." - ahah liked that one :)

ok then u admit that if you spend "insane" amounts of time playing then you can get this good. ok then, so he is prolly legit.. ok, ty for agreeing w/ me.

as "weird" as this demo might look, it doesnt prove wack. The only way ill think hes a bot if there would be a clear "follow with cross" demo or hell be caught by PB with outright logs. And btw, maka, have you played =RC=The1 or AIT-Mindwave in their top form? Im sure there would be more bots on your list... despite them being legit.

I've played AIT guys, they are nothing special. This guy hits over 60% on maps other than dm17 though.

uh, it would be clear he's botting to a fucking blind person. what are you newbies smoking? check it out in a low timescale. news flash: NO ONE HITS THE SAME EXACT SPOT EVERY SINGLE TIME. anyone who has played q3 for any decent amount of time would tell you he is botting.

Im sorry but this demo doesnt prove a thing, other than he knows dm17 pretty well and can play instagib. The other guys has 80+ ping and isnt really what you would call a fair opponent. Usually botrails are weird, but on dm17 you cant really tell. Give me something more real, like the demos between imm and z4 or maka.

Meanwhile, Ill give him the benefit of the doubt.

don't know y i am bothering to post in this rather ridiculous thread...

Bot - yes...

for may reasons...
1. Maka says so... Maka is a known player who has played thru out the world against many players who have awesome skills... Zero4 apparently agrees that he is a bot...
2. Belth is completely different i never suspected Belth pls never compare urself to another gamer who is well known as a top player.. until u urself prove it to others, which u seem to be failing miserably at...
3. Only a botter would choice to play instagib 1v1 on dm17... :D No doubt imm has played it lots it's not just bot auto-aim...

the reason i did reply i was hoping this was a cool immortal Q2 ownage demo... but it was a bot demo... makes me mad... :D

only a botter would choose instagib 1v1 on dm17? I didn't choose it, the other guy did: cC.say_....

stx-kash was called a botter by a hell of a lot of euros. I defended him too :p Is this a good comparison?

And, I'll have you know.. I never once compaired myself to belth... belth is a excellent player very very well rounded, his lg, pg, rail, pretty much flawless.

definitely cheating.

The thing that gives him away the most is not that the hits are always in the same part of the hitbox (although that is pretty telling). The big deal is this:

With legit players, watching them aim in slow motion, you see three stages:

1. A large correction where they swiftly bring the crosshair from far away to approximately near the enemy hitbox.
2. A small correction where they nudge it in, but are careful not to over shoot.
3. The attack.

Here, this guy just sweeps his crosshair across the enemy hitbox, rails him half way through, but stops too far over. Definite autofire cheating.

ill give this a close look when i get home :P

though hitting the exact same place on the hitbox doesnt sound like autofire.

Fox is teh sexeh

This guy is botting and there's no question about it. He knows it and that is why he won't ever show up at a lan despite the act he puts up here.

As for all the guys in his defense comparing him to belth and storm, shut up. You are either trying to help a botter you know achieve status or you are too dumb to realize he's botting. Besides, those are only 2 good players who were suspected and they proved themselves on lan. Think of the number of players who claimed to be legit and not even once showed up to back their "skill" up.

This guy makes no prediction shots whatsoever. He flicks a lot and hits his rails in the same spot every damn time. As Makaveli had pointed out, he always has late missed rails and never early ones because he is not predicting and because of the lag which affects the his autofire bot.

No matter how he or his boyfriend JUDE argue, that's not going to change the fact that HE IS BOTTING.

Shame on you, cheater.


xil-chiMera

You cheat, I am not anonymous. Both you and 'vic' are retards, though. But you cannot help urself.

vic is makaveli btw, might wanna edit that.

Think he got it right.

why would i want to edit out my opinion? Because he's "Makaveli"? lol, go give him a blowjob or something.

I Like Cheese...

only part that really suggested a bot is i think around 12 min or so when he was below and say was up top and his xhair shook and didnt fire...other then that i dont think it was cheating. dm17 is the mother of all gay maps in spawn rape sense...

im not too sure about this.. ive seen crazier things being legit. also, this is the way dm17 instagib is played.. you flick a quick rail at where ever your opponent spawns.

i can only speak for myself, and i wouldnt be comfortable calling this man a cheater.

i would call him a cheater without any hesitation.

but still : this is a HOAX, it's just funny to see how much is said about it (isn't that the purpose of a hoax...)

hmm imortal was one of the top players in the world.. dont think he would cheat , when i watched the demo i did just see a great player in action , i dont like paranoid ppl like you who whine about cheating, some people are skilled.. and those who arent says that people cheat when they get owned =/

imm is not immortal

yeah those guys not only don't see the hoax but yet confuse the real Immortal q2 guy with the hoax =). we're floating in dumbness spaces here :D

well i dont know nor care if this is a bot, but to me it looks 110 % not a bot. this is exactly how many people play on DM17 instagib (and with rail in general)... obviously he just knows the spawnpoints very well, shots were normal flickshots, and sometimes it looked like he had difficulties setting up the flick which often happens with flickshots and then the flick wont feel natural, which is why it took a little longer to make the flick (which i highly doubt would happen with a bot).. i dont get how anyone would from this judge its any kind of a bot

hard to say, he just pwnz rail.
the frag at 13:40 is either luck or a bot! he hit him even before the dudes spawnz :>
hmm i'm not really sure maybe because a lot of ppl say he use a bot, u automaticly think when ur watching the demo he uses a bot. if u know wot i mean :>

I'm just happy there are at least SOME intelligent people here... never expected this to linger on for this long.. geez.

Got to understand this is the only demo, I have played with him in games and all his shots are, suspect. Not to mention when he sees anybody spec'ing him from K9 he completed avoids all weapons but RL while warming up.

In DM in order to hit a high percentage rail, your strategy and overall weapons need to be good. He never plays with any strat, his other weapons are complete garbage, and he pulls rails out of his ass that not even pros hit.

I've seen players who are good railers, extremely good railers, because its the only weapon they like. Their strat and other weapons are shit because of that. Maybe he's a talented railer who hasn't given much time to strat or other weapons.

You don't go from instagib to play Top Ranked players in the US and getting a scores like 20-8 on dm6 against me with a 52% rail and 35% lg (even tho the only time he was using it he was getting tossed all over a small room in close quarters) and another game he plays zero4 (also says he's a cheater) on pro-t4 and loses only like 34-18?

Sorry but you don't gain that kind of ability through instagib. Yes insta is all rail, but in DM there are TONS of factors involved with hitting a high rail percentage. It is not as simple as point and clicking. You need to set things up properly and be able to play the map well.

Overall weapon use and strategy is what makes rail percentages high..... he has neither.

Yeah. maka.. I didn't play z4 on p-t4.. shows how much you know about the argument(s)

Also please refer to the Jude vs imm demo on pro-t4 if you're not convinced. He hits a 74% rail and its a close game... lol.

That is the point. He hits a 71 and still it's a close game which is the reason why he doesn't attend lans obviously. He owns the rail but his tactics and skills with the rest of the weapons obviously aren't up to par to compare to the great one like yourself.. lol. So, anyways go drink some warm tea and relax.

this is definitly some kinda bot. i agree with #77
if you watch this demo with pov 40 and timescale 0.2 you'll not only see, that he hits the same spot everytime (groin) but he also only sweeps over the enemy instead of aiming (eg. getting closer to the hitbox). it looks more like painting than like aiming. compare this to some other dm17 demos and you'll see the difference.

It looks like autofire to me but i cant say for sure.

* goes to watch demo in timescale 0.4...

For what it's worth (i.e. nothing) I don't think he's botting but, as anyone in the high street will tell you for a nickle, I'm dumb.

[Nov11-18:30:56] (D|S-ioneye): ninja - what a morons

Now I come to think about it, that'd mean 'it' was worth a nickle. Awesome.

Nothing, and i mean nothing, is sadder than talking to yourself on an internet forum =).

I'm no great expert on bots, i only have one mate (who depressingly is a member of the OGC forums) who i know has occasionally used them but i would definitely hesitate to say categorically that this is botting. I watched it with fov 30 and timescale 0.4 and there are numerous occasions where he has his crosshair over the target and no rail slug is fired. Yes, most shots hit around the groin area (ow) but that's the case in all demos and there are several shots that don't. On the claim that there are no early misses, i saw one or two of those as well. Maka stated that Imm hit 74 percent in a game vs JUDE on p-t4 yet it was still close - well perhaps that explains why he doesn't attend big LAN events, as despite having excellent aim he is weak tactically. Even with outstanding rail aim on p-t4 you can be bested by a rl wielding opponent who spawn-rapes effectively.

Certainly it is a slightly freakish sort of aim, but the world has plenty of freaks. If human memory was computerised, we would probably refer to those bizarre individuals that can memorise exactly a 10,000 digit number comprised solely of 0s and 1s as 'botters' but as it is, it stands as a strange anomaly in human mental ability. Maybe Imm is just an equivalent 'rail freak', with an unusually refined reaction time. Anyway, i have a demo of fatal1ty on dm17 where he gets 70 percent so nyah.......

Yes, I watched in ts 0.4/fov 50 and I noticed the same things: He passes over the hitbox without firing, he doesn't hit the same area of the hitbox everytime, he shoots early rails, and he outright misses (not just lag/prediction). That's why I don't think the dm17 demo is conclusive botting evidence.

The ctf demo, otoh, looks like a bot.

This is _obviously_ an aimbot\autofire of some kind.. Stop making a fool of yourself imm.

another demo of immortal obviously cheating!

the funny part is he spent an hour bitching me out on irc when i banned him for this. the entire time he was saying makaveli was a friend of his and would tell me he was honest.

either way, he was making shots on a 80-100 ping most people would find difficult on a lan ping.

demo i banned him for is available here:

http://www.thunderdome.ws/misc/jed-CTF-q3ctf1...9.53.dm_68

jed specs immortal the whole time.

yeah that was a good one! only 53% or something if i remember correctly :(

JUDE, I would like to point out that in the first half of the game, his rail was at about 70 % acc. When he stopped going toward the midfield of q3ctf1, his rail acc. dropped when he was camping inside the base.

JUDE,

please leave this thread. you dont know what you are talking about. so stop talking.

a quote i know fits well here:

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Mark Twain


illusion
#=rc= etg

a) thats a terrible quote
b) you replied to the wrong person ;)
c) im free to voice my own opinion, just as you do so skillfully by posting your pathetic quotes.

p.s. :)

well i guess i dont post here often enough to know how to work this system. shucks. but with ignoramuses like you here, maybe its for the best.

" skillfully posting your pathetic quotes"

cmon now guy. surely you can be wittier than that. at least make it worth my while to continue posting here.

illusion
#=rc=

p.s. R O F L

yumm, chicken soup for the "ignoramuses" soul. I guess the gloves are off now, attacking my sense of humor? I must've struck some sort of inferiority complex nerve, because all of a sudden your words have become more lengthy (though certainly not smarter).

Feel free to prove me wrong though, by not replying to this comment. Toodles!

-Love, JUDE

Uh, okay, that looks a lot more suspicious to me than this dm17 demo.

it is more suspicious =p

you can tell he's cheating about 3 mins into the bloody thing.

watch it in very slow motion and you'll notice he's responding to stuff on the corners faster than should be possible on 80 ping/0 nudge without an autofire or a wallhack..

I'll watch it in slo-mo after work :)

?? wtf are you talking about? lol, I never said I knew maka... I said I could get someone like maka to do it.. meaning, of the same status

It's so obvious why JUDE is protecting imm like that. JUDE is Canadian, therefore having the mental capacity of a retarded fetus.

yeah, its a proven fact that the average IQ drops 100 points when you convert to the metric system. Maybe we should convert to imperial and bomb every middle-eastern country that has oil :/

ahh Junior Americans are so cute when they are indignant!

a failed attempt to start a flame war. lol

flame war? this isn't USA vs Canada. i was merely stating a fact.

alright listen up.
your man immortal is cheating. plain and simple. this demo is in instagib on dm17. dm17 is tough to catch bots to the untrained eye. and yes, whoever stood up for immortal has an untrained eye.

ive been playing isntagib since i started q3. at first it was merely to improve rail aim.. but then it somehow stuck. being on the east coast, my clan has gotten to play some top q3ers in its time. this will probably come off as arrogant (not intended), but my clan and i have played some of the top tdm, ra3, and ctf railers in the east and the only loss i remember was vs some ck including czm by 1 frag (we were nervous heh).

anyway, i am the last person to call someone a bot because i have seen so many different types of players. yes i have played immortal before. he has raided east servers with 150 ping and railed 60%+ in the past. seems though he never stays around for long. plays q3 for a few weeks, then dissappears for a few months. i wonder why. recently he was on an east server playing instagib ctf. someone took a demo and the cheating is much more apparent.

good day.

illusion
#=rc= etg

that demo is the one i linked to a few posts up =p

actually ill.. I don't disappear.. I stop playing insta for a few months (I go play other mods instead).. then I get back into it from time to time.. and, I have never played you.. you always back down. And actually Ill, that demo proves nothing, yet again, no solid proof... I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong

I am Lexani=RC=, i heard about this through a friend, and i noticed the1=RC=s name was mentioned above.

Im not very familiar about immortal, I've heard alot of stories about him, but I will not judge untill i have watched the demo, over the past few months I have witnessed many, many many, bots/wall cheats, I will not call them wall "hackers" or "hackers" in general, because the simple fact is, they shouldnt even be categorized, with hackers, because they use some other lame fucks exploit, to see through WALLS/AIM. Punk buster has its pros/cons but, atleast its stopping ALOT of the cheating. From what I have heard, people under linux, can bypass Punk buster, how true this is, I do not know. Can some one clarify this for me?

Now, to yeltsins post about the1=RC=, the1 has always been a great instagiber, in my opinion one of the best. But through all the years ive been his teammate, I have never once witnessed him rail above 51, and might I add that 51% was only one time. On the average he rails 40-48%, see, the thing is, its not always about accuracy, its how you play the game, knowing where to be and when to be there, knowing the hiding spots of the flag carriers, when to advance to mid on other maps than ctf1, to cover flag carrier, and such stuff, all this together, makes the1 a great player.....

Now, if immortal is railing 60+% some times 70+%, that must be crazy, cuz when the1 rails 45 i feel like he dont miss shit, and its abnormal, but 70%, that cant be possible for a human to do even with the best of the best hardware, and such. Atleast not possible with out any "advantages" over the other players.

One good point that was brought, out by who i cant remember was... Immortal quit when a point release came out and killed all the bots, then the first week that NOSKILL prick made OGC, Immortal was back. Like i said previously, i cannot judge him. I did not see the demo yet.

ya i know what you mean, if hes a bot its diffrent. Its just that i can also see a dmer calling a good instagibber a botter... Saw that happen a bunch of times. Now, after the ctf demo, yeah i can see he was botting.

FYI, I stopped playing insta 2 weeks before 1.27g came out... and went on to ra3

gay ass esr wont let me post as anonymous for 3 hours time. LOL.

one thing to keep in mind here is that we are talking about rail accuracy in instagib. this is not duel, this is not tdm, this is not ra3. rail accs in instagib usually drop unless you are playing i-ctf.

immortal, we have played. you just never knew it. quakesport server? clan {c4}? and i do remember beating you too. although you with 150 ping had about 70/30 win advantage vs me iirc. you owned me. go you.

illusion
#=rc= etg

heaven forbid the site should promote membership
this makes it "gay ass"

Also, how convenient that he never started showing up on Jade Garden and other OSP DM server until the integrity of OSP was broken.

hmm when was this? 1.32? I played immortal on Jade Garden way back when my ping was still good to that server :) (i aliased as seraph or something, waay back)

Of course, if 1.31 broke the integrity then this comment is sort of useless.

Of course now you obviously will never be able to compete in any tourneys, join any reputable clans, and will be shunned everywhere you go as a cheater like you should be.

My job is done.... lose the bot, get some skill, and play for real....

i dont understand why he wouldnt be able to join tournies. I'm sure everyone would be glad to recieve him at LANs, if for nothing else than to prove hes a bot :/

He'd never go cause he would get embarassed.......

or you would...

So has this chap, Immortal been botting since infinity?

If he has then he IS LAME!! =p


By the sounds of it, the bot only (if there is one) activates when the pointer is dragged over the target! Hitting the exact same spot on the hit box!

This would be almost undetectable, and very clever =p

If you need to cheat, play something your good at!!! =p

in regards to the ctf demo:

53% at 100 ping? I've been a 75-100 pinger on the west coast for years except for a few local servers and I don't know a single person who can rail that good for 20 straight minutes at that ping. 75 ping maybe, 50-65 sure..but 100, no way in hell will you be that consistent, not to mention after shooting 300-400 rails.

100 ping is equal to this:
35-39% is good/average
40-44% is great
45-49% is exceptional and rare
50%+ is unnatural/bot

Show me a demo where someone has hit 50-55% at 100 ping after a few hundred rails that isn't of this supposed cheater.

ehr, dno bout us but over here in europe there are enough ctf ers who hit 40-50 % rail on 80-100 ping

not every game but well consistent enough

tbh these autofire bots are pretty much impossible to spot, which is sad. I can't tell for sure whether this guy is cheating or not. what makes it super sketchy is that I've played on the west coast for years and ive never seen this guy ever, and i've never seen anyone ever rail those kind of ridiculous percentages not even on lan.

BOT!! nuff said

eh, dunno if I'm replying to the right person, but whatever.

I've played insta for a damn long time, since q2. Immortal, you come up with some weak ass defenses man. "think what u want man !111 LOL" and crap like that. You wanna prove you're not a bot? Go to a lan and rail the way you do with people watching you. Until you do that, you're a bot. Case closed~

I've watched you come on the insta scene outta no where and rail 70+ acc, own people who no one else can with a 150+ ping, and then vanish as soon as a new pr is out. You can say you go play different mods, or wtfever, but that's a lie. Never once have you stuck around and played insta after a new PR is out, never once have you even chilled on IRC or anything after one has come out. If you 'went on to other mods', why did you vanish totally? Those 'other mods' use different IRC networks or something? rofl

Ever since you first showed up on some server and started railing like you did people have known you bot. You being a bot is probably the only thing =RC= and ]RG[ and every other clan in insta will agree on.. I dunno why this is news to makaveli, but I'd guess it's because he doesn't play insta. We've known you botted for what, 3 years now? Sorry to say, but you're the butt of a rather large joke if you didn't know. No one takes you seriously as a player.

I don't think anyone who's actually played insta can deny that The1 is probably the best all around person at insta. He's outrailed people from stx, ck, multiple all weap clans and dominated insta since q3 came out.. And yet you, from out of no where, can shoot 70%+ acc constantly with a 150 ping? The highest 1 has ever hit in a match is 52% or some such, and that's with a rather low ping. You're not even a very good player. When it comes to playing ictf you suck at everything except railing people, when it comes to itdm, of course you're rather good, but hey, if I had a bot that could auto-aim and get through cheat-protection I would be too.

Anyway, ask around the insta community, I'm quite sure there are tons of demos from this guy, and, his style has changed dramatically since the 'ol l33t nopbot days =p

-Motivez=RC=
=RC= Forum
#=RC= ETG

poor guy was under the impression that people thought he was good for 3 years? oh man, that's about the funniest shit i've ever heard. bahahaha.

its a real pity if this is true :(

on another note: "When it comes to playing ictf you suck at everything except railing people" oh my f**king god, there's more to instagib than railing? news to me! :D

in ictf there are these minor little details called flags. sometimes its even advantageous to stop railing people for a few seconds and pay attention to them. immortal unfortunately can't quite grasp the concept that flags can be mobile.

hahaha... well kat, I'll have you know, that my team told me to go D and Mid... so I did... and I did it well!

if by mid you mean 'sit on top of flag and never try to help your teammates' then yes, yes you did.

I've hit 72 percent accuracy once with a 150 ping never 75... people over-exaggerate and say I did that consistantly... it was out of like 12 or 13 shots/1 game... I can't do that consistantly... no freakin' way, and who are you to say that I didn't play other mods, cause I did and you go off and say it's a lie?! People have always hated me. I've had my followers and my haters... I think that (if you people have a brain in your skull somwhere) if you think about it, people tend to shun what they do not understand... And me not being in irc? I hate irc, I rarely use it.. I'm on AIM most of the time... and just cause I don't idle in insta channels most of the time doesn't mean I don't go on occasionally.. so, enough of this crap about me lying, etc. You don't know what I've done, you haven't seen what I've seen and you dont have a god damn clue of what you're talking about.. all you have is speculation.. that's all anyone has... I hope everyone reading this realizes that... no one takes me seriously as a railer/player? Well.. I'll have you know, the people that don't take me seriously (most of them anyway) have hated me since 1.17 (or even before) so plz... don't be so hastey to talk smack and call me a bot when all you can do is speculate.. nobody has any real proof that I bot... so what if you have some demo of me shooting 53 percent accuracy... it's possible.. so what if you have a demo of me spawn raping someone on dm17... what it appears like is that you (as well as everyone else) seems to think that it isn't possible to rail this way or you people are just whining (*COUGH MAKAVELI COUGH*)... well, practice makes perfect, eh? I know I'm just gonna get more flame by posting this.. but, this is just my two cents

Nobody reputable has debated that you're not a bot. Only people that have said it's not clear are people that are frankly, not qualified to be able to come to an intelligent conclussion for lack of experience, skill, etc.

Clan Abuse agrees that you're botting, we're in the works of making sure you can never play on any speakeasy servers again as well as jade garden.

truer words have never been spoken.

anyone who actually knows what they are talking about has known that this guy is a cheater for years now.

the ppl who are new to the game are the ones who are having doubts.


illusion
#=RC= etg

that polish instagib player, railed better than this? I am sure if you set up all your settings for the sole purpose of using rail (using fov 90 etc.), you can rail like this.
He does miss some shots, and if you are really in the zone, even I could rail like that :I
that said, who cares if he uses a bot, he is not playing in any tournaments? so just dont play him

werd :|

So that makes, Clan K9, ZeRo4, Clan Abuse, Clan Defiance, Clan Mob, Clan Nova, etc. etc. etc. .... all these people who are established say you cheat.

I suggest you start recording some POV demos of yourself playing DM and posting them while hitting a bind of /ogc_aim 1 ....

Try recording about 5-10 demos of playing DM, not instagib.. and post them if you're so confident you aren't cheating.

wont work, newer versions of ogc allow you to customize the trigger

punkbuster will probably also kick you, seeing as how all the ogc commands are restricted on some servers' pbcl.cfg or something (I think its llarians or spkz seattle that uses this).

And how is it whining when I kick the shit out of you even though you're botting? rofl.

I think that's pretty pathetic on your part....

It's whining, because "OMG HE LG'D ME WHEN HE WAS FLOATING ME WITH ROCKETS" OMG HE HIS SHOTS NOT EVEN THE PROS HIT" Quit Whining

Not whining, just telling you that is completely NOT possible in the game we played. Which is why I banned you shortly after from Jade... forgot to add you to the perm ban list though which is why you were able to come back.

And notice you didn't respond to my challenge of you recording multiple games...... cause once again you can talk all you want, but you know in your heart you're nothing but a cheat =(

i'll get immortal to record some games vs. me tonight or tommorow night for sure (and probably record my POV for reference purposes) --that'll probably only incriminate him more though. If people want those demos posted then I will by all means post them. Also, IK has messaged me about possibly getting immortal to play on a LAN with him, and immortal agrees that they should meet - though they both have work-related time constraints. All for now :/

-JUDE

I'll do it with me typing ogc_aim 1

of course you'd be willing to do that, since you can customize the cvars in newer versions of ogc

k9-random, you're the guy turning into a dick here

speak to the guy for 5 minutes and he'll bring out the worst in you too

Umm, is this Imm fool trying to front like he's actually the original Kurt "Immortal" ?

ROFLMAO.

People, dont you understand? This is exactly what he wants. Hes trying to get attention and he found a way. Drop it.

2nd most debated demo of any game on ESR. Not bad at all :D

Debated? Hardly...

It's just a thread where everyone is saying he's a bot, and the n00bs are saying "It's possible!"

by "most debated" i of course mean the menu at the top of the ESR demo page, smartass.

P.S. When people dont agree on something and argue its called a debate.

yes actually, debate is argument.

I think Molgan is right.

Regarding Imm, I can only say that he needs to get a real girlfriend right now, he'll then forget about botting and lame stuff.
But Imm, please, get one of those real-world chicks, she'll keep you busy for a while. No dummies or irc-lovers please. Thx.

hmm seems strange , either a kickass rail, or autofire :p

uhuh this is autofire\wh

NO QUESTION !

hehe weird demo, some frags where just #$#3$34 jumping around a corner and instanly frags someone. hmm dunno wot to think. if he plays 24/7 instagib this isnt impossible.
but still it looks weird.

lol retard...
maka has said: Clan K9, ZeRo4, Clan Abuse, Clan Defiance, Clan Mob, Clan Nova all agree you bot/cheat in some form or another.

whether or not you really do bot or not is out of the question, thats quite a crew of veteran quakers there that BELIEVE YOU BOT, and UNTIL YOU PROVE YOU DONT, YOU DO.

wow all the west clans :p

q3tourney2 best map ! no railgun... no problem.
if a newbie cheats, gun control and he is owned...
=)

/me waiting a 1v1 Imm vs Makaveli with this map.
=)

I've already kicked the shit out of him on dm6 and t4 with his bot anyways... he sucks so bad its ridiculous.

hehehe ;). GTV GTV! :)))

Thank god I can change IP's anytime I want

punkbuster bans guid , not ip

Then.. I'll just find a way to change that

more cheethax!?!?

Just find other servers to play on, focus your attentions on learning to actually aim and fire, and don't worry about circumventing punkbuster guid bans.

- d|RakE

Way to condem yourself.

like you found a way around aiming for yourself? ;)

haxz0r ch34t0r

Haha pls don't stop! This discussion entertains me evening by evening ... falling of my chair all the time. :D :D :D
More .. ;D

Hahaha !!!! agreed :D

Bind + chair

=)

200 posts for this thread... wd... Maka is the maen... imm is the sad sad little boy...

OK...what maka is saying is not entirely logical.

- He claims it's an autofire bot (as opposed to autoaim) but then talks about how it always gets the same hitbox. Well, this would prove an autoaim bot, not an autofire bot. Unless someone tried to make an autofire bot that only fired when put over a certain point but this wouldn't make sense either, a dedicated cheater would want his aim to look as natural as possible.

Having said all that - WHAT A BLATANT BOT! The giveaway (like someone says) is the way his crosshair passes over the other guy SO MANY TIMES and he fires just as it's passing. He throws in some non-cheating shots, I think, to make it a little more realistic.

Just watch in timescale 0.2 and fov 50 to see the "passing over" effect clearly.

soo much speculation

so if he stopped his mouse dead-center on the middle of the persons hitbox, would you still think he was a bot? Silly comment, this.

"so if he stopped his mouse dead-center on the middle of the persons hitbox, would you still think he was a bot? Silly comment, this."

Yes, your comment is silly :)

Forget "if he stopped his mouse dead-center" - my point is that he isn't stopping his mouse! For example, watch frag 97 in a low timescale and fov. He gets his frag but the crosshair carries on moving after he's shot. This is consistent with an autofire bot which fires automatically as the crosshair passes over the target. You don't get this in other demos - I've just watched the storm demo and this doesn't happen with him at all, he has the crosshair under control.

Having watched the immortal demo in a bit more detail, however, I'll admit that it's not as conclusive as I first thought that immortal is using a bot.

In any case - who cares? It seems people are bothered that some idiot might be getting an ego boost from people thinking he's good. Well, this clearly isn't happening, just read the posts above and you can see that almost nobody thinks he's good and almost everybody thinks he's an idiot.

If he is actually innocent he can easily play at a LAN somewhere and prove himself.

If on the other hand he's guilty, it's sad for online gaming because the cheats are just getting more and more realistic...

He's definetly slick about it, but definetly cheating. Most likely has a toggle button similar to what the zbot did in q2 only I'm sure OGC is much more advanced. (I dont know bots, i dont cheat =) ... however zbot was very easy to use a toggle which is what I am guessing.

Point is, if you're the man, post about 10 demos... I'll even play them against you, and post your POV of every one.

Nothing brings me more joy than exposing a cheater.... we can make this a prime time event.

GTV GTV GTV

:D

rofl, .... yeah! =p
btw, zbot really owned, no autoaiming, pure death =p

heh maybe you should say you dont use ogc, since you clearly knows how zbot or whatever its called works :P

Autofire, saw the demo, read the posts. Very convincing evidence. Ran the demo on slow-motion and the sweeping motion with the crosshairs was what jumped out at me, along with the center hits and the late misses. Pretty lame.

actually Ithink that maka has a poit there.. He already asked imm three times to record 10 demos of him playing maka.. but imm didn't answer back...

Of course he isn't answering back. He knows by playing those games it'll completely expose him cheating. Either A) his rail will back to probably what it would be naturally in DM - 20-30% B) He turns on the hacks, rails 50% everygame in which case he'll get caught. C) Turn it on and off depending on the game, in which case he'll still get caught

But no matter what happens, he's still gonna get his ass kicked, with his bot, by a person who plays once a week.

Maka... see, here's my logic.. how can this possibly redeem myself? It seems like no matter what I'd do, you would still go out and accuse me of botting, but, oh well... I don't see how this would help the situation at all... And, mind you all, instagib on dm17, as other people have said, isn't really proof.

Actually it would prove a lot. Which is why you won't play and you're making the excuses. You are just condemning yourself.

You think I don't know what it's like to be called a bot? Rofl, when immortal (the REAL one) and I first started coming up in Q2, everybody was sure we botted. However, we took that as a challenge and competed in events and proved we weren't by winning stuff.

You on the other hand seem to try and avoid it all, saying that "you'll just call me a bot anyways." My comments are from my EXPERT (yes I am an expert on quake) opinion, and are not biased in any way. I look at your demos objectively and come my own conclussion. If you record all 10 demos FROM YOUR POV and post them for all to see of our DM games, it'll have the ability of removing your status as a cheater. Unless of course you cheat, which we all know you do, which in turn I will say again is why you are avoiding the match.

I'll even get GTV setup so everybody everywhere can watch it.

Fine.. let's do it

Well it's not like you don't know where i am ... irc.enterthegame.com #canine ... I'll even post it in the topic.

I'll even give you a week to get your bot.. oops i mean practice in.

I still dont see how recording demos vs. you proves anything whatsoever. You'll just say "hes a bot" all over again, and 10 demos wont change that. Then you'll say "nobody can hit me that well because im the leetest shit since god invented locomotion. Nobody hits me" and based solely on this opinion, you'll brand him a bot.

The only way to prove he bots (or prove he doesnt) is to LAN with him, where people can see what hes doing exactly, and the files in his q3 dir can be controlled. but hell, i wouldnt mind some imm vs. mak demos :P

In this case i will say imm is guilty until he's proven unguilty. Just play those games vs maka, everyone already think of you as a cheater, so you have nothing to lose.

OMG 236 posts.
How it is possible ?.
=)

After watching the pro-t4 demo, it is clear he cheats, the game was close (because he sucks with strategy and others guns), and he really need to rail everytimes for staying 1st in the game, i suppose it was the case when he had play Z4.
In others demos, sometimes he miss, this is voluntarily...

Nuff said...

What if it turns out this guy isn't a cheat?

73 % when you need to save your life, you are not nerveous ?.

Playing immy Nov. 23rd at 6 PM PST - Maps: pro-q3dm6, pro-q3tourney4, ztn3tourney1, and q3tourney2)


there you have it.

all I have to say is " :DDDD "

I hope they're at least good games, bot or no bot. Props to imm for stepping up, more props to mak for calling him out, and props to me for saying props excessively.

- d|RakE

oh, they'll be terrible games :) As long as you control rail imm's got no real defenses (years of instagib will do that, and so will botting :D).

Im not even going to watch the dm6 and T2 games, i mean cmon!

p.s. play dm17 instagib :P

Props to you.

=) This is exciting! Will you set up GTV like you said?

Btw I didn't know that ogc has autofire capabilities, but I looked it up on the ogc homepage, and it does.

Wouldn't the best way to tell if imm is botting be to go to the OGC forums and ask someone who has experience using Q3 bots to come over here and pass judgement on the imm demos? Surely those who have used bots countless times are the real experts when it comes to recognising cheating.

or have someone use a bot with 100 ping, then post the demo :|

would you believe me if i say it would look exactly like imm's demos posted? i did, it does ^.^

So, you guys been practicing alot now? GL tomorrow! :)

So how did the games end?

Upload the demos!

makaveli is such an idiot, he just cant get it that some ppl play better than he does.
throw a chair and stfu.

You are the idiot.
Imm doesn't play only better than him. He plays better than everybody in the world.

Umm, for those of us that have played at lans and lost it temporarily, there is very little else in this world as intense as a lan 1v1. So, hush.

"Imm doesn't play only better than him. He plays better than everybody in the world." Truer words never spoken. :)

As the maps to be played, you should include instagib DM17.

That is the one map that we ALL KNOW imm is (apparently) very very good on, and in no way should he lose to anyone.

To play him on prodm6 is fine, but doesn't really disprove anything. But to play him on his home turf, which is instagib dm17, will prove or disprove plenty.


THINK ABOUT IT!

GTV + Dj Wheat.... this is what the public wants... WCG bah... K9-Makaveli vs. Imm-bot... Steel Cage, Ladder Match...

Let's solve this like a couple of men... Duel... no /quit's now...

GO MAKA....

Oh god.. will people stfu about bots... you have no solid proof only what people have told you... don't be so hastey to assume I'm one just cause the demo is labled bot.. have you people seen me play in person, NO. Do you people know me? NO! If maka hadn't labled the demo as cheater.. you know most of you people wouldn't be calling me a bot... it's only cause of makas belief that I am labled one. you all know it's true.. stfu until after the match... then you decide. peace

I was just playing up your chances man.... bit more excitment...

Still.. it's not right.. I took the challenge.. I appreciate it though... lay off blatent name calling until after the match.. plz? thankx :) Oh, and maka, if and when you read this... I think people are right.. we should play insta DM17.. I'm almost thinking of making that part of the deal. Get back to me

Playing DM17 Instagib with imm low ping is the only way to solve this.

THEN HE HAS NO EXCUSES!!!!

But still how does playing insta prove anything conclusively? If imm hits 70 percent and wins he's gonna be called a bot, if he hits 70 percent and loses, the same accusation will be levelled at him. If he hits 50 percent it might be said again. The only way which he can get out of this without being labelled a bot is to hit 20-30 percent and then after that he'll be called a no-skill llama who used to always use bots. I really don't see how any game played over the net on any map against any player will conclusively prove anything one way or the other. It's a no-win situation for the accused.

I've been saying that to maka... lol, he says it's not the accuracies.. it's the shots I make.. whatever...

Other challenge :

gtv + (Dj Wheat + Dj Makaveli)

=)

q3dm17 , free for all :

1 xaero, 1 anarki, 1 cheater heu Imm...
Fraglimit 100

=) !

gg Djs for comments.
=)

Btw : i use to play this kind of challenge, so i should stfu.
=)

Holy crap

I read this whole thing in one sitting. I think it's time to put my life into perspective.

But, for the record, "gay"!

Join the club, I also read through several of the comments without even seeing the demo, what does that tell us ... our life owns =p

Is it just me or is this world really screwed up ?????????

although i really wanna see mak vs. imm, i doubt, that it will bring any conclusion. if people aren't sure, if imm uses a bot while railing on dm17 instagib how are people supposed to see it on a dm6 or t4 match? there wont be more chances to see imm railing than on dm17 insta...
some sponsor should arrange a lan meeting with imm and maka, since thats the only way too be 100% sure.
btw: who knows if imm plays the game himself. perhaps he knows a good player (ok, he wont be better than mak, since we know almost every player who can beat mak) who will play for him...
i'm not 100% satisfied with this solution.

yeah what happened to imm going to K9 Lan ... and struting his stuff....

The better thing to do is : topic closed.

=)

NooOOooOOoo...you must continue!

Wtf Maka, fucking stop! You are a has-been.

and you're a never was? ok then.

jesus. I can't believe this went on for this long. All i see is people that know imm in real life that have lanned with him standing up to him. Also people that watched the demo and are kind of iffy about him being a bot that are giving him the benefit of the doubt. Then I see people who are looking at rail % and branding him a bot, 70% rail isn't impossible. Fatal1ty hit 70% in dm17 and he isn't even known for his rail. So accuracy numbers are hardly to judge. Then there are people who are complaining about auto fire due to sweeping hits, it can all be possible with proper practice. Plus there are times when he has the crosshair on the enemy dead center with no fire. I don't think he is turning it on and off because if that was the case he can easily mask it enough to drop his rail accuracy down a tad so no one would get suspicious. Finally, I see Makaveli penis suckers who are pointing bot just because he is saying bot. I thought Makaveli quit q3 like a year ago anyways because it was dead according to himself. It's almost hilarious how lame it is to hear Makaveli explaining how he is l33t and how K9 is so l33t that no one can possibly touch him on 1v1 with rail or lg. If they do then there must be something wrong because he is so l33t. ffs get a clue, no one had even heard of cha0ticz and daler when they suddenly stormed the scene. People get better, are better then you and accept it.

Last thing, these games that will be played will prove squat. If he hits 70 rail or 60 and wins Makaveli is going to cry bot again anyways and bitch about losing. If he hits 70 or 60 and loses then Makaveli will be crying bot again but this time he can add how he is still l33t. If imm loses and fires a low accuracy then there's the oppurtunity to call him a cheater. These are just what 3 demos?? out of how many this guy plays that he has done good. Anyone can fire 50-60 once every so often, if just those demos are looked at then everyone cries about it.

Anyways, long reply.

We've never seen him hit under 40%.

Insanekill is the one to ask as he plays under alias so he doesn't know anybody good is watching. He has stated that he has seen nothing bbut 60's - 70's from him in 1 v 1 DM.

i beat immortal t4 instagib once :)))))) Like 3 months ago, BY 1 FRAG! omg it was leet ;) he hit around 45% that game :|

haha.. he's seen me 2 or 3 games... Jude has seen me hit under 40... so have a few others

if imm wants to prove that he aint using a bot
play some maps on gtv with maka then
action speaks louder than words

See, snap is right though, it'll prolly prove nothing.

It's wrong to claim that only Makaveli or k9 think Imm uses a bot. Please don't forget that quite a few respectable clans, and most important of all, clans from the insta scene, think this immortal guy uses a bot.
It's annoying to see how things are always twisted; at one point the discussion has taken a turn were Immortal hardly knows what to say, because he feels revealed, and 2 pages later the arguing is back where it was.

Many players think he Immortal uses a bot, and they have described their observations clearly.
On the other hand a skilled player like fox was not at all sure about it.

Any player who wants attention and has the skill to be a topplayer goes to lan events. It is very possible that there are a lot of good players that dont care about attention, only want to play for fun and who are not so known because of this. These guys will maybe never care to play tournaments and so on.

This is not the case with this immortal guy; he wants the attention, he wants people telling him that he is good. If not, he wouldn't release his 'l33t' demos on this site. The problem with Immortal is that he never played at a real lan tournament.
There isn't much more to add. --->Guilty :(

I told imm to post some demos of his, to see how many people accuse him of botting. In fact if you check the POV's in the demos you'll see imm hasnt recorded one of these demos himself :/ The alc game was recorded by me, this demo was recorded by random. I wouldnt be so quick to say he's posting demos for the fame :P

The proof will be the demos. A lot is involved with hitting high rail percentages in 1 on 1 DM.

Actually looking at the maps I thought I'd make sure that you'd have ample time to use rail so making the games all on pro-t4 would make it harder to hide...

This must be really important to you Mr. Expert. Have fun.

- ufo

Play me insta dm17

T4 has more angles involved and would catch a bot better.

fine.. insta p-t4

bah, even I can beat immortal insta t4 :D!!! (once) I OWN JOO IMMY!

I want that fight so bad :)
The ideal would be Imm scoring null, mass rail denial should make it.

I luv Maka's PT4 style (and mind you all i'm not gay/sucking penises or such :p)

Having read all the posts,,,and being a former quake2 top player for years in Sweden, and after watching thousands of quake demos my conclusions are:

1) Why focus on Maka so much? His credibility is unimportant in this matter - check the demos for God´s sake. Every top ranked and former elite players understands that Imm is a freud. I suspect that averege players with a normal intellect understands he uses a bot, that becuase every single fact in this "case" points towards it.

2) That Imm is actually here defending him is just sad (I bet he thinks it hilarious)

3) Playing 10 demos against the cheater is just a waste of time - makaveli, u don´t have to prove shit, all ppl that knows quake knows that you are right... (although even I am looking forward to the demos ;)

4) DISCLAIMER (beware of gg-spellings above)

I've warned ppl that this is a hoax enough now to see they don't care but just want Imm down down :)
Seeing the lack of incoming demos nowadays this mak vs bot event can't do no harm :)

Well, after Babbage & Wcg(S)... the match Makaveli vs Imm is going to be for me a real event if it took place.

I am really a good chess player, and i see that like the rematch Kasparov - Deeper Blue, or Kramnik - DeepFritz !.

I don't think this is going to take place, but if it does, everybody in the world who loves Quake III is going to follow/watch that.

If an admin here at esreality could make a polls/vote i think it will be interesting to make that :

Do you think Imm is a cheater ?

1/ Yes no doubt
2/ Hmmm dunno
3/ No he doesn't cheat...

303 posts...thats gotta be some kind of record?

Far from it my furry friend=E

I think unKind aimbot at this end :

http://cyberfight.ru/site/demos/5651/

OMG ! Imm looks noobs in comparaison.

lol

The problem for you, is :

unKind is elite in all Q3 things (aim, strategy) etc...
So yes, this is amazing the end of this demo, but no doubt is really possible.

Why isn't the game just played on dm17 instagib? Other levels are a joke really, like pro-t4, maka can just run the railgun? shotgun too.

Definitely play it on dm17, I don't like the level, but it would prove alot more.

I think they don't want to play now...
: (

I think they're playing pro-t4 instagib. There are no weapons to run.

d|RakE

its instagib P-T4 as far as i know. Makaveli could easily run the railgun if it were vq3, but wheres the point? Mak's trying to expose imm as a bot, so denying him rail wouldnt make much sense would it? :/

This is too funny. Nice 300+ posts
I think it's time for everyone to stop, take a deep breath and look around..some ppl choose to cheat -- nothing we can do about it. As lame as it may be, These cheaters somehow (??) get satisfaction out of winning by their hacks.

How many cheaters actually admit that they do it though?
Pretty sad route to take if you ask me.
How can you feel good about winning a game or fragging someone ---------- When your game is on autopilot doing it for you??

I don't like to point fingers..I don't know if this guy is cheating or what..
But to all the cheaters out there, _GET_A_LIFE_, plz

Let's keep the gaming commmunity legit and fun mkay :o

It's bot... I see it..

if not.. imm...

why don't you come out to pro-world and

beat z4?

definatly a cheat, ok heres my 50cent

Its Autofire.

The crosshair doesnt have to be over an exact part of the nme for the bot to fire. It fires when its over the nme, doesnt matter where.

that's the point everyone defending him is making, it can't be autofire cuz it DOES hit the SAME spot everytime.

tom aint it 2 cents? :)

Nah we're in UK so it's 2 pennies.

so who won the match? or did it even take place? if it did post some demos plz

I bet it didn't take place...

did the damn match take place or what???

Yea probably not.... What happened to the damn match guys ??? Pick another date or something and actually do it this time..

/me is too sad if the match isn't played :(
maka, pleeeeeeeease :)

Not played yet?

Now its getting really lame, not a single statement from maka or imm why the games apparently didnt happen.

But beforehand posting comments several times a day with always the content... bla...

FUCKING WEAK.... :(

This kurt-shimada-"immortal"-wannabie havent been to any LAN's by any chance?

Still waiting for them demos to be posted!

immortal-makaveli matches werent played. Imm couldnt get a hold of makaveli on friday, and then i dunno wtf happened on saturday but bleh.

Anyways, i think hes gonna post some more demos anyway, although they wont be against makaveli just yet :/

Whoever this anonymous guy is, he's right. I did try to get ahold of maka on #canine on ETG on Thurs. and Fri. to postpone the date of the match til Monday (cause I would be out of town for the weekend), but to no avail... as soon as I joined #canine I just wrote: "Is maka here? No? Then tell him to msg me when he gets this." he never msg'd me, then, shortly after, I was banned from #canine (lol, figures)... so, the match never did happen, but, I am in the midsts of making more demos for you people... until then... Peace!

-imm

Fucking weak, we want to see some real action between mak and you.

BTW, both of you are looking like idiots now...

you were in the process until you were banned from all speakeasy servers in north america, when punkbust detected ogc on your computer you clown. Apparently the server admin said you'd been detected by punkbuster several times before the ban system had been implemented. So there, he was cheating, pb updated itself and caught the filthy animal. Now you can read back on his posts and laugh as he assures his innocence.

why is this topic still alive? lol.

there is no need for more demos. there is no need for him to play maka. watching the demo posted to esr and the other demo linked mid-thread is enough for any sensible q3er.

illusion
#=rc=

yes but it'd be so fun ^.^

why?, he cant prove shit anyway...

i watched the demo, it's a bot, no doubt about it...

i'll bet the new demos will show nothing less then the same shit and then we can post 400post all over again!!!111111 :)

Playing a game over the net won't prove anything.. the only way I see it is to play on LAN in some LAN center.

Hmm..... I'd have to say after playing countless hours with imm.... he doesn't bot!

Want proof? Haven't got any! I just know he doesn't..

But then again, who am I...........

sigh

hm guys railing like this can be done.... i mean after i dont know 4-5 times playing instagib on dm17 vs a bot i was able to shoot 2-3 times in the same second as he spawns.. if you play longer (and if you are talented) you can get this to perfectness... im not familiar with the whole immortal-is-a-cheater thing, but by this demo i can't say he is cheating... and doing 70%+ railing isnt impossible at all... fatality did 80+... zero4 too.. ~~

the link to the other demo on page what-was-it doesn't work :\

imm = confirmed cheater

http://pb.speakeasy.net/pbbans.dat

4th one down is him :

[12.03.2002 00:00:00] f24adeb28658af0e3a3ab881f8508f7d "???" "???" One Week Ban - Game Hook Used Once

http://pb.speakeasy.net/search.pb

search for the last 8 letters/numbers ( f8508f7d )

Player Name Times Used Last Used
got Railed? 6 12/3/2002
All*RaiL 5 11/26/2002
UnnamedPlayer 3 11/26/2002
precision 2 12/4/2002
imm 2 11/26/2002
Prec1s1on 1 12/3/2002
4v4! 1 11/24/2002

lol

kaede just informed me of this.. holy shit.

PB: 1, CHEETHAXLLAMA: 0

- RakE

All*RaiL is this guy??? I played with that cocksucker on SFO and he hit a 68 rail like it wa snothing. Good to see he is a cheatin gpiece of shit.

ROFL fucking owned

now just

SIT

THE

FUCK

DOWN!!

muahhahahahahha

AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

bump :x

shame :)

Sure looks suspicious...and why does this "imm" respond with "doesnt prove a thing!", like some baby caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

n1 ;)
i think it's funny too, that #397 "catch22" created his account two weeks ago, "confirms" that imm is not a cheater... :P

but on the other hand: he made it possible that people speak quite a lot about him. sad thing :/

get a new name bitch. you aren't worthy/

#400!

hi

new page :>

i hate you

>:

lol

ahahha

fuckin 400 comments

i hack word.

imm used to live with me. he stole from me a few weeks ago. he cheats at magic: the gathering. i kicked him out of my house. it wouldn't surprise me if he cheats on q3 as well.

.TP

wtf lol?

loooooooooooooooooooool =)))))

lol

a little late aren't ya? =)

I think imm was proven to be a cheat when he got banned by pb on speakeasy server anyways, a LONG time ago.

Actually, he was banned prematurely... before he had a chance to play Makaveli and prove himself.
-i

i like cheaters

flame thread old school style!

necro'd out of boredom

Latrommi bustedz!