don't like it don't use it

i like it and use it. Still it's an unfair advantage towards a certain style of aiming\playing.

I don't think it's unfair because everyone can use tankjr as enemy model.

But maybe it can't help your skillset as much as it does for anotherone.

Ok then let's say it's a model that affects the gameplay as it shouldn't since it lets you see loads of pixels of your enemy you shouldn't (and you can't hit coz they aren't a part of the hitbox)

this!

and lol for thinking it's unfair

there are so many other stuff that are way more unbalanced than tankjr enemy model

use orb for basically wallhax

srsly? Orb has 1000 downsides, tankjr has basically none in comparison.

i tried tankjr for 2 mounths , its so hard to hit rails compared to keel. but better for rockets/LG i feel

the point is that it exceedes the hitbox. So around corners it helps because you see your enemy before you should.

Such a difference would be nothing in a game like quake.
It would only be an issue if the game play was slowed down by ten and the opponent was already zoomed in on the corner.

I.E. a lab environment, which quake is not.

actually with lodbias -2 its like exactly the hotbox, isn't it?

lodbias +2

I like it when you hit the model, you actually hit the hitbox. And yea, the hitboxes are obviously the same size, just the tankjr model is sometimes a bit larger than the hitbox.

For me are rails easier to hit on tankjr. LG is much harder. You think you hit, but you dont. I have everything set to tankjr except LG. LG is set on keel. Believe or not, I hit 10% acc more with lg on keel. However, I have extreme hi sens and fov120. Maybe that is the reason:)

same here
that's why I use keel for rail and tankjr for the other weapons.

are you retarded?

haha wanted to type that as soon as i read the topic

The hitbox is the same size

whats the point ?

if you can see your opponents b4 the hitbox comes out you can still start to line up the shot earlier than you really shoud be able to

meh.

This all depends of the rest of the config ..

thats wrong reasoning imo.

as someone noticed, anyone can use tankjr. if you want to see your enemy model earlier, use it too. its not zoom ffs, so its not cheating

zoomnudge + tankjr = infinite ELO

ELO=life

uninstall life plz

ur usually pretty normal with ur posts
but this is retarded
anyone can use tankjr and the sounds are a big disadvantage

cry more feget )))))))))

tankjr doesn't give you any advantage actually

sure you can see the model like 2 or 3 microseconds before the hitbox appears but sometimes you see the brightskinned arm of the model so your tempted to shoot but still you miss the hitbox

keel is actually a way more accurate representation of the hitboxes and doesn't make you miss as much as tank

let's say you use tankjr, the enemy is behind a pillar, doing micro dodges left right left right left right, you got the rail, you see the arm of the model and then bam, you shoot a rail. But too bad for you it's actually counted as a miss, cause you didn't aim right at the hitbox.
this kind of situation never happens with keel.

what are you talking about, i miss every rail with keel

and tankjr

gg win

ouch gg

Strange. The post date says 2014, not 1999.

Sarges. Green sarges evrywhur

no brightskins in vanilla though, had to be pedantic. :)

Was thinking osp/ra3 times.

Pedantry is welcome, here =)

thought u mean vq3 cg_forcemodel 1 :)

Looking forward to see a thread like this in 2029

If something is extremely overpowered then everybody would use it. Since not even half of the players use it, we can assume it isn't overpowered.

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Yes. Because only a small proportion of users have access to TankJr. Thanks General Logic. Not that I want to defend his argument (I don't care).

where u at nigga i be usin dem kamikaze itemz allll dayz bro

Yes, this is not taking thing out of context. Comparing the use of nuclear weapons and using tankjr in QL makes complete sense.

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When i use Tankjr i hit 0% more lg but when i use keel i miss 0% more rail. How about that for statistics?

You assume everybody knows that it's Overpoewerd. But do they? Do they????

Totally right! Ban crosshair too cause it's not like you go around on the street with a cross in front of you that's always pointing to where you shoot and always hit there that's just stupid. I don't use crosshair and everyone that does is gay and noob and cheater and should die of testicular cancer.

crosshair 0

I heard crosshairs kinda aims for you

If DJ Amanda says so..

..it's Official!

Truth!

*retardeder

tankjr pros:

-see enemys who think they are hidden completly behind pillars
-the model is taller than keel, which let you see the hitable head in some occasions, which you wouldn't with keel
-see the enemy popping out a little bit earlier
-fitting the hitbox pretty well with r_lodbias 2 anyways

cons:

-sounds
-a small place on the model which is outside of the hitbox

pros:
sounds
sounds
sounds
sounds
sounds

it screws you up during melee close range lg fights.I notice that in those situations, when i am bumping into the guy and we both have lg out , i tend to aim at the non hitboxed portions of the models sometimes, thus losing some deeps. Anyways, I remember Guard saying that tankjr is more for lg aiming, since we are not supposed to flick around our mouse that much, we should keep it steady. And tankjr does just that, since the model is bigger, it dodges slower (i mean it moves less). Anyways, it still is a matter of preference, usually when I get bored with keel or vice versa i just switch.

what's the point? if anyone can use it, it's fair then?

quake goes too placebo on the players cos of the unlimited combination of settings, but focus on the gameplay rather, some tweaks are good but that's about it

Is this thread even to be taken seriously? I ean, it simply feels like a parody of the "ban zoom" thread.

zoomer detected

Tankjr:

Av3k
Cypher(*old config)

Keel:

Rapha
Stermy
Toxjq
Winz
K1llsen
Dahang
Cooller

evil,strenx=tankjr

I just looked though a couple of configs and wrote what i could find. Maybe i should have mentioned that.

av3k is not using tankjr for a long time.

edit:
and cypher is actually playing on tankjr

According to cyphers twitch channel he uses keel.

Channel: http://www.twitch.tv/cypheronline/profile

Config from said channel: alturl.com/copnv

seta enemy_model "keel/pm"

Not sure if he updated it there.
The last one was from the DreamHack I think

And he has this big black corsshair + tankjr

It's cg_forceenemymodel and he's using tank if you check the lateest vods

Seta enemy_model is what it said in his config. I just copied what it said there.

But still, it seems like most players use keel as enemy model.

dude what h8m3 is saying the cvar in qlive
is cg_forceenemymodel tankjr/bright
seta enemy_model "keel/pm is promode so yeah

I never said that h8m3 was wrong. I just said that i copied it from his twich profile. Cypher seems to change his config a lot so saying what he uses right now is difficult.

dude im not trying to argue or to be offensive but do you even read what i wrote seta enemy_model "keel/pm" is a promode command
it does not work in quakelive
when you watch cyphers stream he uses tankjr
if you search in his config its cg_forceenemymodel tankjr/bright
that was my whole point
i dont really care what he uses either

I am not trying to argue either, maybe it just seems like i am. Also it's funny how you say that you don't really care about which model he uses, that's what i was trying to prove from the start. It doesn't really matter what enemy model you use. :)

oh get a room at Orbb Motel you two

worse seta enemy_model doesn't even work in promode :D

k1llsen used to play with tankjr. I have tried many av3k and cypher cfgs and never seen tankjr as enemymodel. Strenx, evil, k1llsen were using it as far as I tested cfgs.

In skilleys ql cfg collection v2.0 av3ks config says: seta cg_enemyModel "tankjr/bright".

That's the only av3k config that i have. That one was last modified 2010 so it's an old config.

I have both cfgs (av3k and cypher) from dh2013 and av3k was using keel and cypher tankjr.

I thought that the configs that i was looking at were from 2012 and that they wouldn't have changed but apparently they are from 2010. It also seems like they change enemy models from time to time.

The point that i was trying to make from the beginning was that it doesn't matter what enemy model you use.

k1llsen never used tankjr. He was always using keel and still do so. I don't know what cfg you tried but it surely was not k1llsens

Or even in a fun environt
even in a fun environt
in a fun environt
a fun environt
fun environt
environt

You dissapointment me, qwih

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Keel hitbox
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1781/keelall.jpg

TankJR hitbox
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/2039/tankjrall.jpg

/thread

I cant take people seriously, who say keel is a better representation of the hitbox.

Finally someone actually posts the hitboxes...

BAN THIS SICK FILTH

Hitboxes are round nowadays, so those screenshots and comparisons are not correct anymore.

Also when doing that consider the effect of lodbias. That means taking two shots of keel and two of tankjr (lucy and orb too). Of course it'd be better if there's a video of how the hitboxes are in relation to those models when moving and jumping.

Correct, you can now call them "hitcylinders" if you really want to.

does that show the hitbox increase some years ago?

please exlpain the green and blue cone

Green is the collision-box, it's still a cuboid and it's still the same size it was originally before the initial hitbox change.

i dont get it.
so blue is for splash dmg then?
if thats the case, wouldnt it make more sense the other way around?!
confused totally i am.

Movement, sticking to walls, walking on surfaces.
The collision-box is the box that governs how the model interacts with the map.

afaik
green is the old cuboid hitbox, which was dependent on the compass direction on the map.

Blue is the new QL hitbox, cylindrical, so independent of compass direction on the map.

obviously both are cylinders so your guess is wrong, I guess.

Both are not cylindrical. If you look at the ground you can see that the blue one is cylindrical because it is rounded while the green one is in one line because it is a square.

Look at the bottom and you will see it.

you are perfectly right. I looked at the blue one and was like "that is not a box" whereas I should've looked at the green one =)

so you repeated rauvz?

Yes. I had no idea that there were two different shapes for collision and hit detection.

Yes it is, and the hitbox and collision-box were both identical back in the beta.

Sorry but that can't be true. If it were, you could find situations where merely turning would let you drop from ledges, but that's not the case.

That's what I remember from when they changed the hitboxes, I could be wrong though.

Can someone do this for Orbb?

Hitboxes are round nowadays, so those screenshots and comparisons are not correct anymore.

They are cylinders and a cylinder seen from the side like that looks like a rectangle.

MIND BLOWN

According to the screenshots above from anhe the current hitbox is considerably smaller than gangland's anyway.

using Orbb as player model on stream is same hax.

i wonder if there was an option to just use a unicolor box that is 1:1 the hitbox - would people use that.

I would. If it looked and sounded like Tankjr.

It would be really difficult to see where your opponent is looking.

Lodbias 0/2/both:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7431/keeltrittico.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2989/tankjrtrittico.jpg

Source:

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...nd-Models-(Keel-Tankjr)-don-t-miss-it/page7

Keels performance gets even worse when you look from the side

Edit: ok sbdy already postedthis

Yes and according to teen queen it is wrong: http://www.esreality.com/post/2583338/n-a/#pid2583221

Maybe not "wrong" but not up to date.

yep. not up to date. but still tankjr is a lot better fit than keel.

why don't you cry about it.

This video is basically the reason I use Tankjr.

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czm at 2:56 wtf how aim like that

Very weird binds. Using accel and not accel with binds. Also m_pitch "-0.014"

best ever

Is there a way (command) to render the hitbox in-game? In devmap ofc.

For me tank sux, Its so hard to shaft him ( for me ) .. I think its easier to rail,but shaft is 10acc lower vs keel..

it just needs some time to get used to tankjr.

config settings make you better

tankjr sux.

keel lodbias -2 playerlean 0 FTW!

tankjr is going way out of the hitbox when using playerlean 1

What next, remove Orbb?

BTW.

Just a quick technical note. Yes hitboxes are the same. Yes Tankjr sometimes "pops" out of the hitbox a little.
BUT
Being a broad model he gives a *feeling* of a bigger target. You will see him earlier while going round the corner, he will be better visible from a distance. For some people it is an advantage they can't skip on.

For some people, it's exactly otherwise. It's their win.
Having played with brightskin keels since q3 I switched to brightskin tankjr as I was tired of Keel's zoophiliac porno grunts. I don't regret it. But I know ppl who played with forced Tankjr in q3 and switched to Keel because it suits them more.

To each his own, but...

But come on, remove Tankjr? Remove everything that some dude or dudes doesn't want?
Maybe remove all models this way it will be an instant win?
Or remove QuakeLive? So there will be no more complaining.

" Still it's an unfair advantage towards a certain style of aiming\playing. "

Its up to the player who they choose as enemy model...So if they want to play with an ''disadvantage'' they can....

I personally use keel.